I Played The WORST JRPG Series of All Time

[@TheGamingShelf]

Are there any JRPG series WORSE than this? 🤔

[@OutrunCitizen]

I'm unsubscribing btw

[@brian3075]

@@OutrunCitizencause you're a wuz lol

[@coolguy48457]

Saga is far from great, but you were clearly rushing this video and not even playing the games as one approaching a JRPG with integrity would. I beat FF Legend 3 at 8 years old, it was my second RPG ever next to Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. Never did I feel stuck or lacking in direction, its clear you rushed text and didnt bother talking to anyone to get your bearings. Elder explains Talons functions after you go there at the beginning of the game, you are told where to go to get upast, its actually a decently solid game when you give it a fair chance, not blaze through it with no interest whatsoever.

[@jadedheartsz]

i've heard pretty bad things about Metal Saga(no relation)I remember the Gameinformer review of that game was not kind.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@coolguy48457 no troll, JRPGs are insanely long and it would've taken him ages to do EVERY single game in the series 100%. Clearly you skimmed the video as he mentioned he DID in fact talk to people and still got stuck.

[@Galahaddruid]

Not giving directions and just throwing you into the world to discover what to do on your own is kind of a staple of this series. It is actually one of the reasons SaGa fans like it.

[@TheSSJMaverick]

FFL3 literally tells you the town you need to go to, and person to speak to in the beginning of the game. Even tells you where and why’d you need the float spell. I’m convinced he had no intention of giving these games a fair shot. These game aren’t for everyone but if your into old school rpgs, where reading dialog, taking notes, and unveiling the story in a ‘choose your own adventure’ way. These games are definitely worth a look!

[@TheTateful]

I figured out the entire game just fine when I was 8 years old. Not sure what TGS's impediment is.

[@whatever7182]

​@@TheTateful it's a skill issue, sadly. Dude got filtered and blamed it on "game design" lol

[@FadeDragontear]

It maybe just that SaGa games aren't the best for farming content on a treadmill. Each analysis here seems like it was a rushjob to get a surface level feel for the games vibes and capture some footage without actually engaging deeply into them thus missing the whole point.

[@Unquestionable]

I mean that's how you get engagement! Gotta make sure there is an in game checklist so you best plan your uploads around!

[@LeonardoBramante]

@@cpthardluck Agreed. Look at Gaming Broductions for an example, they have some real quality videos that get your attention, are informative, and keep you coming back for more.

[@RR-wb8ek]

You put it perfectly

[@anothernoise216]

One thing i really dislike about modern critiques on older games is the constant lack of checking manuals, when those games were made with the player reading them before even start playing, and using the mindset that "everything i need should already be in the game" is unfair to games that weren't designed in such way yet.

[@traceacex]

yes, his critique is absolutely valid but this is also a pet peeve of mine as a gamer from this era LOL. you see retro streamers all the time even go 'I won't use any guide but the manual' and get through the games because the manual is absolutely essential even if you're doing a blind run.

[@RegalPixelKing]

I don't think is relevant whether or not this game is being played with more modern sensibilities. Why do you think games are no longer designed in such a way? It's because it's bad and unfun design, if something is bad and unfun call it out regardless of whether or not it's fair.

[@Foundthesun]

@@RegalPixelKingYMMV but I prefer when it’s clear the person gave the game a fair shake when you make such a grand ‘this series is the worst’ statement. 😅 He can like or dislike the game series all he wants - TBH I am not a huge SaGa fan either, not my taste of JRPG - but complaining he had to look up a guide when he was playing a game during the era they expected people to read the manual just felt a little silly to me.

[@LeonardoBramante]

@@RegalPixelKing Except people find that design fun as well. Look at the Souls franchise, it's pretty much just as cryptic as SaGa. They don't really explain things to you, they expect you to figure it out yourself , they expect you to experiment and explore.

[@anothernoise216]

@@LeonardoBramante Yeah, Tunic for example it's a game all about making a manual a part of the gameplay gimmick, and even if in game tutorial and direction is more acessible and better in the sense of not neading exterior things to experience the game, there's still something worth in complimentary things like a manual, so much that till this day there's games designed this way, they just happen to be most in the indie scene now.

[@notimetopaint]

I was reading a discussion about tutorials in games and saw the point that a lot of older games had very short or none at all and this was because the expected way of playing was that you would have read the manual that came with the game. So I had a look at the final fantasy legend manual and it explained everything in it that confused you and even had a nice little walkthrough for a good chunk of the game in it. Not saying that it would have made you enjoy the early saga games more or anything just an interesting observation that even us old gamers forget about when playing old games and also doesn't help with the more modern entries 😂

[@jbirzer]

That was my reaction when he learned he could jump in 3. A lot of these older games depend on the manual to teach you the game.

[@Biggi87]

I get that rage-bait titles give views but complaining about how an 8-bit rpg works like how most 8-bit rpgs worked back then makes you sound a bit petty and like you intentionally didn't do your homework. Also, do you really think a series that's unpopular would get 8 games over it's first 10 years? No, SaGa was obviously really popular in Japan. It was Squares 2nd series only after Final Fantasy.

[@akun50]

This is an opinion piece, not hard set rule. If you enjoyed the games here, that's great; but please realize that just like broccoli and durians, there's going to be people who love it and people who hate it.

[@HansAlRachid]

@@akun50 I mean, their point stands either way, no? Sure, it's an opinion piece, but it _is_ willfully framing information in an objectively inaccurate way so as to form a narrative intended to bait rage-views. These two things don't preclude one another.

[@swapnilkarmakar7473]

man bought a bicycle and complained that its not a car.

[@cjqcresent292]

This video is very misinformed about an actually good but very niche JRPG series. Unlimited SaGA DIDN'T kill the series. SaGa 2 & 3 had remakes for the DS a couple of years after Unlimited SaGa.

[@mistersomaru]

ah, 30 minutes of "I need my hand held" for a gameboy game. I bet you'd have trouble beating FF Mystic Quest.

[@cedrikthibert7033]

I was 8 when I speedrun that game. Lol

[@mistersomaru]

​@@cedrikthibert7033I still think he'd have problems LOL

[@jack_stone]

I have trouble reading between the lines in old video game quests that I have to take notes regularly and I'd get farther than this guy.

[@HiroTsukasa]

Imagine running a channel about JRPG's, but being this bad at playing them...

