Revolutionary Launch or Stale Repetition?

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

I'm 100% behind this kind of release. It lets GW sell to newer players with fancier sculpts WITHOUT invalidating the current model range that players bought, built, and painted - aka 28mm Space Marines. Just release your new "Primaris" marines on 32mm bases as a new mark of armor without relegating all of our existing collections to the bin to receive codex support. I'm really happy that my small collection of Stormcasts hasn't suddenly been shitcanned because a new sprue was released.

[@adrianscott4288]

While I agree with the sentiment, the cynic in me is convinced GW will add a new option to the unit (a banner, or magic lantern or whatever) that'll effectively invalidate everyone's old Liberators without *technically* making the old models obsolete. It's what they've done with just about every recent 40k kit they've resculpted.

[@overlordfuzz9254]

*whispering in your ear like George Bush’s aide* you might wanna look at Warhammer Community real quick 🥲

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

@@overlordfuzz9254 Yeah, I saw that. Figures, was too good to be true but if they release similar units, like the flying winged guys, then I’ll just use the ones I have. They can forget buying new stuff if existing models look close enough.

[@Scarycrow89]

They're paladins, holy warriors of a Storm God. They arrived on the battlefield on dragons or through lightning. Not my favorite, but they are objectively cool to my eyes. Like Dinosaur-man riding dinosaurs who shoots laser, not my favorite, not my army, but cool.

[@loopgru]

Agreed, but the models- especially newer slimcast imo- don't communicate that story at all. Show me models with a 3 point landing and lightning auras and a shield the size of a barn door, not Just Some Guy in a static pose with a hammer I could swing.

[@willcorcoran]

​@@loopgruput a Stormcast beside a regular oomie, they tower over them. If Bastian Carthalos isn't selling it to you, then I don't know what to say.

[@loopgru]

@@willcorcoranHe's an exception to the rule. Look at the liberator model we were shown today. Sure, that's a big dude. Solid running back type. But is that a magically enhanced hero of legend? I'm not seeing it.

[@willcorcoran]

@@loopgru like I said, gotta put beside a normal human. Context is key.

[@olafolafsson2755]

Liberators are the most basic dudes have you seen yndrasta, the bowdude, Annihilators, praetors???

[@SaltySeadogKP14]

I like Stormcast

[@Copperbagel]

Me too

[@lelouchvibritannia3613]

Good for you

[@bumgilligan]

Yup, they are cool 😎

[@daisuke133]

booh on you, man (jk)

[@changer_of_ways_999]

"I like turtles"

[@samuelmitchell1700]

I understand stormcast not being someone’s cup of tea visual wise, but I feel like once you read a few of the books and lore, they are leagues above space marines.

[@Rhuiner]

I'll give you that for sure as a general statement

[@changer_of_ways_999]

Strength or complexity? If it's strength, that's just gary stuism. Not really a selling point. "They're the bestest ever." If they're complex, nuanced, and compelling, then maybe. But I would find it hard that'd be the case. While many SMs are stoic boring ass sticks in the mud, there are a few complex and standout characters.

[@generalgrizzly7914]

I love the lore for stormcast, heros who took valiant stands against chaos, died and were reforged into weapons of order. I love my holy knights/paladins, they fight for to protect the weak. Their arrival is heralded by thunder before dropping down from lightning bolts clad in armor and riding dragons. I dont know it just so metal to me, like I have always loved the chaos warriors and how they're straight up evil, but I also always wanted a more righteous holy equivalent and I get that with the stormcast. Also they are easy to paint and to collect which is a big plus saves on both time and money.

[@daverini9307]

I’m pretty into immortal warrior paladins made of lightning that hit dudes with unreasonably sized hammers. That’s…pretty rad for a basic faction.

[@Margiak]

I can't agree more

[@decokane1019]

Stormcast are exactly fantasy space marines. They're safe, easy, a little bit boring. Most people have a collection of them knocking about and a few people have them as favourites. Just like primaris marines were a way to sell space marines to space marine players thunderstrike is a way to sell stormcast to stormcast players.

