Prince Caspian ~ Lost in Adaptation

Was Disney's second adaptation of The Chronicles of Narnia loyal to the book it's based on by C.S. Lewis?
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[@leshyaedawnfire]

Something you didn't mention but I loved was the reveal by Aslan that Reepicheep and the other talking mice are actually direct descendants of the mice that chewed off the ropes binding Aslan after the White Witch killed him in the first book, and that they gained the ability to talk BECAUSE of that act. It's a really nice touch!

[@alanpennie8013]

Reepicheep is my fave among the talking beasts.

[@allymog5228]

@@alanpennie8013 😢 Reepicheep; he's in a better place now

[@gurglequeen433]

@@allymog5228 He's not dead!

[@aprylrittenhouse4562]

Maybe you can show us your novel sometime huh.

[@autumbreeze1129]

I actually had forgotten that detail myself

[@diabolicalflowerchild]

This is why I have subscribed, to hear phrases like "Fur Jesus" - the Dom never disappoints.

[@IISheireenII]

You should follownhim on twitter then, where he revealed he originally wanted to say "furry jesus" as in having fur but realized Aslan is literally a Jesus fursona :D

[@sonorasgirl]

I know right? Fur Jesus fic is my new favorite description of the chronicles of Narnia

[@violetsapphire952]

Ok, so I was really in love with the Spanish Telmarines cause I was like "OH! They're clearly descended from the crew of a Spanish pirate ship! That's clever!"

[@joselocalau123]

fun little fact: Damián Alcázar, the one who stabs the evil uncle, was his own voice actor for the latin american spanish dub!

[@SCWRMComms]

Generally, foreign actors tend to voice themselves for their country's dub. Sergio Castellito and Pierfrancesco Favino voiced themselves for the italian dub. -Teo

[@magdavillafuerte505]

Personally i don't like the idea of spanish actors for a different reason, as any serious historian could argue that it's a part of the spanish black legend, that is, a tendency in anglo saxon culture to portray spanish people negatively because of propaganda made during the reign of elizabeth i.

[@abronanimation8671]

i thought he was super memorable in this and gave a great deal of weight to his limited character!

[@melaniev9446]

That Men in Tights reference was beautiful, perfect in fact.

[@lemontales5859]

Agreed, considering that exactly what I thought of when he mentioned the shallow pass.

[@LordSvzklx]

“The worst thing that happened to the Saxons was the nobles needed to learn French and cut down on the slavery a bit.” Dom, I really think you need to look up ‘the Harrying of the North’...

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

Even the Pope was pissed for that one!

[@skeletonpark7828]

I was just thinking this exact thing,

[@klausgerken1905]

Came to say this exact thing.

[@defenderofmen]

Also the English nobles didn't just "have to learn French", but actually had their lands seized and given to Frenchmen.

[@BrianS1981]

Some,the largest land owners at the end of the Norman period were still Anglo-Saxon, those who refused to fight at Hastings.

[@ars10001]

"the perfect knight! The redeemed one! The true believer! and.......SUSAN!" that made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video

[@dulcimerrafi]

Same.

[@MariaVosa]

*Clears throat* Um, actually Dom, the White Witch *is* a transdimentional being! She was one of the Sorcerer Queens of the ancient city of Cham - awakened by accident in the prequel "The Sorcerer's Nephew" and who escaped into Narnia.

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

The…magicians nephew 😊☺️

[@laurelelasselin]

Sorry to be that one person but *transdimensional *Charn *The Magician's Nephew

[@wartgin]

Is this one of those different titles (or translations) in different countries things?

[@XxstardropzdreammxX]

When I saw that this was newest episode, I was so freaking excited because I was OBSESSED with this movie when I was 13. Mainly because I thought it was a good movie but also because I had a crush on the actor that played Edmund. I even watched the movie w/ the cast commentary and the behind the scenes making of it. I like the darker feel of the movie as it feels like a natural progression of age; it reminds me a little of the 3rd & 4th Harry Potter films in that way. I have such fond memories about these movies and I haven't watched Prince Caspian in so long so I'm going to have to now. I also really love the Powerpuff Girl references 😂 Edit: I do remember that they filmed the scene with Susan teaching the Narnians archery before battle at some point, and Caspian coming up & they have some sort of dialogue that was suppose to kind of establish they liked each other or something similar but was cut.

[@quillfeather6624]

Who’s curious about when The Dom is going to do a lost in adaptation for Good Omens?

[@crystalraf]

Fur Jesus and Friends, can’t say I’ve ever heard of a better alternative title for the Narnia books.

[@Tarabara]

My dad got my mom the BBC movie versions of the books when we were kids for Mother's Day. My sister and I watched them all the time.

[@chauncie8201]

Exciting!!! I’m glad to see a return to the adaptation videos!

[@CrystallynRose]

That PPG song at the end was amazing...especially since they were referenced earlier in the video!

[@trisharaichatterjee2578]

I’m going up on my summer vacation days towards the cold season like when it’s becoming late August early September and the temperatures are getting a little more colder. They would play this. It was also a movie that would just play on the weekends on the Disney Channel channel. Especially around Christmas time, I’ve lost track how many times I’ve watched it probably somewhere in range of a few hundred times. I love everything about this series so I have to read the other novels. And this series is something. I also have sentimental value with as I would regularly quite frequently. Talk about this and David Copperfield with my grandfather. God rest his soul I miss him dearly, though he’s more of a Lord of the rings fan I very fondly remember me and my Poppy having the most entertaining debates about who is better J.R.R. Tolkien or CS Lewis!? Sorry Poppy, but I will still stand on the hill of CS Lewis! For life !

[@SociaCin]

I have missed these. I'm going to be honest I really much preferred this film over it's predecessor, though that might just be because of the battles? There's still a few nitpicks like the casual sexism, Susan of course has to get the hots for Caspian because he's Ben Barnes, Aslan testing the kid's belief even though they know he's real because they've met him, etc. I would have to assume Caspian isn't 26 in the film though lol. With Peter vs the bullies, they were certainly looking to start a fight. These kids had to go through puberty twice. Good reading of Peter though.

[@catherinemorrill4017]

I took the test of faith as more trust that god has not forsaken you (not seen for a millennia, didn’t stop the invasion), than god doesn’t exist. None of the kids say he’s not real, just wonder if he’ll show up.

[@SociaCin]

@@catherinemorrill4017 That's fair, still awkward insert either way. And it does make you wonder why exactly Aslan never helped out -_-

[@catherinemorrill4017]

A fair question. But one that religious people have to deal with. Why didn’t god stop “insert atrocity or disaster of your choice”? So a reasonable theme for a Christian story even if the answer just seems to be the standard “Asian works in mysterious ways” cop out.

[@SociaCin]

@@catherinemorrill4017 The beauty of such awkward questions is it's not on me to answer them.

[@TheIskender101]

Firstly, love the video! Always a pleasure to see you break down C. S. Lewis’ works. BUT I will have to be that guy and just say that the Telmarines come from Telmar, not Telmarine 😬

[@silergal9994]

I always thought Caspian was supposed to be around the same age as peter

[@Kyra-qn3nh]

I thought so too!

[@leahlozer1958]

Really living for the long hair dude and great video as always!

[@DragonDancer]

This movie came out when I was in high school and started my obsession with Ben Barnes.

[@JeniJustJeni]

Have you seen Dorian Gray?

[@DragonDancer]

@@JeniJustJeni you bet I have! Easy Virtue is my favorite Ben Barnes movie though.

