WAAAAAAGH! Also JUSTICE FOR SAVAGE ORCS -.- seriously though Orcs seem great now :)
@williamtheuns32318 ай бұрын
This is the one I’ve been looking forward too! I’m doing a heavy forest goblin army (I have a unit of savage orcs and an orc warboss legally speaking)
@shadowturtleyinyang8 ай бұрын
my guess is that savage orcs will be arcane journal army
@grimshwiz8 ай бұрын
Savage orcs are basically now just an upgrade for the orc mobs (warpaint is I believe the upgrade). There is no individual unit for them now. I would imagine the term Savage Orc could be misconstrued to be racist, like the name change from spear chukka to bolt thrower.
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
You didn't explain Weirdboys but guess Weirdboys=Orc shaman?
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Yup@@Lassemalten
@christoffermonikander22008 ай бұрын
Wolf Riders are core. That means a full Gobbo Khan list would be viable. Nice.
@plasmapanasonic47418 ай бұрын
I came to this video just for this. Thanks brah
@Kothag8 ай бұрын
I suspect that when the arcane journal for Greenskins comes out that there will be armies of infamy list that will support the subfactions like Savage Orcs and Night Goblins better than the Grand Army list does currently.
@Xomitsious8 ай бұрын
I think so too
@Tigerheart018 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Not that GW has a stellar track record for caring what other people have already collected (about 50/50), but there's PLENTY of people who still have Night Goblin armies...
@jacobbjelgart19008 ай бұрын
I would guess that they go another way altogether. I think that they will do a mountains list: focus on orcs and night goblins, with less cavalry but ambushy special rules. And a second "wilds" list focus on monsters, savages and forest goblins, with limits on night goblins and black orcs
@Edwoodb38 ай бұрын
I hope so, that would be a relief. I'm halfway through my first Night Goblins regiment and I was hoping I'd be able to have a Night Gobbo themed army.
@Xomitsious8 ай бұрын
It's worth pointing out that there's a lot of flexibility there. I think you can have one unit as skirmishers and also one unit of each core can get a magic banner. We used to be able to have them back in 4th-5th edition but not since.
@ellienixon34378 ай бұрын
Really happy you’re doing these videos, they’ve been great! Can’t wait to hear about the wood elves!
@DamBrooks5 ай бұрын
What are you talking about, Welfs are disgusting and I am offended that you would mention them when you should be paying attention to the Orcs….
@lukerobinson50708 ай бұрын
Nice little video. The one I've been waiting for. When I started playing Warhammer I always played Fark elves and my brother had a big orc and goblin army. Eventually I built a big night goblin army so looking forward to getting them all back on the table to try the new rules .
@Coerciveutopian8 ай бұрын
My first introduction to WHFB I played orcs&goblins and my entire army blew itself up / killed each other before my opponent's first turn . Somehow I was hooked.
@markimusmaximus78708 ай бұрын
As long as they had a good scrap that's the main thing
@hansgerman34378 ай бұрын
Glad to see, that a Black Orc list is now possible. Was a pain in the bum with the Limit back then.
@georgesutherlandhoward44178 ай бұрын
This is my big takeaway from this video. I'm *so* excited to make an army of orcs who are consummate professionals.
@LordMacragge318 ай бұрын
Something you missed is you can take 2 savage orc chariots now, which adds some extra points and a new datasheet that didnt happen before
@giggabyte64138 ай бұрын
No animosity for me is a con, I loved animosity, it was so fun, and will still be doing it during my own games.
@SteffPT7 ай бұрын
It’s not so funny actually… soooo much restrictions for strategy purposes, and at some point it’s not so funny
@alwoodsmodellingmayhem8 ай бұрын
This is another faction I am keen to put together with pump wagons and Doom Divers, so much fun!!!😂😂Painting Night Goblins whilst watching this (OK, they are Gloomspite Gitz but.....🤫) Thanks for sharing this, very much appreciated.👍👍Subbed.
@sarico78277 ай бұрын
OMG YES SPIDERS are back! I still have some of my orcs og black orcs and I had a full goblins army woohoo!
@treydudley79668 ай бұрын
I don’t mind the restriction on savage orcs when those frenzied units are so good. The frenzied chariot can have +5 extra attacks from crew+boars and gets a 6+ ward on top of its 4+ base save as a chariot. Wild stuff for such a good price.
