Wisdom and Restraint: Towards Wide Boundary Sovereignty | Frankly 82

[@hollycarden]

thanks for this! once, while tripping shrooms with my sister, i explained the trajectory of human "progress", the metacrisis, ai, collapse, etc. to my sister. at the end she simply asked “what am I supposed to do with this knowledge?" i told her something along the lines of "just try to make life as good as possible for yourself and those around you and enjoy every day as much as you can." this video feels like a nice breakdown of the proper answer to her question.

[@timtam2126]

Heavy trip

[@jefflarsen9743]

Nate should have the biggest audience on KZbin. I have gradually changed my life because of him and his guests, and what I have learned through The Great Simplification. Thanks again, Nate. You make an enormous difference being a sane man in the dark wilderness we are all living through.

[@woenderer]

This talk is like being thrown a lifesaver. This week in particular I've been lost in despair and fear. Humans are starving for real connection that comes from being together in friendship and purpose.

[@Changeworld408]

Thanks for yr honesty. Most people around me look invincible whilevi struggle and dont dare to show mu vulnerability ❤

[@klausfaller19]

Thank you, Nate. It becomes an absolute pleasure to experience the change of this podcast. Frankly it is the highlight of my screen time, a pure pleasure. The soft and balanced approach connects the dots more harmonic and leaves me more light-hearted. May I just add, that humans as consumers are the engine which burns the fuel on that runaway train. We would have none of it if the fuelling stalls or dare even stop. We demand to be fuelled, until the last drop, otherwise we slow down the train. The train runs faster and faster, and this brings the end shorter and closer. The end here being some projection of our collective minds. Well, on a slower train, one finds more time to look out of the window Or going even further and dare stopping the train to step outside. That station can be called the great simplification. A refreshing of the appreciation of time is needed. Time saved equals living spend. Stay sane all.

[@mellonglass]

Cars are not our friends, they divide into humility expressed as rage, a train has frustration, yet we adapt to the nature of the event of all the cars going at the same speed as the stupidity of electric cars want to achieve, a million engines and a million cars going as a train, using 80% more energy for convenience + yellow skies of status.

[@krystalspringer]

I may be an outlier but I believe the best thing I can do personally is get really physically fit, heal my traumas, learn to grow food and get thorough insight into the human condition. 350lbs to 185lbs, from weak and injured joints to heavy weights, running and prioritizing nutrient rich food. Though I am not social currently, I still have potential and it moves me forward with a sorta bold positivity that no matter what comes, I will be able to get through it and hopefully those I love and care about will follow. If you are already going off the cliff the only thing you can do is brace for impact. Unless the data saying we are past several planetary boundaries is wrong, bracing for impact is what I'm going to focus on. I've never been more calm and that might be the adhd/autism in me seeing the patterns, recognizing the global house of cards and saying yep time to focus on pure instinctual survival.

[@marinaneil5814]

I'm in exactly the same boat, and I hope your journey goes well and I wish you the very best of health! Knowing it's not just the regular "go to the gym and keep fit for individualist self-improvement and vanity" underpinning these choices, but rather "nurturing yourself to survive and withstand what's to come, to have the resilience to remain - as one within the huge, internationally-scattered community of people with awareness of the dangers but love in their hearts", is, to me at least, a HUGE motivator. Also, the adhd/autism kinda helps this in my experience, I've become hyperfixated on becoming stronger mentally and physically to these ends, which is a nice side effect haha

[@danielfaben5838]

I, too, am working diligently in my later years to understand exactly my potential for healing. What I can do for myself and others needn't be limited by my past and fears of continuing to be stupid. Figuring where to help, who to align with and how to succeed however small the goal is worthy of attention. Time may be short. Time to get on with this life and its gifts and tragedies.

[@DavidKlausa]

I appreciate that you use Sitspot as a single word. This will ring a bell to Germans, who use Sitzplatz for a seat. In Europe, I'm always struck by the multitude of benches in every park, all in use on a nice day. It's quite a contrast to the US. Incidentally, one employs their Sitzfleisch upon finding a Sitzplatz.

[@janevt1200]

I have a wonderful photograph of my grandparents, my grandmother's parents, and her sister and husband and 2 small girls (and the dog)... they're all leaning on the woodpile. Photo was taken around 1910. They remind me that we can have a great life without cars, electricity or running water (never mind the internet). Sure, it's more work, but there's nothing wrong with work. That day will come. Hope y'all are ready.

[@bobcva3627]

Your comment reminded me of two ideas I've had in mind. In retirement I've been able to do more reading and much of it has been about human history. The fossil fuel folks want to convince us that life wouldn't be worth living without the energy gained through extraction of these finite resources. Yet for thousands of years prior to the onslaught of the fossil fuel driven world, beginning in the mid 1800s, humanity has created absolutely mind blowing advances in infrastructure, communication, organization, technology, the arts, philosophy and other human endeavors. Yes, many lived in deep poverty too, but fossil fuels didn't solve that problem either. With the STEM knowledge we have accumulated in the past couple hundred years, a glide path to a decent way of life is certainly very possible--greed is the main block in its way. Further, my grandparents were born in the 1890s, roughly 125 years ago. What a different world they lived in. 125 years from now is 2150 and should my grandchildren have grandchildren, they would be roughly my age now in 2150. If they have "photos" of we who were alive in 2025, what will they be thinking.

[@staudingerk]

It’s so hard to find people locally who think the same way like us. And if we would somehow create groups, people would think we are a cult.

[@markleonard653]

I've just set up a community meditation group. We can now speak about meditation and the anthropological function of "ritual" in community. This frees it from being branded as "cult" or crypto-Buddhism. It's a group that's explicit it's not about self-help, or collective self-help, it is intended to meet social, emotional, and spiritual needs of the people who come to the group, and that has to act as with a positive impact in the wider local community. Then governance, organisation, and direction needs not to be based on one individual guru or teacher, the power structure needs to be collective.

