Their journey back to Finland was equally interesting time; They were smuggled on German U-Boats, along with their equipment through Russian seaminefields, back to home soil. One of the submarines sank/went missing on its way back, and to honor the crew, Finland erected a memorial to the archipelago, with a text translating to "For the memory of the men serving onboard German Submarine, the first soldiers to sacrifice their life for Finland's independence."
@thebuick1901 Жыл бұрын
That was only some of them. Most came with s/s "Arcturus", a ship that went from Libau (Liepaja) in today's Latvia to Vaasa.
@hlynnkeith93346 жыл бұрын
I cannot imagine a German officer enforcing a 'no beer' order.
@Pikkabuu6 жыл бұрын
I cannot imagine Finns following that order...
@11Kralle6 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine a German officer during WW1 not enforcing any order... ...but I do can imagine him to be found a few days later hanging (mysteriously strangled) over a spiked fence.
@randomguy-tg7ok6 жыл бұрын
Perkele?
@timomastosalo6 жыл бұрын
In case of Finns, I can. (I'm a Finn.) Desperate times calls for desperate measures. They needed to get some teaching and training through.
@hlynnkeith93346 жыл бұрын
I would have said 'a Frenchman without wine'. I think there was a German unit in some war -- maybe not the Great War -- that mutinied for lack of beer.
@arnekrug9396 жыл бұрын
One of my classmates is from Hohenlockstedt and one of the streets there is called “Finnische Allee“ or “Finnish alley“ in honour of the men that trained there.
@Fl4m3tu56 жыл бұрын
Arne Krug as a Finn i gotta say that's a great name for a street! Hah!
@fkper4 жыл бұрын
Almost, but not quite. "The Fininsh avenue", would be a more suitable translation. "Allee" is usually a street with Trees to the sides or in the middle. Also #"The Great War" Jäger originally referred to light infantry. Jäger in WW1 was used to describe skirmishers, scouts, sharpshooters and runners.(for the most part) "Ranger" would be a more deserving military translation. Great video cheers!
@Yoghurtslinger6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what else went on with the millers daughter.
@LuizAlexPhoenix6 жыл бұрын
I mean, there is something else here.
@Statusinator6 жыл бұрын
While the miller served them pannukakku, they served his daughter lots of makkara
@stochinblockin6 жыл бұрын
A lot of oats were apparently sown...
@michaelmilburn9116 жыл бұрын
Behave!
@szekelylunahun31966 жыл бұрын
Love Finland from Hungary! :)
@ancientfungi78186 жыл бұрын
love to our southern cousins from a Finn
@szekelylunahun31966 жыл бұрын
Hazzmati You should go back to elementary school.
@mmestari6 жыл бұрын
köszönöm :)
@yelsavidaravskaja9056 жыл бұрын
Hazzmati Ah, I assume you're a hapsburg conspiracy theorist who forgot to take his anti-psychotic medicine? Finno-Ugric is real, get over it
@rofl0rblades6 жыл бұрын
SH is my home state, I never heard of that. I plan to visit the museum now. Great episode!
@johnwulffe6 жыл бұрын
Pannukakku, not pannukakka. There is quite a big difference.
@tyynymyy77706 жыл бұрын
Millers pancakes were made with digested waste material discharged from the bowels.
@peterfinland13706 жыл бұрын
Pannukakku becomes pannukakka only after 24h, so it's not big of a differece anyway...
@lipidi15426 жыл бұрын
pannukakku=pancake pannukakka=panpoop
@AlwaysMorenZi6 жыл бұрын
very small differfeces
@okaro65956 жыл бұрын
pannukakka = mämmi.
@hemmingwayfan6 жыл бұрын
"... they became friends with the miller's daughter." Must... resist... Chaucer... joke!
@rasmusalmqvist59606 жыл бұрын
As a native Finn I approve of this video. Extra points for on-location shooting. 🖒
@tyynymyy77706 жыл бұрын
What would've happened if you had disapproved the video?