[@whatever7182]

Yeah, this guy got excited when he read claims of "journalist easy modes," but was even more disappointed to find out they didn't really exist. Reminds me the the people (who never played a From game) giving Eldin Ring bad reviews because it was too hard.

[@jojogodtier]

Imagine running a JRPG channel and giving up after like 2 hours of grinding 💀. What genre does bro think he playing

[@HappyRatKaiser]

Ah... my favorite JRPG series! But honestly, not surprised you didn't much care for it. SaGa games are deliberately designed obtuse puzzle boxes. They're games for people who remember--and enjoyed--the feeling of being a little kid in the '80s, bombing every rock in Zelda in the hope of finding hidden secrets, or who picked up Demon's Souls on release and found it intriguing that the game explained basically nothing on how its systems worked, and were then motivated to piece it all together through play and experimentation. They're games designed by a developer whose foremost influences were '80s CRPGs like Ultima 4, Avalon Hill board games, and actual tabletop sessions of D&D. Thus, non-linear progression and lack of hand-holding from Ultima, the dense mechanics and RNG inherent in many dice-driven board games, and the loose narratives built around exploration and side-quests as an attempt to emulate the freewheeling nature of the classic D&D party. They're classified as JRPGs, but they don't fit the stereotype. In some ways, I think the chilly response in the west comes down to this failure to meet expectations. Final Fantasy Legend was well-received on the Game Boy, but seven years later, SaGa Frontier was the first game we received in the series to bear its actual name, and it was given the unenviable task of being the immediate follow-up to Final Fantasy 7. A generation of brand new JRPG fans, their views of the genre firmly cemented by that landmark title, picked up Frontier and immediately felt betrayed: "where's my linear narrative, where are my beautiful CGI cutscenes, I wanted a visual novel with random encounters, not whatever the hell THIS is!" Meanwhile in Japan, where JRPGs had a longer and decidedly more experimental history, the SaGa games were a known quantity, and enjoyed more acceptance and success. Getting back to this video, I appreciate the effort that went into playing all of these games, and I certainly believe you when you say you did not enjoy them. However, I wish you would have put more time into understanding how to play these games before you reviewed them, because the main takeaway I got from this video was that you stumbled in expecting things to play a certain way, got upset when things didn't work like you were used to, showed little curiosity as to what the game might actually want from you, and gave up. That is your prerogative as a player, but I feel it makes for shallow criticism.

[@Goldenkitten1]

Honestly I don't mind that he didn't like the games, I have a rocky relationship with this series myself. The problem comes from the fact it's obvious he made no attempt to fairly criticize them. There's no talking about what the games did right, no suggestions as to what he thinks could improve them, no real explanations beyond what you get in the first ten-minutes of each game; just thirty-minutes of salty hate that the games didn't fit into what he likes from his JRPGs. That doesn't make for a fair or interesting video, just good clickbait.

[@Sombrelame]

"chose members at the guild" "i don't get it" "i talk to npc but don't know where to go/what to do" i think i know where the issue is and it's not the games

[@bioboost12]

Gotta talk to everyone and explore.

[@akun50]

To be honest, considering its immediate predecessor in the west was Final Fantasy 1, where you started with your full team; and Dragon Quest/Warrior 1 and 2, where you were either a 1 man army or got some form of story before playing and getting allies along the way; it's not entirely unjustified to be confused by the notion of adding party members manually after the intro. Dragon Quest/Warrior 3 allowed you to recruit, but whether people would've had the chance to play it before playing this one isn't a guarantee. Plus, given that *all* of those games gave you _some_ in-game story, it could be confusing for a number of players.

[@joaoguilherme8083]

This video is 30 minutes of : "I didn't read the game manual"

[@rufure9294]

Or rather : "There is no red big marker to tell where to go next so i have figure by myself ?!"

[@306parksn]

@@rufure9294 I am legitimately confused, are these games that hard? He said he got lost for hours in a dungeon I don't even remember being difficult. Is it a generational thing? I haven't really played anything after the early PS2, did JRPGs get much easier?

[@rufure9294]

@306parksn gaming has become much guided or oriented (not necessarily easier). It's rare in recent game where you don't an hint/marker to where to go. Recent player became accustomed to this so when playing older who didn't have those, they found it more complicated to oriente themselves

[@kristoferscott3373]

Exactly this

[@pruitv4]

@@306parksn it isnt, saga frontier 2 was a very great game and to me it seems he somehow managed to skip that characters prior chapters because the members he had there appear much later in the game, there was an annoying dungeon but i dont know how you can miss the reason why they went there.

[@jakehood7463]

Saga Frontier 1/2 gave you the freedom to tackle the end game bosses very early. Doesn't mean that you had to or should have unless you enjoyed the difficulty. Some people did beat the mounted knight in early Elden Ring or even the tutorial boss but 99% weren't expect to. You were suppose to lose. When you hit a wall too high for you to scale, don't you look to see if you can go around? "This area is too hard, I need homies" was how SF encouraged you to explore the rest of the world. It's kinda obvious, man.

[@AnaverdGaiden]

I hate it when people play games wrong then blame the game for their own shortcomings

[@wazzer912]

​@@AnaverdGaidenIt's wild how he criticized Romancing Saga 2 for making certain missions hard to do but never mentioning that's because you're not going to be able to do every side quest you want in your first playthrough. It's not an oversight or bad design. That's the freaking game!

[@NeutralGloomBot]

I mean the first three Saga games were staples of my childhood but never really played any of the others. But you're clearly a younger gamer and you grew up with the era of games holding your hand and telling you everywhere to go and everything to do so its not unexpected that older games would miss for you. We NES kids grew up with "here is the game, you figure it out" and we'd loved every frustrating minute of it. lol

[@timmer919hep]

I don't think an RPG series that isn't for everyone somehow equals it being the worst RPG series of all time.

[@Vezalin]

No shit, it's like it's their own opinion, which is obvious and shouldn't needed to be stated.

[@Fighter600]

@@Vezalin But extraordinary claims, like "worst rpg series of all time", require extraordinary evidence. And people found the evidence wanting.

[@fastica]

But that title gives clicks, and that's the only thing that matters.

[@StormWHM]

Personally, I dislike the Atelier series more. Never had interest in that type of grinding.