[@elflaco5052]

Thanks for this Nate! I love that you share your personal journey along with having a wide variety of guests and all the intellectual stuff on the same podcast. You're very relatable to many people I think. Keep on! We're listening!

[@zappsoren]

It seems to me that you are on the right track, Nate. You have a spledid bridge building project that integrates relevant disciplines.

[@Orielzolrak]

Hi Nate. I've been following you for a while, I agree with you a lot. I'm from Argentina. I've written letters to different economists, those who are more open, and they don't respond. They're not interested in these issues. Pollution, finite resources, and they don't have a clue or they mention Malthus and how his ideas failed, they keep saying: We must grow, we must grow. I use the foundations that you and your guests have shown me, especially Art Berman on energy resource issues. And you know, I feel so tired. We have an anarcho-libertarian president voted in well-conducted elections, and he has the support of 50% of the population. He claims that climate change is an idea that socialists (communists or leftists as he says) installed. I'm ashamed to hear it, I don't even want to hear it anymore. On the other hand, this week I saw the pantomime of Trump's takeover, seeing Elon Musk who a few weeks ago supported the ultra-right neo-Nazi party for the German elections. When I tell my acquaintances something, they tell me that I am very negative. I don't know what to say, all this thoughtlessness overwhelms me. I send him a hug and I keep seeing him, I wanted to show him how in a place in the world far from the North we are also overwhelmed by stupidity.

[@thegreatsimplification]

hang in there. we are slowly but inexorably heading towards a world where some people are aware and most are not - not because they are dumb or evil, but because its self-protection to not see the enormity of what we face. I suspect things will be far worse than average person realizes but perhaps far better than those of us connecting all the dots fear. Keep learning and being kind to yourself - and I hope you can find someone local to discuss these things with - the 'dining car' as it were. ❤🙏🌎

[@vélociti-001]

Your English is very impressive as is your comment.

[@claraklimovsky9970]

@Orielzolrak Where in Argentina? Here it is someone who shares same concerns, and experiences more or less the same situation, living in the same country (Córdoba city). I hope we can connect somehow.

[@davidwalker2942]

Many North Americans sympathize with you, now more than ever.

[@Orielzolrak]

Thanks so much

[@allonesame6467]

Seeds: The Greek Stoics knew, "A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in." A Water Protector: "The fruit tree is the insurrection." A Druid: "Plant as if for your life depends upon it, for it surely does." Someone: "You don't get out of life what you want. You get out of life, "WHO" you are."

[@caverken]

I was explaining this Frankly and I was saying that y Mr. Hagan is modeling appropriate behaviors and actions without telling anyone what to do. Very cool. I have a text book that influenced me years ago "Islands of Healing" I was fortunate to meet Jim Schoel. Now I am fortunate enough see how the island is changing and where I need to try and get on it. Thank You Mr. Hagan for taking the time to invest in us.

[@falseprogress]

"...without telling anyone what to do.." The problem is that people who don't like to be told what to do elected Trump - again! The masses are all about chasing bling and getting angry if you tell them they can't grab what they want. [P.S. It's Hagens, not Hagan.]

[@marxxthespot]

“Soften the gaze to allow the periphery to be seen” 🎯🎯🎯 That’s what’s keeping me going🙏🌞 And what am I seeing in the periphery? Yes, plenty of other things to be uncomfortable about… but also glimmers, awe, beauty, synchronicity, connection and, most importantly, the unknown, mystery, magic and wonder of our experience here. Thank you for this terminology 🌞🤝🌞

[@HellYesLetsDoItNow]

Spot on!!

[@stacymalkan7430]

B+ in service of life. ❤️

[@logantauson789]

Nate you have always been articulate and the insight you bring is so uniquely brilliant. No doubt it came with a price & your ability to handle both the cost & continue your work is inspiring beyond words. Thank you for all you do for us & earth now & in the future.

[@MrShineon7]

Joseph Campbell preached this as well. The world is a mess, it will always be a mess. Live life in a good way and others will follow

[@Matt-vo1ge]

Reach out to the Chris hedges Report. There's a hell of a lot of overlap.

[@garrenosborne9623]

Yes Definitely, a person of faith & values social cooperation in the name of eachother not a Nation, Market or ideolgy { they shouldnt be mutually exclusive, but in the US ...}

[@shannonwilliams7249]

Chris Hedges would push back on his channels turn to self help reflection and spiritual inaction. Cult of the self material. We all can fall into it.

[@Matt-vo1ge]

@shannonwilliams7249 sorry, I don't follow, who has the cult of the self material? I see little in this channel and nothing of the sort in Chris Hedges'

[@shannonwilliams7249]

Hedges has written much on how mindfulness, self help coaching, and how one’s journey to feel better and transcend awful conditions really is a mechanism by which the corporate spirit has infected all of us as a culture. we’re all on guided on a quest to feel better about intolerable conditions, worse labor conditions, environmental, indifference to our country starting conflicts and aiding genocide, because we’re all supposed to be using our pocket books to feel better about worsening conditions, that is until we’re broke. Nate has more and more been inviting guests, mostly comfy professors, who go on and on about transcendence. Finding inner peace. Im personally not interested in Nate’s self help coaches, his long bike rides, his dog, his quest to feel better about this horror. His channel wasn’t about this before. He talks often about all of it. He never did before. It’s becoming a bit of a personal life journal. And his life seems, to me at least, much more comfortable than the vast majority of humans on the planet. There’s a discord in my head at least, when humans who can afford psychologists, coaches, endless plane tickets, inform their audience on monied approaches to feeling better. He talks to Schmactenberger who’s framed by a vast , beautiful forest out the window who’s also massive privilege busy meditating in solitude on the beauty of the world. The world stops being beautiful when the funding is pulled, let me tell you. To talk of stark horrors unfolding, to come, the massive inequality, and then hear him talk about all the tools available to him to feel better about it, which aren’t available to most of the world, feels incredibly indulgent andcallous. Hedges despises this. You’ll notice Hedges only talks about Gaza lately. I can’t find one segment where Hagens even acknowledges a genocide is occurring. And he had a guest last year that claimed tik tok was deceiving today’s left into thinking Israel was committing genocide, meaning it wasn’t happening, Nate said nothing. I think either he doesn’t care about his country supplying endless death to an invaded, entrapped people or that he’s afraid of pissing of the wrong people. Maybe he’d be cancelled. Hedges has been. Hagens deliberate omission of any comment on Gaza I ignored for a long time, his program can be truly great, but todays segment starting off by mentioning therapist, coaches, I just think this channel is becoming way less potent and legitimate. A bunch, not all, of cushy academics pretending to have solutions while they are busy burning jet fuel and using endless tech to talk about how bad jet fuel and tech are. This is so hard to put my finger on, I’m sorry. This really hurts to write. I’m a substitute teacher in a poor town with an academic partner, and I see how there’s not going to be a mating of the two elements. These videos are just for us, the algorithms are directing them at people the algorithm already knows will like them. Anyway, if you haven’t yet please read everything by Hedges. America the Farewell Tour is my favorite.

