Three Kingdom Redux is a phenomenal game. If you ever get a chance Chris to give it a go, highly recommended.
@Baploveslife7 ай бұрын
Spitting facts!
@balantudor25 күн бұрын
I only watch top 10 from Dice Tower. they brighten my day every time I watch them. The guys are funny. I love them.
@UltimateChallengeKit7 ай бұрын
I often play games with my two parents, so I appreciate this list!
@andrewgates25687 ай бұрын
This episode had some great laughs! Thank you!
@flanakookn6 ай бұрын
I freaking love Zee....love your humor sir. And the chemistry between the three of you is great. Also I think Wingspan at 3 is pretty solid
@Kruptos9523 сағат бұрын
Rising sun best at 3 is SO wild that kinda makes sense 😂 Zee is such a legend.
@anttmann61237 ай бұрын
Yes yes yes Thank you guys! I have been waiting for this one.
@JoachimErdtman7 ай бұрын
My favorites with three players: 1. Firefly: The Game 2. Glory to Rome 3. Zombicide 4. Maria 5. Pax Renaissance: 2nd edition 6. Rallyman (GT, DIRT, RX, The Climb) 7. 51st State: Ultimate Edition 8. Pax Porfiriana 9. Pax Pamir: Second Edition 10. Last Night on Earth: The Zombie Game 11. Neanderthal (Second Edition) 12. Bios: Genesis 13. Chronicles of Crime 14. Greenland (Third Edition) 15. Pax Emancipation
@ramonosuke7 ай бұрын
When I first started my group was almost exclusively three, and I felt there weren’t as many solid choices as there are nowadays. Now that group is almost always 5, which is infinitely harder to fulfill. Please make a top 10 list of Games Best with 5 players. 5 is always so hard to fill cause a four player game takes an hour and somehow bumping it up one player takes 6 hours
@calebbarton56977 ай бұрын
Scythe, Caverna, hansa Teutonica, space base, mission red planet, architects of the west kingdom
@KissellMissile7 ай бұрын
@@calebbarton5697 I would add Heat, Lancaster, Struggle of Empires if you have a long time, Power Grid, Endeavor and the GOAT El Grande. In general, Euro puzzles are not great at 5, but area control and more conflicty games are great at 5.
@calebbarton56977 ай бұрын
@@KissellMissile really want to try out lancaster
@codym63767 ай бұрын
Smartphone inc
@metallsnubben7 ай бұрын
@@KissellMissile Heat is funny cause it's great at high player counts... and great at low player counts _because_ you have the dummy cars making it "high" again
@andyharris40487 ай бұрын
My favs at 3: 1. AuZtralia 2. Samurai 3. Viticulture 4. Glory to Rome 5. Cthulhu: Death May Die 6. Raiders of Scythia 7. Anno 1800 8. Lorenzo il Magnifico 9. Tiny Epic Galaxies 10. Beyond the Sun
@jdtyler77 ай бұрын
Biblios! Yes!!!! Such a fantastic game and would be on my list for best 3 player games as well.
@gianfranco47897 ай бұрын
Bring me my tools! Lol. Zee's picks rarely align with my taste, but he's awesome.
@BrownEagle7 ай бұрын
Zombicide is best at 3 due to the dividing the 6 characters into a pair for each player
@EirikrThorvaldsson7 ай бұрын
Great list but as you guys said most games are best with 3 so I have shelves full of games that are great with 3. What we really need is an updated list of the best games to play with a group of 5.
@soogymoogi6 ай бұрын
Seconded, I'd love to hear games that are good at 5 - a lot of games cap at 4 or only include 5 as an expansion afterthought.
@stevenbonham71367 ай бұрын
Definitely agree with Chris on dune. So often my four player games just go too long. Like it both ways but three is my favorite.
@tzgardner7 ай бұрын
Great Western Trail would be my pick!
@johnunderwood49537 ай бұрын
You're right, Tom, three players seems to be the magic number for most games.
