Saddle vs Stand a real world mobile comparison

Dan, Rick, & Dave discuss saddle hunting vs stand hunting and go into the field to look at real world examples of use...

[@armintata8537]

At my age of 82/83 I’m going to attempt to be more mobile, so now its not which way is better, it’s about weight walking in. If I have a long ways to walk I don’t need 15/20 more pounds. So I’m experimenting trying a form of saddle hunting by using my last ladder sticks top step to rest & place my feet. I don’t plan on sitting ever longer than 3/4 hrs. Not worked out all the details but will go trough some tests this summer. Keep up your pod casts / tks !!!

[@thehuntingbeast]

Not telling you which way to go, but our stand weighs less than a saddle and platform, and saddle assesories.

[@travispurdin84]

Great video comparison! I would of liked to sden s comparison between Dan in a stand and a guy that's hunted out of saddle as long as Dan's hunted from a stand. In personal experience hunting from a saddle using a ring of steps in junction with a platform you can keep the tree between you and the deer 100% of the time. And with the steps you can shoot 360 around the tree. It just take time to get comfortable on the platform and learn how to use it.

[@thehuntingbeast]

I actually contacted several saddle people and none of them wanted to be in a comparison video with hard un prepped trees.

[@TS1023TS]

John would say ring of steps to get around tree and to stay tight to the tree.

[@cjr4497]

There are only 2 reasons I mainly hunt from a saddle. 1. The weight. If I could afford a beast stand weight may not be much of a problem. My saddle setup is just easier on my back to carry. 2. The comfort. I can sit longer in a saddle than a stand with a fixed stiff platform. Dan's saddle guy was a bit timid with his abilities. That shot is easily made a multitude of ways especially if you have a ring of steps. It really helps shoot a true 360. I also still keep a couple climbers out in the woods. Sunday I was reminded why I stick to gun hunting from them, the stand gets in the way when trying to shoot behind you.

[@shooter2843]

If he’s scared of heights, ASAT 3D camo is amazing.

[@BelowAverageRazzleDazzle]

I don't like the shots out of a saddle either. I hunted out of a saddle for a year. I'm back in a stand now. They are light and comfortable though. But when it comes to why we are out there - making the shot on an animal... I want to be in a stand.

[@doncook3584]

Good to hear unbiased especially from serial killer

[@aaronmelotti8077]

I’ve hunted with a saddle for 3 seasons now and want to give hang-ons a try for next season. Do you have any plans of releasing a smaller version of the beast stand ?

[@larrymoss9954]

Stands come in many types and under a specific circumstances they all have their purpose. For years I used a LONE WOLF SIT AND CLIMB ( 30-35 years or more). It was far better than than what I originally used. Prior to having various portables stands, as a kid I climbed trees or built ground stands from existing limbs and trees. In those days the deer were not educated and fewer hunters. I remember the day when deer never/seldom looked up. We all know they are so well educated now, if there is any change in the area where they live it never goes unnoticed. Watching the many videos out there, I think many of our skilled hunters ( in the videos) move way to much showing us trails, bedding areas and more after they are in their stands. If these individuals thing deer sit back in areas watching where hunters go, why would the deer not see you waving your arms explaining why you are there. I truly enjoy the videos of today. They take me places I can’t go at my age and health the way I once did. Ben Pearson gave me my first bow and set of arrows when I was a very young teen Agee. He and a friend ( do not remember his name). They hunted a ranch each year I as a kid worked on. He taught me how to walk in the woods, breaking my cadence into animal style steps and step and place you foot/boot down on the outside of your foot and roll your foot over flat. He taught me how to cover my sounds to sound like other animals in the woods. I’m telling you this because there is so much to making your hunt special. Enjoy it now and may we all work to keep our hunting lands available and pristine. God gave us this wonderful opportunity. Respect what we have, treat is as if was yours,….because it is .

[@outdoorsman9384]

And another thing you climb in to your spot and you dont cut no branches, just like a tree stand, you analyze and go up were you no your covered, wether its 6 ft or 20, you can go up any tree just like a stand, but way more advantages with sling, again you have to practice, practice, practice until perfect

[@Unrealized_Gains2024]

This has convinced me to buy a saddle

[@dustinhamilton7886]

I don't care what any of you comment. Dan has some very good points in this video. And I'm an experienced ex saddle hunter. Put 3 yrs into and was constantly getting busted or picked off. For many reasons, such as moving or skylit and so on. And anybody that says they can hunt the leaning trees in this video is full of crap, period. On the lean of some of these trees if you tried to swing around in any direction you'd be fighting swinging all the way around. In my experience you have to hunt trees that stand relative straight up. Which is almost impossible to find. So yall get off dans back. Cuz everybody has their own opinion. This is his. And his wall proves his point.