[@shannonwilliams7249]

I responded, but it was deleted. Wow. Read Hedges, all of it. You’ll see what I mean.

[@DwynAgGaire]

Love your work Nate! Keep it going!

[@bobcva3627]

Wow, what a rich 40 minutes of insights and ideas. I am so grateful for your many Franklies and other podcasts that help me through these difficult times. You mentioned fight, flight and freeze as human reactions. I first heard of the "fight or flight" response many decades ago (I'm 77) and always felt it was incomplete. Yes, "freeze" is an extremely important addition to the fight or flight duo. I learned about that some 60 years ago on a scout hike and we encountered a hog nosed snake, which also has that reaction in its survival tool chest. It's only been very recent that I occasionally see recognition of "freeze" (or shut down) as part of the human tool chest for reacting to one's environment, yet in these dangerous times, when "flee" or "fight" are not real options, it's what we do to some degree. Certainly the numbness many of us feel in the current chaos of politics, etc., is that reaction. We need to recognize that to understand ourselves. Finally, you frequently mention interconnectedness, which I subscribe to absolutely. Many are familiar with the idea of "six degrees of separation." We need to change that narrative to "six degrees of connection." A much more powerful idea.

[@thegreatsimplification]

thank you Bob - a friend pointed out yesterday that along w freeze is 'fawn' - which I didnt know about, but I believe is relevant: www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-does-fight-flight-freeze-fawn-mean Thanks for your comment

[@bobcva3627]

@@thegreatsimplification Yes, good to know! And certainly relevant to our current dilemma.

[@CarolFoegen]

@@thegreatsimplification Nate, thank you for all your work here. I wondering if you contacted my email? I got an email message from you, but the number in it seems to have too many numbers. If this is you, can you check that number and resend please.

[@davecarnell9631]

After watching this latest Frankly, I had a look at the comments and, perhaps not surprisingly, some were critical. I think criticism is good, as it asks us to examine the things we profess. Be that as it may, my vote is that you are doing good work Nate and I hope you keep on keeping on. Your work reinforces my small local bit of work which is to be kind, be helpful and plant seeds without knowing they will ever sprout or take root or flower. That's where my hope comes from.

[@falseprogress]

The problem comes down to the math of simpleminded, self-absorbed people who seem to be at least 80% of Earth's population, not just a few dummies who don't see the problem. Peak Oil (limiting the energy for pillaging) could force human restraint, not the free-will of most people.

[@donalfromupnorth4856]

Concepts so vital to healthy living and communing in any and all conditions, yet more fleeting for those marginalized by current governmental and economic systems. With limited and declining resources, just traveling to find/meet other groups struggling with the plethora of anthropomorphic debacles faced by all species is becoming increasingly difficult, rendering those in such a condition isolated and decoupled. For those, the value of this podcast and your personal effort to inform the greater community are vital and valued. From all those trapped in this situation, thank you!!

[@TimFrench-tx1xj]

Spreading seeds….very good seeds.

[@joysachs9032]

What a pleasure to listen to you. Thank you Nate. To me, right now, you are an A Plus ❤

[@Bazza6339]

Hi Nate - thanks for everything you do to try to make this planet a cleaner more sustainable place to live and to get to the root of cause of issues. I really enjoy your podcasts and learn so much. Thanks also for your tips. I agree with all of them bar one. To win this war of good versus evil that we are in we must absolutely blame those who are causing the most destruction. In the same way that Jesus physically threw the money lenders out of the church we must find the courage to call out those who are disproportionately responsible for creating carbon emissions. At the moment we celebrate these monsters by calling them successful, buying their products and believing the garbage they spew in mainstream media etc. The biggest weakness that narcissists have is their need to be liked. That is where they get their energy. Right now they are getting an abundance of this. When Gandhi stood up against the British empire he most certainly blamed them for the their many transgressions. He also took physical non violent action that took great courage and personal suffering. It is that courage and willingness to suffer that is required from each of us now. Balanced with kindness, wisdom and love. Mandela forgave his jailers when he won the battle against apartheid. That is what evolution is about. That is our opportunity here. But it most definitely starts with blame and calling out evil wherever we see it. Takes great courage and I fall short every day - but we start by taking a single step. Please keep us the wonderful podcasts - they are amazing and inspiring. Power to the people!

[@pascalxus]

i always look forward to another frankly!

[@HellYesLetsDoItNow]

Uncertainty, ambiguity and paradox is where the possibilities, potentialities and power lies in all moments - EMBRACE them all

[@idatong976]

So much wisdom in this talk, thank you, and thanks for caring about the world Nate.

[@Ella3793]

Love you, Nate Hagens! You fellow human traveler, you... brave soul, you. Thank you 💜

[@dustyjones9874]

Hope America stays together for a few more years. I need at least 5-10 years to prepare

[@PraxisPrepper]

Nice video. You popped onto my radar after your Canadian Prepper guest appearance, and it's been great to listen in to your thoughts now and then. Thanks for sharing.

