Better Engine Building: Best Tips for Breaking in a New Camshaft

The first few minutes of operation will determine the long-term survival of your flat-tappet camshaft. More agressive lobe designs, stronger valvesprings and changes to the additives in modern motor oils makes a "wiped" cam lobe much more likely than in the days of classic muscle cars. These are a few very important tips for properly breaking in your high performance flat tappet camshaft.
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[@mikef-gi2dg]

This video was done a while ago, but it was clear and easy to understand. I am building very mild street stuff, and following this camshaft issue, almost has me convinced I can't break in a flat tappet cam....(the only type of cam I have ever used)....no matter what I do. Materials have changed over the decades, but I am going to follow the correct procedure AGAIN...and try it again.

[@brianferrell5346]

This is excellent info! I'd like to add, pre time your ignition. Rotate the engine to roughly 12 degrees btdc by the harmonic balancer and timing mark. With the ignition on and a timing light hooked up, rotate the distributor until the timing light fires. snug the distributor hold down, make sure you have fuel, and the engine should fire immediately.

[@freemanfornow264]

Is this with the est wire connected or disconnected?

[@billymanilli]

@@freemanfornow264 Ignition completely hooked up and key on.

[@victorrobison5069]

I agree with the "Moly-lube" bunch . I have built small block Chevys of all sizes, 6.5 Chevy diesels, 366 Chevy big blocks, 2.3 and 2.5 liter Fords, FE series Fords, Detroit Diesel 3-53 &4-53 engines, all were assembled with black molybdenum grease as assembly lube. First fire I ran them to 1800 rpm and held them there for 20-30 mins. Never had any valvetrain problems.

[@MH-on8ol]

Well I agree with most of this video. The failure rate of modern flat tappet cams is very very real. The 2000-2500 rpm is about the crank slinging oil up and onto the bottom of the lobes as they have no other source of lubrication. The laser cut lifter face holes do help with lubrication. I have built many motors and had up until very recently 100% success with cam break ins. I had a Comp cams 294s mechanical flat tappet eat two lobes. I used comp cams lube, break in additive and ran it as recommended. I was using comps lifters with lube holes. I noticed the lash opened up on two lobes and bingo cam is destroyed. Motor has to be removed completely dissembled and cleaned. I have a background in metallurgy and heat treating and question the quality of the modern cams casting materials and lifter material. I realize having parts manufactured in china is far more profitable but it comes at a price to the end user. The materials used, quality control and machining is simply inferior. I really have my doubts that the increase in cam failures is solely caused by a lack of zinc in modern oil. Incorrect pushrod length and valve geometry, worn and tight lifter bores or other problems that prevent the lifter from ROTATING are all cam killers. How many cams were failing in the 70s and 80s? The steps taken in this video are a little extreme but all good advice and will drastically reduce the chance of wiping out a lobe or 16. My question is what else is contributing to the failures. I would love to see a series of micro hardness tests, metal alloy comparisons, casting quality and machining comparisons with components made in the past when cam failures were far less common. Thanks for the video.

[@chrismontreuil2206]

D H well you are on to something because metal was cast and mixed far better in the sixties and early 70's. Now metal mixing is on the cheap. Nitrite our cams. Wonder if that will help?

[@mrcdm2605]

I'm glad you explained this. Now I don't have too.

[@victorrobison5069]

They do have another source of lubrication. The connecting rod boss has a hole that squirts oil at the cam lobes. The reason pistons are marked to locate the front is so the holes point to the cam, not away from it. If the engine builder is aware of this, that is.

[@silicon212]

@@victorrobison5069 That applies to some engines, not on the standard SBC. There is no 'spit hole' on mid '60s'-forward rods.

[@werewally3156]

So what camshaft manufacturer uses good materials in their cams?

[@BlueonGoldZ]

I love videos like this that deal with protecting and nurturing an engine.

[@chriscraft77022]

omg im about to do this and im glad i watched this video THANKS

[@whoguy4231]

WOW... Learnt something new... Good cam lobes spin the push rod.... Just WOW!!!

[@bobhilly546312156332]

Would it be a good idea to run the cam on valves that are to weak or would that not allow the cam to break in properly

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Back when you had to run flat tappets in a lot of stock car racing classes, engine builders would swap in a set of weak valvesprings just for break-in then swap em back out for the standard springs.

[@Dboyquicks10]

Thanks for the video. I almost feel comfortable doing this myself.

[@andyrbush]

This is good information, really well and clearly presented thank you.

[@speedskiff2]

good video and he was spot on about ZDDP removed from oils. Speed skiff community lost motors from flat tappet cam failures when additive removal occurred and is one reason OEMs use rollers now. Some dirt racers still use Rotella C4 as they said that is what builders recommend. C4 semi synthetic which may be the difference.

