Is $1000 P3D V5.3 Better Than FS2020? | Chicago - Shenzhen in the PMDG 777 | Best Graphics

Welcome to this P3D v5.3 video! In this video, we're flying the majestic PMDG 777 from Chicago to Shenzhen as China Southern Airlines 412. For more Prepar3D v5.3 (and FS2020) videos, consider subscribing to the channel!
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Addons used:
PMDG 777
Active Sky P3D
Drzewiecki Design Chicago Airports X P3D
Drzewiecki Design Chicago City X P3D
WF Scenery Studio Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport ZGSZ P3D v5
ORBX Global Base
ORBX Global Vector
ORBX OpenLC North America
Global TerraFlora v2
ORBX Global Buildings HD
Reshade (Lucas Cavatoni Preset)
TOGA Projects ENVSHADE
AIG AI Traffic
GSX
//42 Chaseplane
//42 777 Immersion V2
PC specs:
Intel Core i7 9700K @5.0Ghz
Asus ROG Strix Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 OC @ 1890Mhz
32 GB DDR4 RAM @3000Mhz
1440p 144Hz 27" Acer Monitor
Prepar3d v5 settings:
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Flight Sim Hardware:
Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X
Thrustmaster TFRP T.Flight Rudder Pedals
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[@TheFlightShow]

First of all, thanks for watching! If you enjoyed make sure to subscribe if you haven’t already! What do you think - can P3D compete with FS2020 in the future? Or is P3D dead? Write your opinions down below!

[@virtualaviator21156]

R .I.P P3D

[@juliashenandoah3965]

@@virtualaviator21156 P3D has them ALL, the full fleet: Everything from Carenado/Alabeo, every single study level plane from PMDG from the 737 to the Queen of the Skies and the 777, (probably but not sure) the Alabeo A2A Accusim Cessna, the good old study-level Captain Sim 757 767 and 777 Prepar3D/Cargo version, and many more.... In Flight Simulator 2020 only the PMDG Cloudmaster, 3 good Carenados, and the Aerosoft CRJ700 have arrived, and the PMDG 737 and the Fenix Airbus will probably take two more years of development (and the FS2020 PMDG Queen of the Skies version will take even longer.) P3D has such an immense head-start that it will probably take five years until FS20 will have the similar illustrious collection of study-level AAA planes to fully dive into flight simming. That´s why it´s still necessary to have P3D, X-Plane and FS2020 installed to have the maximum selection of great AAA addon-airplanes :) But in ~two years when another small wave of triple-A study-level planes will arrive like the PMDG737 and an early access Fenix Airbus for FS20 - the FS20 will become one of the topmost sims.

[@dmitrysinicin8285]

@@juliashenandoah3965 did all the planes appear in P3D at once? that's in MSFS, too, will appear over time

[@jb894]

P3D is 100% dead when MSF2020 gets proper study level aircraft like PMDG 737 etc.

[@airspeed_alive]

It has 5 to 8years left easy! MSFS won't see the range of aircraft we have in P3D for a long time

[@flyeagle320]

P3d has lots of plus when compared to MSFS but only negative is price and pricey addon . Whereas MSFS with only stock one you can enjoy the most . Once pmdg and flybywire bring long haul one. Then there is no turning back . By the way awesome video . Was glued to the end bro ❤️

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! Yeah definitely the price is a huge downside to P3D. Once the good aircraft are available in MSFS then P3D’s dead I think

[@anthonym1625]

isnt the A32NX a long haul?

[@ieurau-8583]

@@anthonym1625 no it isnt

[@Jannik_Stein]

P3d will never die! ....at least in our Hearts

[@leviisenia]

@@TheFlightShow Nah some ppl still don’t like the physics of MSFS

[@user-zc9zt2vl5s]

SHORT ANSWER... NO

[@miketheavgeek]

P3D has been the best so far in terms of simulation, but isn’t as eye candy as MSFS2020. It’s such a joy to be able to see the world almost how it looks like from above. Not talking about the feeling of flying through volumetric clouds! I will never go back! In addition the VR is super inmersive and will worth the wait to be well implemented! BTW, very good video, enjoyed the time watching :)

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah the graphics/scenery in MSFS is simply incredible! Every time I fly in MSFS I am in awe! Once there’s better aircraft it’ll be complete I think. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@siddharthbarodia3638]

Best, LOL

[@cpt_anthony]

@@siddharthbarodia3638 well hes kinda right, does MSFS have the PMDG 777, 747, FSLabs a320 family? Until MSFS gets better study level aircraft, P3D and X plane is still king in my books.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@TheFlightShowsorry if i asked this alredy, how many fps u get at london heathrew at P3D with plane traffic?

[@plane-dennisspotting7208]

Its way better. I dont like MSFS

[@TheFlightShow]

I like MSFS for everything except the aircraft. Once MSFS has high quality aircraft addons like the PMDG 777 it’ll be perfect

[@Youtub77W]

MSFS 2020 is a game for kids on xbox while P3D is a professional simulator

[@ramair6424]

I have a lot of money invested in P3D but I’m just waiting for better 3rd party long haul aircraft for MSFS. Still fly both but will fly P3D much less when the other planes come out. Awesome video!

