Here be Dragons - Mythillogical Podcast

[@aidanmagill6769]

"we're not experts" Here hang on a minute, does that mean there IS such a thing as a dragon expert? Why wasn't I told that was a potential career path at school?

[@blubonnet4126]

#Truth

[@richardputz3233]

It’s very expensive ! The dissections alone can almost kill you .Don’t be cheap when spending on your school uniform ,it’s most important to get flame proof rather than flame resistant .

[@joannaoconnor9418]

You clearly haven’t seen Harry Potter then 😝

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Most school Guidance Counselors are unaware of the option. You can always enroll now.

[@lcmiracle]

I myself have the right to grant a B.S. degree of Dragonology, apply on my website for just $200,000 per semester. BTW the degree is only useful for applying for the study of a doctorate, which I, too, happen to offer for just $1,000,000 for a 3-semester course, all fully online!

[@TheHistocrat]

We had a bit of a problem with an echo on one of the mics, I've attempted to edit around this as best I could. Rest assured this will be fixed in any future episodes.

[@treering8228]

Brother Jake's Reconnaissance it’s a play on words obviously

[@bardmadsen6956]

Dragons are from the sky and space which is visible universally as comets and bolides. Yesterday I was looking up feathered dinosaurs and avialae as a search term brings up 80% what use to be underground comic smut. I would suggest reading my book, follow the avatar. The UK still can not move around? I have been waiting for more Sir James George Frazer from the UK, wonder if it is still there. The ancients used words of water, sea, pond, ocean,etc. for the heavens. The sea monsters are not in the terrestrial water. The seven heads represent the Pleiades wherein the destruction emanated from to blot out the Sun, such as Apollo and Typhon. Seems Wikipedia has it half right Apollo is allude to as the Sun yet Typhon, I don't know...

[@DogFoxHybrid]

45:00 I'm not surprised that My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is mentioned in regard to the Chaoskampf because it hits the idea pretty squarely on the nose in the second season with the main characters facing off against Discord, who is described as a Draconequs but combines multiple animal parts and has the general shape of a dragon. Discord is the embodiment of chaos, but rather than an animalistic and destructive entity, he is a trickster god that takes great pleasure in playing with the protagonists. Also, of note, is that when he is defeated, he eventually becomes a friend and ally to the main characters.

[@PassionPossum]

This came right at the right time for me. I've been recently studying dragons myself, focusing more on the Sumerian and Greek tales of Dragons. Thank you so much for this wonderful, rich dialogue!

[@strider04]

All of Tolkien's qoutes about dragons are great.

[@realmcgoy1353]

I never hear these from Tolkien.. hmm, mabe u list some of best ones for the plebs can enjoy..? :)

[@karamlevi]

Real McGoy seriously yes 😎🍻👌

[@Hadoken.]

Tolkien sucks man. And is also a hack. But then again what else could one expect from a imperialist Brit nostalgic of 18th century Tory Teagardens?

[@atillathehungry3145]

What shall we do tonight Apep? Same thing we do every night Pinky, try to kill Ra. Its Pinky and the Apep, Apep , Apep.

[@YBnormal1337]

I'm just gonna make this abundantly clear. I haven't even finished the Druid video. I'm starting this video. The music alone and the length of the video had me immediately scrolling down to sub. I love this channel. Thank you for existing, I hope you grow exponentially.

[@alicelongtin1629]

ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS. thank you so much, I'm so excited to see where this podcast goes

[@alexandruianu8432]

31:30 - Not unusual at all, since Seth was not a villain. He was a god of storms, the desert, and violence, but like all gods in the Egyptian pantheon, they all supposed to fundamentally uphold Ma'at in someway. The feud between Seth and Heru (Horus) is even resolved eventually in the myths. Seth was only vilified after the New Kingdom because of his association with invading foreigners, but even then, in some parts, there were cults were he was a hero god. Later on, Greek mystery cults and Zoroastrian influence completed the association with Apep (which was a primordial force, rather than a specifically a god, in opposition to Ma'at). Apep is rather interesting, since it might be the inspiration for equating the serpent in the garden with Lucifer. 1:23:00 - Interestingly, the dragon of Romanian mythology (Balaur - IPA [ba'la.ur]) is effectively a Hydra, given a different origin story as a magically mutated snake (many variations, some including a magic trinket or crystal), where a very mundane snake (like the common viper) withdraws to its lair and magically metamorphoses into a Balaur.

[@brunopereira6789]

I'm not sure if Apep directly inspired the serpent in Genesis being the Devil - I think it's more likely to be a general meme of equating serpents/dragons with primordial evil and chaos. In this way, Apep, Typhon, Tiamat, Echidna, Leviathan, Jormungandr and the Genesis serpent all share a prehistoric concept.