@WeAreIndividuals7 ай бұрын
Now I want a top 10 at all player counts
@Sgrand806 ай бұрын
They have a 2, 5?, 6 and for 1 you can watch mikes top 10 solo
@WeAreIndividuals6 ай бұрын
@@Sgrand80 I meant top games that play well with any combination of players, not an individual top 10 per player count
@Sgrand806 ай бұрын
@@WeAreIndividuals gotchya
@ShuffleUpandDeal325 ай бұрын
Top 10 10 player games, lol
@danielfranz694115 күн бұрын
They did one years ago. Look for „Top 10 games that scale well“.
@chillionaire71146 ай бұрын
Chris - don't let them get in your head. Dune Imperium is a top 5 game for me, and when I read the video title Dune Imperium came to mind for me. It's wild how between 3 and 4 players there are no changes to the available worker placement places. With 4 players, if all get their swordsman, you have 12 workers in a round... that's a lot for this board. I also like the combat at 3 more as well, for the reasons you mentioned.
@modemacabre7 ай бұрын
Tom is so right about Ark Nova. Two player is the worst count. Three or four are the best.
@Jagkt7 ай бұрын
Good choices ! :) The first that came to my mind was Cthulhu Death May Die, perfect for 3 players. Also: Kanban EV, The Crew, Terraforming Mars, Pax Pamir, Le Havre and Anachrony. For me, Ark Nova is perfect for 2 players.
@CarlToonist7 ай бұрын
Zee mentioned that area control games play better at 3 than 4... is it possible that area control games play an odd mumber of player better than an even number?
@michaelhall70807 ай бұрын
I always thought of San Marco as a game that is superior with 3 than any other player count. Very early and underrated design with the I pick-You choose mechanism.
@waltlock88057 ай бұрын
Xia: Legends of a Drift System (with the expansion). Absolutely brilliant at three.
@guillermoz49147 ай бұрын
I love Starcadia Quest. Last time I played with 3 though it didn’t go so well. The other 2 players would in every turn go for each other ignoring the objective. Game took forever just to loose at the end. 😔
@Gokkus877 ай бұрын
Through the Ages would definitely be near the top of my list though...
@aliomar85257 ай бұрын
Zee’s picks are 🔥 Cascadia and Parks are both tonnes of fun
@ClaudeAndTaylor7 ай бұрын
Oooo 12 chip and bottle imp!! Nice picks y'all!! I echo the robotrick mention by Mike!
@benmecfslc25067 ай бұрын
There are a lot of 3 player only games I love like Three Kingdoms Redux, Maria, Triumph and Tragedy....Then there are some heavy euros that are too long with 4 but really shine with 3... As well as some other complex games like Pax Renaissance where the game state is too busy with 4 and it is maybe too chaotic and long. My Fathers Work is too long with 4 but shines with 3. Someone else mentioned The King is Dead which is one of my favourites. I think too many games are optimised for 4 and not adapted enough to bring out the best they have to offer at 3 - but it can be a really fun player count for games.
@Mateilenberg7 ай бұрын
Maria is just a beautiful and brilliant game! Such a gem
@uziekiele7 ай бұрын
Three Kingdoms Redux is the best 3p game!
@LassePeterson7 ай бұрын
One negative w three players is that it can increase the risk of king-making. Especially in area control games.
@ponbiki317 ай бұрын
This one of the most amusing tops you all have made.
@smsix18 күн бұрын
The 20th anniversary edition of Amun-Re by Ally Cat games is fantastic at 3. It has a new variant that make it must more interesting at three than the original game.
@Animal_board_gamer7 ай бұрын
Why does Tom like Starcadia quest and seas of havoc where you are actively attacking each other, but dislikes the attack cards of Ark nova and dominion? Especially dominion where the name signifies attacking and taking over the world.
