Everything you need to know about EYE DOMINANCE

Everything you need to know about eye dominance wrapped up in one film. We teamed up with Sports Vision Specialist Ed Lyons and Shooting Coach Ed Solomons to discuss a lot of the myths and truths around eye dominance.
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[@VaBirdHunter]

Ed listing the many causes of dominance issues is one of the most impressive things I’ve seen on the internet

[@oldskooldeano]

There is always so much content in these videos, so much so that it is often hard to take in. However when Ed said ‘I see two barrels when i shoot’, my heart leapt. I am not abnormal, I not a ‘problem’. Yes I know I have issues around mount, fit and technique; my problem can vary from severe to mild according to mount, but just knowing that the sight picture I have is normal is so encouraging.

[@theclayshooter]

The 2 Ed's together explain things like this so very well! I cannot understand why you would go anywhere else!

[@TargetFocusedLife]

Great video. The eyes are way more complex than we often think, but one product to fix all issues would be nice...lol

[@tgsoutdoors]

‘New eyes’ would be a best seller

[@TheSailLoftStudio]

His Harry Hill collar is something to behold

[@johnfly45]

Absolutely fantastic and thought provoking video! A lot of information to absorb, plan to watch it again. Much more indepth discussion of eye dominance and shotgunning than I've come across previously. Thank you!

[@Eryn-Lasgalen]

I had a client come to me with a driven bird issue recently. His optician had told him that eye dominance was a myth. I established that he had strong cross eye dominance to the point that he was leaning his head over the stock to line up his opposite eye. As an occasional game shot who’d never had a lesson, he’d never considered it. Following some coaching having established this, he overcame the issue and reported back that his shooting had improved massively.

[@robclarke7602]

Excellent video. Eye dominance is one of those excuses I hear, and use, regularly. The explanations presented in this video were very well done. Thank you.

[@hammyh1165]

I'll shoot both eyes open on a lot of shots but when it comes to a long deliberate shot I find I shut my left eye , as I find I'll miss more if I don't.. I find these technical videos extremely interesting and both Ed's have helped my shooting , buy getting me to open my mind to trying other things.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Great to hear!

[@Djkbjasper]

Fantastic video chaps,I contacted the 'Eds' over christmas who kindly gave me some advice, after watching the brilliant explaination of the of this subject it's not a one brush covers all solution! will start saving for an appointment as my wife also shoots to a decent level I won't get away with just me going! spot on chaps

[@Mr6Sinner]

4:00 Spider on his collar

[@jasonball171]

Nothing wrong with your eye sight 😂

[@amessad]

Excellence!!!... pure quality my friend!

[@cometroy]

Fantastic video and as I have been told my a lot of shooting coaches one a international champion that I have a strong left eye dominant and I shoot right handed I have tried all the gimmicks without success so this video has helped me so much many as it’s got into my brain now so it’s now trying to chill and relax and not think about my eyes, going to try to squint my left eye and see how I get on 👏👏👏👏👏 thanks again all three of you for fantastic work ❤

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Let us know how you get on!

[@dingbat9801]

Watching this makes me want to fly over the pond for an appointment with Ed Lyons. Just phenomenal!

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Many do - you’d be very welcome!

[@jamesjohnson7905]

I am left handed but i throw with my right hand and i shoot of my right shoulder i cast a fly rod with my right hand .after testing i was told im left eye dominant. Solution for me close left eye went from a 50 % shooter to a 75 to 80% shooter . It's not perfect didn't cost me a penny and it's amazing how fast you adapt

[@fieldsportswithspeed]

Fantastic watch thanks guys! Thank you 👍

[@timothyfisher4614]

Absolutely brilliant, I’ve learnt a hell of a lot this video. Thanks. 👍

[@parrisgeorge9708]

Thanks for a FANTASTIC video! The subject is very timely for me and the information from "The Ed's" is well worth repeat watching.

[@keithmasek2855]

Just a fantastic informative video. Thank you guys.