[@thehuntingbeast]

There really shouldn't be any body arguing about the video. It was done simply to answer the question of "why don't Dan use a saddle" A lot of people said I should have searched and found an expert such as the tethered guys, or Eberhart, Or maybe Dave Toms.... However, the viewers are not experts, and how many years does a guy need to practice to be able to use a saddle? I think Dave represents an average guy who has been using a saddle a couple seasons... Did not need an expert because it was really about looking at the issues that I have with saddle hunting. In the video we agreeg, both a saddle guy and a stand guy could of shot that buck (as long as the saddle guy has practiced. So some claim they can get into any one of the trees in question... And shoot... I have a hard time believing the issues I have would not effect a saddle hunter at least slightly more negative than me. Remember, this is about how "Dan hunts" and where "Dan hunts". I have to think there is an advantage of being in a stand, I can easily, smoothly and quickly shoot all around most of the trees. I think there is a definite advantage to having a seat, bigger platform, and harness behind and above. The only true advantage in my scenario is weight and size for packing. But, my stand is less than 7 pounds, my sticks are 2... How light do you need? And, I would rather haul a 30 pound stand a mile on my back, if it gave me a 1/2 percent advantage... To me, its about effectively killing deer, not getting busted by deer bedded 75 yards from your tree screwing with crap and about upping the chances of success... Some people its about having fun, less weight, gadgets, and for others its about the secure feeling of being tetherd to the tree. I get that. Again... For me its about killing deer, and being in the best possible position to do that... Not once did I say saddle hunting was wrong, or bad, or even that you would kill more deer out of a stand... Simply stated, for me, my set ups, the way I hunt, its not upping my odds, at best I can make it work, almost as good... For certain reasons, saddle hunting might be for YOU... Me showing people why its not for me, should help people make that decision and think about if my issues are their issues, and if some things are more important than others... Take it for what it is, an opportunity to evaluate the way I set up, and how I approach hunting and why I choose the equipment I do, rather than melting like a snowflake cause "Dan" said a saddle is not for him...

[@saypuppy]

Im with Dan. 55:07 was right on the money!!...you know why?...cuz it happened to me on Oct 5th. I was in a triple basswood in a saddle BEHIND a preset stand in case they had already spotted me previously in the stand. Mature buck came straight at me and when he hit the 5 yd mark, i literally had the bow held up in the air above my head waiting to see if he went right or left. A staredown ensued and I ended up shaking so bad my left foot was quivering on my peg and I was moving the tree so much my tether excess began swinging and he busted out. Had I been in the stand....dead beast!!

[@nicholashaegerl7655]

Is everyone missing the part where moving 360 around a tree is sacrificing extra movement for shooting? It's less movement in a hang on for the same shots.

[@gavinthomas4482]

I use a saddle but mainly because it's more comfortable and feels safer to me. Just tell them Dan makes treestands so Dan uses the treestands he makes because he knows they are well built and top of the line. If I was to go back to treestand hunting I would buy yours. No need to explain yourself to random people on the internet that probably just buy the newest gadgets and never hunt.

[@butch5511]

Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing the issue here. How can there be a tree that can take a stand and not a saddle? How was the saddle and platform any different than standing on a tree stand with a harness tethered to the tree? I don't use a saddle, I use a homemade tree seat. It's similar but there are differences. In most of the tree I hunt i can shoot 360⁰ unless limited by branches or brush. On a side note, I use a safety harness with my seat. I have two attachments to the tree.

[@Nashty74]

I'd like to see this video remade with John Eberhardt. I suspect it would be quite entertaining.

[@1957cajun]

Man guys this was not a fair comparison! Dan has set up a million times and this guy on the first tree seems like it was his first time. I’ve hunted trees exactly like this with a saddle and hunted exactly like Dan did. So we would have to call the first tree example a draw.

[@BenDownTooLong]

Right? And I will also go so far as to say that tree at the edge of the swamp was virtually unclimbable, for most hunters with any set up. Dan's comparo didn't take the Dan factor into play. Most hunters aren't ok with overly challenging climbs and set ups. I am sure that if he liked saddles and wanted to, he could climb any tree that he currently climbs now. Now, his criticism of having to learn how to negotiate your bridge and tether while shooting is a steep learning curve, is VALID. Very valid- my string was rubbing against my bridge (I had no clue) on a shot last fall and the pressure on the string caused the back third of the arrow to jam into the biscuit and break at launch. Seriously the scariest .003 secs of my hunting life. Not gonna lie my next three sits were from my old climber 😂. Luckily I had a chance to get "back in the saddle" for a late season doe hunt and work through that issue. I suppose it is like anything else, saddles have their quirks just like hang ons- I for one (an unremarkable hunter) like my saddle and plan to keep at it until I am expertly proficient with it.

[@shane31wells]

Right, no offense to this guy, but he did not seem to be very experienced at setting up the saddle...

