My Thoughts on Star Trek: Generations

[@tuhkathri9126]

I always found it odd that Kirk's nexus fantasy wasn't commanding the Enterprise since that's clearly what he wanted most in the world. Instead he is chopping wood.

[@olegzaitzev3934]

I think it was more to display his regret, rather than his actually "wants". Just my opinion though.

[@silverjohn6037]

It definitely seems against character. It might have been the limitations in bringing in the old cast as I don't think Kirk would have considered it "his bridge" without "his crew".

[@olegzaitzev3934]

@@silverjohn6037 That actually makes sense. I never thought about it that way.

[@bigtomboye]

Bingo This movie is made for retreads

[@plugsocket9432]

Kirk regretted not having a wife and lots of children. Commanding a Starship comes to an end with retirement meanwhile a wife and children can last a lifetime and to continue on your family tree and genes.

[@michaelvandeginste3497]

Killing Kirk onscreen was the first mistake. Having him do so in a situation less perilous than other things he'd already been through was another. Having Picard bury him on a remote planet was another. The final insult was not showing Picard tell anyone about meeting him.

[@bigtomboye]

Yep this movie stank to H🔥ll

[@mikavirtanen7029]

At least Kirk didn't punch out as synthetic simp like his Gallic chrome dome successor.

[@Zontar82]

the alternate ending where he survives is the real one for me

[@miller-joel]

His first "death" was decent enough. He dies a hero. Which makes his second death even weaker and crappier by comparison.

[@bigtomboye]

@@miller-joel wow, gr8 point there, yes

[@dr.medieval1131]

The woman we see waiting for Kirk on horseback should have been Edith Keeler (Joan Collins) from the episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". She was one of the few women Kirk truly loved, and getting a chance to spend an eternity with her would be far more difficult for him to leave. I can picture her telling Kirk he must go. "Be the Captain, the hero, I know you are and meant to be." There wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.

[@bigtomboye]

That wud have helped improve this inferior trash crap "movie"

[@jerryc5743]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@SumDumGy]

I think it would have been more touching if it had been Carol.

[@bumblebee9337]

Why not Reyna?

[@bigtomboye]

@@SumDumGy Damn you win, Dr Marcus it is, yes

[@jamied1579]

Fun fact - the house Picard finds Kirk in - and the horse barn and fields where they ride the horses all belonged to William Shatner at the time. Johnathon Frakes was wearing Avery Brook's uniform (Capt Sisko DS9)

[@morganmosley5136]

I remember seeing this in theaters as a kid. I was blown away because I was such a big fan of TNG. I've always had a soft spot for Generations.

[@sdfried4877]

Under the rules of the Nexus, you can say Soran both won and lost. He made it to the Nexus so despite Picard stopping him on the replay, some version of him did get a happy ending. The worst part was Picard’s snap judgment of I know exactly where and when I want to go. He could have gone back to the Enterprise a few days earlier and arrested Soran before he destroyed the Amigosa Star and Kirk could have magically appeared in the captain’s chair on the bridge on the Enterprise B. Essentially, the entire movie wouldn’t have happened.

[@bumblebee9337]

This gets my vote.

[@ianoz1]

Yup... said this myself 29 years ago in a review I wrote. So did a lot of others at the time. If Picard had gone back a week, he could have saved Robert & Rene from the fire, then dealt with the Duras Sisters & Soran pre-emptively. No movie. But I do like your ending... that way Moore's own canon (from Relics) would have remained intact.

[@more-reasons6655]

This is thee problem of the film makers wanting the movie to both have stakes and a reset button, someone is going to come out looking like an idiot

[@erniebignose]

I thought Picard realized that what was in the Nexus wasn't real? This movie is so confusing. I like it but the Nexus idea doesn't make sense

[@sdfried4877]

@@more-reasons6655 All they had to do was somehow write it so that you couldn’t come out at any time. By saying anytime they made Picard’s decision seem not particularly we’ll contemplated.

[@brettcooper3893]

Say what you will about Generations, for all its flaws (and it has many), it was one of the most beautifully filmed of all the Trek films. To this day, it is GORGEOUS to watch, so vibrant. A master class in lighting and set design.

[@miller-joel]

Real fans are there for the story and the characters, not the eye candy. And the story here was horrible, and the characters were out of character.

[@brettcooper3893]

@@miller-joel I apologize for not meeting your "real fan" criteria.

[@brettcooper3893]

@@miller-joel I apologize for not meeting your "real fan" criteria.

[@miller-joel]

@@brettcooper3893 Apology not accepted.

[@brettcooper3893]

@@miller-joel u black?

[@MisterPuck]

I think the sense of urgency within the Nexus could be resolved pretty easily. As you say, Kirk and Picard could spend a thousand years there experiencing everything they wanted before tackling the issue with Soran. So, all they needed to do was add a line explaining that, the longer you spend in the Nexus, the harder it is to recognize that you’re in it? Guinan does actually warn Picard before that if he goes into the Nexus, he won’t care about anything outside of it, he’ll just want to stay there. This line is what I think was supposed to give urgency for Picard to leave, but on its own it’s pretty weak. Or, they could have had the Nexus have an impact on memory over time. The longer you’re there, the more you forget about things that cause you pain and anxiety, so that Picard knows that if he doesn’t leave quick enough, he’ll forget what it is he needs to do. Also, I think the reason Picard saw explosions in the ornaments wasn’t due to the Nexus, but his own willpower and determination to due his duty regardless of the sacrifices he would have to endure himself in order to fulfill it.

