The Complete History of the Kaioken Attack from Dragon Ball Z

[@reloadingdontshoot1]

Kaioken has always been my favourite power up. The red aura is just so powerful-looking, and it can be useful in ALL his future forms after he learned it, even enhancing them

[@JSun3000]

Ssj3?Ultra Instinct?

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@JSun3000 ssj3 has a stamina drain problem and kaioken just ups that problem, and uptra instinct doesnt need kaioken because it's a fucking megazoid

[@reloadingdontshoot1]

@@JSun3000 SSJ3 is cool, sure. UI is just meh as it kinda just solves any kind of problem up to now. I think its mostly the red aura of Kaioken and its ""get it done before I explode" mentality of its use that make it my favourite. UI is more "well this fights over" where as Kaioken is "I hope this is enough to enable me to get the win"

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

@@reloadingdontshoot1 dont fall for the bot pretending to be geekdom

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

@@JSun3000 dont fall for the bot pretending to be geekdom

[@jesseslack2089]

The fight with Pikon when Goku yelled "Super Kaio-Ken!" was one of my favorites and then Goku used it with SSB with Hit I had tears and shivers lol.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

That's a bot

[@JumpyKaput]

I know right, when I first saw that, I was so shook I was shivering, crying, screaming, shat myself and came all at the same time 😢

[@I-absolveyouofyoursins]

​@@JumpyKaput I came all over my tele.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Goku going super Kaio-Ken against pikkon was a cool 5 seconds

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The best moment of super was bringing back the Kaio-Ken at least for me that was top 3 super moment

[@jesseslack2089]

This times 10!

[@JayShifu]

To me that was the best moment because it was unexpected and creative!

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@JayShifu yep definitely not was better then that besides maybe Vegito coming back

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@jesseslack2089 x20

[@unholywarrior9007]

Vageta should know how to use this since he has done the fusion many times . He needs to train this or he will always be 2end to goku

[@Action-Punk]

The Kaio Ken a good example of a technique with strengths and weaknesses.

[@cyclone3743]

A 30 minute video about the kaioken? Time to grab some popcorn

[@johnrhogan2908]

I love how Kaio-ken Blue looks, with it having a blood-red look to it. Pretty badass.

[@TheJaredPunch]

It was a simple but effective boost in power. But dangerous if used incorrectly. I actually based my main character’s super form off of the Kaioken.

[@killerqueen3391]

Sory what?

[@TheJaredPunch]

@@killerqueen3391 pay it no mind

[@docproof26]

He plays XV2

[@TheJaredPunch]

@@docproof26 I wasn’t talking about XV2 though.

[@iseeopenings3921]

​@@TheJaredPunch then what are you talking about lol

[@giodawg45]

the aura burst and dash sounds from the kaioken are amazing. absolute pleasure for the ears

[@S60Rguy]

Wow Geekdom you really are one of the best at covering all the angles of a potential debate for or against common viewpoints in Dragonball. Really enjoyed this video as it's my favorite technique of Goku's from back in the day.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

My favorite Technique

[@lonewolfgamingplus379]

Kaio-Ken is the single best attack in Dragon Ball. I loved it's comeback in Super with Super Saiyan Blue making a mixture of beautiful blue and red.

[@KMHrock89]

I’ve always understood that Super Kaioken can only be used when Goku is dead because the rage power of SSJ would cause Kaioken to go out of control and kill him, so no I do not think Goku could have utilized Super Kaioken against Cell. Also the reason I think he doesn’t have the effects of Delayed Onset Ki Disorder in fights after Hit with Blue Kaioken is the same reason he didn’t really get wrecked as much using it in base, his body got used to it, plus Goku had a better understanding of SSB like you stated. Great video!

