The Failed Start Of The League of Nations I THE GREAT WAR 1920

[@jessealexander2695]

Somehow, in all the roughcuts of this episode, I never noticed that the guy next to Clemenceau at 19:20 is really, really intense.

[@SigEpBlue]

Looks like an escaped Harry Potter villain.

[@ronnies6811]

He looks like the villain in the original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

[@Masada1911]

Ronnie S he doesn’t look like Grandpa Joe?

[@rabihrac]

The left guy ? I find he bears a resemblance to the former president of former Yugoslavia Milosevic

[@ronnies6811]

Masada1911 I don’t see that resemblance.

[@hlynnkeith9334]

Jesse, I like your speaking voice -- tone and cadence. My compliments.

[@jessealexander2695]

Thanks!

[@thechief00]

i agree, people shouldn't critically compare the hosts so much sometimes - jesse has his own style and voice which i think has brought something new and interesting to this channel. and indy seems to have moved on to something that is working well for him too. very pleased for both of these guys (and the teams they work with) and hope they all keep seeing success.

[@jessealexander2695]

@@thechief00 Wise words from a fellow Raptors fan.

[@marks_sparks1]

03:00 while at the same time, he openly advocated for and defended segregation by the Jim Crow laws. I'm sure Clemenceau and other leaders noted the hypocrisy as he made his appeal for a more just world.

[@andreascovano7742]

Too be fair, he also did the first film screening in the white house....

[@SnakesGames]

@@andreascovano7742 and that first film was Birth of a Nation. If only Teddy stayed with the Republicans.

[@varana]

While not to the degree of segregation in America, the French and British (and many others) displayed similary attitudes. The whole mandate system - "these people are not fit to govern themselves, the mighty whitey must lead them to enlightenment!" is really obvious racism.

[@SnakesGames]

@GhostOfTomJoad You're not wrong. That did happen, in a way, but Teddy did get angered and split from the party before anything was official.

[@tokyozardoz]

Wilson also fired all the African-Americans who had been working for the US federal government prior to his taking office.

[@SteelyBud]

Peace is often just as complicated and frustrating as war.

[@davidhoran7116]

If you push for the creation of something, and can’t even convince your own country to join it, that’s not exactly a promising sign.

[@kayzeaza]

To be fair it was only defeated because a few senators hated Wilson

[@polydorosvogiatzis5120]

Hello Jesse, my brother and I had taken the initiative to translate your video about the Irish War of Independence in our mother language, greek. We would be very happy to see our subtitles available. Thank you!

[@yochaiwyss3843]

Short Answer: Yes Long Answer: Yeeeeeeeeesssss

[@GeorgeWard14]

This content is so much better than everything advertised as being on curiositystream IMO. I am interested in analyses of why history panned out the way it did; I don’t necessarily care about the parts of a famous ship unless they impacted a battle or something like that.

[@mikebaker2436]

Knowing everything that I know about President Wilson... it is really hard for me to imagine he being the one holding the moral high ground. >_

[@garretth8224]

The very devout tend to be hippocritical.

[@dutchlancer2562]

I'm gonna have to agree with you there... When you start out with learning history, guys like Wilson look like absolute saints in school history books, even here in The Netherlands. Then you actually do some digging, and waddayaknow....

[@dutchlancer2562]

@Stephen Jenkins yet that was - at least in part - seemingly possible thanks to the "authorisation" by Wilson's statements and points🤔 again, not to try to condemn anyone or any side here, but those are my personal observations.

[@froniccruxis1049]

His international policy is what led to world police America

[@thepatriot8514]

Mike Baker history gives him a pass because Wilson was a liberal.

[@weltvonalex]

Great Job as always, it's still amazing how you manage to give us so much high quality content over all those years. You guys rock!!

[@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023]

No US, Germany and Russia as members when it was first created and later Japan and Italy withdrew their membership as well. Now thats a catastrophic failure of an international organisation if Ive ever seen one.

[@NisuUuno]

Soviets do not deserve to be members of any organization

[@criscabrera9098]

And think America was only 7 votes shy

[@goodpillhunting]

jesse, your performances are getting better and better. Keep it up!

[@UpcycleElectronics]

Unexpectedly relevant, themed, and interesting upload. Nicely done.

[@JohnnyAloha69]

Fascinating episode! Wilson had an unheard of today mix in his personality... very religious, progressive, globalist, racist. The described fundamental characteristics of the League made it obvious it was doomed from the beginning. In all honesty the UN hasn’t done much better.