[@guilhermehank4938]

It would be a small call back to star trek 5's "i need my pain" scene, surprisingly

[@FalkFlak]

I think the decision they made to leave the nexus besides having All the pros and none of the cons makes it even more impactful. It shows that Kirk and Picard are highly morally people.

[@xaviermontalban717]

I always assumed this was exactly why they were in a hurry to leave

[@danjohnson887]

Very good insight. I felt that way too: the longer you stay/ the harder it is to leave either psychologically, loss of memory, etc.

[@atomicninjaduck9200]

My problem is that Picard recognizes he's in The Nexus far too easily. There should've been some actual conflict with him trying to figure it out. Maybe some kind of psychological drama.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

Star Trek sure had a great run between 1979 and 1998 when it came to movies. While not the best of these, I still find Generations always fun to watch every now and then. I consider it the 2nd best after First Contact of the TNG movies.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

This...👆

[@bigtomboye]

All the TNG movies are awful and stupid

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

It was okay at the time. Nowadays the movies end with ST6 for me. And not just because of Patrick Stewarts woke antics with Pukehard ruining TNG for me. I find that the TNG hold up very poorly with time. I never bothered to watch Nemesis, it sounded beyond stupid at the time, IX was meh and I had no desire to ever see it again even before Pukehard. First Contact was a dumb action flick and the introduction of the Borg Queen did immense damage to the concept of the Borg. And Generations k1lled off Kirk in the dumbest way possible. And for all the TNG movies Stewart's desire to be Kung Fu action grip Picard showed that he had no understanding whatsoever of his own character. In contrast the TOS movies have aged very well. Even ST1 and 5. Although 4 might look a little dated taking place in the 80's.

[@bigtomboye]

​@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623thank you!, finally someone with taste, shocked to see how many lap this awfulness up

[@unbrokn001]

​@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 I watched tng and ds9 when they originally aired, and loved both. Having said that, I was never a fan of the tng movies, even first contact. They always felt like they leaned to heavily into action movies and they always failed at being more than adequate at that. For me the best trek movies will always be the original movies and the best of those imo will all always be the Undiscovered Country.

[@kwameryan]

I love Generations, if only for its GORGEOUS soundtrack. It’s a mystery to me why they replaced him with Goldsmith afterwards. Even if the death of Kirk itself is underwhelming, the moment is carried by one of the most incredible pieces of underscore which superimposes the OG and next generation themes on one another. Fracking genius…😊 Thanks for doing this video and recognising McCarthy in it!

[@baahcusegamer4530]

I actually enjoyed it well enough to watch it several times over the years. It had many flaws and was more of another episode than movie. It has a lot of fine, memorable moments. And a great soundtrack!

[@derekmcmanus8615]

This...👆

[@daveandemilee]

I watched it several times times when I was a kid. Not because it was good. Just because it was the only TNG movie I owned as a kid…

[@bigtomboye]

It's irredeemable garbage

[@bigtomboye]

​@@daveandemileeThat's clear child abuse, im very sorry 🙏

[@sseltrek1a2b]

it's a much more solid movie than most of anything that has been out for the past several years...

[@BELCAN57]

In Star Trek V Kirk said that he knew that he would "die alone". Apparently the writers didn't see that movie.

[@Firefly12569]

he was alone though.... as his friends weren't there

[@MikeAMyers]

What always bothered me was, if they could travel to any time, why did they travel to right before the middle launches when they could have jumped to a few days prior when Soran was still on the D and stopped him before destroying the first star.

[@Revkor]

bewcause the D qwoild not be dead. rember the stuipid had made demands

[@r0bw00d]

You've obviously never watched TNG or DS9. The answer is that Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.

[@Revkor]

@@r0bw00d but gambling on failing.

[@r0bw00d]

@@RevkorIf that's a complete thought, then it's gone right over my head.

[@quantumskywalker6888]

@@r0bw00d Why didn't Soran take another ship to the Nexus, instead of blowing up a star?

[@carlbieler9039]

KIRK DESERVED BETTER! He is an iconic and heroic character.

[@alfinpogform4774]

The Kirk that came out of the Nexus and was killed...was a copy. The original Kirk is still in the Nexus. At least that's what I've told myself over the years since the film came out.

[@WPSent]

One other point: Picard ignored Kirk's advice. Kirk told him to never leave the bridge of a Starship. "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do *anything* that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference." Then in the Picard series he was promoted and transferred.

[@LillyLou]

I think that was Kirk’s best line in the entire film. It’s definitely the one I remember the best. It really spoke of a man who lived and breathed the life on the Bridge.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Originally DeForest Kelly was supposed to be in place of Chekov.

[@Inquisitor6321]

Insurrection and Nemesis were a waste of money. Generations is still a good movie despite its plot holes. Picard and Kirk in the Nexus together is still one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek. Kirk: What's this planet? Varidian III? I take it the odds are against us and the situation is grim. Picard: You might say that. Kirk: Who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise? If Spock were here he'd say I'm an emotional and illogical man for taking on a mission like that. "Sounds like fun." (Paraphrased of course.)

