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[@CinnamonBreadBun]

playing top tier america on GRB in the currrent state right now is the equivalent to agreeing for someone to test out CBT to you.

[@black_thunder2159]

not someone, playing top tier US GRB is literally an entire group of people in the same room, everyone in this side of team are almost always equally bad players with super super rare occasion of actually smart player that got dragged in.

[@jb7483]

Too many one and dones.

[@TheConnorM]

@@black_thunder2159when you have something like the S1 at 11.7 and not higher like it should be you can’t use CAS. 5 minutes in you have someone with a 40km launching at you and turning around to go re arm not having to worry about anyone shooting at you because the US and most nations that get paired with them 90% of them time cannot shoot at it. “Oh but you could go spawn in an aircraft and kill them” hard to do that as well when you k ow someone spawned in a S1 in the first 5 minutes. I’m not saying that Americans players are good. I play america and many are dumb but considering you can’t do almost anything about S1s or any other long range SPAA is obnoxious. There are ways to kill them like spawning in a Viper and launching mavericks at 15km but you need quite the amount of points to do so and by then your team is all dead and gone and no use in it.

[@DaSteeJ07]

Pantsir completely negates any CAS America is known for having

[@chrehm337]

It denies all other nations CAS to be honest. It is crazy how much more powerful it is compared to all other nations top tier SPAA while being at the same BR.

[@Skinny6539]

wrong, just get good and overcome it dont complain

[@colonelsdemise3585]

​@@Skinny6539you're completely wrong buddy.

[@duke0salt717]

Man can u imagine if all top tier nations has a Panstir equivalent. Ground forces would actually be ground forces

[@SovietUnion_]

No it fking doesn't, F16C, Gripen, Av8 and some Chinese planes are able to swing TV guided munitions either from beyond Pantsirs range, or will simply appear out of horizon, drop and dissappear, while Pantsirs can't do anything about it. CAS is too powerful

[@-Reliaks-]

local guy who spent several videos shitting on people who struggle trying to play the american tree realizes their complaints were completely valid and that gaijin really does deliberately punish america for existing

[@colintomlinson1486]

Glad somebody else noticed.

[@AdaaDK]

no, its bad players punishing America for existing, well that and idiots without lineups. Should be banable offence.

[@TheConnorM]

@@AdaaDKI agree america had bad players but considering spawning an SPAA 11.7 or higher is a waste of time since you can be killed outside it’s engagement range by double its own max shooting range.

[@ireallycant4416]

@@AdaaDKyou don’t play american top tier stfu

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

Gotta love him walking back his statements after realizing how fucking bad gaijin purposely underpowers US vehicles as a propaganda mechanism.

[@jcaytonii]

I remember when this guy was saying nothing was wrong with america top teir

[@matad1917]

Do you mean two weeks ago?

[@_dpod9883]

"Nothing is wrong with US top tier!" *Plays US top tier* "US top tier is hell"

[@blackout-yr6zv]

Yeah that’s all of the creators “It’s not that bad the tree is manageable if you know what you’re doing” then you hear nothing but excuses as to why they were getting steamrolled some games just like us because it’s not all U.S mains it’s just some that one death and leave and have no skill

[@Nocina]

What makes me crazy is that now there is air ordonance that out range top tier spaa missiles , so basically you and your team are just sitting ducks with no counter to russian air bias .

[@simeontinkov4939]

I’m not so sure about that, whenever I get killed 90% of the time it’s an f-16

[@_dpod9883]

They can add the AGM 88 HARM but tbh that would break CAS even more

[@JetfireQuasar]

Take an aircraft 🤷 SPAA are supposed to be for close-mid range cover.

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Unfortunately, the only real solution to balance Ground at the upper tiers is to introduce a mixed nation matchmaker like Air did.

[@lieutenant805]

no reason not too when there be a leo and t80 in most nations

[@rockerscum]

or just simply say "okay we gonna balance stuff" and artificially nerf/buff stuff according to the vehicle's performance instead of relying on realistic approaches when this is a game at the end of the day and not a combat simulator. But as long as whales keep shoveling big money into the machine, this way of balancing won't stop.

[@Thekilleroftanks]

Is this comment 10 years ago or are you just dumb? We already have mix nation mm, there is host of times where games are everyone vs everyone.

[@Papadimitry]

​@@lieutenant805sm3's and pantsirs/flarakrads arent in other countries

[@vogavation]

doesn't this already exist

[@World_of_War_Thunder]

Top tier USA is really rough, i absolutely agree

[@Skinny6539]

anyone who says that is bad at the game

[@black_thunder2159]

its really rough cuz ur entire team is filled with dogshit players... why is it super difficult for US mains to just admit just how bad they are at the game?

