Your Team's Most DIVISIVE Player: OVERRATED or UNDERRATED? | Team Talk

Team Talk returns for yet another banger, as Zac hosts Joe, Dougie, Henry & Mikey to unravel and debate some of the biggest talking points floating about right now.
From Eden Hazard's retirement to Gareth Southgate, there's plenty of opinions for you to all disagree on. As well as going through the likes of Mac Allister, Gabriel & Onana to discuss whether they're over or underrated!
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[@FootballDaily]

Spicy one today guys! 🌶🌶🌶🌶 (Dougie)

[@spectaxxx]

I'm not sure the Overrated/Underrated works, people end up talking past each other all the time because - rated by who? It's not just about whether someone is a decent player, it requires a very flawed and subjective estimate about what people generally think about them. Is it the media, general fans? Fans of the club in question? I generally find it quite unsatisfactory as there's no solid basis for the conversation to take place.

[@nathanfranklin1151]

Dougie with the correct list in the first round. Bale is closer to Hazard than salah is to Bale in terms of ability.

[@Dyn__]

@@spectaxxxthat’s why it’s a debate, everyone’s share their own view of who’s best and makes for an interesting conversation

[@djy5645]

Bald oath, Salah is the goat.

[@wharfey9441]

Kovacic is so overrated... He went missing for 18 months at Chelsea before his move to City

[@luissolis2426]

Anyone else get scared that Henry was about to leave FD when they said he had a surprise 😭😂😂😂 would be heartbroken if you left Henry

[@FootballDaily]

Really appreciate this! But not going anywhere just yet. [Henry]

[@chrisbrewin3762]

Sam on the other hand 👀

[@emperorhakimiv7745]

Yeah I get it, I haven't seen Hamill in anything other than short Athletic clips since he left. It's a weird experience.

[@alicepalmer2430]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@mzamogagaimzeeza9055]

Salah being untidy only compared to Hazard and Bale isn’t a criticism just say a lot about Bale and Hazard being magestic on the ball.

[@thefootballpunnedit]

Salah is way way better in tight spaces... he won a Puskas for a wonder goal in tight spaces.

[@samuelkingo9995]

@@thefootballpunneditno he isnt. Hazard is way better in tight spaces

[@sandisland9270]

Hazard more skillfull in terms of dribbling but Salah is overall better because of goalscoring ability. Look at last season, Salah's 15 voal carried Liverpool

[@ShootingsBootings]

First part isn’t true, Salah is untidy compared to almost all top wingers

[@Jack-nr1nn]

@@thefootballpunneditthe most unanimously agreed underwhelming puskas goal

[@christaylor9656]

Thank you so much for the teamtalk upload. This is my fav KZbin content. Keep up the great work guys 💪 Sunday vibes, Monday vibes, continental club and teamtalk are an integral part of my week. Much appreciated ❤

[@ayushpandey7312]

Gabriel disrespect is crazy. ofc Arsenal fans are gonna big him up because he has been that good. zinchenko often leaves his lb spot to move to the midfield which leaves a lot of space on the left hand side yet most teams can't seem to utilise it because of how well Gabriel does when a team tries to utilise the space. for example West Ham(emirates) and Chelsea(stamford) both tried to exploit the space but were unsuccessful because they could not get past Gabriel. Like how can he overrated when no rival fan ever acknowledges that he's good. Also where did the 'he cost arsenal 5 games come from' ? he made two mistakes last season Fulham and Liverpool at home we won both and he scored the winner against Fulham , also both games were before the World Cup.

[@LegaciesofLekan]

Caused a penalty against west ham but if you look closely paqueta dived

[@jacobalexander4167]

​@@LegaciesofLekanthat was all on partet for being too clever, had he played a simple pass, then the defense wouldn't be in that spot to begin with

[@calebkassaye5935]

thank u lol ppl that don't realize he has to cover 2 positions defensively just dont watch arsenal

[@rishabhagarwal6057]

Congratulations Dougie! What a great gesture from the Sunderland team

[@FootballDaily]

Thank you! (Dougie)

[@Mason-fj5dh]

Why does no one talk about Salah's passing when talking about how good he is, his creative side is so underrated. His passing is so far clear of those other three.