[@brianholcomb6499]

Finally, some actually explains the proper way to fire up a new engine! If you don’t believe horsepower monster, you best believe Keith Dorton from Automotive Specialty’s! He’s been in business forever, & has built more flat tappet small blocks than most anyone in the USA 🇺🇸! He’s built engines for the best of the best in circle track racing for decades! Also just because you have a roller cam doesn’t mean you should just start it & idle it either, it’s the same oiling system! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@TOMVUTHEPIMP]

You are clueless too.

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Thanks for the compliment and subscribing. Working to make lots more available very soon.

[@justingriffith2991]

He. I have 540 with 8 71 in it how got wick dune to it. Can till my they

[@jonathanbosco8458]

Thank you for all your efforts to teach

[@N8-T]

I just run certain diesel oils, on break in i still use an additive though. Been using delo in my engines, aswell as new holland tractor oil. New holland oil has a very high zinc content

[@reneeelliott7264]

Thanks for the info

[@TOPLS70]

GREAT Video.

[@a.h.h9647]

Very informative clip nuce to learn some tricks from you good job great lecture

[@bunsomatic]

Nicely done.

[@Ghandisgarage]

well made and very helpful.

[@randyjustice4561]

Great video thank you

[@jay22nup]

Great video

[@713seand]

County boy is a beast. thanks for sharing.

[@TheMattynaught01]

Good stuff, thanks

[@GregHuston]

Great Video! Although @ 2:00 you're right they reformulated but it was actually for the better: 15W40 “NEW” SHELL ROTELLA T Diesel Oil conventional, zinc = 1454 ppm 15W40 “OLD” SHELL ROTELLA T Diesel Oil conventional, zinc = 1171 ppm Although why cheap out on oil, when you're spending $1,000s on a new engine.

[@Jiggabuu777]

Thank goodness someone actually explains it the right way

[@johnnywrench9669]

Good video I learned something

[@commanderofthenorth3348]

very good production , good information .

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Thank you!

[@commanderofthenorth3348]

your welcome ,been a mechanic over 40 years ,

[@johnbecay3686]

good info

[@mikelane3359]

OMG ! some one with a clue . great job !

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Thanks very much!

[@alexandermerlos6718]

awesome video

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

+Alexander Merlos Thanks!

[@Limou551]

+Alexander Merlos When you buy a new cam, it has a "manual", and say Atention: with the proper advices...

[@markschmitt5550]

I was pleased to see the cam being coated with spray graphite... I've used that for years. I did notice the lifters with the oil hole on the face... seems like a brilliant idea... too bad they're not available in a hydraulic version.

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Yes, those lifters came from Comp Cams, and they are the trick. They provide pressurized oil from the lifter gallery directly to the face of the lifter so that there is always oil between the lifter and cam lobe. What's cool is that the hole is actually offset so that it isn't on the main contact point of the lobe. You can get them in solid flat tappet lifters only (Comp's Race Series and a version of their Performance Series). I guess they don't have them for hydraulics because it would bleed off too much oil pressure to keep the lifters properly pumped up. Not really sure on that one, though.

[@markschmitt5550]

Makes sense... only so much oil to go around...

[@silicon212]

Remember Rhoads Lifters?

[@sameisenback6458]

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[@qx4n9e1xp]

This is good stuff. Makes me want to have a professional engine shop first-start and break-in my engine, considering I'd be too impatient or incompetent to do it myself.

[@oddh4322]

-i had a machine shop build and prerun my amc 401,i picked it up,installed it in my truck and it lasted 5 minutes,had to remove the motor,they supposedly went thru it and rebuilt it,i installed my motor again and cam lobe went flat due to them not removing the outer springs for the cam breakin,they tried to tell me i did it,so dont assume the professional is gonna do it right,after that cam issue i parted ways with them and had them ship the replacement parts,that was 2014,im getting ready to pull the outer springs to do this cam breakin,with the added zinc + ,,also found they grinded on my intake and stripped a manifold hole in my head,and couldlnt supply the parts they said they removed ,over 4 grand i paid

[@rickyelich3908]

odd h ... Sorry to hear about your expensive story . Talk to as many people as you can about a shops’ reputation before you decide to have them work on your stuff. Don’t decide by price either. You’ve got to find out the quality of their workmanship, how many specialized tools they have, and the extent of their knowledge. $4,000. is a costly lesson , especially when you get to thinking what that money would have added to your project !!

[@ThunderHead289]

very informative video. when a lobe is wiped, all that cam material rains down through the engine and gets in the bearings pretty bad. im rebuilding a 350 for a guy who just did this on his newly rebuilt engine. cam and bearings were wasted.

