Greenwood & Tindall PREDICT Leinster vs Toulouse, The Premiership & Jonny May Returns!

Alex, Tins and Will Greenwood are together to discuss the Investec Champions Cup Final between Toulouse and Leinster - but why has Will got his guns out?
They discuss where the game will be won and lost, who has a bigger point to prove and which team is like a Ferrari.
The guys also speak to Jonny May ahead of his final game for Gloucester in the Challenge Cup Final and find time to chat about mohawks and whether a stretching area has been named after him yet at Kingsholm. They also give their verdict on the final round of the Premiership regular season.
Season 4 is sponsored by Continental Tyres.
0:01 - Show Starts
4:15 - Last week's show
11:38 - The Premiership
16:18 - Saracens
20:02 - Sale Sharks
23:33 - Bath
28:55 - Northampton
36:13 - Champions Cup Final - The 9's
41:01 - Leinster
44:50 - Who would you play for?
51:25 - Jonny May joins us
56:00 - Leaving Gloucester
59:20 - Make or Break?
1:06:25 - The Greatest Team
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0:01 - Show Starts 4:15 - Last week's show 11:38 - The Premiership 16:18 - Saracens 20:02 - Sale Sharks 23:33 - Bath 28:55 - Northampton 36:13 - Champions Cup Final - The 9's 41:01 - Leinster 44:50 - Who would you play for? 51:25 - Jonny May joins us 56:00 - Leaving Gloucester 59:20 - Make or Break? 1:06:25 - The Greatest Team

[@obioneconobi5845]

Great addition

[@johngarveyire]

Thought this would be about the Toulouse and Leinster game but not so much, banter banter banter , soccer , ... lost interest....

[@ashleyjennings5691]

Don't know if he reads this or if comments get passed to him but would just like to say a big thank you to Mike. He took the time to have a picture with my daughter at kingsholm on Sunday watching the women's. It was her first game at kingsholm which she loved and then when she got to have a picture with 2003 winner/Gloucester captain/royal made her day. It was her first season playing so thanks for making a memory within that

[@GoodBadRugby]

Will pass on 👌

[@user-vw7wh4zd1v]

Talking about Saudi Arabia progressing with regard to the treatment of citizens and 'morals' is laughable. Money talks. That's all it is - smoke and mirrors. 'My friend who runs Formula E says....' Yes, of course he does. FFS.

[@matthew3078]

Greenwood's argument makes no sense. True I've never been to Saudi, but I've also not been to Nazi Germany or Apartheid South Africa, but that doesnt mean I can't say with confidence that those were abhorrent regimes. But sure, trust the words of your rich white friends working in sport (courtesy of Saudi cash) over the words of the country's own people who are the ones actually suffering. How about, for balance, you bring someone on from Amnesty International to explain the situation? Given you dont feel qualified to talk on at as you're 'just a podcast'. That way, you can do the topic justice.

[@frankmcloughlin7076]

Couldn't agree more. I generally like Greenwood's take on rugby, however his utterances on Saudi were alarmingly simplistic....

[@bulltraderpt]

I spent nine months in Saudi Arabia, it's a hell hole if you are gay, a woman, a dog, a third world country person looking to send money back to your folks in India or Bangladesh and don't even be a maid out there as they have a habit of falling out of windows if they refuse their employers, or want to leave early. That's the problem with this podcast, they should stay in their lane or area of expertise and leave stuff they are ignorant about well alone.

[@barrygormley]

Will missing the irony of refering to those against sports washing as "throwing stones" there i think.

[@user-yq7tt3ii6h]

It's all well and good to call Toulouse "the best European team ever", but the fact is, this is only their second final in ten years and they have never beaten an English or Irish side in a final... It's Leinster's fifth final in ten and they put 80+ points on Toulouse in the last two seasons... all facts.

[@PB22559]

I hate to break it to you but the side with the most champions cups is the best side, end of story

[@davidwalker2402]

@@PB22559thats stupid ridiculous and you didn’t think what you were saying. Was the team who won the last soccer World Cup the best team or was the team who won the most world cups the best team 😂😂

[@PB22559]

@@davidwalker2402 Why the need to change sports. Stick on topic. Name a more successful side than Toulouse then? You can't. Until Leinster actually win more cups, they're not the best side in Europe. Now, get over yourself. Also, Toulouse have won the cup more recently than Leinster which further disproves your stance.