[@rodneypayne4827]

Ashes Of Eden by William Shatner.This companion novel needs to be read to understand what happens in the Movie,it makes sense when you read this.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Anybody interested in the struggles associated with writing a 'Star Trek' screenplay that satisfies all Studio demands, while also addressing personal concerns of all the lead actors needs to read 'FADE IN', a book by Michael Piller that details the production difficulties with 'Insurrection'. For instance, they were concerned about even using the entire 'fountain of youth' concept, for fear that Patrick Stewart would feel it suggested that he/Picard seemed 'OLD'...

[@HerrEllsworth]

Basically I agree it was essentially a "big-budget" TNG ep and an especially mediocre one at that. The pace was uneven because, as stated, there was little to drive the plot. However, I felt the whole Data subplot was annoying to cringing with only one really funny moment and that was when Beverly was shoved overboard. I did get one unintentional laugh out of the film and that was the crash-landing bit. I still chuckle when Riker yells "hang-on" and the saucer section plows into the topsoil. The reason being is that that saucer-section must have been coming in at what...mach 40? By the time that saucer section stops sliding and thudding, Riker and crew are just red smears on the nearest bulkhead. I know we're supposed to suspend belief but that scene does it for me every time. Also, the bit with the Nexus is a weak plot device. At the climax of the film, Picard and Kirk just "wish" themselves back to Veridian 3 but if that's the case, isn't this another Nexus "illusion"? The whole "Kirk killed" scene is a let-down and frankly, Kirk was too iconic a character to die that way. It would have been better if Kirk disappeared back into the Nexus toward an uncertain fate. Like Conan the Barbarian in literary form, we never see the character die but just pass into legend. That should have the same way for Jim Kirk.

[@aurigo_tech]

I really like Generations. The Enterprise B was gorgeous, Soran a really compelling villain with an actual understandable goal and Macdowell playing him perfectly. Really there is only some minor details that annoyed me, like the reused explosion of the Klingon ship and the misfitting uniforms.

[@Pocket_Fox]

Yeah, it's like every bird of prey explodes the EXACT same way, lol. I also really like Generations. I like it as much as First Contact, if I'm honest.

[@jeremiahdansereau2950]

So if you could leave the Nexus at Any Time and Place you want, Why didnt Kirk and Picard go back a little farther in time to before they picked up Soran in first place, Instead of the last possible second where the Planet is about to explode.

[@saladinbob]

The premise behind Trilithium always bothered me because it contradicted the plot of Captain's Holiday. Also you've either misunderstood or misremembered how Guinan is talking to Picard. It's stated elsewhere that the Nexus intersects all places at all times which is why Picard is able to travel back in time and Kirk forward. The Guinan we're seeing is Guinan while trapped in the Nexus, prior to the Ent B rescuing her.

[@terrylandess6072]

I often felt the Guinan character was open ended purposely. She just seemed to be connected to other IP aspects too conveniently when convenient. The mystery surrounding her became stretched.

[@atomicninjaduck9200]

I'll buy that the Nexus intersects Certain places at Certain times, but all? Why would it be seen physically traveling through space, then? And at slower-than-light speeds? I'd say you can go to any place that the Nexus intersects at any time, but not anywhere. This is why Picard couldn't go to Ten Forward and arrest Soran immediately, like many claim; it never intersected the Enterprise...

[@Dinosreviews]

I enjoy the interactions. Especially when Soren quotes Delmore Schwartz to Picard. But I hate the time travel plot. It makes no sense. Picard could have easily traveled back to a time where he could of easily stopped Soren without the help of Kirk.

[@CaptRobertApril]

I wrote up an alternate ending for Generations a long time ago. Kirk goes back to the Enterprise-B and has Soran rig up the deflector dish, so *he* gets sucked into the Nexus. Meanwhile, Picard warns Robert about the faulty heating unit, saing them. They also rethink the whole promotion thing on the holodeck, thus heading off Data's experience with the emotion chip. Would've been a lot cheaper to reshoot.

[@padrecocinero7700]

I still theorize that Picard never left the Nexus Ribbon. All that took place from that point on was Picard's "heaven", a life filled with challenges to overcome and give meaning.

[@kylekullin2520]

Do you think I will go to Heaven?

[@jasperswarp]

When I saw the film when it came out, that was my thinking too. Every thing in the nexus can be argued as being part of Picards fantasy, nexus Guinan never met Picard, yet she knows him, her saying that he can time travel is basically a fantasy created by Picards mind, the time travel ending is only possible inside the nexus, or it would create a time travel paradox the writers ignored, or weren’t smart enough to fix.

[@thekraken1909]

Sheer fucking hubris.

[@clintmatthews3500]

That would be his true fantasy. Having a family is a desire sure, but ultimately he’s an explorer and adventurer. The family can be there for him to return to between adventures, but he’ll always have an excuse to be whisked away.

[@the-quintessenz]

The Burn limited to the nexus... I like that.

[@coulsonintahiti]

I think the plot needs a bit of work when your character decides to blow up star systems instead of fly a shuttle into the nexus. That being said, it's kinda decent compared to modern Trek. I'm just imagining Q could have been a cool way to bring them together, maybe Soren and Q could be having a kind of gods-level chess game.