[@chrismontreuil2206]

ThunderHead289 I always put a magnet in the pan. Everything wears. You would be surprised how much metal is collected on a good engine.

[@zque500]

Thanks

[@nos1000100]

That last tip is probably the best idea ever

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Some stock car racing classes require them. Some people restoring muscle cars like to stick to all-original parts. Plus, flat tappet lifters are cheaper than roller.

[@customizer091]

thanks for the info you have gicen im still unsure because it came with a flatt tappet but has the mounts for a spider so im sort of in a state of confusion as to whether i can install a roller cam with oem roller lifters

[@msh6865]

Parkerizing a flat tappet cam will help as will a zinc based lube. Pressurizing the oiling system before initial startup is critical too. If you do decide to go with a roller cam, make sure it's ground on a billet core. 👍

[@TOMVUTHEPIMP]

You are clueless.

[@commanderofthenorth3348]

Just a small story , i use to have Polar Automotive in Alaska one of my customers bought a 78 L82 Corvette the car sat for 3-4 years so he put a new batter in and dumped gas down the carb it quit after a sort time ,when i took it apart there was not one lobe left , remember if you buy something that sat crank it over plugs out and oil it up ,

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

That is definitely great advice!

[@grabir01]

What about all of the new overhead cam DOHC that use flat tappet with shims. Why do they not require more (Zn3(PO4)2 as they would seem to have an even larger contact patch than the older bump sticks with push rods.

[@arthurkocini689]

Hi there. Amazing video you have put together. I am wanting to know, Is the break in period critical on a roller cam like the Chev LS?

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Nope. If you have roller lifters, then break in is limited to getting the piston rings to seat. Maybe 10 minutes at 2,000 rpm and then good to go.

[@bfg7084ful]

When I was working with Yamaha Marine the workshop manual recommend us to apply drive shaft grease ( Molybdenum) on the all the lobes when performing new installation.

[@chrismontreuil2206]

bfg7084ful yeah it works great!

[@RoadHead62]

It's been almost 5 years since you uploaded this video, but I just found it, and was hoping you'd remember, or know, the part number for those lifters with the oil hole in the contact face? I have found all kinds of premium lifters with grooves for better oiling, but the Comp Cams lifter shown here eludes me. Thanks!

[@Spudderr]

Howard’s direct lube lifters

[@skinchen]

*pauses video* I just want to give a shot out to that guy for having a steady enough hand to poor oil like that. I would have made a mess with my shaky ass hands LOL

[@michaelcaruso4582]

Great to see my old friends Keith and son Jeff really nice people. I wish them the best always.

[@brettspaulding5855]

I blend stp, marvel, and stalube engine assembly lube with oil for break in and oil changes. Probably overkill. But, I've never had a c failure.

[@mr.know_it_all]

Remove inner valve springs if you are braking in any real lift cam (340#+ of open spring pressure) run an oil hole face lifter. Rotela oil.

[@kgooch69]

After doing everything right and still wiping a cam I learned of a company called Cam Research. They have a machine called the camking 2000. It pre breaks in a cam outside the engine..using plenty of oil and gradually increasing spring pressure. The service costs $50 not including shipping and handling. They mostly deal with Fords..but the gentleman on the phone said they can do chevys...sorry Mopar guys they can't help you. It may have been the best $50 piece of mind I ever bought.. just install and fire up and adjust idle..no wearing headphones and 2500 rpms not to mention that new engine having to "fire right up".. which sometimes happens..but more than most likely won't.

[@sethburt8974]

How much for a 302 cam and lifters

[@integr8er66]

In recent years I have had 3 cams fail but always its the fuel pump drive lobe, any idea why? That lobe is not agressive at all, its just an eccentric circle, should have far less wear, but that is always the one that fails

[@vikingmike8139]

Using that wimpy thin red 'taco sauce' for initial lubrication on a flat tappet is a sure way to increase a camshafts inevitable demise. Use grey molly paste on the lobes and on the foot of the lifters.

[@chrismontreuil2206]

Viking Mike that's what I use too never had trouble. I never had a cam go flat. Wonder why so many people had trouble.

[@pabloorta3515]

Where can I buy gray molly lube

[@warrenzevonsangryghost6055]

@@pabloorta3515 Joe Gibbs Driven Assembly Lube is the real deal.

[@rickeystovall7547]

Soak them in some -EXTREME GREEN - no lobe. Failure here ! Jest think dude !

[@customizer091]

Yes i know but my 350 block has the holes for a spider and when i look up the cast number 14093638 it say roller or flatt tappet would i need to buy the retro fit lifters or the standard roller lifters tht work with telhe spider?