@boycebulldog7 ай бұрын
I once played a 3 player game of Ark Nova that lasted 4 hours and made me drop my score on BGG by a full point, as my eyes were opened to the fact that while technically not an engine builder, you might end up building an engine and taking a ten minute turn to min max it. Still love the game, but….
@petercsm57697 ай бұрын
Joey at the controls playing 'em off like Keyboard Cat.
@bibleboardgames7 ай бұрын
Missed the live chat... Thank you, DT! Three can work very well! Extra variety compared to 2 and quicker than 4. Maybe not a Chuonky, 3-player game of 'War'. Chirs must have been playing a side quest of 'Through the Desert' while playing 'Through the Ages', we forgive him. Mt Fantastic... you wouldn't get fat, you would just get taller until you went on a diet.
@ConeDefense7 ай бұрын
The King is Dead, to me is so glaringly #1
@trecool402 ай бұрын
Was disappointed Mike wasn’t here until I remember he only plays games by himself lol!
@ps3yt7 ай бұрын
Spirit island is a no brainer 3 player game
@pronumeral14467 ай бұрын
Seasons (by Libellud) is a great 3 player.
@RazBaz077 ай бұрын
Three amigos is life!
@eduardoguimaraes82967 ай бұрын
As Blind Melon said, Three is a magic number :)
@morrigambist7 ай бұрын
I suggest Samarkand: Routes to Riches and Brian Boru, High King of Ireland.
@SlampthChompth6 ай бұрын
7 wonders best with 3 and also one of my favorite board games. King of Tokyo works well with 3 too, very simple and fun game. Sequence with 3 works too.
@peanutchampion20087 ай бұрын
You three have such great chemistry, great segment 👍
@jackcarren87813 ай бұрын
I wish they still mentioned how they ranked their lists individually.
@kevinbhieey91887 ай бұрын
While I would not play Biblios with 4, it's a good 2-player game. You're pretty much going for three suits and you're going to have to win one of them with a very low number. And I find the dice mitigation cards way more important.
@thomashuynh33547 ай бұрын
zee always picks games i never even heard of
@jamvng2 ай бұрын
Ark Nova can definitely have those super thinky turns where it takes longer. But 2 player is still better balance imo. Worse case, you take a little longer on a turn or two, or you make a slightly less optimal turn.
@rpriske7 ай бұрын
Commenting on the opening - I think the 'best' player count for games is four.
@barryc67857 ай бұрын
I'm more excited to hear the top 10 four player games
@danielh42956 ай бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree with Gloomhaven and Dune: Imperium being best at 3. 4 is way too crowded for those games.
@htnog22 күн бұрын
10 - 12 Chip Trick / Everdell / Suburbia 9- Empire's End / Cascadia / On The Underground 8- Manhattan / Parks / The Great Wall 7- Escape Plan / Marvel United / The Bottle Imp 6- Tribes of the Wind / Paleo / Ticket to Ride (Japan) 5- Through the Desert / Deus / Seas of Havoc 4- Couture / Rising Sun / Starcadia Quest 3- Pumafiosi / San Juan / Marvel United 2- Destinies / Viceroy / Gloomhaven 1- Dune Imperium / Biblios / Ark Nova Also, I would like to remember that Heat and Earth now exist, so this list has been outdated
@Calistake0477 ай бұрын
The moment I saw this I was like, Dune Imperium has got to be on someone's list. I 100% agree with Chris that it really shines at 3, you get a more tactical experience of conflict with less downtime. It trumps 2, where you have to man the automa, and it's spicier (eheh) than 4. Ark Nova, also a very solid pick. Haven't tried it at 4 with the latest expansion yet, though.
@axétério7 ай бұрын
Lost Ruins of Arnak didn’t work for any of them? I agree with Tom on Ark Nova since many of the cards activate better with 3-4ppl playing
@mikaeki52457 ай бұрын
It's sad that the political atmosphere in the U.S. is so tense, that even mentioning one of the parties shuts everyone up. Great list !