[@edelcorrallira]

Q could have been the plot device... To him time has no meaning

[@coulsonintahiti]

@@edelcorrallira and it could have been a great way to put every Enterprise on screen at once without feeling TOO fanservicey if Q chose to play the Starfleet Deck or something. The enemies could have been various Klingon, Romulan, or even Gorn factions, or even a Doomsday machine . . . the possibilities were literally endless

[@edelcorrallira]

@@coulsonintahiti maybe even the makers of the doomsday machine otself

[@coulsonintahiti]

@@edelcorrallira that would be interesting. They'd probably attribute it to the Iconians like everything else :)

[@coecludd]

Generations has a very special place for me. After the TNG finale the actors literally got on with this movie. It has flaws, but I'm still a big fan of this film.

[@preshutchins]

I remember seeing that movie in theaters. and for me and the rest of the audience that watched it with me thought that movie just ...stunk 🤧🤧up the joint That was the most anticlimactic death of an iconic figure I've ever seen in movie Cinema 🙄🙄😞😞😞😞

[@teamrocketjoe1621]

As disappointing as it is to see my hero fall, at least Captain Kirk went out fighting

[@DinnerBells]

I’ll never forget that line from the Plinkett review: “I have the body of James Kirk here. You should beam him up too, so we can give him a proper burial. Instead, he’s buried above ground under a pile of rocks. It’s only a matter of time, before the animals get him…” 😭

[@liveliestawfulness]

There's a thing coming at us! There's a thing coming at us!

[@JP-eu2dc]

Lmaoooo

[@atomicninjaduck9200]

Of course, that's assuming that it's the actual body of Kirk underneath those rocks, and not just a hastily constructed memorial Picard put together.

[@r0bw00d]

@@JP-eu2dc Laughing my ass off off off off indeed.

[@SB0780]

I agree with you on all fronts here. Dennis McCarthy’s score is phenomenal, I actually got to see him conduct the Overture for Generations with a live orchestra in Los Angeles, it was phenomenal, it brought the house down. Had a good chat to him too. I think the film is generally pretty underrated and under appreciated, there’s a lot of like, I think it’s the most cinematic of all the Next Gen movies.

[@camschuster5947]

I don’t give a flying fug, I love this movie. Greatest time in Trek History. Yes it has it problems but what a time to be alive as a 10 year old for Star Trek fans.

[@nickoftime5759]

This one was big for me, as it was the first time I got to see Trek on the big screen and I grew up watching TNG.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Wrath of Khan is the greatest Star Trek movie ever made. Change my mind.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Why would anyone want or care to change your mind?

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Prove me fucking wrong

[@nickoftime5759]

I don’t think anyone will try and argue that.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

@nickoftime5759 happy with that Leader as we used to say in the Royal Navy

[@jeyfomson6364]

PERIOD!!!

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

I *always* HATED the "emotion chip" part with Data in Generations. Felt sooo tagged on and we already HAD Data go through emotions during TNG... Bäh 😒 But the 1st 10 Minutes are indeed incredidible, much like the 1st 10 minutes of Star Trek 2009 before the whole Thing falls apart

[@bigtomboye]

Yes, tho Everything here is tagged on, a ramshackle caravan of disenchantment

[@guilhermehank4938]

The "i hate this. More, please" was good tho

[@radioflyer68911]

It was "tagged on." Data could develop some emotions without the chip. That would be a better way to go. That was just a plot device.

[@ImmortalThanos]

I've always been a bit of a defender on Generations. Sure, Kirk's send off is not explosive or astounding, but I believe it's rather fitting for his character just how quiet and softly he goes. For a man who spent his entire career living on the proverbial edge of his captain's chair, it was a bit refreshing to see him pass away just like any other man. Sometimes, your number is simply up.

[@didinx8417]

I seem to remember reading at the time that the 2 horses Kirk & Picard ride were William Shatner's own horses. And rather lovely they are too. Anyway I saw the film & liked it. And I'd like to re-watch.

[@kholui]

Plot holes aside, I found the way Picard's family were depicted in the nexus to be bizarre - like some kind of Dickensian wish fulfillment. It always pulls me out of the movie.

[@norman7566]

That's odd to me because I can totally see that being Picard's secret, ultimate and stable wish fulfillment. It seems to be very much in line with his character just that Starfleet won out because that is what a man sometimes sacrifices, a career for family.

[@Neethan3247]

Because was grieving because of the loss of his family. That could have played a big factor in the illusion.

[@nah88]

​@@norman7566Agreed, he said at the start when he was on the holodeck that that time period was real living.

[@Menaceblue3]

Sir Patrick Stewart did play Ebenezer Scrooge in the Charles Dickens movie "a Christmas Carol"

[@txjeb]

I saw Generations in the Theater 5 times. The first two were fanboy, the next 3 were literally trying to figure out if I liked it or not. I decided not. Because I recognized that it was literally just a long episode with slightly better CGI and graphics. That and I instantly recognized the re-use of the bird of prey destruction scene from Undiscovered Country.

[@haitolawrence5986]

One of the first shots of the Enterprise-D looked like an upscaled shot from the TV series. I remember being crushed in that moment. Paramount pinching pennies yet again.

[@Liethen]

Would have been funny if Kirk had survived and began running around the galaxy decades after his death.

[@LeftTownMedia]

I read that after Kirk's apparent death on the Enterprise B, the film was supposed to show the enterprise D battling several romulan ships, but the studio felt that was too predictable and wanted it rewritten.