[@QuizmasterLaw]

Yes it has. The U.N. has one core mission and everything else follows from that, all of it. The U.N. has as its mission to prevent World War III. And it has done so. All the other bullshit along the way is to suppress the causes of World War: refugees, pandemics, human rights abuses, ALL of it is ultimately aimed at one and only one goal. This is why it APPEARS to fail. Of course there will never be an end to brushfire wars, to refugees, to pandemics. And yet, there has not been and most likely will not be a third world war, and the U.N. has contributed decisively to that goal by reducing risks which could lead to a third world war and by creating fora for dialogue to prevent such a war.

[@kayzeaza]

Well it’s hard to really say that about the UN. Things could have been much worse without it. Sure bad stuff still happens in the world but we could have had full scale open war without the UN

[@BraceletGrolf]

Hmmm great powers getting veto powers, where have I already heard of that ?

[@georgf9279]

Well this is more of a mechanism to protect the League itself. If a great power gets overruled by a bunch of "smaller" powers they might just leave and do their own thing. So to give them this veto right aims at making them stay. (As we know from history, this whole leaving thing happened anyway...)

[@oldranger649]

yeah, its the corollary of tinhorn dictators sitting in the General Assembly.

[@ayonticabanerjee8326]

But what if 2 countries having veto powers are in dispute?

[@taufiqutomo]

Unpopular opinion: Erasing veto rights at the UN is worth fighting WW3 over. Now is not the right time, though.

[@lubu2960]

@@georgf9279 if they leave then just confirms that their goal isnt world peace to begin with

[@Aeyekay0]

Very informative segment. Great video

[@jimmyandtheresurrection7247]

This organization failed when italy was allowed to aggressively invade Ethiopia in 1935.

[@TheBlueMotel]

Whats this about the belgians trying to get dutch territory? When and what was this about? Anyone know?

[@Raap123]

Bluemotel the Dutch had a pro German political view during the war and reclaiming Limburg would be a punishment for this. Also the province of Limburg and Zeeuws Vlaanderen belonged in earlier times several times to Belgium dukes or Belgium cities.

[@wybo2]

If you look at the Belgian-Dutch border, you can see some really illogical things. Like the Dutch holding the south side of the Schelde river, potentially denying the sea-port of Antwerp acces to the sea (and holding back bagger-works deepeing the riverbed so larger ships would go the the Dutch sea-port of Rotterdam instead), as well as that bit of Dutch Limburg dangeling down, holding the Belgians away from the Maas river where it becomes more accesseble. These borders where created when the Belgians where negotiating their independance from the Dutch from a position of weekness. Now that Belgium had 'won' The great war- the war to end all wars- it wanted its borders fixed, like any victorious nation would. Only, the Dutch where neutral during ww1 so the Belgian delegation no doubt made something up to legitimise these claims.

[@marks_sparks1]

@@wybo2 and of course that Belgium Dutch border situation is complicated further by the municipal town of Baarle-Hertog with Dutch and Belgian enclaves. As it was in neutral Netherlands, those Belgian enclaves became sanctuaries for escaping refugees.

[@bigbigmurphy]

LoN 2.0 isn't far too behind, at current rate.

[@CptMoroni35]

FullMetalChicken the UN is a total joke now. It’s worthless.

[@darter9000]

Premature take: I would say the League of Nations was set up to fail. The world’s only healthy economy and military has withdrawn from the world (for better or worse, opinions vary) and nationalist ambitions and resentments remain smoldering or stoked. Just about everyone was still itching for a fight and the end of WWI only really gave countries breathing room and recovery time to get back into it for round two. The League of Nation basically provided cover for all sorts of nonsense.

[@ottomeyer6928]

@GhostOfTomJoad yes and some of them are still there and waithing (commonwealth?)

[@criscabrera9098]

I don’t think anyone was itching for another fight after ww1 every was scared of another war

[@xappgametvx]

Looking sharp Jesse, keep up the great work!

[@GeorgeWard14]

Best of all in these videos are the quotes, which are always short, to the point, and very intelligent.

[@rabihrac]

Thank you Jesse for enlightening us about the American politicians positions toward the LoN issue and the approaches of the different countries to it, and about the later failures and successes of the LoN which acted like the current United Nations in several ways, by the way. Special thanks for the various shots of the Levant at 8:34. Cheers !

[@jeffmorin5867]

Ashkenazi.

[@ArGeeAye]

thank you guys for continuing the channel!!!! :)

[@jasse803]

Big kudos for this episode and for all the others. Great stuff! Thanx.