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The reason why I love the Saiyan sage and Frieza saga and the moviee before super 13 over cell and after is because of the Kaio-Ken, and I liked it better when Goku was pushed into transforming after the Kaio-Ken didn't work

[@Geekdom101]

great times

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Movies*

[@problemletstalknoletschat2288]

@@Geekdom101 Let's be honest... "Kaio-Ken",as for the BASE "TRANSFORMATION",i.e. the base state of the technique... SHOULD have an 1.5x Amplifyer instead of having it be a x2,when for x3=x3,x4=x4 and so on,so the x2 SHOULD by the same logic be x2...so only other option could be for it to be an x1 Multiplyer,but 1x1=1 won't make any sense nor any change,so the x1.5 Multiplyer WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE,since it allowed Goku to be faster and to EVEN BREAK NAPPA's BACK!!!

[@aqualeo9061]

Thanks!

[@VegettoBlack]

The kaioken power up v Ginyu is still one of my fav moments

[@tomcooper3819]

Best moment and imo best schemmel roar in dragonball history will always be to me.... It's double, triple, no, it's, its... "TIMES TEEEEEEEEEEN, KAIOKEN TIMES TEEEEEEEEN" Love gohan vs cell, loved the frieza saga... it's been long enough, I'm no longer prisoner of the moment. That's the coolest scene in dragonball history

[@ChristianJDY]

That fight goku using kaioken vs hit is probably my favorite moment in super. I think Toei made the right call on that one.

[@johanprx7985]

When you said "....and by the end of this video" i was hoping i would have learned enough about this technique so that i could do it myself. 😅

[@Big_B2184]

kaioken does make perfect sense for saiyans, they use it, it heavy damaged their body triggering a zenkai boost id imagine

[@fmrc93]

1:53 King Kai-o isn't his name really either since the O is king. King Kai-o is literally calling him King Kai King.

[@kingshadow8782]

Kaioken

[@megamanx1101]

One of my favorite techniques in the franchise. Also one of the reasons Rock Lee became my favorite character in the Naruto franchise. His 8 Gates were basically Kaio Kens.

[@cletuskasady593]

Ty for this awesome video in these dark times.

[@wileymoore3914]

Finally Kaioken is like my favorite technique in all of dragonball

[@justinarzola4584]

It was a treat when goku used it to pummel nappa and vegeta.

[@wileymoore3914]

@@justinarzola4584 agreed it was so hype 😂

[@ArcueidBrunestuddo]

I always like to imagine how powerful Majin Buu would be if he could use the Kaioken. With the way his body is built, he could probably just use Kaioken Infinite or something absurd and regenerate.

[@futuredirector23]

the difference is that without the evil inside of him his stamina has a limit now as does his energy well upside is he is still a literal tank that could likely use it all day with no issue and turn it off while he slept. so your correct but if he were to get into a long battle like against basil in super while using it buu likely wouldnt be able to keep it going he would of exhausted himself if he tried mostly cause he didnt take the fight seriously but

[@PkmnTrainerEmerald]

A classic technique love how much went into it with the real life inspiration and how it keeps coming back every now and then.

[@anthonynotte5901]

Great video Geekdom. It pretty much confirms what I thought. The way I like to think about it is the Kaioken is essentially the equivalent of a supercharger on a muscle car engine or a high-performance propeller airplane engine. When you use it, you get a major performance boost, but you need to be careful because if you overuse it doing so could blow up your engine, much like what happened to Goku‘s body when he first learned the technique from King Kai. Now that his body has become more accustomed to training as we’ve seen in Dragon Ball Super he can use the technique without much worry of drawbacks. Essentially, the “engine” of Goku‘s body has gotten way better which means the Kaioken when used will make Goku‘s performance even better. Make sense?

[@AlphaProto]

12:25 Dude... those photos are Vietnam monks killing themselves in protest. Thích Quảng Đức was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963. You are literally showing photos of people dying. I've seen it in a war documentary. The monk sets himself on fire while he chants until nothing is left but a burn skeleton. That's not a technique. That's self deletion.. I'm not sure you should show stuff like that in your video.