[@alexandruianu8432]

@@brunopereira6789 Oh, sure, the basic association is ancient but I was referring to the specific association between the snake in Eden (a throwaway character originally), and Satan (The Adversary, another throwaway character in Job). They got mixed into later developments in Judaism, possibly under Kemetic influence.

[@brunopereira6789]

@@alexandruianu8432 what does 'kemetic' refer to?

[@alexandruianu8432]

@@brunopereira6789 Kemet (km.t) = Ancient Egypt.

[@brunopereira6789]

@@alexandruianu8432 ah yes, lol, I should've caught that

[@kj6bbs]

I could totally imagine an opportunistic traveling knight stumbling upon a dinosaur fossil/bones, and claiming it as if it was his kill.

[@andybeans5790]

Fossils tend to be inside rocks though

[@notinspectorgadget]

@@andybeans5790 and ya know. they're *DEEP* underground.

[@HoveringAboveMyself]

@@notinspectorgadget Not really, most fossils are only found because they are partially exposed in the surface in some way. However, identifying dinosaur fossils as former bones is hard for non-experts today let alone Pre-scientific people, there's plenty of examples of how bad they were at identifiying relatively recent stuff that still looks like bone.

[@kibnob]

@@HoveringAboveMyself link to examples? Interested

[@enriquehartmann8642]

Hell yeah I'd do it. Especially if I found the fossil in some crazy way. For example an earth quake moving the dirt and revealing a dino fossil. Then I would be like: " You know that racket that shook the ground? It was the dragon I fought and slayed. See (me holding up the biggest bone i could find and tie to my horse) here's a leg bone ! "

[@kidohchi]

I originally watched this before you had pictures. Now re-watching.., much, much better

[@massivedamagegaming9004]

40:50 Celtic languages ARE Indo-European languages. The only non Indo-European languages in europe are Magyar, Finnish, and Basque.

[@hazenoki628]

There are a few more Uralic languages in Europe besides Magyar and Finnish, such as the Sámi languages and Estonian. There are also some Turkic languages (primarily in Russia and the European part of Turkey), Maltese (descended from Arabic and as such a Semitic language) and a few other assorted non-IE languages depending on where you consider Europe to end. If we're talking only majority languages of a country considered to be wholly in Europe it's just Finnish, Estonian, Magyar and Maltese I guess.

[@theJellyjoker]

I live in a land of Dragons, we call them gators down here.

[@Beansareamagicalfruit]

Louisiana myself, many dragons to be CHOOTEM'd lol

[@bigredwolf6]

We turn dragons into chili

[@janeck.8695]

From mythology to fairy tales, I remember that dragons required one virgin maiden per year for dinner. Hope you have ample supply. Of maidens, not dragons.

[@slapandtickle4531]

I know what you mean; Floridian here. 😅

[@BarbaraRademacher]

@@janeck.8695 Virgins are much harder to find these days.

[@LilliamSlasher]

i dont know why you found the my little pony reference so outlanfish. in that cartoon there was a trickster god/dragon character who personified chaos. so it does make sense. pop culture is today's mythology. the myth of the chaos serpent/dragon vs the warrior sky god just mirrors the passage from a hunter/gatherer society to an agricultural one. the hunter/gatherer religion was centered around a goddess of fertility/death associated to the figure of the snake (symbol of life-death cycle). later with human society turning agricultural, the figure of the warrior (needed to protect the land from invaders) became so important that the father of the sky-warrior god was created. because the old earth goddess/chaos snake wasn't worshipped anymore, she became the enemy of the sky warrior god.

[@piratewhoisquiet]

I found out about your channel by being recommended your video on the Druids, and am now really sad that part two isn't up yet. This will certainly do in the meantime. Keep up the great work!

[@enriquehartmann8642]

My first exposure to dragons was from the cartoon, "Puff the Magic Dragon" lol .

[@BIATEC88]

What thats a cartoon. Since when I know it's a song

[@enriquehartmann8642]

@@BIATEC88 oh man, i think early to mid 80's. It is cartoon-movie.

[@BIATEC88]

@@enriquehartmann8642 🤔 have you seen flight of dragons. If not and you like fantasy check it out. It is a book but also a cartoon from around the same time. It's got some good ideas in it making it more than a simple child's cartoon.

[@helendunn9905]

No harm in a little Puff 😂😂😂

[@Crossark1]

The other entities in Chinese mythology aren’t dragons, with the exception of the Azure Dragon. There’s the Vermilion Bird, the White Tiger, and the Black Tortoise.

[@ridleyroid9060]

Quing long is the azure dragon right? SMT has taught me something

[@WetWillis]

"y-yeah that's my assumption just from looking at the title...that it teaches good values for children" *cough* *adjusts collar*

[@MuscarV2]

@@Archangelm127 And anyone that has anything against anyone being a nerd needs to chill too. It's not the 1970s anymore, and it was never a cool way to think anyway. Many people just don't have the mental capacity for even basic hobbies and can't accept that they're dumb so they bully the people that have real interests and are able to understand and learn things.