[@huey6248]

I really do love this movie, such a brilliant adaptation and i honestly feel all the changes made were for the better. This story isn't really an easy one to adapt to film I imagine.

[@damiansaturday6788]

To me, the whole depth of the river seeming shallow thing was because, 1.there was a GIANT water god blocking the river and 2. There was a giant WATER god blocking the river

[@peglamphier4745]

I enjoy the work and thought you put into these videos. Thanks!

[@Disthron]

14:11 *Aged UP* Wow, he was in his 20's. I would have guessed late teens. Like 17-18 or something.

[@eastonlaskey6825]

"No shes just a c*nt." "Oh dear!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@happyllama1160]

You made an error at 0:21. He was not English. CS Lewis was actually born in Belfast, Ireland (now Northern Ireland) and grew up there until he was sent to boarding school in England. He did get a degree in Oxford which I imagine is where the confusion comes from and if you just see the word British I know some people can jump to conclusions. We have a square dedicated to him in Belfast and there are trails you can walk through and there's a reading room in one of the universities (Queen's which Lewis' father attended). It's an easy mistake to make if you're not sure about the difference between English, British and Irish but it is quite a serious mistake to make. I know you probably don't read the comments, especially since you posted this last week, but I really enjoy your videos and I know that sometimes mistakes can be made while researching.

[@farkasmactavish]

My biggest gripe about this movie is that it seems like nobody who made it was aware that armor is supposed to WORK.

[@michaelfutch2598]

"And Susan's also there, I guess." 😂

[@tayloredwards4968]

Please do How to Train Your Dragon next

[@absolite6]

A classic case of "in name only" but both surprisingly offer excellent stories in different ways.

[@cmae03]

I'm pretty sure Peter and Susan being "too old" to come back was an allegory for the time. Back when these books were written, it was looked down upon to be into fairytales, roleplaying, fantasy, etc if you were older than 13(?) and not a "grandparent" (basically under 60) c.S Lewis actually mentions this in a dedication thing to his goddaughter (niece? Granddaughter?) Lucy, stating she had grown too old to enjoy the story he'd written, but hoped she would read it again when she became "old enough" for fairytales again. Kind of a "coming of age" thing for the time.

[@Galvatronover]

different times Because now anyone can get into a diverse amount of mediums regardless of age

[@s.m.2523]

Truth be told the whole thing would probaly be a lot more heartwarming and hit less hard if you know... The last battle and Susan being let out of Aslan's kingdom. "It's good to grow up and leave children storries behnd ... but don't row up into a hussy who likes long hairs and parties !" yeah,yeah I doubt Lewis had any idea of what he would writte must later when he was writing Prince Caspain. And I'm aware the sexism and moralism is nothing nothing exceptionnal for the times but it still hits a bit different for a modern reader, y'know ?

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@s.m.2523 Susan's story wasn't that. It was actually that Susan drifted from the 'faith', so to speak, which CS Lewis himself did in his own life. And then he came back to it. CS Lewis confirmed that Susan would too, but that such a book would be more grown up than what he'd want to write, so he encouraged others to write their own ideas of how it would go.

[@JenInOz]

Pretty sure I read a fanfic about how Susan deals with the deaths of her parents and siblings in a train crash (in The Last Battle).

[@farkasmactavish]

Lewis was too immature to understand that you can't outgrow something you enjoy.

[@msnorringtonsims6536]

I think where they were going with Susan is similar to what they did with Peter: like her brother, she grew into a woman in Narnia. She was known as a desirable queen with numerous suitors. She spent years being courted by grown men who had their shit together. Then suddenly she was a little girl again being hit on by little boys who could barely talk straight. Susan already had a difficult time relating with her peers before Narnia. Afterward, it was made so much worse. Caspian would have been appealing to her compared to normal boys. Accepting her reality is part of her arc. She says as much to Lucy when asked whether she’s pleased to be back “I was just getting used to not being in Narnia.” And her further comments imply that she’s afraid to settle in because she hasn’t any idea how long it’ll last this time. So I think the film makers were trying to further explore how disruptive their Narnian adventure had actually been. Especially on the oldest children. Likely why Aslan told them it was their last trip.

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

Jesus not-allegory saying, that he only wants to let in the unsupervised children, for unspecified amount of (subjective) time, that he would take on adventures, which can cause provable mental harm. Good stuff

[@Mockthenerd]

If I was a powerful adult king with loads of female companions I'd also be pretty pissed if I was sent back to being a teenager is 1940s England. I mean that sucks.

[@ShadowWingTronix]

@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 I think the point, as seen in other children's stories, is that the more we grow up the harder it is to accept the whimsical fantasy of places like Narnia as "logic" clouds our ability (for most of us anyway) to imagine. If I may point to the Bible, Jesus does say that we should come to God like a child, open to believing and accepting without cynicism. As a Christian allegory/inspired story and in usual kids story fashion that could be why Peter and Susan are deemed too old by the end.

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

@@ShadowWingTronix Which is *not* how logic _or_ imagination work, by the way. :) My original comment is facetious on purpose. For the sake of interesting story and logic, the adaptation makes some things worse in terms of logic.

[@ShadowWingTronix]

@@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 No, but it is how those stories are written. Imagination in Hollywood died years ago. I watch Paw Patrol now and then so I can accept more than the average adult. :)

[@quinnsinclair7028]

I feel like there's a joke to be made about the only two consistently casts dwarfs in hollywood fighting to the death.

[@LaFemmeFictionale]

I'd say there can be only one, but the entire cast of dwarf actors from Mirror, Mirror are just waiting for their chance.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Religious Fanfic indeed. Sadly. I assume the Last Books, who totally ruined the franchise, will probably never be turned into a movie.

[@low-fatmilklove1187]

@@slevinchannel7589okay, so I’m currently going through a list of books I wanted to read as a child but couldn’t afford to (currently going through Alexander’s Chronicles of Prydain) with the Narnia books being on my list. Is there any spoiler free way you could tell me why those books turn you off? Just curious.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@low-fatmilklove1187 I dont know. Generally speaking, the Religious bias was 'a tad' too much in the first books, but generally fine. But then the Author just ruined his Show by pumping this up to Level 1 Million... I dont know what to say: People just say that the last Book/s dont 'feel' AT ALL, like Narnia anymore. Like a different Franchise or so.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@low-fatmilklove1187 I dont know what to say: People just say that the last Book/s dont 'feel' AT ALL, like Narnia anymore. Like a different Franchise or so.

[@AlphabetSoup3000]

'Now he's just there, not betraying people for Turkish Delight' -- probably my favorite line. I actually liked Edmund the most of all the original children, but I am a sucker for a good redemption arc.

[@elizabethashley42]

Edmund was always my favorite too, same reason.

[@jillianlutes152]

I just love him because he had actual character growth. His is the only one that actually seems to grow in any meaningful way.

[@apocalypsepreventionagency]

I'm writing a comic, and I named one of the characters after Edmund because he was meant to kinda suck. But now he's become the main protagonist and he's a sweet baby precious cinnamon roll, so vicariously I am also a fan of Edmund from Narnia now.

[@MVahag]

To be fair 10 minutes into a completely new world is not nearly enough to work out who's right and who's wrong in a local conflict. People can't manage to do that for real countries for years. So I never really got it why it was considered a treason in the first place. He was thrown into a new world, met a seemingly nice person, was promised a crown and joined her side immediately, EXACTLY the same thing the other children did.

[@AlphabetSoup3000]

@@MVahag I think that's part of why I always liked him, I would have done the same thing.