[@Oddball5757]

Hey can you guys do a video on the evolution of German infantry

[@ericvantassell6809]

Jesse, love your material

[@jessealexander2695]

Thanks.

[@CloseUp1961]

The original model was rife with racist and neo-colonialist prejudices, it totally ignored the initial independence efforts of Asian and African colonies.

[@Reijack]

That's the best ending stinger they've ever done

[@jessealexander2695]

It is one of my favourites, yes.

[@kravosmuk]

It's cool how neutral and balanced you guys are!

[@jessealexander2695]

We do our best. :)

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[@James2005.]

How was this comment 1 day ago if the video just came out 10 minutes ago? Edit: you guys should start a discord

[@TheGreatWar]

I made the comment when I uploaded the video. and we have a discord, it's a Patreon perk.

[@johnk2452]

How in the world could this presenter MISS the major problems --- HUGE SHORTCOMINGS --- of this covenant? He misses, ENTIRELY, the primary reason why many Americans rejected this covenant. Is this for real? Hint: this presenter appears to know almost nothing about Wilson's primary characteristics; a supreme racist, and, further, one of the early members of the staunchly anti-liberty REGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.

[@karolissevelis4972]

Hi, When can we expect a video about independence wars of Lithuania?

[@blablubb9291]

Hey could you make a special episode about Wotjek a bear that fought in the polish army ?

[@TheGanimex12]

Wilson talking about self determination... well he did not think about it in 1916 (American occupation of Dominican Republic).

[@alesi257]

Excellent video. I would just add that the French diplomats were more supportive of the League than is described; the second main architect of the League (after Wilson) at the Paris Peace Conference was Léon Bourgeois. The French wanted the League to work in order to check German ambitions, but they insisted the League must be responsible for collective security by having an armed force, which the Anglo-Americans refused. The French were opposed to a weak League with no power of enforcement.

[@thegloriouspyrocheems2277]

Jesse getting better and better in his presentation! I missed this channel

[@jessealexander2695]

Thanks!

[@jliller]

A century after the creation of the League of Nations and 75 years after League 2.0 (United Nations) we're still trying to figure out this whole international organization thing. And many of the weaknesses of the organization in 2020 are the same as they were in 1920, and will never be resolved until attitudes change.

[@Chris-Someguy]

It was never meant to be united, united in name yes. I view the UN as a body that attempts to negotiate its differences.

[@tertommy]

Did The League of Nations have instant translation tech for members during a session like the UN employs?

[@MrIkaGeo]

Nope, instant translation was invented for the Nuremberg Trials (1946)

[@capamerica2427]

Great as always guys!

[@davidhudson7400]

Banging vid, anyone else doing prep from 'Bridge here?

[@alpacaalpaca2509]

19:96 wow wow wow wow, hold on... belgian demands for DUTCH territory? I am dutch and I am honestly shocked to hear this, what caused them to claim our territory? I've honestly never heard this before and I can't really find anything on google (at least not on page 1), any sources? I'd love to find out more about this!

[@YiannissB.]

Your timestamp doesn't help

[@bsamotortje]

geen idee of je er nogsteeds benieuwd naar bent, maar de reden was dat Belgie met het innemen van zuidlimburg een betere verdediging kon maken tegen Duitsland, terwijl met het innemen van Zeeuws Vlaanderen voorkomen kon worden dat Nederland de toegang tot de haven van Antwerpen zou sluiten, iets wat ze tijdens ww1 deden waardoor de Britten ergens anders aan land moesten komen en Antwerpen in Duitse handen viel. overigens werd in Belgie zelf het plan vrijwel alleen door de Franstalige Belgen gesteund, de Belgen in Vlaanderen waren positief over Nederland vanwege de opvang van Belgische vluchtelingen in het begin van de oorlog

[@aspiringjockey5852]

2:39 did you mean the Entente

[@stevewilliamson8402]

Failure to join the league and prohibition have had long lasting effects.

[@Hhenryarero]

How is financial contribution to the league of Nation decided, any Criteria?

[@cossackhistorian7425]

19:58 Belgium had demands for Dutch territory?

[@calvi-se6ry]

Can you do a video on the Austrian-Slovene conflict in the aftermath of WW1

[@oldranger649]

My understanding of (Presbyterian) Wilson is that he adhered to "Liberal Theology", so he can be described as "deeply religious" in the same sense that the Presbyterian Church USA can be described as deeply religious, which is double talk. It does fit with the whole idea of meddling in peoples affairs and the "nanny state". But perhaps a more specific focus on Wilson is warranted in another film. I think Wilson's stroke was the deciding factor. Despite the Senate's isolationism, the USA continued to expand its navy to be the world's largest. The biggest issue is that a proper view of the Constitution prohibits outside submission to a World Court.