@soogymoogi6 ай бұрын
Spirit Island is great at 3. I know a lot of people prefer it at 2 but I prefer 3 because it opens up more interesting spirit combos. There's some spirits which are really hard to justify pairing up or even playing at 2
@olivierjodoin22837 ай бұрын
I own both Biblios and San Juan as games I bought early on ehike discovering the hobby. They were both first in mind for this list. And I agree 3p is pretty much the best player count. A lot of games don't scale well for 2p and are too long at 4p.
@dblevins3437 ай бұрын
Ironically I think 3 is much harder than 2 or 4.
@Keldroc7 ай бұрын
How is half the comment section not about "squirrelly durlies"? I have no idea how to even spell that, and google has ZERO results for it. Chris and Zee seem to just accept it after clarification of "durlies" versus "dirties." I thought I knew every nickname for a cockroach in existence but this is completely new to me.
@JoeyjojoShabadoo77 ай бұрын
7:00 “They’re hiding their shame!” 😂🤣
@virgilalighieri71927 ай бұрын
I feel like Tom says "Fire" in every other Top 10 video lol
@Solmyr147 ай бұрын
The list at the end shows Tom's #9 to be Divinity Original Sin, but that's not what was recorded. Did he call an audible or is the list just wrong?
@Officegamecafe7 ай бұрын
12 Chip Trick! Preach it Chris!! And get Tom and Zee to play this one, it’s great!
@blitzboardgaming98667 ай бұрын
Would definitely suggest Maria too! Have you guys ever tried playing Maria before? 😁
@joelr23027 ай бұрын
With Mr Fantastic, he is also able to stretch his brain power, so I feel like that adds to his abilities
@ShuffleUpandDeal325 ай бұрын
Why did number 6 cut off Tom? lol
@DeltaDemon17 ай бұрын
44 Magnum is a revolver canon
@rgoresjr7 ай бұрын
Bunny Kingdom
@JosephFlemming7 ай бұрын
Everdell farshore totally replaces the original. Suburbia setup is so painful that I culled it from my collection. On the Underground didn’t jive with us either.
@robertcrist1247 ай бұрын
The game, complexity and some other aspects affect the “right” player count but I think my general game player count tier list 4, 3, 5, 6, 2, 1
@dago64104 ай бұрын
Best 3 player game (and also thr ebst board game in existence) is Mission Red Planet.
@Dynorider20014 ай бұрын
i would say viticulture is best at 3...enough to get the bonus and still have room to place stuff.
@DrakkanWoW7 ай бұрын
100% Dune Imperium... I couldn't agree more!
@alonpilberg127 ай бұрын
My issue with this list is that a lot of it seemed to be an exercise in "what works best at 3 players and not in other player counts". But...I want a list of games that work well at 3 *and* are also good. Seeing as 3 is basically the "best" player count (as said at the start of the video) - this list should really all be top 100 games. Especially for Chris that's clearly not the case.
@thedicetower7 ай бұрын
I picked games I'm most excited about to play at 3 players, that's about all. Some are great at other player counts and some aren't, but that's all. -Chris
@danielvonankh6 ай бұрын
Why is the top 10 list for three player games so different from the generic player count lists? Most games on BGG are suggested to be played with 3 players already.
@barry_t3 ай бұрын
I hope "the King is Dead" is on the list. it says 2 or 4 can play, but OMG is it best with 3
@kurtwolffjr97273 ай бұрын
I believe The Witcher Old World is a great 3 player game
@Firion2.06 ай бұрын
I think with this group it might be better to do a top 10 games that say they work with 3 but actually dont.