[@richardnoble3989]

excellent video! A subject close to my heart after having issues with right to left targets. I first noticed after struggling on a round at Grimsthorpe and going back for a session with Mark the owner - we could just not figure out where I was going wrong on a particulat target. After that in a session with a friend on a skeet range I round I could only be consistent on right to left targets by occluding my left eye entirely. After that whilst getting my gun fit checked out using a video and dry-fire system the right to left inconsistency (often missing high and infront) was clear. Finally I settled on using shot spots to slightly occlude the vision in my left eye - noticed the difference especially when Ed S checked out my gun fit and I forgot to put my shooting glasses on - kept mounting under my left eye every so often! Now whether it's a reall eye issue or a technical flaw remains to be resolved but definitely a phenomenon!

[@bbarnes4852]

I’m right handed and shoot on the right but I’m strongly left eye dominant. For shotgun shooting I shot with both eyes open and focus on the target. I also use an Easyhit bead which easily shows me which barrel image to use whilst aiming. For rifle shooting (which I’ve done for longer) and where focus needs to be on the foresight and not the target I use a black blinder over the left eye and even close the left eye completely sometimes to improve image clarity. When I started I was told to use a white or opaque blinder but I’ve found black worked better. What I’ve learnt is that you need to try multiple solutions and see what works best for you and your eyes.

[@matthewcarter2411]

Love this video both Ed's talk so much sense, struggling with what I think is dominance I really need a exam from Ed

[@markfleming1177]

I am right handed but very strong left eye dominant. Luckily as a kid shooting iron sight air rifles I learnt to shoot left handed. So glad I did for the sake of my shotgun shooting. For years I closed my right eye but Sam Grice got me to try shooting both eyes open. Difficult at first and I was frankly a bit annoyed as I only wanted a refresher before the game season but after 1000 clays I decided to stick with it for a season and very glad I did. Helped mostly on dead straight driven birds.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Glad it’s working for you!

[@danielsullivan9865]

There was another aspect to shooting that would make a good video for you guys besides our dominance issues. Balance is a huge problem, especially since long term Covid related issues. Many shooters have disabilities or they’re older, and they have poor balance.

[@bentaylor216]

Excellent, informative video. Thanks.

[@devallish]

I really liked this video and it resonates well with me. I am struggling to progress with my shooting and I feel this kind of help would benefit me massively. My confidence has taken a massive hit recently and am starting to not enjoy shooting. I think I'll try to reset myself and work through as much of the 'home diagnostics' as I can. Already had my wife video me doing the eye dominance tests and gun mounts (much to her amusement).

[@markbennett9043]

Great vid, you 3 stood there same glasses,stood chatting folded arms near groin made me laugh

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

Amazing, I am currently in the process of making a video, from my own experience, to help others, seeing it from a previous sufferer, that has tried numerous options and finally found my complete solution. Agree with everything you say 100%. Damn you for putting it out before me 😂

[@AnthonyNewman-pq3el]

that was very entertaining and informative very enjoyable thank you all ! 👋👋

[@duncnz9128]

know a couple of shooters who have both lost the vision in their shooting eye , both swapped their gun to the other shoulder and both still shoot very well , or at least as well as they did before losing their eye . I also know a guy who is the best all round shot I have ever met , rifle , pistol, clay target and field shooting . He is left handed and right eye dominant and does all his shooting right handed. Loosing the sight in one eye isn't the end of shooting .

[@mhdphotographys9031]

That was quite heavy, but very very interesting right through. Thank you.

[@johnwiles3463]

Excellent, excellent, excellent video.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Thankyou John

[@cgreeneblue]

Thank God somebody finally said this 43:50. I hate the baseball, tennis explanations about doing other things with both eyes open. I always felt this wasn't the same thing at all and made no sense to me.