[@NinjaCatGreen]

True, but with that mindset, you can't blame someone for being a little off-put by an adult male writing a doctorate thesis that uses a children's show as a major reference.

[@DepressedDiego]

It's less about being a nerd and more about being a brony.

[@OffRampTourist]

My first dragon was from the front cover of the 1st book I ever chose for myself. It was full of beautiful illustrations including 2 dragons pulling the conveyance of the powerful magical godmother who softened Sleeping Beauty's curse. The 2nd dragon was the jewelled animated version from a George Pal film. So to me they are first and foremost creatures of great beauty.

[@swahamchakraborty7990]

The connection between the Greeks and Phoenicians is that the Greek alphabet originated from the Phoenician writing system after the Greeks came out of their Dark Age.( Before the Bronze Age Collapse the Myceneans used the Linear B script, but they are seen as pre-Greeks to the Indo-European Greeks, though the ancient Hellenic Greeks presented their civilization as the successor and descendant of the Mycenean civilization.)

[@swahamchakraborty7990]

A little correction- The Mycenaeans were Indo-Europeans.

[@TheEbrithil2]

Humans transforming into dragons is a very common occurence in Germanic mythology, especially Icelandic sagas. Also if you want West African Chaoskampf adjacent myths, I think the Bayajidda myth and the Dausi epic are a bit of a fit. No thunder god, but definitely a dragon guarding the water.

[@b0b0-]

Tornadoes. It's that simple. If you've ever seen one in person you'd think serpent from the sky breathing smoke. Seems alive, it is incredible.

[@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598]

I've always thought so.

[@npalmi88]

In the middle ages and prior, there were komodo dragon type creatures in Europe and Asia. They were probably an evolutionary offshoot of the komodo. I don't have to prove this. It came to me in a dream.

[@pmcg534]

Thank you for not putting ads in the middle

[@Checobeep]

Great talk. One thing you seem to have gotten hung up on is the seeming impossibility of the dragon stories, or those with shared motifs, such as the consumption and rescue of the solar character from the belly of the beast, usurper kings threatened by the true heir/true king etc, being directly transmitted by cultural contact due to the physical barriers of distance and location between these peoples. Maybe the solution is that these stories are based on foundations far, far earlier than even ancient antiquity, perhaps in mythology dating from before the Japanese Paleolithic,, that is, the colonisation of what is now Japan. This would indicate these themes are very ancient indeed. This might seem unlikely. However, given the longevity of myths among the Indigenous Australian peoples which apparently do record actual events such as sea level changes as much as 18,000 years ago, maybe not so unlikely. Naturally such ideas are controversial, but without resorting to speculative woo such as the collective unconscious or genetic memory, the hypothesis with least assumptions seems to be that these themes arise from a common shared cultural origin, perhaps among the early modern human groups as they began to spread into central Asia from North Africa. Worth thinking about? No idea. Cheers.

[@thenotchosen]

We had giants in pre flood history so why not dragon's

[@shiningbearable]

the earth is dragon carcasses

[@shiningbearable]

and we are the maggots upon these rotting carcasses

[@kibnob]

Dog guarding the underworld mytheme is present in native American legends, apparently some serious scholars think it might share a common origin with eg Cerberus. So not impossible but you'd need strong evidence to distinguish this from a convergent mythology evolving from essential human psychological traits

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

You saying that the dragons retreated into the hollow earth with all their magic conveniently with zero physical trace of them at all? Makes sense to me

[@RobinHood-tw4se]

The Proto-Indo-Europeans did migrate into the east, as far as modern China. The Afanasievo culture is an example of this and possibly the earliest example (dating around 3300 BCE - 2500 BCE). Many archaeologists believe that these people or a related-group brought metal weaponry and the chariot from the West into China. So, this could explain any dragon-relations. Great video by the way!

[@Sara-lm8zv]

Why not My Little Pony? And yes the episodes teach how to solve issues in unique and friendly way.

[@brunopereira6789]

I wonder if the Sun god (Apollo) fighting a serpent (Python) has any relation to the Sun god (Ra) fighting a serpent (Apophis)

[@rvfiasco]

Nice Final Fantasy drop with Tiamat. Also; the Simon version of the Necronomicon references Sumerian Deities as well. Digging this series & love this channel!

[@sacha8763]

My first encounter with dragons was probably in the tales of Earthsea.