@rasmusalmqvist59606 жыл бұрын
Tyynymyy I might have had to call in Simo Häyhä (although he was just a kid during The Great War). 😉
@Irakos3 жыл бұрын
My great-great-grandfather, Heikki Peurala was one of these jägers. After fighting in the eastern front, he fought in Finnish civil war on the white side and he was killed in action in 1918. I respect him greatly and I'm grateful for what he did.
@SamuelMTA_Ай бұрын
Respect🫡 Saanko kysyä missä komppaniassa oli ja missä kaatui? Oma sukulainen oli 3. Komppaniassa ja kaatui Viipurissa.
@Qassu786 жыл бұрын
Finland was declared as independent country in 1917. Yet, through 1917 - 1918 we had our civil war and through 1918 - 1919 Finland was recognised as independent country in international community. Still we finns do concider our first year of independence to be 1917. So the year 2017 was the 100th birthday of Finland and 2018 is the 100th anniversary of ending the civil war.
@williamprince11146 жыл бұрын
I think universally all soldiers complain about rations. When I was young I was told by many older men who had served as soldiers that if you like to eat to join the navy or air force but if you liked misery the army was the place to be.
@shellshockedgerman39476 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the US rations are probably better and you get a lot of them in comparison to Soviet ones.
@stochinblockin6 жыл бұрын
Air Force chow was definitely better. When I was in the Army, we tried to go to the Air Force DFAC (Mess) as much as we could, since they accepted our Meal Cards and it was that much better.
@thebuick1901 Жыл бұрын
The brother of my grandfather was one of them. Unfortunately he died in Lockstedter Lager. Some years ago I found his grave at Ohlsdorf cemetary, close to the airport of Hamburg. It was a touching moment - and it was in fact hard for me to go away from there.
@larnitongsin32316 жыл бұрын
They learn to bang two things.. Guns And the Miller's Daughter.😂😂
@johnwills17486 жыл бұрын
The poor guy
@martikainen61726 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU :D
@martikainen61726 жыл бұрын
They deserve it too, they are our finno brothers.
@haukka1196 жыл бұрын
7:53 That's not completely correct. Two-thirds of the first 200 Pfadfinder/Pathfinders, mostly upper-class students from the capital, were Swedish-speakers. But in the later enlarged 2000 man Royal Prussian 27th Jäger Batallion, comprising no longer just upper-class students but just as many lower-class farmers and workers, the Swedish-speakers had declined to about one-fifth. There were also plans for a 28th Jäger Batallion but the daring underground recruitment in Finland was taking a toll by the increasing activity of the Russian Gendarmes in tracking down the Finnish recruitment movement so it was abandoned.
@KarotteImBeet6 жыл бұрын
Video is 9:59 long. so proud of you guys that you didn't stretch it over 10 minutes for mid-rolls. Keep up the great work. greetings from Heidelberg
@lesliefranklin18705 жыл бұрын
Half my ancestors lived in Finland until about 1900. They thought of themselves as Finnish, not Russian. They spoke Finnish and Swedish and their documents (birth certificates, baptism, passports, death notices, etc.) were all in Finnish. The passports said they were from Finland (Suomi) and made no mention of Russia. So the Czar trying to Russify Finland must have been a great shock and insult.
@WednesdayFin866 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great episode Indy! I live in Vaasa where the Jägers landed in 25.2.1918 and the 100th anniversary commemoration of the event was just held. Also served in the FDF Army infantry which still today has Jaeger as the private rank.
@rhodesianwojak20955 жыл бұрын
would there be any videos of the commemoration?
@PalkkiTT3 жыл бұрын
Minäkin oon Vaasasta.
@boristhebarbarian6 жыл бұрын
Blue Henrick: Blauer Heinrich: a sort of barley soup with carrots, onion, celery, potato, parsley some leek and some meat. The recipe differs by region.
@shawngilliland2436 жыл бұрын
@boristhebarbarian - thank you very much for explaining "Blue Henrick"!
@owenmccord50783 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t sound terrible.
@youssefkabab55936 жыл бұрын
This is the best ww1 Channel on KZbin !!
@indianajones43216 жыл бұрын
Long live Finland!
@samspencer5826 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this history of my country. Very interesting and great that the buildings still exists.