[@patrickmazza7055]

Offering a synthesis of the 3 scenarios you offer at the end. Policies, EVs, solar, wind, etc. are necessary for stabilization, which will also take systemic transformation of social, economic and political systems to return us to planetary boundaries, which is unlikely to happen without some level of collapse driving change. Hoping it is not completely catastrophic. All you have said here is valuable for navigating and achieving this future. p.s. My sitspot is Lake Union in Seattle down the hill from my house, where I love to watch the sunlight dance on the ripples on sunny days, the way the clouds are moving on cloudy days, and the differences in how the colors of the water appear.

[@Seawithinyou]

And Thank you dearly for changing my Life Too Meditation is the key to even getting even more Spiritually connected to your well-being and our Precious natural world Earth and beyond 😇

[@robertlavoie398]

Nate, I am with you and all the others on this journey. I am a Canadian and I am prepared to live actively and lovingly through what ever is on its way. As a 66.5 year old retired petroleum engineer who worked on most of Canada's Geological CO2 sequestration projects from the 1980's to just prior to COVID, I know the up hill battle you and others are up against. I wish you and everyone else success with each and every bit of the roadmap you just unfurled. Thank you for doing that. What we imagine and attend to, can and will be. I mean this in a quantum mechanical ontological way. I believe whole heartedly that somewhere in the future, CO2 will be removed from the atmosphere and stored geologically to calm the atmosphere and for future generations to use for human good. I believe that the noosphere envisioned by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin will emerge to accomplish the good and be fruitful toward a human future of harmony with the natural world and the Earth's atmospheric and geological systems. Believing this, and presensing it forward with 100's of thousands of others is the only way forward. May the Divine Milieu be with you as your light, your energy, and your companion.

[@alistairmckee9561]

"Faithing" this, rather than believing pe se, does seem to thrive in parallel to the work that reconnects, the vision of islands of coherence. Thanks Nate mate for being and sharing in the spirit of life which clearly sustains you deeply. Storm clouds and glimmers across the chimes of freedom flashin' round the seamless rising ocean of this planet. Bless all on this thread from Ōtaki on the Kāpiti Coast of Āotearoa New Zealand. Special aroha to the brave resistance in the cities, hills and underground railroads of the American states.

[@Kittens_Cats_Karma]

Frank is such a cute and affectionate little darling dog! Great analysis Nate, thanks

[@TransitionWhatcom-hg6br]

Wow! Excellent compendium of what we should consider for inclusion in the development of personal wide boundary sovereignty!

[@misslemu]

I'm imagining a society of service to others

[@ginalibrizzi5204]

I enjoyed this personal approach to social sovereignty. Thinking in terms of categories is very helpful when it comes to choosing our actions. As I see it, one thing missing from this podcast is that free, abundant, zero-point energy does exist, has existed for decades, and is now available in a way that's accessible to every human being on the planet. Or, it would be accessible, if the bureaucracy wasn't blocking it. The technology I'm referring to exists even outside of the "Disclosure" movement; however it is related. Disclosure is necessary to force the hands of the politicians and oligarchs to let go of their control over it. In other words, it's coming out anyway. Physicist Nassim Haramein solved the unified field equation, and has been working with a team of scientists and engineers to create devices that will integrate with existing systems (as a first step). He has published papers, including versions that are freely available to the public. His organization is The International Space Federation, formerly Resonance Science Organization (personally, I preferred the original name). In any case, you can verify everything I've said by visiting his organization online.

[@iczgighost]

Self-care=community service.🙏♥️

[@jenniferrayburn1011]

The dog is so sweet!!!

[@pookah9938]

Well reasoned disposition. Thanks.

[@anasalote2390]

Dolly said it first: Islands in the stream, That is what we are, No one in between, How can we be wrong, Sail away with me, To another world, And we rely on each other aha

[@AlisonNoonan-l5p]

Thank you once Nate again for your skill in articulating what goes on in mind, that I find difficult to explain.

[@af3324]

Hey Nate, you mentioned a party from folks who loved the great simplification, how would we viewers get in the loop about such in person events please?

[@thegreatsimplification]

we're looking at software for such. i am aware of the interest and need. thank you

[@Anyreck]

A fine list to help maintain healthy perspectives!

[@kyleh.3962]

Thank you especially for this video. This really lays out and organizes a lot of abstract thoughts I've had. I'm still learning and wanting to understand more and this lays out a lot of areas I still need to explore. Its a very big relief to hear someone organize all of these things.

[@boredastronaut78]

A lot of this hinges on something that's hard to talk about, because the word has become so over-used and abused, and it has too many meanings: "love". We have substituted other things for love. Even people who say "love", in fact-without knowing it-mean "desire", "adore", or "need". And because we have forgotten the difference between loving and needing them, we have become too vulnerable to addiction, to inferior feelings. Not just the dopamine rush, but superficial belonging, satisfaction, accomplishment, winning, etc. We get these feelings through artificial substitutes. This problem is ubiquitous. It serves the super-organism. As long as we're chasing desire, we can't love. We can't provide for our true needs, or care for others, while we are controlled by addictions, compulsions, and habits. We have to wean ourselves off the artificial substitutes. Which will be tough, for many reasons. One is that a more selfless love still needs a focus, if only a symbolic or abstract one. But what symbol is appropriate? What abstraction is real? I don't believe in a literal God, but it seems we should recognize something-some force or principle-that transcends mortality. Something more than an angry old father-figure or tribal totem, but which regular people can appreciate. I guess we just have to wait and see what emerges.