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! I think I’m in basically the same situation as you. Can’t wait till PMDG releases aircraft in MSFS!

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@TheFlightShowp3d won't die due to it having better physics & targeted towards Profesionals such as pilots.

[@justtheguy27]

This was INCREDIBLE!!! Hats off for the effort you put into this video!

[@TheFlightShow]

Thank you very much!

[@CCA-zc7pj]

Hey, be kind to your plane and the cargo😢 You will definitely have a tailstrike during take off rotation if it is 300 or 300ER

[@TheFlightShow]

😂 yeah I was lucky not to get a tail strike cause I rotated too quickly.

[@bradymatlock]

Its a video game, chill

[@ehss192]

@@bradymatlock *cough* Excuse me, it's a S I M - U - L A T O R.

[@Chrisp707-]

Currently if you’re after long haul realism P3D is still by far the best option if you’re SOULY after every spec of realism possible in term of aircraft functionality. Unfortunately nothing good for long haul has come out yet.

[@branimirfilovski8388]

P3D is worth it. As a RL pilot and ATPL student it helped (and is still helping me) me a lot. MSFS without addons is a game to me (the only aircraft worth flying at the moment are Aerosoft CRJ and PMDG DC-6 in my opinion). I prefer system depth, navigation simulation... more than MSFS eye candy. Maybe I will buy MSFS once realistic addons get released like RealityXP GNS/GTN, PMDGs, etc... awesome video!

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah same here. I prefer realistic aircraft over realistic graphics/scenery (although P3D doesn’t look bad at all!). Hopefully with some good addon aircraft in the future MSFS will be better. Thanks as well!

[@TWCHHK]

If you want a realistic plane in msfs, wait out for the Fenix A320. This will be the plane that will make me fly in msfs. For now, it likks beautiful but the plane physics feel odd and "rc-plane-like" if you know what I mean.

[@branimirfilovski8388]

@@TWCHHK I think Fenix A320 will also make me buy MSFS if they bring it to a level of FSLabs or better. I am also waiting for a 100% realistic GTN and GNS simulation like RealityXP, because RXP GNS and GTN are 100% the same as real unit and they are emulating the actual software that is on a real Garmin unit. I saw that there is a payware GTN for MSFS but from what I have seen, its not realistic and its using the default MSFS navigation logic.

[@TWCHHK]

@@branimirfilovski8388 yeah GTN isn't worth it. I mean, MSFS is nice for vfr flying but if you want sth for ifr flying that you can use to practice as well, it's no it (yet). If you haven't already you could take a look at some of Fenix' videos. They covered vraious systems and they wen't really really deep in simulating them as realistically as possible. The way the different systems interact and have an effect on each other is unlike anything I've seen until today...

[@rayjennings3637]

It's always low and slow for me so the eye-candy of MSFS clinches it although I still have P3D installed and take a trip down memory lane from time to time. Great video.

[@WARVIATION]

memory lane lol

[@decendx]

FS2020 crashes,lags,glitches on my laptop.P3D V5.3 will be my primary flight simulator.

[@rafaelc.1770]

P3d have more ctds my man

[@aviatorsound914]

P3D was originally designed to be used for realistic military simulation and it’s kind of the default software for many of the in real life simulators…

[@CristiNeagu]

The problem with FS2020 is that it is not meant for in depth simulation. It is an entertainment product. I have spoken to some very knowledgeable people and I have read enough from even more knowledgeable people to know that at a fundamental level, FS2020 is not designed to have avionics as complex as P3D, running as smoothly as P3D. This issue is somewhat masked by FS2020's more efficient graphics engine, but the JS/HTML used for avionics is orders of magnitude slower than a C++ implementation. PMDG wrangling their addons into FS2020 is more of a challenge than when they first wrangled their addons into FS9. At least FS9 was way more open than FS2020. And according to PMDG themselves, the support for developing and debugging complex addons is non-existent. They said they need to use P3D to develop addons for FS2020. That is embarrassing. And even if we stop looking at complex airliners and instead look at small GA planes buzzing around, doing sight seeing, it is still plenty apparent to anyone that FS2020 does not want the user to have to deal with any of the realities of flight. Aerodynamic effects are dumbed down to not get you in trouble. The controls are made unrealistic on purpose for the same reason. Load up an Icon A5, and move your joystick from side to side and back and forth and observe what the in sim stick is doing. And while the aerodynamics out of the box are definitely better than P3D or FSX defaults, they are not that good. They do not match with X-Plane aerodynamics, or with realistic P3D addons such as those by A2A. And developers have been pointing out these things from the start. In some cases, even before the start, from early beta. They have been trying to get through to Microsoft and Asobo with constructive criticism, trying to accomplish what Microsoft was advertising: the simulator that simmers have been dreaming of. But the fact that Microsoft have completely ignored most of these developers and have taken on board a novice developer team with next to no experience that have never worked on a flight simulator addon before speaks volumes of their strategy. FS2020 is what it is: An entertainment product posing as a sim, that developers with enough time and resources on their hands can occasionally wrangle into a working simulation. I gave up on it a long time ago, but I am hoping PMDG's 737 and A2A's Comanche will make it worth while. As always, it is up to the developers to save a flight simulator, as they did with FSX. Too bad Microsoft has nothing but contempt for third party developers.