[@terrylandess6072]

This reminds me of why studio 'heads' are not professional script writers. It's like a CEO telling someone how to do their job while being unable to do it themselves.

[@zacharyfett2491]

8:22 I always assumed that this was the Nexus’ way of trying to entice people to stay. Here’s Picard in Kirk’s Nexus reality(?) trying to get him to leave while the Nexus fights back in a way, showing new experiences. “Hey remember this time? Remember these people? You loved this!”, albeit done poorly. I felt that the Nexus was a sentient creature rather than some magical energy ribbon.

[@terrylandess6072]

I think that was part of the problem - having magic in a science based show.

[@AzraelThanatos]

Interestingly, there is the mission in STO that kind of went with a theme similar to that. The Nexus was a prison for a powerful entity called Khaj'Buur...who escapes during "Beyond the Nexus" where you team up with LaForge and includes getting onboard a Galaxy class ship again there. It's an interesting mission there considering he can possess people and manages to take over two ships at one point

[@graveyardshowpodcast]

Excellent video. As a fan of TOS I was not happy with Kirk's death at all, and I was hoping when Picard went through the bridge rubble that Kirk would have been gone, as if he went back into the Nexus. The other confusing part about the Nexus was exiting back to real-time. So, if Kirk wanted to could he have just gone back to the events on Enterprise B and gotten off Deck 15 before getting blasted? Since he and Picard could jump back to the planet before it was destroyed I can't see why Kirk couldn't have done that. Of course that raises the issue of changing the future, or in this instance "the present". ~ Caretaker

[@RichtorLazlo]

Generations was poorly written, poorly executed, a copy of too many scenes taken from other episodes and rushed way to much to meet its release date. Nemoy wanted to do it and was told that it would have to connections to TNG episodes that he did. When the script didn’t live up to that expectation he pulled an exit , he demanded a rewrite and was denied, if I have to say anything about it good it would be Malcolm McDowell played a great villain that was wasted in this telling and it was beautifully shot,

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Kirk dying on the Enterprise is still one of those saddest moments I’ve ever felt. Next to the Enterprise being sacrificed in ST3. Kirk dying to save the crew was fitting.

[@MacTX]

I wasn't a huge fan of killing off of the Duras sisters or Picard's brother and nephew.

[@Linkacide]

Pretty awesome to see Alex from “A Clockwork Orange”, as a villain in Star Trek. A specially when he interrogates Geordi La Forge.

[@terrylandess6072]

He also made an appearance with 'Luke Skywalker' in one of the Wing Commander games.

[@unbrokn001]

I had no idea that Ronald Moore was involved in the writing for this. That's honestly kind of crazy to me considering he would go on to write among other things DS9 and the (imo) masterpiece that was the BSG reboot.

[@Mr.S7R4WM4N]

If a dream has Woopie in it it’s a nightmare!

[@peterg76yt]

I found that the Nexus itself exceeded what I could give in the way of suspension of disbelief. It just wasn't believable even in the Star Trek universe to see something so covenient that also let people live out fantasy lives at no cost. And without the Nexus, nothing else in the movie made the least bit of sense.

[@barfolomewmog5005]

Agree. An additional point; Kirk told us in ST V that he had always known he would die alone. He didn't really know Picard, but he knew enough that Picard was the captain of a future Enterprise and they had a kindred spirit there. Kirk wasn't alone when he died.

[@mattrinck7503]

That's just what he thought. He wasn't prophetic though. I always just chalked it up to a Doc Holliday like situation. He always thought he would die with his boots on in a gunfight, and then passed away quietly in a bed in bare feet.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@mattrinck7503 I'd always seen it as he believed that, with his luck, he'd outlive what friends/family he had left. Dying alone in a world that no longer recognizes him

[@Jimmie2429]

Do not worry, Treksters. Captain James T. Kirk’s body is in stasis at the Daystrom Station.

[@DeadBaron]

This was one of my favorite movies when I was a kid. I know it was designed to be nostalgia bait just looking for a way to have Kirk in, but I remember it being fun.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

This ..👆

[@bigtomboye]

Nope Garbage

[@Uzarran]

_First Contact_ may be the "Wrath of Khan" of the TNG movies, and their undisputed king, but in some ways I like _Generations_ better. The stakes are high, but not really pressing for the Federation since the world being destroyed isn't a member or particularly advanced. Despite that, the Enterprise crew fight desperately to prevent that world's destruction, truly representing the best parts of human empathy and compassion. Plus, pocket watches are cool, and always will be.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

@Uzarran I'm ex Royal Navy and the 'battles' between the Enterprise and the Reliant are awesome

[@KerbalSpaceCommand]

Kirk is frustrated in his retirement years? The opening screens take place the same year as the undiscovered country.

[@metricmine]

One thing that always bugs me is that throwaway line that explains why Soran couldn't just fly a ship into the Nexus. They said that every ship gets destroyed. So what if the ship gets destroyed? We saw in earlier clips that the people still make it into the Nexus after the ship, or part of the ship they're in, gets destroyed. Just take a shuttle and fly in. If the shuttle gets destroyed, who cares? The shuttle would be a lot easier to get than that complicated plot he's doing.

[@MiniLemmy]

Or why not just don a spacesuit and beam out into the path of the ribbon? Save sacrificing any ships or shuttles….

