THG Ranks His Top 12 Forwards

[@nolananderson4782]

Some player's gonna be in contact negotiations and the GM's gonna say "I can't give you 12M, you didn't make THG's top 12 forwards"

[@theramplocal]

Negotiations over, Shannon's videos end all be all confirmed 🤘😀🤘

[@chrisbee9643]

Well maybe guys like Kyle Dubas should watch them. He made the same mistake in Pittsburgh (Karlson and his contract), he already made in Toronto (John Tavarez and his contract). I am curious, when Karlson gets the C. xD

[@ilkkak3065]

Some on list has a lot under 12 M conteacts

[@nolananderson4782]

@@ilkkak3065 on their current contracts, sure. But if they were negotiating a new deal right now, they'd likely end up in that range

[@jacobdill4499]

​@@chrisbee9643 As soon as Crosby retires probably.

[@Zenkka]

Shannon talking about Barkov without mentioning how *other* people say he’s underrated - challenge level: impossible.

[@nicka652]

If he would rate him appropriately at 3 then people wouldn't keep telling him he's underrated.

[@Hbmd3E]

@@nicka652 what are you on? look at the points. he def higher than points suggest.

[@nicka652]

@Hbmd3E My bad, I missed this being the top fantasy hockey forwards list. I get it that these lists are always offensive. If you watch the last 2 seasons, Barkov affects the game more defensively than any other skater. Gretzky in the finals said he's the best defensive forward since Trottier. That means better than Bergeron, Kopitar, and Datsyuk. I'll take the Great One's call. Look, I'm not saying he's first or second just saying he's better than Sid and Drai. If you want to have an argument about Matthews in 3rd and Barkov in 4th, I think the case can be made. At the end of the day, Sid isn't who he used to be and his career to this point has been better than Barkov. But the pens have choked away playoff positions the last 2 seasons in the last week, and Barkov has carried the Panthers to the cup finals both years. Yes I get it he doesn't have the best fantasy numbers but he shuts down opposing lines and still manages to put up ppg numbers. The Drai case is simple. Over half of his points are a direct result of McDavid. Furthermore in the finals, Drai came up empty and was frustrated enough to throw a cheap elbow that was borderline suspendable. Nobody who wanted to keep playing in that series would have thrown that elbow unless they thought their team was better if both of them were off the ice. Barkov took the elbow and the cup home with him.

[@Hbmd3E]

@@nicka652 quite a compliment from Gretzky You are knowledgeable. And you need to consider all the past season from 2018 7 years, its hard not to let last year effect. But I guess Sidney not that good from the time period.

[@rudraksha11gaming66]

Rantenen at 10 over Tkachuck, Eichel and probably equal with but above Kaprisov based just on games played

[@davidanders1687]

nah rantanen is a tap in PP merchant Kaprizov is fun to watch excitingly fast perfect edgework great shot and playmaking and does NOT have a Mackinnon or Makar to help

[@FIVE5TARMAN]

Over that period of time Mikko Rantanen has a higher ppg than Barkov, Crosby, Kaprizov, Eichel, and Tkachuk at total of 495 points. He deserves to at least be at 10 on this list.

[@JarradBruessel32]

Point totals aren't everything. Barkov is a multiple time selke winner. Crosby is good defensively. Kaprizov hasn't played with real superstar talent. Tkachuk is a beast in either zone.

[@Ah01]

Mikko makes Mackinnon better, not vice versa.. 💪

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

@@JarradBruessel32 Rantanen should definitely be on the list while Eichel has got nothing to do on that list.

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

@@JarradBruessel32 Rantanen has a cup and he has lots of points in the playoffs.

[@xTymezz]

Him over Eichel

[@howardhopkins3513]

I would like to see this list divided. One for best wingers, and another list for best centres. That way we would be entertained with an extra fun list from THG.

[@strahinjagov]

Crosby still being as good as he is at his age is genuinely insane.

[@carbb5760]

Even though his production is lower than some of the guys I still like him as top 5 easy

[@gsipp00]

@@strahinjagov wonder what numbers Lemieux would have been able to put up if he had been able to have the health and stamina of Crosby.

[@strahinjagov]

​@@gsipp00 Well, Sid had a lot of injuries too, he was cut down in his prime bc of concussions.

