The Career of Larry Murphy

[@Adam202]

I love Larry Murphy. He was an integral part of the Red Wings back to back Stanley Cups and along with Mickey Redmond and Ken Daniels he's been a great part of the Red Wings broadcast team for many years.

[@klompsauce]

He was the defensive Shanny, once brought in, we made it to the top of the mountain

[@mike04574]

Lol it seems like every hof was on those red wings teams from 90s 2000d

[@riloh58]

As a (former) D player, Larry is one of my all time favourite players. Thanks for the discussion Shannon.

[@JimboBurrito]

I have that same exact Larry Murphy #206 Card. And I have every cards #1-#439 as well as the B numbered (B1-B5) and T Numbered (1T-105T) cards

[@doctorx3]

Larry Murphy has said that he was never a great skater, but he compensated for it with smarts, accuracy, and responsibility. I often feel that one of the marks of greatness is turning your weakness into a strength. He's a prime example of that.

[@looper451]

Career of Rod Langway should be next, since we’re speaking of defensemen and what makes them great

[@jameshuseby9931]

One of the most underrated defenseman in nhl history

[@paulcohen7480]

Loved it when Murphy played for the Redwings. Wish we had him earlier in his career as well.

[@richardmelendez8614]

Underrated D man. Part of a solid defense foursome with Caps along with langway, stevens and hatcher.

[@looper451]

One of those players like Hawerchuk that was always the second or third best at their position. Hawerchuk couldn’t win a trophy because of Wayne, Mario, and Marcel. Murphy couldn’t buy himself a Norris because of Bourque, Coffey, and Chelios

[@allsystemsgo8678]

Agreed. Although Murphy has four rings and Dale never had any luck. Was always on medicore teams

[@amazinmets8439]

You forgot Leetch, won 2 Norris Trophies in the 90's.

[@amazinmets8439]

@Todd Peterson I was replying to the original poster lol but thank you for the comment. Leetch and Messier are my 2 favorite Rangers of all-time. The 90's were stacked with great defensemen so it's a miracle to me that Leetch won 2 Norris Trophies. Lidstrom was great but had literally nobody to compete against. A weak era for Dmen which is why he has 7 Norris Trophies.

[@looper451]

@@amazinmets8439 Yeah l know he was a Norris winner and a Cup winner. I meant that he didn’t get nearly enough recognition because of Bourque and Chelios etc

[@imronburgundy69]

@@amazinmets8439 Except it's almost universally agreed that Nick Lidstrom easily could have won 2-3 Norris trophies prior to them actually awarding him the trophy lol

[@blitz9742]

Love these career videos on underappreciated players from the past, it's great hearing about players that played well before I started watching hockey

[@duquet71]

I was fortunate enough to see him play as a rookie out in LA twice, and I was always a huge fan of his. Thanks for doing this video, too many people forget how good of a player he was. That whole disaster in Toronto was a joke...Leafs fans don't know anything about hockey.

[@Steve-vl9ed]

A favorite player; hated seeing my Kings trade him for basically nothing. Great career and deserving HOF.

[@Tomatohater64]

He did a great job here in Pittsburgh - no complaints at all.

[@evolved543]

Yup!

[@daledemanchuk7920]

he played in an era where there was actual "hockey trades" and a good team was always able to put his talent/leadership to good use....as for the leafs part-now you know why they havent won since'67....media/fans too busy chasing good players out and playing the 'blame game"....

[@urho1]