[@Arvidje]

yeah you are absolute right about this.. its a shame, msfs has a lot of potentials..

[@burgadahz17]

And now what do you say to me Bro?

[@CristiNeagu]

@@burgadahz17 Same exact thing.

[@burgadahz17]

@@CristiNeagu Then you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

[@g7usl]

For me, P3D will ALWAYS be better than that 'Xbox' sim.

[@tedyi8588]

p3d 10 percent and pmdg 90 percent

[@gwadacaps06]

i turned back to v4 after to be angry by CDT's MSFS2020

[@alexanderestrada5026]

Yeah look at all the mods you have to add to get it to look good.

[@Radar_Contact]

Tbh I feel sorry for the people who invested a lot in p3d

[@planefreak747]

I feel like msfs is more eye candy and p3d has more realistic flight dynamics

[@TheFlightShow]

Not sure about the flight dynamics in P3D but certainly the depth of the simulation (aircraft) is miles ahead

[@planefreak747]

@@TheFlightShow that part

[@coolcat-nq4mj]

Literally why do u need eye candy in a game that's suppose to simulate real life flying, but to make it look realistic just get google maps mod

[@luckyme5063]

@@coolcat-nq4mj u need to do vfr sometime

[@virtualaviator21156]

Huh msfs all the way..... Prepared tweaking simulator 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@b747man3]

Just wait till MSFS has been out as long as P3D or FSX, and there are a ton of addons for it.

[@YAboss1243]

no need for wing lights during taxi. Espically with cargo ops. It's mostly used for inspection

[@TheFlightShow]

Oh ok thanks! I’ll keep that in mind next time!

[@YAboss1243]

@@TheFlightShow no prob, most operators switch them on before takeoff and then off past 10K. Great vid btw

[@maxdenhaag1]

It depends on the weather, in icing conditions u need wing lights even during takeoff and landing

[@YAboss1243]

@@maxdenhaag1 Yeah thats what I said. But for normal conditions it isnt needed during taxi. Im a private pilot. Not in any FAR, but I was always taught to reduce your lighting as much as possible during taxi as to not blind/distract other pilots. Granted the required lights need to be on

[@747simmer4]

at lax (my home airport) i commonly see planes taxi around with the wing light on even in day light operations

[@ahmadalkhader2362]

Absolutely great efforts thank you for sharing it and for sure you deserve a huge like and a new subscription keep it up 👍👍👍

[@TheFlightShow]

Thank you very much!

[@EpicJake07]

Nice! Do you have any plans of coming back to KZbin someday?

[@TheFlightShow]

Maybe in the future if some more aircraft are released for MSFS and I can get it working

[@WARVIATION]

I would prefer mfs2020 looks even better and way cheaper, but physics nothing beats xplane11

[@TheFlightShow]

Hmm yeah I don’t think the MSFS physics are much worse than XP though

[@WARVIATION]

@@TheFlightShow they aren't as true to real life as xplane, they actually use Xplane to train because of the physics

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah XP physics are best without a doubt

[@ArktikosAdventures]

Looks fantastic except for one thing...shadows. The textures and models can be amazing but without shadows the immersion is squashed. Great vid though.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah the shadows aren’t the best in P3D, but they weren’t that noticeable here in this video cause it’s at night. Anyway glad you liked the video!

[@scootermason2746]

Lol I remember packing up my VHS video tapes in 2006 and now DVD are going away. I used my FS 9 (FS2004) until MSFS came out because FSX wouldn’t run on my PC. There is no way that P3D will be better than MSFS in the next few years when Dev move there technology over and abandon the 16 year old Sim. So far I’ve enjoyed so much but was not happy with Update 5 for the Xboxers which they should have their on platform that would cater to the limited controls of the Xbox….lol. By the way I just got away from my iPhone 5 last summer only after the phone co gave me a new one for free because 3G was going away this month.

[@canaltijuanero]

p3d is still alive next year... Im using fslabs and its still better than fenix

[@redwatch1100]

I think I'm going to wait ten more years until MSFS2020 is affordable and fixed or a better one comes out.

