Flight Simulator Hardware | Which Throttle Should You Choose?

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

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[@Combination12345]

I have the honeycomb throttle quadrant and the honeycomb yoke. As soon as the honeycomb rudder pedals are available will be getting them as well! Love their products!

[@ADPeguero]

I have the HoneyComb Throttle and I say it's worth every cent. I've gotten many hours of fun in MSFS. I rarely tough my keyboard or mouse around in the screen, other than when using the G1000.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

It's the swiss army knife of throttles. It used to be very rare to have anything with a trim wheel let alone all the other stuff.

[@guillaumepare9651]

Something to consider with the Honeycomb Bravo is the size of it. It takes a lot of space so no good for someone that don't have much of that.

[@oliverf944]

i love the thrustmaster TCA quadrant. having auto pilot function is brilliant. you're getting two devices for the price of one. In VR it works really well.

[@BlackliteDistrict]

Just got mine this week. I LOVE that the Autopilot feature is right there personally. Good stuff!

[@volkerjansen3901]

Very nice comparison! I currently use the Bravo in a GA twin prop setup, and quite like it. The switches don't work too well with MSFS IMHO, so I disabled them. But the trim wheel, gear selector and flaps switch are all really nice. The auto pilot controls are okay, although I would have preferred dedicated dials for the different functions. The best part are the levers and their sensors, they feel great and at least on my unit have no jitter at all.

[@user-jb7et9iq2r]

I have a CH Products setup with an old yoke and pedal combo that I bought used back in 2001. Works fine. Still, I wanted to upgrade to the Honeycomb system but when I saw the footprint of the Bravo at my local store, there was no way. They're huge. I also don't like the idea that if something breaks, it will be a headache to try and fix. I liked the Saitek but in the end I chose the CH Quadrant to match my existing setup. I like that it's small and I'm hoping it lasts as long as my yoke and pedal. $90 wasn't a bad deal either. I'm also going to buy a X-Touch Mini to make up for some of the buttons and knobs that the CH lacks. Also if something breaks, the cost to replace it won't be too bad.

[@GG_Booboo]

I have the three and it works for me! The Logitech flight yoke and quadrant which I use for general planes, the airbus Thrustmaster captain edition for the airbus and the Boeing throttle and quadrant for Boeings!

[@surfercharliel7928]

0:57 Saitek, x52 purchased in 2004 or 2005, looking for a new upgrade finally after all these years brought me to your channel. Thanks for the info.

[@dixielandfarm]

Don't forget the CH Throttle Quadrant which has a nice beta/reverse detent/function.

[@thatguy8005]

I have all these and more… it really depends on what your planning to do, or fly.

[@brianharris1830]

Good to see you back! Keep up the great work

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Brian! Thank you, good to see you buddy!

[@spacehunter2018]

It should probably be noted that the Boeing thrust master throttle is just an addon for their 787 yoke, on the yoke there is a few configurable buttons and a landing gear lever

[@jimj2683]

Crazy that you need different periferals for almost all the different aircraft. Super expensive and impractical. I wish there was some kind of haptic gloves/suit to replace all those periferals.

[@martinalbion9554]

Love the TIX Clocks in the frame!

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Thanks! I got them over a decade ago. You are the first person I've come across that knows what they are lol.

[@darth_patzer]

Hello, For a few days I've got the Thrustmaster TCA Throttle that looks like a real Airbus throttle and I think it's not a good one if you want to fly many different aircrafts. Maybe it's good for Airbus, maybe good for some other liners or 2 engines aircrafts but not done for GA aircrafts. For most aircrafts I still use a Logitech Throttle Quadrant. You can fly any plane with that kind of quadrant, not with the TCA Quadrant. You often needs 3 axes (throttle, propeller, mixture)

[@jm56481]

Not sure if I am in the minority but as a Mac + Xplane 12 sim player the Xplane 12 support for the Honeycomb Software is basically vaporware. Luckily the unit is well built and works. All I'm missing is the LEDs and being able to select autopilot functions and adjust with the knob.

[@mokumkat]

I managed to find a hardly used Saitek TPM (Cessna style) for a bargain price. It has excellent accuracy on the axes and together with the 9 easy to memorize rocker switches it's perfect for VR!