[@travisethridge4062]

I would have had a strong side shot... with a bullman strap and steps

[@outdoorsman9384]

Every one is missing the point, using the dumb platform, you want a ring of steps, to stay tight too the tree plus then by using tree for cover on literally a no problem 360 movement, you have to practice, i have been hunting out of a saddle for easily 30 some years, nothing better in all counts, safest, Quietest and dont even no im wearing it, climbing trees like a cat with rap around steps, not making noise with the clanging of taking out bolts and sounding like im a carpenters, nothing better than sling in all counts, that dude in sling had know clue because of dumb platform, you need 360 ring around steps, and stay tight too the tree at all times, you got to spill your cup and get the right person too show demo of seasoned sling hunter, for example John Eberhart and im one of his student's with now over 50 years of hunting so never Underestimate.

[@jalton9416]

Everytime I find "The Tree," it's covered in poison ivy.

[@matthewwichtner2935]

Okay, so it's completely obvious, this guy isn't the best saddle explanation out there. And it's also completely obvious, Dan does not like saddles. Is what it is. Personally, I don't like having to carry All that rope and giddy up stuff with it. Least amount of stuff I have to carry the better. But that's just me. Whatever works, for you. Do it. Only thing that really matters, is just get out there and do it. And enjoy your hunt! 😜

[@thehuntingbeast]

If anyone thinks they are an expert saddle hunter, and they would like to come out, do a video with me, set up in the trees shown, you can pick a spot or two also. I will film from the deers bed, from satellite positions, and we can take some shots out of the trees, and afterwords we can debate the results honestly and openly. I would love to have you teach me how saddle hunting will improve my success rate on mature bucks... I have yet to have one person tell me a real advantage to what im using, that will put more bone on the wall.

[@jaslau22]

Dan I posted a few days ago that I will gladly come down. How can we set this up? Thanks!

[@andrewcarr5099]

This has got to be the biggest bullshit comparison I've ever seen and this has got to be the slowest most unagile man I ever seen in a saddle. I don't know if he's just acting that way to be team Dan to sell more stands or if he's really this slow and unagile either way it's a bullshit comparison. I hunt out of saddles and stands an ESS by tethrd and an m7 micro lite by millennium and they both have pros and cons. But for a run n gun setup I'm never choosing a stand over a saddle why would I choose to carry something on my back when I can just wear a saddle in. Then I have a backpack with a smaller bag inside with my Cranford Screw Ins and an XOP platform which is big enough to stand on I can even turn around on it with no problem and zero effort. And I've yet to find a better more comfy stand than my M7 8 pounds and less than half tve price of a beast stand. I love both methods but this is a ridiculous comparison

[@GROUNDEDHUNTING]

I like both and use both! Treestands have their use and saddles have their use. If I am going back in I take my saddle for weight but if I am going to an easy spot ill take my stand for comfort. Both have their advantages and if your a serious Bowhunter you should try both and own both and use what works best for each situation. There is always gonna be a tree thats better for a treestand and a tree thats gonna be better for a saddle. Each situation is different and sometimes you just sit on the ground. This argument between saddle vs treestand is ridiculous. Because most people are on both sides with products to sell. Both have there place and don't look at them like it is one over the other but rather they both have a place in your hunting gear.

[@luckytrapper7656]

Like the guys from Tethrd say. The saddle is another " hunting tool" to use. I use a saddle probably just as much as a tree stand. I like both and am just as comfortable in both. The main thing about using a saddle is you do need to practice with it and you do need to be comfortable with it along with having no issues with height.

[@mztd912]

I came here for the crybabies and wasn't disappointed. lol. I've been hunting from a saddle for years way before they were cool. Just too much fiddling around with shit and high maintenance. Very inefficient in every aspect. Requires too much movement to adjust anything. You wanna move to the left, you gotta adjust your tether, wanna move right, adjust your tether, wanna move lower, oh you gotta adjust your tether. And moving to the weak side shot is a real big negative. Takes much more movement than in a tree stand and oh btw, did you remember to adjust your tether. Because if you didn't, you won't be able to draw or worst your bowstring contacts your tether or carabiner and that's a dangerous disaster. Ask me how I know. The only thing I love about a saddle is mobility that's it. But everything else it comes second to a tree stand.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

I have no problem picking the bow over the tether and shooting both sides at I lean up against the tree ri avoid being skylit.. I will also set up on the lean side … the side he setup in sucks to work with you’re kinda falling forward.. obviously I’m smaller and more maneuverable.. but yea this is not a great depiction of a saddles ability.. Also I will completely sit and hang to lean against the tree to get off to the side of the tree… you have to just trust the tether… hang off the side with a knee against the tree or I can move ve all the way left and hang out past the tree and shoot past it.. I can let out more line or less also he clearly is uncomfortable in the saddle.. Aldo getting up against the tree is far more comfortable then hanging back off of in the entire time….. Leaning trees aren’t ideal but you can make it work..