@sarahhillary76988 ай бұрын
Savage Orcs will probably be available as a variant army list when the Orc and Goblin Arcane Journal comes out. Also no Night Goblin Fanatics? Or do they come as a upgrade choice for Night Goblin mobs?
@blastbeatpie32398 ай бұрын
Fanatics are an upgrade like they always were, along with netters :)
@Clidefride0078 ай бұрын
I think the savage orc list is something that could be a house rule. Its not like orc are particularly OP, so i dont see an issue with ignoring some of the restrictions and going with the rule of cool.
@bennconner11958 ай бұрын
My favourite faction looking forward to their model range coming back. Hopefully we get a new wavern model. I don’t remember big un’s getting armour bane if previous editions. It was just a +1 in strength.
@redcossack39438 ай бұрын
I really needed a good summary of what to expect with the boyz in new version, you gave me just what I wanted. Thanks!
@johnbailey85678 ай бұрын
Definitely hoping for night goblin support. Want squigs and grotz!!!
@Coerciveutopian8 ай бұрын
Ok, but will I still be able to bring my full snotling army? "Because we can"?
@timothyharnedy44958 ай бұрын
I think Savage Orcs will be an army of infamy, because then they will be able to bring in some restrictions on things like war machines, etc, as part of that list.
@ianshannon57898 ай бұрын
I am looking forward to seeing the full rules for night goblins.
@blastbeatpie32398 ай бұрын
Thank you, I think this is the only faction focus I have seen for the Greenskins, everyone seems to be ignoring them 😢
@allancarey26048 ай бұрын
You know….given that it’s a points based upgrade, I’m happy to house rule the savage orc issue away…..my savage army theme will end up having forest goblin models with river trolls in the mix
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm using a house rule for bat reps cos I have 150 Savage Orcs I intend to use lol
@danneviromega33898 ай бұрын
the savage orcs confirm it, the non core factions are the ones with minis from fantasy that are sold in AoS, and GW don't want to sell twice in diferent boxes, because savage orcs minis are still part of the orruk warclans in AoS
@nraketh8 ай бұрын
Which makes zero sense to me. Why do they not want the extra sales?
@danneviromega33898 ай бұрын
maybe so they don't have to sell twice of the same thing, but with different quantity and different bases. I guess that buying the larger OW boxes would be cheaper than the AoS ones @@nraketh
@stevenfletcher34118 ай бұрын
@@nraketh They want people to buy an AOS army and an Old World army probably.
@ClydeMillerWynant8 ай бұрын
But Orcs and Goblins are a core faction and you can field Savage Orcs and Night Goblins...
@CDMJDMHHC8 ай бұрын
lol who gives a dam GW wants, with their prices? they can get bent!
@robertreid92568 ай бұрын
I didn't hear my favorite unit mentioned Goblin Fanatics. Are they still around? Also I loved Animosity I rolled spectacularly poor, and my whole army either was arguing or fighting itself. I loved it.
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
That's because Fanatics aren't a unit they are an upgrade for Night Goblin units :) same as netters
@T3koner7 ай бұрын
Oh yes just bought my army along w movement trays for 30x30mm using the really nice avatar of war greenskin minis.. lotss of black orc boyz and bosses 😊
@Le-cp9tr8 ай бұрын
I am hoping for Forest goblin army of infamy
@KaajTheDuck8 ай бұрын
Aww no pump wagon, was the first model i ever got.
@thelittlestgiant8 ай бұрын
If I just want to spam as many black orcs as I can, how much of my army could actually be black orcs now? What even is the standard point value match? •Black orc warboss as general •Black orc big bosses to fill the rest of the leftover “character” slots •1 black orc mob for your “core” (which probably wouldn’t cost 25% of your army value?) •As many black orc mobs as possible up to 50% of your army cost for “special.” Without knowing the points costs or having access to the book it’s nearly impossible for me to figure out what models to actually try and collect to try out the game. I have know a local guy who’s got a lot of black orcs to trade though and I’m thinking that may be the easiest/cheapest way I could try my first army. Would you be able to help me with these questions? Just how many black orc models can I squeeze into one standard point value army? 😅
@brucelim85748 ай бұрын
Awesome work looking forward to seeing more
@DamBrooks5 ай бұрын
Animosity is still alive and kicking, pun not intended, you just have to play the Orc team in Blood Bowl and just when you think “All I need to do now is pass the ball to my well positioned Blitzer who then has to roll a 3+ with a reroll spare run it in and victory is mine all mine!!! Almost certainly animosity shows up again to prove that although you may think you have thought everything through Nuffle is there to remind you that you are playing their game. 😂😂😂
@akoni638 ай бұрын
Soooooo a Snotling army is possible and legal?!?