[@TheHistocrat]

This podcast is now also available on Spotify, iTunes and Stitcher! You can find them at the links below: Spotify - open.spotify.com/episode/0uXwusVOJB6tHStHmBmTvi iTunes - podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/here-be-dragons/id1514656609?i=1000475338133 Stitcher - www.stitcher.com/podcast/mythillogical-podcast/e/76743007

[@joemoer1]

Love your work👍🏻👍🏻

[@UnkleKnuck]

Great video, looking forward to your podcast on the floods. You guys should do something in regards to the Greek Eleusinian Mysteries!

[@davidbryden7904]

I'd image that a 23-foot saltwater crocodile would look like a sea serpent to early mariners.

[@yensid4294]

One of the theories I heard was that a dragon was basically an amalgamation of all the predators that would have been most feared by our primate ancesters living out on the African savanah. Big cats, snakes, large carnivorous reptiles like crocodiles & large raptors were all a constant threat to a small ape. The other less "evo psyche" theory is that to many ancient peoples both snakes & birds became spiritual symbols. Snakes because they shed their skin & became associated with transformation & rebirth, birds because they soar in the sky & that is where the gods live. So, if you combine the two you get a very special symbol/animal. Both theories are interesting. The reason Dragons most likely are more "malevolant" in the west is probably because of their association to serpants & paganism. Once Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe, all things serpentine were considered Satanic. The myth of St. Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland was a euphemisn for converting the pagans. I assume the story of St.George killing the dragon is essentially a parable about overcoming evil/satan or the dragon represented non Christian enemies (crusades) But from what you discussed in the podcast, there are many examples of a warrior archetype killing a serpent throughout pre christian history too. So maybe it's not that unusual for dragons/serpents to be more malevolant/monstrous/antaginistic in some traditions & Christianity just adopted a motif that already existed. Dragons are also associated with comets & meteors. This symbolism & allegory was used heavily in ASOIAF( Game of Thrones) Really cool podcast. Can't wait for part 2 ☄🐲🐉

[@cylesmith8291]

6:30 My first experience with dragons was because my dad had a collection of some really bad ass east asian dragon statues (you know, the ones posed on a rocky crag with one paw on a marble orb, looking slender without wings). I remember that we had an artist doing body painting at the daycare I went to growing up doing free body paintings (like face or hands, nothing creepy). Mind you this is, like, San Rafael in 1993, Toothless didn't exist yet and Lord of the Rings wasn't very widespread. This artist asked me what I would want painted on me and I told her I wanted a dragon. She painted on my forearm this totally Pete and the Dragon doofy-looking, winged lizard and I was so embarrassed I hid up in the playground the entire day.

[@FidesAla]

I grew up around adults who loved musicals, so I watched a lot of Disney and non-Disney, so mine was probably Maleficent, or that... that one movie called Quest for Camelot. Were there other Arthurian movies for kids in the '90's? Did Disney's Arthur movie (The Sword in the Stone) have a dragon? Did Fantasia? I remember being in kindergarten and sorting out the differences between dragons and dinosaurs... I read the Hobbit when I was 7 and hated it, reread it as an adult and still hated it. Go ahead and burn me at the stake, I don't like Tolkien.

[@helenberrios4921]

I made up my own dragon in my head

[@cnacma]

It’s criminal that this channel only has 65k subs. I spend hours watching these videos and they’re so well done. They also go deep into tough subjects that actually take research that other youtubers ignore. Does historcrat have a Patreon?

[@bobbygrossman4444]

yes go to his about section

[@mistymessages]

I was 30 years old. I had went into a vision after a traumatic event. In my vision I went to a therapist to remove stress. I read some ancient scroll. It was in an unknown language. As I read it though it came through as my native language. As I reached the last sentence myself and the therapist dropped into the ocean. We landed in a white row boat after dark in moon light. Startled I asked the therapist, “where are we?” She replies, “I don’t know, you brought us here!” In that moment a Deep Masculine Voice that move the blood in my veins spoke, “You’re not welcome here!” And the therapist was gone!! I was scared I turned looking for the voice and huge dragon head came out of the water….. No more words spoken. As the dragon moved the ocean and my row boat moved with him. We came to land, everything burning people screaming. I had a choice to run away or follow the dragon. I was mad at the dragon. I blamed him in my head for the destruction. As I followed him we came to a tree. He turned himself into a snake 🐍. We dropped into the tree slowly drifting down into the glowing golden roots. Here I began to battle him at first. Out of nowhere I knew he was not to blame the world was in chaos created by fear of man’s mind. He spoke as I was having the realization, “ Stop fighting me, I am you, you are me, we are one!” I felt so much love and compassion come over me. I immediately stopped battling the dragon. And approached him in the highest love ❤️ compassion. I climbed into him. Became one and come out of hypnosis.

[@Waterislifelife]

I can relate to this almost 100. Thank you for sharing. Made a big difference to my world. And beautifully written by the way

[@wendychavez5348]

This is so comprehensive, and I look forward to Part II with bated breath!