[@outdoorsman9384]

And we all know theres many negative variables with a tree stand and if you really want too see proof and learn all you can about the saddle, tune in too John Eberhart channel and learn all you can, see i know John would be laughing on that tree you say you cant get into, he hunts many on the back side angle and i do too, but when i look at that tree i think it looked from the distance could of been hunted out one of the smaller tree around it for probably better blend in. Im also going to give valuable information on sky light situations, when you think your body his away from tree, thats why a long time ago i bought skyline camo and the latest vertigo, do the deer all they think i am is the sky and a couple branches, take this key tip too the bank, its priceless 🏹

[@mikemehevic5292]

Stands are the truth. Period.

[@galinswigart]

25:00 ... You could do the exact same thing Dan did in a stand with the saddle in this situation. Why is he leaning so far away? The platform is obviously smaller, but he could easily shorten his tether until he is almost standing straight up or just keep no tension on the tether at all and stand on the platform as if it were a stand. It's very obvious there are pro's and con's of both stands and saddles and neither one is definitively better or worse, I just don't like seeing an unfair comparison. I would love to see Dan with a stand and someone equally experienced with a saddle like Eberhart or even Greg from tethrd. I think you would find that the"10-20%" Dan mentions at 30:18 is probably much, much less than that. The guy he is comparing to just doesn't have the experience in a saddle to understand how to best adjust to these screwy trees.

[@thehuntingbeast]

I offered publicly for any so called pro to join me, and school me... None would do it on video. Truth is, pro or not, there are major advantages with a stand over a saddle when hunting true mobile like I do.

[@jakesmith6337]

This is like the debate last night, completely unfair comparison with the moderator steering the narrative, use whatever stand you like, I’m a loc on guy but many love there saddles, more power too them !!

[@bstraub9452]

I like saddle hunting cause my lower back is fuged up and it's more comfortable for me.

[@heavyd2249]

Dude this times a thousand!!! I have a Cruzr XC with the back band and it's money.

[@andrewsheppard9084]

I don't have a bad back but the saddle is so much more comfortable for me that there really isn't any comparison to a tree stand killing my hind end and making my knees and back stiff.

[@bowers673]

My dad has a bad back and I got him into saddle hunting. Said he's never been more comfortable since his injury

[@a.b.k1983]

Absolutely! My climber was cozy but a hang on stand doesn’t allow you to sit in a comfortable position and I end up shifting and moving more. It’s also much easier for me to hunt out of my Cruzr saddle in those odd trees.

[@bradbishop1893]

Agreed , did the stand/ saddle comparison while hunting in Kansas, my back was aching after a few hrs on a stand. Saddle for me from now on or until something changes with my old body- lol.

[@elizabeth_williams]

As someone who is very adept to using a saddle in treework as an arborist I was using an Eastern climbing rig 20 years ago if yo want the greatest mobility tether 4-6 ft above your head you are then able to come under the tether to turn 360

[@chadmunsey3864]

I've used a saddle for several years and agree with all the points made. A great assessment from both perspectives. I like the light weight and compact nature but I've had issues finding a good tree where I wish I had a stand. I've been planning on using a stand more again next season. My gut tells me I may find a stand more conducive to how I'm hunting these days.

[@bradbishop1893]

That was my thinking last year so decided to wear my saddle and use the assault as my plateform and used it both ways. After that experiment I am saddles all the way now.

[@flounderwetspot8524]

Lol. I’ll hunt any tree any where in my saddle and make it work. Shot more deer this year out of one than i ever have. After 16 yrs fighting stands up trees on lands I can’t cut branches I just position in a way that works. No matter what I’m using. Idc if the tree is crooked, leaning, forked, thick cedar doesn’t matter. Now don’t get me wrong, I still use stands rarely just cause I spent the money on them. I hang and hunt every hunt. Personally I get away with longer sits, quieter, faster, lighter. Call it hard headed, I call it determined. For example, the second tree I’ll set up at the crook not over it. Going over my the tether is a problem if you don’t practice. If your prepared and realistic about your own ability there isn’t a problem unless you make it one. 4/5 deer I shot this year I had to go up and over or under the tether. Also, leaning off the tree you look more like a branch than you do a blob which saved my bacon 3 out of 5 deer this year. This is just my experience and my opinion. I often stand without the tether tight behind the tree and lean when I’m tired of standing I lean, for this reason I feel I get away with not being spotted far more than if I were sitting on a stand. They each have pros and cons, but the limitations of either are what you make of it. Idk why it’s so hard to conceive the fact you can stand on a platform and not lean off a tree. Just like a stand. That last tree you used as an example I’d put my back to that tree and stand the whole hunt, in a saddle.

[@bradbishop1893]

Nailed it !