[@Caspicum]

bro you missed April 1st by a few months

[@sora8711]

Now here's somebody I'd trust to actually give these games the fair chance they deserve.

[@Air0087]

Man, if 10 year old me could figure out what to do in FFL 3 with english not being my first language, I'm sure you could've as well.

[@b00g3rs21]

it's kind of funny how quickly he gives up, maybe it's a generational thing haha

[@ygordreyer]

Love his videos, but absolutely agreed. 10 min before guide? That is so absurd.

[@acidwizard6528]

I easily beat FFL3 as a 10 year old in the 1990s well before the internet was around to provide easy answers. There are some shit SaGa games, but there are way worse JRPG series like Hyper Dimension Neptunia.

[@Satiator123]

​@b00g3rs21 it was pretty apparent when he said search the same area twice in FF Legends 3. He was upset about having to search the same area in the present and past and never even considered they came from the future. Too bad he didn't stick it out. He would have discovered there was an ocean floor, as well as Floatland.

[@Satiator123]

​@ygordreyer That's because you were expected to read the manual before you played the game. And let's not forget about the maps.

[@cristianguanziroli3648]

1 - You didn't read the manuals. That way you would know what to do. Games til ps2 used to have manuals for a reason. 2 - I think you are too much used to modern easy games.

[@bioboost12]

Well...he did get lost playing ff 4

[@jeremyhall2727]

​@@martinde-serres8724use the options to look at the controller mapping

[@calvin659]

@@martinde-serres8724 No, a “lot” of modern games most certainly did not copy the no handholding mentality of earlier games. His take is spot on, read the manuals and fix your attention span.

[@jojogodtier]

He would lose in a mario game

[@9Delineal]

Getting lost in SF2 must be considered an achievement

[@BasicSneedEducation]

I got lost too in that game. Saga is literally shit design the series.

[@klissattack]

How though? It literally had you pick the levels and just play within them. Point to point

[@BasicSneedEducation]

@@klissattack I picked not Gustavo but the other guy's story. I ended up in a dungeon and could not figure out where to fucking go. Also the battles were painfully slow and not fun. It's a shame because the game is beautiful visually and the music is excellent.

[@klissattack]

@@BasicSneedEducation Ok, that fair. Dungeon design is pretty bad

[@RioDragoon]

Didn't bother learning any of the games, and yet took the time to edit and complete a video about hating them... Curious hill to die on.

[@clue2025]

I think he spent more time making it reasons he didn't like each one than actually playing them to find legit reasons to dislike each one.

[@WPFreeinternet]

Look at his tier list videos and how old it is and how much he hated SaGa Frontier. There was zero intention to give the series an honest go, he went in as a hater.

[@Malisa1990]

"What's a manual" the video.

[@GregRJohnson736]

A game series that requires you to read manuals and walkthroughs just to progress the game isn't super fun, what a surprise.

[@StormWHM]

@@GregRJohnson736 Game designers that need an introduction to game design. Like the Sequelitis Mega Man X video. Which was funny as hell...

[@starofjustice1]

@@GregRJohnson736 Bruh. Video games didn't used to have tutorials that explained what every single button does. If older games aren't your style, or you don't enjoy the mechanics, I get that. And to be fair, the FFL games have one of the weirdest progressions I've ever seen: I tried to get into these games too because the worlds sounded cool, but I got turned off by how complicated leveling was. But if you don't like the game because you can't be bothered to read the instructions that would've come with it...come on.

[@fastica]

@@GregRJohnson736 Tutorials are literally in-game manuals.

[@GregRJohnson736]

@@starofjustice1 I can dislike a game for whatever reason. Reading external instructions is not something I want to do. I'm not trying to solve a puzzle or build ikea furniture, I'm just trying to play a game. There's an infinite amount of games out there I can just go play something else if I don't like it and if there wasn't I could just go do something else I enjoy. I'm not being forced to play games I don't enjoy, and the few games of the saga series I have played I don't enjoy. They either require you to have a walkthrough open to progress or tons of time spent talking to random NPCs or wandering around aimlessly trying to find the next clue. Some people might enjoy that, I don't, most sane people who value their leisure time spent don't. Why do you think this series is basically dead? Because it's such a great series that everyone enjoys? As for older games, I used to enjoy them, I play them from time to time and the reason they didn't need tutorials explaining everything was they were often much much simpler back in the day. Fewer buttons, fewer mechanics, fewer in game systems to keep track of and that is part of the charm of playing older games.

[@TOKyleGHOUL]

So you couldn't play every single title to completion, sure. But you couldn't even finish the beyond emerald demo? 🤔

[@julieb3240]

The Saga series was always something I detested. I would play a bit of every new game in the series and get so frustrated and turned off, that I would quit a few hours into them (with the exception of Unlimited Saga where I didn't even last an hour). Not too long back, I started seeing videos from Davidvinc about how much he loved the games in the GB trilogy, and I'm like.. I just don't understand what he sees in them (and I wanted to understand), so I decided to look into the mechanics of FF Legends 1 beforehand (wsc version) just to get an idea of what I was getting into, so that I wouldn't get frustrated over the directionless nature of these games, and give them a fair shot without my pre-conceived notions. It absolutely made all of the difference. I've slowly starting working my way through each game in the series from there, and I've started appreciating the depth and the quirks that every game offers. It doesn't always pan out, but I appreciate the effort that goes into trying to make something different (and not in the way that turning Final Fantasy XVI into a mediocre action game is somehow 'different', but actually different). I've grown to love the series so much, I actually want to give Unlimited Saga another shot. I'm so glad that the series didn't die off because Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond are one-of-a-kind experiences. I love the Saga oddness so much now!!! But to my point,... I'm not saying you'll go back and try them, and that you'll necessarily change your mind about them, but mindset is half of the battle with these games. If you do a little research into each game's unique mechanics, it pays off in spades with enjoyment factor once it clicks. I was just at a point where I was burned out on anime melodrama in most modern RPGs and I needed to find something mechanically interesting in the genre, and SaGa really scratched that itch. Sure, they don't have the most compelling stories but I like them for what they are, and once you master the systems in each game, it's so gratifying and addicting. It's nice to play something that isn't so story-focused from time to time anyways. It actually got me interested in dungeon crawlers and the likes, so I owe a lot to this series for opening up my mind a bit. I respect your views though. I was also adamantly against Dragon Warrior for 20 years before I played Dragon Quest IX and then I got it!!! Sometimes it just takes the right game at the right moment, but even if you never touch the series again, that's fine as well. I just think there's value in the series if you are willing to just do some bare minimum research, but I know not everyone is always willing to. People play games for fun and research isn't fun, in and of itself. In the case of SaGa, I think it is a stepping stone for good times, however.