[@yoholmes273]

Not at all. The "new" NHL is a figure skater league until the late rounds of the playoffs. Crosby wouldve never made this far if he faced a Scott Stevens or a Pronger on the regular

[@strahinjagov]

​@@yoholmes273 so you just didnt watch the early parts of Sid's career where he got ragdolled around and had concussions for three years? Got it. 👍

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

Rantanen definitely belongs on this. idc where you put him, drop out Kap or Eichel.

[@FlippingForTheWin]

Crazy not to see Mikko on this list, he is definitely a top12 forward in the NHL. And if you counting playoffs, he gets better

[@iCipher]

No

[@kelly4236]

no

[@Benji-mx1no]

Totally agree. I’d say easily top 10, it’s hard though. Being on the same team as Mackinnon and Makar people get used to his excellence.

[@Gem____F8]

No

[@shawnlewin9057]

Yes. Moose was the biggest snub.

[@wmmrock]

Grabs popcorn. Opens comments 🎉

[@nicka652]

@wmmrock Barkov and Matthews are underrated 3 and 4. Crosby, while career is an all-time great, he is at least 5 spots overrated. Draisaitl has plenty of flaws and questions that can be asked, and all we hear about is his injuries as excuses. His finger and rib have an ouwie...put him at 6.

[@ddt1313]

Thank you for providing my much needed dose of hockey today. great list and vid.👍

[@cabalavatar]

LOVE to see my boy Crosby so high on this list. Dude remains largely unaffected by age and is the best-rounded player in the game, tho Barkov is a beast too.

[@GWh135]

Brayden Point is better than Jack Eichel Edit: so many wrong opinions in the replies from people who’ve never seen Point play, wow!

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

I was legit about to write where the fook is brayden points name.. 2x stanley cup champion and out scores many on the list..

[@dustinjones1907]

Tbh there's alot of forwards better than eichel. He's very good, and actually quite good defensively, but he doesn't have the offensive dynamism that people seem to think he does.

[@awsomedude12345678]

He could take Crosbys place seeing as his numbers are the worst on the board ​@FloridaHockeyFan

[@SlugManROTMG]

brayden point also played on a stacked roster for literally his entire career. not saying he didn’t do his part extremely well in making the roster stacked, but watching eichel play recently has definitely reminded me just how dominant he is at every aspect of the game

[@G4rr3ttDix0n]

@@SlugManROTMGare you kidding? Pointer is entirely self made and earned every bit of TOI he gets bud. Don’t try and make it sound like his career is because of kucherov because he’s spent at least 100ish games in his career with no kucherov on the ice while maintaining nearly PPG. He is also at exactly a PPG in the playoffs. Not to mention his first year he was playing with bottom 6 line mates. If one of them is overrated it is certainly eichel. His point totals have not even gone up since joining VGK and getting healthy. He had 1 good playoff run and everyone considers him a top 10 player all of a sudden, lol. Don’t get me wrong I’m a big eichel fan too he’s one of the best American born players in the league but don’t try and take anything away from pointer.

[@RS-uv3bd]

As an Avs fan I am constantly amazed by what I see MacK do. Every game he is playing like his hair is on fire. I feel honored that I get to watch him play, because his skill and intensity is rare. I feel honored when I get to watch these other players, and some that weren’t mentioned, play too. McDavid is so special. We all knew he was going to be incredible and he somehow managed to surpass the expectations. Crosby is still killing it and so intelligent. Matthews has left me baffled almost every time I see him play. Kucherov is unreal how he can slow the game down to his advantage. The talent of the stars in the league are at such a high level right now. It’s pretty cool to see.

[@ravdgnyc]

Agreed

[@MikeHarvey-ol7xr]

Congrats on him winning a lifetime achievement award masquerading as MVP.

[@jeffreym.8957]

I still can't believe Colorado lost to Dallas.

[@RS-uv3bd]

Well, I didn’t win the award. But I accept your salty congratulations on his excellent season all the same! Though I’m pretty sure the one he really cares about is the trophy you get to drink out of.

[@MikeHarvey-ol7xr]

@@RS-uv3bd No doubt. The hate is for the misguided voters.