@ville3076 жыл бұрын
5:30 It's "pannukakku" which means pancake. "pannukakka" as you clearly said it means panshit.
@tyynymyy77706 жыл бұрын
More like panpoo.
@Nono-hk3is6 жыл бұрын
Oh, he knows what he said...
@peterfinland13706 жыл бұрын
Pannukakku becomes pannukakka only after 24h, so it's not big of a differece anyway... (sorry, if I copy/paste. this needs to be rectified.)
@pihlajafox Жыл бұрын
In a journal that one of the Jägers wrote he tells how they were tough how to row a boat with some German army units. The jägers did exactly as they where told until they where granted a short rest. The jägers didn't rest how ever, but started using rowing techniques they learned in Finland and basically just went a lot faster than they where expected to go
@TheDerperado5 жыл бұрын
So fascinating to hear history from a foreigner who knows more about my country's history than I do.
@tapanilofving47416 жыл бұрын
Here's a Finn who have visited that water tower and Lokstedt :) Thank you!
@Zardagbum6 жыл бұрын
I love it that you made the trip and got so much research just to talk about a few thousand jägers. Great job with the channel all around, I took all the extra courses I could in history but never had insight such as this on the great war.
@scottmackenzie13866 жыл бұрын
To this day, infantry in the Finnish Army are referred to as Jaakkari, or Jagers, in honor of the 27th Jager Regiment.
@ollikoskinen16 жыл бұрын
Scott MacKenzie Very close. The proper term would be "jääkäri".
@aaronsahipakka32246 жыл бұрын
He isnt finnish so he doesn't (probably) have the "ä" letter
@scottmackenzie13866 жыл бұрын
Kittos, yes I am not Finnish but a big fennophile. Indeed, I'm wearing my Suomi shirt today - I bought it at a store near Senate Square three years ago. My kulta loves it. She's Finnish. Oh boy is she :)
@arawn10616 жыл бұрын
Scott MacKenzie jäger* Jesus spell it correctly
@Pnaraasi946 жыл бұрын
dimapez I think you got the definitions of mechanized and motorized infantry a bit mixed. Motorized only utilizes unprotected vehicles such as trucks and cars, whereas mechanized uses protected vehicles like APCs and IFVs. But in FDF all infantrymen are indeed known as jägers (without actually being any more lightly equipped than other countries' equivalent infantrymen) and they are all at least motorized - as is the case in most modern militaries - with the exception of border jägers, and the army commandos, who I'd call true light infantry.
@frankwhite34066 жыл бұрын
Excellent special episode, most enjoyable and informative!
@angelocortez44716 жыл бұрын
So, did they Finnish their training?
@bongobrandy62976 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there. Hahaha!
@AlexanderSeven6 жыл бұрын
They finnished their training when Russians rushed at them during Winter War.
@eldpost4-5356 жыл бұрын
Oh you just had to Do it, didn't you?
@cyberkermie3.0526 жыл бұрын
That made my day
@KonradKurz-j7e6 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they trained the Miller's daughter
@ferrumlynx19146 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this for a long long time.
@hamm60336 жыл бұрын
I have watch so many of these excellent history videos I feel you can knock on my door, come in, I'll get you a beer and we can sit and talk about the war. Thanks for these videos.
@kuoseis6 жыл бұрын
"fun" fact. More Finnish jägers died in a train incident than in the western front with German soldiers.
@Pyro-et9vs6 жыл бұрын
KOLMEKAKKONE thats called an interesting fact.
@SavolaxMitsu5 жыл бұрын
@@Pyro-et9vs Because finnish jägers fight in Eastern Front.
@WhiskyandBacon3 жыл бұрын
KOLMEKKAKONE,the Finnish Jägers did certainly NOT fight on the western front.They fought on the eastern front only.
@onnisonni6 жыл бұрын
Finally! I've been waiting this. Thank you so much
@sigcario70625 жыл бұрын
"Blauer Heinrich" is a soup made from pearl barleys, turnips and cabbage. So I can understand that they weren't thrilled to eat it
@hansmoss73952 жыл бұрын
The Prussian and Austro- Hungarian armies were known for their meager rations. The solution was to have a Bratkartoffelverhaeltnis or fried potatoes relationship with a lady cook. The upper middle class had a lot of servants in those days and of course cooks. If you took up with one of these ladies, she would see to it that did not go hungry.