[@moogleboy]

"I got filtered hard. I only play "Mash Confirm to Win" JRPGs!"

[@akun50]

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Oh wait, you just did.

[@whatever7182]

​@@akun50 well, I did watch the video and dude got filtered insanely hard. He objectively sucks at video games (and at making videos, as click baity they are, but that's a different story), is annoyed that a jrpg is not be like every other jrpg he likes, expects his hand to be held, and is lazy and/or a quitter. What I don't understand is how you got anything but that since that's basically what the entire video is about. Are you sure you watched it? He at no point says anything redeemable about the series and constantly complains about lack of direction and difficulty, so yeah, he got filtered. Are you just simping here?

[@jojogodtier]

​@@whatever7182100% correct. Very frustrating to watch him bitch at things he either lies about or just skill issues. If he wants to play a rpg that coddles him and helps him in every step he can play undertale.

[@Goldenkitten1]

@@akun50 How do you interpret it any other way than him getting filtered? It's thirty-minutes of him yelling "Not linear enough!" There's nothing wrong with this not being your kind of game but at some point in the creation process of a whole ass video raging at not being his linear style of JRPG you'd think he'd have realized "Maybe this series just isn't for me" before getting to the point where he plays himself on the world stage. I can only conclude this was for the clickbait views or our man got four-hours of video and was like "Well I'm not *NOT* going to get that bag off this!" It's a shame as I do think he's made some decent videos but this just reeks of "I have no intention of trying to figure these games out or offer genuine criticism such as what it could do better or what I think it did do right, nobody will complain if I just get salty for half an hour right?!" If he'd even sort of tried to give the games a fair shake and come out the other end with a "I tried but I just can't enjoy this style" I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. Just different strokes for different folks. But he doesn't, he just gets angry and half the games doesn't even give them 20-minutes to try and prove themselves which as a supposed hardened JRPG player he should know is a comically short amount of time to try and understand such a game.

[@Nenacu]

Nah bro. Don't conflate not understanding a game for it being a bad game or a bad series of games.

[@paulhorneschillings1212]

Remember when Sizzler07 made that whole "Contra frickin sucks" video and he got roasted for it and he took the video down? That kid had more shame and integrity than this guy. The real reason KZbin removed visible dislikes is because controversy/bait shit like this increases engagement and adviews for the company so KZbin can keep on projecting to companies that KZbin advertising is a viable means of selling a product and not thr massive fucking annoyance everyone actually thinks it is. And if people would click on this video and see the dislike ratio they'd just click off instead of watching it, because if they watched it they might comment and comments = engagement and engagement = adviews.

[@SternSupremacy]

I wonder, since Saga came out during a different generation of gaming, if the lack of hand holding was intended. Just look at games like Metroid and Legend of Zelda: both regarded as amazing games, neither did hardly any hand holding.

[@jadedheartsz]

they expected you to read the manual.

[@aquapendulum]

There is more to consider than just the amount of hand holding though. Metroid and Zelda being both Metroidvania games in different presentation were actually teaching players how to play by limiting the number of options they can do at the beginning and the number of buttons they can press. When you only have 8 buttons to press - 4 of which are directional - and a very narrow space you can move around, it doesn't take a lot of interactions to find out how you can progress. Game designs are all about minimizing boredom. Repetition induces boredom. And a very narrow range of options minimize repetition.

[@Baoran]

This video seems to be more about his own impatience and him expecting game to tell him exactly what to do rather than the games themselves.

[@n00bc0de7]

He literally admits he only played most of these games for about 10 minutes. Thats not even enough time to get through the first cutscene in some final fantasy games.

[@jojogodtier]

He expects coddling

[@PeruvianPotato]

I can guarantee if he played for longer, you'd say something like "Oh but why did you play the game for so long if you really don't like it?"

[@jeremyhall2727]

😂 watching some dude reviewing games he never beat. I may as well watch a review about a movie some guy never watched. He saw 10 mins of it... Yeah that should be good enough.

[@Staff7]

Don’t listen to this guy romancing saga 2 and 3 are some the best rpgs of all time.

[@emsbanifufu2642]

The Saga series is my second most favorite video game series after Suikoden. I actually like Unlimited Saga, too.

[@julien2983]

Bro could get lost in a phone booth.

[@icykid]

Lmao

[@jojogodtier]

Even with a map

[@pokijuubmnkjnl]

I never played any Saga game, so i'm not saying was a fan, but if your video is not intended to by inflamatory, you did a really bad job a at it... For beginning, you say that you are not that fan of old RPGs, so it's pretty obvious that you will not like a franchise that is made mostly of old RPGs... Then you complaing about lack of tutorials, but as many people already say, old games usually come with manuals and it's really unfair judging a game without searching for one, that's a universal flaw of playing old games in modern times. I also expect that you would endure through the games and finish i to give a fair review, even if you disliked it, but most of the games you just play very little, hit a road block and instantly get filtered... I can't judge you for not playing a thing you didn't like, but if you intend to make a video calling a entire franchise "The WORST JRPG Seires of All Time" you really should actually play the games, specially the one you call for sure "The worst JRPG" and barely play it... Once again i say, i'm not a fan of the franchise and i'm sure many of those games probably age like milk, but honestly, this video say much more about you than about any of the games on it.

[@klissattack]

I love that he said Romancing Saga 2 was his favorite of the Romancing games yet played an hour of it. Not realizing that you cycle thru kings very frequently

[@philbuttler3427]

Homie hasn't even played the games he's defending.

[@pokijuubmnkjnl]

@@philbuttler3427 I'm not defending the games itself, i'm criticizing the critic. It's hard to give credit to an opinion saying that a entire franchise is "the worst" while the person don't bother to give the game a fair chance and just give up at the first minor roadblock.

[@Clesarie]

I mean it's your opinion but man as far as your made it into saga 1 and determined it sucked is as far as I made it into this video and thought your opinion was trash.

[@PollyPlushie]

Lowest common denominator content for the content mill, really. "Weird thing is non-traditional and bad," is some of the most boring "criticism".