[@wandofhermes]

I was left handed as kid, but teachers changed the pencil to my right hand. I still kick (for power) with my left foot. I would describe myself as "mainly" right eye dominant. However, on certain shots... when I just can't seem to hit them... I can close down that left eye and bang... start hitting them right away. That's the difficult part. WHEN will this thing rear its head? I was also an avid archer. When shooting traditional (no sights) my left eye would take over about 1 in 50 arrows. The result is ugly with a bow. Rarely even find the arrow. The lower the light (dusk), the more likely it was to strike. Right now, in my analysis, I would say the most probable shots to be problematic are left to right crossers... especially deeper and flat (edge). If the birds are more up in the sky, I don't seem to have as much of a problem it seems (so far). I have gone back and forth with tape or no tape for 2 years. Currently, closing down the left seems to be best for ME. Because the tape seemed to help on a few shots, but frustrated me on most every other stand. Closing down the left is less... intrusive I would call it, but I have only been doing it a few weeks. Now I am working to see if on "those" shots, I just close it down as I am taking the shot rather than on the mount. I guess the point is... I suspect this is quite a variable issue, that will have variable fixes for different shooters. BTW... Is it a myth that this affects more women than men? That's another one I hear as a youth coach.

[@jimzielanski8045]

Jonny, Great video as always. Why don't you talk Ed Solomons into the both of you coming to Montana USA for a visit ? If I ever had a clay coach he would be the one I choose. He is a born instructor at the highest level and presents everything so clearly . Thanks again for the great video and "think about it " ! Slainte, JZ

[@MrPellington]

I have monocular vision by design while not shooting. My left eye sees up close, and my right eye sees distance. I have been doing this setup for over ten years. Of course while shooting I use only distance glasses so I can gain better depth of field. The downside of this has been my eyes fight for dominance, and I struggle to shoot with both eyes open. I compensate for this by squinting my left eye after tracking down the target. This seems to work for me. Great video!

[@p.williamfox6417]

There is a lot of good information in this video. I have the same issue and wear single vision with correction for distance only also and I have found that for me that if I drop the correction I needed by -.25 in the eye I don’t want to be dominant will keep it from interfering with the other eye as much. This has helped me a lot but if you have to have a stronger prescription than I do you may have to adjust more than me. I still see a crisp image but it keeps my dominance to the eye that has the best image even though you can’t really tell it. The tented lens that are used to force eye dominance have exactly the same downside just like they explain in this video. Also I found that brown transitions have worked best for me. You want enough light passing through lenses into eyes to activate cones instead of rods in your eyes. This has a major effect on your ability to instinctively calculate speed for lead.

[@peterbarnett5838]

Amazing video as always,so much information! Now I’m even more confused .🙄

[@chris10699]

I honestly thought I was the only person who sees two perfect shadow barrels when I point the gun at a target. It has take me years to concentrate on the left one (only when using the barrel(s) as a reference that is). 👍 so interesting to hear that I am not alone and it is normal!

[@markhilton2607]

Very interesting 👍 Top work 👌

[@John-uo1qf]

Solomons wins the best hair award! 😊

[@richardmark561]

A bit of masking tape carefully placed on my right side and I’m left handed too, if I shut my left eye then I can’t see the barrels but I can make everything else out, now I at least hit things a lot easier.

[@redlightbulb]

So I have had to train my self to squint with my left eye not fully closed just squint, but this year has been an amazing season iv also tried to relax more not do so much snap shooting ( although it works alot of the time), and push through targets better. As you said technique could be part of the problem. Had a great season this year but it's taken me 3 years to get back to where I was. Before my eye Dom changed.

[@cgreeneblue]

Fantastic video. I hope a lot of experts watch this as there is a lot of good information to consider here. One question I have is: Does having extended chokes that contrast the barrels ( i.e. silver chokes on blued barrels) create more visual confusion / distraction for cross dominant shooters and do you recommend avoiding that setup? I feel like there is a lot going on if somebody has say a mid bead, then different chokes, like there is all kinds of things going on in the "ghost image" to mess you up.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Good question! Not entirely sure how a x dom person may or may not be affected by that set up but I have know some people do it specifically to draw their peripheral attention TO the barrels so they have an increased awareness of where they are

[@davidward2231]

I am right handed and to the best of my knowledge am left eye dominant. I looked at the gadgets but didn’t go for them. I use an opaque 10-15mm sticker in front of my left pupil and it seems to work for me. My lack of talent is certainly not 100% down to my eyes. Would be interested to get an assessment with Mr Lyons to confirm whether I am cross dominant and what to do to help whatever it is!