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

That’s a really good find! I remember about 6-7 years ago those were easy to get, even locally. But now you have to find deals like this. Happy you managed to get one.

[@global6000]

The Virtual Fly TQ6+ was my favourite I’ve ever had. Still regret selling it. I sold it and bought a RealSimGear GNS430 and Bravo throttle quadrant for it in return.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Not a bad come up from that sale though! Their stuff is really top notch. I want their rudder pedals.

[@global6000]

@@TheFlightSimDeck yeah it’s great. But the resolution and feel of the TQ6 is just so much better. The Bravo is much more versatile though.

[@Lonsome1223]

I've had a Logitech quadrant for many years that glitch you mentioned is an easy fix just spray some WD40 in it and leave it for a while good as new.

[@hermanfeeblebottom5002]

If these kind of controls get “twitchy,” try a quick spray of CLP (or other brand) contact spray. The result can be amazing.

[@ronstewtsaw]

This is exactly the video I was hoping for. Any chance of similar videos for yokes, joysticks and rudders?

[@LazzySeal]

1:50 It is not dust per se. Sensors in those are potentiometers, potentiometers are shit and should not be used in any flight sim gear post 2018. Potentiometer has inherent noise (that is what you saw as twitchy axis) and can degrade over time, you can clean it but it will be temporal solution for like a week to month. Some of throttles or joysticks has noisy potentiometers right from the box just unpacked.

[@davidclark39]

I bought the new Logitech throttle (with USB) and Honeycomb Yoke to replace my Saitek Throttle (old Logitech with round plug) and yoke. I didn't need the new throttle except for the plug end would not work with the Honeycomb. Anyway, am I off base in thinking Logitech is hot garbage? The Honeycomb Yoke was plug and play, BUT I am still trying to get the Logitech throttle adjusted. I am realizing when I was all Logitech product I was probably spending more time in the settings than flying the sim! Adjusting, updating drivers, re-loading and re-trying and flying to find more bugs was a cyclical loop. I'm considering sending the throttle back and getting the Honeycomb Bravo throttle even though I don't really want to take up that much space, but if it is plug and play it will be worth it. I am still using FSX until my new more powerful computer arrives, then I will consider MSFS2020. Suggestions?

[@speedbird777.]

Hey! I am not sure if you will reply this late but do you remember where you got the quadrant box for the Logitech quadrants?

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

I’m not 100% sure if this was the shop or not, but this is the box: realflightshop.com/en-us/hardware/throttle/product/362-quadrant-box-for-saitek-throttle-quadrant-dual-throttles.html

[@jamesblackman1161]

Man!!! You have all the gear!

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

All the gears! Man I should have had you send footage of the gear you got. I forgot you have a Virpil thorttle?

[@jay-rus4437]

Since I wanted fairly compact, but accurate and reasonable quality, I ended up with vkb. Really nice setup and works great whether Im flying airliners or turboprops. Havent purchased the autopilot module, bit was considering it. Does it seem to work well?

[@florianzajac9600]

Anybody knows where i can buy the 737 throttle for the saitek quadrant?

[@swiss275]

Great video. At 1:26 min you mentioned a box. Where can I get a box like that? Thanks.

[@stuartrutman4885]

Great video. How long did the Logitech throttles last until they got twitchy? I'm looking to get a set since I'm tight for space. Thanks so much!

[@volkerjansen3901]

I bought the Logitech throttles about a year ago, and they were jittery within a few weeks. Too bad, because otherwise I liked them a lot. Bought a Bravo, which is big and heavy, but the sensors are a lot better.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

For me about 1-2 years and they became noisy.

[@RealWorldAviationandGaming9392]

Don't waste your $... I appreciate all the youtubers product reviews but most don't tell the full story, especially if they are sponsered. Anyway, to get these throttles to work properly you will need to purchase or download support software...so do your own research.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

@@RealWorldAviationandGaming9392 These would not be my first choice now, though they were 7 years ago. But they have always been plug and play on FSX/P3D/XP11. Aside from you have to tell each axis what you want it to do. I never had to buy anything extra to get them to work. In fact I just plugged them into XP12 for the first time per this comment, and they work right away.