[@DylanChe19]

Ik people talk about him as if he’s the player he was in 2017. He’s far more complete these days

[@rishabhagarwal6057]

He's just so good at scoring, it's hard for people to look beyond it

[@AntonGreismann]

He's nowhere near as creative as Hazard though, let's be real. Bale was also a better creator than Salah

[@Skrugsdesign]

It’s crazy, Dougie really said it with a straight face that Salah is not as creative as Hazard and Bale when his assists numbers are far better than both, he averages about 10 assists every season in the league

[@i3p973]

@@Skrugsdesign Assist doesn’t mean your a great creator and chance creation, ball progression, and more can help create for a team.

[@ryzmckenzie]

Mac literally transformed the Liverpool midfield alongside Szbo. He would absolutely start in midfield even when they sign a proper 6. Henderson and Milner were work horses but Mac is pure class

[@JNM781]

That was utter waffle at the end about Gabriel. Arsenal fans really do not call Gabriel the best CB. A lot of people were calling for him to be dropped for Ben White and Saliba partnership. I thought the last part was just a pack of untruths. I'm an Arsenal fan and I've never thought or even heard Gabriel be measured in the way people explained. He is very good cb and deserves respect.

[@Ignornaceisntbliss]

Last season, I heard a few people saying he's better than Saliba.

[@unknowngamer4583]

Lots of Arsenal fans (big influencer accounts as well) definitely overhyped him last season. This can come down to your personal echo chamber but I personally heard a lot of Arsenal fans in London talk about him to a level he probably isn't

[@pirolovini]

​@@unknowngamer4583Well he got Holding alongside him...Thats drags anyone downn😅

[@foggyfoam3044]

Romero is so misunderstood yes he's a bully but on the ball and defensively he's so good especially now he's part of the leadership group VDV plays a huge part too✅

[@700rz]

Gabriel is definitely underrated and was Arsenals best defender in the 2nd half of last season including before Saliba’s injury. Also he didn’t cost Arsenal 5 games towards the end of the season that was down to Rob Holding having to play.

[@Philly36]

Unreal innit, saying he cost Arsenal 5 games shows they didnt watch Gabriel perform at all

[@700rz]

@@Philly36 yeah agreed, Mikey usually has good takes tbf but I have no idea what he was on about with Gabriel then not being able to list examples after sayin things with that much certainty was strange

[@shoppingforleaves3162]

Ah the old "Gabriel gave away a stupid penalty because of Holding's aura"" nonesense.

[@700rz]

@@shoppingforleaves3162 I don’t think you realise the game you’re referring to Holding didn’t play in… And yes Gabriel was bad in that game as were the whole defence which is why they conceded 4. Btw the stretch of games Mikey is on about is clearly between april and may where Arsenal’s whole defence took a dip in form when Holding came in and the defensive set up changed because of Holding’s major deficiencies.

[@700rz]

But yeah nonsense tbf

[@JDx6]

Don’t forget Gabriel has to defend the whole left side of the pitch in transition when Zinchenko is tucked in, he’s been immense since he’s signed

[@MP-ux7nv]

13:17 what are u on about. Hazard was objectively the best player at the 2018 WC

[@Saucybean]

As a Barça fan, Bale tops the list 100% he literally had everything. There was a point in time when Ronaldo and Bale just got to madrid that I genuinely thought Bale was going to be better than CR7. He had all the gifts Ronaldo had and was imo more technically gifted. Just not the same drive. He was the fastest on the pitch every game, the best free kick taker at madrid, a fantastic finisher, acrobatic, crazy vertical/aerial ability, close control, great dribbling, long shots and shot power. Bale was so complete and I absolutely LOVED him. Hazard and Salah fantastic players, but Bale was consistently competing with Messi Ronaldo and Neymar in that top 5 players itw conversation for years. Clear imo

[@carmellavries421]

Agreed was surprised to see their rankings

[@LegaciesofLekan]

Consistency/fitness is part of ability and he lacked in that area I would choose Salah over him everyday

[@BC-th3mx]

Lol if you thought a British player could ever be as good as Ronaldo, you haven’t been paying attention to football last 100 years

[@pauliyonas3576]

Bale is not more technical gifted than Ronaldo and Ronaldo is far more talented than him

[@PaddyMcMe]

Tell me you only care about La Liga without telling me you only care about La Liga.

