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[@richtea615]

Firefly only got half a season. Let that sink in.

[@mygodisyahweh8634]

Farscape only got 4 seasons

[@Getloose360]

OP: that's a goddamn shame..

[@Original_Edition]

Firefly isn't very good and I remember my friends and I not wanting to watch it when it was new because it was lame

[@michaelfisher7170]

Its the rule. Good writing is punished.

[@mygodisyahweh8634]

@@Original_Edition Hopefully you're older and wiser and your Intelligence has gone up a few points... I suggest you rewatch it.

[@Ashkihyena]

Good riddance to awful garbage. The fact this got one more season than Enterprise is a travesty.

[@tonyceci8237]

not nearly as many episodes though. Enterprise was 100x better on its worst episode

[@docsavage8640]

Enterprise had to depend on ratings and actual viewers. STD got renewed over and over to push a political agenda and because Paramount Plus needed "content." Totally different playing field since Enterprise had to make money, TDS is allowed to lose money.

[@PaulRichardson4678]

Still anxious that hack Kurtzman is still involved. He "claims" to be a long time Trek fan yet played God with rewriting canon. Hope he is never allowed near another show ever.

[@docsavage8640]

KZbin deleted my comment about Enterprise having to rely on ratings and profitability to survive while STD exists to fill content on Paramount Plus and push politics and the producers don't care if it makes any money

[@robertbrown3413]

@@PaulRichardson4678 I hope in the long run Alex Kurtzman is ranked alongside Fred Freiberger.

[@catsofsherman1316]

Affectionately known as STD

[@frankgesuele6298]

🤢🤢

[@rickrollrizal]

They really did not think the acronyms through

[@frankgesuele6298]

@@rickrollrizal Among so much they didn't think through🤯

[@cairsahrstjoseph996]

Not so affectionately but the sentiment is understood

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

FUCKING BRUTAL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@joshadams8761]

Not every STD is treatable.

[@kenb2671]

This one took 5 years to cure.👍🏾

[@lone_puppy3539]

Lol! I always wondered whether they did enough research for the series name when Star Trek series are often abbreviated in this way.

[@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81]

Bam.

[@Procopius464]

Confirmed, this series is AIDS

[@infectedgoat7775]

Like herpes it never goes away (see Kurtzman comma Roberto).

[@JohnSmith-ro8hk]

They cancelled Enterprise just as it was getting great and then ran this pos for 5 years...

[@francescosaporiti1431]

Honestely, I could get Les Moines decision to stop Enterprise as an heartless but, understandable business decision. Now, considering he gave the green light to STD under Kurtzman despite his failure with The Mummy, and the fact that Enterprise Season 4 was starting to armonizes ENT with TOS, I am quite sure he wanted only to kill the franchise

[@ellesmerewildwood4858]

They cancelled it because the straight white guy was the main character in show. They wanted a black woman named Michael who cries a lot and along with all the other females on the show are the absolute bestest at everything. Strong, intelligent, straight white men need not apply.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@ellesmerewildwood4858 It perfectly demonstrates every problem within Hollywood not to mention every negative social movement within the last 10 years. They really captured the horrible zeitgeist of the world that hopefully we’ll all forget within another few years.

[@aurorauplinks]

the only reasno Enterprise was canceled is because Moonves felt betrayed and or something and was busy sinking CBS. Sort of sad, but he did it not because it was bad or simply misunderstood, but because it was good and actually making people happy finally. and he was watching CBS burn which explains the other choices.

[@aurorauplinks]

@@francescosaporiti1431 he didnt hate star trek. he was pissed about CBS i think or was trying to make a point to it's owners

[@vikinginsane6770]

Nobody will be watching this show 20 or 30 years later like TNG

[@tonyceci8237]

nobody watched it now! this is like bizzaro star trek, opposite of everything its supposed to be

[@gimzod76]

Nobody will be watching this show in one years time

[@eddysgaming9868]

I don't know. Today, they have whole channels devoted to crap nostalgia shows of the past. "Mayberry RFD" anyone?

[@MerchantOfClicks]

I’m actually watching TNG for the first time and I’m on season 2. As a trumpet player in high school, I cringe when I hear the opening theme because the trumpeting is sloppy and sharp.

[@admiralrimmer]

Literally no one is watching it. Despite this being the shows final season if you search for recent Star Trek reaction videos its all people watching TOS, TNG and the movies.

[@Rick_Cleland]

Didn't even watch a single episode of that utter shite.

[@Epsilon-Alpha-001]

Lucky.

[@DaNinja60]

I think I saw the first two of them. Might even have seen it up to the intro of their gay characters and I was done.

[@chrisoconor9314]

I forced myself through the first two seasons to talk about it with my friends, then gave up a couple of episodes after the time jump.

[@dogofwar6769]

I watched the first 2 seasons of that *_trash_* and I refuse to watch any nu trek every again. The Star Trek franchised ended after Enterprise, full stop. Serious dude, that first season of discover is so.... _DAMN_ ..... *_BBBAAADDD_* It is _shockingly_ bad. It's late late series Andromeda bad but with expensive CGI. And the 2nd season is only just slightly better, so I refuse to watch anymore. Watched one episode of Picard but it was just as bad so I'm just done. I know that Season 3 of Picard is supposedly better, but I'm not wasting any more of my time.

[@mynameisspike4086]

They lost me at the Klingons...

[@katey1dog]

Our long, national nightmare, is over.

[@theequalizer9154]

I was thinking the very same.

[@MrYerak5]

International*

[@robertbrown3413]

79 episodes of TOS, 75 of Discovery, so fewer of this thank the heavens!

[@rayeasom]

The long night as Dylan Hunt described it.

[@luismoro5720]

No because the View is still on and so is Grey's Anatomy

[@sardonicspartan9343]

STD was not Trek. It was woke garbage.