[@fatt1729]

that spray on graphite was a interesting tip thanks.I just had a cam ruined by a lifter that wouldn't spin on initial start up.upon disassembly i noticed the cam lobe had a casting mark on the side of the lobe instead of on the non lift area of the cam.I think this extra casting line may have nicked the lifter enough to prevent it from spinning.Oh well your right things have changed.I remember starting the engines and letting them run at an Idle for 20 minutes with no problems.That was in the 1980's using the black/ moly assembly lube on vw engines.

[@derekcrymble9085]

i like the paint on the push rod trick , awsome tip.

[@nickolivares7831]

great video. What are your thoughts on degreeing the camshaft? is it necessary? seems a bit complicated to me

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

+nick olivares I've got a video on my channel where I try to explain it as simply as possible, but degreeing a cam can be confusing the first time. An yes, if you are doing a straight-up rebuild, you can probably get by without degreeing in the cam. It becomes a lot more important when you are building a performance engine with a big cam. Then the piston-to-valve clearances get a lot tighter in the running engine and knowing your cam is opening and closing the valves exactly when you want it to becomes a lot more important. Hope that helps.

[@carslover3509]

great

[@muhhar4484]

hi there, first i want to thank you for this great video, it really opens the mind.. second, i have a question.. I'm planning to install a custom grind cam on my GTO (ls1 engine) I'm going to change the timing set and the springs and the push rods. do i need to do every step in this video? or just do it normally? because i getting a bit worried after seeing all this infromation and tips in the video! it considers a medium cam by the way (the one I'm about to install) . so please give me your advise, it could really help me out. thanks

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

+Muh Har Everything you can do will help. Since that video was made new lifters have gotten better (just make sure they are quality from a known manufacturer and not some no-name stuff off ebay). You don't have to break in a new cam on an engine dyno. Just make sure to use a good cam assembly lube on the lobes. Your cam manufacturer will likely provide a packet of the stuff, if not I use Driven Assembly Grease and it works well, you can find a small tube of the stuff on SummitRacing.com for four bucks. When you first fire your engine, make sure you are running a break-in oil, run the engine between 1,800 and 2,400 rpm for 20 to 30 minutes and then drain your oil and replace it with the regular stuff and you should be good to go. Good luck!

[@OnlyFreedom12]

This is nice video. I learned a lot. I've got a question.. I have a GMC Sierra with K&N intake long tube headers size 1 7/8. Y-pipes no cats. and Borla catbak side dual tips. So, what type of cam should I take if I want to use it daily and 100 MPH long trip. What if I want to add a supercharger later?

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

+ALOOSH M. That engine is already set up with a hydraulic roller from the factory, which is the best design for what you are wanting to do. You can work with companies like Comp Cams or Crane Cams to find the right cam lobe design to make the power you want. The cam will install without any modifications to the engine, but you will likely also need to upgrade your valvesprings. Hope this helps.

[@OnlyFreedom12]

+The Horsepower Monster Thank you. I appreciate your reply.

[@causeimbatmaaan]

Here's your best tip: get a roller cam. Actually the zinc provided a certain friction that is required per how a flat tappet cam is supposed to work. New oils are too slippery without zinc and will prevent the lifter from spinning, as it is designed to do according to the slight angle that a flat tappet cam surface is ground at. Once this angle is worn flat on the peak of the lobe it is finished and the damage will continue grinding the lobe flatter.

[@causeimbatmaaan]

***** Didn't think of another way to say it, but yeah, without zinc the lifter doesn't spin over the lobe like it's designed to. If you don't get it you probably never will. There's no reason for zinc in oil with todays engines cause they all use roller cams. Oil breaks down due to heat cycling; don't be silly.

[@TOMVUTHEPIMP]

Have not been using zinc in my 65 mustang gor he last 10 years. Looks like you're wrong.

[@causeimbatmaaan]

@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Your mustang was never any good in the first place.

[@TOMVUTHEPIMP]

@@causeimbatmaaan Your mom liked the back seat, son.

[@guidosarducci3047]

Very imformative. Still for me...there's gonna be some cranking before initial start-up. 20 seconds maybe. I think it's unavoidable. Well, unless you've got a nice big shop (dyno) and unlimited resources. I've been using flat tappet cams (of varying lift....some well over 500 lift) for years and only had one go flat on me... It was the very first one I ever did. "Elgin" brand. Don't know If it was my fault or not. But now I only go with more popular brands like Comp, Iskenderian, Edelbrock, ect. The zinc oil additive is the most important thing I can think of for longevity.

[@Texasmule]

Advanced timing helps

[@customizer091]

if i have a flat tappet cam in my 350 chevy can i swap to a hydraulic roller?

[@doctorromex7804]

Great video. One thing caught my attention, Where do these high quality tappets come from ? I notice that even though the other parts and supplies that are mentioned have the supplier identified the lifters on the other hand you give very little information about. Please elaborate. I understand proprietary constraints but without this info the rest of the video is mostly useless.