[@fluffythecat5413]

​@@Skinny6539lmao, usa players are literally the worst :( Having them as teammates is what is REALLY rough. 5 sec reload, good mobility, mediocre armor, great turret rotation speed. Why the fuck 5 of them die in >2 mins since the start of the game? Russian bias this, unbalanced that, lmao. Italians complain less than Americans.

[@MrBigblacksock]

Ok Mongo durrrrr

[@Papadimitry]

​​@@Skinny6539 well... I have full toptier lineup on US and played decent amount of games. 1. firstly US matchmaking is horrible af 70% of the time you get thorwn at holy spall liner trio of sweden germany and soviets which connects to my second point. 2. Spall liners shouldnt be even added to the game. Its rly frustrating to not get a kill on a side where it normally would and then get killed by a guy who got shot by you which creates these dumb early pushes resulting in your team leaving instantly. 3. US CAS is much much harder than those damn sm3's which flies completely carelessly and doing f14 phoenix tactic (spam->return to base->repeat) compared to f16 that has to evade at spawn simply because if theres a pantsir u dont get a launch warning and they always try to shoot you down right after the spawn 4. And of course clickbait/aim spam. Although AIM is harder to get.

[@captainconcernedsr.5360]

idk what ya'll smoking about cas being the main problem, the whole us mained team gets wiped almost immediately before cas becomes even close to a problem.

[@edwinortiz4421]

SM3 is just the cherry on top that kills the reminder 40% of the team in one run. Those who actually spawn a second time vs USSR have agreed to get fked by SM3s

[@dixieduffy7]

I'm sure if it was any other nation TEC would be calling for immediate fixes and balance changes. But the US? "How about just stop playing for a few months, until you forget how bad it is."

[@_dpod9883]

He also like 2 weeks ago said US top tier is fine

[@dixieduffy7]

@_dpod9883 and shortly before that, a satirical video making fun of US players for complaining about balance/accuracy. ... you know I'm starting to think TEC may be biased.

[@sealioso]

Italy :

[@yomaster12345]

Okay so here's the funny thing right? Back a few years ago the MiG27 was a fucking MONSTER at the highest top tier. It was constantly climbing to space when your SPAA wasn't looking and then it comes down outside of Radar angles and murders half your team's SAMs that do get spawned. The solution to this at the time was to spawn an F14A and kill them with Sparrows and bam no more MiG27 killing your team. I'd do this REGULARLY and kill like two to four MiG27s a game. It was nice because you could loiter mostly out of 2S6's max range and then go in for the kill and zip away at altitude. Do you know what they added like two or three updates later? The Pantsir. For the record, spawning air superiority fighters is still a valid tactic, it's just harder now because, 1) Russia has the best SARH missile in the game and it's always a toss up if you're facing a CAS jet or another air superiority jet, 2) if a Gripen spawns and kills you before proceeding to go drop GBUs because it can do that, 3) most of Russia's best CAS options can be fired from 10-20km away and are TV guided so it's a lot harder to kill them with SARH missiles now. On the flip side it's very EASY for Russia to do the same in their air superiority jets atm because the R27ER is just insane and F16s have to be pretty much top down attacking for Mavericks to reliably kill anything, especially since it's the only vector of attack that a Pantsir can't see you and kill you and your Maverick at the same time.

[@qxr7slayer586]

The worst is the British tree, not because the lineups are bad, but because of the dog shit ass matchmaking with other teams

[@rockerscum]

I totally experience the other side of the paper sheet. Fucking beamriding missiles on the British on first spawn apache are pure cancer, combine that stuff with Russia and the first 3 minutes of the game is yours, 4 free kills...

[@fluffythecat5413]

Italy exists, brother

[@jesusofbullets]

British tree definitely has some large gaps in it, like having a problem with no top tier light tanks, and an inferior ADATS. The HVM stormer is good, but they really need to give GB the Stormer II.

[@info0]

France getting paired with Britain and Germany most of the time. Good luck winning with that. German mains being oblivious af, French tanks being great on paper, but no explosive filler on their rounds really hurts, Britain having well, APDS which is "shell shattered" a lot of times. It's just... Frustration galore.

[@whiskywolff]

Lol, imagine if they put on the actual armor and bloody well fixed the stupid Bolshevik nonsense.

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

The game is a russian propaganda machine, once you realize that you can have fun. I spend my games TKing Ka-50s and Su-25 players

[@jeffmeadows3795]

Nobody wants to grind 500k for a single subpar vehicle like AA.

[@fboyg91]

Yep. That why I haven’t bothered to buy the Gepard 2A1. Why would I pay almost 2 million SL just for an SPAA that would earn me next to no money?

[@lucifersaow4403]

Unlock tanks through tec trees, but build your own line up with whatever you have

[@greg4318]

This will never change, particularly now with the situation in Ukraine. Gaijin is a Russian company and government control is extremely invasive. There is no way they will model the US or Britain accurately or provide competitive options - do you honestly believe they would tolerate a game where Russian vehicles were getting smashed by western designs. It ain’t going to happen. The modelling on the Abrams is so inaccurate it’s laughable and the lack of anti-CAS is absolutely intentional, not an oversight.