[@Kitty-CatDaddy]

THIS! Woke Dreck, not Star Trek.

[@pabrowncoatbrewer7154]

STD is the perfect abbreviation for that show.

[@Manicfuguestate]

Even looking past the obvious political bias in the social commentary (if you can even call it that), it's just overall a terrible show. I remember being so stoked when they announced this show. I've been a life long trekkie ever since I grew up watching re-runs of TNG, DS9, and Voyager on TNN and Spike TV. I'm probably one of the youngest trekkies there is. I was only 8 years old when Enterprise got cancelled, and the time between that and the premiere of Discovery, I had gone through elementary school, middle school and high school. The immense disappointment I felt watching those first two seasons is indescribable. Then the disappointment I felt watching Picard was even more gut wrenching. It was like reconnecting with a childhood friend years later, only for them to become a brainless drug addict.

[@pabrowncoatbrewer7154]

@Manicfuguestate I agree that it's a terrible show. I was four when I watched Star Trek on television. In 1969, the episode Spock's Brain gave me nightmares. I quickly got over them. As I got older, I started recognizing the social issues ST:TOS was addressing. It makes me cringe when people say trek has been "woke" from the beginning because it hasn't. All memorable television shows take on social issues, and Star Trek helped pave that road. But Gene Roddenberry and other series writers never gave you the solution to those issues. They let the viewer draw their own conclusions to the issues presented. STD and countless other shows today preach at you as if you are in a church receiving a sermon about how evil you are and that you're irredeemable. Unlike the original series, there's no hope in their message.

[@allank534]

@@ManicfuguestateExactly the same here. Was gutted when ENT ended but when I heard of the new 2009 movie and Disc etc I couldn’t wait….the biggest let down in TV history. ST up to 2005 was a unique, diverse and imaginative franchise. That has all been lost with the only exception being Prodigy. Such a shame, I’ll just stick to rewatching the good old stuff!

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Having Jordy's visor is like having someone's prosthetic leg.

[@mchapman8960]

Perhaps the man was Rocket Racoon in disguise.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

@@mchapman8960 A stolen Marvel joke was definitely what they were going for...

[@MaskedMan66]

Geordi.

[@MaskedMan66]

Geordi.

[@SamSchott1]

or glass eye

[@chaz9808]

Can’t wait until the actual viewing numbers comes out in a few years and they have to admit how many millions they wasted on STD

[@docsavage8640]

They'll never admit that. They'll spin it and call the audience racist and sexist and right-wing extremist for rejecting crapola writing.

[@drake000666]

You think they will let that happen, have you looked at all the lies in the world that people think is the truth.

[@eddysgaming9868]

No. Societal corruption runs so deep that they'll never admit it. Never accept blame.

[@starlit_hawser11]

“STD” 😂

[@radioflyer68911]

They'll edit the data and it will show that it was a hit.

[@KovesVids]

To boldy go where no-one wanted to go before.

[@konnorj6442]

Nope there was no bold in there it was anything but more braindead brainwashed bullshit

[@jaythomas3224]

Who is No-One?

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@jaythomas3224 You, clearly.

[@hi-q2261]

All terrible things must come to an end 🙏

[@arthurpendragon3000]

Not soon enough.

[@Vile_Entity_3545]

Yes you will 😂

[@greyghostgamerz]

To quote Bob on TWD "Nah...this is a nightmare. And nightmares end" 🖖

[@lukefrahn8538]

...and thus leave nothing behind

[@haplozetetic9519]

"Discovery has done 5 seasons" It should have been life. From The Muppet show: Statler: "I liked that last number." Waldorf: "What did you like about it?" Statler: "It was the LAST number."

[@jimmyolsenblues]

Starfleet was never about hiring people on diversity, equity and inclusion. Starfleet was always about the best of the best. And the writers chose DEI.

[@CMVeal]

Starfleet was also a military style organization. Military organizations have fitness requirements. You can see that on all the other shows. The crew is fit. They exercise. They’re in shape. Notable exceptions include older admirals or other older characters past a certain age where realistically they wouldn’t actually be serving on a starship any longer. Given that, WTF is up with Tilly? She’s an obviously obese woman serving on a starship. She’s not an admiral. She’s not old. Why did Starfleet seemingly relax its physical fitness requirements for this one person? Why haven’t her superior officers told her to get back into shape? If Starfleet was a real military organization, this sort of letting go of physical standards in junior officers wouldn’t be allowed.

[@antimatterhorn]

Starfleet was always about "infinite diversity in infinite combinations". It was never about "the best of the best", because a major belief of Roddenberry is that the best exists within everyone. The problem with this show wasn't that the writers embraced DEI, it was that they explicitly or implicitly pitted diversity in opposition to competence, in opposition to growth, in opposition to intellectualism, etc. and in their framing, it was enough to be part of a certain identifiable category, that all other considerations of character were less than even secondary. As well, and in a very weird way, the writers of this show embraced individual autonomy as superseding collective strength. So that while on TNG, the individual characteristics of the crew could combine and reinforce the whole through the normal competent process of the chain of command, on this show, spunky insubordination was never demonstrated to be of negative value to the whole, because the whole doesn't matter. It's your own "truth" that matters. Which is actually very MAGA. I guess the old adage that if you go too far in one direction politically, you end up meeting the other side somewhere might be true.

[@jimmyolsenblues]

@@antimatterhorn DEI is not Starfleet. Marxists are not Starfleet

[@ThinWhiteDude]

Proud to say, as a Star Trek fan, that I never watched a single episode of this shite.

[@Sgt_Glory]

Wish I could pin that accolade on, but sadly I sat through 2 eps before I noped out.

[@Bateluer]

@@Sgt_Glory Same. I watched the opening 2 episodes of season one, then checked out. Next time I know, I see KZbinrs mocking season 5. For all the lack of buzz, I thought it was canceled after season 1.