[@epsimega1]

does this apply to all engines? japanese alike? new cams and lifters on a mazda bp engine....fresh rebuild.

[@OldRodder1964]

Here it is 2022 October and my research has not found one article that is an update showing how well or badly this method has worked over the years since 2017.... Anyone found anything?

[@ericheine2414]

Excellent informative video. I'm a car freak and I learned something. I was never that considerate of my cam or lifters. Good tips. Iron American Dream on KZbin.

[@mattperkins7038]

It’s the lifters! The reason folks are losing cams and lifters is due to the unknown metallurgical values of the Chinese lifters. The big cam companies are using the lack of zinc for an excuse. Funny how when you bought a new car prior to the roller cam era you never had to sit in the parking lot for 30 minutes at 2500 rpm, yet the motors survived just fine. Get on eBay and find new old stock Delphi lifters and use Howard’s camshafts. You’ll be just fine without all the paranoia

[@4speed3pedals]

I think the author has it backwards, id est, the zinc was going to be removed due to complications with the catalytic converter so the auto manufacturers started employing the more expensive roller lifters which do not need the high level of zinc. High zinc oil is available from Amsoil. Check out their website - Amsoil.com. Just saying, I do like the other tips.

[@johnfreeman9766]

I have a question. Does the test to see if the push rods spin work with hydraulic lifters too?

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Yes. It works for any flat tappet. Thanks for watching

[@jhutch1470]

I agree with most of the video. I just won't use a Comp Cams camshaft. Two if them have gone bad for me during proper break in. My neighbor has also had one fail on his break in. Rollers for me from now on.

[@MH-on8ol]

I steer clear from comp products. They are the mass produced Mcdonalds of motor parts. Just slightly better than proform.

[@charlesangell_bulmtl]

UTG Had some issues with Comp Cams, consensus?...Chineseium

[@plumcrazybee]

Nice job. Might want to clarify that you should NOT put cam lube on the sides of the lifters. It was done correctly in video, but not mentioned. Other than that, it is very nicely done.

[@grzegorz16100]

What this mean? No put on sides?

[@Mach_Style]

whats the best way to insure proper break in if you are building the motor from scratch? IE Ignition timing may not be dialed in or the carburetor might need tune. Im building a 383 stroker right now and I need to swap cams to something more mild. The ignition system is brand new and not dialed in. How can I not damage the cam while setting timing to where the motor will run properly for the break in period?

[@furyfantoo]

You don't necessarily need the engine running at its best tune, it only needs to run at no-load for 20 min. Obviously you don't want a super-rich mixture to be dumping excess fuel into the oil, but you don't need the level of tuning that would be required for good smooth street-driving. You'd need to make sure things are simply good enough for the engine to start very quickly. Making sure you have enough fuel is perhaps the easiest thing to overlook, esp if you're running off a gascan underhood. 20min will eat more fuel than you'd expect, even at no load.

[@Mach_Style]

thanks for the input. I had a buddy tell me to set the Distributor at 0 and give it a slight turn to advance and it should run for that break in period. so Im gonna go along with that. As long as it starts and run I guess is all im looking for.

[@ryanhill906]

Good advice - that was something I was worried about, too. Another thing for me was I already had 87-octane gas in the tank, but my computer is tuned to run on 91. Not only that, the fuel had been sitting in there longer than a year, and when I fired up the motor it ran just fine. Might need to drive out that old gas before I get full power potential, but it was good enough for the break-in.

[@silicon212]

Yes, this. I just set timing by ear, making sure it's in the right place to start the engine to begin with. I run for 20 minutes also, varying RPM between 1800 and 2300 during this time. A Chevy 350 with a mild build consumed 1.5 gallons of gasoline in this time, when I ran it in on an engine stand.

[@silicon212]

It is a myth that 91 octane in itself gives more power. Actually, the opposite might be true. Octane is a rating of a gasoline's ability to resist detonating - the higher the number, the more energy required to ignite it. If an engine has a high enough compression ratio (9.5:1 on iron heads, 10.5:1 on aluminum), a higher octane is needed to prevent preignition / detonation. This prevents broken spark plugs and pistons, and bent valves, and blown head gaskets and other things that can happen when the fuel does not properly deflagrate. Adding boost to an engine will artificially boost the compression ratio, so if this is the case you need to take that into consideration. Ditto for nitrous oxide. Always run the lowest octane fuel you can run without detonation.

[@VIDSTORAGE]

I put in a new cam in an engine a time or two and I always coated the cam with high temperature wheel bearing grease..That stuff is high in zinc additive I think also..