[@pedromarichalar4578]

The 🐐 drops knowledge like nobody else on the 🌎

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I love XenoVerse 1 because Yamcha and Krillin can use Kaio-Ken but Piccolo and Tien can't I don't think

[@digunder14]

"KAIO-WHAT!" - various moments in dbza XD

[@honestgamingreviews8106]

I just love how fast it is and how he just goes Kioken and there down I love ot

[@animefan77]

5:25- which makes sense for several reasons- 1) it's hard to tell the difference between a regular Ki powerup and Kaioken in the manga while Super Saiyan is a more apparent change, 2) there's only so many times you can escalate the Kaioken and have the same investigate impact- it can become stagnant- reducing the urgency of the move, which is why SSJ became more relevant as it is a transformation that is more accessible but also show power when it's not reduced to a gag, and 3) it is no longer narratively important as it would undermine Freeza if he was defeated by Goku doing what he did in the last saga and it wouldn't have led to the cathartic payoff of Super Saiyan.

[@vladimirmendoza2645]

18:11 Didn’t goku already bypass the emotional and mental rollercoaster created by super saiyan when he mastered the form in the room of spirit and time?

[@caodesignworks2407]

I think it was more about the sustainability of it and controlling the rage it induces. But overcoming the rage into a calm mind isn't possible in that form. I believe it was explained that going into SS took a huge toll on their body/ stamina in the first place, so staying in the form and learning to deal with/ be comfortable just living in it reduces the impact, thus giving more usable energy/ stamina

[@lonelystarboy]

Imagine how cool it would have been if Krillin, Tien and Yamcha learned it after training with king kai.

[@fluffycuddles8008]

Yesssss. Thank you so much for answering my question of the difference between kaioken x1 and x2❤❤

[@problemletstalknoletschat2288]

Let's be honest... "Kaio-Ken",as for the BASE "TRANSFORMATION",i.e. the base state of the technique... SHOULD have an 1.5x Amplifyer instead of having it be a x2,when for x3=x3,x4=x4 and so on,so the x2 SHOULD by the same logic be x2...so only other option could be for it to be an x1 Multiplyer,but 1x1=1 won't make any sense nor any change,so the x1.5 Multiplyer WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE,since it allowed Goku to BE FASTER and to EVEN BREAK NAPPA's BACK!!!

[@venomousteam1732]

Before super, I've always wondered why goku stopped using kaioken. But I've realized that combining kaioken with ssj, ssj2, and ssj3 will put a huge strain on his body, probably kill goku if goku doesn't know what he's doing

[@willscott135]

Best Kaioken ever was in the world's strongest ocean dub where his inner Bruce Lee came out to break the 🧊

[@heisenberg8764]

This technique and super saiyan 3 have to be my top favorite ever behind ranking my personal favorite characters. I love everything about this technique that it can be so powerful but is also a double edge sword technique to use so badass!

[@lastfirst5863]

Sounds like Kaio-ken was responsible for a lot of Goku’s growth before he became a super saiyan, King Kai underestimated how much the damage of high multipliers would play into Goku’s Saiyan biology.

[@williambotner2317]

Great job man

[@Flipitmixit]

26:17 Yes it Did happen, because he already had a dead body. Toei was very smart about it

[@insanemakaioshin]

2:45 - It was expressly stated to be North Kai's invention. Highest Kaio-ken: 100x (Movie Only) Highest Canon Kaio-ken & 2nd Highest Overall: 20x 10:55 - I thought the Head was the 5th limb & the other thing was the 6th. 13:45 - Namekian regeneration means that it would work better for Piccolo than any Saiyan.

[@AndrewAce.]

Kayo-ken :)

[@Atticus_Moore]

I love kaioken!

[@somerandomfan2096]

Goku - “KAIOKEN!!!!!!! TIMES 3!!!!!!!!!”

[@Sungura_Kaiser]

Kaio what?