As a Kings fan looked around and found this to explain why Kings traded him : Murphy had a great rookie season, but after head coach Bob Berry was fired on May 22, 1981, friction developed between Murphy and the coaching staff. Replacing Berry was Parker MacDonald, who served as head coach for about six months until Don Perry was hired on January 11, 1982. Both MacDonald, and especially Perry, expected Murphy to play a much more physical game than he had ever played before, something that was never part of his game. “He was such a laid back person, and that’s the way he played,” said former Kings left wing Charlie Simmer, a member of the famed Triple Crown Line with Marcel Dionne and Dave Taylor. “He was misunderstood. He was a bigger guy, and that was the era of fighting, the Broad Street Bullies [Philadelphia Flyers] and the Big, Bad Bruins [Boston Bruins].” “They were always trying to get him into that type of mode, but that’s not him,” added Simmer, who played with Murphy throughout the time Murphy was with the Kings. “His game, as we saw through his whole career, was a point-getting, calm defenseman. He didn’t change, other than he just got better and better with confidence and experience.” Rather than adapt their coaching style and tactics to the players on the roster, MacDonald, and especially Perry, stubbornly and foolishly forced their players into a particular mold and style of play, which included more hitting and fighting. This proved to be a huge mistake, especially with a player of Murphy’s caliber. “The key for a player is to be effective,” Murphy noted. “There are different ways to skin a cat, right? When Bob Berry was here, that was not the case. He had patience. He expected me to play well in my own zone, be responsible, and cover my man. If I did that, if I was effective, defensively, that’s all he wanted.” “Different guys bring different things to the table, but it’s consistent throughout the lineup,” Murphy added. “You expect everybody to be able to cover their man, move the puck, don’t give it away, be smart. Beyond that, guys have different ways to be [effective and contribute]. Good coaches see that, and they utilize guys that way. Poor coaches are guys who put you into a mold. Things got crazy here in that sense, and that’s not how I was going to be an effective player out there.” “Good coaches demand a level of smart play. But they let the player achieve it by utilizing their best skills.” Link to article: frozenroyalty.net/2015/03/20/lopsided-trade-larry-murphy/ Thanks Shannon really like your output on youtube of NHL hockey.

[@evolved543]

This is interesting thank you

[@Quarnoz]

The idea of points making a defenseman "good" makes me want to see more videos about defensemen (or even forwards) that made their goalie's jobs easier. As you mentioned Rod Langway in this video as a good example of that sort of thing, others like Derian Hatcher, Brad McCrimmon, or ones you grew up with that you loved on your teams or greatly respected.

[@pjabrony8280]

I've always thought that Murphy was underrated. Whenever he was on the ice, the other team had to pay attention to him, and that made other guys like Ulf Samulelsson or Slava Fetisov better.

[@tchevrier]

one of the most underrated players

[@viperswhip]

I always liked Larry Murphy, he looked great out there.

[@kylestoddart]

amazing video. I wont lie there were times of frustrations. As a Leaf fan, because of reason...RESPECT Larry Murphy RESPECT

[@richardmelendez8614]

Langway, Stevens, and Murphy are in HOF

[@patch8376]

I think Murphy also had a good showing at the '87 Canada Cup, if I recall correctly.

[@marknilsson6808]

We need a Career video of Jason Allison 😎✌️

[@shaunchappell784]

Smooth skating, calm, creative, quick thinking and never did anything flashy. Just what you want from a D-man......he also invented the flip dump without icing the puck.

[@dansonofchris]

I meet him when I was in grade 8 at an autograph signing, and as a life long Red Wings fan I was crushed because he was not a very nice guy. I just remember he was like “ok, here’s your autograph, who’s next.” I want to give him the benefit he was just having a bad day.

[@jlanshrk9102]

I've met him several times and he's always been really nice. He's a quiet, unassuming guy, which is why I find it funny he's in broadcasting now.

[@mistermet1756]

Nice story...with all the great players in the 80s and 90s it was easy to get lost in the shuffle...hats off to Larry Murphy..BTW.... maybe an episode on the Sutter brothers...and don't forget Joey and Brian Mullen...

[@oceanshrugs9235]

My brother called him 'Bag of Bricks' in Detroit because he was so slow. I didn't mind him

[@terrygilroy675]

Growing up in Scarborough we used to see Larry working on his shot all the time and my dad said he was going to be in the NHL someday

[@draheim90]

Murphy was huge for Detroit. In the ‘97 playoffs he and Lidström were paired up against the opposing teams’ best lines, including Colorado’s and Philly’s Legion of Doom. Did a great job shutting them down and contributing to Vernon’s Conn Smythe (Vernon had a 1.76 GAA that run). And despite going against opposing teams’ best players he went +16 in the playoffs which led the team and I’m pretty sure was tops across all players. The #2 defensive pairing in those playoffs was Konstantinov and Fetisov as well…amazing top-4 D they had that year.

[@toriamansfield2999]

He was in the '87 Canada Cup too, iitc.

[@RichardZou]

Always another banger video

[@michaelkrutz5737]

Thanks Toronto.. Papa Smurf was awesome in Detroit.

[@matthewdaley746]

Now that the Blues have won a, Cup, Toronto is where teams trade their bag of pucks, so, they can get, "The, Final Piece."

[@michaelkrutz5737]

@@matthewdaley746 lol... so true.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Michael Krutz Funny how Toronto seems to have won, Championships, in just about every sport out there, except, hockey, they're just, snake-bit.