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Robert Diehl Bearing grease definitely won't wipe off too easily. If you have had success with it then great. One caution about that is it isn't designed for an engine. Wheel bearing grease can use additives that make it very good for that purpose but poor for an engine. For example, PTFE is a good option for lots of different high pressure greases because it is very good at cutting friction for long periods. The problem is it is a solid (think wax) and coats the metal surfaces it comes up against. PTFE does good for the moving parts in an engine but coats the inside of the oil galleries and clogs it up just like too much pizza will your arteries. It cuts oil supply to lifters and journals but you won't know it because the oil pressure still reads high because of the restricted galleries. Anyhow, I'm not saying you are wrong, and if it works for you then more power to you. Just that it is always a good idea to make sure anything you use for a lube is compatible with all the demands required by an engine.

[@VIDSTORAGE]

The Horsepower Monster Oh yea ,you a right to use what you are using ..That was along time ago in the 1980s ,I was working on a 300 cid six cylinder Ford,I do not think PTFE was used back then in wheel bearing grease.,I assumed the warm motor oil thinned it out and mixed it in with the motor oil since I was just using it to prevent metal contact of dry cam shaft lobes and lifters at the start..Kendall Blue does not use PTFE ,so I would not be afraid to use a thin coat that but then again I would go with the lube you are using .PTFE ruined many engines by filling in the cross hatch marks in the cylinder walls..

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Robert Diehl Great point.

[@angahmirul801]

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[@deepakbhalla7868]

How to leak testing head &balance inlet & exhaust

[@3rdGenGuy]

Hi, i was wondering if the ZDDP requirements for flat tappet lifters applied to Solid flat tappet or hydraulic flat tappet lifters?

[@silicon212]

Both.

[@Mcleod0000]

how do you knock down spring pressure for cam break in ? I have edelbrock performer rpm heads sbc , it says open pressure at .580 is 338 lbs . I think my lift is only going to be .508 , im seeing a .490 lift can be 285 lbs open spring pressure . So basicly anything other than a stock cam is going to need to have the spring pressure lowered for break in . seems like such a hassle . what do you do , put on break in springs ?

[@Mcleod0000]

oops , should have kept watching instead of pausing

[@chrismontreuil2206]

If you have double springs just use the outer spring to run it for awhile. It's a pain but so is changing a new cam gone junk.

[@trevcessna1723]

Great video I do think however I would have used a drill on that distributor to get the pressure up and circulating the oil, don’t think a speed handle will do it. You can also remove the plugs for this part of the process to keep pressure off the connecting rods etc. I didn’t know about grafite spray lubricant! Thanks!

[@zxtenn]

AMS oil have the ZINC?

[@averyalexander2303]

Yes, all oil has some amount of ZDDP. It wasn't completely removed, the amounts were just reduced. Amsoil's Z Rod oils have the most though as they are formulated for hot rods and older vehicles.

[@stonix1992]

One question ... how do i break in a new flat tapped camshaft on a car with catalytic converter .. i know that they doesnt like zinc additives :( ... so there has to be an alternative... want to use a 204 / 214 @0,05" s camshaft in my 2.8 pontiac

[@Grater812]

Maybe just disconnect catalytic converter for break-in period?

[@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443]

I wonder what start-up/break in procedure would be if you have the cam lobes and lifter faces DLC coated...

[@werewally3156]

Oh yeah, like qpq, the stuff they use on rifle barrels.

[@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443]

Im fairly sure DLC is harder than that. It stands for Diamond-Like-Carbon. Its applied super, super thin but is tough & hard as hell and wont rub off. Ive been curious about trying it ina DOHC application on all of the wear points to reduce friction and greatly inprove parts life. I know a few people who have coated their wrist pins in endurance engines with it, and there is no pin wear after the season.

[@danielwilson6665]

Good advice and nice presentation, guys. My advice is to spend a few more dollars on roller cam and lifters. Say goodbye to premature lobe failure. 😉

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Yes, the only place flat tappets are really used any more are restorations and some racing classes. Thanks for watching!

[@danielwilson6665]

I watch often and subscribed because The Monster is wise and shares that wisdom with the pushrod Ford crowd for a refreshing change. Some tech articles about the superior flow and power levels the alloy Cleveland heads are achieving nowadays would be an interesting change of pace. It’s all good but some are just naturally better than flogging the General’s tired mule to death 😉.

[@jrod264winmag]

Proper break-in oil VERY important accompanied with assembly lube and revs for flat lifters.

[@ElForastero10287]

What if I got roller lifters like the hemi 5.7

[@camgnilpe9300]

get em

[@steveflewelling67]

Can i cam my stock 5.7 vortec ,and if so what size cam ,just want the nex size up from stock cam,im replacing the timing chain too ,or should i just go with stock cam

[@chrismontreuil2206]

Steve Flewelling stock means no trouble.