[@flounderwetspot8524]

@@Brian-R hunting NJ public land in a world of tree stand hunters this has not been my experience. Infact it's the exact opposite. I hunt very high stem count thick flat heavily wooded land and I can assure you, I haven't been busted in my saddle yet. At least not by deer I have laid eyes on. More often then not I hunt just off wind, 20' high give or take and by time they can spot me it's too late. And when they doo look up they give it a head bob or two and go about their business. I specifically look for split trees or cluster of oaks for this reason. Granted, you can't always be in a set up like that I will never set up in a single sky lit pine or oak, I'd rather plant my self in the middle of a lural and take my chances on the ground before I go sky lit. And to make the argument I can't stand on my platform with my back to the tree just as you could in a tree stand is ignorant. If you can stand on a tree stand platofrom I can 100% stand on my platform. And not only that, I don't have to cut near as many branches to fit my platform between them as one would have to do with a stand. I own stands and hang & hunted them for 16 years prior to going saddle so I know this to be factual.

[@flounderwetspot8524]

@@Brian-R I’d be happy to show you buck beds 60 yards from set ups any time you feel like coming to nj. The lay of the land is such it is just purely beneficial to set up in the set ups that I do. If it wasn’t I wouldn’t hunt it. I shot 5 deer last year 4 of which were mature bucks 1 old nanny of a doe with 22 other non shooter deer walking under me or within bow range and logged every one of them. And that’s only hunting on gov holidays and Saturday’s. Regardless of what area I will hunt where I need to be by any means necessary, it just works out as such that the typical trees I am able to set up in are as I described previously. You can sit there and doubt and type all you want, my consistent success speaks for itself.

[@flounderwetspot8524]

@@Brian-R got an email ? I'll send you photos from last year of mature bucks on the ground.

[@flounderwetspot8524]

Lmao since you blocked me from replying to your comment I'll reply to my own! Go re read the regs. Then go re read my comment. 5 deer shot. 4 bucks 1 doe. 1 fall bow, 1 permit bow with purchased buck tag, 1 permit muzzleloader with purchased buck tag, 1 six day bucks only, 1 doe winter bow. = 5 deer. 100% legal. Hunting various spots almost never the same tree twice and staying out of the woods in order to keep pressure down. I let my outrageous number of cameras do the scouting for me during the week and set up mostly evenings except when mornings seem optimal. Don't ever accuse me of poaching I was raised right. Never have and never would. Those that do are scum of the earth and shouldn't be aloud to step foot in the woods. With a freezer full of meat, I have no need for the ton of extra work involved. It's hunters like yourself who shit on other hunters for doing things differently than they do that gives the community a bad wrap. Numbers are declining as they are and dude's like yourself aren't helping. It's absolutely pathetic. I genuinely feel bad for guys who hunt the same spots year in and year out and don't or can't find mature bucks. But you don't see me going around attempting to degrade or accuse others. If anything I try to help. If you don't like the way I hunt so be it, keep it moving. Guys with your attitude disgust me. And to think it all started by me saying I can get in any tree a tree stand fella can. Because I can. The fact remains if you can stand on a stand platform, I can stand on a saddle platform. Doesn't matter where.

[@shane31wells]

I started saddle hunting bc it is the lightest way to get up in a tree...I'm hiking through steep mountainous terrain in the foothills of the Appalachians almost every time I go hunting and weight is super important

[@travisethridge4062]

Knee pads? rather than forgetting em showing em is great. Also a swivel bucket coated in heavy duck tape is huge weapon.

[@mikeoc217]

Tree Diapers Suck I hadda salesman try to talk me into one at the Harrisburg PA hunting show in the 90's. I couldn't spin around if the deer changed direction. It takes way more movement with the diaper. They're a fad as far as I'm concerned. 🤮

[@cl-7016]

from 44:52-45:00...i think that's a deer or 2 slipping through the brush and running off at the top right, hard to tell with the camera moving though.

[@Adam-by8sn]

Those appear to be people walking through

[@bmk506]

If you had a ring of steps and not just a platform...id be no problem

[@timahern7214]

I put a wild edge step on the other side of tree which makes 360 a lot easier to do. And some of our hikes i straight up for an hour the light weight is huge. Not for every set up but it has it's place

[@EROCK1966]

You dont have to hang out in a saddle you can hug tight .Its just how comfortable you are in it .And sometimes you look like a trunk .This year i took my buck out of a pine in my saddle .I also put up a stand that i took 2 doe .

[@manvsdeer]

I am a stand man myself, I gave the saddle an honest try but thought there was too much movement, and to much little gear to setup. If a guy is comfortable one way or the other though, I say send it 🤘

[@ryanallen6083]

Exactly how I feel. To much movement and way to many things to worry about getting setup. And God the knee shakes when you have a deer come up is ridiculous.