[@taniahylian3799]

I actually thought that casting an older Caspian was a clever choice. I mean, Peter is struggling with knowing he was an adult *and* a king, and now he's just a teenager. For him, Caspian is the inexperienced one and so he doesn't trust in his decisions and fights with him all the time. Meanwhile, Caspian sees these supposed kings and queens as just teens and so doesn't fully trust them himself.

[@marinaschulz3183]

@Stella Hohenheim one direction was formed like two years after the Prince Cáspian movie came out though

[@maliceruppert]

I was 16 when this movie came out and I have still not quite gotten over the massive crush on Ben Barnes that it caused, so I just cannot take any issue with the casting.

[@ralphjb]

Not having read the books when I first saw it, I always assumed Caspian was like 17-19. Never knew Barnes was fucking 26 at the time. Lol. But I'm pretty sure late teens-looking Caspian is what they were shooting for rather than having him be a full adult.

[@JR-sx3gl]

@@ralphjb I thought the same. I thought they aimed for 17 years old and I was convinced.

[@miam.9119]

@@ralphjb Yes, I think that is what they meant because if the kiss happened between a teen and an adult would be a bit of a problem (Anna Popplewelll was 20 and Ben Barnes was 27 by the film release). Which makes his inexperience and naivety at the start understandable. I think Dom thought that the actors’ age was same as the characters, but Hollywood always casts actors who are older than teenagers, so... I don’t know why he didn’t think that.

[@maxdrive007]

One thing I noticed you left out was in the book Edmund still regrets his actions in the first book because when they get their gifts from father Christmas they ask Edmund where are yours and he has to explain that he didn't get any due to his betrayal

[@kendraressler4497]

It also demonstrates that despite the redemption there can be blessings (whether it be things or events) that one misses out. This doesn't detract the redemption arc itself, but it does show that one can miss out when they put themselves and their selfish desires above others.

[@maxdrive007]

@@kendraressler4497 that's why Edmund and ustice are my favorite characters due to their redemption. It made them both better people in the end. As you learn more from your mistakes.

[@RelativelyBest]

Honestly, Edmund is pretty much the best character out of the kids. I wish they'd leaned in more to the implication that he was the one who had to do the most growing up. The White Witch summoning scene is the highlight of the movie.

[@JenInOz]

One thing I loved about this movie was the incorporation of Edmund's interest in aerial battles and The Blitz into the Narnian battle using gryphons.

[@farkasmactavish]

​@@kendraressler4497It absolutely detracts from it. Why should anybody want to seek redemption if it gains you nothing?

[@shebjess]

Dom: "The noble knight, the redeemed hero, the true believer......" Me: "And Peggy!"

[@august1837]

Hey, and peggy is my favorite character archetype 😂

[@ApequH]

@@august1837 Work work

[@PerfectKirby]

“...she’s new.”

[@autobotstarscream765]

And Steven!

[@cathalhughes5996]

I really liked the white witch scene showing how Peter was tempted to bring back the witch in some kind of messed up way to bring back the old glory of narnia while it's Edmund who destorys that chance of her return

[@LucyLioness100]

That was pretty neat

[@hayleybartek8643]

Peter, who was High King: “If I bring the White Witch back, we can kill her and redo the golden age with us as kings and queens again...” Edmund, with flashbacks of Nam: “Hard pass.”

[@Zodia195]

That was my fav part in the movie, when Edmund shattered that glass lol.

[@Neko141212]

Yeah, I loved that scene. Edmund was having none of that bs xD

[@billuraral1870]

Edmund's consistent character development is one of the saving graces of the sequel movies

[@erinbailey7940]

As a young person who was also in infatuated with Ben Barnes based off looks, I find Susan’s love story VERY realistic 😅

[@low-fatmilklove1187]

I appreciate your honesty. I had it bad for Daveigh Chase when I was a preteen.

[@MistbornPrincess]

Oh my gosh, I loved him too. For this reason, when I “see” one of my characters in my novels, a good looking fella with shoulder length black hair and white billowing sleeves pops up. 😋

[@juliameyer10313]

Oh yeah. I watched themovie so many times just for him. In all honesty, I even threw a bit of shade on dawn treader because he had a beard and I didn't like that. He also had this kind of spanish-esque accent, at least in the German dub which I found attractive but mostly disappeared in the next film

[@LittleAshfairy]

I was very attracted to both Ben Barnes and the actress who plays Susan as a teen, so them making awkward eye contact was just my jam

[@ninjadude971]

@@LittleAshfairy same but god damn as an adult I have no idea how I was that attracted to Susan She has the most obnoxiously british teeth I’ve ever seen

[@gracekim25]

When you notice ASLAN is more emotive than the ‘live action’ lion king

[@LucyLioness100]

Ikr?! He is so expressive despite being close to a real lion

[@freman007]

@@LucyLioness100 But he's not a tame lion. :)

[@jupitermelichios392]

the 90s BBC animatronic Aslan is more emotive that the lione king

[@ravenpurple1527]

For real! Aslan still looks so good

[@autobotstarscream765]

Live-action Lion King is in desperate need of a visit from Aslan and some resurrections for the living-dead characters, that movie needs Lion Jesus. 🦁

[@thomasraines1396]

The way you say “HE IS JESUS!” is hilarious. Also “Susan” used to describe her was good.

[@alexissey4023]

13:10

[@slevinchannel7589]

Religious Fanfic indeed. Sadly. I assume the Last Books, who totally ruined the franchise, will probably never be turned into a movie.

[@lordofhostsappreciator3075]

@@slevinchannel7589 Seethe more fedora tipper

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 You embarass yourslef by being rude to a total stranger. To think this is ok, just cause it's online, is the mindset of an idiot. You can literally google that little fact.

[@ali6418]

Dom is 67% on his way to being an early 2000s Pride and Prejudice extra. Go for 100% Dom. You can pull it off.

[@mischr13]

yesss, I love that early 00s hair XD

[@Serenade2461]

Nobody else thinks it's looking close to (season 1) Jaime Lannister hair? I'm alone over here?

[@sarahcoleman5269]

Maybe call in Zack Pinsent for some new threads? It's a choice.

[@LoisyAbigail]

I actually liked having Caspian being the same age or even older than Peter, it creates the perfect breeding ground for conflict. They both distrust each other because Peter looks younger than he actually is and Caspian is 'inexperienced' despite being roughly the same age.

[@lillymac8610]

My English Major brain: Ah yes the analysis of Caspian and the choices made in the adaptation are fair and logical and I see where Dom is coming from with his character and arc My gremlin brain: Ben Barnes pretty...me like Ben Barnes ..good Caspian

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

Who dont like Ben Barnes?

[@ErwinPommel]

@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 The Punisher

[@jdatlas4668]

Dom seems so much happier and more sane when he isn’t being forced to review Twilight...

[@just-trying-my-best-everyday]

He does, doesn't it?

[@marioacosta-warren921]

If you are suffering from Twilight please take Narnia. Ask your doctor if Caspian is right for you.

[@absolite6]

Till the next bad series/adaptations come along.....

[@Terminalsanity]

@@absolite6 Voyage of the Dawn treader comes next what a let down...

[@absolite6]

@@Terminalsanity I haven't fully watched it but I saw parts of the beginning. Was it that bad?