@drewpamon6 жыл бұрын
How pregnant was the Miller's daughter...
@Marc83Aus6 жыл бұрын
All of the pregnant.
@averagejoeschmoe91866 жыл бұрын
I have so been waiting for this video to be uploaded.
@SirSaladhead6 жыл бұрын
I like it when you talk about "less relevant" or more unknown units or aspects of the war, like here.
@calebvineyard62444 жыл бұрын
this is a great channel. I love all of the in-depth information. THANKS!!
@miikkavalimaki5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@Speeder766 жыл бұрын
Love this episode. Very different than being in the studio.
@montaguemonro5656 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always!
@FinQuerilla6 жыл бұрын
Barbedwire (obstacle) = Piikkilankaeste (which means Herring- or Fish casserole = Silakka- ja kalalaatikko) That's finnish military humor in a sense
@mihaelvulchev70032 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your amazing channels and for everything you do to educate armchair historians like me.
@DoctorStrangeFate6 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for an episode like this. I know about the winter war but I am so fuzzy about the country of my grandparents at this time.
@Ultima7702 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I found out today, after researching my ancestry, that an ancestor is among the Finish Jaegers. Who fought the Red FInns and eventually in the Winter War
@josephwright51406 жыл бұрын
I have to ask: what kind Of international incident could come of this once they were at war? I understand wanting to be trained some distance from Russia as they could be seen as traitors but what political consequence could possibly face Germany? It's not like they could threaten war, they're already at war? Or am i totally confused?
@williamprince11146 жыл бұрын
If captured any Fin fighting for Germany could be executed as a spy. Also it would have justified active recruitment of even pressinf of POWs into foreign armies.
@exploatores6 жыл бұрын
their are other countries that might have a problem with them giving pepole military training like that.
@ClarinetgirlMelissa6 жыл бұрын
I'm also wondering about that.
@LuizAlexPhoenix6 жыл бұрын
It's a war crime to press PoWs and foreign citizens to fight, even worse against their own country. Not that it was the case, it seems. But they could charge them with that to justify other courses of action. It's just bad publicity to do this.
@avishalom2000lm6 жыл бұрын
But if I remember correctly, the Germans did just that with Muslim colonial troops in the French and British armies. TGW Facebook page had a short article about a mosque built in Berlin (I think) for the benefit of PoWs from Algeria, Senegal, India, etc. The point was to make them feel 'at home' as much as possible, and also to convince them to fight against their infidel overlords and possibly gain independence. Few Muslims fell for it, though.
@troywheatley7446 жыл бұрын
Thanks again guys !
@WesloTheHandsome3 жыл бұрын
Well Done Indy❕👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻
@HeviErkka5 жыл бұрын
9:10 Speaking of what flags symbolize please Google Finnish air force flag. It was Before the Germans. It is to this day on the flags of air force units. Pretty stubborn to march under swastika in 2019 because history but we Finns are pretty stubborn :)
@oOkenzoOo6 жыл бұрын
Cool one more special unit covered =) Do you plan to do one about the US Marines and French Chasseurs Alpins or Légion Etrangère too ?
@impalabeeper6 жыл бұрын
K Z Well the Marines were brazenly bold and suffered heavy casualties in the Battle of Belleau Wood before successfully expelling the Germans.
@ragman26236 жыл бұрын
impalabeeper they ll tell about that story when it's time will come.
@impalabeeper6 жыл бұрын
K Z I don't know how different the training of USMC compared with other special forces but the former is considered elite in their own right (during World War II the "normal" marines were envious of the Marine Task Force Raiders who thought they were being one-upped by "elites within the elites"). I didn't say taking casualties grants a unit some special status. It's just interesting because the Marines fearlessly charged into the enemy whilst the other Entente have had the luxury of experience of knowing not to do that anymore.