[@captainidiot4301]

Imagine being the first guy to find a pterosaur fossil

[@draconiannutter3488]

Fascinating video. Stumbled across your channel randomly but defo a huge fan now. I Love dragons ^_^

[@ronitroy0001]

Haven't clicked this fast on a youtube video ever! Your organization and exposition of topics is unparalleled. Love you dude!

[@BarbaraRademacher]

I have never read through the comment section for ANY video. I feel like I would like all of you.

[@pelewads]

The original inhabitants of norther Japan, came from Russia. I'm referring to the Ainu. But this was prehistory,so.......

[@ru.lo.4904]

Keep going

[@Waterislifelife]

The Ainu originated from Africa, and they were black and migrated to Japan.

[@steveholton4130]

OK, boys, my very first encounter with a dragon was in 1963 when I was 15 and Peter, Paul and Mary gave birth to "Puff the Magic Dragon". Don't WE ALL Know that a dragon is simply A Dinosaur that is Suffering from GERD (GastroEsophogeal Reflux Disease) and ignites the expelled gastric gases by looking at them cross-eyed. sdh in CT, USA

[@achuliankei1240]

Same here but about thirty five years after you when I was three or four thanks to my grandma.

[@charsback]

For Me it was the late Seventies...We used to smoke this stuff called blue dragon...

[@BarbaraRademacher]

And, perhaps, said dragons fly by igniting the gases from their behinds?

[@BarbaraRademacher]

I first heard "Puff, the Magic Dragon" when I was in my middle teens; I cried every time I heard (and hear) it. Forget the real meaning - I think the tale is a sad one.

[@getsaucedon9313]

THIS IS AMAZING I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!

[@tracey2910]

My first memory of a dragon was in a dream at five years old.

[@tracey2910]

To the person who liked my comment, did u ever have dreams of dragons too.?? This was also a recurring dream. I'm using the word Dream here but I should probably be saying Nightmare. And the Dragon was purple by the way.

[@ryuugureen4969]

Two videos in a week? You're spoiling us!

[@VEDADDY_OFFICIAL]

Am loving this podcast. Subscribed

[@shadowmihaiu]

Essential work - here in L.A., podcasts, news programs, journalism and those services required for such are specifically set out in the government's emergency order as "essential services". In the home of Hollywood/Burbank, that might be understandable. Really like the topic - my family name is Dragu, a Romanian variant for Dragon.

[@dirtypure2023]

Good stuff! If you guys are interested in the origins of mythology and mythological figures (especially Greek gods but also including dragons, petroglyphs, and other ancient lore, symbols, and art), I would highly, HIGHLY recommend a documentary called Symbols of an Alien Sky (nothing whatsoever to do with extraterrestrials, by the way). It offers an alternative hypothesis for how these myths and legends are rooted in a shared experience by ancient peoples across the globe, which they interpreted as gods and later anthropomorphized into mythology. The evidence for this is very, very compelling and it's all in the documentary. It can be found here on KZbin on the channel Thunderbolts Project. I expect you guys will do a pod on Greek mythology at some point so please give it a watch before then if you have time. It's absolutely worth the time, and in my opinion should be seen by anyone fascinated by ancient history and the origins of our symbols and mythology. Cheers!

[@kimwarburton8490]

ohh younger dryas stuff included me hopes

[@TheEvolver311]

Terrible recommendation

[@FidesAla]

1:03:12 -- if you've ever heard the names Genbu, Seiryuu, Suzaku, Byakko, those are the Japanese names for those deities. Genbu is a turtle (sometimes a dragon-like turtle), Seiryuu is a dragon, Suzaku is a firebird (not the same as a phoenix, and Asian and European phoenixes are already different), Byakko is a white tiger. These come up in a lot of anime, etc., both as gods (Fushigi Yugi, Tsukino Empire), and as names for characters (e.g. one of the main characters in Code Geass is Suzaku, and his father's name is Genbu). Also, if you've ever seen an anime character with the name Kusanagi (e.g. in Ghost in the Shell), that name comes from the sword that Susano'o got out of the dragon after killing it.

[@AlexiusRedwood]

I'm starting to love this channel keep it up bruddah

[@joelkurowski7129]

21:20 Tiamat is even more prominent in the inspiration for Final Fantasy- Dungeons and Dragons. She, along with Marduk and other figures from Mesopotamian mythology, were given statistics in the Deities and Demigods book. She is depicted as the Mother of Dragons, with a separate head for each of the Evil Dragon species descended from her. This depiction was the inspiration for Final Fantasy's Tiamat.