[@williamozier918]

I"m surprised you didn't have "Because Lord of the Rings Did It"

[@CRSB00]

well the first movie did it and this kind of was a rehash of the first both book and movie

[@SophieHatterLeFay]

Well if any book can call itself directly influenced by the lord of the rings, it's these books. Since the lamp post is apparently a direct result of JR3 telling lewis good fantasy doesn't have lampposts and lewis goes "watch me"

[@athetopofmylungs]

@@SophieHatterLeFay also Lewis and Tolkien put each other in their books, so yeah, pretty influenced id say

[@Condorito380]

@@athetopofmylungs No shit? I dare you to tell me Tom Bombadil was Lewis. Furthermore, lie to me and tell me Ransom was based off of Tolkien from his Space trilogy.

[@CRSB00]

@@SophieHatterLeFay in hindsight I think it couldn't be helped since Tolkien and Lewis were friends

[@Psychwriteify]

This series peaked at the first line of the Voyage of the Dawn Treader: "There once was a bit named Eustace Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."

[@cuttlefishonfire7502]

I don't think Mr. Clive Staples Lewis should be insulting other people's names

[@agentofmalarkey7241]

STAPLES. i mean were his parents psychopaths?

[@AsbelLhant100]

@@cuttlefishonfire7502 I think it's because that's his name *that* he's able to do so 😂

[@RoninCatholic]

@@cuttlefishonfire7502 I think that's more why he'd relate to someone having a name worthy of mockery. I also think that middle name may have served as inspiration for naming a demon after adhesives.

[@damesayo4656]

@@cuttlefishonfire7502 I think it was not the name he was mocking. Also, that is just a humour and not very mean. It is a name folks would laugh off when you're at school and there is no denying it. Possesor of very bad name, signing off :(

[@emmae2520]

Caspian's actor was 26? Dudes I honestly thought he was 16.This is the opposite of finding out Taylor Lautner was a teenager during the filming of Twilight.

[@Eris_Norregard]

What do you mean, teenager? O_O And why does a teenager look like a bodybuilder?

[@fairycat23]

@@Eris_Norregard They required Taylor Lautner to buff up from New Moon onward. And he did it.

[@emmae2520]

@@Eris_Norregard spooky, right? both that the industry had him change his body like that AND that because they did no one knew he was a real teen and loads of grown women were thirsting for him. yikes

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@emmae2520 Well, I agree with the second part, that's kinda messed up. Even though in my country the age of consent is 15 - so I'm not prudish about teenagers being sexually active - I still think it should be only btween people who are close to each other in age, not a full adult and a teenager. There's a huge difference between a 16/20 relationship and a 16/40. O_O As for the "changing the body" part, that's just a requirement for actors and actresses in general. Sometimes they need to gain muscles, somethimes they need to gain fat, and sometimes they need to starve themselves. Just yesterday, I watched "Dallas Buyers Club" and I'm still kinda shook about how skeletal both Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto looked.

[@emmae2520]

@@Eris_Norregard You're right that it's the industry expectation, and it's one that when people say the expectation should be changed, I agree with them. (Obviously I have no power there, personally, so my support helps no one but you know) We applaud the drastic ways people change their bodies for a role, and it is impressive, but it's also dangerous in a way that feels not worth it. Starving and dehydrating yourself so your muscle definition or your ribcage shows up on camera or whatever the role calls for, it's just as bad to me as pop idols who forgo sleep until they pass out from exhaustion on stage and do drugs just to stay awake. I'd rather actors with muscles less rippling and actresses with bigger waistlines and pop stars hitting fewer cities on tour than any of these people accidentally ending up dead or permanently disabled for it, you know? The shorter version: I think it's taken too far. but yeeahhhh more to to Twilight specific point, it was already weird that these 40-year-old moms were into what we all assumed was a 20-year-old playing a teenager. Then you find out he was a teenager playing a teenager, and suddenly it's police sirens in my brain. And that being what the movie was AIMING for, thus intentionally putting a teen boy in this super sexualized weird position, is gross and irresponsible. P.S. what country are you from?

[@MrCarrotbadger]

I remember reading this book as a kid and being a little disappointed when Caspian after been bitten by a werewolf didn’t become one. A werewolf-king would have been an awesome subplot!

[@Nightswarmer]

I think that would've been a more acceptable thing that he kinda got turned into a Narnia-creature and a good excuse not to yeet him back to where his ancestors came from..

[@MrCarrotbadger]

@@Nightswarmer maybe, but I don’t think most narnians like werewolves either

[@Zealous_Delusional]

Fun fact: Ben Barnes’s aunt was my childhood dentist and was super excited cause I was one of the few patients who had actually read the books. Love ya Ruthy toothy!

[@stargirl7646]

Wait what?! 😳

[@xRaiofSunshine]

😳

[@grumpyoldman3458]

Cool.

[@prcervi]

the world can be weirdly small at times

[@Sharpe1502]

Ben Barnes has an aunt named Ruthy toothy?

[@Macapta]

Dom - "Turns water into wine" me - "cool" Dom -"heals the sick" Me - "sweet" Dom -"rejuvenates an old woman" Me - "nice" Dom -"Knocks down some schools" Me - "underst..wait what?" Dom - "Chases off some bad teachers" Me - "that's fun but can we roll back to that school bit for a second?"

[@dischord1991]

It's fine they were basically propaganda cruel boarding schools

[@anderkid1090]

I mean fuck school.

[@kokosan09]

I guess Aslan is a Flat Earther...?

[@Alverant]

Education am no good. Me smart with no skool.

[@matildaduff3543]

@@kokosan09 Well, Narnia is literally flat, so

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Battles are ugly when women fight." I agree. Battles are ugly when women fight. They're also ugly when men fight, though, so it's kind of a meaningless statement.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

"Battle are ugly." Yep I think that fixes it.

[@wireboar7321]

battles are ugly, but he meant that battles are uglier than normal battles when women fight

[@jlev1028]

@@wireboar7321 Still a sexist statement noneoftheless considering women are just as meant for warfare as men are, though C.S. Lewis lived in a much more patriarchal time.

[@JasperLane]

@@jlev1028 I'm curious, what do you mean by women being just as ment for warfare?

[@Badenhawk]

Watch 2 dudes fight, then watch 2 chicks fight. Dudes fight to win. Chicks fight to destroy. Yes I'm using "dudes" and "chicks" to further the insensitivity of the issue lol.

[@thereseboegel8296]

Ok but Susan's character is "smart person who thinks they are always right" it's pretty boring and one dimensional, but no worse than the other kids. Also not nearly as plot relevant a characterization, until the last book. This is mostly because her "forgetting" Narnia in The Last Battle is supposed to be a representation of C.S. Lewis' own relationship with Christianity. He believed as a child, stopped believing as an young adult because he decided it was silly, then converted back to Christianity. This might also explain why Susan seems more blank than the other characters: she's a self-insert.

[@alanpennie8013]

I wouldn't call her a blank. She has a lot more presence than Peter.

[@Wednesdaywoe1975]

I always though she was a self insert for his bland, Victorian Era misogyny.

[@emmasolberg14]

*Spoiler for the last book* Lewis does Susan so dirty😭 her entire family is killed in a train wreck and gets to chill out in narnia-heaven while she’s on earth probably super traumatised 😭😂

[@BrianS1981]

Stopped should really be in inverted commas, because Lewis displayed all the common lack of understanding of atheism that all apologists pretending to be former atheists for christian cerditdo.

[@BrianS1981]

The last book is really horrible on all levels, killed my interest in the series and I was still christian at the time. The only other fiction I've read that approaches it for awfulness of theme is the ending to A Canticle for Leibowitz (another book pushing christianity).