@impalabeeper6 жыл бұрын
K Z Now to be fair, the Wikipedia entry is uncited but since you asked about where I got my claims about the Marine raiders: "However, despite the original intent for Raiders to serve in a special operations capacity, most combat operations saw the Raiders employed as conventional infantry. This, combined with the resentment within the rest of the Marine Corps that the Raiders were an "elite force within an elite force", led to the eventual abandonment of the experiment." "There’s nothing WRONG with Marines, but they are nothing special compared to any Army infantry unit," Could you tell me how the Marines not not differ with the army? LIke I said, I don't know specifically how the USMC are trained but I do know that Philippine Marines are trained way harder than normal Philippine infantry from the beginning. I don't see any reason why the USMC would be trained vastly different considering that the Ph military is organised with the basic framework as the US military because PH was under American rule, and then freed with still the same US model in just about everything.
@impalabeeper6 жыл бұрын
K Z The Wikipedia entry is uncited but the passage is too detailed to be mere conjectures don't you think? In which case, there are two sources from where the entry came from. bearworks.missouristate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=2174&context=theses www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/From%20Makin%20to%20Bougainville-Marine%20Raiders%20in%20the%20Pacific%20War%20PCN%2019000313000_1.pdf
@peterlynch14586 жыл бұрын
I love Indy's hand motions. It's like he's explaining that what plants crave is electrolytes.
@alexrennison8070 Жыл бұрын
8:10 Why is Indy doing the robot? Dude looks like C-3PO
@pomedo6 жыл бұрын
Hi Flo, Indy and team. I love the channel! Last week end we visit Verdun and saw the sign of towns that disappeared during the war. A question for out of the trenches : were this small village evacuated ? Or did the inhabitants died there? Thanks for answering and thanks for the great videos. I’ve started in November 17 and trying to catch up. I’m starting 1917 now.... :)
@janrudnicki61112 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas
@hawkeyepierce676 жыл бұрын
"Blauer Heinrich" is the nickname troops and public alike in germany gave to the low-fat milk that has been issued to them. The stuff for usual has not only been extremly low fat but also watered down to a point where the bottom of a cup - at these times often enameld blue on the inside - could be seen shimmering through the content. Even if said cup had been filled to the brim!
@thescholar60586 жыл бұрын
Will you make a special video about German Asia Corps
@leksious6 жыл бұрын
My father used to talk about his army times in FDF. Food was one subject and one common food served there was called "piikkilanka" or "barbed wire" and that was something like potato-fish stew IIRC. Whole fishes with spines and ribs so that´s probably where the name comes from.
@thomasgarcilazo77446 жыл бұрын
You MUST watch the animated film Sgt. Stubby and make a video on it! Keep up the great channel!
@ramdom_96 жыл бұрын
About 3-4 years ago i was working as summer worker as a guide in my local museum here, in Finland. There was an exhibition about Hohenlockstedt going on at those weeks. As i read about it and told visitors what i had learned about it, i learned a lot by myself too. Like in fact, there was local people involved in getting volunteers in this training and they actually smuggled them, were hiding them from Russian officers, and just helped in any way! I wish i can recall more memories about this soon 😀
@arnekrug9396 жыл бұрын
323 323 I live in Schleswig-Holstein and one of my classmates is from Hohenlockstedt. One of the streets there is called “Finnische Allee“ or “Finish Alley“.
@ramdom_96 жыл бұрын
Arne Krug Oh nice, that's interesting fact to know, thanks! I have always been really into history :D
@rusty82896 жыл бұрын
Hi indy and team this is for out of the trenches can you tell me so facts and info on yorkshire and the men they sent to fight thank you and keepup the great work
@5000Kone6 жыл бұрын
Had not heard the claims that Finns jagers had asked the training from Japan etc. before Germany. Have to look it up, if accurate nice ad in information :)
@silvioalmonacid22916 жыл бұрын
excelente vídeo, like always
@the_major6 жыл бұрын
Why were the Germans worried about a diplomatic scandal. Didn't the Russians do the exact same thing with the Czech Legion? I don't recall any diplomatic fallout from that.