[@davidwalker2402]

@@PB22559 don’t be a clown Leinster hammered the shit out of Toulouse the last 2 years , and you believe Toulouse are better you’re ridiculous quit while you’re behind 🤣🤣🤣

[@MACCA0405]

Fact Ireland are the best international side in the world and Leinster the best club side ( despite the evidence)

[@krait9964]

I'm actually kind of glad Hask isn't in attendance. The comedic factor is down a bit but quality of the content is more compelling

[@conoroloughlin8249]

After listening to Tindell I'm more confident of a lenister win 💙💙💙💙💙😂💪🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠

[@FuturesTrader87]

As a Leinster fan sadly this current squad haven't done anything in champions cup. Some of the current best players have zero stars. If they win though I feel they go on a tear like they did at start when they did 3 in 4.

[@readesiun988]

Sharks are thrashing Gloucester

[@dermotdublin2521]

Thank you for mentioning TOR ,the amateur era had fabulous characters, RIP

[@chriswhite1417]

We get it: you will take money from anyone. You want to learn and explore nuance AFTER taking the money. It is a peculiar sort of high-minded venality. Tinds is positioning the discussion in the last podcast about Saudi money as if it was all hypothetical. There was nothing hypothetical about Tindall's toadying to "Fozz" and unedifying eagerness for a slice of the potential pie (which was being talked about as a very real possibility).

[@siorac69]

Indeed 2 european titans. A narrow result & a Toulouse win.

[@willsonj]

Getting Greenwood to talk about Saudi just dug the hole deeper. Because he lacks morals himself he can’t understand the justified criticism. He refutes the findings of global human rights organisations based upon testimony from his mates - who just so happen to benefit personally from the blood money - and are clearly being treated as special guests of the regime. I think it would be good for you to speak to a human rights expert on the show if you really are keen to "have a conversation" - and this wasn’t all just a cynical move to help out one of your chaps in defending Saudi.

[@Rosalicious297]

Oh careful, according to Tindall any criticism is being viewed by them as responses by “keyboard warriors”, the stock position of comfortably off, middle aged men who have never said an original thing in their lives. Instead let’s listen to the intellectual colossus that is Will Greenwood who knows a bloke who is apparently very moral and can’t say he’s seen anything untoward whilst being feted by the ruling elite. This is the same man who said that if he’d ever been offered $15m (as if) by the Saudi princes he would take it for the sake of his family, thereby demonstrating to his children that having money overrides EVERYTHING, the more excessive the better. But please, I’m just a lawyer who had read some horrendous reports from international human rights organizations, what do I know as I’ve have never actually been to Saudi Arabia, in the same way that I’ve never been to the Antarctic so how could I possibly claim it is cold there?

[@dulls8475]

Lets just enjoy the rugby and not have your political ideologies centre stage.

[@willsonj]

@@dulls8475 They were the ones who suggested Saudi investment in Rugby, and brought on their mate - who is employed by Saudi - to defend it. I enjoy Rugby partly because of the values it holds, covering up for a violent autocracy doesn’t meet those values.

[@dulls8475]

@@willsonj I enjoy the rugby. Its values are as transitory as anything else.

[@matthew3078]

​@@dulls8475it would be pretty difficult for anyone with a conscience to just 'enjoy the rugby' knowing the money comes from a murderous regime

[@brianmurray6287]

Leinster had a harder path to the final...maybe that counts for something.

[@jameswright9661]

Don't give Saudi everything!! Yes the prem has a lot to change Yes there needs to be more money But we love the "home grown" the personal touch. London Irish wasps and Worcester broke us as rugby fans but don't take the rest from us. I'd rather see bears vs Gloucester than quins vs chiefs in nz Rugby is a home grown thing let's keep it local don't let money win

[@JohnHirsch88]