[@juliashenandoah3965]

Six months ago I was so jealous! A study-level Airliner and even the cargo is loaded in fully animated... But now after having bought the Fenix Airbus and being familiarized with it - I know that the Fenix is the new state of the art and best of the best. Even all circuit breakers are simulated. No longer can everyone say "hm that Flight Simulator that´s just for kids buzzing around with small arcade propeller planes over their house but X-Plane and Prepar3D are real simulators..." The Fenix Airbus cannot be bought for any other simulator except FS20 and it´s the best of the best. With the best and most sophisticated and detailed MCDU (FMC) the best and most detailed systems and subsystems in the cockpit, fully pneumatic hydraulic and electric circuits animated and able to degrade, even the temperatur and flow of the packs is fully simulated and the PAX and cargo room temperature is based on the PAX numbers and cargo load. Now I am finally no longer jealous about all other sims having these awesome airliners and I don´t! But it´s still interesting to see what will come next: The PMDG 777 which is also one of my favorites with this cozy uniqué cockpit design and spacy neon-green overhead and main panel integr-illumination, and many visual gimmicks to have some eye-candy to enjoy while immersing onself into the cockpit. Worldwide there is now only one other sim airplane that has some interesting features not even the Fenix AIrbus has, and that´s the Hotstart Challenger with fully simulated airflow through the turbine showing all temperatures between the compressor stages and other ultra-techy engineer-nerdy stuff.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah absolutely, the Fenix A320 and PMDG 737 are very high quality airliners for MSFS and it’s great that finally there’s some detailed airliner addons in MSFS. Of course we still have to wait for more models to be ready for MSFS like the 777, 787, 747, 330 etc, but at least the future will only get better!

[@FSXXtreme]

Forgot about majestic q400, go buy the training/ cockpit builders edition then you will know what I mean 😂

[@hansloyalitat9774]

I find mfs to be oversatured and the satelite scenery and ground textures look a bit off, I prefer the look of p3d it looks way more realistic to me

[@TheFlightShow]

Hmm yeah often MSFS can look almost ‘too perfect’ I think

[@chrisadish]

Same here, way too washed out and bright, the greens are too light, and that glare is unrealistic. My view

[@onboard4793]

I hope tou make a good video soon love your content is still the best Sim for me , il started in fsx and Xplane 11 and Switch late 2019 to P3D definitely the most realistic Flight system no questions about it for me is the biggest default of MSFS2020 and for this P3D is the best and In comparaison PMDG run realistic in P3D not in MSFS2020 , yes Graphics is bad part of this Sim but i like it because im old school flight simmer and bring le back to me first Fligt and love it !

[@ttvFairPlayerPL]

I always put simulation over the graphic, so taking under consideration all aspects of addons and turbo moded advanced planes, iced runways, etc what makes P3D real simulation I stay with P3D until MFS2020 will offer the same or beter quality of simulation.

[@GG_Booboo]

Is that P3D coz it looked like MSFS2020 to me! Hope not then $1k is a rip off unless the realism is that good

[@tomschik]

As far as I can say after 20 Years of simming.... I changed to P3D as Microsoft announced, not to continue with developping. Also MS was allways very unstable, not so on P3D. Now I bought MSFS 2020 to find out differences and I think it is 1st overloaded and 2nd you are a slave of Microsoft running thir product. Why do I need a Microsoft account for simming ? And to be online all the time, hey whats wrong here ? You have to accept a lot of overload with MS-Games and Xbox necessarities. I have no Xbox and never want one. Yes, online scenery downloads are sexy, but if you are interested in IFR flying, scenery is not really what you need. A slim and easy system is a lot more sexy.... I am running a 1:1 cockpit in original size to sit in and MSFS is no choice for this kind of application. I like the visuals and the World in MSFS but it is not practicable to implement so easy than P3D. My wish is, to have the scenery in this quality as it is with MSFS, but everything else you can forget. I need no Aircrafts, my sim is a A320, nothing else. So it depends what you want to do, many (unnecessary) things around or the essential functionality. MSFS is really a GAME for simple gamers, P3D is a training solution of first class. I never called flight simming a GAME. It is a simulation. I stay on P3D, because i do not want to be a slave of Microsft. But the scenery quality of MSFS vs. P3D is great. But if you want to learn flying, P3D is the better choice. I hope Lockheed Martin will follow up the scenery quality soon. Unfortunately P3D V6 is rubbish, no increase of performance or funcionality. A waste of money so far.... So I think the best solution is still allways P3D V5, but with the scenery (and nothing else) of MSFS.

[@MatrixMaverick1980]

Go Aerowinx Precision Simulator for system depth.

[@peters4040]

Microsoft flight simulator is a great flight simulator and looks fantastic but when I compare it to prepar3d v4.5 with mega scenery I actually prefer the mega scenery over a certain altitude. It's fantastic in the Microsoft flight simulator if you're flying low but you really need a substantial system. But with the mega scenery over about 3,000 ft the photo real scenery is a much more realistic presentation of what's below. There is always something new to discover below and you don't have to wonder if it's nothing more than autogen. If you don't mind Auto gen and not having 100% real scenery below and 3D buildings are important to your experience then for the price and coverage Microsoft flight simulator is the best. My only concern is if you ever lose the servers or internet connection you don't have a flight Sim anymore. With prepar3d and mega scenery, you do not need an internet connection, you will have this program forever as long as your system lasts. I own both of these flight simulators and like both of them but I fly far more in prepared 3D with mega scenery I have about $500 invested in mega scenery. So I can fly over huge portions of the United States and never see the same thing. I also love the VR experience associated with prepared 3D version 4.5. It's smooth on a relatively modest system and an Nvidia GTX 980 graphics card. Again I love both Sims but prepar still has some substantial advantages.