[@Starfia]

I'd taken that to mean a ship destroyed that way might kill its crew before the Nexus could ingest them. We know some from the Enterprise-B wound up in the Nexus, but the Enterprise-B wasn't trying to fly into it. The damage presumably exposed Kirk momentarily to space, both saving him bodily trauma allowing the Nexus to glance him, which is what Soran was attempting to orchestrate. (Lemmy's idea might work too.)

[@sseltrek1a2b]

the visuals, the opening sequence, the crash of the saucer section, and Data's scenery chewing are worth the price of admission alone...yeah- it has some problems, but way better than most of anything that has come out with Trek since 2009...and, there was nothing like seeing some of these scenes on a "huge" screen...

[@ShinAkuma204]

The woman in Kirk's nexus should have been Edith Keeler.

[@bigtomboye]

Amazing idea, honestly

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Storyline should've had TOS crew having to go 40 years into future/TNG having to go 40 years back in time, the 2 crews join forces to beat an enemy and/or save Planets etc. Kirk goes out in a blaze of glory saving Billions.

[@bryanblackburn6928]

I've always liked the theory that Picard never left the Nexus, it just gave him what he wanted. He got to stop Soran, then went on to defeat the Borg, find love on a planet where he could eventually retire without aging and finally help bring about peace between the Federation and the Romulans. What better fantasy could Picard have picked for himself.

[@Songguy1985]

And now he has a son with Beverly and the Enterprise-D back.

[@marvelstarwarsgeek1511]

This was incredibly disappointing, given the meeting between two icons it could have been so better . All the other entries ( apart from the motion less picture ) are so much better and way more rewatchable especially the top tier best of the series Wrath of Khan . It felt very rushed and underwhelming. Like you said the first 10 minutes are very good but it goes downhill very quickly. And don't even get me started on Kirks death talk about a damp squib .

[@bigtomboye]

Yep, stupidly disappointing 😢 waste of time and money and talent This simping video about it is almost as disappointing

[@jeenkzk5919]

Yeah, I remember the movie being disappointing but at the same time it was still exciting to see a cinematic version of the next generation. These characters that I’ve been watching for the past seven years l, I believe before that. I was a junior in high school when it came out. And then First Contact definitely made up for it.

[@ianoz1]

You are way too kind, Dave. I did a review for a fan-mag in Australia at the time. I crucified it. A film made by people who should all have known better & done better. Lost all respect for Moore as a writer, who was bulletproof (imo) prior to this. The ignominy of Kirk's death was unforgivable AND broke Moore's own canon (from Relics). How many plot holes in this film? Count the explosions and divide by 1. Both Guinan & Data had their characters destroyed, along with the Ent D. This film broke my heart.

[@karantov1]

I have strong memories of this film. My best friend and I saw it opening weekend. He had never watched TNG before. He went back and saw 7 more times, and collected 6 cups. I only went on one of those trips. When the enterprise d was destroyed the entire theatre was silent. And then my friend dropped his cup in shock and the audience broke out in laughter. One of the most perfect moments in theatre for me.

[@A88mph]

Don't forget. If Scotty knew Kirk 'died' on the Enterprise-B... why would he think Kirk brought the Enterprise out of mothballs to come save him from the Dyson Sphere?

[@tperfect7241]

I love this movie. Propelled by great acting and theme's of family, time, and loss. Also the effects still beat anything out today

[@JasonAdank]

totally agree. Lots of great sub-themes at play in this one.

[@ressljs]

I'm surprised how many positive comments I'm seeing here. I thought Generations was easily the worst Star Trek movie ever... Until JJ Abrams came in and ruined everything. I can appreciate some of the cool elements it had, but its central plot was such blah nothingness, I really disliked the whole thing.

[@bigtomboye]

​@@ressljsAgreed, shocking to see so many simps sucking this swill down. This channel is apparently viewed mainly by sadsacks

[@bigtomboye]

This makes me very very very sad for you😢

[@MaestroDrake]

I still recall the parachute Kirk toy which indicated a deleted scene which we would not see for decades. I think, originally, William Shatner was supposed to be the old captain turning young, Admiral Jamison from Season 1 of TNG.

[@MrWorf35]

Instead of returning to the past before Soren begins his plan that could potentially kill billions, Picard decides to go back to the riskier moment to put an end to Soren's plan. Brilliant writing there! Not my favourite Star Trek film, but it has some good moments and fantastic FX. Thanks.

[@r0bw00d]

You've obviously never seen TNG or DS9. There's a reason why Picard went back to the point that he did. Starfleet is hellbent on preserving what they perceive to be the original timeline, viewing changes to it as incorrect and needing to be removed. By arriving just before the launch, Picard is ensuring that the change he brought with him would be minimized.

[@MrWorf35]

@@r0bw00d Yes, I know that. But it beas no dramatic tension anyway.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

So my take from this is... Never watch "Star Trek Discovery". That's my take from anything Star Trek related,

[@BigGator5]

I love the movie for what it is. Could we have done something better or different? Maybe. However I get what they were going for, they nailed it. The only truly irredeemable TNG movie, is the last one.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

This...👆

[@bigtomboye]

What a simp Entertainment is so bad now because of worshippers of crap

[@erroneouscode]

Looking back on Generations I can't help but think it was a mistake to kill off Kirk anyway. As time has shown, William Shatner just never seemed to grow old in any great hurry. They could have used him again in the future. They could of even done the equivalent of a show like Picard with Kirk as the focus. I've never been a fan of killing off characters to "hand over the torch" especially when done so poorly.