[@somerandomfan2096]

@@Sungura_Kaiser are you the winner?

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

Would've been something if Perfect Cell used the Kaio-Ken considering Imperfect Cell told Kamiccolo, Trunks & Krillin that he was capable of using the technique (or was it the Spirit Bomb...I forget) in Gingertown. I wonder if Gohan still would've been able to defeat him then...

[@travisherndon94]

Honestly I still feel like it was dumb for both Goku and King Kai to not teach the others kaioken it would've been so helpful for them numerous times.

[@caodesignworks2407]

I think it was explained at some point somewhere? Maybe it's just headcanon. But Nobody else really has the ability to sustain it and manage the damage to their body. Maybe Tien, but it would probably tear Krillin and Yamcha to shreds, Vegeta is too angry, and Piccolo almost always refuses outside help. Even when he was with King Kai, he spent most of his time just floating around meditating. I was always more annoyed that they never asked the dragon for a power boost. I was so happy when Piccolo finally did in Super Hero and the explanation actually works. The orange piccolo is a bit odd, but the Dragon, being a Namekian creation, giving a boost just makes sense in the same way that the Elder did to Gohan

[@derekhogan9685]

Kiaoken is the goat and no matter how nostalgic the original super saiyan is I’ll always be sad this technique was dropped.

[@notsomoody5338]

That intro was clean

[@burgezdoestuff8578]

Kaioken's risk-reward is so good it had to be milked by every other "powerful" ability in anime (including SSJ Grades and 3)

[@Flipitmixit]

4:23 Boy casually turned into a ssj2

[@kyriedashiznit]

The Kaioken only last about 10 to 30 seconds people often forget that fact. It wouldnt be a good mix for a long battle only as a finisher

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Which maybe why it wasn't effective against Frieza king Kai stated he was using it the entire time but still couldn't keep up when Frieza went to 50% of his maximum......so basically 50% Frieza was stronger than a Kaio ken fully charged Goku....

[@nicoduran98]

20:51 For me is pretty clear that it’s IMPOSSIBLE for Goku to do super kaioken while he is alive because of the strain in the body, he would’ve explode immediately. It does make sense with SSJBLUE because of the nature of the form, but as always, SUPER, find a way to mes it up and made it times 10….TIMES 10, for some perspective, if he did thats vs pikkon back in Z, he would’ve had the power of an SSJ4; and we have just been introduced to SSJ2, 😂😂😂😂 on top of that you wanna make me belive a random like Hit can take all that? 🤦🏻‍♂️ Well, thats a complete different topic.

[@M0HAK0]

Easily my fav DBZ move

[@pfunk6945]

Kaio means king Kai. Same way Shishio means king lion. Or Yugio is king of games. @1:44 ... Or at least that's what I thought. The o refers to greatness. Like an Odachi is a greatsword.

[@jermaine8573]

Man despite that Goku has pushed himself to some many levels and being hitting godly powers to ultra instinct , I still loved the kaioken dearly even long before Goku was a regular golden haired Super Sayian , the kaioken was definitely the shit , Goku always went beast mode when he felt like he really needed to use it if necessary

[@dtfar4]

Kaioken!!!!!.. kayo wha.. ⚰️

[@digunder14]

28:35 to the point where the after effects that first time were so bad, if he did not let his body heal properly, he'd lose his ability to properly control his ki in a way that would make him able to fight

[@merrickkai6821]

My head canon is that Kaioken is derived from Ultra Ego. Both of them operate in a similar way except the Kaioken has the flaw of not making you stronger with damage taken.

[@Eaglesoars8891]

Kaiō ken is a great technique oh man its as visually appealing as the Genki Dama

[@angelchayne]

Enjoy these long in depth vids! Have something to kick back and watch for a while

[@kennedy8926]

It's probably safe to say that the other Z fighters know how to use kaioken just their body can't handle the physical consequences that comes with it. Picolo would be interesting with his regenerative abilities tho.