[@krimson4980]

Yep. I play Dark Angels, too. I bought the new models

[@parheli0n259]

I'm a massive stormcast fan, they sell me on the heavy armored paladin fantasy and I prefer elite armies. But I only collect the thunderstrike armor and dragons (dominion box) because the silhouette are way better and the dont feel like chubby little men, and im excited about the new liberator so i bonk people with hammers as battleline.

[@BritishBrush]

Im not a massive fan of painting either and when choosing my army to get into AoS a couple of years ago the ease of painting was a massive factor in my choice of army as i wanted to make sure it was going to be an easy process so i chose OBR, an awesome looking army and simple enough to paint. So with this nice and simple stormcast model i think its a great idea to make one of the starter armies super easy to get on the table. Stormcast were even an option for me, again because they look nice and simple to paint up and tbh they still on my radar when thinking about starting a new army.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

"So, what's new?" "We added a metal thing to the helmets" "Anything else?" "Yeah, we're canceling like a third of the models and removing whole factions." "Brilliant."

[@TheGraham27]

I didn't really like stormcast when they first came out, they were ok, I play and focused on my seraphon, and death armies. But since the slim version came out I like them more. And their lore has changed which I like as well. And I can relate to them more. Life keeps kicking the shit out of me, and I break down, build myself back up and reforge myself, over and over lol...but with age, just getting a little more and more tougher and not giving a F, lol.

[@myzorbos]

Reforging has a pretty clear thread to dementia/alzheimer's, but yeah you're totally right that it also mirrors the general shit of living as an adult. here's to getting older and not giving a F!

[@FlipityGibett]

I like them because they fight the closest to Hellenic Greek armies. A hodgepodge of unit types with many different kinds of units focused on elites.

[@TattooedTabletop]

Admittedly I was a part of the group that didn't really understand Stormcast Eternals. Their initial launch sold them as these immortal warriors who died and come back and there was no real consequence. I became a fan when they had flushed out their lore and the fact that each time they die that they keep losing parts of themselves. It creates stakes to their death. Which in turn is leading to the Ruination Chamber which I also think is kind of dope. I think at some point we will see chaos SCE, but otherwise I am happy that they are updating these scopes because I really like what they've done with the Vindictors, Vanquishers, etc.

[@Copperbagel]

Don't know how much I like them in this sleeker sculpt, makes them look a little less intimidating, an powerful (especially the tiny shields) but good nonetheless.

[@For_the-Emperor]

Agreed, I liked the older look. Big hulking heavy armor warriors. These new guys look like they’re wearing medium to light armor.

[@Solitayre_sedai]

They still look like cybermen to me

[@christophersteeves9435]

Not gonna lie, I thought the stormcast eternals were pretty boring until they dropped Yndrasta. Then I started reading some of the other stormcast books and became more of a fan

[@brainstorm90]

I like stormcast because I prefer elite armies both for painting and gaming reasons. I'm a good painter (won plenty of competitions) but I get bored easily and hate repetition, so I like to paint a small amount of models good and fast, and it helps if they don't have a lot of details; because more details doesn't necessarily means better looking mini. In terms of gaming I prefer a tanky playstyle, so 2 or 3W models instead of hordes of wet noodles; I've tried aelves armies and hated them because their lack of "staying power" and I could never imagine painting dozens of idoneth or CoS (or even worse goblins, ghouls or other hordes) just to see them die turn one.

[@alexwatts1356]

I love my Stormcast Eternals. From the models to the Lore. Do they win me games? Not really, but I like the play with lots of the Redeemers not the shooting stuff. I’m also alright with not a lot of people playing them compared to marines because Space Marine Bloat is my least favorite thing about 40k. Half the factions are marines. I like Stormcast being 1 of 25ish factions. My other army is Cities of Sigmar and I love these being almost opposites of each other in the design and aesthetic. I especially love when these two things come together though.

[@davidteel7701]

I like stormcast because I like their aesthetic and the idea of them. Their lore is a cool way of making fantasy space marines without them just being bland copies of space marines. The flaws of reforging make them an interesting exploration of the extremes of different ideals. I think the newer, more Greco-Roman inspired design looks much better, but I could care less about the lore justification for it. I pick my factions on what I think looks cool, and I think Stormcast Eternals look cool.