[@aussiejo5764]

You clickbaited my favourite series of all time :(

[@MegaMoosemaster]

I think you might just be bad at jrpgs...or really impatient.

[@jeremyhall2727]

No joke about that. He was running from all the random battles. He wasn't going to make it far at all.

[@AnaverdGaiden]

@@jeremyhall2727 I notice that's every person who says RPGs suck. They start the game, run from every battle, then die at the first boss and go "this game requires so much grinding, it's terrible!" They'll also just spam normal attacks and ignore skills and items.

[@jeremyhall2727]

@@AnaverdGaiden Yeah they need to prepare more. No different then how a boxer train before a fight. Fighting those random battles... that's like working out for your character. The more you fight (workout) the stronger you will become.

[@AnaverdGaiden]

@@jeremyhall2727 Yeah, exactly! Personally, I love the feeling of growing in an RPG. It's a lot of fun going from struggling to survive in a dungeon to the enemies becoming manageable, and then easy. Plus, I think it's silly how people complain about having to fight battles in RPGs when literally every other genre of games also forces you to fight encounters.

[@jeremyhall2727]

@@AnaverdGaiden you said it perfectly 👍🏾 I don't know what happened it people. It's like they forgot what RPGs was. When I was a kid... people used to say, "those smart people games." I guess it was too hard for a lot of people back then too 😂

[@drakewarnock1239]

I respect that everyone has their own opinions, but we can't be friends

[@lambertar]

Lol, so you don't respect that everyone has their own opinion 😂

[@drakewarnock1239]

@@lambertar Oh you can have all the opinions you want, but I don't have to like you or be your friend.

[@lambertar]

@@drakewarnock1239 "I respect everyone, but if you're black we can't be friend 😂" Same energy 😅

[@drakewarnock1239]

@@lambertar You know. You're right. I apologize. Clearly making a joke about how I really like the SaGa series was taking things a step too far and has put me on the same level as racists. Thank you for making me see the light.

[@lambertar]

@@drakewarnock1239 I love how dramatic and defensive everyone gets on social media 😅. I don't think you're a racist and I don't have any issue with you liking Saga nor with Taylor hating it 😅. I wish you a great day.

[@klissattack]

Its certainly not for everyone but "worst of all time" is a bit much. Thats like me calling the 2K sports games the worst of all time. Do i hate them, absolutely. Does a group enjoy them and i shouldnt shit on peoples likes, also true

[@ataridc]

More specifically its like saying "Madden games are terrible because i hate football." He just doesn't like the style of game saga is which is his opinion, but calling it the worst because you don't get it is weird. I dont like mobas and to me league would be a terrible experience, thats why I dont play them. I think the video would have been better if he focused on one title and thoroughly played it and did an in depth critique. That would be far more interesting than rapid fire dabbling with each game.

[@klissattack]

Agreed

[@Biggs253]

Off topic but I used to like the NFL 2k games better than madden in ther early 2000s

[@klissattack]

Early 2000s was when they actually put effort into the games so that's understandable

[@Pichuscute]

Surprisingly low quality content here, yikes.

[@lucasjensenusa]

Imagine not knowing that manuals existed.

[@TheGamingShelf]

Imagine playing digital versions that don’t have manuals.

[@GregRJohnson736]

Imagine playing a game that requires reading manuals and walkthroughs because they couldn't be bothered to make the game playable without them.

[@LeonardoBramante]

@@GregRJohnson736 That's pretty much a lot of older gaming though. You read the manual to know how to do stuff because you were expected to read them, it was common knowledge that you don't know anything, read the manual to know how to do stuff. Remember this stuff was released back during when game manuals were incredibly common, and they only became uncommon once the PS3 era hit. Prior to that EVERY game had an instruction manual.

[@GregRJohnson736]

@@LeonardoBramante I have played a ton of JPRGs in my life, old and new. Not one did I need to read a manual for anything. I have gotten stuck occasionally and needed to look at walkthroughs, especially in some of the older JPGs like FF1 etc, but that's just bad old game design on really old JRPGs on the NES. No good game from SNES or PS1 era onwards did ever need to look at a manual.

[@LeonardoBramante]

@@GregRJohnson736 Tell that to a lot of the people I had to teach things to because they didn't read the manual. I had to teach my cousins how to store items in FF4, how the combat worked in Secret of Mana, how to do extend the bar to do combos in Legend of Legaia. Things they would have known if they hadn't have skipped the tutorials and read the damned manual.

[@TyreeseTheAscendedOne]

Romancing saga 2 and 3 were the two games I loved the most

[@T-iiffany]

A-are you ok? i don't think it's skill issue... I think you have brain damage 😭

[@PaulB-ly5kx]

You made the games sound alot worse than they are. Nothing wrong if you don’t enjoy them but you shouldn’t put off others from trying it. These games are meant for people who like difficult games that don’t explain everything and let you discover things for yourself. Seems like you’re too used to modern easy RPG that hold your hand like Persona

[@bioboost12]

Well...he did say he got lost playing ff 4 and those games tell you basically what to do every step of the way. My first was r3 and loved it. Took me a bit to get used to it but changing formations, team attacks and figuring how you had to kill the 4 fiends or whatever was so fun...and then you fight their stronger versions.

[@hezlonway100]

nah man persona is too much for him, he wouldn't survive p1 and the p2 duology

[@alexpage4355]

@@hezlonway100 To be fair, when people reference the Persona franchise, they usually don't mean those games. P1 & 2 might as well be their own spin-off sub-series... as if keeping track of the MegTen franchise wasn't confusing enough, already.

[@666gothikus]

I hate to say it but... Skill issue!!

[@ActionGamerAaron]

100% true.

[@nc4125]

Saga frontier was amazing, the leveling and party system were great

[@ataridc]

It's really bizarre to see a guy review 1-2 hours of a series and call it the worst. No, it just wasn't for you and you forced yourself to keep playing. That's like me saying Madden is the worst sports series of all time because I don't like football sports games. Saga is just weird and does its own thing.

[@metastase895]

I still consider Romancing SaGa 3 my favorite SNES JRPG (and one of my favorites of all time really) and I replay it regularly. Sou much fun when you dont have the attention of an amoeba. I recommend you to go back to Fortnite and Call of Duty. Also, Legend of Legacy and Alliance Alive are technically SaGa games too.