[@Lonsome1223]

@@volkerjansen3901 The glitch is an easy fix just spray some WD40 into it and leave it for a bit good as new had mine for 3 years.

[@bobykim5311]

One thing not mentioned which is THE most important: the inside technology. Potentiometers are shit. Potentiometers will spike eventually as they collect dust or even worse: the potentiometer itself starts to wear (which WILL happen) and the product becomes useless. As far as i know Honeycomb and Logitech(former Saitek) uses potentiometers. Trustmaster uses HALL sensors: a magnet that moves over a sensor (NO physical contact lik,e with potentiometers) and is much more accurate and will NOT wear or spike. The Honeycomb looks so much better to use as a 737 throttle, even with the 737 expansion online for sale but i tell you: after a year of use, the levers will start to spike. Be smart with the choice :)

[@nitrosrt4]

Hello, I’ve been checking out the turtle beach system, but I’m wondering what to do when I use the joystick, I see the throttle quadrant is detachable from the yoke, can you tell me if that is mountable by itself? The bottom looks flat, is it? Are there screw holes?

[@TChalla007]

It's a shame ThrustMaster airbus throttle didn't make it for the Xbox

[@skyhawk21]

I need cheap throttle thingy and a stick and quick local place or online delivery

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

Bravo reverser detents not positive totally worn on mine. Hangered.

[@Leoholmes]

My Bravo throttle has stopped working with MSFS, it used to work??; MS has acknowledged there are problems but have said they're not fixing it just yet. hence why I'm here, I need to buy a throttle that works.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Nothing works? Does it mention any dual axes bound? Try remapping the axes again. I saw a forum post where that fixed it. Another post it was an issue because the the ignition was on. Or is it not being picked up in the menus?

[@MrHistoryguy1955]

for the Saitek throttle can you control more than one engine with one quadrant or do you need multiple to control multiple engines, i'm just asking because I saw a bundle with a joystick and the saitek throttle. I was also going to get an external hard drive for extended storage to play Xplane 11 and I was going to get the bundle which includes the saitek throttle.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

If multi engine, you can assign all engines to just one lever or you can assign each engine to it's own lever. For these Saitek throttles I've always like to have the throttle in the middle controlling all engines, and the left and right for spoilers/flaps.

[@seventail]

If I have the bravo, should I get the VKB FSM? I really want push button with the rotary encoders...but I just like flying airliners and nothing else

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Yeah that should work good. Are you going to get the mount too?

[@Ricky_Y724]

What plane is that at 3:00

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Zibo mod 737-800.

[@NanaHoshi35]

Most of these cheap plastic throttoys are using old and cheap potentiometers which will eventually lead to the twitchy that you mentioned for the saitek one, and they are low res. The VirtualFly metal deal is certainly not but with too much a co$$$t. The thrustmaster ones are underwhelming but are good for their contactless hall effect sensors which are inherently not prone to the twitchy like the pots and generally have better precision/resolution. Unfortunately the VKB one is not like their other great product that uses hall sensors, but likely they are using higher quality pots as they are a much better company than those stingy toy makers. The honeycomb bravo is generally over praised given its low res cheap potentiometers and bad wiring for the buttons on the handle which are prone to pinch after months or few yrs of use. Too bad there are no civilian sim throttles existing that are good enough to be the equivalent to those combat sim throttles made by Virpil, Winwing, and the one is making by the VKB. One thing though, if you are flying (single engine) combat aircraft and also into single engine GA, the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO + OTA(Omini Throttle Adapter that converts the former joystick to a "throttle") might be a better choice. Albeit with a similar price you can get Winwing's F18 throttle grip on the Gemini throttle/collective base for a twin-engine setup... It's really a shame that almost everyone is only interested in making these overpriced (and some of them are stuck in obsoleted tech for decades) plastic toys, and few others only make semi or full professional level products that are too expensive, with no middle-ground. Oh I forgot there is one from the Fulcrum Simulator Controls in the making. And if honeycomb can finally ditch their pots carry over from the old saitek age and fix those weak points, it will become something really worthy to be recommended as an entry-level product.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Fulcrum looks good, but probably expensive too. The yoke has force feedback too I think. Yeah the Thrustmaster one is 16 bit too so thats a nice resolution to work with.