@retkuperkele6 жыл бұрын
Czech's weren't in the German empire if I recall. They were part of Austro-Hungary. Point still stands though!
@nikeayuiop6 жыл бұрын
Please do a video about the cuisine at the front and in the training fields, and for a plus all the crew have to eat something
@paulmanson2536 жыл бұрын
Nikeayuiop I used to own a book written during the Korean War where US soldiers were briefly attached to a French Foreign Legion combat outfit. Not only did these personnel eat magnificently but there were assigned prostitutes deeply respected by the serving Legionaires. In WW1 the idea of calling the food being served as cuisine would have been received with hoots of laughter. Feeding thousands of men,cooking the food then somehow moving that food through the communication and support trenches,it would arrive cold or frozen. The German horse drawn cookery wagons were remarked on as being able to do a remarkable job with limited ingredients. British Army was known for its tinned cans of such things as bully beef,often from Argentina. Boring but nutritious. Each nation did their best as men living in the open need more food than when living in houses. Removing the human waste was another intractable problem but another subject. Best I can do. No doubt others with knowledge will add to this comment section.
@nikolajs.53536 жыл бұрын
Please do a overall video about Serbia in WW1, if you haven't already. Love the channel btw.
@FinnishJager6 жыл бұрын
quality video
@VompoVompatti6 жыл бұрын
Big difference between pannukakku and pannukakka. Pannu=pan, kakku=cake, kakka=poo.
@parkerstogdill45996 жыл бұрын
VompoVompatti plot twist, the pancakes were actually really bad so they called them pannukakka
@Pyhantaakka6 жыл бұрын
Would be great to see a follow up.
@Bradford6216 жыл бұрын
Hey indy i was wondering if you have ever heard of the alternate history game "Kaiserreich" that takes place in a world where germany won ww1. Ive been playing it lately and was hoping you maybe had a thought or maybe even could do a side episode on it. Have an awesome day great war team !
@b.hagedash79736 жыл бұрын
Scout training in lieu of more martial instruction is feasible unless the soldiers are to be part of the cavalry, mounted motorbike division or any unit that requires sitting painlessly on a hard surface.
@teemup92475 жыл бұрын
When jäger stops...jäger digs.
@TheBoyer196 жыл бұрын
Where’s the Ludendorff special??
@stredent6 жыл бұрын
Interesting turn of event. Love all this content. On a side note, what kind of jacket are you wearing?
@JutiMayranen6 жыл бұрын
You gotta love those Pannukakku's :D
@ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas41236 жыл бұрын
Are you going to discuss the relations between monarchs during Before, During & After? (Relation of Nicholas, Wilhelm and George)
@TheGreatWar6 жыл бұрын
gotta good source on that topic?
@ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas41236 жыл бұрын
The Great War there was a source on the web where both Nicholas and Wilhelm Communicate during the periods of the war but its currently archived and can’t be publicly access.
@fallchiron6 жыл бұрын
Question for Oott - was there any naval boarding actions similar to the altmark incident of ww2 fame?
@Feldmrschl6 жыл бұрын
Excellent story!
@Nono-hk3is6 жыл бұрын
Why does Indy start doing The Robot at minute 8:50?
@andrex62886 жыл бұрын
My grandfathers fathers brother was one of those brave men
@xaviersaavedra74426 жыл бұрын
Time to Finnish what we started
@michaeldavis46515 жыл бұрын
Finland: the only nation to fight with Germany and win both times.
@torbenjohansen69556 жыл бұрын
at 09:47 you mention that you can eat at the canteen. I have just one question. Has the food improved since ww1?
@shawngilliland2436 жыл бұрын
It must have improved, otherwise, I cannot imagine that the restaurant would be able to stay in business!
@garrisonsgorrillaz16 жыл бұрын
Great editing on this.BTW when are you next in Blighty boys? Saw you at Store Marie's last year.
@michaelrider6 жыл бұрын
So much attention for finland. I feel neglected. Do a special about english cabaret in holland during the great war plz.
@PtolemyJones6 жыл бұрын
Kept expecting to hear that the miller's daughter married one of the Finns...
@rasmusgronholm56772 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather was a in the 27th jäger battalion.