[@DosBlade]

Be nice if these sites were just honest. The click bait "is $1000 p3d better then MSFS" then the lol "Best graphics". 2 years ago it was " Insane Realism! " "ULTRA Realism". No no and no. Not one of them are to be taken as if your flying a real plane. One huge reason you don't have more subs

[@michaelmm4684]

There is no comparison when it comes to true flight simulation with P3D …The aircrafts from PMDG and sound are second to none…MSFS is mainly for kids or to have an entertainment .MSFS should get outside people involved for real function aircraft , and easy camera control with the joystick…like chaseplane . Maybe they should have 2 versions…General and a professional one…that would be nice …people don’t mind spending money for the real thing….

[@gamertardguardian1299]

The price is because its supposed to be used for professional use and can be shared across an entire classroom of students

[@ShawnsAviationAndSpottingKEWR]

Can you make a gameplay of it like in the menu and how to choose your aircraft. I don’t know how to get P3d

[@Jet-Pack]

$1000 bugs but still using the academic version for entertainment purposes?

[@superjet1007]

P3d is great... If you have a lot of money, beast pc =)

[@hephep22314]

everyone has spent over 1000 dollars on P3D? with visuals, planes and sceneries.

[@iDroppin_yt]

Of course P3D is way better than FS2020

[@WARVIATION]

anyone remember ys flight?

[@flyingbarbarian1]

For vatsim simmers I’d have said at the time yes but now no.

[@burgadahz17]

No, next question.

[@Skybound_737]

Nah xplane is always on top

[@lukaniek1992]

FS2020 is better... Better FPS and graphics

[@darrinward4699]

Using add-ons is not a real test.... Out of the box is the only way to compare... Stock aircraft verses stock scenery and lighting. Then there is the way aircraft react to the envirornment . Yes MSFS has issues too , but compared to ESP based old school issues, MSFS is the winner and in the end there will be no Xplane or P3D... I just don't see them putting the $ required to compete. Remember it is all about the profit

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah totally. Default/vanilla P3D is crap and way worse than MSFS default/vanilla.

[@Jamboliner]

Awesome video. One thing MS2020 has is wet ground, which is great for realism. It is raining on this occasion and I don't see a wet ground! Sure it ain't dead. The same way X-plane isn't either. MS2020 does not have a single decent airliner by a 3rd party developer. We have the A32N by Fly-By-Wire which is free for all and that is it. The thing is, why do people flight-sim? In my case I did not switch to Xplane from FSX, almost a decade ago, for the looks of it. I did it because of flight dynamics, although terrible physics, it had some. MS2020 is awesome in that perpective, I love handflying it. But yeah, we've come a long way, at least I have, since MSFS95. Cheers

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! Yeah MSFS needs to get some quality addon aircraft (PMDG 737 is coming soon hopefully) and then it’ll be better. Until then P3D is my preferred sim just cause I flight sim for the aircraft. VFR in MSFS is amazing though, so I still do a little bit of GA or bush flying here and there!

[@geraldwatts5492]

Why does a China Southern jet have a Hainan Airlines insignia on the rear fin...

[@Youtub77W]

BETTER THAN MSFS

[@Youtub77W]

PMDG, Sceneries, Active sky, Chase plane, Sky textures, Reshade… etc

[@carlosgarcia-rodrigo1430]

Is there any improvement from the previous P3dV5.2 regarding VR????? AMAZING VIDEO BTW. Thank you very much.

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! I’ve never used VR for flight sims so honestly I have no idea sorry

[@mytree3979]

P3D might not look as nice as MSFS (objectively) but imo with all the add-ons I like P3D more and will continue using it. I just find that in a simulation POV it performs better but that's probably jsut me. Use whatever makes you guys happy! :)

[@JoePez]

Is that a sound mod you're using? Because the engines sound really realistic. If you are, can you share the link to the mod?

[@TheFlightShow]

Nope I’m not using any sound pack these are completely default! I do have the sound volumes adjusted though in P3D and PMDG settings. Engines up to 95 and things like wind and ambience reduced to around 35

[@anjinsanx44]

Tfdi 717 is in msfs? No so I prefer p3d n xplane12

[@voorhees7796]

Absolutely not better than fsfs2020 for a lot of details

[@wism881]

Good grief the startup sound of the engines is great in this mod.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah even though they’re just the default PMDG sounds (not TSS sound pack) they’re still incredible!