[@rickyelich3908]

If you are spending money on a cam , go with a bigger one !! More power equates to better fuel mileage , if you drive sensibly , and the extra power comes in handy if you need to tow a boat or trailer !

[@raoulcruz4404]

Informative video. Boop boop thump "music" is annoying.

[@mikesmith4468]

How many miles or hrs would be the ideal time to break the motor or cam in ?

[@fredal2264]

1.32

[@ThunderHead289]

you can get better lift and duration characteristics out of a flat tappet cam as well, especially mechanical flat tappets. it was a better era.

[@martinstewart4292]

I always take a new cam,put in oven bake too 300 then cool in synthetic oil then assembly after cool with ass lube

[@kenfeeler4676]

Martin Stewart What’s ass lube.

[@silicon212]

@@kenfeeler4676 I am sure he means 'assembly lube'.

[@SOU6900]

I wonder if this is why my 86 GMC K2500 has a reman engine in it. Also what's a good why to extend the life of a flat tappet cam seeing as how Zink is hard to find in modern engine oils and should an engine that hasn't been run in a few years be preoiled before starting it again?

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

If an engine has been sitting for an extended period (years) it definitely is a good idea to prelube if possible. If it has a traditional oil pump drive off of the distributor shaft, you can usually just pull the distributor and spin the oil pump drive shaft with a special tool to make sure you have plenty of oil throughout the necessary parts of the engine. You can still find motor oils with zinc or ZDDP packages. Driven Racing Oil is one I've used and trust. There are others, but I can't speak for them. Generally, avoid adding bottles of zinc to your motor oil. That stuff has to be blended in a specific process that is temperature sensitive, and I've been told when you just add a bottle of zinc "booster" to your oil it never blends well. Thanks for watching!

[@SOU6900]

@@TheHorsepowerMonster Considering that both my square body Chevys still have the engines in them I'm not sure that I want to fight the distributor out since 350 and 454 both have it on the rear of the engine. Now if it was on the front like I've seen on engines then I'd be more willing to pull it. Still I pull it anyway on the 350 at least since I've got no clue how correct the spark timing is anyway.

[@hotrodrebel855]

I've been pretty successful using STP oil treatment on all my SBC flat tappet cams. It has ZDDP. I use it on my bearings and camshaft as a pre lube and it sticks very well.... what's left in the bottle after my pre lube I pour in the lifter valley. I never buy special break in oils and just use any 10w30. I also use it at every oil change! Been doing it for years with no problems as of yet! Also it's very inexpensive!!! Right now I'm running a 521/528 lift with a 105 lobe separation in my 73 Camaro and a 510/510 lift in my 95 S10 with a 107 lobe separation. By the way, great video!!!

[@juniorthird7952]

I'll never run a regular flat tappet cam again. It's solid roller cams or nothing else. I've daily drove a solid roller cam engine and I didn't have to adjust the valves but maybe once every three months. It helps to install a rocker arm stud girdle. Solid roller cams are far more reliable.

[@sucapizda]

Is it the same for roller lifters

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

No. Roller lifters are a totally different animal. Really as long as you have oil in the roller bearings you should be good. Also, roller lifters must never spin, so there is no point in marking the pushrods. Thanks for watching!

[@thomasharvanek2411]

Pro tip Verify all lifters rotate before you wipe a lobe, not just after

[@T1000AX]

I feel like roller cam is better for the brain. flat tappets are stressful lol

[@fwh79FOXR6]

I like to put it this way... Yes the roller cam costs more. However, what are you going to spend when your flat tappet cam break-in fails? Going roller cam seems like money well spent.

[@ThePaulv12]

Yeah but if you like rpms like me, then a solid lifter flat tappet is the way to go becuause all hydraulics are limited to 6000rpm and solid rollers don't work on the street. A solid lifter camshaft is a great thing if you don't mind adjusting the lash from time to time. A solid lifter camshaft is great for short stroke engines - best bang for buck for the rev head.

[@prevost8686]

Roller cams have had high failure rate as well due to how quickly they ramp upwards on the lobe. LS engines have experienced both lifter & cam failure from this . No amount of Zinc will cure it either.

[@warrenzevonsangryghost6055]

No argument here, but with some engines there's no alternative to flat tappets. I'm working on an old Buick, and there's no such thing as a roller cam for this particular engine.

[@wingdings5346]

Sounds like an ad for compcams

[@ryanhill906]

+Wing Dings Comp is one of many/several good manufacturers of cams. It's also one of the most commonly used, which most people have heard of. I thought it sounded like a good informative video to help me get ready for my engine break-in in a few weeks! :)

[@chawnchochawn3267]

Ryan Hill h

[@bjr2379]

And their junk assembly lube.