@Ostsol6 жыл бұрын
Interesting how in all of Finland's wars they fought against Russia. WW1, the Finnish civil war (the Reds were supported by the Soviets), the Winter War, and the Continuation War.
@Pikkabuu6 жыл бұрын
"Pannukakka"...I wonder if Indy would like to know what he said with his misspronounciation?
@vonliberte90636 жыл бұрын
So glad you are covering this part of my country´s history! It was thanks to these men and Mannerheim, that we we managed to defeat the communist rebellion. Great episode and keep up the great work Indy!
@icarian5536 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the "communist rebellion" that we got our independence. Whites were trying to make us vassals of Germany by having a German monarch on our throne. Only thing that prevented that was the civil war and the fact that when it ended Germany was losing the Great War.
@zoperxplex6 жыл бұрын
Icarian I wonder what would have happened had the Reds succeeded. Would Finland had ended up in the same manner as Ukraine or the Caucasus federation a republic under the control of the Bolsheviks?
@icarian5536 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but I think Finland got really lucky there. The civil war was needed to prevent us becoming part of Germany. The reds lost which freed us from any Russian control.
@zoperxplex6 жыл бұрын
Icarian So you admit that the victory of the Whites faction was, in the final analysis, beneficial for Finnish history because otherwise your people would have had to wait 73 years before achieving independence.
@icarian5536 жыл бұрын
I don't know what would've happened if Reds had won. It is a fact however that at least some leaders of the Reds had made a deal with Lenin and the Bolsheviks that if Reds win Finland joins Russian federation. So their victory would've been bad. But without war we would've got a German monarch which was bad as well. It's the irony of the Finnish civil war that neither side were actually fighting for the independence of Finland.
@SamuelMTA_Ай бұрын
One of the best friends and the cousin of my great grandfather, Ahti Johannes Karppinen was a jaeger. Both fought together for the whites in Tampere. Never forgotten🫡
@rolandbruno6866 жыл бұрын
Indy! Did you have a Red Bull or a couple cups of coffee prior to recording? You were rattling this off in a frenzy!
@rolandbruno6866 жыл бұрын
I've been on the channel since the beginning. Indy was amped for this one!
@dl43506 жыл бұрын
does anybody know of any books on this subject, it seems quite interesting
@thurin846 жыл бұрын
fascinating story!!!
@wkt59166 жыл бұрын
Hi Indy, I wonder how the soldiers from Finland or Poland fighting for both sides live in the same community after the war? Was there any incidents of violence or hatred against an individual/family who served for Germany army but live in a community which most men die for Russia?
@ttynjala6 жыл бұрын
There weren’t really that many Finns fighting in the imperial Russian army at ww1. Before WW1 Russia tried to impose general conscription in Finland but it was largely seen as yet another act in abolishing Finnish autonomy (as Finland had had an army of its own earlier that had then been disbanded) and large scale passive resistance took place rendering the conscription as a failure. When Ww1 broke the Finns were therefore seen as unreliable by the imperial government and were not conscripted (at least on in any significant numbers). In the officer cadre of the Russian Army there were Finns though such as Gustav E. Mannerheim who later ended up leading the white faction in the civil war thus also leading the Jägers who also fought on the white side. The civil war was such a traumatic and violent event that it pretty much dwarfed any such animosity.
@mikeromadin87446 жыл бұрын
As i know jagers until 1924-25 forced to leave Finnish army service practically all the ex. RIA officers except G.K. Mannerheim, O.K. Enckel and couple of other lads.
@mitro726 жыл бұрын
They still have every year a "Finnentag" in Hohenlocksted. Some photos from 2015: www.flickr.com/photos/103317593@N07/sets/72157650715703760/with/16508314540/
@duarteazevedomendes72996 жыл бұрын
0:53 Can anyone tell where is this poster from?
@nuoksu6 жыл бұрын
It's John Bull and his Friends, a Serio-Comic Map of Europe by Fred W. Rose.
@petrus38016 жыл бұрын
This was inttresting
@Melkerliden6 жыл бұрын
Could you talk about Swedish soldiers in the french army