[@philtimmins2450]

And that is why I went to see both of them.

[@grahambamford9073]

A lot of people seem to think they have eye dominance issues but in reality in my experience its normally gun fit/ gun mount inconsistencies, especially with newer shooters they dont mount the gun the same every time. They usually dont realise this, and then someone mentions "eye dominance" and they assume thats what the have, practice mounting the gun the exact same every time.

[@2ndcornets]

RE. the advert for an all in one tool: I had one of these things. It stripped under load and all the little bits of steel fell out. So in a trice I went from having a "set" of sockets all in one tool to none at all. The old adage "don't put all your eggs in one basket" came to mind.

[@darrenlaithwaite7810]

Hi guys great film, can you up, I am right handed but I am sure I am left eye dominant. When I hold my gun up in front of the mirror my right eye is in line with the rip, but my left eye is looking down the left side of the barrels. I try and put my left thumb on the edge of the fore end to block what my left eye is seeing, or squint for long targets.

[@Sams-valley-life]

Well done

[@tgsoutdoors]

thankyou!

[@guy1234484]

I did the exercise of making a video of myself pointing at my phone’s camera with each arm. Fascinating to see both index fingers come up to just below my right eye.

[@tgsoutdoors]

somewhat comforting!

[@guy1234484]

@@tgsoutdoorsalthough it means my shooting failings can’t be blamed on eye dominance 😂

[@petec1050]

Would love a pair but when I tried a pair of Hiroku 2 at Sporting Targets and the frames were waaaay to narrow for my round melon.

[@K80Ed]

Looking forward to watching people argue with Ed on this…! 👀🤣

[@1valg]

Even though it shouldn´t, it will surprise me if anyone is actually going to question him on this...

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

@@1valgoh…they will 😂

[@jonnycarterfan]

Ralph Cushman (Coach Super-X on shotgun forum) is going to have a good cry over this one

[@guy1234484]

I am sure not one of us was thinking of some of the products produced by certain individuals very active in promoting themselves from about 12mins 30secs on 😂😂

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

​@guy1234484 which product is that?

[@quikie1984]

Absolutely awesome video but can we please get a breath muffler on Mr Lyons, hes giving me the heebeejeebies 😂 Thanks for another great episode 👏

[@Horsepowerimages]

Wish I could afford to have Ed look at my eyes, not from a shooting perspective but because I’ve been told since I was a kid that I don’t see/process distance “normally”

[@ningaloo67]

Love TGS, Can Ed recommend anyone in Australia please. TIA

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Yes indeed, Pierre Elmurr

[@750vfrman]

I wonder if Mr Lyons can help me. Have not read any comments that remotely relate to my eyes. Born, 81 years ago with as far as I can tell two eyes pointing in the same direction. As the eye muscles settled in at age about 2, I developed an alternating squint of 33 degrees. This I suffered with through my teenage years & having arrived in the UK, then 18, took myself off for eye surgery. First eye was operated on with now an improvement to 10 degrees. Asked the surgeon to operate on the other eye. My eyes were then as straight as possible, with a plus 1 degree outward squint. Hurrah. Until I stepped out to catch a bus. Problem was which bus! I had the most awful double vision. All this later improved as the brain made the necessary adjustment. That was 1961. Now I have a pronounced outward Strabismus & off course have never had binocular vision. Both eyes with corrective lens work, but not together. I can switch from one eye to the other. That is the challenge for someone to help me move up from a"C" class shot.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Great case and precisely why all the promises about “eye dominance cures” are such snake oil. I’ll reply to your email this evening

[@keithewing8026]

Compelling deep dive. And regarding targets as 3D presentations: does it ever REALLY matter if it's coming or going? That is, it strikes me that we may indeed see in 3D but shoot more successfully in 2D, that is to say, when we interpret a target's path in 2D. Just as an accomplished illustrator, for instance, does not draw what they know (front, sides, back) but merely what they see in two dimensions. Which explains why most folks can't draw and many of us can't shoot worth a shite. Dunno....