[@mobilgameplay69]

Good game bro

[@ZixPlays]

20 fps?

[@Scottoest]

This looks "fine", but still ultimately just looks like a lot of detailed assets stuffed into a fundamentally non-modern engine. The things that makes MSFS look much more realistic are in large part the modern rendering and lighting techniques it supports, proper volumetrics, etc. (Not to mention the rendition of the world it creates too). You can slap a high-poly airliner into P3D, but you can't get the light to reflect off the fuselage "just right", or the subtle scattering effect of sunlight in the atmosphere. Those are the things enabled when you're not dealing with an old engine with years of accumulated tech debt. None of this is a knock on P3D or the people who make these add-ons to stretch the sim beyond what anyone would've thought possible - they deserve respect for their place in the hobby and it's history. But I think it's equally okay to acknowledge that in many ways a newer product has kinda left it behind, versus trying to run 15 terabytes of add-ons and take carefully framed screenshots to "prove" that P3D can look just as good. And equally if you're happy continuing to use P3D because it's what you know and it's configured just how you like it - that's great! This is a hobby after all, not a tribal bloodsport.

[@TheFlightShow]

I completely agree with you. P3D is outdated as a software and the truth is you can never fix that with tons of addons. Now that MSFS is finally receiving some high quality airliners (PMDG 737, Fenix a320) I’m excited to spend more time flying in it and hopefully making some videos. For now though, P3D is still the only sim really where I can fly long haul in high fidelity addons like the PMDG 777 or 747, so that’s my main use of P3D now. Excited to see what the future of MSFS holds!

[@pavan151]

Do you reckon it's worth getting p3d in 2022? I have MSFS with Fenix and PMDG but the long haul aircraft are disappointing. If I get p3d it'd be for the QualityWings 787 and PMDG 777.

[@TheFlightShow]

Well, those long haul aircraft are gonna come to MSFS eventually, it just might take 2-4 years. So if you don’t want to wait then buying P3D would be a good option. Just be prepared that to make P3D worthwhile you’d need to spend at least $300 on the sim itself, aircraft, Chaseplane (camera system), active sky (weather system) - and that’s not including payware airport sceneries. There isn’t really any good freeware for P3D airports. So I guess it’s worth buying if you’re desperate to fly high quality long haul aircraft.

[@pavan151]

@@TheFlightShow I took your advice on bord and bought P3D + QW787. Did my first long haul form YMML to KLAX and loved it! 14 hour journey but the game was amazing. Now I just need to get the add ons like Orbx and weather 😅

[@TheFlightShow]

Sounds great! I really enjoy doing long haul flights - taking off and then landing 14 hours later on another continent is very satisfying 😂 . QW787 is a great plane as well. Definitely get ORBX Base at least, and Active Sky P3D (if you want real time weather). Also buying a few addon sceneries will improve the experience. Not sure if you used ORBX Melbourne and FSDT LAX for your flight, but I’d recommend sceneries from ORBX, FlightBeam, FlyTampa and Aerosoft. FSDreamTeam (FSDT) has terrible performance (including LAX) so I wouldn’t really recommend them, but they make some of the most popular airports (including LAX!). Anyway feel free to ask any more questions here or on any social medias linked in the description

[@confuseddad2865]

One is a sim, the other a pretty arcade game.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah at the moment MSFS really does feel like a game. Hopefully in the future it’ll start to feel more ‘professional’

[@confuseddad2865]

@@TheFlightShow Alrighty 4 months into the future and P3D has pretty much been abandoned by devs and MSFS is now on the brink of being the gold standard.

[@TheFlightShow]

Haha yep

[@RayKit]

in vr you literally cannot beat fs2020 for looks. No sim can touch the scenery and realism in visuals.. Eventually all systems will be working and phenomenal. I am an ex fueller and standing next to the a320 in vr on the ground is just too realistic.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah VR especially looks amazing (in MSFS). I’d try it out but I’m not sure how well it works with the flight sims and how well optimised it is.

[@pshkong]

Even after PMDG’s 737 on MSFS is released, I still think P3D is the best simulator for airliners at the time being.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah I guess, as P3D still has 777s and 747s etc

[@opachki225]

I feel like P3D have more addons that can make the sim experience better then Mfs2020. Once Mfs2020 have better plugins other than the captain sim shitty 777 that they release I think Mfs2020 could be use seriously as a good sim. But both sim P3d and Mfs2020 I still like... Just wishing for better plugins for mfs2020

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah MSFS certainly hasn’t got the same range of high quality addons yet. Hopefully in the next year or so we’ll get some better addons like the PMDG 737 NG3 and the Fenix a320

[@opachki225]

@@TheFlightShow agreed

[@aviationcasey2920]

better than x-plane for sure

[@tonyzana5395]

blah,blah,blah comparison between a game vs Simulator. I stay with the P3D

[@darionknox1751]

This is honestly where I stand as well. problem for me is FS2020 does not feel like a true simulator and more so just feels like a video game based off of aviation. The graphics are amazing, but then again the interface and just the setup as a whole is not really appealing to me especially coming from someone who used to play x plane 11 and now my main sim is p3d. FS2020 seems to be extremely gamer friendly. A lot of people I know that have the game dont really even enjoy aviation as much as most of us sim pilots do. Some people that play dont really know much about aviation and sims in general. They seem to just go to there settings and change the game mode to easy with "help notifications" on. As a aviation enthusiast, I have never known a true sim that has games modes where the plane completely flies and does everything for you. Sorry for the long response, but this argument of sim vs sim is interesting as FS2020 continues to develop.