[@lynnthomas8457]

Susan's entire arc was "boys." That is in fact series accurate, in a round about way.

[@mandisaw]

It's part of the theology x misogyny problem. Basically girls are only "interesting" if they are willing to sacrifice all of themselves & suborn their needs to the love/devotion to Christ (and family, I guess?). Not sure what's in it for the girls/women though, or how we're supposed to get all those little baby Christians if that were the case though. It's some very old BS, and sadly not limited to Narnia/Lewis (or Christianity, for that matter).

[@hollyzandstra4413]

This is nylons and lipstick erasure

[@mandisaw]

@@hollyzandstra4413 Sort of. Isn't that expression more associated with women's movements/attitudes of women about femininity? As in the (false) binary between being capable/serious/competent and exhibiting traditionally-feminine traits or interests?

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

This part of the last story always made me so sad, and it definitely isn’t fair. For my own piece of mind, I pretend that she still has things to do in the word before joining her family in the afterlife, but that she always would.

[@tinymxnticore]

​@@mandisaw I think it's more bad execution than intent. The only reason we're lead to believe Susan is being excluded from "Narnia heaven" is that the other "friends of Narnia" say so...but they don't have the full information (that they're dead and she isn't because she wasn't in the railway accident) until the last page of the book. By preserving the mystery Lewis gave the impression that Susan is permanently lost, when internal logic would indicate otherwise.

[@beccag2758]

You’re actually correct about Aslan not being an allegory for Jesus in the Bible, but is like actually Jesus in the books. C. S. Lewis explains it as a “supposal” basically a “what if” scenario of, if there was another world that was not like ours at all, how might Jesus be in that world. The best example I can think of is Abraham Lincoln in “Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer” doesn’t represent Abraham Lincoln, he’s not an allegory of Old Abe, he just IS Abraham Lincoln but the “what if” version that deals with vampires.

[@gracekim25]

Ah ok. Makes sense 🙂

@@gracekim25 yeah, in the end of the dawn treader Aslan says and I quote:"in your world I have another name", and considering the previous movie had Jesus looking water guy, I think we know what name that is!

[@RoseBaggins]

Precisely.

[@JP2GiannaT]

@@LivelyLinnea yep. In Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@LivelyLinnea I find it rather odd we never DO meet the Emperor Beyond the Sea, and learn why he made unbreakable laws Aslan had to break, also. Or suddenly owed things to the unstable Jadis.

[@MoonKent]

I always took the "Aslan grows bigger with you" to mean that he could never be outgrown or seem to diminish. As an adult, I've often been surprised at how small my childhood haunts have become since growing up, and since C. S. Lewis was always a big proponent in the belief that you didn't have to outgrow fairy tales, I thought it was a reference to that.

[@maggiesheartlove2734]

Honestly, I have a deeper appreciation and passion for fairytales (and stories in general) now as an adult than I did as a child. Heck, stories were used as a method for me to better understand Jesus and The Bible. When you look at the Bible as one big story (or series with multiple seasons) God as the world builder and what would happen if the characters were given free rage to shape things and what would happen if someone else corrupted these creations, severing the connection between them and the Author, who does everything He can to reconnect with His creations/children.

[@isabellp.5730]

Me too. ❤️

[@Mockthenerd]

I always thought it was weird that the kids already went through puberty and grew old. Like I'd imagine if I was suddenly sent back to being a teenager I'd be like "Not this again...".

[@BlueTressym]

OH gods, yes! Once is more than enough for that particular horror.

[@danielled8665]

Maybe, but I'd also love to have known then what I know now about life, people, and what is really important. I think a lot of the difficulty being a teen is having so little experience and context; that anything that happens is world shaking and the most important thing ever. If there's one thing I could tell young me, it's "relax. It's really not that important."

[@onbearfeet]

​@@danielled8665 Maybe. Then again, my teenage niece once asked me what I'd do if I found myself back in high school with my adult knowledge, and the first thing out of my mouth was, "Set fire to the place ... and okay, I guess I'd pull the fire alarm first." I immediately thought of how frustrating it would be to see all the ways the adults in my religious high school were harming kids in the name of God. (To choose two examples, a large number of boys joined the military for religious reasons and died in Afghanistan, and I'm just going to say "everyone knew who the gay kid was in 2001" and leave it there.) It bothered me as a kid; it enrages me as an adult. The Pevensies were leaders in Narnia, accustomed to power, to responsibility, and to being obeyed. Being back on their child-bodies, seeing adults being foolish or greedy or just plain infuriating, and knowing no one would listen to them because they were kids ... yeah, I'd probably go straight for arson.

[@urbex_coasters]

That's what being trans means actually, unless you're lucky enough to be able to transition as a child. Just thought I'd say this to anyone who thinks it's some kind of trendy choice. Can't believe I'm using Narnia to explain what it means to be trans but that's definately an asset that I can use a Christian story to explain what it means to be trans given who is currently making laws against us. Knew there was a reason I always identified with Prince Caspian even after leaving the church and becoming a pagan witch.

[@tahunuva4254]

"Tree ex machina" seems to be a common thread between Lewis and Tolkien :P

[@emjenkins464]

I love how they are the same but opposite!

[@alanpennie8013]

@@emjenkins464 They had some excuse for pitching these movies as LOTR lite. It has to be said that Tolkien was inclined to scoff at Lewis' inconsistent mythology.

[@stephenhall509]

Personally I liked the more adult, darker theme the sequel took. I liked seeing peter struggle from being a respected High King to just another kid. I liked showing how a fantasy story can go dark because of imperialism and greed. It's like if willie wonka and the chocolate factory ended with the oompa loompaa forming a labor union and Charlie became drunk with power. Its nice to see consequences for the whimsy

[@MonnyArcade]

Same. Well said

[@mandisaw]

Hmm, you might want to check out The Magicians then (I prefer the TV version, but the books are moderately popular). Basically it's a deconstruction of a lot of Narnia-flavored children's fantasy tropes that goes from dark&edgy to almost ludicrously grimdark in places. The TV show makes the chars grad-school aged and more of an ensemble, relative to the books' college-age protagonist(s), which adds some intriguing dramatic angles. Good worldbuilding too.

[@stephenhall509]

@@mandisaw I've seen it and I loved it up until the season 4 finale

[@GriffinPilgrim]

I also liked the more human antagonists. Don't get me wrong, Tilda Swinton was deliciously evil hamming it up as the White Witch but for me there's something to Miraz having more reasons for what he does than just general evil lust for power. He has that too of course but (especially in the film) he clearly also cares about the continuity of the Telmarine kingdom. Otherwise he'd just kill Caspian when he killed his dad.

[@mandisaw]

@@stephenhall509 Hah, good recommendation then LOL I got busy with life somewhere in early/mid S4, so planning to get back to it now that it's all done.

[@ariellakahan-harth8831]

"Fur Jesus and Friends" sounds like a Christian children's T.V. show where everyone in the Bible is an anthropomorphic animal.

[@rpgqueen8737]

That would never fly because *dramatic voice* “then they’d be promoting furries!”

[@kohakuaiko]

I'd. Watch that.

[@TknoelTellsStories]

This exists. Look up Kingdom Chums. Paul Winchell (original voice of Tigger) plays King Saul in the adaptation of David and Goliath.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

It sounds like somebody looking like Victor Krum in his fur cloak cosplaying as King Arthur or Merlin ;) okay King David or Samuel...