[@MemeGnome]

While I had the misfortune of seeing some of Picard (not even the 3rd season either), I too can at least say I never saw a full episode of Discovery.

[@Nylon_riot]

Same, former Trekie dropped out after Enterprise. I've been told I made a good choice.

[@johnhollo6881]

@@Nylon_riot You did.

[@guyverjay1289]

And nothing of value was lost

[@qdllc]

“Doesn’t feel organic or earned.” So, classic Star Trek: Discovery.

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

Pizza cutter is the worst starship design in Star Trek history.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Makes you want to serve about the USS Grissom.

[@kevinintheusa8984]

I have the ST Enterprise pizza cutter which my wife thought I would love. It works and it now hangs on a wire from the ceiling of my home office. Very apt.

[@Matt7895]

It was awful. They picked a rejected concept from the 1980s. The concept that got rejected in favour of the beautiful and majestic Constitution Refit of Star Treks I-VI, for many people the most iconic Enterprise design after the original. They picked the rejected version of that. Right away I knew they had no taste, the opening episodes confirmed it with the other warship-like ship designs, the changes to the Klingons, the dark lighting etc. It was a show made for people who didn't like classic Trek, but liked the reboots and wanted those on TV with more soap opera.

[@motorhead281]

​@@Matt7895 "refit" was destroyed in Search for Spock. Enterprise A debut in ST5. Same design except for the interior, I believe.

[@drewblack3442]

“I should’ve done this a long time ago” “You were always welcome.” Simply the greatest ending lines to any series. More character growth in that simple scene. Truly earned over 7 great seasons.

[@SamSchott1]

I started to make an insightful comment about Daniels in STD, but then was overwhelmed by a staggering unstoppable wave of not giving a crap.

[@coolerheadsprevail9312]

STD, welp, apropos. Something you have to get rid of.

[@usxxgrant]

I will throw in a quote from a once co-worker of mine. "I forgot that I don't give a sh#t."

[@Dadolphinsmakemecry]

The Expanse was much more entertaining.

[@Rahab84]

Changing the paint in the corridors, from ocean grey to military grey. Is more exciting.

[@rayeasom]

The Expanse was well written, with great character progression set in a thoroughly believable universe, with some of the most scientifically accurate space traversal and combat. It had numerous well cast, well acted, well scripted characters with their own motivations unlike discovery which had one person effectively running the galaxy as absolutely nothing, utterly nothing could happen without her interjecting.

[@odojang]

@@rayeasom The Expanse is what I hoped modern Star Trek would be. But at least we got The Expanse. And the Orville. And fan gems like Star Trek Continues. Much easier then to forget all the Kurtzmantrek crap.

[@ZZR14988]

DAM RIGHT that show was fantastic.

[@name-vi6fs]

The Expanse is the best sci-fi series I've seen in decades.

[@rodneyabrett]

There's an episode of TNG written by René Echevarra called "The Lower Decks" where Picard sends one of the ensigns he knew on a dangerous undercover mission in an attempt to redeem herself for her role in the flight demo disaster coverup/scandal that Wesley was involved with. When Picard gets the news that she died on the mission, the way he simply turns to face the window looking out into space, you can feel the emotion of the scene and his regret and guilt in his face without being overly melodramic. He was being the stoic captain that he was while still expressing emotional depth. I miss scenes like this in Star Trek.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

That comparison is a little unfair. Patrick Stewart was a good/great actor before he joined Star Trek. The cast of Discovery were beginning actors at best and it doesn't look like they got any better. True, having showrunners and writers that understand their job also helps. And SFX people that knew how to give us great shots of starships. Have I forgotten anything where the production crew of Discovery wasn't inadequate to the job?

[@logangodofcandy]

Picard demonstrating all the emotion he's capable of.

[@michaelotoole1807]

@@Dreamfox-df6bg rodney was making a point on the writing and directing of both shows.

[@MaskedMan66]

On the other hand, there was the scene in which Jean-Luc blubbed like a baby to his brother about how he couldn't resist the Borg. But that was extreme, to be sure.

[@andrewb9790]

As soon as they said Spock had a sister called Michael, and that she was different colour… I was out. Never watched it, never will.

[@Jadty]

Talk about peak fanfiction.

[@TheAngryYumm]

Peak fanfiction level writing.

[@sceneinvegas]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 lame

[@thejestor9378]

Right to Beta memory it goes.

[@Razielchan666]

Yeah, older trek stuff, especially the movies, would never give Spock any sudden and up until then unmentioned family members.

[@dahelmang]

These people don't even believe in objective truth in real life, so why would they bother with continuity in a fictional series?

[@RionE23]

Eye glasses had become extinct by the 23rd century.. remember Kirk’s glasses and he has no idea what it is? Oh right, that requires the show runners to do research and care.

[@joeytaylor3517]

I'd say that Kovich fella only wore glasses to hide his disguise of being Daniels, like Clark Kent being Superman🤣🤣🤣

[@MaskedMan66]

He knew what glasses were, and as he was allergic to what is used to fix bad sight, he had to wear them. So they do still exist. Not supporting the show, just keeping things factual.

[@wonder6oy409]

We are living in a society governed by the intellectually vapid and emotionally immature. This show is a sad reflection of that.

[@evertonporter7887]

Well, how did we get to this point? Certainly not overnight, not even over the last 20 years either.

[@sitoudien9816]

It's never over until JJ and Kurtzman are fired!

[@Trelane574]

KURTZMAAAAAAAAAN! (Kirk yell) Too bad I can't attack the actual meme (which I created) in KZbin comments.

[@WntrGrnSoldier38]

Only in NuTrek can an insubordinate mutineer who was on her way to be imprisoned somehow rise through the ranks while continuing to be insubordinate and become a Starfleet Admiral. Wow, this was just....................I don't have words to describe how bad this all was.

[@Our_Sole_Pusch]

Star Woke Self Discovery: A Black Woman Cries.