[@nanoman81]

Nope

[@aviator988]

P3D & FSX2020 are very good games in their own different ways. I don’t think one is better than the other. I would say tho FSX doesn’t compare to P3D even with all the addons.

[@vladimirboiler8468]

fs2020 is more of a game, p3d is a *simulator*

[@drewpoteet1708]

uhh for a 1000$ the answer is no

[@MohamedMohamed-li5jx]

There is no comparison between some thing you don't have without stupid continuous need to the internet which is really couldn't be had like fs2020 and a complete real could be had without needing to internet like p3d

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah I mean there is an offline mode in MSFS, but personally I love the streamed imagery because it looks amazing!

[@CTde110]

Tail strike LOL

[@nilomatxz]

Where's new videos sir?

[@owenklein1917]

Something p3d will have an advantage on for a while now is long haul. The sim basically has every single plane and a high quality one. Msfs is still quite lacking in airliners. Only good ones we have is the a310, a320, CRJ, md-80, 737 and an OKAY 787 and 748. The only super high quality ones here are the a320, 737 and md-80 tho. And there’s not any amazing long haulers.

[@harisonvansiclen858]

P3d looks more realistic and more life like. FS2020 is cartoonish

[@TheFlightShow]

I agree personally but I know a lot of people say the opposite. I do think the airports in MSFS definitely looks ‘cheap’ (taxiway markings etc)

[@ghoste.]

when it comes to flight sims, I just care about the physics, sounds and the flight model. The Graphics In MSFS Are Undefeatable and i personally think it’a a bit arcade-ish. I have Xplane, P3D and MSFS I recommended you should get p3d or xplane if you want the most realistic flying experience, you can also make P3D look amazing with the right mods. Great Video Btw

[@TheFlightShow]

Hmm yeah I agree. Thanks!

[@jeluna]

Totally agree with you. I do have the 3 and prefer XPlane and P3D, being a hardcore and avid simmer, with all fcoms and checklists printed, p3d is immersive for one looking for realism!

[@MatrixMaverick1980]

You should check out Aerowinx Precision Simulator

[@Aolen75]

P3d is overpriced nonsense

[@petha12321]

The Airplane is Great but the Textures of the City / Buildings are in MsFs2020 Better

[@TheAntiseptic]

The msfs2020 is like a game but p3d is more realistic on physics and stuff thats why im flying on p3dv6 but yeah msfs is a good sim for beginners who wonders the wonderful world of aviation.

[@SK_FTBL08]

it looks like FSX but with MSFS2020 level graphics

[@funnyhero1470]

I think that it looks even better with all the addons than msfs

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah it looks amazing! But Costs a lot

[@JoshuaJones-si8ws]

I still love and fly with P3D and I just uninstalled my MFS2020, scenery is the only thing I like about MFS but then end up with generic mesh if no wifi connection unlike P3D if u buy orbx mesh package then you have nothing to worry about plus the physics is way more realistic than MFS and have way more payware and study aircraft than MFS. Another thing I like about P3D I can upgrade as much as I want with add ons the way I like it 😀

[@RAVIOLIdS]

Short answer yes

[@FreightFox]

That landing was crap, you didn't flare

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah wasn't my best landing

[@rroversport]

great video, really appreciated the attention to detail around proper lighting when taxiing and takeoff. Learned something new.

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video

[@oniland]

I like flying a lot but I don't need 100% simulator , the graphics is very important for me, I find all these points in FS2020, for me is fs2020 much more as simulator, i thing Fs2020 is the future.

[@FlightSimMega]

Well, I spent around $1400 on addons for P3D. 3 months ago I buildt a new PC dedicated for MSFS only with custom water cooling for about $7000, and I'm not going back to P3D anytime soon, even though i still have it on my old PC😝 So my personal answer is NO! Thanks P3D you served me well☺

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah I’m transitioning to MSFS now, only really flying in P3D for long hauls. Enjoy your PC!

[@FlightSimMega]

​@@TheFlightShow Welcome! I bet you're enjoying it. Can't wait for PMDG T7 and 747, and thanks.

[@tarnlicht3657]

Not even close...