[@randy2152]

To not have Bale top is absolutely criminal

[@jg5520]

Wow Mcubs and Dougie have had a mare with the Gabriel shouts. He’s so underrated it’s laughable

[@johnwatermelon442]

To me it's gotta be between Bale and Hazard. The best way I can describe it is Hazard was, at his peak,.the closest we've ever gotten to another Messi. Whilst Bale was the closest to Cristiano Ronaldo we've ever gotten. That said, it's impossible to decide between one or the other.

[@Blackgate23]

Bale top for sure

[@collin8915]

I think McCubz was absolutely spot on in round one. I think its obvious Bale at one and Mane at four and the other two are kind of fine either way in-between

[@lewysstreet1230]

Mikey waffling with the Gabriel argument and just shows how underrated he is, Gabriel hasn’t made a high profile error since the start of last year (at least nowhere near anymore than any other top cb) but he’s still given the ‘bozo’ and ‘highly error prone’ tag. Btw if both of your arguments is that he’s overrated by the most delusional subsection of arsenal twitter from a couple of years ago then your argument isn’t very strong

[@elidir]

It's just the margins of the title race exacerbate things like this. Gabriel is a perfectly good on the ball, but when one mistake is apparently all that is needed to bottle it Man City then a single misplaced pass can carry that "highly error prone" tag forward.

[@Panjax]

Henry voted underrated.

[@liammilne2242]

Yet they don't use the exact same argument when Saliba makes mistakes too? I love both of them, yet Saliba even scored an own goal last year on top of the odd errors... If you're gonna give gabriel shit for the odd mistake at least be consistent? @@elidir

[@lewysstreet1230]

@@Panjaxapologies meant mikey!

[@lewysstreet1230]

⁠@@liammilne2242agree, love Saliba and he absolutely has a higher ceiling but majority of time the two played together I’d say Gabriel was at least on par, if not better

[@niclasrasmussen3009]

The disrespect Salah is getting is literally the story of his career.. it’s INSANE..

[@scottyh1238]

On technical ability, anybody picking Salah over Hazard really needs to get their head checked.

[@he_football]

McCubbs got it right. Bale all the way

[@Blackgate23]

Yeah I fully understand the salah shout though, but I believe at his best bale was unplayable

[@jamesdeegan211]

I agree. McCubbs got it. Salah close second

[@luremoz5651]

Hazard was like a little kid ready to tear it up with the boys every weekend, never trained, showed up on game day and just had fun. Majestic player

[@brandongiannascoli]

How can Gabriel possibly be overrated when we have great defensive performances nobody says anything about him everyone just talks about Saliba , Gabi is a monster of a pure defender amazing in the air, one on one and often has to cover for Zinchenko

[@Amberle38]

If anything he's underrated by everyone other than arsenal fans. He has a tough job to cover that left hand side when Zinchenko is playing for sure. Also scores a fair few goals for a CB. He complements Saliba perfectly, they work so well together.

[@nscrenrique]

What a present 🎉🤝🏼 congratulations dougie!!!!

[@uyiosaigiehon7174]

I think Joe completely missed the point of the first one. Ability was rarely ever mentioned with his argument about Salah, whereas Mike accurately detailed all the things that Bale could actually do on the football field

[@harvrenalds3887]

I'm sorry, but in one part of the video, you're all saying you look at numbers, but then when it comes to Gabriel, you ignore the numbers? Top 3 CB's for ariel duels, highest scoring CB since he came in. One of the best on the ball defenders in the world. Alongside Lisandro, he's probably the best Left sided CB in the league (Van De Ven is too soon). Please don't judge him when he's playing alongside Holding. He literally covers the whole of the left side of that defence when Zinny goes wandering. He's severely underrated.