[@playstationarusu]

No it doesn't

[@jimmyandtheresurrection7247]

No matter how noble a document is if not backed by action and goodwill becomes useless.

[@MRDPG59]

The League of nations was a failure ...the U.N "hold my beer!"

[@jamier65551]

The LoN was by far, more of a failure

[@Max-rn3eb]

@@jamier65551 absolutely but the UN is a fuckup as well

[@MinecraftGamerYOLO]

Yeah yeah the league prevented a war between Greece and Bulgaria and made Greece pay money to Bulgaria. In that instance the league operated as it was supposed to, because Greece attacked Bulgaria after a Greek officer was shot at the border. But in 1923 Italy bombarded, invaded and occupied Corfu (Greek Ionian Island), because of the murder of an Italian general on the Greco-Albanian border, which GREECE DIDN'T COMMIT. The murderers were NEVER FOUND and Greece was forced by the league to pay money to Italy, salute their fleet, apologize to the Great Powers and pay for the investigation. This was an unfair treatment of Greece by the League and a humiliation for the Greek Government. But why should Greece be treated this way by the league when she was the defender and why should Greece be treated the same way when she was the aggressor at the border incident with Bulgaria? On the other hand, Italy didn't have any implications and got everything she wanted when she was the aggressor. The League of Nations treated Great Powers and smaller states DIFFERENTLY!

[@davidjohansson113]

Could you explain the american army hat and helmet? Kan ni förklara den amerikanska armé hatten och hjälmen?

[@marks_sparks1]

The American hat is called a "Montana peaked" campaign hat. Officially issued to troops 1911-1942. It is still worn by US army drill sergeants today at boot camp as a mark of their service. The helmet is the M1917 and is a direct copy of the British Brodie helmet which the US purchased from the UK upon arrival in France. It was replaced with the M1 helmet in 1942 for all troops.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I wonder "What If" The US managed to join the League of Nations after all. Would that have changed world history. Or would it have stayed the same. I think that's a nice "What If" for this channel to explore. Nice job.

[@bingobongo1615]

Why did you guys not mention the biggest gripe Japan had with the LoN? The rejection of the racial equality clause Japan desperation wanted and the other powers rejected? They might have been silent on most issues but not the arguably most important one

[@jessealexander2695]

We talked about that in a previous episode, on the Treaty of Versailles I believe (which contained a section about the Covenant when it was being debated).

[@ericvantassell6809]

I'm never playing baseball with you guys using my own baseball. You'd hit it out of the park and then I'd have to go buy another one.

[@dijondermaku]

What happened to the Berlin-Project?

[@salvino6699]

best part: Jesse's final quote

[@aljawisa]

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come." Rev. 17:8 League to the United.

[@theguynamedmoney9676]

So i have a confession to make. Whenever he's speaking, i can't stop looking at Jesse's hands. There's something about the shape of them or something.

[@ezbayt8723]

You want his strong, stern hands to hold your naked, quivering body dont you?

[@Sceptonic]

@@ezbayt8723 Thats hot

[@Hhenryarero]

2nd World War was Devastating, lessons learnt from previous Wars and United States of America and allied nations went to drawing board,A New Road map of Reorganizating of international world system through United Nation system ( U.N)

[@spiderlime]

h.g.wells was an important figure in the creation of the league of nations, and earlier on during the war.

[@lacasadipavlov]

after the WWI the USA started to avoid a strong commitment with other countries on equal terms

[@martind5565]

Is there a way I can give you guys a one off donation?

[@noskpain2792]

Grand Opening Grande Closing

[@thefishoftruth235]

Hello from yesterday Great War team!

[@dreadfullyDistinct683]

LoN prevented a war between Greece and Bulgaria?

[@nicolaeceausescu6049]

There are two versions of how the incident started. 1) In the first version, the incident began on October 18, when a Greek soldier ran after his dog, which had strayed across the border from Greece at the pass Demir Kapia [bg] on Belasitsa (Belles); thus, it is sometimes referred to as the War of the Stray Dog.[7][8][9] The border was guarded by Bulgarian sentries, and one of them shot the Greek soldier. 2) In the second version, the Greco-Bulgarian frontier incident was caused when, on October 18, Bulgarian soldiers crossed the Greek border, attacked a Greek outpost at Belasitsa and killed a Greek captain and a sentry.