[@icameisaw9308]

I'd take Aho/Point over Eichel personally

[@shawnlewin9057]

Definitely

[@Glacialspring]

What the reason Because you live out east and can’t stay up late enough to watch Vegas ? Jack is better than both of em bud

[@GWh135]

@@Glacialspring How does it feel to be in denial?

[@stormcloudfilms]

Looking for some Aho love

[@VexJinks]

Yeah, no. Eichel can do things Aho and Point can't. And in Aho's case, that would also include winning a Cup.

[@marnojones8506]

Imagine if kaprizov played alongside with McDavid, Crosby, or any super star he would have 140 points 😂

[@theramplocal]

I'm a dirty blues fan and agree 100% kaprizov is elite in a mid market. No offense wildbros btw, just saying

[@markdwolf3198]

@@theramplocal wild fan here, I agree, unfortunately.

[@ArtursFilipovs-ie9tz]

Kucherov scored 144 points without those players Near him

[@Thathockeyplayer497]

@@ArtursFilipovs-ie9tzhe had Point and Stammer, Kaprizov has what? Matt Boldy and Nick Foligno? (Idk wild players or lines don’t flame me)

[@PNP96-l1n]

Kaprizov has scored near or at 90 to 100 plus points the last 3 seasons. 2nd place on the Wild every year was at least 25 points back each year

[@tommywommy2373]

Mikko Rantanen snub is insane

[@mh-ct7oc]

Glad to see Barkov getting the recognition.

[@Ryanknerr]

As if he hasn't been like he's underrated or something?

[@dennislopez1272]

Still not enough. If he played for Toronto and won them a cup, he would be considered number 1. That's the truth.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

Lol, putting him outside the top five just shows how underrated he still is. Behind Draisaitl, what a joke...

[@cannedpineapple2702]

@mh-ct7oc I mean he's better than Draisatl but still!

[@Rellx305]

@@windsolarupnorth7084that’s what I’m saying! Leon didn’t record a point the whole final. He’s only popular cause of Conner. I’ll die on that hill saying that

[@6BURG9]

The talent in the league right now is incredible. Great time to be a hockey fan.

[@Your_Role_Model]

Barkov - best captain in the NHL

[@Mitch-m7z]

Crosby is definitely the best captain lol

[@strahinjagov]

Not while Crosby is still around

[@nicka652]

Haha...Captain Crosby has led his team to amazing collapses the past 2 seasons the last week of the season.

[@Mitch-m7z]

@@nicka652 hes the only reason they came remotely close to making the playoffs

[@visapesonen7100]

​@@Mitch-m7z that is quite true.

[@SubyRyan]

We usually agree on a lot, but I'm honestly amazed that Rantanen did not make your top 12 and that you did not even do an honorable mention... If counting from 19-20 season, he had 408 points, 182 goals over 331 games, so the numbers alone speak for themselves.. Eichel is who I think was the odd man in your list, I could see you are a bigger fan but is he really better than Mikko?!

[@MorbidMorgan]

Just came to watch a good list video. You delivered. Leaving a like and some love from louisiana

[@johncox7169]

Felt that Rantanen should have made this list (over either Kaprizov or Eichel.)

[@tegridy27]

Kaprizov routinely gets 120+ points playing on Mack’s wing. Easily

[@matthewdicksoncrusher5592]

Mikko Rantanen not on the list but Eichel is - criminal.

[@MrXanderii]

I absolutely enjoyed your forward lost and defence list. I agree pretty much with both. I would love to see your top 12 under 21 year old prospects with a bright NHL future.

[@JD200_]

Not the goalie list? lol

[@MrXanderii]

​@@JD200_just watched it now. Yes I agreed with that one too

[@fakedeath13]

The immedate bot spam messages are getting more creative, I'll give them that Jack Hughes will be top 8 after this season

[@bkroeckel]

if Jack can remain healthy, he's going to go full on sicko mode this season and I can't wait!!! Having that bolstered blue line and Chief Keefe will be a huge boost for him too!