[@bobbates380]

Equanimity probably belongs in the spiritual category, too, if not solely. If one is spiritual, they have their centeredness, that calmness in the face of uncertainty, and it comes from the equanimity within that knows that they and everything else are the same as well as a different manifestation of that sameness: they identify with the sameness, the oneness, of all other things because they know it in themselves. And why wouldn’t we want to help evolution to reach a next step it is pushing towards, and that is evolving humans from an intellectual, mental, reasoning and creative entity that it has evolved into, mostly and by way of being graced with “choice” (i.e., the "fall"), into a spiritual being that has access to knowledge above and within that is currently unavailable to Homo sapiens and could finally allow a sustainable existence on our beautiful and biological planet.

[@deepashtray5605]

For individuals and small communities this is very sound advise, with a few things in here I'm already trying to incorporate in my own life. A question has been bothering me for quite a while now which I've asked in many a video comment section across KZbin. The question is what kind of disproportionate role sociopaths have had on the course of human history? Then this realization struck me earlier today: Historically as a personality type sociopaths are the rule, not the exception. As the apparent preferred nature of our leaders from Chen, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Peter the Great, Napoleon... it should be absolutely no surprise that we now have reelected one to the White House. It's been said that one of the problems with capitalism is that it rewards sociopaths. I would revise that to say civilization rewards sociopaths; the high priests, monarchs, generals, colonialists, industrialists, CEOs, chancellors, presidents and prime ministers, and I do not see how civilization will ever be rid of them. What's more likely, that AI will be used to find effective solutions to the metacrisis, or that it will be used as a tool to block and prevent actions that threaten to interrupt the revenue streams of those who place their priority on maintaining a position of opulence and privilege?

[@thegreatsimplification]

Yip- it’s a real thing

[@carolspencer6915]

Good evening Nate Truly grateful for this. Loved the thinking about becoming a stone in the water. If more and more of us can learn and become our inner stone in the water, what a dam we can build when necessary. Super thanks to you once again, my sanity sensemaking brain gym over passing few years. 💜

[@sofielund9298]

Islands of sanity♥

[@youliantroyanov2941]

U da man 👍

[@m.dgaius6430]

Why should I lament the passing of my people? All living things die, passing through nature into eternity.

[@thegreatsimplification]

a) i didnt suggest 'lamentation' as any response and b) its not the death thats the issue, its the shrinking and constraining of conditions for future life (significantly impaired carrying capacity vs last 65mmy)

[@trevgrooves]

Thanks for the video. I’ve been really struggling mentally in recent months, I’m exhausted. I’ve lived at odds with this culture since being a teen. I’m going to be 42 soon. I feel like a ghost, resigned, impotent. I don’t have the life force or drive to keep moving forward. Humanity feels like some sort of masochistic act of the universe. I feel like my options are so limited. I know this will pass and I won’t feel like this forever. I don’t have a bubble of people that understand and it’s difficult.

[@johncarter1150]

trevgroovespart, part of your bubble until it gets real in a good way again...

[@parisbustillos]

When humans face information overload, they become passive and disengaged. So I ran your script through gemini to make it simpler to digest. It didn't work. It made it into an "after school special" message and it lost all the detail. Your stack is awesome though, It just has to be watched a few times

[@Tony-kc2cj]

Really love this one, Nate! Tack, from Sweden 🙏🏼❤🤗

[@AlisonNoonan-l5p]

I woke up today and it’s Australia Day Celebration my first thought’s are so what exactly is it we here in Australia are supposed to be celebrating? I wrote a little felt stumped trying to explain diplomatically how it feels like our existence has evolved primarily towards profiteering regardless of the consequences. I think and feel what is the point of believing that economic success is the pinnacle of human life?? (In the modern sense what is so exciting and motivating in obtaining benefit that involves another enduring an existence of suffering to feed the insatiable economy??? I find it really overwhelming trying to survive living on this planet under the cultural lottery the universe bestowed upon me.

[@codyawz]

Absolute banger of a frankly.

[@MarkPTP7000]

9:10 I'd add you need nourishment for your soul: connection with good friends and family, reading good books (especially fiction), listening to music, playing games, connecting with nature, etc. EDIT: Lol, and of course you cover this all later in the episode.

[@JaneMahon-x2o]

Thank you, Nate, for all you offer. Can you give me a weighty example of scale and asymmetry being at the core of certain contradictory dynamics?

[@Canadiancromagnon]

I used to think like this. But as i have grown older and have experienced a few of this realities "unusual phenomena", my perspective has changed. The current dramatic increase in disclosure in the realm of UAP phenomena may harbinger the comin of a social upheaval in humanities understanding of what reality actually is. I suspect that we live in a much more fluid and metaphysical space than most can fathom.

[@jenniferrayburn1011]

Love the information about the brain.

[@sirin844]

Thank you for this Nate. Lovely.

[@mikeecker146]

Great talk Nate. I was going to ask you a question about flying and you gave your opinion which I’m thankful for. I know of 2 climate scientists that don’t fly (Peter Kalmus and Kevin Anderson). Climate scientist Katherine Hayhoe talks about flying for purpose and greater good like you discussed. I very rarely fly. I will try to choose my travel wisely.

[@danielfaben5838]

Stakes are high. They have always been the same if things are viewed on a continuum. Though now we know. Maximizing impact is such an interesting notion. Each human covets their life and the ones with whom they are related and involved. How does that jibe with facts on the ground that my life and those all around me are living unsustainably? At some point reality must bite. Making choices as stakes get higher seemingly lead to yet higher stakes until the table disappears. Game over.

[@sirvancealott]

Sometimes Nate, your videos are the perfect sum of my conclusions and it's very helpful I get to see the visual representations and here intellectual thoughts in other words like what you have done here. The reinforcement is huge. I have left the city moved my fam to a farm house with land where we have accepted things to be more difficult in the natural order of consuming less and taking care of ourselves and the environment. Well done sir. Going back to the land is nothing new and not a problem for humans what is new is the land has been depleted of most of its resources like maybe never before. This will be a unique time I believe was predicted or prophecy by intelligent imaginative humans long ago.

