Tiran 4S - Update Wind Of Change Dev Server - War Thunder

[@Norrikan]

Fun fact about the Tiran series: When the Israelis captured all those Egyptian tanks after the Six-Day-War they were kinda baffled why the Egyptian tank crews were seemingly always outside their vehicles. Turns out the tankers were instructed to use the T-54s *exactly* as their translated manuals demanded. Which, being written for Russian weather, included turning up the heating unit to the maximum, resulting in a toasty ~50°C inside the tanks. So one of the first things the Israeli engineers did was strip out the heater entirely and replace it with a cooling unit obviously much better suited to the climate of the region.

[@wifi_soldier5076]

That cant be true right? They couldn't have been that stupid? 😂😂😂

[@sagpanda5146]

@WIFI_SOLDIER just thinking the same thing, but then again maybe Egypt didn't have the money or time to refit their tanks and just used them stock

[@wifi_soldier5076]

@@sagpanda5146 no I mean Turing the heaters on so the tank was 50 degrees inside. How could they be that stupid.

[@Norrikan]

@@wifi_soldier5076 Calling them stupid is somewhat unfair. They had translated manuals, but to my understanding nothing inside the tank was labeled in a language the tankers could read. As such they had to rely on the manuals as they were given - if you've ever tried assembling something according to a shoddily translated manual you know how awkward that can be.

[@Apollo_1641]

In the movie "The beast" (1988), they actually used a israeli Tiran tank to represent a T-55 in the soviet afghan war. Can't wait to put on some desert camo and play as a mentally deranged tank commander xD.

[@Dan86130]

"de bisd" -olivud

[@Apollo_1641]

@Helmet Head Possibly! But I will try to be slightly less toxic, so hopefully none of my crew will try to blast me with an RPG.

[@pabloteixido2155]

Is going to be awesome

[@Apollo_1641]

@Helmet Head That would be pretty badass. Gonna start the grind as soon as the update drops. Ingame name is Apollo_1641 👍

[@Apollo_1641]

@Helmet Head Nice. Going to bed now, will add tomorrow

[@sagpanda5146]

I'm just researching the T-10M at the moment, Soviet vehicles are my highest tree so not having all the fancy technology is just fine for me. Although I do get jealous when seeing other MBTs/Medium Tanks with high tech gear (STAB, Rangefinders, HEAT and autoloaders) and I just have to use the same brute force tactics like the T-34/44 beforehand.

[@duke0salt717]

Your right a lot of soviet mediums have similar advantages and draw backs. good firepower, speed and usable armour mixed with poor gun depression and a long reload. I like that it makes playing Soviets comfy. It's not like Germany where you get a bunch of heavy tanks then bam leos.

[@rafa5361]

The reload on it isn't finished. They just copy pasted the one from the other 100mm T-54s. It should be in line with the other L7 tanks

[@captaindreadnought212]

probably would be a little slower, the T-54's turret is much smaller than a Centurion or M60

[@rafa5361]

@@captaindreadnought212 True, although I wouldn't be surprised if gaijin just went the lazy way and made it the usual 8.7 second reload. Afterall, the Leopard, Centurion, Merkava, M60, and more all share that same reload

[@maorcohen5693]

@@rafa5361 they gave the M-51 a reload time of 9.7 seconds compared to the 8.7 seconds of the amx-30 so they might do the same here

[@camronrapp4146]

Any new T54s are fine by me

[@filmcameras4evr45]

Second that. The Tiran 5 and 6 will be interesting to see too

[@sturmi9783]

Extremely excited for this tank can't wait for the others to come, the only downside in my opinion is that it doesn't have a .50cal, it is a T-54 after all so it makes sense that it doesn't have all the bells and whistles, hopefully the Tiran 5 will, Tiran 6 is gonna be kickass as well

[@floppflopp4771]

i really love how this tank looks like and also the 7.7 israeli lineup look strong a shmae that the 7.3 one doesnt have any plane to bring

[@DIVeltro]

This tank is a total POS. A f**kin tractor with a bb gun. Battleship turrets train faster then the turret of this turd. I gave up on the Israeli tree at that point. It totally sucks.

[@floppflopp4771]

@@DIVeltro i already have top tier on israel and that tank is quite decent for the br

[@duke0salt717]

What is really underappreciated is the fact the T 54s are completely immune to auto cannons from the front and pretty much have to be dead on to pen the side armour

[@ofekk213]

it seems the reload is wrong. its the reload of the russian 100mm gun and not the reload of the L7 105mm gun (M68 is an american lisence production version of the british L7A3 cannon)

[@Shmuzznik]

Later Tiran 4\5 has an additional 50 cal and mortar so those might have smokes from that.

[@pabloteixido2155]

The beast of war time is here baby

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

Finally, a different, unique vehicle

[@jadedketchup515]

I will love the tank for sure 😀

[@Hunt3rr4455]

Do you use TAA anti aliasing? It causes noticeable blur, you should give SSAA 4X a try and turn off TAA, see if you like it because the image is way sharper like that, I use a 2070 so I imagine it should run alright

[@AgentZombie6021]

Tiran 6 when Gaijin

[@el_DartoSuprapto]

And t-54 1947 sits at the same br

[@ofekk213]

the tiran 4 and 4Sh are based on the 1951 variant.