[@noahvirjee1113]

who's coming out though? I love Hughes but the top 8 looks really solidified until the decline of Sid which will not be next season. Alongside competing against guys below him and guys that just missed the list, pettersson, point, miller. On top of this, his availability is such a question mark that it comes down to does playing 60-70 games a year cut it? Sure his ppg could be high and he is 100% an elite offensive tool, but if he can only stay healthy for 3/4 of the season... you get the point.

[@jeffreym.8957]

@@bkroeckel The way he plays he will have a hard time staying healthy, I think. So many quick changes of direction with such a sleight body.

[@jared3047]

It's not a given. Tough division , they had one good season. And there's no guarantees.

[@kevind2024]

✅

[@mariovaccarella6854]

Great Video, as usual, Shannon

[@andrewgreen815]

Such a fun video. Keep up the great work.

[@dvon1097]

Point?

[@0neChecker]

@@dvon1097 No Point?

[@arilehtonen5837]

Mikko Rantanen is better than Kaprizov and Eichel so is Sebastian Aho ;)

[@jeffreym.8957]

As someone who picked Aho in the playoff pool this past year... hmmm... not sure I agree with your police work there...

[@CaptainBooch]

Starting a team with the last two guys... Would you take eichel or m tkachuk?

[@johnnewton3592]

Could you do a fantasy forward "sleeper" list? My league is deep and often I scramble to get a sleeper or two.

[@HenryHoolington]

You love to see Crosby top 5 going strong being the oldest guy on the board. He has taken really good care of his body and wants to be the best, that’s why he gets that spot! Legend

[@gobeethoth]

somehow, someway i thot you'd sneak cliff ronning onto this list

[@Its_Bingus]

Brayden Point is super underrated...

[@gsipp00]

Absolutely solid list really no arguments what so ever! Well done.. Certainly would love to sneak Marner in but his playoffs performance keeps him out..

[@bengagnon6947]

That a fun list to watch. Thanks for putting the time in!!! If I were to pick this list apart there's probably not much I would change. Pretty cool Crosby is still making the list. The only thing I would change is Petterson would be #1 lol jk I guess that's the only thing the Canucks missed out on they made the list for goalie and Dmen .... can't win em all I guess. Keep a thick skin with the stupid comments people write I think you're doing a good job!!!

[@JP_HKY_777]

where is Rantanen & Jack Hughes!? You must've just forgotten about them right?

[@TheHockeyGuy]

Nope.

[@JP_HKY_777]

@@TheHockeyGuy I personally would have them in my top 12, but there are so many great players today it’s hard to rank players that’s for sure.

[@Ukeedaze]

JT Miller should be on this list. His ability to play offence, defence, penalty kill, power play, hit, and fight are all unique he’s a true power forward.

[@dboverland8457]

Solid list well stated. Thanks THG

[@Kudoas]

would love to see a follow up of who you think would be a good fit for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th line if all of these guys were on the same team

[@tedlicciardello7673]

I know forward positions are sometimes ambiguous but I think there are so many great forwards in the league, separating them by C, RW, LW would be fun too.

[@hanslamontagne]

Shannon, that Man-At-Arms jersey is something!!

[@alainnervedamaged1669]

Alright, so we’ve got a section of this video where he says that the reason Marner doesn’t make the list is because, come playoff time, he gets real quiet, whereas a guy like Tkachuk has the playoff resume to push him ahead. Ok, let’s look at the two players and see if that actually makes sense, or if he’s relying on the narratives surrounding Marner and the Leafs’ lack of playoff success. Tkachuk career playoff stats: GP-71, G-24, A-37 with a +1 rating. Marner career playoff stats: GP-57, G-11, A-39, with a +11 rating. This means Tkachuk scores at a rate of 0.86 points per game. Marner scores at a rate of 0.87 points per game. So Marner gets a slight edge there… Fewer goals against when Marner is on the ice, compared to Tkachuk too. You can argue that Tkachuk gets into the corners and mixes it up, and provides the snot needed for playoff success, and that’s why he makes the list, and that’s a good argument…. It’s just not the kind of player Marner is, but he is very skilled defensively, and that shows up clearly in the +\- (Marner plays against other team’s top lines, and kills penalties.) I haven’t done the comparison for Matthews and people ahead of him on the list, but I bet he deserves a higher spot too. His performance dips a little in the playoffs, but not by a huge amount. Playoff success absolutely matters, but the Leafs failures have been team failures. It gets more clicks to lay it at the feet of a particular star player, but it’s not reasonable to do so IMO.