[@g_aware_nerd]

Love the otherworldly tournament filler arc. One of the fillers that didn't get on my nerves aside from he other cool fillers 😂

[@Fishman465]

I figured being dead was what let Super Kaioken work in that arc (though that implies Goku lost "full power" and the calm it has). If Goku tried it against Cell, it could have worked in a burst, but more likely he'd royally wreck himself. And was Piccolo and co. at King Kai's even manga canon?

[@Juxie27]

To answer your third comment, yes. Read the manga. Geez

[@jaykoblue172]

Since Cell has Goku’s DNA from his fight with Vegeta during the Saiyan invasion, Cell should also know the Kaioken too.

[@aceundead4750]

Kaioken blue coulda been used in the manga against Jiren even without the aura since in the original kaioken video you stated the red tint disappeared after Goku mastered it

[@truckercowboyed2638]

My favorite was when Goku learned how to put the Kaio ken overtop of Super SAIYAN

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

I feel like Piccolo would've made a lot of sense for learning Kaioken. Not only because it would make him more relevant to fights, but I get the feeling Namekians could handle it since they can regenerate damage. At the very least, he should be able to easily do x10, given how much stronger he is than Goku on Namek.

[@duel2803]

i like how it can always be useful cause it can stack on anyform

[@Sinncere06]

SUPER KAIO-KEN!!!!

[@henkaistudio]

There’s also Super Sayian Blue Kaio-ken as well.

[@LucidTUN3S]

About the “Super Kaioken” part. I’d like to add that during the Cell Games arc, Goku and Gohan were training their SS1 states to be used at any state to the point they’re relaxed in equivalence to their “base forms”. (The moment when both of them stepped out the HBTC in there SS1 forms yet everyone felt they were much “calmer” to the point they cant even sense their Ki, stated by Vegeta) In a way, this concept was the precursor to GT’s “Goku’s SS3 strength while in base form” and DBS’s “The power of a SSGSS in Goku’s base form” before the concept was seemingly dropped altogether going into the Buu saga lol (since apparently no Saiyan just walks around in SS1 all casually anymore and still just goes back to being normal “black / purple haired. Doesn’t seem any other Saiyan followed through Goku’s method of breaking the SS1 barier despite it leading to better results). It at least seemed they didnt need to tap into stress and anger to keep the form anymore and seemed more in tune. Going by this, Goku going “Super Kaioken” may have been more plausible than previously thought. Anyway this was a great watch. Ive been needing my DB fix and im glad you’re here to provide them haha

[@futuredirector23]

correction to what vegeta states he says they look like super saiyan but i dont sense the energy for it, implying that he could sense their ki but not the amount that would of been needed to be a super saiyan at that point in time. small correction but i do agree with you to an extent, goku likely tried to use it while in the grade 4 form in the chamber and figured out if he tried to use anything higher than the base power-up for kai-o ken would kill him due to the influx of his energy which was something that he wouldnt be able to over come til he gained god ki and learned about proper ki control, as he explains when he first uses the move again ontop of blue.

[@songoku9348]

Goku did North Kai proud

[@SonAlexander]

Base Kiaoken is a .5 multiplier… It’s weird but that’s how the numbers always worked out based off earlier power level charts. Base Goku in Saiyan was 8000 Kaio Ken made it 12000 Kaio Ken x2 increases it to 16000 So if you notice, even with x2, he is still under Vegeta’a 18000 power level. So, an x3 would put him to 24000. Which matches up with Scouter numbers Bulma shows before it blows up.

[@rafi_sensei5421]

Kaioken is one of my top fav moves for Goku. It was so awesome when they brough it back in the DBS anime. Imo if Goku was to pull off even kaioken x4 on top of ssj against Cell, i beleive he'd win if he pulled off a instant kamehameha. Ssj2 is 2x ssj1, so i think all hed need would be an instant to win it.