[@zackbutler950]

I would love to hear Ed’s thoughts on amblyopia in one eye.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Happy to discuss it!

[@zackbutler950]

@@edlyonssportsvision9197 we discussed it some on another videos comments.

[@WhiteRoseShooting]

Really clever bloke that Ed! (I’ll not tell you which one) 👀😂

[@chadnolte9134]

Very informative video. Thank you to both Ed’s. Questions for Dr. Ed; in his experience can eye dominance change as someone gets old. Say from a teenager to an adult or even older? I have heard it can, but have not come across someone in person that this has happen to.

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

Until he does answer, I'll chip in. Yes it can, happened to me, I started shooting at about 16, only on and off for about a year, for fun. Started again two years ago and immediately had all the confusion. As I had shot 35 years ago, I knew something wasn't right so looked into it and discovered eye dominance. It can also change throughout the day.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Absolutely it can. Visual input and cortical preference can shift in a transient way through stress, fatigue, hydration levels, blood sugar, hormone levels etc or in a more permanent way through refractive or pathological conditions. There’s a study by Khan and Crawford that have shown it can change on horizontal gaze angle too!!

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

@@AdamsClayPigeonGuide spot on

[@parrisgeorge9708]

My eye dominance shifted several years ago. So yes it can change at least somewhat as we get older.

[@gregorygardner1719]

I can shoot both eyes open on distant targets but when a target is close I struggle to know what barrel of the two I see is the proper barrel. I’m right handed and I shoot right. A low house on station one of skeet I miss repeatedly when shooting both eyes. Throw me a big batue from either direction I crush them. I hate wearing a dot but it seems to be my only fix when shooting close skeet targets. I think I’m certainly real eye dominate but I can’t be sure.

[@FeathersAreForSissies]

Good video. I've watched several videos on eye dominance and I've not yet seen one describing my particular issue. When shooting with both eyes open I do not see two barrels. What I do see is a side view of the barrels as picked up by my off eye. Typical cross dominance issue, right? Trouble is, if I switch shoulders (I'm equally comfortable shooting right or left handed), my other off eye picks up the side view as well. It seems that whichever side I shoot from my brain picks the side view as its default. Whether shooting right or left handed, if I close or squint my off eye, my shooting eye is looking directly down the rib at the target as it should. So far, my best solution is to close one eye and I am working on keeping both eyes open until the target flashes and then squinting the off eye to actually aquire it. The transition between two eyes open and one eye can be problematic though.

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

I am in the process of making a video based on my own experience and showing "first person perspective". I'm not a professional filmmaker but think it needs showing and will hopefully help others, by showing techniques and gadgets that I've tried. I'm going to try and get it finished this week.

[@gpmerrill]

I wish there was someone like Ed Lyons in the US!

[@kylesteffen8719]

There is , Dr Richard Colo

[@bb5242]

I'm going round and round with this with my son, who is right handed but apparently left-eye dominant, although not strongly. He's currently shooting trap left-handed, he has tape over his right eye on his shooting safety glasses. I don't think we have this completely figured out, but his scores have gone up to 15 from basically zero. So...progress. I should add: it's hard to nail down a technique/vision problem since we also had poi and load issues--the gun loves 7.5 but not 8 shot, for one.

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

If he is truly left eye dominant and now shooting off his left shoulder, you shouldn't really need to put tape over his right eye, unless he has confusion with the sight picture or isn't truly dominant as suggested. If he hadn't swapped shoulders, then he would normally have had to tape his left (the dominant eye) to stop it taking over. Have you consulted an instructor and are they genuinely an expert on eye dominance? When you are cross dominant, the main issue, is that you have no connection with where the gun is pointing, as the brain isn't receiving the image from the eye that is over the rib of the gun.