[@exploringtheplanetsn]

This is absolutely true people can’t separate their love of this game from reality. War thunder has to much on the line back in the homeland, to model accurately. I can guarantee you of the owner wasn’t Russian, this game would be way more accurate.

[@theBoarSkinner]

​@@exploringtheplanetsnHopefully sometime down the road the domain is purchased by a different company, could seriously bring the game to another level

[@DevilDolphin734]

I spawned the F-16C at top tier, climbed and tured away to give myself space. Turned back to find targets and and got deleted by the Pansir. It happens every time.

[@antares2767]

Yeah this is just too accurate 😢😢

[@benbased7740]

I like how you ignore the main issue lmao. M1A1 Click-Bait.

[@IlyaGuschin.]

...it's yes and no. If Click-Bait was OP, even with "bad players" driving them, the win rate would've been higher. Mine example: Ground SIM WW2 3rd preset Vehicles: Dicker Max, KW1C756(r) Dicker Max k/d 2.69 [nice], w/r 56% KW1C756(r) k/d 5.20, w/r 65% (All solo, no squad).

[@Likeaworm]

@@IlyaGuschin.bro it’s a top tier premium. One death leavers

[@Thee_Saturn]

Gaijin is a russian company soooooo there ya go (even though we see how destructive their vehicle's are during this new conflict)

[@jb7483]

And yet they are the only ones winning ground.

[@rustybooper270]

Yeh, i agree i did all the challenger 2s, and went back to 10,0/10.3, where for myself its a better degree of play and less steamrolls

[@vaguevtx5090]

I've tried using air superiority fighters in ground and the problems lies in things like the Pantsir and Tor ripping apart everything. So it's not that dogfighting isn't possible, it just isn't accessible or often viable. Especially since F16s, F15s, F14s, and F5s spawncosts are high even with A2A loadouts.

[@BladezAndrew]

Looking at WT Data Project America gets more ground kills per game than Russia does almost always albeit by a small amount at top tier yet winrate is always nearly HALF and at least the winrate part has been this way for YEARS the reason being is America at most of these upper tiers lack a lot of very basic shit, AA, anything to really counter CAS. But we’ll get to that later For starters I think the most important thing is the thing they never should’ve added spall liners. Whether you want to hear it or not the Abrams DOES have internal spall liners now if you want to count that as being different than having it be the final layer then FINE at this point I don’t care! Prior to spall liners they intentionally made the Anti Radiation Armor layer of Russian tanks act like a spall liner, although it only took away the smallest fragments, and internal armor carousel ate everything so why not model Abrams Turret basket literally fucking anything like that at this point would be good cause right now even lower side hull always takes out your gun breach every penetrating shot anywhere always takes out your gun breach, the spall on the Abrams is the worst out of any nation change my mind. you can never return shots if your shot. Also American tankers wear body armor so they literally need SOMETHING to put them on par with the top nations this is ridiculous. Next just the armor in general. We KNOW which tanks had 50mm UFP. We KNOW which tanks had upgraded hull armor. They like to say that “well only a few Abrams had DU hulls prior to SEPv3” woah who said anything about DU. You know that some especially export variants AIM got upgraded hull armor without being DU and Stop pretending that it’s classified and even if it was when did that ever stop Gaijin before? And really they should just add SEPv3 at this point since we REALLY KNOW that has upgraded hull Next utility. Other nations get LWR tanks, or APS systems. Where’s SEPv2’s trophy APS? Where’s our LWR? Things like that would also help slightly against the CAS is nowhere to be found AA…. Bro there just needs to be something here. After all the nerfs to every American AA’s ap rounds there isn’t an AA than can reliably take out tanks like every other nations AA. “Oh but the LAV AD gets Hydras!” Yeah and if you try to use the laser rangefinder with them they get pointed onto the fucking moon

[@jimbob4235]

also the shot trap on the abrams anything with a 20mm can kill a abrams from the front

[@ikmo_]

I think making top tier GRB actually have mixed teams like how it is with arcade (ex: All nations vs All nations) might help

[@danielfield2570]

What I dislike most about TT you touched upon. The outcome of the game is so divorced from how well you do. It's incredibly hard to carry because one, CAS is broken and two, no one on US premium teams second or triple spawns. I have a lot of respect for players who do well at TT with off-meta nations. I do a lot worse kill and cap-wise in my Leclerc (Using stock heat) than my Challenger 2s but manage to have a much better win rate purely because I get put with the US less often than with the Challys. TT is so unbalanced that I've stopped playing it for the most part, USSR, Germany and Sweden just obliterate the competition if they're on one team. Smaller nations like the UK, France and Japan just aren't significant enough to carry the torrent of AIM, Click Bait, Wolfpack and KVT players who don't have a clue what they're doing. I don't blame them, Gaijin aggressively markets the modern-day gameplay; you'd be forgiven for not even realising that the game covers the period from the launching of the HMS Dreadnought to the present. Even still at really top tier 12.7 games with less premiums, the US suffers and its always an uphill struggle with them. I don't know what the long-term solution is for the US, but I think for now hardcode the MM to never allow USSR, Germany and Sweden to be on the same team. Makes the game at least somewhat more balanced when the meta nations are on opposing sides.