[@MichaelMcdonald69]

Its not that I don't care about money or power. Those have been embedded in my operating system since my conception, then reinforced by the education system, my environment and later jobs. Its taken a long time to buck the system and become comfortable with very little, both possessions and money. What is not so comfortable is the onslaught of "loved ones" trying to convince me to re-enter the system. Been there, done that. I recall being I guess 13 years old and telling someone I'd never get married having seen my father go through several marriages. Whad'ya know I got married, had kids, bought a house, in debt to the bank and separated. I'm not looking for sympathy, I have two amazing sons. Its the conditioning the seems to override my logic. Absolutely love what you're doing Nate, in all facets. That garden looks like an amazing place to ponder nothing.🕊

[@yukonnoka]

You have some nice ideals. But they are not realistic ideals for many within our community. You speak as though economic hardship and racism and social discrimination do not exist. And they probably don’t exist for you and your friends but they do for many others. I for example was raised in poverty in Appalachia in a psychotic doomsday fundamentalist religious cult. Everyone I grew up with has turned out to be crazy and only want to worship Donald Trump. I have been socially penalized for not worshiping Trump. I can’t function in my own community, neither socially or economically. My hometown has become a collectivized front for fascism. Political and spiritual and social dissent have all been outlawed under penalty of ostracization and even capital social punishment. If these folks sense somebody who ain’t like them they will MOB them with disapproval. I am very happy for you though that you have a better environment to live in. You seem like a decent dude who deserves it.

[@thegreatsimplification]

I hear you. I feel what you are saying. Yes I have had a privileged upbringing compared to most humans -but the reality of our current trajectory is easily visible wherever you look. Yes this video could be seen as 'elitist' but its an invitation for people - whatever their situation, to set some unconditional goals. All i know is the default path promised/offered by society will become very difficult for very many people in near future -and now is the time to draw some personal lines in the sand. Having said all of that, who will help the animals and ecosystems (including in the intermediate/distant future) if not some able to watch and metabolize the message in this video? Thanks for your comment -all I can guarantee you is that you are not alone in your sentiments and reality.❤🙏🌎

[@yukonnoka]

@@thegreatsimplification I actually recently became vegan because I care about the fate of animals. Thank you for the work you do. It reached all the way up here into the hollers and mountains of Tennessee.

[@thevector]

Hey, I don't know if you are in a place where words can be useful. Sometimes we just need stable, kind people that support us in our lives. Or cash. I'd take either. But if it helps--I hear you, you are not crazy, shit is really real in the US right now and it sucks. A lot.

[@robynmarieborsveraart1386]

I want to add something here too because I recognise how social environment (our context) plays an enormous part in who we can be, what we can say, what we can do... When this is the case for me in my context, I am trying to remember to do something internally - inside myself - where I can endeavour to maintain my power of choice. For example, I can set an intention that maybe sometime in the future I might be able to do something different. And/or I can imagine what I would like to be able to do... I guess this also means holding on to vision while living in the current reality and grieving the distance in between the two. Even though these are internal practices, I have a sense that they also do something... at least holding a space for other possibilities... Also I want to say that these are not all my ideas but ones I have been lucky enough to receive and I also strive to keep practicing. I wish us all well.

[@barrycarter8276]

@@yukonnoka On where humanity is heading for and on being a DETRITIVORE: “Many people in trying to digest this [video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaW0eGx7nqmlb80si=CpvAuhS1gcTEWTGM] …come to the conclusion that our species must be some sort of aberration something uniquely wicked or destructive that must be eliminated before the Earth can be healthy again” - B. Sidney Smith🤔

[@garyhoover9750]

Well said!

[@rgsteinman4842]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. 🙏Gosh -- this was a wonderful, lovely, instructive, soft, quite spiritual Frankly. ❤ I could relate to each and every category and subcategory. A useful and instructive breakdown. Did you name Frank before you started doing Franklys and/or did Frank the Darling Dog have something to do with why you call these Franklys?

[@garrenosborne9623]

Hey Frank

[@TennesseeJed]

❤

[@daveallen8901]

Very thoughtful as always Nate :)

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

human choice for God sovereignty

[@joseetremblay7977]

Thank you so much, it's so usefull and helpfull!

[@Euterp24]

My thoughts/observations on existential dread of the world's many problems: being so affected by the world's problems seems more likely when you forgo heavy investments in your immediate family, especially children, your nervous system knows. Especially as you get older. We didn't evolve to be childless with boundless empathy towards everyone. The unfortunate part is that some will never know what they are missing and think attaining various mental states is the solution. The fact is, when you have children and are properly integrated into their lives, the wider world's problems are merely of interest but are unlikely to consume you. Although, some can find people that occupy the same space as children and get those benefits. I understand and appreciate trade-offs people make but I think this is one place where younger people aren't fully aware of how those decisions will affect them as they get older.

[@allonesame6467]

Yes! Especially true of those parents who take the time (and are able to take their time. Many are too overloaded, underpaid, unsupported) to be with their children, develop deep bonds of respect, integrity, love, and learn from their children. These are essential to child development and family cohesiveness and is the proving ground for becoming the "rocks" Nate refers to, I feel.

[@johnreed691]

TWO CATTAPELLERS SITTING ON A LEAF AS A BUTTERFLY FLIES BY. ONE CATTAPELLER SAYS TO THE OTHER “YOU’LL NEVER CATCH ME UP IN ONE OF THOSE THINGS!”.... Yes! let's get imaginal

[@benbashore8561]

Hi Nate, I would like permission to play this and a few other of your excellent podcasts on my volunnteer radio show spawning Stones, at WGDR radio, in central VT. I would give proper credit. It is a great fit for my show. Warmly, Ben Bashore

[@thegreatsimplification]

permission granted. 🙏

[@erikamerklin1916]

Yes. Social Permaculture Revolution!