[@rccosplay3249]

Great video and nice graphics no doubt. For me MSFS all the way! I am not a pilot and don't want to be one I love the graphics and WoW factor of MSFS plus some of the add ons are absolutely breathtaking @ 2 or 4K resolution. Whatever sim one has enjoy it and have fun💖

[@TheFlightShow]

Thanks! Yeah the graphics of MSFS are simply incredible. Every time I fly in MSFS I just look around and it’s like ‘wow!’, which is something that doesn’t happen every flight in P3D. I guess both sims are amazing and fit the needs of different people :)

[@OrionRox]

MFS2020 is a game (or a scenery sim). P3D and XP are sims. MFS2020 is perfect for VFR flight with GA planes or introducing more people into flight sim, just get a standard version and you are good to go. However, if you really want to dig into the systems of complex modern aircraft, P3D and XP are the best. I only got less than 100 hours in P3D but 2800 hours in XP11, the only reason is I realized how much money I have to spend in order to make P3D looks great, not even to mention super expensive addons like FSL. XP11 is a happy middle ground for me, default airports are up to date and Zibo alone won't lose a battle against PMDG 737. Great video!

[@TheFlightShow]

Agreed. I started with P3D about 2 and a half years ago but before that I used XP11. I uninstalled XP about a year ago because I essentially stopped using it but for a period of time I was using P3D for long hauls in the 777/747/787 and XP for short hauls in the 737/320. Both sims are great and I’ll certainly be trying out XP12. MSFS just doesn’t have the aircraft right now for me to do airline flight simming, but it’s amazing for GA and certainly has the potential

[@Caramellino11]

"MSFS2020 is a game" .... Always these bashing against MSFS. This is a Simulator like P3D or XP11. The only difference is: MSFS is new on the market and needs a lot of time to set everything up.

[@OrionRox]

@@Caramellino11 Unfortunately, it is a game at the current stage. Asobo designed the entier control response based on the controller, I've never met any flight sims that required users to set the response curve to -50 in order to fly the aircraft (it was fine during the early beta when they just released it, and they changed the control response.), not even mention how Asobo broke the game after each SU, plus all those money-grabbing garbage addons by the third party, each steps Asobo did was to pulling MSFS away from the core flight sim community. I don't care how many 'handcrafted' airports or how stunning the MSFS looks, I want to focus on my instruments in the IMC without worry the outside temperature rising up to 200 degrees. I don't care how advanced the flight model that Asobo advertised, I don't want a heavy 747 handle like a GA. The list can go on... No simulators should behave like this.

[@ziko646]

P3D is also a game, the only difference is MFS looks so much better, more advanced, evolutionary.. I just wonder how P3D fans think their game "sim" looks good when everything including sky and scenery look too grey.. sorry P3D is nowhere close to MFS.

[@OrionRox]

@@ziko646 Forgive me if I guess it wrong, the comment you said basically shows you have little to none experience with p3d or XP. As I said, MFS2020 looks stunning and opens the door to non-flight simmers, which is amazing, but that's about it. A good FLIGHT SIMULATOR platform is all about aircraft system depth and what kind of packages (APIs) that MFS2020 could provide to 3rd party aircraft developers, at the current stage, MFS2020 is doing a terrible job to fulfill this. Perhaps you could elaborate more about how MFS2020 is more advanced or evolutionary besides the looks.

[@pawedriver8260]

Do you have ORBX add-ons thrown into the P3D folder or to another folder?

[@TheFlightShow]

All my ORBX is installed in a library on a different drive

[@Justathought81]

Not even close

[@dillon17]

Holy crap.. that was a lethal rotation. your supposed to SLOWLY pull back to 15 degrees, not YANK the yoke backwards. XD And also a lethal landing.. SLAMMM

[@Greazer]

P3d is the dying sim. Even XP will outlive it.

[@TheFlightShow]

Yeah it’s true P3D is dying. I think the fact that it’s constantly got bugs and Lockheed don’t update very frequently, combined with the ridiculously high addon prices, doesn’t help P3D in terms of popularity. Can’t wait for the future of MSFS and XP12!

[@fogboundturtle]

1000$ ? That's rookie number son

[@TheFlightShow]

😂 yeah some people (you) spend ridiculous amounts

[@vasiliosgrekousis8192]

I Prepar3D is a serious FS not part of the game card. FS2020 shouldn't be part neither, but its available on gaming consoles so I doubt the seriousity of that sim...

[@TheFlightShow]

I think once MSFS gets some high-fidelity aircraft addons it’ll be more ‘serious’. However, it does still feel like a ‘game’ to me. We’ll see if that changes

[@vasiliosgrekousis8192]

@@TheFlightShow True!

[@daveslow84]

I thought you'd never switch off those wipers 😄 great video!

[@TheFlightShow]

Haha yeah thanks!

[@mason19548]

About the wipers, they didn't cover the whole windshield and I didn't see any water effects is that normal or just that plane?

[@TheFlightShow]

I had the wipers set to low, so they only covered the bottom half of the windshield. Also there are water effects they just weren’t really visible at night

[@mason19548]

Oh ok