[@abdulnewman1095]

Hi John, can you please give me your opinion about Fair master trap🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@user-wg8cb8mh7p]

Hi Ed, I’ve been shooting for nearly 30 years and was told by my uncle I needed 45:59 to close an eye, so always have done. Having done some of the eye dominance tests I am left eye dominant but shoot off my right shoulder. However, just recently I have started shooting with both eyes open and although at first the picture looked strange the results have been ok. Also if I focus on something in the distance with my gun in my shoulder and then close my eye I am bang on it. On the other hand with driven targets, as you say in the video, I am up the left hand side of them. Do you think it’s worth persisting with it and find what works or am I best to go back to closing an eye? Thanks

[@K80Ed]

My view would be your left eye obviously isn’t causing issues on every target which is pretty common. If as you say when you close your eye the gun stays on target it is causing zero issue there so you other eye is dominant. On driven you find the “off” eye has a better view of the clay so often dominance will switch. In this instance, I’d shut the eye. Where it causes a problem, address the problem. Where there is no problem, keep both open.

[@user-wg8cb8mh7p]

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.👍🏽

[@simonrodgers9105]

Superb, you could spend 2 years at medical school and not learn so much as in this video. Well done to all....Spiffing...

[@paulwilson7234]

A lot of food for thought.

[@grahamsimpkins1540]

That was very interesting ! my left eye has been kicking in when I be shooting and my score have drop 10 % over the last 3 months When I close my left eye, my score card improves It very odd !

[@tgsoutdoors]

perhaps a new prescription, or just close the eye!

[@grahamsimpkins1540]

@@tgsoutdoors going with the one eye option

[@AshtonClarke-lm3de]

Would love to see you guys do an American duck hunt

[@mbell7860]

Just when you think something is simple.

[@the45er]

I'd like to know whether or not a $500-600 set of PIlla shooting glasses REALLY gives improved visual acuity over a < $200 set of Ranger or Decot or similar make of glasses? Certainly folks that pay that kind of money think they do, and that's great. But I'm asking if that improvement is REAL or PERCIEVED?

[@blodninja]

It seems that it is only the eye doctor that has shooting glasses that properly fits him. For John and Ed the earpiece seems way high, and the earpiece on Ed` seems way wide to.

[@K80Ed]

Mine are adjusted like that to keep them sitting high on my head and prevent them falling off my tiny shrew like nose. That’s why they are made adjustable

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

Just a couple of questions; 13:07 Which one single product/person are you talking about? Because I'm not sure that I've seen anybody say that. Then, 20:50 which instructor said shoot quicker because I was told that by one instructor and it certainly didn't work for me either. Indeed, another instructor afterwards, told me to slow down and it worked.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

There’s a few that have made that claim - have a Google or a trawl on some of the forums (but beware, the latter places can be dumpster fires 😂)

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

​@edlyonssportsvision9197 Might be the one that blocked me after I called him out on his BS

[@batmantiss]

When I can afford shells again, I can try out some different techniques. Until then...

[@bitore62]

Do you have any Dr.s here in the states that can help ??? I have flip flop dominance. Have had this issue since I was young. Was a gift for 30 years of hocky. But shooting is a different story. I shoot trap, and a 22 average shooter. My eye Dr. Helped me by making a pair of shooting glasses with my left eye one diopter low. I can say it did help, but the blurry vision is sometimes annoying. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ps. I'm 61 years old and have Astigmatism in my right eye., from a lazy eye lid

[@kylesteffen8719]

Dr Richard Colo

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

@@kylesteffen8719Rich is awesome 🙌

[@juanjoyarzaamondarain9266]

Que marca de gafas son las que llevan esta gente?

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Most of us are wearing Hiroki2 by Edwards Eyewear, and Dan is wearing Pilla Outlaws which are an awesome clay shooting product!