[@stellarwind72]

37:40 I fear that the bend not break situation may not be possible because we would have to completely overhaul most of our political and economic institutions to adapt to a post-growth economy, and frankly (no pun intended), I don't see our leaders doing that unless their hands are forced. Another problem is that have already extracted the easily accessible fossil fuel and mineral reserves meaning that the remaining reserves will require more energy and complexity to access. Since energy from fossil fuels will be declining in the not-so-distant future, industrial civilization will face a serious double whammy.

[@johnkintree763]

How can we build a global platform for digital democracy so we can vote for principles and policies instead of personalities and political parties? To make the platform as open source, decentralized, and privacy protecting as possible, I am looking for digital agent software that will run on my smartphone so I can help build the platform.

[@lovevolv]

instant like "the sovereign individual makes no sense"

[@willwallace7894]

"Peak Oil will happen-finite resources eventually run out. But it’s not happening anytime soon, certainly not within the next few years, and possibly not for a few more decades." - Art Berman january 2025.❓⁉️

[@miguelgroba]

Me sorprende esa declaración de Art. Le escuché en alguna entrevista que entre 2025 -27 se percibiría notablemente escasez de combustible.

[@Saganism]

There are people like Naval Ravikant and David Deutsch who dismiss the idea that we will ever run out of resources. We have never run out of resources, they say.

[@emilymiller1792]

I think we are a paradox. Both a sovereign individual and one within a community.

[@pilatesme73]

Dear Nate, thank you so much for you work! Do you have any anxieties about rising AI? If positive, how do you deal with it? What it the future of Internet, KZbin, art, books? It feels like 1984 becoming reality...

[@thegreatsimplification]

Yes. Next weeks topic, I think

[@GM4ThePeople]

In the 25-Jan-25 vid on the Power Struggle channel, Doomberg kicked off the chat with the assertion that "energy explains all, & solves all". Immediately thought of Nate, & thought that while he & the green chicken might very much agree on certain ways of thinking, they might very much disagree on others. Doomberg could be an interesting if challenging guest for Nate. o/

[@thegreatsimplification]

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[@GM4ThePeople]

@@thegreatsimplification Thank you Nate! o/

[@tedhoward2606]

​@thegreatsimplification Hi Nate, I so align with the vast majority of what you have said, and there are a few critical differences. We need to be sovereign individuals, and sovereign individualism alone is necessarily destructive, because it is only half of what is required. Yes, we are individuals, and we are also, simultaneously and necessarily, part of groups. Language, culture, technology etc are all group phenomena. We have both natures, necessarily, and both are critical. Focus on either to the exclusion of the other is pathological. We are not the same. We are all different. And we are in many aspects similar, necessarily. Too much focus on either the similarities or the differences is similarly pathological. One of the foundational insights in physics/mathematics was the principle of least action, which evolved into the Hamiltonian, which is a mathematical expression that can be seen as the principle of least energy, or the principle of least time, depending on how you want to organise it. All of Quantum Mechanics essentially falls out of that principle. You might reasonably call it the principal principle. An insight I had, when viewing life as: systems capable of searching the space of possible systems for the survivable, is that one can view evolution as solving a similar "Hamiltonian" in minimising time to compute survivable solutions across domains of experienced contexts. And that can generalise across all possible contexts, and all possible paradigms if one is able stand far enough back to see such a view. This does explain many of our current predicaments, in that we are developing systems and technologies which change environments and create novel environments far faster than our cultural systems can adapt, and into domains that have no precedent in those cultural systems. It also explains the recursive bias within our neural networks for simple certainty, even when facing irreducible complexity. So I agree with you that we are a deep stack of complex systems (at least 15 levels deep, with thousands of interacting systems at each level) with some degrees of influence between all systems, all levels, some much more so than others, often very context sensitive. Around 19:50 where you said "But science will never really, only asymptotically, get to the major questions; of why we are here, how we got here, and what it is all about" I felt profound disagreement, but then I realised that what I define as science is probably not what you meant. For me, science is an eternal process of refining approximations and reducing uncertainties as much as is reasonably possible in ever wider sets of contexts. In this sense, science aims in the direction of Truth, without ever expecting to get there, in much the same way as a sailor uses stars to navigate, without ever expecting to get to the star (and some of us know that approaching stars too closely is certain destruction for life forms such as we are). For me, this form of science is much closer to what many call spirituality. It is a vast gulf from the simple certainty of science taught in most schools. It is the science of degrees of confidence, of accepted uncertainties, of necessary boundaries and necessary freedoms and consequent responsibilities, and fundamental uncertainties at the boundaries of those. Thus, for me, science leads inexorably to connectedness and responsibility. To seeing the necessity of both freedom and responsibility in life. Freedom is the ability to search, not simply the known, but also the increasingly greater domains of the known unknown, and the eternal infinity of the unknown unknown. Freedom in this sense is fundamental to the definition of life. And the definition of life includes the survivable, so it includes responsibility in the need to avoid all vectors in that highly dimensional space of all possible systems that do not lead to survival. Our economic system is complex in a sense, yet in another sense it is a gross over simplification of the complexities actually present, and the simple assumptions that made it work remarkably well prior to advanced automation and AI now fail in the presence of those two things, and we provably need those things for our long term survival as a species. I was glad that you mentioned multilevel selection, because I have been working with David Sloan Wilson on that subject for over a decade (and it has fascinated me for almost 50 years). Daniel and I have spoken (though not face to face) for over and hour, and we have a lot of written interactions. Lots of other thinkers with important parts of this extremely complex puzzle. At around 26:00 you say "in service of something greater than oneself" which seems to go too far as specified. We need to both look to our own long term interests (on a thousand year plus time horizon), and to the needs of all of the rest of the biophysical and social and cultural systems of which we are part and upon which we depend. Seeing ourselves as separate from them is a necessary simplification, and we are not separate, we are part, and we have degrees of agency that most of those systems do not, and using that agency responsibly is critical to the survival of all. On that we seem to agree, and some of the details of the small disagreement seem to be important. Yes we have need for degrees of comfort, for our own internal coherence and survival, and we also need to become comfortable with being uncomfortable, in as many different domains as we are each reasonably able. As an autistic spectrum geek with tetrachromatic vision and ultrasonic hearing bands, I have never had agreement from most others I meet about even such simple things as what we see and what we hear, let alone interpretations of systems that give rise to those experiences. Perhaps that degree of difference in the basics has allowed (required) me to generate a degree of comfort outside of social agreement, which has enabled me to explore "places" that few seem to venture into. In terms of energy, humanity currently uses about 16GW, and the sun delivers about 10,000 times that much to Earth. And it is more complex than that, because humanity already consumes a lot of that indirectly. And there is still room to deliver the sort of energy I consume, as a minimum to all people, and have a survivable ecosystem, but not in any sort of "business as usual" - on that we agree. Fundamental economic and political and military strategic reform is required with substantive urgency if we are to have a survivable future. I still think that is possible, and it is far too close to a 50/50 thing, and there seems to be a rapidly approaching nexus towards the end of this year in which we will need every level of agency to act as responsibly and urgently as they reasonably can, to generate survivable outcomes. We both seem to agree on that as something of a general thesis, even if we disagree about some of the details. So I thank you, for being you, for making the effort that you do, for providing the podcast as the catalyst that it is, as the network that it is. If you are ever in New Zealand, in Kaikoura, look me up, and I will show you some of the amazing wildlife that live here, some of which I have been studying in depth for quite a few years now. when not interacting with long form podcasts like yours, Lex's, and quite a few others, or reading scientific papers, or writing submissions, or engaging in politics and advocacy, or just playing golf with friends. I find life amazingly interesting, and it seems capable of being so for the rest of eternity, should I be so fortunate as to live that long.