[@occupywallets9096]

The biggest problem I have with this film is the horrible physics... I mean, no matter what happens to the star, the mass remains the same! Every time I watch this movie I swear at that moment, like omg please...

[@occupywallets9096]

Did I properly state that? See life cycle of a star 101... I don't know the science to change the mass of a star to alter the path of a celestial object... But this film did not do that...

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

The Nexus... Picard could have told Kirk everything he needed to know, Kirk goes back to the Enterprise B, gives Guinan a message from Picard and they give Soran therapy to cope with his loss so he doesn't go and destroys two star systems.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Words cannot describe how DUMB Geordi rebuilding the E-D in his spare time was. When your flagship lies in ruin on a planet with a pre-Warp civilization closeby, and you cannot recover it, you obliterate its remains from orbit, to keep the remains from falling into the hands of any enemy of the Federation, or to prevent indirectly influencing that pre-Warp civilization once they develop interplanetary space travel. The E-D in Pukehard S3 should be what most restorers do. Take an old written hulk, restore it and then paint it in the colors of whatever favorite thing that you like.

[@bryanstephens4800]

This film made me stop watching Star Trek films. What they did to Kirk and the Enterprise D was criminal. Never watched a Star Trek movie again. Along with what they did with Picard's family for no reason. Just a total downer of a movie.

[@papabear562]

Pretty much have to agree. It was kind of a disappointment, the plot device had many holes, and in my view Kirk's death should have remained an unknown event in STar Trek lore. All that said, one the reasons why I keep coming back to this film is Deanna Troi, Marina Sirtis. She looked absolutely stunning in this film, the prettiest I've seen her look. Sorry if that sounds wrong, but hey, she's one my favorite Star Trek characters.

[@plugsocket9432]

Generally, I liked Generations even with its flaws. It's a lot better than Nemesis and miles better than anything of Star Trek since 2009. In my head canon; all Star Trek after 2005 is in an alternative universe or timelines. Therefore Picard Season 3 isn't the Enterprise D from Generations but from another alternate Universe/timeline. I don't care what other people think if they disagree with me.

[@CujoHyer]

It should have culminated in space. With Kirk arriving out of the Nexus at the last moment on a version of his Enterprise, saving TNG Enterprise and sacrificing his own in the end. But whatever, Generations and First Contact are still enjoyable films. But Gen is a bit boring, where First Contact gets the tension up better.

[@IronicTonic8]

The biggest travesty is how they under utilized Kirk and the way they killed him off. Kirk should have been at the command of a star ship and make a sacrifice similar to the one made by Kirk's father in the beginning of the JJ Abraham's Star Trek reboot. They could have had the entire Enterprise B travel into the nexus and re-emerge in the future. Would have been more satisfying to see Kirk in the future helping the crew of the Enterprise D with the Enterprise B.

[@DrVenture42]

Dave.. the Nexus gives u whatever u want. Picard always wants ‘truth’.. that’s why he saw the cataclysm he was trying to prevent. Shifting scenes? Kirk was satisfied with one desire then had a new one. Yes there was no rush time-wise, the issue was to leave nexus at all. The entrance was unpredictable. Soran spent years planning to direct the nexus to a place he could enter. If Kirk left, he knew he would probably never return. I agree some important moments were disappointing but overall they did a good job passing the torch.

[@randomkoreanguy]

I remember being disappointed when this came out. I had such high hopes for an Original Series and TNG crossover film and this movie was average at best. It's tough to say how it could've been improved without a major overhaul of the whole script, but at the least, I think Kirk could've met the whole crew of the Enterprise D and offered to go out commanding the star drive section in a blaze of glory. That would have been an end more befitting his character than how he actually died. But maybe they were hamstrung by the budget and those executive decree script inclusions. I guess if there were unlimited time and budget, this movie would've picked up right where Undiscovered Country left off with an Enterprise about to be decommissioned and incorporating that into the story arc so that the entire cast of both series can take part with their respective starships. Maybe tweak the Nexus thing so that Soran is also only partly immersed in it like Guinan and he acts as like an anti-Guinan, desperately trying to get the rest of himself into the Nexus only to discover it's impossible and so his future TNG Era self hatches a scheme to change the past via the Nexus which would create a paradox and destroy the fabric of space-time (or something) and requires the cooperation of both crews from both eras to stop. And after an entire movie spent flip-flopping between eras, you can have a brief scene at the end where both crews meet each other somehow via the Nexus before returning to their original appropriate times.

[@straker454]

I was never a big fan of this film. It felt unnecessary to have Kirk in the film and even more unnecessary to destroy the Enterprise D for something "more cinematic". Having the Enterprise be beaten by it's shields be useless is neat, but at the first torpedo hit Riker should have said to fire a full spread of torpedoes at the Bird-of-Prey and it would have been over but instead they had him run away and come up with a convoluted fight scene that made NO sense. The Sovereign Class is an okay ship but is so drastically different that it felt out of place. I've seen a gorgeous Galaxy Class refit that blends Sovereign Class design with the frame of the Galaxy Class. t's called the Ross Class and it's a perfect refit that would have worked better as Enterprise E. This film is wasted potential and is another example of why studio execs need to stay out of the actual process of making them film.