[@adamn7777]

Very good list. There's a couple guys I'm kinda shocked didn't make the list but at least one of them, Marner, you had pretty solid reasons for not including. I'm kinda shocked Rantanen didn't make the cut but I bet if this went to 13, 14 or 15 he easily makes the list. It's also kinda funny that for a list like this the top is so much more obvious than the bottom. For everyone McDavid is in a league of his own followed by MacKinnon and Kucherov in some order followed by Matthews and Draisaitl in either order.

[@ravdgnyc]

Love to see The Breadman on this list

[@mattm8108]

AKA the Russian Marner. Regular season points galore and then 💩 in the playoffs

[@yoholmes273]

Which is a total joke.

[@dorikindotjp]

Matthews and Barkov should be above Draisaitl imo. Both are way better at defense, well disciplined, and less lazy

[@metalheadtribe]

You are mistaken. Drai is way better.

[@erectedemu5913]

@@dorikindotjp Matthews is useless in the playoffs tho draisaitl is top 3 playoff performer of this decade

[@nunya_business1702]

Matthews doesn’t hit or play defense. Or pass

[@Kyt2024]

@@nunya_business1702lol nice job proving you don’t actually watch him play

[@Ben.Mangels]

​​@@nunya_business1702Matthews was nominated for the Selke.

[@thegourmetgolfer5544]

Glad to see Crosby as high as he is. I also agree about the Barkov sentiment. He's a great two-way player and he is universally recognized as such. As a hockey fan, I'd actually say Ericsson Ek is probably the most underrated player right now

[@paulm.7045]

You should draw a level bold line under 12 and start there to help make the words straight. I was tripping on the angle the whole time...great video.

[@edenisburning]

Long time subscriber and huge fan. I'm part of a group of hockey fans from all over the world and from all different fan bases. We call ourselves "The Gang," and we've been a group for about 14 years. Many of us have met and seen games together all across Canada and the US. I've turned every one of them into your content over the years. I've never asked you a question before, but I'm curious, what do you think of Dylan Larkin overall? Is he a legit 1C or is that role a bit of a stretch? Where are you on his game overall?

[@infinity-vm4ul]

Great video! Would be cool to see a list on the best shot blockers or defensive defensemen.

[@petermelville5524]

Leon’s durability makes a dif. What stat would represent defensive performance…for example, Kuch is not great defense-wise, average 5on5.

[@bertoneill2488]

Having Eichel on this list is wild.

[@codysayer4976]

Those mcdavid numbers are insane

[@kenyadakashai95]

I enjoy hearing your opinion, especially as a new-ish fan.

[@Pr0fessor_P]

Thought I'd see Forsberg on here! Regardless, great video Shannon.

[@elwizschold]

McDavid plays the game on a different difficulty setting than everybody else, I'm just happy to be watching the sport during his era.

[@TheDolfanar]

The only one I’d really disagree with is Crosby. I think he’s absolutely top 5 or 6 forward all time, but over the last few years I think, while he belongs on the list, I think he should be lower… probably closer to 9 or 10. I don’t think a lot of GMs would take him over even a Panarin. That’s still *really* good mind you. No shade at Crosby at all here.

[@jespereriksson3305]

Crazy Jason Robertson, Point, Rantanen or Forsberg doesnt make this list. Lots of great players rn

[@1975Jdonov]

Where is Brad Marchand? This guy has been the most consistent player over his almost entire career. He has the points, he plays hard from offense to defense and he is also A top pk player.

[@XSharkdarkX]

The "Thanks Gary" was perfect !

[@dvan7117]

I believe Rantanen is a better forward with better stats than either Kaprizov and Eichel. He has had since 2018-19 495 pts in 405 regular season games. Those are better stats than Kaprizov, Eichel, Barkov and tkachuk. Crosby too. My list would've been different, but it's for fun.

[@martharunstheworld]

Thank you for this! PS: Any plans on words about Sam Rosen retiring after next season?

[@reynardus1359]

You underrated Barkov.