[@jebirdman41]

The Best and most consistent, football content & media on KZbin ✊🏾😤

[@alexhewitt1295]

Salah comfortably better than all other wingers

[@ap3115]

Love team talk ❤ just not sure on over/under rated segment - we’re not bothered by whether people are rating the player IMO

[@RJTTxCuRLySuE]

If Mac Allister was playing in his regular position they’d all be singing his praises. The fact that’s he’s done so well being a number 6 is nothing short of brilliant

[@Journey22405]

the fact that theres 2 people saying Gabriel is over rated shows just how underrated he is. fans make combined XI's hes never there, post world cup he was as good as saliba before saliba got injured. We've played significantly better with him this season than without him. He has to be rated by rival fans and arsenal fans to be over rated, and i can think of a small number of rival fans that rate him at all.

[@claytonmeeks6562]

The 1st question was "natural ability" which must take physical abilities into consideration and Bale is head and shoulders above the rest.

[@SW-by9ob]

He had a natural physical ability to spend most of his career injured.

[@amolmehrotra1296]

Salah is like a bull mate, it requires like 2-3 players to take him down.

[@marko9463]

You see bale was probably the most exposive but salah is like strong and could bardge theough defenders

[@joeboyes7567]

Episodes like this make me think Joe's ability to sound knowledgeable is greater than his actual ball knowledge

[@EliCoolio317]

Joe had amazing take on amazing take in this video

[@vcitykrb4667]

Henry went to bat for big G this episode. Welcome to North London❤️🤍

[@dtaafe2857]

Salah doesn't have elite dribbling? 😲 That's a stinker Doogs!

[@dasurmel1424]

look up his stats.

[@dtaafe2857]

I don't need to. I have a pair of eyes.

[@sethbrand9009]

He was saying that in comparison to Hazard and Bale. And there is definitely a clear margin between Salah’s good dribbling and their elite dribbling

[@dasurmel1424]

@@dtaafe2857 well then u should put your glasses on or google whats dribbling is. the guy is bellow average dribbler. compare that to hazard who is easily top 3 with messi and neymar in the last decade. crazy how little people understand about football...

[@dtaafe2857]

​​@@sethbrand90096:13 No he wasn't. And Bale is a better dribbler than Salah 😂 Gtfoh Bale was a speed merchant, Salah is a miles better dribbler. Hazard is the only one that's open to debate, and I'd still take Salah.

[@IYIono]

Joe said “he was good against Arsenal” when he gave away a pen and should have been off while also scoring an own goal 😂

[@inhok5190]

not one Arsenal fan has ever claimed Gabriel to be top 3 in the league even now so he never was talked about in that breath 2-3 years ago?!? Do these guys even pay attention to football twitter???

[@sethbrand9009]

Football Twitter is not a monolith lmfao Dougie and Mikey probably got some delusional Arsenal fans on their threads. However, I think that a player’s underrated and overratedness should come from the general public’s view and not just the team’s fans view. Fans always overrate their team’s players anyways

[@hyperrat12]

Soooo many arsenal fans have him as one of the best defenders in the league 🤦🏽

[@joaomarques4030]

Since last season I'd call him one of the best center backs in the league easily, but not before saliba entering the team, with the right partner he's elite

[@jamesgunn7]

Why would they? They’re adults with social lives.

[@inhok5190]

@@sethbrand9009 exactly

[@ShaunLevett]

The Life of Brian reference went over everybody’s head, but I appreciated it.

[@coolmooful]

Rather than overrated or underrated, I think the category should be world class or not world class.

[@Bickle121]

What do you mean by world class though

[@JoshuaRossouw]

Does anyone know where Joe got his top from?

[@windofhorus666]

a very interesting debate, does consistency come into play when discussing ability? Hazard arguably had more ability than Salah but Salah was more consistent, and so was Mané. i.e. is Ability is actually a combination of Skill + consistency ?

[@newrecruit100]

People measure of consistency is so misjudged.

[@giorgoskyriakides4428]

McCubbin absolute waffle about Gabriel. How can you say Romero is underrated when he conceded a penalty and scored an own goal in the NLD, whilst Gabriel, alongside Saliba, forced Haaland to have 0.00xG in 2 games this season. Surely, he is underrated.