[@SCP--op2eq]

Im A U.S Main My German Main And Soviet main are ww2 tier armor only but using the abrams is it normal to get 4 to 5 or 3 kills? on matches or 1 4 kill assist? like sands of sinai i get around 8 most of the time sense i love it but one map i do good 2 maps i do bad other 3 i do fine get 4 kills so its random i need people opinion on this if im doing fine or good

[@_dpod9883]

America always gets the short end of the stick There are several Abrams variants that could be added and some should of already been added (M1 TTB, M1 CATTB, M1A1 HA, M1A1 FEP, M1A1 TUSK, M1A1 APS, M1A2 SEP V3, M1A2 SEP V4, M1A2 APS). Hell some Abrams in the game are missing equipment it had. M1A2 has higher resolution thermal than the one in game, M1A2s don't have their M829A3 dart. all M1s past the IPM1 have the same protection because Gaijin won't model different gen DU armor. Also the fucking turret ring having only 60mm of protection? It has close to if not exceding 200mm. The SPAA issue could be solved if Gaijin reverted the SACLOS nerf that destroyed the ADATS and FlaRakRad. Its also no suprise that Gaijin tries to dilute US teams by forcing a skill gap with all the M1A1 AIMs and HC Clickbait. The M1 isn't a bad tank in game it is just extremely outdated. The newest Abrams in game is from 2007 (more like 1995 as it has nothing the 2007 upgrade added like new DU armor and a better APFSDS) fighting T series tanks from 2020.

[@scromker]

as a top tier british main (grinding sweden) you dont get to choose which major nation you get teamed with and i find myself begging not to get level 23 m1a1 aim us teammates, and if i do i just beg that the enemy team either gets knocked out before or just decide not use their cas, because british spaa, currently is just worse us spaa.

[@chimera2802]

Moving from 11.3/11.0 to 11.7 is rough, I can't play the 11.7 Abrams variants because they just aren't fun, 11.7 I have a win rate of around 35-40% and with the HC, aim and M1A1 I have about 45% win rate I also end up doing really well but the teams are literally just nowhere to be seen at 11.3 and 11.7 It's got so bad I've just stopped playing ground all together because I'm focusing on air tree so I can actually have a fair fight against air targets in ground rb

[@trikieu4517]

I have similar experiences as yours and at this point I’m just changing the nation I’m playing since I don’t enjoy air at all

[@audricmerryman8107]

The panstir is broken, i get killed 10-15km out in an f16 but my adats cant touch anything past 5km as long as its not sitting still. So my Cas option to go against thier planes or spawn in spaa that can maybe touch some of thier air.

[@InterstellarTaco]

Russia having hands down the best SPAA in the game, with the best Attack Helicopters in the game, and some of the best ground strike capability in the game all while almost always playing against the US is such a Vibe.

[@spectrex176]

It’s a good thing Russia irl military isn’t as capable as its warthunder

[@InterstellarTaco]

@@spectrex176 Russia is relevant due to their NucleT weapons. That's about it.

[@jetnavigator]

With the CAS BR changes, USA will have no CAS with CCIP or ability to accurately hit a target until 9.7.

[@_dpod9883]

You really don’t need CCIP until like 10.3 when AAM SPAA gets crazy

[@EXTREMEYAMUM90]

America above 6.7 has been destroyed so hard and they need to redo every BR increase they ever did last BR patch for America only

[@Likeaworm]

Remember when Gaijin had the no top tier premium policy?

[@CatWithAOpinion]

The only reason they'll raise the BR ceiling is so they can add newer shiny $90 premiums, mark my words.

[@Thunder000rednuhT]

You hit the nail on the head. Top tier America is mainly rough because its SPAA is not good. The HSTVL has some issues but its mostly just post pen damage. Without a bunch of fighter cover, your just gunna be picked off by Russian strike aircraft flying outside the ADATS range of 10km. I think a great option would be to just place a limit on altitude in ground battles at like 8km. To prevent planes from just freely farming kills outside your missile range.

[@IlyaGuschin.]

No alt limit! God no. And the problem with ADATS is not so as range [yes i know about bitch ass SU25SM3], but the G pull, after 4.5-5km the SAM just stops pulling, even SU39/25T [+MiG29SMT] can launch Kh-29TE from 8-6km and escape with no problems what so ever.