[@AndyWalker25]

Really curious on this topic. I used to shoot with one eye closed and shoot right handed. Went to a shooting school who said I’m left eye dominate and wanting me to shoot with both eyes open. My shooting is worse. Now transitioned me to shooting left handed also, hitting more on the left with both eyes but ultimately less than shooting right handed with one eyed closed. What’s the answer here… can you be a good shooter with an eye closed??

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

Simple answer yes you can shoot one eye closed, especially if you shoot better. Unfortunately, a lot of instructors only have a limited knowledge on the subject. Swapping shoulders is possibly the best option for a lot of people. However, it isn't the best for everybody, you have to find that is best for you and that may mean a lot of trial and error. Have you looked at occluding the left eye or different beads? These are other options. You maybe able to find something, to still shoot right handed and with both eyes open.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

You can be a World Champ or Olympic Medallist with one eye closed/patched absolutely. Ignore the BS artists and find what works for you!

[@StikkyWood]

Does anyone know of an optician in Australia or even the South East Queensland area that has some clue about prescribing eyewear for shooting?

[@Bunduki]

Hi Your local OPSM should be able to help you , they are qualified Optometrist, with all the proper equipment to test your eyes & come up with a result to help you, my local OPSM deals with a lot of shooters with eye issues from our local gun clubs. Give them a try, you might be pleasantly surprised.

[@StikkyWood]

Thanks@@Bunduki. I didn't have a great experience at my local OPSM. They tried, but the knowledge and the product just wasn't there. It comes down to the individual practitioner.

[@1valg]

You have an answer in the comments. A specifik name.

[@StikkyWood]

Thanks@@1valg . Unfortunately Pierre Elmurr is 900+ km from me. Worth a phone call though.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

Pierre Elmurr is very good!

[@twinpotracer]

*cough Cyril Brewster

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

I went to the ground where he "teaches" the other day. No wonder he's deluded, you could catch his tennis ball easily from one side to the other of the ground. One or two targets needed two foot of lead tops, most 6 inches. There are about 6 stands, that occupy the space of one stand on a decent comp layout. I was tempted to ask my mate, to press the B button on stand 2 so I could shoot it from stand 6. Not knocking the ground at all, they had a good variety with the space they have but you can't use those stands, to back up a poor argument over "The Natural Shit"

[@twinpotracer]

@@AdamsClayPigeonGuide so In such a small area, it's obvious his own ideas will work.. literally shooting clays in a barrel. The guy needs industry roasting, he's a complete scammer and targets first timers or people on a day out.

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

@@twinpotracer Exactly that, any technique will work, my mate has only shot about 500 shells and he can hit just about everything there. Most shooters could get the beginners he bewilders to hit the targets that they have. Once again, not knocking the ground, they were friendly and they can only do so much with the land available. I affectionately liken my local club to a pitch and putt par 3 golf course but where he works is a lot smaller. There's a video of his awful teaching with a young lad, he is leaning so far back anticipating the recoil bless him and Cyril clearly hasn't corrected him. You'll find it if you search Millride shooting on YT. The area you see on that video is just about the whole ground of about 8 or 9 stands maybe?

[@matthewdeepblue]

Yeah I'm going to have to watch this in detail tonight after work. My left eye sucks, Am I right Eye is really really good. Because it compensates for the other. And I bought a classic doubles 101... And I can't shoot it for hell.

[@TM-gh5lx]

Do you need the big glasses to be part of the club?

[@colinblance7271]

Did anyone else notice the spider crawling down the back of Ed Lyons’ collar at around 4mins? 🤔

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

That’s Dennis - he tells me what to say

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

​Sounds like a totally different dominance issue​@@edlyonssportsvision9197

[@colinblance7271]

@@edlyonssportsvision9197 Brilliant!🤭

[@dandylion1987]

What! My mum says I have nice eyes 😢

[@original5065]

Translated: you can't fix this yourself. Give us your money 😂

[@CraigK80]

Very true, also a smorgasbord of glasses on display with one guy actually wearing 2 at once 😂 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

No this was legitimate advice granted targeted at products and services placement. However the information was excellent.