[@michaelkrutz5737]

@@matthewdaley746 Yep... rumor has it if you put your ear up to a seashell you here Toronto choking... lol.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@michaelkrutz5737 Better, than, the sound of Harold Ballard laughing at them from beyond the grave, I guess, a twisted coping mechanism.

[@WanderingBrushArt]

Always reminds me of the dude in Robocop

[@Orinocomplex]

Watching him on home ice in Toronto. Poor guy. Those fans never gave him a break. Constant Boo’s

[@dankallish5998]

Larry had some rough nights on the mic before he was let go in 2012. This is a pretty infamous example - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYG1hmqwg7OpapI There were times on the broadcasts where it seemed as though he was really slurring his words or struggling to formulate a complete thought. I do not want to perpetuate rumors, especially considering he's been great since returning to the broadcast team. If, IIIIIIIFFFFF, he was let go due to a drinking problem and he was able to get himself squared away, that's a great redemption arch for a heck of a player and an interesting analyst.

[@matthewdaley746]

It may have been head injuries, given the substantial length of his career, that might prove to be a more likely explanation.

[@dankallish5998]

Matthew Daley that’s an excellent point, I hadn’t taken that into consideration.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@dankallish5998 Thank you, to be fair, concussions weren't taken seriously, until the last few years, so, there are many players who may have been overlooked.

[@hivoltagefx4]

Miss him as a Capital. It was so hard seeing him as a Penguin!!

[@matthewdaley746]

He would have stayed longer had the Penguins not broken up overnight, oh, the Spring of 1993, when everything was perfect in Pittsburgh, until it wasn't.

[@BrettHornby]

He was one of those role players later in his career that helped Pittsburgh and Detroit win their Stanley Cups.

[@matthewdaley746]

Yeah, but, his later career would have been wasted had he stayed there longer, that team fell off a cliff, after, 1993, until 2009, that is.

[@allsystemsgo8678]

I don't know about "role player". Makes him sound like a third line guy playing 8 minutes a game.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Satori Me, neither, I guess, after, Nicklas Lidstrom, everybody, somehow, forgot about all of the other defensemen, it is very odd.

[@nollieflipcrook]

Yeah I wouldn’t call a defenseman who scored 85 points in a season a “role player” lol.

[@hotdogwater7037]

@@matthewdaley746 yeah nobody remembers chris chelios, vladimir konstantinov, slava fetisov, or paul coffey

[@stanley6282]

Murphy had a big influence on Lidstrom. Without Murphy who knows how good Nick would have been. Thanks to Toronto for giving up on him

[@matthewdaley746]

Thanks more to Kevin Stevens for thinking, "visors are for pussies," or, Larry Murphy wouldn't have been available, which, by his twisted logic, means that Larry Murphy was a pussy.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Todd Peterson Still, Nicklas Lidstrom should have played in the shortened 2013 season, they win the Cup if he does, that's truly a classless gesture, unbelievable.

[@matthewdaley746]

@Todd Peterson Dino Ciccarelli was the Anti-Mike Keane, and, the poster boy for empty offense, the Red Wings never won until he shoved off, coincidence, I think not.

[@allsystemsgo8678]

Fantastic dman. I'm an Isles fan so I have no bias here. Great two way dman. I never understood how so many teams let him go. Shame on Toronto fans for booing him out of town.

[@MultiKalmer]

Interesting to discuss about who's the greatest defenceman who hasn't won the Norris Trophy. Larry Myrphy is definitely a serious candidate for that title.

[@matthewdaley746]

I'd throw Adam Foote into that discussion, he was so, much like Rod Langway, but, he was never that good offensively, and, that really cost him.

[@poonking3628]

I’m very glad as a Kings fan that I wasn’t alive in the 1980s to witness the stupidity of their management team.

[@dank3457]

Glad to hear the Leafs media/fans haven't changed a bit over the years.

[@timburr4453]

Murphy was a solid under the radar defenseman for a very long time. Not flashy but skilled, outstanding puck mover and passer. Smooth and efficient in everything he did. Was never a great pure defender, but was definitely above average in that regard

[@nickcody7092]

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[@subraxas]

:-D :-D :-D

[@evolved543]

Lol

[@nollieflipcrook]

Kinda crazy that he never won a Norris trophy when you look at his career stats like that. Kinda reminds me of John Carlson in that way. Puts up big numbers every year, but somehow never wins the Norris. Both Caps legends too.