[@ancientrunekrp6895]

you cant be serious about this

[@jorgebermudez7861]

You didn't play them all the way to the end. Just playing the beginning of each game doesn't cut it. Also, you can't say to people "don't play this game" because what you're doing is imposing your views on others, and you're not the target audience of these games, but some people are.

[@retroislandboy9708]

This is very typical ....not finishing a game and then doing a "review" which is 20 mins bashing it because you know very little about it . and telling someone not to play it lol

[@castler7272]

You didn't really play the games.

[@BareKnuckleRoo]

> tasteless clickbait title > "I didn't know what to do because I'm impatient and don't read so I resorted to a guide within 5 minutes of playing" > Don't Recommend Channel, "We won't recommend videos from this channel to you again" 🥰

[@ricardoalbertoguevarapozos4550]

not only did you rush the video and playing the games but also reading the damn guides for every game system bc u could have foreseen the guild party member and plan accordingly. u keep repeating poor design but really it's a bit unfair as it was pretty common to go to any damn town and talk to everybody, at least twice, to know where to go you know, and this has been like forever...

[@N3rd_House]

The SaGa series is a very very VERY niche franchise. It scratches a very particular itch for some people, and does it very well. It's just not for everyone. SaGa Frontier and Romancing SaGa 3 imo are the best ones.

[@saintsea-hat7891]

The people it is for, though, are insufferable if you dare complain about their beloved franchise.

[@lambertar]

@@saintsea-hat7891 Like most fandom I would think. Someone disliking what someone else love doesn't take any value from it 😅. People think their whole identity is under attack. I love Natural Doctrine and people hate it 🤷‍♂️.

[@tepandflash5950]

Unlimited SaGa is the best one.

[@amurter19]

I'm watching a long so far despite having a relatively positive opinion when it comes to SaGa just to see where you're coming from. Can't say for sure anymore but I think the Gameboy games would expect you to check the instruction manual which might make things a bit clearer? Hard to say now, cause I don't think the modern collection includes it. But I always give old games leeway in that regard.

[@Szadek23]

Yeah, lots of older game have no tutorials as they want you to read the manuel. It just wasn't the standdard at the time and storage space was also a big issue back then.

[@amurter19]

For Romancing Saga 2 iirc you don't have to recruit a thief to continue your quest. You go to the town after meeting with the thieves guild and the one you met is hanging out in town. Talk to them, and they scout ahead and leave their daggers on the floor pointing to the way to avoid danger and get to your goal. Whenever I actually hit a hard requirement, I think the intent is to come back with you next king and party, not necessarily kill of one of your guys.

[@amurter19]

For Emerald Beyond I too was a bit worried after the Switch demo. It was a bit linear and the combat seemed different and less intuitive. That said, yeah the demo is just like that. They took away random battles and more options. Ameya herself has a weird thing where her campaign can end rather abruptly. There's 27 worlds and you get a lot of free choice with the characters on what to do. The battle system itself is really interesting when you learn what it's about and how it works. It's mostly 'Scarlet Grace with more options' to me.

[@StormWHM]

You should check out "Sequelitis - Mega Man Classic vs. Mega Man X". Your comment reminded my of this. It's hilarious. Basically, talks about teaching players with game design.

[@StormWHM]

You should check out "Sequelitis - Mega Man Classic vs. Mega Man X". Your comment reminded my of this. It's hilarious. Basically, talks about teaching players with game design.

[@Aioba3846]

How should I put it... While I do respect that opinion was based on personal playthrough of the series (however I honestly disagree in more ways than one), calling it the worst series of all time is a really heavy claim to make, one I believe you don't realize the weight of as of yet. Now, please excuse me incongruously laughing in the corner. Pfft... Pffhahahahahahaha!

[@username-rz7ew]

Of course he doesn't realize it. Dude was stupid enough to get filtered by the gameboy games that literal 10 year olds were able to figure out and beat.

[@PizzaDog92]

Rather bold to say this when the Hyperdimension series exist.

[@robinnewhouse1563]

Enjoy and neptunia aren't to things that go together, it's the most boring, basic and questionable title out there 😂​@@martinde-serres8724

[@R3GARnator]

Kemko tho, shovel-ware.

[@CassiusZedaker-pr7kc]

@@martinde-serres8724 I like Neptunia.

[@R.Williams]

​@@R3GARnator There are some ok Kemco games. Masterpieces? Far from it but enjoyable nonetheless.

[@LowResLeafa]

Lol no.

[@johnnysavior4538]

The one thing I always complained about classic FF works is how linear they are. Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 literally gave what I asked for, its great. Maybe commit more to the games you play because its easy to get tost in these kind of games if you play with Discord con the side.Its not that hard and definetively not the worst JRPGs series that exist. God I hate zoomers.

[@supermariosunshine64]

Those are not Kemco RPGs

[@TitaRussellTrails]

yeah they have more than 2 boss themes

[@ataridc]

Kemco games are honestlty passable if you play one like every 10 years. They do tiny little iterations each game so they compound over the years. I played exe creates ruinverse and had some fun but got bored before finishing. And I beat one by hitpoint I think it was called monster viator. I mean they are what they are assembly line cellphone jrpgs with nostalgic graphics. Id never call them great by any means but they're not bottom of the barrel.

[@TitaRussellTrails]

@@ataridc I've played plenty of Kemco games (for better or for worse) generally you're best hope is a 5 out of 10 with a neat idea thrown in there. On occasion you'll get something genuinely great like Justice Chronicles but don't hold your breath

[@lasangneseng5113]

​@@TitaRussellTrails my first kemco games are silver nornir its not great just decent enough to get my interest till finish it

[@ataridc]

@@TitaRussellTrails yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying some are around 5ish games. it's a shame because the idea of a company pumping out retro style rpgs on a steady basis sounds like a great thing, but then you realize a lot of the games are practically just reskins.

[@MisterYodaSmith]

Dude, finish the games. If you're going to be a reviewer, accept the fact that you're going to have to spend time playing games to the finish. There is no middle ground here.

[@futhum]

Thank for the engagement bait. You just earned an unsubcribe.

[@heraditestreamingarchive1100]

One of my favorite things from Final Fantasy Legend II is for a large portion of the game, if you wipe, you get brought back to life by an NPC. At some point you find the NPC and face him in a boss battle and kill him. Once he's gone, you wipe, it's game over. I really liked that game. Wasn't as big of a fan of the other two Legend games.