[@madameblatvatsky]

No flying!

[@mellonglass]

Maybe the category of generalist is that of realization in as much as divisions that begin in family, extend into divisions of the world. Yes, the blame, when we say the human is one species, the blame has nowhere to land. All human aliens can do is shoot the messenger, rather than choosing to be present. Stress is a fact. Most have no way of knowing while living in the sickness of continual violence and the divorce economy. An economy that breaks the bond with the illusion of happiness and escape. Great simple recommendations as moving back to community care happens. Less judgement, more listening.

[@iankclark]

Just watched this on 2X speed. 🙃

[@un-Denial]

You are over complicating our predicament. We are in severe overshoot. The goal now should be to minimize the coming suffering for all species. The only way to achieve this are policies to reduce human population and consumption.

[@roivaara2589]

the urgent 1st stop now is to STOP trump

[@Seawithinyou]

You must bring back Iain McGilchrist he has some wonderful research regarding our Consciousness and more connections with Meditation and Indigenous teachings with this also Am also reading Professor Robert Temples fascinating book on Plasma not Atoms that form is let alone our vast beautiful Galaxy Book titled A New Science of Heaven 🌸🌏✨🌞💖

[@thegreatsimplification]

Round 2 w Iain recorded. 2 hour deep conversation. Out in Feb

[@johndavis2399]

Excellent summation of a wide spectrum problem, NH (do you read these comments😑?) A good pep talk👍 My bet is that systemic changes will not be possible until a major crisis occurs....especially food shortages. It is therefore critical (it appears to me) that progressive thinkers maintain connection in order to be prepared to take action when the time comes....as the entrenched regressive forces, which have been running the show since the beginning, and are very well organized, will re-emerge in an even more dire form. Situation normal. >>> Why is everyone so sure that the Super Organism is not part of Nature's design?

[@thegreatsimplification]

I am advised by my staff and inner circle to NEVER READ THE COMMENTS, and as events in world get bumpier I’ll probably adhere to that. But now periodically, esp when on exercise hike in the cold weather I do read some of them On an upcoming Frankly (one day) I plan to outline a Fifth Law of Thermodynamics-which would be suggestive that the economic superorganism is indeed natures law. But also would moving beyond it Thanks for your comment

[@klausfaller19]

@ reading the comments means you are true to your listeners, and I am very happy for that. Thank you for your work, Nate

[@stefanbernardknauf467]

27:42 Dear Nate. Happy new year! I can tell you that here in Europe it looks very much that the runaway train is running out of steam... Good luck with your projects this year!

[@jolau76]

The capacity for being amazed is what most adults replace by being blazé

[@Iamalwayshappyandsafe]

True but where are safe connections for me? Please reach out!

[@Look_Closer-Soulr]

Nutrient dense but not bioavailable. He needs to simplify the great simplification (I could barely get through the 40 min). Maximizing impact is just an intellectual slight of hand (pretense) to separate oneself from the super organism when really it's about being ardent acolytes (of the super org).

[@martingifford5415]

I see your sincerity, Nate, but none of those categories resonate for me. I feel like a time traveller from a better future and all I can do is be an example of the future. There's no common language. There's no point of agreement that we can build upon. Nobody is ready to do a 180 and question their most treasured beliefs and values. In a totally deluded world, only undeniable failure can shock people out of their momentum.

[@spiritpeacefulrevolution3523]

"Islands Of Coherence". We have developed an inner governance based on super-coherence of speculative wide boundary categories in a Universal Logic. It serves as the cultural fabric which orders the categories you mention not in an abstract way but as the living organism of thought which generates the ecosystem of meaning such that it can heal fragmented abstractly sovereign minds. I was told to reach out to you several times. Would you like to partner?

[@EnriqueCubillo]

We could begin to teach youth all transport sports. They recreate and they commute.

[@tseringlama5623]

😊

[@shannonwilliams7249]

Nate is entering a new phase of “let’s feel good about ourselves and use our somewhat deep pockets to pamper ourselves because we know the truth and have the leisure to be spiritual.” Push back on him. His once prescient project is succumbing to flattery and egoism whether he can see it or not. It happens with even meager fame. Take him to task the way he once took popular engagement on reality to task. Don’t let him become elevator music. He’ll appreciate it down the line. I’d gladly be a guest to confront him on this. I’m guessing I’m not alone. Or maybe I am.