[@woofergranade2044]

I love Stormcast externals… because DRAGONS!!!

[@Basscannon90]

I came into AoS December last year, and Stormcast were the reason. Love the gold lads, and they have great lore imo (at least in comparison to 1st edition, from my understanding). You're right, the fact they are easier to paint and are elite and need less models to play were a big draw for me. I'll also say that through Stormcast, I've become much more confident in my painting skills and have just bought a SBGL Vanguard box (love the skele boys too). This is something I never would have done if I didn't start with Stormcast first. Lastly, I dig the new Liberators. My 2000 point Stormcast list doesn't need them, but I'll get them anyway because they look cool imo 👍

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Great reply. Great to have you in the hobby!

[@Basscannon90]

@@thehonestwargamerstreams thanks, keen for 4th edition!

[@Hebwastaken]

Not a huge Stormcast fan myself but my wife loves hers and I appreciate why they are a thing. It’s great we can all find things we love about the universe!

[@Gigasius]

I do love my art deco-einherjer-zeus-spartans. They're just neat.

[@dtrainminis]

As long as they're moving away from the bearded helmets I'm happy.

[@Niekvw]

I like them, great and good choice for a refresh of models that now seem totally out of line with the new design aesthetic of the Stormcast Eternals. Thunderstrike already seemed like a refresh, so for older kits to follow seems to me like a fairly logical decision.

[@wendellstephens6311]

I like the Stormcast, because they're basically an army of Thor's. The all grey colors of the new models and how cool they look in the 4th edition trailer only plants this idea further into my mind. 'That's my relative newbie impression of them.

[@thewellandvalley2103]

The Stormcast lore is far more interesting than I thought having now read some of the books… and I think the new models are totally aimed at novice hobbyists. These will be quite easy to look decent on the table and a good entry point. I think this, along with the modular rules / Spearhead, should make AOS a really great entry game which can then progress into full-blown hobby/gaming… good moves from GW.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Don't hate it at all. Just not aimed at me

[@alBoomer19]

I love the new liberator. Only the Faithful!

[@DaGwimWeaper]

Personally, I’m on the fence of the new Liberator sculpt. They look identical to Vindictors. IMHO this is incredibly lazy. Plus I’ve never liked the face helmet motif so that one doesn’t bother me much since I know people who can 3D print replacements with any STLs I find. Hopefully they come with weapon options for aesthetics in the form of swords and hammers, I prefer swords. If not then 3D printing also saves this. Overall, not really hyped for the new sculpt.

[@Kelgrim]

the stormcast are exactly what we wanted. Thunderstrike updated beautiful liberators etc

[@SirCircon]

Was very needed, they will hopefully replace all the chunky stormcast to slim versions, both for 1st and 2nd edition stormcast, as new editions come out. They also need to slim down the book imo, they have to many sheets that do nothing, much like marines, but in a 1/4 of the time that marines have been on the table. Sidenote, also hope they bring out ''firstborne'' marine units again in primaris size, primaris tactical squad etc. : )

[@What2Have4Dinner]

Stormcast are so vanilla it hurts. I have avoided Aos solely because of them. I randomly discovered Cities of Sigmar because of a friend and now here I am. Swear I'm not making this up. I'm sitting here with the CoS spearhead box in front of me. Changing the heads though

[@HyperRealitySuperFun]

They changed all of the cool parts. The helm,shield and waist armor.

[@danh945]

I really like the new models. If nothing else it's nice to have some extra variety for what is the bread and celestial butter of the army. I'd much prefer this to more and more units with extra names and rules. Great work by GW; very excited for the launch set - plus even more clan rats! What's not to love?

[@TheEr910]

I like the Sacrosanct Chamber because knights in robes are cool. I do like the simple Liberator as it will be easy and quick to paint beginners. I feel the baseline troops should be quick to paint since you have to pain a lot of them.