[@TheTateful]

ODIN!

[@kgrayman]

Weird cuz I actually find Saga Frontier not that hard and the best one out of all the Saga

[@kgrayman]

The Saga series won't hold your hand and tell you anything which could either a good or bad thing depending on what kind of gamer you are

[@hofurances]

yeah. I love it

[@bioboost12]

I just beat it recently. Such good battle music.

[@kieragard]

I beat frontier with every character but the actress🤣 but it felt bad and cheap. It was like silly stories my brother and i came up with when we were 8.

[@tepandflash5950]

Unlimited is the best

[@lildan169]

The SaGa games are incredible. One of the only truly original RPG series in the genre that don't chase common gaming trends and actually give agency to the player. They're not for everyone, but they're all about choosing your adventure. Essentially open world RPGs.

[@makorix1]

13:00 is what happens when you don't know how to use a compass 😂

[@DukeKorcassen]

Your ass getting filtered by every game within an hour doesn't make these games bad, it just makes you someone who doesn't actually like thinking about games you play. But I guess some people love putting how vapid they are on full display. Good for you, I guess?

[@klissattack]

Right! "This game had a level up system like FF2" No.... all the games did (except Saga 3, I think) you just didn't get far enough in them to increase your skills

[@shaleko]

Safe to say modern gamers are too coddled to play gameboy games. Which is a really wild sentence

[@jeremyhall2727]

He got lost in the PS1 versions too

[@AnaverdGaiden]

Yeah, any game that requires actual effort is too much for a lot of people. It's really sad.

[@billmore6486]

We all have very big brains for playing sagas series

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

No matter how you cut it, these games are not well put together. I grew up with them and I still know they aren’t good.

[@AnaverdGaiden]

@@turnbasedtoddy7664 Are you specifically referring to the Game Boy games or the whole franchise?

[@dreezy2085]

Thank you algorithm ,I know to never watch another video from this channel. I'm not a fan of this series either but yuck.

[@LukeTSManager]

Way too much of this just screams "I can not be bothered to read a manual".

[@VanMichael21]

This video should be titled "JRPGs that are not immaculately perfect throughout the entire game" So yeah this video is just basically about a guy complaining about games where whenever he hits a roadblock and gets stuck or when something gets a little too confusing for him, he quits and calls it worst JRPGs. Lol.

[@Shifty1897]

Just say you hate nonlinear games.

[@demilembias2527]

whenever people say that relatively mainstream games they like, like the SaGa series, "filter" people, I'm always a little skeptical and wonder if they aren't just overstating how niche their interests really are. I mean, sure, some of the SaGa games are odd and experimental, and the real crowd-pleasing masterpieces for the SuFami never got localized until way later, but these are still pretty conventionally solid games with obviously well-crafted aspects and a vision its hard to deny, right? I've never seen a man get filtered so hard in my entire life. Legitimately had to read the comments to realize he wasn't trolling lmfao

[@Rotinaj37]

This is rough to watch man.

[@Mamba219]

I like these games precisely because they don't hold my hand. It's fun to make mistakes, get punished, then pick myself up and try again. It's the same appeal a genre like roguelikes have.

[@harlequin0823]

Weird... it's almost like reading the manuals would have made a huge difference with your experiences. So reading manuals for games released in an era where the manuals meant something, makes games bad and unintuitive. Got it. So you grew up primarily when manuals were far less necessary. If not, this video is completely off-putting. And as a response to your early statement... no I don't agree with this being the worst. Do I like them? Not so much. Played a few of these in my time.

[@saintsea-hat7891]

It’s a game in a genre where story is really important, the fact that you basically need a guide to engage with them at all is bad game design

[@Unquestionable]

The manuals help but are by no means necessary. As a child I absolutely bodied FFL1/2/3 without them, if anything what they offer best is a list of equipment stats (which can be easily figured out in game just by paying attention as you swap them), he just doesn't have the kind of patience required to do even the bare minimum.

[@harlequin0823]

@@saintsea-hat7891 I can see you are unaware that times have changed since the early days of gaming. This "design" you speak of is due to the fact they have been iterating on game design for a long time. That's how we are at what you are referring to today.

[@AnaverdGaiden]

Woah woah woah, what a terrible take. You're really dissing Romancing SaGa 3? Even if the other games have issues, they're super innovative and have incredible soundtracks, visuals, and character designs.

[@hosankojanky4623]

This dude is wild... he didn't even dive into mechanics, story, anything. Just a cash grab bs video.

[@carlos-x1z3p]

I actually like Unlimited SaGa. It's one of the most original JRPGs I've ever played.

[@Hotsaucedeluxe]

The Gameboy SAGA games are good.

[@acidwizard6528]

For their time they were definitely good.

[@RipVanWinkleXX]

I love the world in Saga Gameboys. I'm still in the first game, but the world is just so weird. Every level of the tower is a wtf is this? One level of the tower has both hell and heaven. Where in hell everyone is a slave forced to do labor and in heaven everyone is lazy bums.

[@VariantNYC]

idk about the first one, but ffl2 and 3 were great games for the time

[@TheTateful]

The third one was so good, dude even ranked it twice at the end, and entirely forgot that the first one existed.

[@jeremyhall2727]

Some old school hard RPGs. For that time period.. it was blazing. If you like hardish old RPGs.. then yeah 👍🏾 check it out.

[@AnthroLizard]

So your whole thing is "I can't read and therefore I hate these games"? That is not even an opinion, this is just ignoring everything the game blatantly tells you and blaming the game for it. This channel will be ignored in the future and I hate the youtube algorithm for suggesting it to me.

[@Satiator123]

Final Fantasy Legend 3 was epic on the Gameboy back when it released! Did you, by any chance, not have the manuals when you played the trilogy?

[@TheTateful]

The manuals are literally included in the Collection on which he played the games, if I recall correctly. Even if they aren't, dude couldn't even be bothered to Google it right quick.

[@Unquestionable]

Even without the manuals taking like ten minutes to figure out a mechanic just isn't conductive to his level of patience. Very much comes off like a soul less content farm.