[@padalan2504]

In Slavic myths the storm god Perun sometimes contends with a serpent god Veles. There might be some link there considering the Hittite language also has a similar structure to the slavic languages. Slavs also seem to have a lot of multiheaded fire breathing dragons called San, or have dragons which can turn into a human or dragons which have a more of a humanoid form. Also while the silk road was established during the han dynasty (200 BCE) The contact of Central Asia with West Asia and in turn with East Asia existed possibly as far back as 5000 years ago. The contact was unfortunately severed by the spread of the Gobi desert, but the naval contact must have persisted as silks, spices and other valuable goods such as jade and lapis lazuli still flowed into the Middle East and in turn found themselves in hands of Phoenicians and later on Romans.

[@mrrodriguez2947]

2hr vid about dragon mythology 👀 you my friends have earned my curiosity and subscription

[@connorlappe2418]

🤠you guys are GREAT🤠 i have so much fun listening.

[@samdavies7724]

My first memory of dragons being a thing was in year 1 of school (UK) around 1995. They would roll in the big TV, put the video tape in and show us - Look and read, Through the dragons eye. Was brilliantly weird and British. Love the nostalgia of it now.

[@meep3035]

Im sorry but how isn’t there a western origin? You completely left out the indo European serpent myth which was probably the origin of proto dragons in various European mythologies.

[@johnmilius3031]

1:21:00 That statue is in "the Park of Monsters" in Italy and supposedly a fury,. Another statue there is supposedly Echidna.

[@mariovillarreal8647]

What about Perseus? Akin to Hercules. Who both defeat the Hydra. Perseus with the head of the Gorgon ; Hercules with a sword and torch to cauterize the severed necks. HYDRA a multi-headed Dragon. One Chinese Emperor said to be half dragon/ human hybrid. Hercules receives his power from her milk but primarily from his father Zeus. Slice off a head ; it will grow two back. Komodo dragons ; soldiers of Grand Dragons , equipped with Venom. Shoots eagle with bow AND arrow dipped in blood of Hydra as well as Lagon. Then there's Scylla; an amphibious dragon. Hercules isn't tricked ; he kills himself for killing his wife and children after he completes tasks. I never knew Hercules had a twin brother . Thank you very interesting!! Now I have to wonder who this brother was or came to be? Ulysses, Perseus, Jason?

[@benjamintrejo9307]

Been waiting for your upload lol.

[@zyzzy3808]

This is the coziest channel of all time

[@TheCronesEye]

This was wonderful. Looking forward to future installments. 👍

[@natwalpole2263]

The relationship between Tiamet and Marduk is interesting, I know some people view this as evidence of a cultural shift from an egalitarian society to a more patriarchal one. Which is an interesting idea, which i don't know enough about mythology and ancient history to say if i believe or not.

[@J1mston]

Just found you and this was great, subscribed. I'll be checking out many more videos soon. Also, nice to see a couple of fellow Yorkshire lads take such an interest in history.

[@raylastname5864]

48:00 Lo Pan is the guy from "big trouble in little china"

[@raylastname5864]

oh, you're saying Lo Tan, not Lo Pan, my bad

[@BarbaraRademacher]

How fascinating! I would love to learn more about you guys. I'm a math professor at a community college in the U.S. and, I dare say, I work with a number of people who had the great misfortune (?) to earn their Ph.Ds AFTER universities began pulling back on awarding tenure. It sounds, from your remarks in the opening discussion, that Charles and Crofty fall into that category. Could you make a semi-biographical vid about your sad (?) stories which may have been tragic for you, but was a boon for your subscribers? I have just now discovered you (my incredibly lucky Sunday morning as I linger late in my nightgown); after becoming addicted to your channel within a few minutes of watching your video, I am now a subscriber and would love to hear your stories.

[@jamespfp]

1:06:23 -- "However, in Japanese Mythology, the 5th Element is Void." -- Funny enough though, as long as the 5th Element has an association with Saturn, that "Void" could also be interpreted as human Freedom of Choice, AKA "Chaos" of a kind, creative possibility and freedom of action through imagination.

[@davidnichols8285]

Love your channel ! Big mythology fan !

[@lasgalon]

The Hobbit was my first bedtime story book so Smaug was my firs dragon as well

[@idrisa7909]

Imo it's pretty clear that G-d was given aspects of Baal, El, and Asherah. The most controversial thing would be saying he was "co-opted", as Canaanite religion evolved into monotheism within itself into Judaism, though there is evidence that this was at points enforced on the population by rulers and priests and there was a lingering aspect of polytheism for awhile. Nitpicky I know but I get sick of people (mostly pagans) claiming that Judaism "stole everything" from other religions instead of... evolving from Canaanite and Mesopotamian religions over time.

[@cameronf5893]

This is really cool :) FYI your not far into your playlist so I'll just say that it's really hard to binge watch a show when the playlist is backwards lol just my problem. Other people might have it too. IDK. Trying to constructive, not mean. Have a good one :)

[@ecritdelajaponographie8565]

Susasno-o did not cause Amaterasu to be "exiled". She was upset and hid away in a cave, but no one else actually wanted her to do that.