[@cantdance3077]

💯

[@paulstewart4077]

I'm 56..my first memory of my life is watching an episode of Star Trek..I have never seen 1 episode of Discovery. I gave up on Star Trek after the last movie.

[@michaelotoole1807]

im also 56 years old. 1st episode of star trek i watched was the one with the creature that sucked the salt out of its victims. scared the shit out of me. i still get the shivers thinking about it.

[@countofdownable]

I'm 53 grew up watching the Original Series and the Animated series.

[@moviemetalhead]

So that would be Star Trek Nemesis. Everything that came after _isn't_ Star Trek.

[@bioshock6935]

@@michaelotoole1807 Then your a sad old man if it still sends shivers thinking about it lol i an 56 myself i just see star trek as a classic show for its time and like you i grew up watching the shows on the re runs in the 70's . But as for discovery it should of been canceled after season 2 and then that's when we should of gotten strange new worlds the following year but season 2 just made the show worsted in my opinion so i dont have much hope for season 3 and to think paramount is up for sale we might even get that show cancelled even sooner

[@KellyDuggan-q6q]

I stop watching after the fourth season

[@josebrown5961]

The show had too much hugging! What kind of Starfleet Captain hugs her XO in front of the whole crew? What happened to military decorum? Even the doctor and the engineer have kisses in front of everybody, not in the privacy of their quarters. Yes they are a “family” but they are supposed to be Starfleet officers. This show just made a mockery of all the norms of what Starfleet is supposed to be.

[@ProjectKhopesh]

That's the point, I'd guess. Infiltrate, corrupt, destroy.

[@docsavage8640]

Guaranteed nobody in the writing room, cast dressing rooms, or producer's mansion have ever served in any branch of any military

[@shawn6860]

​@@docsavage8640Agree , there is a few areas they were destinctly not military. All that insubordination there should have been demotions and dishonorable discharges.

[@docsavage8640]

I'd be surprised if they ever even worked a normal 9 to 5 job. When your boss gives you an order or directive, you don't get to talk back and be snarky in the real world. You might get away with a properly worded suggestion.

[@LRK-GT]

​​@@docsavage8640Acting Cpt. Data and Acting 1st Officer Worf. You know the scene.

[@RandomTChance]

I quit watching when a Kelpian temper tantrum blew up half the dilithium in the Galaxy! 🤦‍♂️😱🤦‍♂️

[@CODY--]

A show with the acronym STD had a plot line called the burn, makes a sort of sense.

[@RandomTChance]

@@CODY-- HAHAHA 😂👍

[@TheMultilover123]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@odysseusrex5908]

Why had you been watching up to that point? I quit watching after the first godawful episode.

[@All2Meme]

@@CODY-- And the worst part is finding out that "the burn" is penicillin-resistant

[@v8matey]

I'm surprised the Ship is not named after her. The U.S.S. Michael Burnham.

[@jaythomas3224]

Maybe they will honor her after retirement

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@jaythomas3224 Dude, she's not going to date you.

[@v8matey]

@@jaythomas3224 Honour her for what? Crying an hugging so much? 🤣

[@jaythomas3224]

@@mikeguilmette776 unfortunately shes married

[@carlpeters8690]

An STD that lasted for 5 years? Sounds terrible.

[@pabloburns6840]

This Season was viewed by 1005 people. That being the cast, their family and friends. Afterwards they shelved it under "Home movies".

[@sharkarkheart9085]

Nice.

[@1701-TP]

I loathe Ortegas, “know when to shut up Spock” - when she said that I wanted to throw my TV out the Window.

[@classreductionist]

Yeah she's awful. But fact that I recognize her name at least means she had an effect on me. (Loathing) I couldn't tell you the names of 90% of the characters on STD bc they are so boring and useless to the plot.

[@troffle]

jesuswept I got to "who are you going to believe Admiral, me not yet a commander Spock or your lying long-distance sensors" and the end of season 2 and for the first time since 1979 I stopped watching a SF show before its end.

[@jaythomas3224]

Imagine calling yourself a Trekker and Not Knowing a Commander can SPEAK FREELY. It urks you because you are seeing a "Black Woman" talking back 😉

[@troffle]

@@jaythomas3224 imagine calling yourself a human being and thinking a commander has a right to speak to an officer that way and reducing it to a skin colour issue... especially a Vulcan who would be better educated in protocol and communication.

[@1701-TP]

@@jaythomas3224 unless I’m colour blind she ain’t black.

[@Soxfandan]

It’s like having a long hug and a good cry with the people you just spent 8 hours in traffic school with.

[@stevenbacon-cheddar9914]

More Orville, please. Trek has been dead to me since that moment after Benedict Cucumberbatch played Kahn Noonien Singh😂

[@azzajames7661]

Red Dwarf is a funny outer space sci-fi for adults and kids alike😂🤣 I really did enjoy Buffy and Angel, but you can't have that humour and wit like that in all shows, especially not Star Trek and Star wars🤯 They are meant to be more mature, not immature, like how these modern-day shows/movies come across😒

[@docsavage8640]

"...doesn't sound like him, doesn't look like him, doesn't act like him." This applies to every character they bring back: Spock, Pike, Number One, Kirk, the Klingons, you name it. Even the starships.

[@jim405]

75% different Daniels.

[@Markus-c3n]

@@jim405 Some kinda "Discount Daniels", DINO, Daniels in NAME only...

[@MaskedMan66]

They could at least have had Rebecca Romijn play Chappel as well.

[@death2theworld]

Old "Daniels's" hairline is looking a lot fuller than original Daniels. Did he get a hair transplant in his time travels? 🤔

[@kal0247]

😂😂😂😂

[@Uzarran]

Obviously he changed the timeline to prevent hair-loss from being an issue for him. Sure, it wiped Metebelis 3 from existence, but that's a price worth paying for a full head of hair.