[@sharp_shooter9715]

As one of the players that came in part way through AOS 3, Stormcast brought me to the table. I saw Cities as just traditional human fantasy, Skaven as walking rats that every RPG has in basements and sewers as the first enemy you fight and then Stormcast just came across as these larger, elite super soldiers with dragons. I mean come on without context, for new players they do look cool. Little did I know they were not quite as epic to play, but they did draw me in.

[@40kVallin]

I got mostly into Stormcast with the short story of the Hallowed Knights and the books with Gardus Steelsoul. I just like these holy warriors. But I changed mine with old and new Bretonian helmets, this already adds a lot of character to them. Plus I really like Gardus Steelsoul because of his story, I still hope he will become the Lord Dominus or what the title is called.

[@colbybastian17]

I love stormcast, and this model in particular. The helmet has "iron mask" vibes that sell me on the fact that as they are reformed, the Stormcast become more bodies in a cage than warriors in armor. As for Stormcast as a whole, they aren't boring, they're blank. They are a blank slate upon which you can imprint, with the completely open backstory that you can be anyone, come from anywhere, and be brought together into a faction as a tragic immortal warrior by a desperate, selfish god.

[@MarshalJack]

Like them and nice refresh of the humble liberator and looking forward to more miniatures!

[@Motovampyro]

You're exactly right on the Stormcasts being cooler next to Steelhelms. I play Cities of Sigmar and having allied Stormcasts just looks so cool, you really see and feel much more how tall and tough they are, and so how odd and superhuman they are. I was really happy when I saw the Saviours of Cinderfall set, because that lone Keeper Aqshian TOWERS over my steelhelms, even over my marshals. Stormcasts are cool in the books only when regular humans interact with them, and when they do, most of the time the latter are absolutely terrified. I wish this was reflected better in the tabletop game, rather than it being "big dudes in armor go bonk"

[@gabrielwalton4097]

stormcast stan from day one, Armies of heroic mortals turned einherjar-esque Mythic Heroes destined to lose themselves to Lightning Dementia? They are awesome and have an air teagedy that gets missed by a lot of people 👌

[@truffleshuffle34]

New liberators are awesome! I was excited to see them.

[@cristhianmlr]

It feels like a simple weapon swap. If they had the tabard I'd be fully on board. Such a small detail makes a such a big difference.

[@WargamerNed]

From my limited experience at my LGS, Stormcast are NOT the poster boys of AoS. Cities of Sigmar are. The amount of love the new cities models are getting is amazing. Stormcasts? Meh. While they're super cool on paper, I think most of us like that underdog feel cities give. Who doesn't want to root for the poor bastard in cheap armor as Korghos Khul musters a goretide equal to 100 waaaaaghs?

[@UntiltedName]

The new guy is pretty slick though I don't like how the eye slits make him look a little too sure of himself.

[@nurglematthew893]

Let's flippin' go+!! I'm with him on this !! Grot Team! Paint Gobbos!

[@joshsigel4239]

I enjoy SCE because I can’t make a decision in what I want to play and these guys have so many models. I agree that they are mid but that’s not always a terrible thing. I also like fielding very hyper-specific units and watching them get taken out by all the other armies. Lastly they are fairly easy to play and trying to teach kids how to play is easy with this army.

[@andreaskarlsson6352]

These ones actually look good

[@oliviercoosemans2120]

It makes sense to me that they start the showing with liberators. They are the posterboys of aos but also who would care after they show us the new rat ogors or clawlord on mount? It's like receiving a carrot after you ate kobe beef

[@Bazanti]

Hold on, we are betting on the fact that everything we saw in the the AOS 4 trailer will be included in the box. There are Steelhelms in the trailer. Steelhelms in the starter box? (they will be able to ally in 4.0 aa well no doubt.) Will make for a great contrast and make clear that Stormcast are BIG

[@traiantulbure3819]

Dull, safe and completely predictable. I don’t see the need for having a poster/ flagship army at all, as I think people are capable of choosing an army themselves… but I’m not in GW marketing trying to draw in new players.

[@getorix1]

Thought I liked Stormcast before this. Turns out I only like thunderstrike armour with cloth based accessories. An army of Bastian, yndrasta, neave, praetors, vigilors and vanquishers it is.