[@114MrCool]

As many assists as his peers have points is a stat I only hear about Gretzky crazy that mcdavid is doing that

[@habinations]

it would be kinda neat if you did this for pools. like once a week. that way i dont have to dig around in your old content :P

[@jasonseiter3323]

Love the jersey!!!!! Skeletor might be better?

[@nolankuffner3573]

Fun fact: Draisatl has more points on this list. MacKinnon has a higher points percentage. Kinda of a fun thing to consider.

[@SkodenStewdis]

Love your content bro get to enjoy my cereal 😅

[@chrisgawron7797]

Video idea: guys that should be in the hall of fame but aren’t currently.

[@kcrowther14]

Love the jersey shan

[@Pkamon]

Dude. That jersey is awesome.

[@maxrates]

Solid list

[@glaframb]

I will be curious to see 13-24 best forwards, now !

[@kevjones5047]

Thank you for your service

[@xDefender11]

As a pilot you’ve tempted me to fly circles around Chilliwack to try to appear in a THG video 😅 9:10

[@leagueidiot3052]

What ? No habs player ? we revolt. Sike, we love you THG, Keep on the insane work.

[@jeffreym.8957]

"Psych" - maybe THG's next video will be the Top 112 forwards and you can get one or two?

[@brenzyc8703]

I would take Mikko Rantanen over everyone 9-12 (except maybe Kaprizov)

[@Hockeyboy111]

you put Eichel over Barkov on best 2nd overall since 2007 list and now you put Barkov over Eichel for the best forward list lmao 😂

[@niconasr]

Eichel was drafted in the 2nd slot, not 3rd. So not sure where you got your info

[@Hockeyboy111]

My mistake it was 2nd overall * I just changed

[@bbeaup]

I mean who really cares.

[@Hockeyboy111]

Because no way Eichel is better than Barkov, I was shocked when he put Eichel over Barkov on his Best Second Overall List

[@yelling3874]

Aren't the draft pick rankings for a full career and this list just for the present day?

[@PTS328]

Not bad list, but few changes I’d make. Crosby too high. He’s the best player of his generation, overall, but not necessarily last 5 years. Still have him top 12, but lower. Also, not sure about Kaprizov. I’d take Rantanen and/or Petterson over him every day of the week and twice on sunday. Also Eichel, big fan of him, but idk if I’d put him on the list. Ah maybe I would. The sample size is a bit lacking. “The best ability is availability”

[@FalconPunch1505]

2013 Draft was MacKinnon #1 and Barkov #2. It'll be interesting to debate who was the better pick one day.

[@justinwillness3162]

theres no debate, both went were they should have gone.

[@jeffreym.8957]

And Seth Jones was considered #1 for much of that season lead-up.

[@TonySchiavone6]

I am thinking this means more who is the better player, then who should have been drafted first. Mackinnon seems like the better skilled player. Both have cups now so you can't really use that argument either way. Barkov would need to keep up his defense and start hitting 100 points for the next 3 or 4 years and have another cup to add to that to say he was a better overall player.

[@FalconPunch1505]

Yeah, that was what I was getting at (who finishes as the "better" player). I find it interesting to look at re-drafts once the players of a class all retire. With MacKinnon and Barkov having 2 vastly different playstyles, it'll be entertaining to see how they finish their careers.

[@nicka652]

Barkov will always be undervalued because Defense in hockey is team oriented. I mean I'm not sure either team gets a cup of the pics are reversed, but Mackinnon's speed I think gives him the edge.

[@TillTheThrill19]

I like your rankings. There is not doubt no body is as game breaking as Mcdavid as he is the best point producer in hockey. But what Mackinnon brings to the table in terms of intensity, speed, tenacity, physically and with his capabilities to bring a "i will do what it takes to not lose attitude" and not needing to rely on point production to make others around him better allows him to be one of the most all around players in hockey. But man oh man, the dawg is someone you want in your corner when the chips are down.

[@cycythepuzzlesguy]

For nerds, the 1-9 are yet again, Preds themed

[@DanielNYR]

Kaprisov on another level than Gaborik? Am I sleeping on him? Gaborik was a sexy player.