[@ayomideagboola6903]

Suggestion: instead of “overrated or underrated”, maybe try “overhyped vs under-hyped” because the discussion always leads towards who is properly hyped up in the media

[@fpl_djhammer]

atp it's just semantics then

[@jimfrank135]

As a spurs fan, I hope the world continues to underrate Romero so we can keep him for as long as possible. He is not only underrated but criminally underrated. Especially this season. On the ball he is a top 5 CB in the world. In terms of a CB affecting attacks, he might be the best, as his aggressiveness creates so many dangerous transitions for us. Yes he can be rash at times, but this season he has avoided that completely. And even if he does pick up the odd yellow, that is more than worth the trade off for all the times he wins the ball. He plays with no fear. Aerially he is excellent. In the prem I would say saliba and VVD are the only ones in his class

[@bigwarok]

And Dias but yeah ur 100% correct I hope people keep underrating him

[@liammilne2242]

There's a class of 5-6 top CB's in the prem which I'd say he's in, being VVD, Saliba, Dias, Romero, Stones and Gabriel. Imo there's a drop off in quality for any other CB's in the prem, with little to nothing between that group.

[@premiumfarter4964]

how does a cb who needs a quality cb by his side make him one of the best in the league? he’s so in need of quality beside him. without an above average cb beside him he’s average and extremely rash and irresponsible

[@jimfrank135]

@@premiumfarter4964would you call otamendi a quality CB at this time? If otamendi was the starting CB for the club you support, would you be happy? You wouldn't. You would want someone a lot better. Romero won the world cup alongside otamendi. Romero's first season alongside dier and davies, he was fantastic. dier and davies. would you say they are quality CBs? he had a few rash moments, gets a label, and then people like you just run with it. watch the games. he is amazing

[@nikolasavic1525]

Dias is the best cb in the world so youre forgetting him

[@ignatgoossens]

Joe, are you rocking New Amsterdam zipup?

[@hello7032]

Also congrats to Dougie and his partner, love happy news.

[@kakaisclass]

Bale is clear of the others but no disrespect at all to the others, even Mane is unreal on his day.

[@lennondsouza6199]

Congrats mr and mrs dougie!

[@skm5974]

Now I get why Doughie is crucified by every fan club except Sunderland. Calling Gabriel Overrated????? Shocking!!!

[@LucidFC]

Thank you so much for more mid week fun

[@jimfrank135]

Totally agree with dougie on salah. Hazard was the most naturally gifted player with the most ability amongst these

[@LFC_Hadzi]

Salah is most definitely the most underrated player in history. They undermine his passing, dribbling and even defensive work. He dribbled through the whole Man City defense and had them on skates and he does that CONSISTENTLY. He is in terms of every single metric the best player in this discussion

[@gavinodem5788]

scroll through the comments on this video and tell me he’s underrated again

[@NewscorpPhoneHackingDepartment]

@@gavinodem5788 because Liverpool have such a huge fanbase to defend him not because most rivals and pundits respect him.

[@gavinodem5788]

@@NewscorpPhoneHackingDepartment i couldn’t give less of a shit about what pundits think, as for rivals, do liverpool fans go about raving about aguero or something? no, because people are biased get over it

[@NewscorpPhoneHackingDepartment]

@@gavinodem5788 Why are you replying then? No one was interested in how much random user gavinodem5788 values other peoples opinions.

[@gavinodem5788]

@@NewscorpPhoneHackingDepartment because i think it’s stupid to call him the most underrated player of all time, clearly you were interested enough to reply back though

[@EthanG298]

I think Salah Hazard and Bale are all pretty close in terms of technical ability, dribbling, shooting, passing etc. But in terms of physical ability, I think Bale is miles ahead of both of them. He was almost at CR7 levels in terms of his physical power at Madrid. Salah and Hazard could never score the bicycle kick he scored in the CL final against Liverpool or the goal against Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey when he ran off the sideline, they just physically wouldn't be capable.