[@PhoenixAngel429]

Hey they have Christian vegetables in VeggieTales

[@ilovezuko80]

Ive always interpreted Susan and Peter not coming back as having no further lessons to learn there, not that they were too old. Ps. I’m exited for you to get to Dawn Tredder, it’s the best one.

[@mistdragon6690]

same but what annoyed me was that Susan was said to grow up to forget about Narnia and become angry at the other for their childish antics. surely that means she had more lessons to learn? lol

[@kohakuaiko]

@@mistdragon6690 she is grew to old to read fairy tales and had not grown old enough to read them again.

[@FM-cp6kc]

@@mistdragon6690 I think it's just the "false maturity" people get, where they think enjoying things like fairy tales and cartoons and whimsy is immature. And she wasn't brought back to Narnia yet a) because she wasn't dead yet and b) because she hadn't, as kohakuaiko said, grown old enough to read fairy tales again.

[@thatguy1153]

I mean they literally say that’s the reason in the movies

[@aprilbennett4161]

@@FM-cp6kc Susan was introduced as having pretentious leanings, especially in Disney's adaptation. It coming back in full force strikes me as something of a Chekov's gun, to me. Either way, at least she gets to grow old with a family. It's kind of morbid, seeing people upset about Susan being spared from a terrible train accident. I like that she survived, personally, because it means that she can have descendents who may have interdimensional adventures of their own. There being many more worlds than the Narnia verse is canonical, after all.

[@rabijamanafova798]

Okay but you forgot to add the very valid point that Ben Barnes is H O T which makes up for all his flaws obviously

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

ikr?!!!

[@kaleidoslug7777]

Extremely fair point

[@queeny5613]

Ahahha

[@EvaEstera]

He is fairly handsome And by the way, he does NOT look 26! All this time I thought he was 15 or something! Great actor!

[@jacobwillis7596]

I love that it’s not even subtle that Aslan is Jesus. It’s not even a metaphor he’s literally Jesus in story

[@LucyLioness100]

That was why we went and saw the 1st film as a school since I went to a Lutheran parochial school. Religious stuff aside, the movie was truly massive and well executed for a post-LOTR era

[@aidanquiett668]

@@LucyLioness100 We read the first 3 books and watched the first movie in my old christian school. Really fun series, especially at the age we went through it

[@timothymclean]

C.S. Lewis didn't believe in subtlety.

[@artsman412]

@@timothymclean I kind of like his lack of subtly with this. I don't know why, and I see why it turns some people off, but it really works for me.

[@timothymclean]

@@artsman412 I'll give Lewis this, his lack of subtlety was an excellent choice for the kind of book he wanted to write.

[@franjohnson1270]

i always assumed Caspian was like 18/19 in the movie? so putting him older then Peter which would add to their conflict?

[@thecerveza]

I thought the same too!

[@alanpennie8013]

@@thecerveza He looks a lot younger than mid 20s.

[@starsoverthere]

@@alanpennie8013 I thought he looked like he was in his 20’s, something about his mannerisms I think. I really think he was too old for this role.

[@evelinnagy1059]

I'm honestly just waiting for the Good Omens Lost in Adaptation episode at this point I love this series btw

[@tatermister5045]

Yes!

[@nobledamask]

"low-key" Aslan literally did the death to redeem sin and resurrection bit book one, sooo...

[@mackereltabbie]

yeah super subtle :D

[@skibot9974]

Subtle by comparison

[@ethancoster1324]

The Telmarine/conquistador aesthetic was one of the best elements of the film. Those facemask helms were one of the sickest things I'd seen up until that point.

[@letisrl]

I'm sorry but according to 12 year old self, who still ships suspian, there is no criticism that is valid

[@zelieranquet3390]

I agree, I was VERY invested in their couple when I first watched this film as a 10yo

[@Rotten_Prince]

I should have realised back then I wasn't straight, because I shipped Caspian with Peter lmao

[@eshbena]

@@Rotten_Prince Yeah, but I could totally see that pairing as well.

[@Rotten_Prince]

@@eshbena yeah but I was hardcore projecting in being both of them

[@polyhymnia701]

I'm a huge fan of the books but I always thought Caspian and Susan would make a good couple. 😂

[@alexiane250]

oh to be fair though i had no idea ben barnes was 26, dude looks much younger

[@RoseBaggins]

Probably why they got him to play Dorian Gray.

[@sjenner76]

Historic note. The Norman conquest of England was brutal. Please review the Harrowing of the North, an event so vicious that even WIlliam the Conqueror regretted his actions on his death bed. It wasn’t until the 13th Century that the Norman French ruling class and their English subjects began to cohere into a single culture. More 250 years than 100.

[@ViridianForests]

Random fact: Caspian is probably the only narnian character that is met while still alive for three books in a row in the series (minus Aslan but he existed _before_ Narnia since he created it)

[@alanpennie8013]

Truish. It's pushing it to say we meet him while alive in, The Silver Chair.

[@ViridianForests]

@@alanpennie8013 Fair xD But he still gets a scene where he's alive, the characters just don't know its him Can't really say the same about any other narnian I can think of

[@sawanna508]

Trumpkin is still alive in the Silver Chair too.

[@matthewlightwood5412]

That minotaur always makes me cry, and the nod the centaur gives Peter SENDS ME

[@Alias_Anybody]

Wait a second Dom, why should they have gone specifically for "Hispanic" actors if that was a conquistador-allegory? Spanish =/= Latino, a vaguely southern European look should do it. As bonus, Charles V. was also the German emperor and king of Burgundy, and not every conquistador was an ethnic Spaniard.

[@tartsch8233]

Watching the movie I thought the exact opposite than Dom, that they went for the most stereotyped "mediterranian look". I did not mind though, I kind of like how it looks.

[@jlev1028]

All Spaniards (ethnically anyways) are Hispanic. The word simply means "Spanish speaking" or "from a Spanish speaking place".

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@jlev1028 Technically, yes, but effectively it's nearly always used for people from Latin America. The thing is that the definitions aren't that important in this discussion because he was implying that the actors in question were "too white", that's the issue. I'll edit it to avoid that discussion I guess.

[@yarpen26]

Dom is simply trying to out-American the actual Americans, actively looking for things he can be offended at-or, more likely, feign being offended at-and going for scientific-sounding words prior to as much as googling what they actually mean. Seriously, I like the guy's analyses and all but the way he shoehorns his extreme political obsessions into everything is just hands-down bananas.

[@albuszx]

I remenber the director talked about that in the movie commentary. Lewis based the idea on the Norman conquest, but the movie is clearly leaning on 16th century colonialism with genocide of native population plus the England x Spain conflict. I think it was a good call, and I say that as a Brazilian who loves to see fantasy iberic military powers getting CRUSHED.

[@reptilianbird]

Every story should include warrior mice.

[@christopherverhoef9112]

Redwall.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Wonder how that would improve A Song of Ice and Fire... probably not. That mice would probably just be stamped on by the Golden Company elephants

[@NitroIndigo]

Warrior Mice: the latest series from the New York Times bestselling hivemind, Erin Hunter.

[@RoninCatholic]

Thing is, with how big he is Reepicheep really ought to be a rat. Rats are more intelligent, cleaner, and more affectionate than mice but Lewis probably didn't know that. I think we should have a story with heroic warrior ferrets, foxes, and rats killing and possibly eating overwhelmingly large numbers of weaker, less intelligent mouse thugs.