I understand the eagerness to cash in and get the players paid what they deserve. Considering the physical risks they take compared to other sports (at least they're not in the UFC), they "should" get a hell of a lot more. For context let's say rugby is to soccer what MMA is to boxing. Soccer and boxing have been professional for over 100 years, while rugby and MMA only recently became professional sports, missing out on the big money from networks like Sky Sports that significantly benefited other similar smaller pro sports at the time like rugby league. Soccer and boxing still probably dwarf the others in terms of participation but at this stage are no less professional and dedicated. So I totally understand why these "lesser sports" would jump at nebulous investments when larger sports have already done so. Rugby players and MMA fighters endure hell for our entertainment, often with lifelong consequences. So I'm obviously not arguing that they don't deserve more financially. But speaking to my issue, it sucks to see rugby media figures-who I usually find intelligent, compassionate and insightful-so eager to align with countries notorious for human rights abuses. These countries oppress their citizens while their elites enjoy the perks of our society when convenient. I'm not saying the West's ideals or their implementation are perfect. Neo-liberalism controls their publics economically, and half the world through neo-colonialism with economics and worse. But at least we can rant on the internet in peace without fear of persecution 👀. And if Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods struggled to challenge the LIV Golf takeover, it shows the continued takeover through questionable investments is inevitable. All I can hope is that this continued sports and tourism investment is a fool's goldrush that doesn’t pay off. And while sports are hard to ignore, no one needs to go on holiday to Dubai. Now I've clarified everything? - I just want to say frustrating to see the rugby content I listen to filled with wannabe businessmen framing their involvement or compliance as "looking after the players" when it’s really about looking after themselves and ignoring human rights. The insidious nature of these investments will continue, as will turning a blind eye to human rights abuses for profit.

[@JohnHirsch88]

And to act like special media gurus employed by shady investment funds are the only ones who understand how to grow the game is crazy. The steps to grow the game are obvious; the massive loss/continued investment is not - please be more clear about that

[@IronCross666]

you poms crack me up sometimes 🤣🤣🤣. This show suck balls

[@Stereo_mike]

Ramos has missed some important kicks too. Ross Byrnes kicking is 88% this season. Clearly will has only watched the last Leinster match. Leinster are a Mercedes and Toulouse are a Ferrari but Italian cars break down and have terrible build quality

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

Then it is the driver's fault.😁

[@GoodBadRugby]

Who wins this weekend? Toulouse or Leinster? 👀

[@kropotkine9640]

Toulouse 🔴⚫

[@bengrice5523]

Toulouse

[@user-yq7tt3ii6h]

💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@hughbeckett996]

Leinster

[@fabiennebelin7892]

STADE TOULOUSAIN

[@jakesmart7332]

Is Hask left the show

[@Sineadmcd]

Munster are URC champions I think everyone forgets

[@JON-sm2wk]

Great insight from greenwood on the prem

[@christytherleigh4973]

Bournemouth 7s 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@user-lm2wz5qf5o]

Premiership has no choice dying slowly & not reinventing its brand or helping teams means money will come flooding in. Should have got Barry & Eddie Hearn in to help

[@sharronemery9740]

Great podcast, Me Greenwood very knowledgeable and you all dealt with some of the unsavoury comments from last week’s program

[@adamthomas-brown8224]

Will saying he wouldn’t “stone” Saudi doesn’t help the general tone deafness unfortunately. It’s a knotty question ethically and needs both sides explained in full, perhaps doing a follow up with how to grow rugby keeping the core values intact makes sense?

[@benrawson007]

If Saudi money came knocking, everyone here would jump, including rugby and it's stars.

[@mattwells3818]

Volvo beat Ferrari.

[@Kenny-zn6dl]

Alex you're deluded, "throw in Ireland at Twickenham ", last kick of the game and England's first win over the irish in three or four years.

[@nogamenolife705]

People forget a lot of rugby players are raised in richer households and private schools. I don't think I would listen to their opinions on human rights abuses. Money is simply god for most people and fair play for admitting it. Its only human really.

[@garethmaybury5218]

Why the hell are you talking about football on a rugby pod? Sigh. Please, don't.

[@davidwalker2402]

The English just cannot stomach just how good the Irish team is but we shall see on Saturday. Coming from two failed pundits guess im glad they didn’t pick Leinster..

[@frankmcloughlin7076]

They are also World Cup winners, unlike some...

[@davidwalker2402]

@@frankmcloughlin7076 it doesn’t make them good pundits 🤣🤣

[@sonyjim3597]

Bottled last two finals and the word cup quarters shows just how good u are I guess. We will see this Saturday if ur able to win a big knockout game. Until then pipe down

[@davidwalker2402]

@@sonyjim3597 idiot, they never played in the World Cup thats the privilege of countries. They have won 4 champions cups and played in more finals and semi finals than any other teams , they didn’t bottle anything they were beaten by a better team. It must be hard to swallow for some clown that have nothing to shout about so they resorts to knocking others…

[@patrickchilds2987]

So Tindell and Greenwood are failed pundits and you’re upset because they fancy Toulouse over Leinster in the final and you interpret that as the English not accepting how good Irish teams are. So what if they do fancy Toulouse ? Go and have a good sook and a cry about it and then grow a spine. It’s pathetic