[@raigomander2817]

The wasted potential of the stormcast range is just sad.... 2nd ed was peak design imo: chunky armor, but with mage robes...awesome (stupidly unrealistic, as all fantasy should be)

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

I loved this kits too

[@raigomander2817]

@@thehonestwargamerstreams this comment of mine aged like fine wine, in just one day (sacrosant chamber is getting discontinued and won't even have rules next year....thousands and thousands of points in painted miniatures, unusable. Thanks GW, I'll make sure not to make the same mistake again)

[@shawnvaljean9260]

The kruleboyz and the thunderstrike stormcast looks are what finally got me to buy into warhammer. Even though I don't care for the games. I like this new model alot, but I agree that this shouldn't have been their first reveal. I think that they should have lead with a hero unit. Personally.

[@jasonward2482]

The only thing I'm concerned with is they might make the new and old Liberators different warscrolls. The chances of them doing this is solely depending if Thunderstrike will still be a keyword that the book and certain characters care about. Normally I don't care if a model gets a new sculpt but for SCE its either a chamber that gives them certain buffs or Thunderstrike which is only on the new armor for SCE.

[@SvartElric9]

They won't have different warscrolls

[@BecauseOfDragons]

I like the Stormcast a lot more since reading the lore behind them snd the character of them getting reforged etc. I think Cities are still MORE interesting but the Stormcast are still a favourite of mine from AoS. I do agree they should have led with the skaven preview though

[@space_bees]

The banner in the vindictors are now banners for liberators

[@highmarshalkenneth3284]

I don't care for Stormcast myself

[@WindlordRyu]

This is a nice model upgrade, if GW could produce their current lineup to demand it would be a 10/10 release. But when all warhammer games suffer from stock issues I think it's a waste of time, there's nothing wrong with the current Liberator kit, it's a modern quality GW kit, it didn't "need" replacing unlike the old Tyranid kits that got remakes in 10th 40k. This kit took the place of another new kit and I don't think it was worth it, imagine if the Skaven range gets left with some 20+ year old kit they could've upgraded instead. I like Stormcast cause i want the big chungus fullplate dudes that smash face with a hammer. Using a bow? Still fullplate because lighter armor is for weakling that don't hit the gym. Don't understand the Space Marine comparisons either, they look and sound like Custodes to me.

[@For_the-Emperor]

I like the old look of the Stormcast. Big bulky heavy armor looking warriors. These new ones look like medium to light armor which loses its intimidation factor a bit. I don’t get why one can’t be a heavy armor variant and the other be medium armor.

[@CanonessEllinor]

The thing about having Cities of Sigmar be the poster boy faction is that Stormcast were explicitly created because that didn’t work. In WHFB, the Empire (who the Cities are a direct continuation of) was the point-of-view faction, but according to GW new players were intimidated by the prospect of painting hordes of relatively tiny humans with exposed skin and visible faces. GW decided they needed something elite, without human faces or skin that was hard to paint, and Stormcast was the answer (despite Lizardmen being RIGHT THERE smdh.) Cities are like the Guard in 40k: Superior as a point-of-view faction (all the best books are Guard books, fight me bro), unsuitable as a hobby-onboarding faction. Personally, I thought the initial Stormcast were unspeakably derpy, but I’ve come around to them after the 3rd edition redesign. GW seems to have given up on transplanting Space Marines into fantasy and are increasingly just letting them be their own thing, and they are better for it.

[@jarettduker1507]

Got to say, if your watching this video or reading the article that inspired it, your already going to buy the 4th edition box. They don’t need to win you over, from a new player perspective, this might be spot on.

[@Starbladesarcane]

I just want to know when the launch box is going up for pre order, how much it will be and what’s going to be in it

[@kosherbeefcake]

It made me interested.

[@Colonel-WhiteRaven126]

Question is, are they going to blend warscrolls and kits together?

[@boltgunmetal]

These are tight. Helmets are tight. Non derpy upgrade.