[@marko9463]

Saying that bale woudnt be able to score than hazard goal against west ham or arsenal

[@gavinodem5788]

@@marko9463yeah you can just change the words in this comment to dribbling and hazard, he’d be maybe the greatest dribbler any of us have ever seen if it wasn’t for messi

[@fpl_djhammer]

​@@gavinodem5788100% Hazard was the closest thing the Prem has ever gotten to Messi

[@TTTsupreme]

There’s not a single individual thing that Salah’s done that Bale hasn’t done better, based on ability. As Mikey said; Bales peak is the closest thing we’ve seen to peak Cr7

[@ArdensGember]

I think a lot of people forget just how good peak Bale was, because he wasn't able to keep at the level consistently. The question about who is best at their absolute peak, IMO Salah is behind Hazard and Bale. But in terms of who was the best player over their career, I would say Salah over both of them, because of the consistency Salah has. He just never peaked quite as high, but he has held his peak for much longer

[@Nmds15]

Bale didn't win the Golden boot, Salah has done it 3 time in the league

[@richardnash6300]

Loving the Monty Python reference from Mike. Shame it flew over everyone else's heads!

[@TJW-YT]

Bales time at Spurs is massively overstated, at Real he was phenomenal but he only had one genuinely world class season at Spurs and people act as if he was like it for years. If you remove his final season at Spurs and look at his performance over the 5 seasons prior to that he got less goals and assists than Saka has in his first 4 seasons at Arsenal. People always talk about that moment against Inter, but ultimately it was a hattrick when they were 4-0 down and led to them losing the match 4-3. To be super clear, his final season at Spurs and early time at Real were legitimately outstanding, Bale is one of my favourite players of the last 10 years, so I am in no way trying to completely discredit him. Just pointing out that people overrate his overall time at Spurs and think he was this all action, goal scoring winger for years in England and he really wasn't. Also, the part about Gabriel was legitimately just pure waffle from Mikey. Gabriel has made 1 error leading to a goal in the last 18 months, so how he's managed to "make a mistake in every big game" and only have one that has led to a goal is quite impressive. The "penalty he gave away against Man City" was the season prior and it wasn't that he gave away a penalty - that was Xhaka, what happened was Gabriel got booked for scuffing the penalty spot and then got a second yellow for a foul on the halfway line on Jesus. I think Gabriel is overrated personally, but only because you hear people saying he's a top 3 PL centre back right now and he's just not there for me, but not a single part of what Mikey said about him was accurate.

[@xavier1752]

They don’t overrate his time at Spurs, you just aren’t a good listener. Whenever people talk about Bale at Spurs, they are only referring to one season. Saka comparison is gratuitous

[@TJW-YT]

@@xavier1752 Dougie said "Bale was a one man team at Spurs for several seasons", Mikey says "Bale was arguably the best player in the Premier League for 2-3 years" Yeah, I don't listen and they're only talking about one season. I'm not comparing him to Saka in ability, I think Bale as a talent is miles clear and like I already said, that final season at Spurs and his time at Real (at least the first few years) he was a phenomenal player, but his record at Spurs before that final season was worse in terms of output than Sakas at Arsenal and Saka has played one less season. I'm not saying that means Saka is, or will be better than him, I'm just saying that nobody is saying Saka is the best player in the league (and rightly so) but people remember Bale as being that for multiple seasons.

[@latinoheat5311]

If Romero started for Liverpool he would have been sent off every game he played😂

[@jodaco3869]

He just made up that stat about Gabriel having the most errors leading two goal out of the top 4 clubs

[@Lintonz]

The chat from Dougie about Salah is solely based on him being Egyptian, if he was European he would be judging him very differently

[@marcusevans7183]

Been waiting for the next team talk 😂

[@jakobsmith4046]

Hazard no goal/no assist seasons in the UCL: 13/14: 0 assists 15/16 0 goals 19/20 0 goals 20/21 0 assists 21/22 0 goals 0 assists 22/23 0 assists

[@Kdc98]

Joe is brilliant in this video.