[@death2theworld]

@@Uzarran 😭 lmao

[@ghenulo]

I always thought Agent Daniels on "Enterprise" was really cute. Low-blow about the hairline.

[@jplonsdale7242]

He went to same place Kirk visited

[@Kadejones01]

Never watched a minute of it except by accident on channels like this lol.

[@snakeoi1sean]

I watched the first episode of STD and didn't need any more.

[@Spagghetii]

Hey Dave. Your channel has changed a lot over the years but these sorts of videos suit you. Light-hearted banter with a touch of politics, I hope you enjoying making it.

[@pauln6917]

The writers room is staffed with people that have lack life experience. What made TOS stories so compelling was the depth of the story telling by writers who had been police, soldiers, medics, lawyers, even Trades. The knowledge of such subjects deeply carried over into details that made stories feel authentic with monologue to explain it. Shown, not told. The writers now are direct from a University film school, technically good, but without more than surface level of any subject.

[@JamesJones-zt2yx]

Not just that, but award-winning SF writers wrote for ST:TOS, e.g. Theodore Sturgeon and Harlan Ellison. Of course, SF has largely gone woke now, so I don't know how much difference it would make.

[@Robman0908]

They could have a writers room with writers with life experience. They choose not to so they can sniff their own farts and jump for joy over how “inclusive” they are.

[@big_red01027]

And the inability to do research to further their own knowledge.

[@logangodofcandy]

Lol the problem with the staff is that they are objectively evil communists. The moral good presented in star trek stories is offensive to these demons.

[@flatcat6676]

Honestly, I hadn't really thought of that. It explains a lot about how modern media has gotten into the low, low trough that it's been in for well over a decade. Life experience matters, and a lot of these people have very limited experience beyond school or university life - which is not very reflective of the real world.

[@ThePressurizer]

This endless focus on emotion! Usually from people who can't shut up about mental health. If they'd ever talked to a real psychologist he would tell them that feelings are fickle, ephemeral things that mustn't be taken that seriously. Plus: Do they really think that's what living and working on what is basically a navy ship is like? Officers HAVE to have a grip on their emotions, because lives depend on them functioning in the most harrowing situations.

[@theequalizer9154]

👍

[@docsavage8640]

Not a single one of them could have met the psych profile requirements to enter Starfleet Academy 😅

[@Sgt_Glory]

​@@docsavage8640They meet the profile for Special Stafleet Academy.

[@rayeasom]

This is what infuriated me, stopping in the corridor immediately after a red alert has been sounded to discus some utterly unimportant falling out one of the diversity couples had. As a bunch of officers they all were utterly unsuitable for military life. Pathetically emotionally and mentally weak. Not a single one of them would have passed the Starfleet psych test.

[@ThePressurizer]

@@rayeasom And to think that they actually HAD a good example in Patrick Stewart in TNG. Captain Picard was calm, Stoic (in the correct sense) and strict when he had to. But never because he was some unfeeling kind of robot, but because he wanted to do right by his crew and his mission.

[@davidolsen8080]

Bryan Cranston said, "if a character cries, the audience doesn't have to but if a character tries not to cry, that's when the audience will."

[@JamesJones-zt2yx]

"He will not cry, so I cry for him." --from the _Conan the Barbarian_ movie

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

Kirk at the end when he's giving the final speech at Spock's funeral is perfect.

[@CurtisCT]

You're a brave man for watching all 5 seasons. I'm as hard core Trekkie as it gets, but even I couldn't get past the first two seasons. I think I just barely watched one or two episodes from season three. For the first time in my life I haven't watched an entire Star Trek series. Case in point, they killed off one of the bridge crew characters and to this day I couldn't tell you her name or what the hell she did on the bridge. There was no widespread reaction. No one remembers that she even existed. That's how insignificant and easily forgotten this show is. Let that sink in.

[@jaythomas3224]

How I feel about Enterprise. I only know Archer ohh and Trip for being Pregnant because of a meme. Discovery has NEW YOUNG fans to keep the Trek Universe going long after you have expired 😉

[@CurtisCT]

@@jaythomas3224 Problem is, you're in the clear minority with this view. Long after we're BOTH gone people will still be talking about all the great Star Trek series as well as the impact they had on society, and absolutely NO ONE will remember STD for the insignificant waste of time it was. I'm afraid the numbers just aren't on your side.

[@thejestor9378]

@@CurtisCTSTD no, but SNW, Prodigy, and Lower Decks did alot better.

[@mikepanick9362]

Season four was some of the worst television ever, season three a close second. Those Klingons in season one were ridiculous 😂😅

[@justinhackstadt6677]

Jesus, they even explain that the Progenitors found the technology. Come...on... 😑🤦‍♂️

[@christiandelorme5324]

S.T.D!!!

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

The greatest crime of all is not that it got five season, but that it was made in the first place. I am glad it is over because It can finally be forgotten. But so long as Kurtzman keeps making his 'new trek' knock offs, the franchise will remain in the toilet.

[@classreductionist]

The reason you get teary seeing Picard playing poker with his friends at the end of TNG is bc Picard has finally allowed himself to admit that they ARE his friends and not just his crew/subordinates.

[@jasonschlierman412]

Not friends, family! 😊

[@IanMoran-mq6fl]

The rumor is it was Michael Dorn that got teary once they finished filming that poker scene

[@motorhead281]

That's not true. Picard has always shown how much he values and even loves his crew. Data practically cries out to him for help in 1st Contact, and Picard does not abandon him. He talks up Riker when Capt. Jellico takes over the Enterprise. He served as Worfs "Cha deech" (lawyer) and risked his life doing it! I'm sure there are many other examples I'm not remembering.

[@madkabal]

@@motorhead281 the 1st contact thing happened after All Good Things. Picard was talking to Riker like a mentor. and Picard stuck his neck out for Worf because that is what a leader is supposed to do for a valuable member of the team.