@Ignatiusofantioch878 ай бұрын
Literally just started looking for this this morning. Hoping goblins are playable 🤞
@GaryP3368 ай бұрын
You can actually get a full savage orc army. Because you can get savage orc chariots now...in units of up to 3. 0-1 per thousand.
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Savage Orc chariots literally goes against all established lore for them I rather not
@armandofierro84338 ай бұрын
The savage orcs are a upgrade for the orcs mobs
@mcyolicjones90818 ай бұрын
Looks like Orcs have a little more bite. I like it.
@Dementat7 ай бұрын
Savage Orcs seem more than possible. Anyone running units of less than 10Boar Boys or 20 Infantry is asking for trouble. 2k is easily hit with a mob of 30 Savage Orc, 2 mobs of 10-15 SO Boar Boys and either a second big combat mob or aob of 20 with bows.
@poxous38548 ай бұрын
Honestly are you really running more than 2 Savage infantry units? Also, you can run savage archers and not having frenzy would be helpful.
@sarahmathews23228 ай бұрын
I have a Armies on Parade winning full savage orc army with lots of conversions. This is sadness. Lets hope for the arcane journal :(
@OldWitchDoctor8 ай бұрын
I see some units have moved categories since last time I played fantasy. But this looks pretty ok
@totalwardad8 ай бұрын
Funny they went with the Weirdnob names. Are those supposed to be the Savage Orcs? Or are they not included because they're going to be coming with shiny new models in AoS? :)
@bww338 ай бұрын
6th edition was, IMO, the best edition they had - and it feels like this is a continuation of that, pretending that 7th/8th didnt happen.
@jasonbryden82188 ай бұрын
The question I have is whether or not AoS models can be used for Old World if we don't have access to the old stuff.... or whether we should wait to see if they release Orcs FOR Old World
@respectfulevil90227 ай бұрын
Their bringing back old models for every faction
@kendozero18618 ай бұрын
No Foot!!!??
@bobolegentil90268 ай бұрын
hum, what about my forest goblins army!!!
@evil7ash8 ай бұрын
Any limits on Big Un units ?
@geeksworkshop8 ай бұрын
What do you mean by, You are getting the memes? Is it like getting the Smurfs?
@SuRpriiZeGaming7 ай бұрын
Where do you find the rules and points cost
@bennyboy53748 ай бұрын
How will magic work, if I have 3 goblin shamans can I then have 3 of Morks curse out in play at the same time?
@cteague49888 ай бұрын
Bring back Ruglud’s and I’m back in!
@fdelatower7 ай бұрын
Impetuos is not a contra?
@schizeinbornheim77328 ай бұрын
No snotling pump wagon 😢 ?
@CDMJDMHHC8 ай бұрын
a savage orc army just can not have armor so what is the restriction what did I miss?
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
Sounded on him as you can give warpaints to Black orcs now as well. If you listen to 7:40-7:47 when he talks about warpaint
@CDMJDMHHC8 ай бұрын
I wondered what I missed but can I have units and characters without armor light or heavy to include monsters. thank you @@Lassemalten
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
@@CDMJDMHHC War paint don't limit your monsters if that's what you meant? You can have light/heavy armor on those models that don't have war paint.
@CDMJDMHHC8 ай бұрын
@@Lassemalten my savage Orc army list is missing light armor or heavy armor wargear/equipment or upgrades then everything is OK.
@melkhiordarkfell43548 ай бұрын
Am I crazy or are there no Goblin Lord options?
@Deadknight678 ай бұрын
I hope Orcs will be better than before because Dwarves have always been favored by GW and insane strong while the Orcs where rather bad. Hopefully Orcs can be played not EXCLUSIVELY for the Lulz.
@rambojohn45388 ай бұрын
😍😍😍 Thx
@jlozano26158 ай бұрын
I’m sure the reason there’s a heavy bias toward Night Goblins is because that’s all you can get from GW right now if you want to play goblins.