[@aqca82]

Howlers galore

[@adamwatton1809]

Suarez was the best player in the league while bale was there

[@kevm3569]

romero discussions are so crazy because argentina/south american fans think he’s amazing whilst in england everyone bar spurs fans think he’s rash and terrible

[@reinderrider45]

As an Arsenal fan, Romero is a class defender

[@limpan9999]

Im a West Ham fan and i can tell you that Romero is top 5 in the prem quite clearly, best ball playing defender in the league

[@Journey22405]

I dont mind people calling him a class defender, its when people say hes the best in the league or the best in the world thats when i take issue. hes massively over rated by spurs fans who will pull out stats saying "OH HE HAS THE MOST BALL RECOVERIES" failing to mention that he only has stats that high because he needs to do more work than other cbs. hes not better than akanji, ake, stones, dias gvardiol. Saliba, Gabriel and i would even take Botman over him personally. hes class but not the best ITW or INL not even top 5 honestly.

[@kevm3569]

@@Journey22405 he’s considerably better than gabreil ake and akanji don’t let your arsenal tinted shades blind you brother

[@ichigopimp97]

Every negative thing they said about romero they would be glazing john terry for

[@v3165]

Gabriel is still young! The mistake argument is dumb. Nearly ever mistake has been due to other factors imo, like weight of pass etc.

[@iamchoppy]

S tier introduction from the boys

[@Thwze]

You definitely replace white and zinchenko before Gabriel that was a wild statement from dougie that he somehow got away with

[@invertedgoalkeeper]

I'm sorry, Romero was good against Arsenal? He was directly at fault for two goals!

[@TheChittaz]

I swear Joe is an undercover Liverpool fan 😂

[@markitobarca]

fantastic debate

[@EmmaUwU69]

How is kova so overrated, he doesn’t have any skills outside of dribbling and then does nothing with in it because he has no creativity or shooting ability

[@eliasdedecker6893]

Mickey was very off today with the over-/underrateds. So out of touch with what people actually think

[@DrewK19]

Bale was the best of the 4 in a one off game at the peak of powers.

[@mikkelandersen2167]

bale is clearly the best of those wingers

[@MrBuurh]

What is the waffle I just heard about Gabriel 😂last season he gave away 2 pens in 38 games & had 1 error leading to a goal? In 38 games?! I wouldn't say that is extremely error prone 😂

[@hello7032]

In defense of Mccubs, I think adults should be more silly. Serious about serious matters, other than that be kind and silly.

[@Enyece]

Gabriel is the most underrated defender in the world

[@i3p973]

Joe was so off on the first question cause there is no way that he thinks Salah has more natural ability than Bale and Hazard.

[@BrandonGiordano]

Love Salah but it's just an objective truth that Hazard was more naturally gifted

[@AntonGreismann]

He only watches the Premier League clearly. Bale's goalscoring wasn't even that different from Salah's (0.6 goals per game vs. 0.63 for Salah), not to mention Salah was the main focal point of an attack which included one of the most selfless and creative 9s of all time in Firmino. Bale had to compete with Benzema and Ronaldo for attacking opportunities, and even still he almost scored as much as Salah. If the question was "who stayed fit the most" the answer would be Salah. In terms of talent, he's not even close to either Bale or Hazard.

[@elidir]

@@AntonGreismann Eh. Discussions around Salah are always going to be incredibly unfair, he's been world class for 6 years, never injured, is never below par for more than a month at a time. But it's true, you do sometimes watch him and wonder how the hell he gets the numbers with how limited he looks technically. Bale and Hazard are incredibly easy on the eye and produced highlights constantly at their peaks, most match going fans I know say Hazard is the best player they ever watched live and for me Bale is one of the most complete forwards i've ever seen, and in terms of ball striking, idk, I couldn't think of many better ever.

[@kanteng7190]

Truth be told, only Liverpool fans rate Salah higher than Hazard

[@BrandonGiordano]

@kanteng7190 that's cap

[@Mason-fj5dh]

I'm sorry but Mike was talking out of his ass when they were discussing Gabriel😂. Good episode though boys👍🏾

[@charliebrett2432]

In terms of Garbiel - I definitely think he's about the top 10-8 CBs in the PREM but the way the majority of Arsenal fans think he's pushing top 3 makes him overrated. Still a solid defended but not anywhere near even Saliba

[@hyenfps]

Just proving the underrated boys point to be honest.

[@BrandonGiordano]

Salah gets disrespected so much its ridiculous. Stats don't lie.