[@vulgar5595]

Funny You say that, couple friends and i were saying how alike those two are all around. Pretty wild who similar they are

[@Cacuna]

Another level is a stretch

[@SlugManROTMG]

if Barkov and Draisaitl switched places for the SCF series, would the oilers have had better, worse, or the same results?

[@vulgar5595]

That is a Brain Melter!!! I am gonna say that only Barkov could shut down McDavid, those two on the same team could dominate anything thrown at them

[@robintaylor1490]

Considering Draisaitl 0:02 was playing injured, you can pretty much say yes it would have been better. If healthy it would have been a different series.

[@jeffreym.8957]

It may have been a sweep for Edmonton if Barkov had switched teams. Of course, Leon may have been hurt.

[@robintaylor1490]

@@jeffreym.8957 reports say he was definitely playing injured.

[@zacharyholmes3375]

Draisaitl was suffering from an extreme injury. look at his production in the first 2 rounds.

[@austinkane3366]

Curious where you’d put Mikko

[@Uguyviy]

Shouldn’t M.Rant be above Eichel?

[@DanielNYR]

This had to be the most difficult position list. Goalies stop pucks, defenders defend and chip in offensively if they're great. Forwards are all over the place in terms of value.

[@calebkirby9109]

Shannon avoiding the homer look by steering clear of J.T. Miller, but him & Rantanen need more love. Eichel & Kaprizov stick out as guys who shouldn't be here. If you're a top 12 forward you should at times be able to carry your team on your back. It's not just about points even though both the guys I've mentioned put up insane numbers that way too.

[@PandemicKarma]

What about rantanan?

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

How Crosby has never been nominated as a finalist for the selke is mind blowing to me, imo hes the best all around player ever

[@ramd9532]

Flames pain ouch. We had Tkachuk but he did not want to stay with us 😭

[@xSirhc]

whoever says pastrnak isnt top12 has gotta reevalute themselves, he's arguably top 1/2 RW in the league

[@mariovaccarella6854]

I usually agree with you & kind of agree with you on nearly all of these. I'd have switched A. Matthews & A. Barkov. I'd also have switched Pasta with The Bread Man/Panarin, especially given that he was more of A Playmaker in Chicago & in Columbus than he is with The Rangers. PS. I would like Pasta even more, if he were in The Chicago Blackhawks Warrior or The Rangers Shield Jerseys. LOL (I know that you & my bud in Florida love that team, but, I guess, being A Chicago/NY Fan, I'm not a fan. Also, in not having both Espositos on The Chicago Black Hawks at the same time, kind of soured me on them, even though Chicago made The Infamous Trade - I liked Pit Martin, but, all of the players leaving Chicago in 1967, Yikes. LOL)

[@MrNegron]

That man at arms jersey is lit

[@juusoleppanen8298]

Love barkov on the thumbnail

[@K37tu]

Gotta love the Bettman portrait

[@orush-co1dy]

Barkov has similar playoff PPG to Matthews has less playoff goals in 16 more games, has never had 40 goals in a season. Has never had more then 90 points and has no harts or Rockets. How is he above Matthew’s just because his team is better? Sure he has 2 Selkes but no GM in the league would take Barkov over Matthews. The recency bias and basing players based on how well there team does in the playoffs is silly.

[@Rellx305]

We did beat Toronto not long ago and barkov did shut him down

[@tarmo4435]

I think that lists like this can be bit controversial since even the forward players have so different roles. I think Barkov could produce more points in a cost of defensive play. Its hard to say which is most important. +/- or just solid amount of points.

[@CoalPolmer]

Imagine If Kaprizov had decent line mates. He would have 130+ points every year. Unreal player and probably the 2nd best natural goal scorer in the league right now

[@marnojones8506]

rantanen not making the list is ridiculous

[@jimlittle5769]

Why? Just cause he has more points than Crosby and four others in the timeframe being discussed?🤣🤣🤣. The Moose and his back to back 100+ points seasons being slighted again.

[@a-likely-story]

No it's not.

[@jeffreym.8957]

@@jimlittle5769 Didn't see him do a damn thing in the Dallas series. Isn't that when you want your stars to shine? The playoffs?

[@marsneedstowels]

Getting the Kurri treatment.

[@maxrates]

There's a lot of good forwards. Someone is going to be out