[@00_ELECTRICWIZARD_00]

Man I would give it another shot, it really is a comfortable way to hunt once you get your settings right.

[@fishlovme]

At almost 350 pounds, you won't catch me up in a tree anymore, so I need to find ground hunting spots. But I love watching these and I learn a lot. Thanks for sharing this video with the two comparisons.

[@partner348]

At 350 pounds i can't imagine not being able to catch you in any scenario. ;)

[@AmRussHunterTV]

Dan, I have up most of respect for you, but your friend is not the example to use to discredit saddle hunting...

[@joelgreen4166]

Actually if the goal was to discredit saddle hunting his buddy is perfect! lol. But I agree the weakside shot is not a a big problem.

[@thehuntingbeast]

He was not used to discredit anything... I think it was stated several times that a saddle hunter could of set up like me, and made that shot. He was simply there to give answers. This video is not about discrediting saddle hunting, its about explaining why I dont use a saddle for bowhunting.

[@tyfreeman8071]

@@thehuntingbeast Dan, I saddle honestly but good for you to stick up for what you believe my friend. Plus, look at your record and what is theirs? I've thought about using my saddle with your stand so anyone that feels the need to pull you down on this video can just relax. I like to sit . So I've been contemplating the idea of combining your stand and my Tethrd saddle together. That way I have comfort for the all day sit on bedding areas and still have my safety through the saddle. I'm just waiting to gather the money for the stand. Keep doing what you do.....

[@trophyhusbanddiaries2805]

like warb from thp said its not that its better its just another tool for the toolbox

[@ItsDLC]

I switched to a saddle last season and put a couple hundred hours in. For me it's the lightest most comfortable setup I've ever used. I like it. It's definitely not for everyone.

[@morningwood801]

I hunt both and also hunt a climber when hunting the huge pines…the best shot in a saddle at that buck would be to sit into the saddle against the tree and take the shot, that’s probably even more stable than what Dan shot leaning in the tree standing up

[@stevesmith1526]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoaoYnmujLVnmqc lol i like tree stands and know they have their uses but the saddle example reminded me of one of those infomercials. it did have me talking to myself out loud lol You dont have to stand out like a sore thumb. 1- you can lean against the tree the same as you can in a stand. 2- you can add a few steps (not your normal climbing steps) a ring of steps for example but just 1 or 2) to allow you to sidestep around the tree using the tree for cover or to get a shot. 3- you can make your bridge longer to allow you to turn around while leaning. 4- if you use a decent size platform you can add more slack in your tether if standing to allow you to turn around while standing.

[@windstretch]

Ok Dan I'm 100% with your opinion. I have a H2 and a lone wolf. Truth is I'm going back too the stand and I believe I'm going to sale the H2. I might keep it but I don't think it as good

[@shane31wells]

I don't understand how hunting out of a saddle helps this guy with his fear of heights?? You go as high up as you want wether ur hunting out of a stand or out of a saddle

[@557ronb9]

I use both and leave the saddle on when I am in my stand. The saddle is a benefit for installing a stand. and I feel more secure in the saddle when leaving the stand with my descender. I am 65 years old and feel safer using both together.

[@swenst1]

In my opinion it is a poor video. Why? Dan has been hunting tree stand for decades. He has little fear of heights, as demoed by no safety harness. His friend the saddle guy, is afraid of heights and a saddle novice. Plus Dan has a financial interest in promoting stands, he sells them, he does not sell saddles. The novice looked frozen and petrified up there. Get the DIY sportsman up there with Dan. Then you can see how it's done. Many saddle hunters would hide from and kill that buck. The guy is clearly petrified... How is he going to hunt? The fair comparison to the novice would be go find a new tree stand hunter who is afraid of heights. Or get two experts. But your comparing an expert to a novice. Very poor selection.

[@stanp6383]

Just switched to a saddle this year after 25 years of hunting Using a 3-4 steps on a ring of steps you really do have 360 degrees of shooting Another advantage is its fabric not metal , no sound Last but not least is less gear on your back Less chance of branches grabbing your stand while your sneaking through thick cover There’s no such thing like forgetting your harness, it is the harness

[@bradbishop1893]

Exactly !

[@stanp6383]

@@Brian-R I don’t use a platform and I can’t fly so

[@stanp6383]

@@Brian-R it was a saddle treestand comparison video My comment had nothing to do with sticks, platforms etc Hope this clears things up for you

[@stanp6383]

@@Brian-R lmfao ok

[@bradsalo1353]

A fair comparison would be to bring John Eberhart into the demo. An expert in tree saddle usage would make this a legit discussion.