[@juniorkhomari1850]

The debate was on Natural ability dude

[@theblues8840]

How does Joe think Kovacic is overrated and “got plaudits for Croatia” but Macallister is underrated and apparently “didn’t get much credit for Argentina”? Macallister has had ridiculous amounts of praise since he’s won the World Cup, Brighton being flavour of the month for the past year has also hyped him up a lot

[@timlett99]

Gabriel is arguably the most overrated player in the league imo he has never been that guy for Arsenal and as a player he's extremely underwhelming. I'm fully with McCubs on that one, he's a perfectly fine player but he's way off the mark as one of the best in the league. Joe saying he's top 5 is laughable

[@paddygallery8891]

That’s Class from Sunderland, congrats Dougs

[@Bamiles27]

Pure ability for the first question Salah first Hazard second Bale third Mane last. If it’s best player imo it’s Bale but based on talent and ability it’s closer between Salah and Hazard than Hazard to Bale.

[@feeamerie5011]

Dougie has the best “wtf am I listening to..?” face off all the FD crew, (bar Lord Pato ofc!)

[@capadam1440]

Loved this one lads. I thought McCubbs won 👍 Bale was a freak at his peak. I would put him top when you add in Cymru performances. It's marginal between him and Salah though.

[@dgrub15]

I think everyone is forgetting just how dominant Hazard was when Belgium was at their peak when they were ranked #1 in the world. In a team with Dembele, De bruyne, Lukaku, mertens, carrasco, witsel, vertonghen, alderwiereld... Hazard single handedly controlled and dominated games for the national team and at times looked absolutely unplayable. It is easy to forget how he could just have a grip on every aspect of a game bc of how it has gone sour at Madrid, but I think he could take games over unlike most players except Messi of the last 30 years.

[@Bickle121]

Number 1 but did poorly in tournaments

[@gavinodem5788]

yeah i think specifically for “ability at their peak” as a question hazard is extremely hard to match

[@ShaunLevett]

Football media has to stop describing players as Rolls Royces.

[@coolmooful]

Question for the next episode of Team Talk - Rank these transfers from worst to least worst: - Hazard to Real Madrid - Coutinho to Barcelona - Griezmann to Barcelona - Pogba to Manchester United

[@kageryu311]

Least Worse is Pogba, Worst is Hazard. Pogba won Man U the Europa League and the League Cup. Also he has 39 goals in all competitions with them and around 50 assists as a central midfielder.

[@nathanfranklin1151]

A great line up - only missing Pat

[@jackroberts4410]

Salah over Hazard and Bale on ability is an outrageous take

[@VitoCorleone66]

Hazard not bottom is outrageous

[@jhines5713]

Hazard is so overrated

[@AFC_SE]

Joe Thomlinson’s immune system is non-existent 🤣

[@rossneil4413]

Somebody behind the camera fact checking things is a great addition. Some blatant lies have been told in previous episodes that have gone unchecked.

[@namejsliepins2577]

Goal scoring isn' t main attribute of winger. Dribbling and crossing are. Scoring is a bonus. In reality only one of those players is winger. two others are inside forward while third is playmaker playing on wing.

[@j0ke403]

I'm a liverpool fan who watches every liverppol game since 2018 and salah's shooting is not that special hes an efficient penalty box finisher but can't consitently stike the ball well outside the box and can't hit with power, his dribbling is weird some games he has world class moments, byt some games hes so inefficient, but creatively his range of passes ha sbeen so underated, even though he used to be greedy he has always been an amazing creator, bale and hazard can strike the ball better, hazrd can dribble better, but salh is a better in box finisher and creator, and more consistent.

[@mr.dareisayitdrifty8792]

Salah took Egypt to 2 CAF finals both in 2017 and 2022. By himself. Bale had Ashley Williams who was back in 2016 a good premier league CB, and Aaron Ramsey.

[@sherqyanstromain9580]

Went to a Euro semi greater and qualified for World Cup in the way harder region

[@BC-th3mx]

Egypt won a record 7 AFCONs before Salah, he’s added none

[@cityofmagic4370]

14:58 nobody said a word about mane 😂