[@faustyplayz8464]

I used to play us top tier but the state of top tier is horrible so i have just been playing at 10.3 which completely gets rid of the threat of pantsirs. 10.3 also has a great line up (abrams, lav-ad, m118, kvt, bradley, a10)

[@gaulphlea3466]

Regarding the top tier SPAA for the USA, it is not how to add but what to add. America doesn't have a modern SPAA like Pantsir that Russia has

[@Just-My-Clips]

i love the hstv-l but the way its modeled in war thunder is laughable, its a great tank but gaijin refuses to model it proberly

[@tothmatyas2177]

And here comes the su27sm with 6 AAM and 4 kh29t + su25

[@carlosdowell4861]

The pantsir makes it impossible almost to play AA with an air superiority fighter you get instantly shit down as soon as you spawn and flying low isn’t even a solution the only solution is using terrain but in order to be effective as a fighter a little altitude is necessary so you can’t even play anti cas as the US as of now a new SPAA for the US would help but it would only do good if it has the range as the S1 or we do the brain dead thing and bring in anti radiation missiles to counter the S1 system this is stupid because it just will make the situation worse as the US will not be the only country to receive anti radiation missiles like the AGM 88 (Im pre sure that’s what it’s called pls correct me if I was wrong about anything as this is all from memory)

[@twothouse123]

The only problem is the harm was designed for stationary targets unless they add the most modern ARGM. And we all know that gaijun won't do that cz it's "classified and too modern" but I'm sure we will get another new t90 variant. It'll always be us 90s tech vs rus 2020 tech

[@RubberFacee]

I wosh they would make dedicated spawn which would get overrun and camped and the only thing I have is 5 secs of invicibility I'm in a spaa and mouse is looking at me 😢

[@robodriod]

the main issue with top tier GRB outside of single spawns is the high Volume of radar based AA untill they add Anti-Radiation missiles to allow players to complete a SEAD type of role High tier AA will always prevail

[@garrettmiller1355]

The sep v2 could have gotten trophy, making it unique and better againts the heil threat.

[@Just-My-Clips]

another thing america top tier hasnt gotten a new tank or anything for ages so theres no reason for good players to play top tier

[@IlyaGuschin.]

They, kinda did, but it was Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

[@_dpod9883]

@@IlyaGuschin. M1A2 SEP and SEP V2 (Same Exact Protection/V2)

[@IlyaGuschin.]

@@_dpod9883 that's why Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

[@TheRealSteve42]

There’s a lot more AAs they could add to the game, and I’m not quite sure why they haven’t. Medium range SAMs for *ALL* nations, not just one, would solve a lot of problems. Hawk and I-Hawk, 2K12 Kub, etc. Max BR for tanks should be increased to 12.7, and in combination with the newest changes to aircraft BRs in ground BR, this would solve a lot of problems. Despite being relatively short range in the grand scheme of SAMs, the Pantsir should still go to 12.7 if this occurs due to its modern radar, fire control system, and ultra fast smokeless missiles and lack of RWR lock tone. Gaijin really took a step in the wrong direction adding such a modern SAM without fixing the BRs first or adding more Cold War SAMs

[@jetnavigator]

I find that teams of any nation collapse at top tier.

[@spectrex176]

U won’t find any other nation with a 30% win rate tho

[@rileysexton3043]

US top tier does suffer a decent bit, but I enjoy it because I love playing America so much that I just had to get better. To the point that whenever I play Russia or Germany I’m always top of the board without a doubt

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

Yeah it’s rough because the teams don’t last. The Abrams is excellent but it’s nearly impossible to carry with any vehicle on your own. Most of my experience is based on playing 11.0, and really when in a top tier battle I have had the most success speed running CAS such as the YAH-64 and F-4E and put a dent in the enemy team before losing. For those who play true US 11.7-12.7 top tier, I recommend trying other server regions. I found US teams to be significantly better in EU servers.

[@piggyharris7988]

As someone at Brit top tier, yeah America has it pretty rough, the Abrams is not very good

[@RagexPrince683]

They just need to increase the amount of respawns/(most likely and) make games last longer. I feel like it isn't just a US problem but more of a top tier one.