[@motorhead281]

@@madkabal what's your point?

[@Radioman-pv5np]

In a couple of years no one will remember any of this crap.

[@Mr.McWatson]

5 years with STD(s) is far, far too long.

[@mutazila10]

For starters: a fat officer travelling through space is just wrong. I know, post-scarcity and all that $h1t, but all officers should be fit, emotional stable, mature.

[@jaythomas3224]

You described half of American police officers

[@marklerseth5471]

It was worse when she beat fit officers in a ship race.

[@Jim-Mc]

Seven of Nine talking about Voyager being her home at the fleet museum in ST Picard was also more emotional than the entire Discovery series and it was shameless fan service.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Remember when Janeway went back in time just so she could save Chakotay from the heartbreak of losing seven, only for her to turn out gay. 😂

[@Mrs.Grave5433]

Burnham was so powerful she transcended needing a show.

[@docsavage8640]

And STD transcended needing an audience years ago

[@Prence]

The woman that played the main character wasn’t that great on TWD, c as my figure out how she got her own show. She’s not a great actress.

[@jrobertlysaght]

Discovery will not stand the test of time for no other reason than how dated it will feel with all the 'Whedonesque talk. I'm trying to imagine the original Star Trek with 'modern audience' expressions of the time it was made. "Kirk: " Hey man, that nebula is far out." Spock:"I can dig it, jack." Kirk: "Scotty, it would be groovy if you could give us warp speed." Scotty: "Get real, man."

[@MerlosTheMad]

it aint over till they think theyve won

[@noneyabidness9644]

Then it'll never be over. Because they will never win, nor feel like they've won.

[@han3wmanwukong125]

@@noneyabidness9644 And even if they do win, they'll still feel like losers on the inside

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

I managed 5 episodes of series 1. Just appalling .

[@jfndfiunskj5299]

I noped out half way through the 6th.

[@catsofsherman1316]

That's 4 more than I watched

[@svensmith1991]

I think I managed 3 but that was a struggle

[@Rahab84]

I looked at the cover of the DVD, in a second hand shop. Then got hungry and well food

[@lupaswolfshead9971]

The purple not klingons was my fuck this shit moment.

[@Aikurisu]

Honestly, I'd rather just watch that one scene again where Quark and Garak are discussing the vile nature of root beer. It had better writing than all of Discovery.

[@WillCamx]

I'd rather watch The way to Eden or Spock's Brain or even the STNG episode where Crusher has an affair with a ghost, (was it Sub Rosa) than any five minutes of this abomination.

[@Colin_]

Its insidious Just like the Federation Gods i loved the dialogue in DS9.

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@WillCamx Hey, *The Way to Eden* is a terrific episode!

[@odysseusrex5908]

@@Colin_ Yes, historians say they used to have this skill, now lost. It was called "writing".

[@RachelWeick-iq4fr]

​@@Colin_let's just hope they can save us all

[@Dragblacker]

Putting all the woke "millennial/GenZ cringe" aside, NuTrek is just aesthetically unappealing. Every ship interior and building set is ugly, dark and sterile.

[@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat]

The only Star Trek show where I HATED every character. I've used this show as an example of everything not to do as a writer. I've studied dramatic writing, and done 250+ productions in a couple countries, the highlight being directing Off Broadway. Star Trek literally has scenes that come right out of my playwrighting books telling what NOT to do!

[@johnmince6311]

Look at Kirk giving Spock's eulogy and him struggling not to shed a tear. That was moving!

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

At the latest, it's where he has to pause that gets me every time.

[@GiovanniAlckmimRusso]

Or Saavik, because she kept a whole stoic posture and she couldn't kept any longer during Spock's funeral

[@Hawkmoon26933]

One of my favorite scenes in all of Star Trek.

[@angelaharris53]

Or all of Picard's emotion during his torture at the hands of the Cardassians. It all works because it's so hard-won. They literally tortured it out of him; he didn't voluntarily vomit it forth. The best emotions are the ones we know have been wrung out, not vomited.

[@chrisselner5005]

.....human​@@Dreamfox-df6bg

[@chrisoconor9314]

They're crying because no one's giving *them* a paycheck for a follow-up movie like TOS and TNG got.

[@docsavage8640]

😆 don't give them any ideas It's not like Hollywood makes movies because there's an audience for them, or to make a profit, these days

[@tonep3168]

I won’t celebrate until Kurtzman and JJ Abram’s are removed from the franchise. But the end of STD did bring a smile to my face. Gay New Worlds cancellation is hopefully not far off now.

[@GH-ub7qz]

SNW had a few C plus episodes but was basically garbage... snarky girl bosses with pike cooking and standing around as an NPC

[@Emanon...]

"Gay new worlds"? Really? You do know that Star Trek has always been the very definition of woke since TOS, right? Get your head out of your ass, you privileged infant.

[@RockOfLions]

Edit OP: replace word 'franchise's with 'timeline'

[@Bland-79]

Don't count on it. The age of cinema is done along with Americana and the nuclear family. The world will soon go into a dark age at the rate things are going.

[@GH-ub7qz]

@@Bland-79 the leftist dream ...save the planet with massive depopulation

[@maddlarkin]

I hadn't thought about it before, but I think the over the top emotion is a result of the world these writers and actors live in, it's a bit like Soviet Russia where everyone would sing the national anthem as loudly as possible as even the hint you weren't singing as loudly as everyone else would get you reported to the NKVD, here every writer and actor must as loudly as possible repeat every talking point, display maximum emotion at every celebration or protest and vehemently denounce whatever comes up on X or risk getting cancelled by their peers, if they don't deniunce hard enough or show enough joy at someones stunning and brave declaration they will be cast out, that I suspect is why the emotion in things like STD is so over stated and fake, it's how they actually have to live...

[@johnhafford1970]

Fans can remembe eps from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT but no one can remember any DISC eps because no one cared.