[@brickproduction1815]

You know if you upload this like three years earlier.... I would have change my essay

[@cuthbertjolly4859]

"Wilson was a deeply religious man". Religious men have caused great pain and suffering in the world throughout history.

[@onesmoothstone5680]

No cc?

[@Nalaztre]

"[USA] played a major role in international affairs, but mostly through the use of diplomatic and economic soft power, as opposed to military hard power". That policy changed less than 20 years later 😅

[@SonOfAGunYYH]

"America was seen as untainted by old imperial ways" *coughs in Native American, Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Tagalog, Chinese, etc.*

[@TheGanimex12]

Don’t forget in Dominican (1916).

[@tf2664]

Nobody expected the LoN to fail

[@comikdebris]

Wilson was also deeply racist

[@tkc5898]

Odysseas G Nothing. But when there’s hate behind it ALOT!

[@Hhenryarero]

The Higher percentage of financial contribution to the league of Nation had an upper hand in Decision making,

[@hangonsnoop]

Wilson's propensity for invading countries makes believing in his commitment to peace difficult.

[@markknife1]

Wilsooon!

[@ehabbayoumi4925]

Woodrow Wilson being a big racist didn't guarantee that peace among the people living in his country

[@oliversherman2414]

Ironic how America formed the League of Nations but refused to join it 😂

[@rat_king-]

The 14 points. The 14 Hollow points. and thus 14 monarchies fell. and the disturbed failures of democracy marched in.

[@snakeking101]

Not gonna lie I really want to see the Lithuanian wars of independence

[@Hhenryarero]

United Nation system is similar to the league of Nation but United Nation system is More stronger and focused,UN have survived Many modern and international challenges

[@Hhenryarero]

Failure to uphold the League of Nation system and Covenant weakened the organization

[@drharmonica]

Mr. Alexander. As I listen and watch you speak I find myself very distracted by your unbelievable hand movements. This leads me to ask the question, are you conducting an orchestra, sending semaphore signals or speaking in some as yet unknown sign language? Your hands appear to be two separate entities operating of their own free will. Unfortunately, they only seem to have three basic movements that are used throughout your lecture. At least teach them a few more actions because they are far too repetitious in their present application. I suggest that you either drop them all or add more variation. Perhaps a wave, a salute, an OK sign or an occasional flip of the bird to show disapproval of certain historic action. There is always room for improvement.

[@jamesbugbee6812]

Each dominion having N equal vote gave the British Empire several votes, which could B Xpected 2 vote as a block; this had 2 weigh in the US gov't decision, if not those of other nations.

[@justonemori]

Score one for the USA Senate for not joining that clusterfuck

[@titanicbigship]

It was too early for something like this at the time

[@leebarry5686]

Predators redivided prey among themselves , that is the reality of international affairs when justice is abandoned as the first principle of solutions for disputes

[@armedrealtorakasheepdog6914]

I miss Indy

[@BoyNamedSue4]

WWWIIIIIIIIILLLLLLSSSSOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN

[@jeffreyzervos6938]

The league failed because Europe cannot manage it's affairs without war. Look at the history of Europe very rarely has Europe had long periods of peace

[@cesurbasoglu4144]

0:53, "Support the Great War" sounds like a propaganda slogan out of context

[@titanicbigship]

I got so sad when they had to get sponsored by the worst sponsor raid shadow legends

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Wait wasn't this 'dead on arrival' or something?

[@jonkline709]

Wilson League of Nations was a joke after it was established they just turned around and totally screwed Germany and he just walk away

[@synergous571]

im sad i only found this channel now, after the great war ended. guess i have to wait until 2039 when im 35 .-.

[@joshgellis9463]

Lowkeyamazing _ can you explain what you mean?

[@criscabrera9098]

So that way it can be covered week by week but they are already doing that so go watch that

[@Hhenryarero]

Each allied nations had interest in United Nation

[@marekstypukowski7382]

Poland 1920, please

[@Hhenryarero]

The Financing of the league of Nation

[@ThatDragonGuy]

Where's Andy?

[@ValeriaGonzalez-fy5vq]

Is someone here just because likes history.

[@Hhenryarero]

The permanent Members to the league of Nation

[@Hhenryarero]

Representation at the league of Nation

[@scorpiocanuck6321]

Although the UN was not as a failure as The League of Nations was but it is getting there.