[@andrewpeterson6526]

I have found america top tier ground not to bad anymore, just play smart

[@Butane9000]

Part of the problem is the most reasonable addition which is the Patriot missile system but it's operational range is absolutely ludicrous at a low end of 80km. Considering it's effectively in the game already as the Type 92 they could add the AN/TWQ-1 Avenger and fold it in with the Chapparal but again that's a 9.3 vehicle not top tier. The only other option is the Stryker SHORAD which is a better LAV-AD that has Stingers (still lacks range) and Hellfire ATGMs. The only other immediate option would be the Bradley Linebacker which replaced the TOW launcher with yet again another Stinger launcher. Needless to say the American military seems to not feels SPAA SHORAD vehicles need anything more then a Stinger to be effective. This means either the Stinger simply isn't as good in game as it is in reality (quite possibly) or that the US military which hasn't fought a military on-parity in terms of tech in several decades and is operating on outdated doctrine in terms of munitions and materials. Or the fact that they supplement the Stinger based SHORAD systems with extra long range systems like the Patriot. The most effective means to address this would be to add in a sub tech tree to the US tree which would help fill the SPAA gaps.

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

They could add the Hummer AIM-120/AIM-9X SPAA

[@Butane9000]

@@Iden_in_the_Rain You're right I missed that one.

[@ordeithx]

The military doctrine for the USA is air superiority and combined arms doctrine. The game isn't set up to allow the USA to really shine, nor does it give them the true ordinance at their disposal.

[@IlyaGuschin.]

It really goes to US Doctrine. If you have air dominance, why would you need medium range SPAA, short range stinger is cappable to deal with low flying helis or some close range stuff that the enemy can through at you. Plus, the stinger carrier [like LAV-AD or Bradley] can support troops on ground, unlike SPAA with SAM's.

[@MT11222]

Oh, so China have the same problem? No... BECAUSE THE ZTZ IS NOT AS POPULAR AS ABRAAMS, the problem is the high tier premiums.

[@ILikeTuwtles]

China has basically the same win rate as Russia at 11.7+

[@bradleycavalier1311]

Still hoping that they will push out the exp bonus for other nations once you already have one complete. playing japan right now and I have no cas, or AA yet, SoonTM!

[@mumkey2861]

M1A1 clickbait certainly doesn’t help. Still so many people on US top tier leave after one death i stopped playing USA because of that

[@c8h18octane5]

I have top tier US and GER. I dont play above 8.0 So they look pretty in the tech tree Rank 1-3 is still the funnest I would play more without CAS I actually dont have key binds for AGMs or know how to use a lot of top tier features. Why? Its just not fun. And its too much work to learn. Ill go roll around in my M8, Tiger 105, or anything else rank III and laugh and have a great time while revenge bombing with something that only has 2 500lbs bombs that take good aim

[@AdaaDK]

All they gotta do to fix the issue is force people to use lineups, the 1 spawn leave issue, is the main problem for USA at high br imo. If people where forced to use figthers or AA or even 2-3 spawn MBT´s there would be MUCH more fun and longer and more even matches. Its a mix of noobs running the prems or the AIM(squadron tank), combined with people not running actual lineups.

[@FatJoe98100]

Top Tier America Ground is Rough... You Don't Say...

[@SVPER43]

How about... a ground-only game mode? Insane right?

[@oppositelock4356]

Tbh American main and have stopped playing top tier. I have about a 23% win rate and it just gets so tiring to constantly loose. Stick with air or lower BRs. 10.0 is pretty fun just not higher

[@ILikeTuwtles]

Ask a Russia main if they think CAS is overpowered at top tier. Also, I can understand new players in premiums bringing down a nation's winrate but I don't think the Click-Bait accounts for the US having a 37% win rate at 11.7. I'm a German main but I've been grinding the US tree with the M1 KVT and I manage a 62% win rate with roughly a 3 K/D, but the Abrams' are painful to play. I think the main reason is because their "weakspot" is just so much easier to hit than any other nation. Not to mention M774 for the KVT has absolutely abysmal spalling, coupled with the fact that weakspots on its direct competitors like the 2A4 and TURMS are very small and/or don't offer consistent one shots from the front. Oh yeah, the LITENING II pod on the F-16C has also been bugged and has gen 1 thermals when it should be gen 2, and Gaijin hasn't fixed it for over 5 months now. Really shows how little they care about US vehicles. Something that could probably be fixed by 1 dev in 5 minutes.

[@robertshaw5296]

Why don't they just reduce the Br like they did the Russians a year or so ago You don't have to have a 11.7 tank in your line up

[@romanboi3115]

America suffers from CAS spammers, Bad Players, and 1-deathers

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

And the fact that every single vehicle at top tier is artificially nerfed either through armor, the round they get or the radar and range…. Because we all know ruzzians cant be seen getting stomped by western tech

[@Frost_x_NB]

Buff the Abram’s dammit. It’s not that good. And it’s serious. Player base or not tank for tank the Abram’s is trash compared to almost every other nation. SEPv2 need M829A3. Turret rings need better volumetric models and UFP is laughable and doesn’t ricochet half the shots it should. 81°-83° almost if not all shots should be bouncing. But not on the Abram’s. You can even test this out in the Protection analysis

[@user-jc2in3cp3g]

Abrams consistently bounces rounds from low profile mbt such as the t80s and t72s

[@fboyg91]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

Skill issue… all the way. The Abrams is a defensive tank at heart. Designed to win the first encounter while in the defense, then counterattack while the enemy is weak. The proof is in doctrine. So with that being said, players in warthunder obviously aren’t going to know that unless they served on the tank. So the design of the tank doesn’t fit the current meta in warthunder.