[@CraigK80]

@@MinimumSpeedOperator no, nobody said it wasn’t legit advice? Let’s put it another way, Ed Solomons and J carter are other fantastic, been following (and met) these pair for years now….. 😉

[@original5065]

@@MinimumSpeedOperator Yeah, fair enough it is good information, I was just poking fun at the hard sell, which grates on me.

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

@@original5065 definitely I get that. They were making great points but certainly an advertising video for sure!

[@grahamshepherd4847]

BOOM!

[@user-by7pn8wy4z]

The irony of an eye specialist looking to establish marketing authority by discussing myths who actually believes in the biggest myth of all time, and who cannot even see with his own eyes what he is living in and who thinks the sea is not level and that the seas curve around a ball! To use your own words Mr Lyons, you try to prove yourself wrong by reading findings of other peoples' studies for your optician work, and this has helped develop your expertise as an optician then I suggest you apply that to an important reality instead of spouting your programming. On the basis of your disparaging and unnecessary comment about "those who think the earth is flat" you clearly believe in the biggest myth of all time 'Ball Earth Theory' AKA 'Globe' (yes its still a theory) - something that has never been proven and never will be as water always finds its level (clue). If you were to apply your stated research approach and have the spuds to take on the FE challenge then you will find that there are no proofs of a ball earth only lots of photoshop images and you will find thousands of very obvious FE proofs. As a topical example (guns and optics), the US Navy's Sea Sparrow Gun has 'painted' a target with its laser over 50 miles away (what is the key property of a laser? (Straight). How is this an example? Well, because if the official ball earth theory were true it would not be possible to paint a target at that distance. Another proof is the Suez canal which has no locks and is 100 miles long, if water miraculously curved around your spinning ball then there should be a curvature of 6,666 feet but no its level. For someone who apparently 'researches', that obnoxious sounding comment you made tells me that you clearly are not paying attention. And to denigrate or dismiss a group of diligent people who fully research the truth without researching your own findings first, is the height of ignorance. Apart from that, great content from TGSO as usual, and some good eye issue explanations too. Maybe TGSO can get Ed Lyons to do a follow up video explaining to us all how we can hit anything at all if we live on a ball spinning at hundreds of miles an hour?

[@K80Ed]

Let us know when you lose your virginity, I’ll send you a free hat.

[@AdamsClayPigeonGuide]

​@K80Ed Will you be putting the tin foil lining in or will they have to do that themselves?

[@genghishank1]

made a new account just to post this, eh?

[@guy1234484]

This is hilarious 🤣

[@burmaconda]

Thanks for this. I haven’t laughed so much in ages.

[@K80Ed]

My eyes are pies, but yours are lies…

[@tgsoutdoors]

you ok hun?

[@horacerumpole9263]

My mate Snake Plissken has none of these issues🥸

[@K80Ed]

A good job as snakes are notoriously hard to fit spectacles to.

[@russelllevan3878]

Possibly a very interesting vid, but I can't watch when a well over 50 year old is wearing a suit jacket with shorts and a Harry Hill collared shirt. Unsubsribe.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

I’m 73 and they’re both hand made custom items which I wear once and then burn. Watch to the end and you may learn a bit. If you simply can’t stand it, it’s “unsubsCribe” so you’ve at least departed slightly educationally richer than you arrived 😉

[@StikkyWood]

Is your depth perception that shallow?

[@russelllevan3878]

@edlyonssportsvision9197 I'd get you're money back. Mind you with extortionate prices for your glssses, hand made is not a surprise, I do also. Shame, as I used to really enjoy Jonnys videos.

[@edlyonssportsvision9197]

@@russelllevan3878 thought you’d flounced off? You’ll be truly missed when you can muster the courage to leave. Oh, and just because something is out of your budget doesn’t make it extortionate 😉

[@K80Ed]

@@russelllevan3878*your *glasses