[@christophermiller9125]

They would punch each other in the face!!👊

[@bradsalo1353]

@@christophermiller9125 They would get along fine. I watched them on The Hunting Public's public land hunt challenge together and believe they would be a great complement to each other.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Loved the video. I think its funny how everyone wants to hear your opinion and comments why you hunt the way you do, but when they don't agree with their prospective that you are "biased." Of course you are biased, to where you hunt, how you hunt, your experience, and what your preferences are. Everybody will always be biased to those things. Why there has to be a "best" option for every situation is ridiculous. I guess if you are hunting deer on a leash or can predict the future you can pick the best option for that situation, but for the rest of us we use our best judgement and go out and hunt. Again, thanks for the video!

[@talktolee]

The main points I took away from this is the extra movement to get around the tether. In this example it is a perfect example...of why it is a PINTA. I can it a 50/50 like anything.... I am not going to bang on a guy who have this level of detail...great debate as far I am concerned! Great content and I really appreciate your dedication Dan

[@bowhunter9288]

I wish I had more opportunity to use my LW hand climber. But I never know what tree or where I will be hunting. I run an alpha with 4 LW sticks with a simple loop aider on two of them made out of paracord. One trip up the tree. Quiet. Slow. My next stand will definitely be a beast stand!

[@207Pursuit]

Omg that was frustrating watching the guy in the saddle. That wasn't a fair comparison.

[@bigmike9558]

Agree should of Had Mr Eberhart for a fair comparison as he is Dan’s level but saddle. Granted I like Dan’s style more even though I saddle

[@cobbiebobedas6962]

That guy in the saddle needs to practice or just hunt on the ground his saddle skills were terrible. If he couldn’t operate the saddle no better than that he needs to find something else he’s more comfortable in. I’m going to try a saddle for mobility and hopefully comfort because I know those small lock on are not comfortable for long periods of time. We’ll see what happens but the moral of the story is do what works for you

[@jboyce23]

Lets see a fair comparison: Eberhart and Infalt with there setups in the same tree. Then you can decide the real pros and cons of each

[@kipcotter5374]

Absolutely. John looks nothing like this in a tree - I assure you. I've personally seen him disappear and reappear effortlessly and it's scary how stealthy he is. Bow movement is minimal too. Platforms pretty much suck and make guys try to move a ton. Spinning completely around is pretty ridiculous - especially in Michigan. A ring of steps or at least one on each side is money for dealing with anything that comes behind you. No offense to the gent in this video in the saddle, but should consider much more practice at ground level IMO. You don't look comfortable.

[@Eaaatlife]

I like to hunt out of a stand, but I don’t like to carry one in, lol so I use a saddle .

[@jhuntley575]

Yep me too been in a saddle for 5years now bc of that exact reason. I still put out as many preset stands as I can

[@Eaaatlife]

@@Brian-R Umm, I like to run n gun and set up in different spots. Can’t do that when I gotta go find my stand I hid under some leaves first. Lol

[@gavinthomas4482]

There are positives and negatives to all setups. For me the saddle works best where I hunt and I choose it because it's the lightest option. Here in eastern KY these Ohio River hills are big and steep and the public I hunt is very crowded and you have to go up and down them to get away from others. I missed a buck from my saddle and killed one the same day and both shots could have been done from a stand. I really don't see why guys say it has more shot opportunities. Idk what deer is going to allow you to swing around the tree like some guys show lol.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

When I’m up 25 + feet in a saddle I have no problem swinging around the tree without getting picked… I actually rarely get picked in my saddle unless I’m moving a lot and not paying attention…

[@GostoFan]

I’ve saddle hunted for the last two seasons. I’m going back to a stand for 2021. I tried several saddles and several platforms. I found a system that I liked but I still had days I couldn’t get the saddle dialed in. I found I moved way more in a saddle. Leaning trees to me are more difficult to saddle hunt out of. I just don’t like it as much.

[@christophermiller9125]

You should be able to sell it and still recoup your money

[@jhuntley575]

You are more likely to get picked off in a saddle no doubt about it.

[@HolezGT]

I have both and use both. Me personally I only use the saddle on short hunts due to comfort with sciatica issues. I also sit on the ground a lot because I like being eye level with the deer. And naps are so much better on the ground

[@yogibear6271]

Dan you put this video out and now everyone and their brother has one on youtube.

[@dennisbennett2353]

I do find this video informational and nothing against any of the guys in this video but I feel it seems one sided. Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages but it should have been compared with a saddle hunter like John Eberhart as well as one of his successful spots. All in all great video and keep them coming. Thank you for all you guys do teaching hunters the beast way!

[@giveusthisday7160]

For me what it comes down to is it’s hard to beat the pack in with a saddle but nothing beats being able to sit down and be still with the woods. I hunt with a saddle for intel and luck and go in for the kill with my stand.

[@sweetdarlanddan]

It’s hard to hunt mobile in anything when you are scared of heights. Hats off to this guy for going for it. But for a fair comparison you need a guy that is comfortable and fluid in a saddle. I love the pack ability of the saddle #1.