[@quademasters249]

I didn't like this one at all. Typical TNG movie. I really wanted to like it. As you say, they sort of wasted Kirk's presence. I'd have preferred a more conventional "accidental time travel captain's meeting" to this. Too complicated, too slow. Not enough Trek style adventure. The thing at the beginning when the new Captain is struggling just doesn't ring true. The people given command of these ships are the best of the best. They're already proven and have worked their way through star fleet. The idea they'd give a ship like this to a ditherer just wasn't cannon. They needed it for the plot to work.

[@boscovilante4068]

Kirk is like a hot potato in this film. They just don't know what to do with him. He falls off a bridge, Picard weirdly hawks his body up to the top of a mountain for some unclear reason. The TNG crew then forgets about him and there's no state funeral nor really any other respect given to such a legendary figure but there's a major fuss over Spot the Cat! The writers just treated Kirk as a plot obstruction, a writing chore and couldn't wait to sweep him under the carpet.

[@mrnobody4125]

This movie had some good elements, but it was always an awkward disappointment that was rewritten too many times to have a single clear idea. I enjoy I, but I just never could live with the idea that Kirk died for something so stupid. Especially when they could have gone back to any time to stop the missle, but Picard picked the worst possible time. What a dumb way to use the ability to time travel, wasting the life of the greatest hero of the Federation. Dying because of stupidity is an unforgivable error in Star Trek.

[@MajorTomFisher]

I can't remember exactly, but was the Enterprise-B orbiting Earth during its christening before its first takeoff? That makes the idea they're the only ship in range make a lot less sense. I thought that this was also the case in Wrath of Khan but the Enterprise is actually docked in this random repair bay in space and we don't see a planet, so I don't think that movie has this flaw.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Picard's brother and nephew dying always annoyed me. If they wanted to make Picard realize that his opportunity to have a family had passed. I think of other ways to do it that are way more interesting. *One slightly edgy idea is have his nephew who would be about 16 for the film show up with a son.* Maybe a bit edgy for Star Trek but would have done the job better.

[@hi-q2261]

Dave starship has just launched and it was a success. All we need now is phases and Photon torpedos 🤞 Anyway I always thought the Nexus was feeding on people's emotions, including their responsibilities 🤨

[@SneakyFoxJr.-vb8yb]

One thing I could not understand about the Enterprise D in the episode The Best of both worlds the Enterprise D could randomly shift its shield frequency so that the Borg could not lock on with a tractor beam why did they not shift shield frequencies when the bird of prey was firing at them....?

[@KiltedCritic]

The issue with the Nexus goes even further than you mentioned. All thanks to Guinan's line of "you can go anywhere, anytime". Which means Picard could have went back far enough to stop his family getting killed, and throwing Sorn in the brig right after rescuing him. Also nothing to stop Sorn himself once in the nexus, to come back out to his homeworld to save his family, then go back in.

[@haitolawrence5986]

Good points.

[@Manofsteel1701-f4r]

Is this movie flawed yes. However I absolutely adore it. I love kirks characterization. It makes sense that now he’s retired he’d be thinking wow I really missed out on building any type of life outside of the bridge. His death is flawed as can be and didn’t need to happen. Shatner definitely had another movie in him. First contact is without a doubt the best made film but this is the tng movie I put on when I’m having a bad day. The chemistry with Stewart and shatner was electric

[@darksidemachining]

Absolutely hated the way Kirk died in that movie. He should have had a send off as was Samantha Carter’s in Stargate Atlantis season 4 episode 20, The Last Man. She died fighting numerous Hive ships while commanding her starship and in the end taking out three of them when, after transporting her crew to safety onto a planet, she rammed her crippled ship into them. This event happened in an alternate timeline yet it still was heartbreaking.

[@AlbertusMagnus_44]

I really cannot watch this movie. I saw it once in 1994 and that was it. I hate the story. I hate the "BIG THINGS!" that the story revolves around and that were forced into the picture by the Studio. I wrote at the time that this movie was the worst piece of Star Trek ever produced and that I would rather see no new Star Trek again ever, than to see another picture like this. I still stand by this comment and as recent years have proven, it can, and did, get worse.

[@qdllc]

The Enterprise B made no sense at all. New ships are built in the Sol system. This one was just christened and not even going for its shakedown cruise, but it’s the only ship in the area??? More so, why would the nexus be anywhere near them? It passes through every X years but no record of prior passings near earth?

[@colin1818]

The TNG movies were never anything great. First Contact was the gem with a number of "also rans" that nobody really cares much about anymore.

[@avg8056]

This soundtrack is one of my all-time favorites. The Nexus/Christmas Hug track gets me teary eyed every time.

[@supermanprime6758]

THANK YOU for mentioning the score and damn just how great the film looks color wise

[@scottlowell493]

Definitely better than the caravan of rubbish that is insurrection and nemesis. All the movie needed was a trim from the excess sub plots, and to give Kirk a glorious, hero's death...not a red shirt death.

[@chrisw6164]

I was not a big fan of TNG when I went to see this movie. I liked the movie just fine, but it was kind of a mess. I understand why they felt it necessary to match Picard with Kirk, but there had to be better plots and scripts than what we got.