[@RevanR]

"That's it, man! Game over, man! Game over!"

[@Deridus]

Why do I feel the need to wake up Hicks?

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Hudson waa short

[@michaelotoole1807]

we're in some pretty shit! now man!

[@derekmcmanus8615]

My late father had a terrible habit of watching things over the top of his newspaper...halfway through Aliens he folded the newspaper and watched the show

[@greendog4297]

At least we still have TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT to fall back upon. No matter how many lore revisions are made, no matter how much attitude adjustment is preached, we still have hard copies of Roddenberry's original vision to entertain and inspire us.

[@allank534]

Amen to that!!

[@jasonschlierman412]

Don’t forget the first ten films and TAS. So much REAL Star Trek, I’m not hurting.

[@logangodofcandy]

Lol you mean the first 8 movies? 9 and 10 sucked.

[@michaelotoole1807]

@@logangodofcandy star trek 5 ,9,10 sucked.

[@baronvg]

Goddamn, so Enterprise got a backhanded bitch slap to the face in TWO series finales??

[@TheAngryYumm]

They keep being mean to enterprise and it makes me sad. That series was so great in showing that time before the fleet fully came about. I love the interactions of all the characters and the way they built up.

[@quailstudios]

The Next Generation... my wife gave me DVD's of all 7 seasons as Christmas gifts. We are watching them again. Really good series. We have never watched any of the other series after that. They never seemed like Star Trek to us. I watched the original series when it first came out and that was cool. TNG was good most of the time. The Star trek movies with the original cast were good overall. That's it for us.

[@FalkZad]

WTF! This can't be real? Five years?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@brianburton1843]

The ST: Voyager episode Homestead, though not the series finale, did have a good character finale. As Neelix left Voyager for the last time. In a show of friendship Mr Tuvok taps his foot back and forth. Fulfilling Neelix's wish to have him dance one time before they part ways.

[@gizbot9366]

It was surprisingly sad to see Neelix leave and it meant he never got to see Earth. He was part of the mission to get there almost the entire time, so I still don't really know why they wrote him leaving right before the series ended. He spent a lot of time learning Earth food, history, etc. Jeez.

[@JanetDax]

I love Star Trek, so I watched The Orville instead of STD.

[@ajmittendorf]

Seeing Discovery end after five LONG years is something like watching a turd spin five times around the toilet bowl before finally disappearing down the drain.

[@logangodofcandy]

5 million times, maybe.

[@BajaTym]

Greatest comment of all time!!

[@jeffreybarton1297]

Except not so entertaining, and more nauseating than the toilet whirlpool.

[@ajmittendorf]

@@jeffreybarton1297 😅😂🤣

[@troffle]

You forget the multiple flushing attempts.

[@H1Guard]

In First Contact, they made Zephram Cochrane into an idiot who didn't actually invent warp drive. They even put him in a Jughead cap. After that, I never watched a ST:TNG movie in theaters. Enterprise was one gigantic retcon. It was a huge mistake to even attempt a prequel. I cought a few episodes by accident. Disco is way worse.

[@jaythomas3224]

I NEVER got passed episode 3 of Enterprise. Discovery captivated me Along with it's Legion of NEW YOUNG FANS 😉

[@bonzairob]

He did invent it, the Borg tried to destroy it and the Enterprise crew fixed it up. The stuff about convincing him that he was a major historic figure was daft, but he would have made the flight if it weren't for time travel, and he'd have ended up the same person!

[@MaskedMan66]

You need to watch it again. What do you think was "retconned" in _Enterprise?_

[@splawnrobert]

When i found out that that elderly actor with the glasses was director David Cronenberg, l about flipped shit ! Cronenberg is a classic sci fi movie director! "'SCANNERS"' "'THE FLY"' "' NAKED LUNCH "' "'VIDEO DROME"'

[@KiltedCritic]

Absolutely criminal this series had a longer run than TOS did.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

And Enterprise, which really grows with each season.

[@shawntco]

The characters in Discovery tend to be emotionally immature, and I think that's a reflection of our society. For people to love it means they emotionally connect with it. Which means they probably have that same level of emotional immaturity. There's been this big push the last decade or so for mental health awareness and acceptance. It's permeated through Western culture. And while it's not inherently bad, I think Discovery is the result of the idea that mental/emotional hurt should be openly expressed and, I daresay, celebrated. Not realizing how inappropriate it is for the kinds of situations Starfleet officers find themselves in. I think us fans of classic Trek dislike it because, for starters, we're more emotionally mature. Or at least, we aspire to the emotional maturity of the older Trek shows. I want to be around people like those found on Picard's Enterprise. I want to be one of those people. I want that stoicism and yes, even that emotional self-regulation. Discovery does not seem suited for people like me.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

A show written by brats for brats featuring brats in space.

[@SubtleStair]

It wasn't made for you. Or me.

[@kc9937]

I watched the first season, gave the show a chance, never went back. I'll keep watching the oldies when I need my fix.

[@Zimionz]

The TNG episode "Lessons" showed perfectly why some emotional distance is necessary between a commanding officer and his/her subordinates. At some point you might have to send them on dangerous missions, or even to certain death to save the ship. And you won't be able to do that if the person in question is your lover or best friend. And as a subordinate, you'd want your commanding officer to be self-confident and emotionally detached, to make the best decisions for the ship, not for himself and the people close to him.

[@SharreIWright]

Ooops I really did do it again Britney didn't have that Davros microphone! I've just checked her Greatest Hits DVD. Why would they have Geordie's Hair Band Visor? Why would they have props? they're not really props they're actually supposed to be in the Star Trek universe actual personal effects! NOSTALGIA!!!!!! slapping you in the face lol

[@peterkrochmalni673]

“Star Trek discovery did five seasons.” HOW!!!

[@tonygreenfield7820]

Not just how. Why!