@jpf3388 ай бұрын
No animosity:/
@jolamber8 ай бұрын
Hey Nathan when's the first battle report?
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Soon! I'm gonna show you guys the studio before that! It's been a work in progress which has been.. eventful. Always make sure the electrics are off before drilling by the way 🤣
@monocerotis69178 ай бұрын
I hope its coming new Orc bosses and New Wolfes to goblins or chariots =)
@chetmanley18858 ай бұрын
Goblins already have new wolves
@monocerotis69178 ай бұрын
@@chetmanley1885 I know they will not fit new bases, so i think coming new ones =)) thats for sure!
@sod12378 ай бұрын
pro: "lot s of core choices"? That might be nice for causal play, but is basically useless if things get even a little bit competitive.
@LordMacragge318 ай бұрын
It's nice to have multiple options so you don't have to run the same things everytime
@sod12378 ай бұрын
@@LordMacragge31 It is great, if your playing group works that way! My experience with Fantasy battle is a different one: Games always get a little more competitive than what was planned. I think this is caused by the rather long time it takes to plan , set up and play the game. When you take a look over at the chaos discussion, players are talking about lists including several single dragon ogres already.
@ShadowWolfRising8 ай бұрын
Where is the justice for the Forest Goblins?
@WARGORELORD8 ай бұрын
If im not missing something forest goblins never were part of the Orc and Goblin Army book of the last couple of Warhammer Fantasy editions. You only have them in form of the spider riders and arachnarok.
@ShadowWolfRising8 ай бұрын
@@WARGORELORD How is it that CA and the Fans consistently create better army lists than GW does?
@richardcowan87858 ай бұрын
Orc arrer boys...are they a thing?
@fehanormorkall9657 ай бұрын
no more animosity T.T
@krimson49808 ай бұрын
Did I miss you mentioning fanatics?
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Fanatics are attached to Night Goblins as per usual
@skarnak18 ай бұрын
Did I miss it, or has Greenskin animosity been removed?
@TheGreatBookofGrudges8 ай бұрын
Yup removed!
@squallstrife88637 ай бұрын
Man, as and old O&G player, no animosity changes the game rules .................. for sooooo good.
@ONETTH7 ай бұрын
NO HAND OF GORK??? NO FOOT OF GORK????
@gameroom20538 ай бұрын
Agreed...dislike GWs aversion to theme armies...
@lux-px2fp8 ай бұрын
I actually invented Goblins Nathaniel
@troybirch64788 ай бұрын
Cons: impetuous goblin fast cav is not good.
@markpandelidis20796 ай бұрын
Weird. Cross pollination between AOS and OW. I mean they are set in the same setting, but like it also feels extremely disingenuous having to have the same model on different base sizes. I'm not trying to hate on the old world, but I just don't see how this is going to work for GW. It feels like it's fighting AOS. And that feels like a mistake.
@euychua8 ай бұрын
they could be saving the savage ladz for a supplement ORRRR (tin foil hat) they'll be given an AOS update?
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
Choppas became much worse but hopefully that lowers the points on orcs. Or maybe they have given orcs S4 which they should have as they are a lot stronger then a goblin/human(S3)
@jacobbjelgart19008 ай бұрын
Orcs have never been stronger than humans, more brutal with much more endurance is their thing
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
@@jacobbjelgart1900 from most I read the average orc is as strong as the average dwarf, and they are both supposed to be stronger than the average human, at least as strong as a strong man. But sure I guess it's reflected in that Orc army list have a lot more S4 units to take instead.
@LordMacragge318 ай бұрын
@@Lassemaltenaverage dwarfs are also S3 though
@Lassemalten8 ай бұрын
@@LordMacragge31 yupp goblins are as strong as dwarfs and orcs
@martinjrgensen82348 ай бұрын
They removed animosity. Lame. It was just something you lived with. Screw that it made them “worse” in comps
@sod12378 ай бұрын
Orc magic sounds weak.
@SirMeowingCat8 ай бұрын
Giving away WAY TOO MUCH!! this should be in breach on an NDA, you should not be giving away GW IP
@shawnfoogle9208 ай бұрын
i gotta be honest. This is supposed to be warhammer 3. But lore is lore and its useless sooo if this channels just lore maybe I shouldn't be subbed.