[@TheJhaley12]

I just bought a blueprint engine, 350/372hp on dyno. They told me not to run it with headers after it was installed, to wait until it is broken in which will be 500 miles later. Can you comment on this process? They say the new headers will burn too hot and can cause the rings not to seat correctly. Any help appreciated.

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

I've heard that before but have been in a ton of engine shops. Even NASCAR Cup shops like ECR, Roush Yates Engines and Hendrick Motorsports. They all break in their engines with headers. I've broken in stock engines and race engines on an engine dyno and never used anything but headers. Never had an issue.

[@chrismontreuil2206]

I think the shop that you bought the engine from doesn't trust their engine. But always make sure you never run the engine lean. Check plugs often. Or get an exhaust sniffer that tells you fuel air ratio.

[@daviebiggions6023]

I never understand why most people do not understand WHY you run the engine above 2000 rpm right after start up . It has nothing to do with oil pressure . It has to do with the oil coming off the rods as they sling oil onto the camshaft , NOT oil pressure . At idle their is not enough oil getting on the new cam to keep it bathed in oil , but at RPM it does .

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

I'm sorry, but that is simply not correct. The cam journals are lubricated by pressurized oil fed through oil galleries to each journal. That's why there are holes in each cam bearing. Each lobe is provided oil coming down from the galleries that feed each lifter bore. Many high-end flat tappet lifters have edm-cut oiling holes in the face of the lifter to move oil from the oil band right to the face of the cam lobe. The only component of the engine that depends on splash lubrication from the crankshaft is the piston's wrist pins.

[@daviebiggions6023]

Well you are wrong again , yes the cam bearings are pressure fed w oil pressure but the cam lobes and lifters are lubed with splash , yes a direct oil type lifter has a small amount of oil fed to the lifter face and cam lobe , so if this is the case then why do you have to run the engine at 2000 rpm for proper cam break in . With or W/O the oiling hole the cam and lifters rely on splash oiling for cam break in .

[@donaldhill2775]

@@TheHorsepowerMonster completely correct sir, been pondering this problem whilst undertaking my first American V8 build, virtually unheard of problem with European pushrod engines as are hydraulic lifters, so fitting solid, but solid or hydraulic I’m sure these engines didn’t receive this special treatment when they left the factory ?

[@gingerbread1032]

Old school no fail break in for heavy duty use. Install rebuilt engine, Check out levels. Empty coolant system. Start and allow the engine to idle until it overheats and quits. Allow engine to cool, Fill with coolant now go race it till it kills you cause you ain't gonna kill this heat treated engine with your heavy foot.

[@FromThe3PointLine]

this applies to LS Chevrolet engines?

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

No, LS engines all have hydraulic roller lifters. The roller significantly cuts friction (and also replaces the sliding friction of a flat tappet lifter to rolling) so the ZDDP additive isn't as necessary. This is only for older (or race) engines with a flat tappet lifter. Hope this helps.

[@SkypowerwithKarl]

Knowing what I know now at this level of technology. I wouldn’t waste time on on anything less than a Vortex or LS + motor. Too easy to make long living high output motors now. Exception: matching number for a classic.

[@TheHorsepowerMonster]

Also lots of stock car racing classes require a flat tappet. I'm in the southeastern United States, and it is still a pretty big deal in stock car country. Thanks for watching.

[@SkypowerwithKarl]

The Horsepower Monster Kinda like a cost limiting factor and output limiting, akin to restrictor plates. I get it.

[@georgehosmer1688]

has anybody ever thought of using a 2 piece pin bearing for the cam and crank . then use a electric oil pump for lubrication. rpm should be unreal. no limits?

[@chrismontreuil2206]

George Hosmer they use that in older boat motors. In a ford you can convert cam bearings to a roller bearing.

[@chriswhite8860]

Lots of engines running oversize roller bearings now. The issue with rpm on these will always be the valve train (springs, rocker arms/shafts pushrod thickness, valve weights etc.) Spintron testing has made many of the older thoughts and practices towards getting a valve train reliable and able to turn high rpm obsolete. Theres still tons of research going into it everyday. Better materials, frequency testing the springs and studying the harmonics are just a few of the things that are helping to make strides in turning higher rpm

[@keepingup2952]

Oil discombobulation will also cause hyperlube fornication of the shaftrod tappet bobber within the specified micrometer limits which can be easily found in the appendices of your everyday metallurgical engineering pocket guide. Ignoring this may cause 4 wheel drive systems to not be perfect over time.

[@edstrackbein9163]

......................OUTSTANDING!!!!!...................lol!!!

[@silicon212]

You'd better re-consult your manual on your turbo encabulator; you've missed something.