[@NanaHoshi35]

@@TheFlightSimDeck yeah a lit bit expensive when compared to those plasticies, but IMO it should be compared to the VirtualFly ones given its multirole and full metal design plus high res hall sensors etc, which will make it a real bargain. Their yoke is actually just a regular spring-loaded one tho.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

@@NanaHoshi35 You're right. I'm thinking of the SIMiONIC yoke. That one has feedback. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJjTl2hpiMR-gq8

[@NanaHoshi35]

@@TheFlightSimDeck Yeah I'm looking forward to getting it, but no further update after a video at the end of May this year that was saying it's coming soon😂

[@TH54_Official]

Can I pair the TCA yoke, WITH the Honeycomb bravo?

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

@@TH54_Official Absolutely! You can mix and match with any throttle/stick/yoke.

[@JK-tj6ie]

Can I use the honeycomb throttle quadrant and the Hotas Warthog joystick? Do I have any disadvantages? Thank already to those who answer

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Hi Jk, you should have no problem with that hardware combination. You just have to make sure nothing gets dual mapped by default. That sometimes causes one or both controls to not respond until it's fixed.

[@CharlotteJackson-fr9bc]

can i use bravo throttle quadrant as stand alone along side the tca Boeing yoke ?

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

@@CharlotteJackson-fr9bc absolutely can! You can mix and match any hardware.

[@CharlotteJackson-fr9bc]

@TheFlightSimDeck thank you cor info

[@paulthurston2883]

I bought the honeycomb bravo and its ok but so big. Takes up way too much desk space. Also the switches are impossible to use as the throttle levers get in the way. The trim wheel conflicts with the gear lever. Piss poor design IMHO.

[@Guruwalker]

can we use honeycomb and boeing yok as combination ??!!! willl its work

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

You absolutely can! This is an example of someone I know doing that. instagram.com/reel/ClhsN8ZNHs0/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[@sanadalmaten7610]

I have a question, how many aircrafts has friction-lock throttle control?

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Most of the trainers and STOL aircraft do. Many single prop planes use it.

[@Cosme422]

message to editors. music does not belong in these videos

[@mb944]

So I shouldn’t buy the Logitech throttles? I was gonna buy the 737 parts after

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

After owning two of them I wouldn’t do it again. I feel like they got worse after I added the 737 stuff too. Because it puts a small amount of weight on the axis. But I still used them for a couple of years. All three axis would twitch. When trying to put flaps out it would constantly try to retract from the notch I had set. If you can set a dead zone to eliminate the noise then it might work out okay. I wasn’t using deadzones back then.

[@mb944]

@@TheFlightSimDeck so which throttle should I get?

[@mb944]

@@TheFlightSimDeck and the 737 parts r plastic , they can’t be that heavy

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

@@mb944 The throttle arms I used were made of wood, resin, and plastic. The flaps/spoilers were thin metal. Regardless, it’s not a throttle that has longevity in my opinion. Maybe it’s better today idk. I would go with Honeycomb because you can add 737 arms to it too. But when I started out that throttle did not exist. There were not too many options at that point.

[@mb944]

@@TheFlightSimDeck honeycomb is almost 400$ just for the quadrant

[@virtualaviator21156]

Virtual fly gang yay

[@arodi_boyi9911]

Iam an enthusiast which one can you donate?

[@JarppaGuru]

throttle that look same as sim plane you like fly so none of them

[@averagepainter]

except from the 900$ part, each and every one of them look incredibly cheaply made and hollow. even the thrustmaster a320 quadrant has those plasticky undersize levers and buttons (they claim it's true to size but it's clearly not). why can't we have good stuff?

[@komrad1983]

obviously a sponsor vid, none of them are any good.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

Yeah If it is, I’m still waiting for the check. What are you using that’s good?

[@lsa1641]

So basically you didn't tell which one to choose and why. No pros and cons mentioned. What a waste of time.

[@TheFlightSimDeck]

That’s because there isn’t just one to choose. It’s based on what you are going to fly. They are modeled after certain styles of aircraft. This video was to raise awareness of what some choices are.

[@marti9]

Bravos the king