[@curtsauce3947]

@@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405thats just not how war thunder works.

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

@@curtsauce3947 read above….. that’s why the Abram’s doesn’t fit the warthunder meta……………….

[@BugattiONE666]

"Top Tier USA is Bad" So whats Britain, France, Italy and Japan?

[@KSIREBEL]

Japan is crazy good. The rest I will concede have their own issues, but high tier Japan is by far the most fun I've had at top tier. The only thing that would make them better IMO is a longer range SAM, especially against helos

[@SHEEPS_123]

If i wasn't so patriotic I would always take out the 2S38 over the HSTVL because it is far more versatile, and the fire rate is worth the drop in penetration. I am always far more successful in the 2S38 than the HSTVL at 11.7

[@cagrkocaslan5783]

For me its otherwise. 2s38 has very shitty mobility, no depression other hand hstvl is crazy mobile and has incredible depression and can shoot and hide over every ridge.

[@SHEEPS_123]

@@cagrkocaslan5783 I think its a matter of play style, but I would say that the two tanks are very similar in effectiveness

[@peosio96]

Even if the add better shinny equipment for US, the amount of Click-Tards will drag everyone down.

[@beherith2874]

no point to play US top tier since update new power if you really wanna get to the bottom of it

[@literallyartemis]

What needs to be done more than anything is better maps, better matchmaking, and above all else LESS FUCKING CAS SPAM. We can't complain about the Pantsir like some people in the comments are if you're spamming aircraft. Actually utilize your ground vehicles, good or not, and actually play the objective and you will legitimately do better. Top tier in general is a cesspool but where the US suffers the most are the mindless aircraft spam and level 25s with some high tier vehicle that makes them utter dead weight. Britain and Italy have similar issues but at least their players actually use their tanks..

[@Likeaworm]

*Laughs in Germany*

[@exploringtheplanetsn]

How to fix American spaa in top tier. Add the Ukrainian Buk with sea sparrows, and put in the American tech tree 😂😂

[@jameswilson6171]

2s38 no crew at all in turret, Hulled down can’t be killed unless HE hits it, bounces stuff it shouldn’t, triple the fire rate, plus AA capabilities so how is the HSTVL put so much higher again?

[@heiretikal2204]

its because abrams is the easiest top tier mbt to kill in the game

[@idontknow4684]

People who say American ground is bad never played italy lol

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

It’s a skill issue…. I have a 2 kd in M1A2 and M1A2 Sep with around a 50% winrate in both. American ground players are just bad….. and everyone else knows it’s. So people who play more than one nation like myself farm the tomato soup cans who play the U.S. ground tree.

[@bearschannel9915]

Can we talk about America don't have shit at 10 yet Russian as over 8

[@SHEEPS_123]

you mean 10.7

[@kiss4luna]

i went back to play US tanks recently, i get used to it. but yes top-tier US tanks are bad in the game

[@theaveragegamer7221]

Won a single game out of 20

[@o-hogameplay185]

even if they add more SPAAs, it will do absolutely nothing to CAS. even a midly skilled CAS enjoyer (it only requires like 2 braincells, tho it is rare amongst them) will outrange any and all SPAAs. the only solutions is to actually, and finally add a "GROUND" mode to the game

[@OoZeD]

Can someone explain to me why the M1KVT is at the same br as the Leo2 123 and the Turms ? the USA felt like that after 7.0, dogshit, still play it though.

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

Because the KVT is better than both if you know how to play it……

[@OoZeD]

@@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405 Just because you think its better it doesn't mean it actually is.

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

@@OoZeD it is, sounds like a skill issue

[@OoZeD]

@@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405 post your rb w/r %

[@VexTheLatios]

Didn't you recently make a video crapping on top tier american players for feeling top tier america was getting screwed?

[@StetoGuy]

Honestly as a ground player (i really don't have an interest in aircraft), after just dying to CAS so many times, whenever I die to one I often just leave because I just can’t be asked to try and deal with CAS.

[@Pinprix]

=======USSR ===== Best Radar missile (27ER), Best Air to Ground missile in multiple aspects(Kh 38 by a wide margin), Amazing Pods for Air to Ground, Armored Cas Aircraft Best Air Defense(by massive margin), (Pantsir, 2S6 and Stella at too low BRs) Highest Tier(capability) Tanks and support vehicles, Massive lineups to win games Fastest helicopter borne ATGM(by wide margin), Fast Tanky Helo, Spall Liner, 1/2 Best IR missiles in game(R73) Just call it what it is TEC, stop dancing around the problem with "America needs better AA", USA and other nations are playing with 10 to 20 year old tech in the game and Russia have 2020 lvl of their equip and weapons in the game. And leak lists show zero improvement in any of these areas so far for other nations. Its a joke lol --Russian Bias with no end in sight--

[@piechy]

Hstvl being survivable is fucking laughable.