[@priamason284]

I love you you’re such a genius Geekdom

[@xtremefloridasportsman]

Kaioken is my favorite transformation or technique in the whole franchise and I won't argue that Kaioken is the most potentially powerful techniques transformation in the whole franchise due to the fact that the multiplier infinite only based upon how much stress one's body can take so for example if an angel or Destroyer uses the technique it would automatically be the strongest technique/transformation in the franchise

[@xtremefloridasportsman]

And okay to answer your question do I believe that super Kaioken would have beaten cell no I believe that is Goku used normal Kaioken and trained his body in the hyperbolic Time Chamber at that time for the stress and stamina for a stable Kaioken X 200 or more with higher burst multipliers for Kai blasts is possible cuz we seen him do a 100 times Kaioken before the Frieza Saga while he was fighting slug and the fact is mixing the Kaioken with Super Saiyan what would really kills already taxed stamina not the Kaioken itself because Goku in such Mastery of it would be able to turn it on and off in the blink of an eye it wouldn't even be visible you would only feel it in percussion waves and you have to remember this also Super Saiyan it's only a 40 times multiplier so if Goku his base is using a Kaioken X 200 stably he would shop the Super Saiyan form and arrival Super Saiyan 2 without having to worry about his stamina issue because when he uses Kaioken stabili as you seen during the Napa fight or with the Ginyu Force it doesn't affect Goku stamina in fact he's all happy and excited about those fights so super Kaioken no regular Kaioken X 200 stable yes

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I want to know what would Perfect Cell be like with Kio-ken? Like Cell has Goku's cells so he can do everything that Goku can do, at least up to that time, and even in the Kai dub Imperfect Cell mentions that he can use Kio-ken to Spirit Bomb, anyway, you mentioned that Kio-ken will break down Goku's cells and that he would damage his body in some way if he can't rest and recover to heal his body with new cells, but Cell has Piccolo's cells, so he can regenerate like Piccolo, and even better than Piccolo, like that time when Goku used the instant transmission Kamehameha on Perfect Cell, and Perfect Cell was able to regenerate from that like his whole head, and things like that, which Piccolo said in the Buu Saga that he can regenerate if his head stays intact, so Perfect Cell has better regeneration than Piccolo and the other Namekians, I'm guessing, but anyway, if Perfect Cell can use the Kio-Ken can he use it way better than Goku or anyone else, with his powerful regeneration that he can heal himself *while* using Kio-ken so he can use it maybe forever, or at least a great while longer than anyone else, or would Perfect Cell not be able to really use Kio-ken? Like Imperfect Cell said that he *can* use the Kio-ken, but as in you Cell videos, and in the anime itself, Perfect Cell has personalities in line with like Frieza and Vegeta, just the cockiness, and arrogance, which you mentioned that Perfect Cell is probably more so cocky and arrogant than Frieza, so if he is like that, would it be difficult for him to actually aline his mind, body, and spirit to actually, or I should rather say properly, access Kio-ken? And could Perfect Cell actually use Kio-ken in conjunction with Super Saiyan? Can you explain that? Please Geekdom101?

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Why the long story that no one is really gonna read, just ask can cell use the Kaio ken ?? Most likely no because the Kaio ken requires training and the body and mind being in sync.....cell is not capable of that because of his arrogance and belief that he's already perfect above everyone else....

[@MRunlimiteded]

It makes sense why goku was able to achieve super saiyan first. Though vegeta from his first meeting with goku was stronger, goku always pushed past his limits. By the frieza saga he already passed vegeta in power due to raw training. Krillins death was clearly the trigger but he would’ve achieved it regardless by just pushing his body similar to the ways kaioken does. I feel learning this technique allowed him to be to evolve past his limitations. Super saiyan is activated through emotions not really just being strong take broly for example, but i feel kaioken could’ve played a factor.

[@kickdreaming]

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[@Brownthetails1993]

11:00 Ayo 😯 Who are they geekdom?