[@el_DartoSuprapto]

The tiran got better weaponry anyways What makes 1947 better than any other t-54???

[@d3fc0n545]

@@el_DartoSuprapto I don't get it either, it should be folded with the 1949 at 7.3 and the 1951 should be the only one at 7.7.

[@ugenecommunistpartyofburma1833]

@@d3fc0n545 that's right inorder to get mod 51 I have to grind mod47 and that is fking pain in the ass the grind should be 47-49-51

[@ofekk213]

@@el_DartoSuprapto here are the diffrences beteen the original russian t54 variants and the israeli mods: T-54 (1947) - original turret design similar to the IS-3 turret, UFP has additional 20mm armour plate which brings the UFP to 120mm of RHA, which can sometimes stop L7 APDS on medium ranges. no access to HEATFS or APDS. T-54 (1949) - updated turret design to the dome shape we all know, 20mm plate on the UFP removed so the UFP RHA equivelant is noe 100mm instead of 120mm, has access to APDS. T-54 (1951) - turret armour on sides and rear upgraded (on sides: from 125 -> 160. fon rear: from 50 -> 65) and turret rear weakspot removed (on the 1949 turret if you rotated the turret 90° there would be a small hole that exposes the crew compartment, issue resolved with 1951 model), access to both APDS and HEATFS. Tiran 1 - repainted and virtually unmodified T-54 (1951). Tiran 4 - additional pintle-mounted .30 cal M1919A4 machine gun, as well as some minor changes that dont really reflect in war thunder like new loaders hatch that opens to the rear, new antennas, new gas and water cans, ect... Tiran 4Sh (called Tiran 4S ingame for some reason) - new Sharir 105mm cannon (lisence production of american M68, which itself is lisence production of bri'ish L7A3), new nightvision equipment, aiming system from the sherman (yes, russian aiming system was THAT bad), new FCS, ANOTHER M1919A4 .30 cal mounted on the center, SGMT coaxial MG replaced with 7.62mm browing MG, DShK 1938/46 replaced with M2HB .50 cal, and a bunch of small changes that do not matter in war thunder like new antenas, new drivers hatch, new ammoracks fitted for 105mm ammunition, ect... Ti-67S - general upgrade package for Tiran4Sh, tiran 5Sh and Tiran 6 tanks which includes: * blazer ERA * new Detroit Diesel 8V-71T engine with 609hp * new semi-automatic hydromechanical transmittion with a torque converter (in war thunder it means much more gears, access to neutral steering and much better reverse speed) * new modern (for the time) gun stabalization system * EL-OP Matador FCS * low profile commanders cupola * new and improves suspension * IR detectors (i think it can also be a LWS) * a bunch of small changes that dont matter in war thunder like replacing driver's tillers with an actual steering wheel, all internal fuel system, new final drives, ect... gaijin got the MGs on the tiran 4Sh completly wrong. it should have a coaxial 7.62mm browing, and 2 .30 cal MGs + 1 .50 cal MG on the turret. the israelis are the only ones to fit their tanks with more machine guns than the americans themselves.

[@kalsten2236]

if it comes out, how will I able to acess the Israeli tree?

[@Paraparaumu25]

Hi, you will need to be rank 4 in any other nation. Hope this helps.

[@vega3123]

The next patch will be the the Closed Beta for Isreali Ground meaning you’ll need to buy one of the packs. You can wait until patch after this one to play for free by having rank 4 in ground in countries gaijin days you need

[@ravenouself4181]

I will be honest, I love the T54/55 and this is an awesome modification. I don't look forward to the slow-ish turret traverse.

[@duke0salt717]

Once you play the other T 54s it's not so bad, still sucks but the hull traverse is great, i think its going to be worse than the soviet t 54s the Soviet 100 imo is better than the nato 105 slightly less useful apds and much less useful heat but it has both and an aphe for big damage. The problem with the Tiran 4s is the fact it doesn't have the soviet damage so it's got a long reload without a real benefit

[@slacksthelast7975]

Man tec really really dislikes that atgm truck like I feel like it hurt him or somthing lol

[@Insanerobert44]

He went trough the pain to play most of the ATGM carriers, like the M113 for Italy, Swingfire etc. Can't blame him for that..... Some of them are really fun and deadly, like the Russian IT-1, Raketenjagdpanzer-2 or the M901 "Wally" for US. But others are really hard to play since they're situational, the weapons system requires a specific gameplay and map setup and some battles may not even offer you the capacity to play them. Meanwhile you get stuff like BMP series, Marder-1, Bradley etc that can fight in any situation, can even take punishment (looking suspiciously to the compact BMPs which should ignite like a firecracker if penetrated but they always survive mirraculously) and are more flexible to play and with lots more tools to use in-game. M113 or Swingfire for example doesn't get Scouting nor Artillery, although it could definitely use them. Especially the Swingfire since it can't hit anything under 200m since the missile is launched upwards.

[@callingorb197]

when East German tanks?

[@skullcruncher1361]

You mean Russian tanks? They are already in the game.

[@yankee1376]

In light of current events it's hard to believe these Russian tanks are anything but rolling coffins.

[@danieleyre8913]

The T-55 has long been retired from Russian service. Ukraine still has a few in their armoury though.