[@LadyofLetters]

Let's be real - Caspian's hair is the best thing about this film

[@meganrobinson9867]

And that's not even a slight on the film, his hair is just that good

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

"He's not an allegory for Jesus, HE IS JESUS!" -The Dom 27/11/2020

[@zenvendaboi4217]

He sounded like Tim Curry for sec 😂

[@kittyelf1485]

That was confirmed in the book Voyage of the Dawn Treader when Aslan told Edmund and Lucy they couldn’t come back, but that he existed in their world too. "I am," said Aslan. "But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there.

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

@@kittyelf1485 I'll be Styxed

[@andreaw2053]

The busy persons KZbin paradox: "10 minutes ago" means you are both early and late

[@MewMewSun]

A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to!

[@junglekiity]

I understand why they stopped making the movies, but I would still pay top dollar for an adaptation of The Horse and His Boy.

[@brookb5890]

Same. Though the writer and production team would have to work their asses off to fix all the orientalism that I didn't notice as a child. 😅 Aravis is still one of my favorite characters, though. Cor too, tbh.

[@RoninCatholic]

@@brookb5890 There's literally nothing at all wrong with the Arabian Nights aesthetic and appreciating Middle Eastern cultures with a similar level of reverence that most high fantasy gives to Western Europe. I say double down on it and include even more "orientalism", put in even more Middle Eastern culture and aesthetics.

[@fairycat23]

Middle Eastern,,, actors,,, in the roles,,, as the Calormenes,,,,, I NEED IT!

[@m.w.9899]

My favorite Narnia book, besides the obvious racial undertones. If people think Aladdin was bad, The Horse and His Boy would never succeed. Edit: Fortunately, it's really the only book in the series that you don't need to read to understand the whole plot.

[@hayleybartek8643]

Same with The Magician's Nephew. But The Horse and His Boy would never fly. Only certain flavors of racism are considered acceptable, after all.

[@MadameChristie]

I actually really liked the conquistador aesthetic of the Talmarines though I totally get that it makes Caspian being the chosen one kinda weird. Also I just really liked the guy who played Miraz

[@mandisaw]

Besides making sense from a "Mediterranean pirates = ancestral Telmeranes" POV, I think the implications of Narnians being magically-bound to have human leaders is actually a good outcome of the casting/costuming decision. The unfairness of some of Narnia's "great laws" comes across more blatantly, which is something that I think was too subtle in the books - especially given that we're almost always seeing "rightful" leaders as POV characters.

[@Di7manya]

The masks from the helmets look really dope, so its a pretty cool aesthetic for an evil army.

[@Visplight]

Also it's an American movie and Americans are more familiar with conquistadors than Normans.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Sergio Castellitto. Pretty big actor in some circles. He's Italian though.

[@MadameChristie]

@@GriffinPilgrim yeah. Knew that. He has a solid presence as Miraz though.

[@emjenkins464]

In defence of the Telmarine aesthetic, the classical Arthurian knight look ascribed to the Pevensies isn't distinct enough from the mid medieval designs of the Normans. Especially with very few understanding the difference outside of medievalism2

[@isabelbarker786]

“The worst the Saxons has to deal with was learning french” well there was the whole “harrying of the north” where much of northern England was looted and razed.

[@TheAmityElf]

I honestly loved Edmund in this movie, just because I liked to see him being competent and I really got the vibe that he lived a life as a king (with his easily manipulating Miraz into agreeing to the fight and his repeatedly-demonstrated skill with the sword). He was the one who I most got this impression from; Peter still struck me as a teenager trying to be king, but Edmund had a real "I've been king, I'm rolling with the punches, this is fine" energy that I loved. When I first saw the movie, I didn't think much of Susan, but I liked her more and more on rewatches when I noticed how effective a fighter she is and how she's close to Edmund's level of "I believe this person used to be an adult ruler".

[@mophead_xu]

then he got pissy about being a "teen" in the next movie, basically filling in peter's shoes on screen because the blond lad had moved to usa. :-(

[@barshafoxman4169]

@@mophead_xu Plus, Peter wasn't in the book the next film was based on.

[@huey6248]

Edmund is just a badass, he had the coolest moments and the coolest lines.

[@Vaati1992]

Oh wow, didn't know Barnes was in his mid-twenties, I thought he was barely twenty but oh well

[@Sharpe1502]

Ben Barnes might be an actual vampire. The guy is aging very slowly.

[@someone-you-do-not-know8522]

I always thought he was eighteen, and was supposed to look 16 in the movie. I’m shocked.

[@Darkprosper]

@@Sharpe1502 He played in a Dorian Gray movie. I suspect he kept the picture prop.

[@pragatip12]

I loved this movie but that probably had something (read: everything) to do with Ben Barnes

[@eshbena]

He was certainly a snack. XD

[@annafirnen4815]

Ok so maybe I got something wrong, but even tho Ben Barns was 26 playing Kaspian, I always had a feeling like he was supposed to be 18 at best in the story (Ben did look young after all and it's not the first time Hollywood casts adults as teenagers lol). I got the impression his uncle was on the throne so they wait till Kaspian gets to the "appropriate age" to be the king but that was of course just a cover up for Miraz who waited till he has a legitimate heir to just kill off his nephew. It also brought interesting dynamic cause then Peter would be around Kaspian's age and they saw each other as sort of a "rivals".

[@Teajay21]

Yes, and the cast has obviously aged some I assumed they were meant to be like 16 & 18

[@j3ssthealien283]

Same and even though he seems childish it is very clear that his uncle wanted him to be tucked away until he could get a son

[@undead.rising]

Ben Barnes has always looked ridiculously good for his age - especially now. If you look up images of him at his current age, 39, you would honestly think he's about 25 at the most. While he was 26 when making this movie, I am pretty sure his character was only supposed to be 16 or 17.

[@ilikesniffingpaper]

Some people can't age. He's just too fine for it lmao

[@Amy-yq4lk]

Caspian’s uncle never figured out how to screen his teachers properly, did he.

[@grahamkristensen9301]

Someone pointed out to me that Susan kind of looks like Lindsay Ellis and I've never been able to unsee it since.

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Same

[@tinymxnticore]

Now we know where Susan ended up after The Last Battle.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@tinymxnticore Could have been worse.

[@dulcimerrafi]

Now that you mention it, you're right.

[@crem-crem4070]

DAAAANNNNG! Dominic is ROCKING the longer hair 😍😍😍😍

[@rainb214]

I find the tonal dissonance of Ben Barnes having also been Dorian Grey in another Lost In Adaptation an amusing bonus to the experience.

[@Knobbyboy88]

I'm pretty sure the book heavily implied the Telmarines were the descendants of Spanish Pirates/Sailors, and even made note of them being somewhat "swarthy" in appearance. I think that was the major reason for the theming choices here. I distinctly recall thinking of them this way well before I ever saw the movie. Either way, the Conquistador Telmarines from the film are a *Hell* of a lot more stylish and memorable than a generic Medieval French themed army would have been.

[@marchingham]

Also, there is nothing low-key or secret about the Christian themes in these books lol.

[@sofieschuurman3746]

I mean when I was young I didn’t notice

[@sofieschuurman3746]

Granted, I was raised as an agnost so I never heard of the christian stories anyhow, but still I didn’t notice

[@marchingham]

@@sofieschuurman3746 I could see that being a factor for sure! Maybe I noticed it because I was in high school when I read them. Mind you, it didn't effect my enjoyment of them and the movies.