[@DJRaffa1000]

I got into AoS on an joke. We in our warhammer friends cricle started with 40k and after a few years (6+?, but few in the grand scheme of things), some of them got into AoS and i was never interested. I am a space marine collector and have some random amount of tau and a knight army because robots are cool. One day, when they played a match i was watching and the system was intreaguing and i looked at some of the available armies and nothing really hit the mark for me. I like dwarfs but the firelsayers looked very 1 dimensional (both rules and "naked dwarfs with axes run into meele" model wise)". Then there was the kharadron overlords and boy oh boy do i like steampunk, but we knew that there will be a codex in the near future because of GWs release cadance. So i jokingly said "i'll get into AoS when the new KO book hits". Well, fast fordward the almost year it took for the codex tk arrive and i now have a KO army and really suck at playing them xD (mainly errors in misjuding the situation or having 10+ 45 points per model balloon boys or thunderers pop by an avalanch of mortal wounds because my enemies are skaven / the slaanesh tome that tempts me to death / gravelords with their charges) Then i found out that gotrek exists and along side him was the old start collecting fyreslayer box which costed me the same as the standalone magmadroth model, so i picked it up because the big "dinosaur" / salamander mix was cool and the rest of the box was essentaiy free. Well, that spiraled into 1500p fyreslayer + gotrek. And due to the stormbringer a friend of mine wanted to split and me looking deeper into Stormcast i now am sliding down another rabbit hole 😂 Overall i find the new liberators quite cool, the silver feels weird, but i can paint it whatever i like so thats not a problem. And i really lime that GW captured the feeling i get from tbe old liberators and put it into a skulpt that is more in line with the faction design language of the newer models. I'm quite stoked for the new edition and especially that the double turn (priority system) stays. Even tho our matcbes are basically always won or lost by the chaos created by the double turn (and we didnt figure out how to effectively guard against it) i wouldnt want to miss the mechanic at all

[@jajen2003]

Woohoo, new minis!

[@TheNeoanomally]

I absolutely love the new sculpts. It's always been a turn off to me that their core foot sloggers looked like space marines. The slim down models are great. Hoping we see the same for the prosecutors.

[@nolanherbort6522]

Stormcast 1st & 2nd, sigamrines Stormcast 3rd & 4th, actually an army that fits inside of AoS!

[@RealJahzir]

Awaiting your thoughts on the new Army building rules they released

[@squidjuice666]

2:18 "on the right hand side is the uhhh..." Don't worry rob nobody can keep track of all the silly stormcast names, vindicators, liberators, decimators... please stop GW. Joking aside, great video, I like the skinnycast eternals more than the old ones!

[@KhorgosKhul]

Also I don't think AOS should have a 'poster boy/flagship" faction.

[@Bowlzee]

You're talking about AoS 4th Ed... you've made a video about it. Start small, build to the more exciting stuff.... if you release this after new Sigmar Model... no one will talk about it :)

[@namewastaken360]

It's kind of like if they'd shown of the intercessors with flamers as the first thing from 40k tenth edition. Stormcast like Custodes are less interesting than Space Marines because they lack the wild variation you get between chapters. This one is painted silver instead of gold is just not as interesting as here's one who is a viking, and also riding a giant wolf.

[@Hahaha-yt2id]

The biggest issue I have with this is what they’re currently doing or done with primaris they seem to now be doing with sce is remastering old kits but removing all the options & extra bits they used to come with like I guarantee that liberator kit has been reduced to a hammer & shield or dual wielding hammers & 1 grand hammer whereas the old kit has dual wield hammer & sword shields grand hammer or great sword with loads of extra little bits you get way less for your money from the newer kits nowadays

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Neither or. Just new minis.

[@gregorycafiero9688]

Yeah, but measured reactions don't get clicks :/

[@cristianmurillo4873]

I love Stormcast

[@speeddemonpainting7050]

Age of Sigmar would not be here if not for Stormcast. Seeing AoS mature since "AoS joke rules" has been fun... For better or for worse, the SCE have been driving the narrative since day 1. For that reason alone, they should get credit. I don't think they are the standard, but they are at the forefront of all the story progression, so you could get the feeling they are the "gold standard"… while they are not. And SCE are indeed the lower barrier to entry for anyone looking to get into AoS (not for Wargaming though... Get yourself some historic 15mm or so tanks if you want easily accessible Wargaming).