@the_fandom_menace7 ай бұрын
43:29 Chris (sorry if already commented but I didn’t see it) there’s a revolving tri-cannon in a movie, I think in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise
@thomascocks91367 ай бұрын
Maria, dandelions, xia, Ark Nova are games ill only play at 3p
@Proximityillusions7 ай бұрын
I’ve always loved Smash Up at three players. Four-player games just take too much time, and with so many cards on the table it’s really hard to keep all the rules straight,
@thedicetower7 ай бұрын
That's a great pick. I didn't choose it because I'd prefer to play all my other games, but no doubt 3p is the best player count! -Chris
@youperguy6 ай бұрын
Arc Nova at 3 is perfect.
@nuuqbgg7 ай бұрын
It's hard to believe that none of them have played The King is Dead. On the other hand, it's even harder to believe that if they have played it, it didn't make on this list. Ultimate 3 player game for me.
@uziekiele7 ай бұрын
I forgot about this one. Probably my #2!
@aggrowall42347 ай бұрын
Lol, Zee has a review of it, so I guess you're on that other hand. 😂
@nuuqbgg7 ай бұрын
@@aggrowall4234 yup, forgot about that review. Weird. I usually feel as these lists are just for the show, and then I realize that they are 😂 For instance, top 10 game designers, 3 of them, no Felds 😆
@davidfavre61457 ай бұрын
The King is dead at three is the only configuration that i want to play that game. Lignum is great at three, all the lacerda that I have played are great at three too. However i strongly disagree with Tom on Ark Nova, definitely a two players game ! And Dune Imperium is better at four, cause there more tension.
@Noobwater7 ай бұрын
I spent this entire video unboxing and sorting a feast for odin, thanks!
@JonReid017 ай бұрын
No way you did that in an hour! 😂
@thedicetower7 ай бұрын
What a task! Glad we kept you company during this trying time.
@phillipheaton98326 ай бұрын
Cutthroat games do not work at three. They always devolve into two against one, then the two fight it out after the one has been functionally eliminated.
@chrisstandifer54927 ай бұрын
How is La Havre not on this?
@arekkrolak63204 ай бұрын
since almost all games can be played at 3 this is just a top 10 games list :)
@bonniemacpherson77427 ай бұрын
Bastille. It only plays at 3 or 4, and both are good, but I think it’s best at 3.
@Mike_James7 ай бұрын
Tidal Blades In Too Deep
@LuckyBastard77 ай бұрын
Biblios is best with 2, I think, but 3 is good too
@TheGiraffehead7 ай бұрын
Interesting that Chris said that a main accusation of Lacerda games is the flimsy thematics. I understand theme is a weakness in general for heavy euros, but one of the main praises I see of Lacerda games and the reason people love his designs so much is his ability to mix theme into the mechanics. I'm assuming Chris was just making a flippant retort to Zee's remark.
@thedicetower7 ай бұрын
Yes, I was just making a silly response to Zee because I find most Lacerda designs to be thematic! We were then derailed by Tom giggling at silly things in the chat 🙂
@MrTravolta77 ай бұрын
Actually i think Escape Plan is the least thematic game of Vital. Who’s going pick up money throughout the city after robbing something?? Doesn’t make much sense. However it’s still thematic.
@thedicetower7 ай бұрын
I always view the game as "I stashed away my earnings in different places to keep people off my trail. I didn't expect the police to close in so quick so I had to grab what I could and skip town."
@Jonnie_Darko7 ай бұрын
I just bought Ark Nova and am currently reading the rulebook. It will most likely just be my wife and I playing. Are we going to be able to fully enjoy it?
@janusthede427 ай бұрын
69,4% says yes on BGG. So no worries 😊
@jenaparsons7 ай бұрын
I’ve only played at 2 with my husband and we love it
@inesgarcia95797 ай бұрын
I play it at both 2 and 3 players and had an equal amount of fun at both player counts!
@Jonnie_Darko7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! We're playing it tomorrow for the first time
@joshuamiller9793Ай бұрын
Ark Nova is best at 2. Totally disagree with Tom on this. It's more competitive at 2, you have more control. The game is very skill intensive, meaning the better player typically wins. Ark Nova is strongly better at 2.