[@sdgakatbk]

I saw Murphy play at the Capital Centre in Landover as a Cap many nights. Early on there were times I thought he was the best defenseman on the Caps. His points may have been down but the Caps were not playing such a wide open offensive style with Bryan Murray as coach, (if they had, they might have kept Maruk). A lot of fans in Washington never took to Larry and were too tough on him. Later they would yell "Whoops! Whoops! Whoops!" when he'd get the puck at the point on the power play and I think he let it affect his game. He had some clutch moments with the Caps. I remember a regular season game where he scored 2 goals and an assist and was number 1 star. At one point during the game, there was a 2 on 1 break where he was back. The Capital Centre went silent but he made a beautiful poke check, knocking the puck off one of the skaters' stick and broke it up. He just didn't take the opposing player into tomorrow like Langway or Stevens might have. In another game, I remember him scoring a goal with less than a minute in the third period, either to tie the game or to go ahead by 1, (I think the later). Of course there was the headman pass that sprung Dale Hunter who scored in game 7 against the Flyers in o.t. I am glad he won the cups he did, even if two of them were with the Penguins.

[@swy334]

I love murphy commentary

[@UncleAnaesthesia]

Larry Murphy's career totals are insane and it seems like he quietly did it too.

[@Christhegreatbro]

Let’s just skip that Time he spent in Toronto haha....”cries a little”

[@jean-philippedoyon9904]

Top 5 biggest trade mistake of Toronto...He deserved his cup in Detroit !

[@trevorlambert4226]

I don't know if you ever did that video on players who came in strong and faded fast, but near the top of that list would have to be Guy Chouinard. Scored 50 goals in his third season, averaged over 1.27ppg from '78-'82, tapered off for a couple of seasons then was retired from the NHL by age 27. Not due to injury or anything either, he got demoted to the IHL at the start of '84 and just packed it in after 9 games. I looked up Ken Houston's career, and it doesn't really seem to match with the "came in really strong and didn't last long" model. He had 11 points in 38 games his rookie year, then settled in to the 40-50 point range pretty much every year after that. So really kind of the opposite of coming in strong, and while his career wasn't extraordinarily long, it wasn't short either, 8 full seasons, retiring at age 31.

[@nickokona6849]

If Evan Bouchard can be 10% of Larry Murphy, that’s a win for Edmonton.

[@fedorovexpress]

I could tell in the 99-00/00-1 season he was pretty much done. During the playoffs he was getting beat a lot. Milan Hejduk from Colorado was clearly whipping by him. If I also recall correctly. In the 2001-2002 season, Colorado was looking for a veteran depth defensemen and I think they talked to him but went with Todd Gill instead.

[@whoismarkk]

oh this one is great

[@kartzstormstool861]

great video Shannon. You should do one on Craig Muni, love to hear your take on that one.

[@matthewdaley746]

Three Cups, no goals, one of those stats, that's just completely weird.

[@kartzstormstool861]

@@matthewdaley746 3 cups in 4 years, yet played just 19 games in 6 years previous for a crummy Leafs team.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@kartzstormstool861 Toronto fans, somehow, just got even sadder reading that, strange.

[@JBthree24]

The most underrated dmen in nhl history

[@Lawomenshoops]

Another name to add for the started strong, didn't last career would be Jimmy Carson. 141 goals in his first 240 games/first three seasons. Then 134 goals in 386 games, for the rest of his career.

[@matthewdaley746]

Not to mention that the first lines of his obit will read, traded for Wayne Gretzky, and, didn't even stick around town long enough to win a Cup merely by showing up.

[@Lawomenshoops]

@@haraldgriefbacon1373 The stat that always stood out to me about Carson, was the number of power play goals. I think his ratio of PP goals to even strength goals in his first 3-4 years, was something like 45%. So, if you're not on the PP, you won't score goals. In Detroit, he was third line center, and not getting the PP time.

[@matthewdaley746]

@@Lawomenshoops Said before, bears repeating, traded before he won a Cup.

[@chriscostello117]

As a Caps fan all I can say is Whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop

[@dnasty312]

Anyone know where I can get that Penguins jersey with Mario's name and 'C'?

[@klompsauce]

Holy Jumpin! A Murph vid!?