[@agnieszkachodkiewicz7795]

@@marchingham The first book (in writing order) is literally about the Saviour sacrificing himself for a sinner and rising from the dead. I noticed, when I first listened to the audiobook at like 9 years old or sth. And I did absolutely enjoy all the books. And the first movie, but the second only a little, because even at 11 years old I was the kind of person that takes any change to the source material personally.

[@manonkaufman6689]

@@sofieschuurman3746 same. I didn't notice those themes at all as a child. It was just pure fantasy goodness.

[@tlsgrz6194]

I think the reason for the „spanish“ Conquerors had more to do with historical development of arms and armors. William the Conqueror was 11th century (kite shields and dane axes and head-to-foot chainmail). Narnia was already well past that age in the first film (Longswords, Plate Armor), so in order to have a „technologically advanced“ invader they had to go with a more recent conqueror.

[@mandisaw]

Also, my memory of the Telmeranes is that their ancestors were Mediterranean pirates, and that island-crossing was in the Mediterranean. So Spain makes more sense than Denmark.

[@thecouchpotatocom]

I like that. Good history lesson.

[@aprilbennett4161]

@@mandisaw Not just Mediterranean, but specifically descended from Spanish pirates. The book explains it better.

[@mandisaw]

@@aprilbennett4161 Yeah, it's probably been about 34-35yrs since I read Prince Caspian

[@dontworryaboutit6914]

"Was secretly low-key Christian fanfiction" gurl we been done knew already.

[@andrewtennant1889]

Yeah, there was absolutely nothing secret about Chronicles of Narnia being Christian fanfiction.

[@overlydramaticpanda]

I mean...in just the first three books (not counting 'The Horse and His Boy') Aslan creates Narnia, picks two of every animal, a boy and a girl unwittingly unleash a great evil into Narnia, Aslan is killed and resurrected all to redeem someone's sin, and in general he performs at least one miracle per appearance throughout the series before the final book. Nah, nothing remotely obvious about it being Christian fanfiction...

[@janasubrtova808]

No one: Me slowly realising the main reason Prince Caspian is my favourite Narnia movie is that I had a crush on Caspian: 👁️👄👁️

[@danaohdeliciouswhite8515]

Talking lions are no basis for a system of government, just saying.

[@ladysybylgrey]

Or ladys in lakes passing out swords.....

[@oliviawilliams6204]

To be honest, there’s no good basis for government. It’s all based on violence

[@fairystail1]

@@ladysybylgrey look King Arthur has a magical sword and we don't. DO you really want to argue with him about if he is king or not?

[@Condorito380]

@@fairystail1 By that same logic, you gonna argue with the six foot at the fucking shoulder lion that can argue philosophy with you while eating your nutrient-filled innards?

[@autobotstarscream765]

Aslan is literally Jesus, and speaks with the wisdom and grace of Optimus Prime. How could he possibly be any _more_ qualified of a leader?

[@Dachusblot]

I feel like the whole weird "Aslan party sequence" in the book kinda makes more sense if you know more about C.S. Lewis as a person. First of all, when he was young he went to a horrible school where he was bullied a lot, so I think the sequence where Aslan turns a bunch of schoolboys into pigs was his way of getting literary revenge. (He does this sort of thing again in "The Silver Chair.") Second, in addition to being a big Jesus fan, he was also a HUGE fan of Greek & Norse mythology, which is why Bacchus just randomly shows up for Aslan's party. And yes, that does make about as much sense as Father Christmas's appearance in the first book. Personally, I don't think the idea of Lion Jesus turning a bunch of nasty schoolboys into pigs is, uh... _great._ But I must admit, the idea of Lion Jesus having a crazy party with Bacchus sounds freaking awesome. Do those things really add anything to the story, or even make the slightest bit of narrative sense? Not really, but who cares? Lewis basically just did whatever the hell he felt like, and y'know, you kinda got to respect that. (Meanwhile Tolkien is off to the side having multiple strokes because Narnia's worldbuilding makes _no sense at all._ )

[@elsie8757]

I mean, nobody says they stayed pigs _forever,_ it could've just been for long enough to learn their lesson. In the Horse and His Boy, Aslan turns another brat (albeit an older one) into a donkey, and it was temporary.

[@Dachusblot]

@@elsie8757 True true! I do prefer to think the pig transformation was only temporary to teach them a lesson. I have to say, though, the guy in HAHB was a bit more than just a bratty schoolboy; he was a spoiled adult prince who straight up invaded a country because the woman he liked rejected him. So somehow Aslan turning him into a donkey feels more justified. (Also I might not be remembering right, but wasn't there a threat that he might turn back into a donkey if he didn't behave himself?)

[@Healermain15]

​@@elsie8757 Then again, they don't say if he actually did turn them back. And Aslan has canonically turned a lot of people into animals against their will, and most of those never turned back.

[@elsie8757]

@@Dachusblot Yes, that is true. But on the other hand, Rabadash had already been thoroughly defeated and humiliated by that point, and his dad stated outright that he was on his own when it came to invading Narnia, so no backup would be coming from him. So it's not like he was much of a threat anymore, and was basically reduced to throwing temper tantrums by the time the donkey transmogrification set in. In fact, when this plan was originally being pitched to the Tisroc, it was even agreed that if things went wrong they could blame his actions on "the impetuosity of youth". So if his excuse for invading Narnia and trying to kidnap one of its queens was essentially "boys will be boys", I suppose it's only fair that he be punished in the same manner that bratty schoolboys have been known to be at this point in the series. (Sure this book takes place before Prince Caspian chronologically, but it was written after it, so the Telmarine schoolboys being turned into pigs would've been a precedent).

[@RoseBaggins]

@@Dachusblot more like if he left the city limits (which was within a certain radius from the statue) he would be turned back into a donkey, permanently (Pinocchio has no strings on that). So since he enjoyed being in battle, that prevented him from going to war with anyone.

[@connorveenstra]

Poor adaptation, but it’s one of my favorite film adaptations that improve upon its source material. A lot more nuance, politics and humanity than the books.

[@PeterPan54167]

Out of all the Narnia books Caspin is the weakest . It’s really sad too because it had potential to be the best .

[@laureate90]

Wait, what? The battle was won by the good guys getting bolstered by last minute reinforcements?! Madness.

[@WillCMay]

As Cinemasins would say, deus ex machina always calls for the addition of a sin. Or would it be "tree army ex machina"/"river ex machina" in this case?

[@TheSonOfTheDragon]

Aslan is who I refer to when I say "living animal Jesus".

[@thekneesbee]

funfact: my grandpa, a pastor, met CS Lewis who apparently mentioned he didn't mean to make so much biblical imagery. I mentioned this to my English teacher who basically went "well, maybe but its extremely obvious so we are going to analyze it anyway"

[@elliewill5097]

Interesting, perhaps a Freudian slip? But I agree with the teacher it’s almost too apparent to not analyze.

[@Droemar]

As a pretty vehement atheist, this speaks volumes to be about how sincere Lewis was in his beliefs. If it's the water you swim in, how do you know? He's also like, the last contemporary Christian who made sense, so believe me: the non-believers like Lewis VERY much.

[@El-Gato69]

@@Droemar I think it helps they turned jesus into a majestic lion voiced by Liam Neeson.

[@Droemar]

@@El-Gato69 I mean, yeah. Aslan has none of the baggage of real Christianity, just the fun, cool stuff. He never tells you you're going to Hell, and that makes him remarkably pleasant.

[@emmasolberg14]

That’s analysing in a nutshell honestly😂 I don’t think any story or piece of art is intended to be as symbolic as a teacher makes it out to be😂 fascinating story tho