[@Alpaconcio]

man, you are literally saying that you did not pass the tutorial or you simply did not want to advance from the initial areas of the SaGa sagas, and also if you died you went to another route to see if it was less "difficult", if you want to give your opinion at least finish a SaGa, so that you have a minimal idea of ​​what you want to say, in addition to the fact that SaGa is one of the pillars of all square enix, and that they have made this unfounded criticism of each saga, it only leaves you as a person who is conformist with rpgs current, who does not want to experience something new, which has been evolving and improving over time.

[@nichoudha]

Wow, I have never been a part of the crowd that makes negative Gen Z / Millennial stereotypes, but you sure make me reconsider after watching your entire video. I can't believe that you clearly weren't intelligent enough to understand that the older games had manuals. Like, wow. Wow....

[@terderrer]

ok not gonna lie, not sure if this was a click bait video, or if you really just didnt understand the concept of these games, but it just overall felt like a bad take.

[@Ghosthitman387]

I played a few SaGas and realized really quickly this series isn’t for me. The only one I remotely enjoyed was SaGa Frontier 2 because I liked the setting and characters.

[@GentlemenofAction]

I'm similar in that regard. I played saga frontier 2 before all the others. I also like RS 1: Minstrel Song. The games are so super niche, I can fully understand why people would detest them

[@numenume3079]

You forgot about "The Last Remnant", not SaGa in name but in play style. Also, I think the series is just too hard for you, but that's normal because I'd consider it too hard for most people because it requires a bit more thinking than what most people are used to and it's a series about failing and learning from your mistakes instead of just overgrinding. Also, Neptunia and a lot of other IF and CompH games exist, like Agarest, so you really need to broaden your JRPG list a bit more cuz many of those games are REALLY bad outside the fanservice.

[@GriffcaTobeeVT]

"The menus are vague and don't really tell you" That's what the instructional book was for. It had all that in it.

[@financeoholic]

Imagine judging games from 1990s using 2024 standards instead of using 1990s standards.

[@n.b.2164]

This series is very niche. It's popular in Japan. They are frustrating games, but strangely charming in a strange sort of way.

[@famous75062]

It's definitely not the worst series😂. It's actually one of the best

[@gauche7249]

Lmfao "Its archaic". No my guy, it's original. This is where jrpgs come from. You comparing modern day quality of life changes vs the original game from 1989 cements that maybe you shouldn't be making videos about things you don't understand. Orders of operation guy. Games originally didn't hold your hand with tutorials. Older games like this were physical release only so the "tutorial" was the books that used to come with games. Please stop making videos outside your comfort zone.😂

[@IronbloodedRPGBadger]

Too bad for you, Nintendo Direct and Square Enix just released a trailer of Romancing SaGa 2: Revenge of the Seven, a full 3D remake of the original Romancing SaGa 2.

[@LeonardoBramante]

9th best selling Squaresoft game on the SNES. Incredibly unique mechanics, totally worth the remake. They're lowering the difficulty for it, but it'd probably still be too hard for him since he can't bother to interact with a game's mechanics.

[@IronbloodedRPGBadger]

@@LeonardoBramante I'm not going to make fun of him about it, but these mechanics-heavy games are not for everyone and that's fine. This just demonstrates that there IS an audience for them.

[@LeonardoBramante]

@@IronbloodedRPGBadger Oh I'm giving a statement. He could barely make it through 10 minutes to an hour of most of the franchise. He didn't give most of them a fair shot, so he likely wouldn't give the remake a fair shot either.

[@IronbloodedRPGBadger]

@@LeonardoBramante Yeah, I think he's being WAY overdramatic over this franchise, IMO.

[@s-wo8781]

Were you the same guy who reviewed that obscure JRPG with 1000 levels? I thought you said that was the worst JRPG.

[@RocketJSquirrel]

While I strongly disagree with his thesis statement for this video, he did qualify this was the worst "series." Not the worst JRPG period.

[@s-wo8781]

@@RocketJSquirrel He said Saga Unlimited was the worst JRPG he ever played.

[@StormWHM]

I'm pretty sure "series" falls on a technicality. Most companies would go bankrupt. Square just happens to be rich.

[@faidou9954]

...he says as i loved the shit out of Saga Frontier and Saga Emerald Beyond.

[@Raximus3000]

Could you elaborate because i have my eye on it?

[@executivedata7]

If 7yr old me can play through SaGa Frontier 2 with minimal issues then how is mans struggling this bad

[@blueythedragonknight3949]

As someone who is a fan of some of the games in this series, i can understand your frustrations with the obtuse and random elements of the games (Especially when it comes to leveling up and figuring out where to go next) and trust me it does get annoying at times, though i do like how many there are a variety of races in the game (Including robots and monsters) and how they are a part of the world. I can say that this sin't a series for anyone, Though i can safely assume that even hardcore SaGa fans don't like unlimited SaGa.

[@hafirenggayuda]

I think these kinda games were made with guide books/ tutorial manual in mind

[@sewaprolo]

I love Unlimited Saga. Very misunderstood game.

[@joaoguilherme8083]

Unlimited SaGa is a good game actually

[@sewaprolo]

@@joaoguilherme8083 it's great. I get it that it's not for everyone, but it's actually really good in many ways. It's definitely not for gamers used to modern jrpg fare, even at the time. It was very much inspired by older tabletop rpgs, which I personally love, and the game was stellar in that regard. Very underrated and misunderstood.

[@AvvilGarrant]

I genuinely love Unlimited SaGa.

[@OgretailFood]

16:15 I mean, that's one way to do it but you really didn't have to, the slime boss resists blunt attacks (and probably pierce) attacks but not slash attacks so you can easily spam Double Cut with spell support from Gerard or the mage you can get as soon as Gerard becomes the party leader... when you're not healing every turn or so because that electric attack is nasty. Romancing SaGa 2 is my favorite game btw.

[@TheTateful]

Now I''m picturing him trying to spread jelly on his PB&J with a hammer, and blaming the bread that it's not working out.

[@kamenriderovant9676]

Saga series is like an MMORPG without the online. There is so much freedom and each character has a goal. Focus on the goal, but do whatever you want and have an "adventure" is the medium.

[@hitmangfx7162]

I WANT to love this series so much, but it's like that weird kid that sets things on fire whenever you try to be nice to them. You have to ask yourself if the risk is worth the reward.

[@slowpoke8585]

"So many bad games are already covered on KZbin! Ooh! How about these!?"