[@COMBLOCVZ58]

For chinese Zh is pronounced like J Q is pronounced like Ch X is pronounced like Sh

[@dracorex426]

The Chaoskampf's appearance in Japan has an incredibly obvious source. Buddhism made it to Japan. Buddhism is a Vedic religion. The Vedic religions are Proto-Indo-European religions. What did you think the "Indo" in "Proto-Indo-European" means?

[@shadowmihaiu]

EGYPT: you are making the fundamental error of treating as one unified idea the differing Egyptian depictions from several thousand years with differing Greek re-interpretaations from several hundred, in which they impose their own misunderstandings. Set is NOT a god of chaos at any time in Egyptian theology. Like all Egyptian deities, he is a defender of order and Ma'at. He is NEVER depicted as a negative god until after late Greek (but still not Egyptian) identification of Set with the Greek god Typhon. And then much later Christian identification of Set as Satan (Egyptian theology has no such devil). Set is the personification of willfulness, force and strength, not of evil. It is obvious therefore why he is the one who can defeat Apep - who is NOT the personification of evil, but the personification of CHAOS, which threatens to destroy the universe. In other words, Set defeats Chaos, he is not a god of Chaos.

[@michelledavison2533]

☝🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Yep 😊

[@karamlevi]

TY

[@zurin_octan]

Absolutely agreed. Wanted to point out that myself. The only one, who can defeat apep somehow became "god of chaos". Greeks knew how to turn mythology into a shitshow, especially during Hellenistic period.

[@georgeptolemy7260]

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[@awesomeatronik]

This is what makes me question their research on the rest of this video. I only have a passing interest in Egyptian mythology, and even i knew that set was changed in later times.

[@lynxoffinland]

What disappoints me about my own mythical background is that there does not seem to be any Dragons in finnish folk-lore. The word for them "lohikäärme" means "salmon-snake" literally, and I do not think it is of very old origins. There is another word that is said to represent something like a dragon or a wyrm "Lapalievo", which soounds as a word very much liek the pictures of those sea-serpents what you have here. The word is likely either old Laplander or Savonian dialect origins, and may be older, but there are no stories attached to the word, unfortunately. So basicly, there is no connection left to any existing stories of dragons in our myth. Very disappointing indeed. :(

[@4chords184]

Do one on "The Beast of Gévaudan"

[@lotusoflife2486]

In The Witcher TV series adaptation one of the dragons can transform into a human and back to a dragon. Great stuff🐉🐲

[@TheEvolver311]

D&D has had that power given to Dragons since the 1970's.

[@beansnrice321]

This was a strange Elden Ring lore video but I'm here for it. =)

[@shishkabobby]

Heracles means ‘Glory to Hera’. This may just be a lame attempt by Zeus to placate Hera. But I wonder if this points back to a pre-IndoEuropean pantheon lead by a goddess who became subordinate when the indoEuropeans took over.

[@Starbat88]

Can I PLEASE get the name/title/author of that masters thesis that cited My Little Pony? I would sincerely like to read it.

[@jamespfp]

1:03:45 -- I stumbled on this set of associations by accident a number of years ago, whilst looking into worldwide patterns for numerological systems, such as days of the week. China, like most of the rest of the world, apparently noticed that 5 days for the "work-week" and 2 days for the special deities spoke deeply to our human sense of understanding. Thus, Sun and Moon days exist worldwide, and each of the 5 week days with solar system objects attached. This also presents something of a puzzle for the whole Order / Chaos dichotomy you've been outlining; notice in the English calendar of the Middle Ages and onward how the 7 days are split down the middle between classical and pagan identities? Mercury, alongside Odin, for example. Also, both Sun and Moon were given alchemical importance in their myths about where and how the various metals were made. The Chinese system truly distinguishes itself in the set of 5 elements, rather than the classical European 3 or 4.

[@jamespfp]

The Middle Element, "Yellow Deity" cross associated with Saturn is the 5th Element, the Human interface between the ideal and the real, and the sublime stuff which forms on crude matter because of it.

[@WK-47]

At least in Mandarin transliterated in Pinyin, 'zh' is roughly a J sound with the tongue at the back of the roof of the mouth (I forget what the technical term in linguistics is), i.e., it doesn't sound much like Z and is awkward for native English speakers to pronounce. ...but that's just being pedantic about one single detail. Quality content, quality banter and a quality channel. Cheers, lads.

[@AmericanWay72]

Enjoying this very much!

[@oh-offendi6461]

T'was the Algorythm that bringeth me. Quest la vie.

[@oh-offendi6461]

Lord I am high.

[@3amcritter447]

Praise be to the algorithm

[@yogachick1955]

Dismissing misinterpretation of the fossil record and dinosaurs, etc, seems odd to me. Also, there's a relationship between Griffons & their treasure and a find of beaked dinosaurs and their fossilized nests.