[@ericscottstevens]

Larry "Murph" is a great play by play announcer, but was let go after some episodes of un-professionalism while on the job. With Darren Elliot (who sucked) moving from FoxDetroit over to LV Golden Knights, Larry was brought back on a probation status and he still is a great announcer but a bit of a homer. Stats aside Larry turned the tide for the Red Wings roster after being cast off by Toronto. Scotty Bowman leap at the chance to add the veteran to the roster.

[@smegger2000]

Never liked him when he was on my North Stars. I remember poor defensive play.

[@jonathanmills7994]

Larry Murphy and Chris Osgood with FSD

[@williammontroy9024]

Lol I love Murphy he was a favorite of mine in the cup runs ... but man some nights he was brutal in the booth and I mean he had to be a bit buzzed at Least to my eye lol .. that said I still love Murph even got to meet him very briefly in 08 after the game hank scored a hat trick against the jackets

[@matthewdaley746]

Looks like broadcasting just wasn't the next skill for him.

[@swedreamhack5308]

Brian Propp, Jimmy Carson, Cam Neely or Neal Broten next?

[@RobotWillie]

An interesting series might be looking at one Year wonders. As I have done before in comments I can give an NFL example because I know it more but I want you to teach me some examples of this in the NHL. So an example is Peyton Hillis who about 8-9 years ago became this breakout runningback for the Browns and even got voted to be the cover of Madden 12, and then he never did much after that one year and never did much before that year either. Pretty much that one year and being on the cover of the game are all he is known for. The year after his 1100 yard and 11 TD rushing and 2 receiving TD season he had half as many yards rushing and only 3 rushing TD with none receiving. And his first year he had 300 some odd yards. With every year after the 550 yard season going down in production with 309,247 and 115 his last year rushing and nothing impressive receiving either.

[@dibs0equiped]

Sandwitched between is Toronto OUCH

[@eddixon2015]

The Capitals of the late 80’s had Scott Stevens, Rod Langway, Larry Murphy, and Mike Gartner. Four Hall of Famers and they didn’t even manage to get to the Stanley Cup Final. How?

[@matthewdaley746]

Mad skills, terrible luck, to be fair, they wouldn't have beaten, the, Oilers, or, Flames, anyway.

[@Lawomenshoops]

A 90's LA Kings fan- Who is Larry Murphy? Or I didn't know Larry Murphy played for the Kings.

[@zwfan1983]

What did those futures from Detroit to Toronto ever end up being?

[@daveyoung6190]

He was good 👍

[@connorvila9221]

Career of Bob Probert

[@matthewdaley746]

He's basically Scott Stevens without the hardware, and/or, Dale Hunter without the production, without hockey, he's a pimp, or, a legbreaker, unquestionably.

[@coltukkor]

Toronto booed Murphy out of town and let me tell you it was well justified.

[@bradywilliams2666]

How? Looking at the stats. His first yr there he was almost a point a game. The 2nd yr wasn't has good. Did he have an injury that yr? Because he came back and wins back to back cups.

[@coltukkor]

Brady Williams This is one of those cases where stats don’t tell the whole story.By the time he landed in Toronto he was starting to get up there in age.(mid thirties) His foot speed was most notably slower.He kept getting hemmed in his own zone.It was clear the other teams targeted him on the forecheck.He was a turnover machine. Think Jake Gardiner x2 minus the skating ability. He was quite good on the powerplay.I wont take that away from him.Thats is where most of the stats came from. On top of all that he had that personality where he wouldn’t take responsibility. It just rubbed people the wrong way I think In Detroit however he was well insulated.That team was absolutely stacked. Yzerman,Federov,Shanahan,Larionov,Lidstrom,Konstantinov,Fetisov. Along with good support players Kozlov, Lapointe, and Mccarty,to name a few. He just needed to be a support player.I really don’t think he spent nearly as much time in his own zone to be targeted. To his credit though he seemed rejuvenated.Detroit was a team that wanted him I think he felt more appreciated there and that motivated him. In any case it wasn’t a good fit in Toronto.He was much more exposed there.

[@faunbudweis]

didnt he play as Lidstrom's partner the first few seasons in Detroit?

[@h-minus5537]

Murph!

[@KevinWindsor1971]

Woop woop woop Murph Alert!

[@dsc4178]

Leafs have a bad habit of putting really good secondary players in leading roles and being surprised when they can't lead. Murphy, Kessel, Versteeg, Blake.....