[@logangodofcandy]

Communism meant to destroy our culture in order to undermine it and replace it with their own.

[@DivergentDroid]

Wikipedia breaks it down like this - Star Trek: Discovery premiered on September 24, 2017, on CBS and CBS All Access. The rest of the 15-episode first season was released weekly on All Access until February 2018. The 14-episode second season was released on All Access from January to April 2019, and the 13-episode third season ran from October 2020 to January 2021. The 13-episode fourth season was released on Paramount+ from November 2021 to March 2022, and the 10-episode fifth and final season was released from April to May 2024. - See.. none of us saw it because it was not on regular tv (whatever passes for regular tv these days)

[@jameydunne3920]

For what it's worth, even though TOS only lasted 3 seasons, I think there are still more overall episodes of it. One of the reasons shows didn't last as long in the past, in addition to less channels upping most shows overall quality, was one season of an American show was a failure that season of it was shorter than 12 episodes. In the current streaming age, that's starting to be a long season.

[@colinconnolly892]

I also wanted to add that Dave Cullen and the Critical Drinker are my favorite movie reviewers on KZbin!!

[@AAjax]

CERN... Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should!

[@michaeltanner1351]

It's bad fan fiction written by children.

[@ricogoldstar]

What you leave behind DS9, one of the best trek series endings ever... warm, and heart felt, but not over the top dramatic or sappy.

[@shadowone01x99]

I agree🤝👍🤝

[@BRR42922]

I tried to watch it but as a straight white guy I could not identify with it because I could not see myself in the show.

[@nashf5925]

even as a non-white, the pandering and wokeism is disgusting.

[@docsavage8640]

Is there any member of the TDS crew who wouldn't have been expelled from Starfleet Academy for insubordination and/or failing to pass the psychological tests? Surely none of them could get a security clearance due to past or present mental, emotional, or personality disorders.

[@GH-ub7qz]

yep...they may pass muster as lower enlisted in the air Force, would never make e5

[@Deridus]

... Rachael Levine.

[@All2Meme]

@docsavage8640, that was part of the plot in the TOS episode "Bread and Circuses", Merrick/Merikus had failed a psycho-simulator test at the Academy, and was discharged because of it. Kurtzman Trek has basically turned Starfleet into Beverly Hills 90210 IN SPACE.

[@77dris]

@@Deridus Hahah, true that eh.

[@Deridus]

@@77dris I would say it's low hanging fruit but... We all know that anyone who's willing to remove cherries and twigs isn't exactly going to be known for being sane. I'm not saying it's not possible... only that I have only met one out of perhaps a dozen. That particular individual does not strike me as anywhere near sane.

[@craigmacdonald7764]

Unfortunately kuntzman is still in charge of the franchise

[@docsavage8640]

So baffling how incompetence is rewarded in Hollywood

[@tonygreenfield7820]

Not what you know but who you know.....

[@craigmacdonald7764]

@@tonygreenfield7820 cause he does and he'll keep spoiling it discovery ain't trek it's an abomination

[@tbk2010]

As much I liked Buffy and especially Angel at the time, I have no doubt that Wheadon ruined a generation of writers.

[@evertonporter7887]

What did he do wrong?

[@johnhafford1970]

Dr Phlox and Bones McCoy were dope as fuck. Bashir and Crusher were great. The disco doctor was a woke price of shit!!!

[@johnhafford1970]

Don’t forget The Doctor from VOY. Funny as heck!!! “I’m a doctor, not a doorstop🤣🤣🤣

[@LEXX790]

"Terra Prime" (4x21) was the ENT final any thing else was temporal cold war propaganda.

[@mikavirtanen7029]

"These are the the Voyages" has one thing going for it. The last scene where three Enterprises make their fly-bys and three captains quote Space, The Final Frontier...gets me every time. Rest of the episode is crap, though.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@mikavirtanen7029 I don't actually mind the episode, it's something that, probably wasn't intended to be a finale before getting refitted as one...the staff and cast were almost done with the season before being told it was being canceled, so they rushed one of the incomplete ones to do it. If I remember right, the original version also made it clear near the end that it was basically, just, a fictionalized version of history that Riker had enjoyed and was using as something to get him into other captains thoughts at the time. Essentially, him trying to diffuse things...and there had been rumors that it wouldn't have been on the Enterprise, but a way to actually show the Titan using a CGI model that was supposed to be in the end of Nemesis but wasn't complete when they finished it.

[@bad-people6510]

Not to mention Daniels wasn't even an actual crew member of the Enterprise, he was infiltrating them, and I feel like I remember Daniels not even being his real name.

[@barrybend7189]

Daniel's real name is Timult Damlen.

[@rehdwolfe]

I think he was a member of Entetprise-J according to one episode of Enterprise.

[@tonygreenfield7820]

​@@rehdwolfeI thought he was also infiltrating the Ent J as well, just there showing Archer a possible future where the Federation is at war with the sphere builders.

[@MundaneGray]

@@barrybend7189Timot Danlen.

[@davidlacoste]

@@tonygreenfield7820 Indeed. IIRC, "Daniels" was from the 30th century, while the Enterprise J was from the 27th.

[@microcomic]

CBS ran the first season on CBS itself...and nobody noticed

[@skylx0812]

My sister had a look at an episode while it was free to see what all the fuss was about. She's neither here nor there when it comes to Trek but she did say what she saw was awful.

[@jameydunne3920]

Not really... It had a summer re-release run. It was always a CBS/ Paramount+ exclusive streaming show.

[@Zeoran]

We get one season of GOOD Picard, but this absolute DUMPSTER FIRE gets FIVE SEASONS???? HOW IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD & HOLY DID THIS WOKE PIECE OF TRASH GET BEYOND SEASON ONE???!!!

[@quailstudios]

TV? I haven't been interested in television since the 70's. It started turning into S**t back then.. I thought.