[@darnokthemage170]

That has been disproven. markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2016/04/why-protoceratops-almost-certainly.html?m=1

[@andybeans5790]

I think it's wishful thinking to suppose ancient peoples would have the resources or inclination to extract large fossils

[@StoneCorazon]

We extracted them in the 1800’s using hand tools so it’s entirely feasible.

[@awesomeatronik]

@@andybeans5790 but they could build pyramids?

[@beneficent2557]

Griffins are of Scythian Origin and are associated with Protoceratops.

[@dracorex426]

There are SO many cases of humans becoming dragons and dragons becoming humans.

[@dracorex426]

Rape by deception isn't Zeus's worst crime, considering he did rape by violence.

[@jevana]

"Zh" in Chinese is more of "dj" sound from what my chinese friend has instructed me, belatedly. it can sound like a "s" or "z" to english speaking ears, not unlike the french "j". it was actually an enlightening pronunciation discussion. either way, enjoyed this!

[@RickMitchellProvenanceAndRoots]

This was absolutely fascinating! GREAT first ep for the podcast. Is this available elsewhere than on YT?

[@TheHistocrat]

It will be in the next few days. Will update soon.

[@simplynotedible]

Kind of disappointing to hear the summary dismissal of MLP. Modern media doesn't exist in a vacuum, and it's a well known fact that the core of stories appear and reappear adjusted to current cultures, so a comparison could in fact provide a very interesting perspective. Besides, it's not like the myths you guys were discussing would not have been told to children.

[@muffinheretic994]

I big time want to second this. The Podcast starts out referencing Tolkien and from the beginning, it is clear, that this collection of Dragon-tales includes modern pop culture. So this dismissal of something more... let's say effeminate? For the lack of a better word. Compared to the Hobbit, was kind of disappointing to me. I would have loved to read that thesis, as a matter of fact, I am very much interested in it now.

[@serene1172]

Same here. Something being seen as fun and childlike shouldn’t be a dismissal for looking closely at pop culture. Besides, it’s not like there aren’t dragons in My Little Pony.

[@LilliamSlasher]

@@muffinheretic994 "So this dismissal of something more... let's say effeminate? " i think you nailed it. i think that's why they dismissed it so. because it's a girly cartoon, therefore they don't think it deserves the same respect as D&D or Tolkien.

[@yas_lana]

Okay, I am sorry, but I would like to read a thesis about how those old myths still influence the stories we tell today. I this case they may used my little pony but I would expect similar parallels can be drawn to other shows/movies.

[@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598]

Ahhhhhh Red Dwarf!!!!!! So loved that!!!!

[@kariannecrysler640]

Love the talk! Curious about the Mesopotamian gate picture . How did they get that blue? Is it glazed or painted? What did they use for pigment? ❤the blue

[@majesticgothitelle1802]

How would rank these european dragon zduhac, lindworm, amphiphere, ouroboro, zmey/balaur, drakaina, zmeu, tugarin, sárkany, hydra, wyvern, vibria, zburator, drac, drake, drak, and fiery kobold. How powerful would Slavic dragon zirnitra god of sorcery be.

[@joshbishop9639]

44:00 Set is a storm deity too so it would be reasonable to connect his struggle with Apep as being related to that IE motif rather than developing independently and then influencing the Sumerians.

[@robertgotschall1246]

Wow, that's a lot more about dragons then I expected. My first dragon was about six when my church group showed us a film depicting St. George fighting a dragon According to a recent paleo documentary about new feathered dinosaur finds in China, (Feathered Dragons) the same Chinese word means both dinosaur and dragons One writer suggests that the biblical behemoth actually referred to Nile crocodiles?

[@viridianacortes9642]

I think most scholars agree Behemoth was a giant bull that symbolized livestock and nature.

[@duantorruellas716]

That's a great looking dragon there on the cover art. 👍

[@kevintucker3354]

What do the double sided tridents 🔱 in the hands of the heroes represent? We’re they simple bronze or iron weapons or do they represent some sort of energy weapon?

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Could be the same as the multi-player sword in Islamic stories; if one trident is awesome, a double trident is even more tridenty

[@choji8725]

I needed this. Thank You

[@choji8725]

Some personal insight here. My parents are of the old Hellenes. My mother hates snakes of any sorts. She never heard of Dragons until she moved here to the USA in the 50s. To this day, a tiny Garter Snake is no different from any Pit Viper from her perspective. My father has passed some time ago. He used to take us to the Hercules movies back in the Steve Reeves days. Which of course was formative in my own studies.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

Susano-o vs Yamata-no-Orochi likely came to Japan via India, which has its own serpent slaying myth in Indra vs Vritra. This means it is also a derivative of the Proto-Indo-European myth.