[@matthewdaley746]

It went on for far longer than that, they, somehow, thought Doug Gilmour, Wendel Clark, and, Felix Potvin, were leaders of men, when they really were all simply massive underachievers.

[@ianzang2178]

How often does future considerations get traded? Seems like a lot? Poor guy

[@ddc2784]

Hi cats

[@vickiem.6096]

Watch "Wingspan: Table For Three" on Fox Sports Detroit YT channel. It's in 4 parts. Well Done. #LGRWS

[@carparthero]

thank you THG. what this video means to me, it is a middle finger to to all the idiot maple leafs fans who elephant dumped on him. luv'd that he helped DET win 2 cups after he was run outta town. oh by the way i really appreciated your videos on the CF's and SCF, esp last nite (gm 5) bcuz i had to catch some sleep bcuz working overtime shifts. (i will never complain about OT shifts, better too much work than too little) when i had my lunch break today, i really appreciated your breakdown video about the amazing game 5 2ot gm. the way you explained everything, you made me feel like i was actually watching the game when i was trying to get some sleep lol 😉 as always cheers from southern ontario canada 🍁 and i'm so dying for mon nite to happen. (i booked off an approved vacation day so no excuses on my part to be tired to watch the gm lol) am predicting TBL closes the deal mon nite, but selfishly hoping for a gm 7. the SCF games have been too amazing...the guys on both teams are pouring their blood sweat and tears onto the ice!!

[@matthewdaley746]

Tampa Bay is livid they have to stay in the bubble, they haven't lost consecutive Games all Playoffs, and, the Stars, aren't, good enough, three strikes, and, you, are, out.

[@carparthero]

@@matthewdaley746 hopefully your input rings true mon nite. imo TBL doesn't really need to change anything. just keep attacking and hard-hitting DAL players anytime the DAL guy has the puck. for heaven's sake how can DAL's casino luck continue being outhit and outshot?? kinda like ordering a brand new car of choice with custom features lol, for the mvp my heart says it should go to the canadian kid point ❤ . my hockey brain tho says hedman and even kuch has a legit argument. so many great players on TBL! cheers and hope u enjoy the gm mon nite 🏒

[@matthewdaley746]

@steven_igo_4uf Thank You, the Stars, likely, go down in a rout, emotion only carries a team, so, far, and, their time's run out.

[@carparthero]

@@matthewdaley746 hope you enjoyed the game wherever you reside. overall it was amazing hockey in this SCF. tonite's game was anticlimactic. while not a rout it was overwhelmingly in tampa's favor in terms of o-zone poss, shots and the TBL PP came thru again. cheers from southern ontario 🍁

[@matthewdaley746]

@steven_igo_4uf I live in, Palm Harbor, Florida, this Game, and, these entire Playoffs, were, scintillating, Cheers from the brand new home of, the, Stanley Cup.

[@ddc2784]

Hi

[@droz313x]

He was fired from Fox Sports because he liked to drink on the job, not because of ratings.

[@tensortab8896]

FSD fired him because he started wearing weird glasses.

[@BigSho0ter]

facts bruh. not a good look for murph

[@paveldatsyuk7175]

Murrrrrff

[@MikeMike-l9s]

maybe one of the worst trades ever by the Kings

[@sirfoegs4313]

Larry Murphy is the worst TV personality to ever talk into a Camera for the wings.

[@matthewdaley746]

Luckily, they're so, bad now, very few people are watching.

[@jordza2k11]

insert crying Leaf fans here... what was it you got for dropping him again?...

[@matthewdaley746]

They got more than the Penguins did, Kevin Stevens had a terrible work ethic, a big mouth, and, a body made of glass, Larry Murphy had none of those things, the difference seems obvious.

[@jordza2k11]

@@matthewdaley746 true but the Leafs actually got zero as the future considerations I really doubt became Larry Murphy even at his advanced age, even the Pens got more and yes it was Kevin Stevens but still better than nothing I'd say :P also got Dimitri Mironov, better than nothing too

[@matthewdaley746]

@@jordza2k11 Future considerations are like that, sometimes you get gold, or, perhaps, lead, videos dictate that point very well many times.

[@jordza2k11]

@@matthewdaley746 well thats not wrong like, but when Detroit can say they paid more for Kris Draper than Larry Murphy... ouch I'll leave the Leafs in the corner

[@matthewdaley746]

@@jordza2k11 Kris Draper, who basically on taking hits was just about as good at that as Kevin Stevens, despite his rings.