[@bob3ironfist]

But she's got a new hat!

[@rotm4447]

its a fitting analogy of nerds going on 15 minute rants over analyzing cool plastic toys.

[@Shinonvrakking]

I play and collect stormcast, some of the heroes are really cool, and they are quite cheap to come by second hand

[@moustafa2253]

Age of Smegmar. These liberators are really cool, better than regular sigmarines. Now show Skaven.

[@ZombieMonkey7]

I call it- "Bold and Brash" More like "Belongs in the trash"

[@sawyerbarnes7439]

Free Guild For Life!!!!

[@nickmayne1901]

A lovely crisp mini that I can paint to any level I wish, a simple battle line unit, jeez what do you expect, enough of the hate

[@CaptinCrofty]

Massive tease mini

[@DaigotsuSoetsu]

The only reason I've considered SCE is that they are cheap/available, Elite and have everything: monsters, wizards, priests, cavalry, and shooting. Other than the Ironman look, I'm not a huge fan of the actual models and would likely proxy or kitbash if I did make an army.

[@3Rad1119]

I came to AoS from 40K and had such a hard time choosing a faction, they all looked so awesome and unique; the best model ranges from GW. I thought why in earth would you chose SCE, when there are tree people, snake ladies ect; then I ended up choosing SCE 😱😂. It was the Evo cats that got me in the end, and the Christmas box that year had 6 and was about 1250 points for not much money. I agree that the actual guys are pretty bland for the most part, the other parts are cool though, dragons, beast calvary and from 2nd ED, the sacrosanct models looked cool with more detail and dynamic poses. I like to think SCE more of like Angels vs Demons. Playing them on the tabletop is really fun though, you have some massive damage units, defensive lines and good shooting with some movement tricks.

[@CaptinCrofty]

Rob likes capes

[@michaelfouse4102]

ONLY THE FAITHFUL ⚡️

[@KhorgosKhul]

I know plenty of people who openly say they can't get into AOS because of stormcast.

[@mattbridges385]

I think you hit this one on the head with one statement. Dominion sold like poo and they have TONS of stuff left over. SCE is my army, and I think they are just going to stick an extra sprue in with the vindictors to get rid of the stock, and say "look now you can get 2 units out of one box....we did so good.....such value." No thanks

[@Tobben121]

Just wanted to add in, I'm glad this albeit a little boring release came now and not after the relaunch of skaven or the entirely new sculps. Imagine the disappointment of coming from one of those to this. The new lib just shows us that they're saving the best for last

[@Ko12395]

I started AoS with the dominion box. I had always been interested in Stormcast since they launched but the models availabe were, in my opinion, terrible to look at. Even into 2nd edition I just couldn't bring myself to like them but it was 3rd edition and the Thunderstrike armour that finally made me jump in. The dragon riders that came after just sealed the deal. And now I can field some liberators; a unit I actually quite like but they didn't fit my full Thunderstrike aesthetic.

[@mysticmouse7983]

I think Stormcaste are cool

[@krimson4980]

I saw this model and though it looked like a weapons option for vindictors. Don't get ne wrong, I play stormcast and will get at least one unit....

[@Est1987ish]

I think the Stormcast lore is great...while 1st seemingly boring theres a real unlying sinister nature to Sigmar creating the Stormcast. Basically washing them clean of a little more of their soul and humanity each time...for the "good guys" of the setting thats pretty dark...

[@Surtur04]

New Force Org is out.... Age of Sigmar has now become Age of Skew Lists

[@SamuraiMujuru]

Stormcast are nifty, but not really my cup of tea. The real answer is obviously Werewolf Queen. It's ALWAYS Werewolf Queen!

[@OnlyRoke]

I think the Stormcast are relatively mid, because they're trying to be too broad and universal. I absolutely LOVE Yndrasta and her angel wings and the new Prosecutors will be very exciting to me, but all the "footsoldier with hammer" vibes aren't my thing. Give me literal angelic warriors with feathery wings and you can appeal to my enjoyment of "warrior angel" or "Norse valkyrie" aesthetics tho.