[@TheEuropeanCanadian]

It’s very survivable

[@IlyaGuschin.]

​@@TheEuropeanCanadian....until someone "finally" desides to load HE, or ATGM from BMP2M hits one pixel. [Fun fact T90A has HE with time fuze, that's working better than TOW2B, so yeah, "killed behind a hill"]

[@Collat3ralD4mage]

The hstvl has bounced many dm53s that I’ve shot at it on the ufp and never dies in one shot I’d say it’s pretty survivable

[@manuelarocho8131]

Besides you get it hull down you'll never die unless you get gaijined. But everyone does. Or HE rounds which is barely a thing apart from Russia and later Leo's.

[@andrewfitzsimmons-evans405]

@@IlyaGuschin.to be fair HE kills basically everything at top tier if you hit the hatches.

[@frankbradley4487]

America gets the best toys but they are the most gimped toys as well. That is their problem.

[@jesusofbullets]

Not even the best toys, just the most toys.

[@ireallycant4416]

Toys being altered bad intentionally

[@theonlyhamster]

To be honest, All CAS vehicles need to be restricted to above 1800 SP, it is FAR too easy to spawn aircraft and people shouldn't have to play AA just to get the rash of players spamming helis and planes to leave the match. 1800 minimum for Helis and 1900-2000 for Aircraft dependant on era.

[@sturmalpha7288]

Did u mean top tier usa is shit rn?

[@TrepidDestiny]

I quite simply don't buy the narrative that "US teams are just bad/braindead/skill issue". US players have had the same experience to get to top tier as any other nation. Look at the "German main" stereotype for early-late mid tier. Early game makes sense to have bad players, it's populated by new players grinding. But by the time you are on top tier, German mains, Russian mains, US mains, everybody has had the same level of experience. I'll have a dog crap time playing US top tier, loss after loss, 1-2 kill matches, then switch over to Japan or USSR (the other two nations i've maxed out) and have a lovely time. Even when i'm teamed up with US. Just US by itself though? Nah dog. People also say it's because of Clickbait/AIM/KVT. Sorry, don't buy that either. Leopard 2 pzbtl/PL hasn't tanked Germany win rates, Type-90 Fuji hasn't tanked Japan's, T-80UD/UK hasn't tanked USSR's. I'm not going to get on the US main bandwagon of "but muh freedom booms not boomin like it supposed to" "Muh DU inserts!". But there is definitely SOMETHING going on mechanically with the US that is putting it at a disadvantage to other nations at top tier.

[@Luisasophie163]

HSTVL is better lol XD strongly disagree i play both but its youre opinion XD but i agree with cas and unbalanced nations making toptier not fun

[@Godofchaosdragons]

I physically cringed when you said lavad. You say the individual letters L A V - A D.

[@AgentAlex96]

Keep the faith, trust the plan.

[@DaSteeJ07]

The fact that T90M has more armor than SEPv2 yet weighs half as much is crazy

[@Tanker000]

Abram Sep variants are classified

[@lucasmateus1389]

Abrams is something like great steel box with many DU plates

[@lucasmateus1389]

Yes, but abrams have the same shape of roblox character ​@@Tanker000

[@DaSteeJ07]

@@Tanker000 idc what the armor values are, a vehicle that weighs double the weight of another will have more armor. Period

[@lucasmateus1389]

Whatever it have very very cool desing at lastest's versions

[@battlerog_fr]

Bruh , america top tier rough , get out of here , 3rd best nation for personnal performance rn for me , i have other nation at top tier that do way worse .

[@haydendill6288]

Hstv-L > 2s38? = Bad Take | L loss | Scrub a dub fool | Berlin is your favorite map | Cry a river | lol

[@Collat3ralD4mage]

Have you played both?

[@Skinny6539]

just get good

[@uniquescorpions4802]

USA top tier is great, it’s broken, the reload is good, the armor is good, there are a lot of “blueprint” top tier tanks they get that are OP. The 5 second reload isn’t real, it’s not balanced. Its real reload is about 6.8-7.2 secs to load the average being 7.0 secs. The Top tier spaa is Both a tank destroyer AND an AA. The helicopters aren’t the best, but if you look at the AH-1Z it’s actually broken. Aim 9ms, etc. speaking of Aim-9ms they are very broken, since you have a 18% chance to dodge in the perfect dodge conditions.

[@curtsauce3947]

You have to be on drugs to believe this. Russia, Germany, and Sweden are leagues better in every way except top tier planes, but even that is negated by the panstir