[@TheAuron32]

Instant Transloacation Kamehameha with Super Kaioken would work i think, he uses Kaioken just as he warps and Cell is done.

[@scottvangasbeck9431]

We need king kai back in the new anime

[@josephdecicco3177]

My head canon was the Kaio-Ken was an initial 1.5x multiplier, then the higher multiples are straight forward

[@LordMetalSonic1987]

If I remember correctly, Goku wasn't able to sustain Super Kaio-ken for more than 10 seconds in the Other World Tournament. Amd that was with his DEAD body, which is supposed to be more sturdy and have a near infinite ki supply (bearing in mind that Goku could only use SSJ3 at its full potential when he was DEAD)...

[@xantwanevolutionar9777]

Nice video bro, I hope maybe one day we can make one ID like to share some of my knowledge on db

[@Geekdom101]

You left this comment 5 minutes after the video dropped but the video is over 30 minutes, so you couldn't have seen it already.

[@xantwanevolutionar9777]

@@Geekdom101 I didn’t 🤣 I commented first while the video started I won’t lie lol I just thought It’d be a good video so I hadda put in my respects before it, you don’t miss

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I would love to see Goku Black use the Kio-ken with Super Saiyan Rose.

[@hsq___]

The way I’ve always explained it was Kaioken was double your power. Kaioken x2 =quad power. Kaioken x3 =6xpower. So kaioken x10 is really your power x 20

[@wegoku7274]

Im pretty sure that Cell also mentioned that he could use the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb to Piccolo.

[@rorylumley4727]

piccollo with the kai- ken would be crazy overpowered. I mean with a kaio-ken he could demolish second form and third form frezia. He could also destroy 17 post kami fusion.

[@vladimirmendoza2645]

Alignment of mind, body and spirit make kaioken cooler for me.

[@nicholasjones7881]

I think the kaioken was how they learned to use the energy to hit harder. Like Piccolo told Dr. Greo

[@mikeyfidler2937]

I 100% believe that the power of Kiao Ken plus Super Saiyan would have been enough for Cell. I feel fine about him being beaten so easily because Paikon was almost on SS2 level to me and cell couldn’t beat Gohan so an almost SS2 Level Goku with all the bonuses would have been able to fight Paikon

[@ThumbzPro]

The power up really seems more suited for Vegeta with ultra ego.

[@bencarignan2711]

With the clamness and control that comes with SSJG, I think Goku would have been able to reach even higher power multipliers in that form. Perhaps Kaioken x1000 with time and training. I like to think that pushing his power level higher and higher in the SSJG form would allow him to unlock more powerful forms, like SSJ3 & 4, but with the red hair/fur. They could've still moved onto blue after fulling exploring SSJG. Feels like a missed opportunity.

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

Loved when Goku used it when he used it against hit in super. Having the red and blue together was pretty dope. Maybe wrong but is super Saiyan as 50x multiplier would it be equivalent to a kaioken x50. Could be wrong but figure it’s why it was phased out as SS is the equivalent to 50x without the strain on the body.

[@DarthKamui]

Yes, in terms of a power increase, regular Super Saiyan and Kaiō-Ken x50 are equivalent, but Super Saiyan increases the Saiyan's power by unlocking a portion of their potential, while Kaiō-Ken increases the user's power by amplifying the _ki_ he/she is already using.

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

@@DarthKamui makes sense always appeared SS didn’t strain the user while even a few time Kaioken severely drained Goku. Won’t lie as a kid watching him hit it and fight Vegeta is one of my favorite parts of DBZ. He’s strong but not fracture the universe strong yet.

[@xlro8f853]

Super Kaoken makes anything high diff, and it’s no substitute for a legit power level unless you’re already close , which Goku and Cell at the time we’re not.

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Off topic but I hope in the manga I really wish that goku vegeta and broly could feel gohans energy on earth it would be so dope to see their reaction to gohan snapping