[@ashtanga2000]

The way Dan's deer came in, it would be no problem to get the bow over to the right side if you do it early and if the bow wasn't already on that side. Same timing complications as any bow hunter in a stand up there.

[@usernamehere6061]

Thats what happens when you have 2 guys in beast gear shirts vs 1 new saddle hunter. The bias is incredible lol. You can get in any of those trees with either setup if you're smart enough to know how. Bottom line use what you got and go hunting

[@rickkimball9371]

lol, really. I tried it, it did not work for me. Don't matter if I am a beast or not!

[@christophermiller9125]

Great shirt Dan! 🤣 , you NEVER disappoint!

[@highonbusa6520]

Saddle is much better then a stand!!! But as we all know Dan is always wright!!

[@jamesmarshall5794]

Dan, on the first example, I'm curious as to why you had your bow on the right side of the tree to start? If you are right handed and facing the tree, wouldn't you have it hung on the left side of the tree, so you grab it with your left hand?

[@thehuntingbeast]

I was playing odds that the buck would go to the right... Trying to avoid the movement around the tree

[@bigmike9558]

I feel like Ricks fear of heights hinders him.

[@rainwhenidie666]

saddle platforms are made for midget feet. You wouldnt even need to worry about where his bow was because his boots squeaked loud and he would have split. I have a size 13 in regular shoes and I wear a size or 2 bigger to allow for socks. I wouldnt wanna clunk around on a tiny platform. I find scenarios where a saddle would be the best choice but my feet are too damned big for those pint sized platforms.

[@publiclandarcheryallies7404]

What’s interesting is it looks like the cedar tree has already had limbs cut out to accommodate a tree stand and he is saying “how would you hunt that with a saddle? Cut branches?” I wanna see a tree stand in a tree 4” in diameter or less

[@1957cajun]

Third tree: This whole video was based on a bias of having to hunt a certain limited way with a saddle. You DO NOT have to lean away from the tree if you are going to be too obvious. I could easily get on the back side of the third tree and stay up against the tree and shoot to the left or right of that tree.

[@usernamehere6061]

Thats what happens when you have 2 guys in beast gear shirts vs 1 new saddle hunter. The bias is incredible lol. You can get in any of those trees with either setup if you're smart enough to know how. Bottom line use what you got and go hunting

[@1957cajun]

@@usernamehere6061 I agree. If you’re not comfortable with one then don’t use it, but why bash it when you don’t really know what you’re talking about? I don’t even bash guys that hunt out of tower blind with a gun from a hundred yards away.

[@enolawolf4705]

3 different hunters 2 different styles and they still listen to each ones view and get it done during season! That's why I like these videos.

[@SplitBrowProductions]

16:56 Straddle the tree and slide around to shoot the weak side. Any semi - experienced saddle hunter would know that. The tree would stay between you and the deer the entire time.

[@SplitBrowProductions]

@@Brian-R I'm sorry you're having trouble being seen in the tree. However deer can see you moving just as easy in a tree stand as they can a saddle. I found it is best to move when they are not lookin at you. I also have found it best to move slowly and don't make noise.

[@SplitBrowProductions]

@@Brian-R You said it in your first comment. " I had a buck last Jan catch just my head peaking around the tree". I believe that you believe the stand is better.. But your 31 seasons only confirms that its better for you. Speaking in an absolute that one thing is better than another only using your own experiences really only proves that its better for you. I've spent 23 seasons using tree stands and 4 using a saddle and I would say I get picked off less in a saddle. My original comment to the video was explaining how to shoot the weak side because the guy (in the video) in the saddle clearly didn't look like he knew what he was doing.

[@SplitBrowProductions]

@@Brian-R No matter how you want to spin it this is only your opinion. You're entitled to it. As I am entitled to mine.

[@bradbishop1893]

Those trees you pointed out Dan are IMO custom made for a saddle. Those kind of trees are why I started hunting out of a saddle but I am not afraid of heights and often lean against the tree when needed. Also, in several cases you know where to expect the deer to come from so you plan for that and put the tree in line between the two. Case in point, at the first tree he was talking about getting the bow to the right of the tree to shoot the shot where you took your buck but you had your bow hanging on that side (I think anyways) so you had some indication that that would be your shot. Both of you could have gotten the bow from right side to left side easily imo. Very enjoyable to watch this. I mixed both methods last year in Kansas and decided to go all in on the saddle going forward. Thanks for this video !

[@_jurist]

Now that first comparison was a joke. The guy isn't set anywhere near correct, using a seat as his platform.. Didn't have a clue of how to swing or lean around the tree at full draw, not wearing knee pads or a platform that is set up for side pressure. Dan is this your real world comparison? Second example, is the same if you can get the tree stand platform in the tree the saddle platform can get there too. There are NO cases where a stand is better than a saddle or a tree that only a stand can get in period... Third example of cedar tree. I put my saddle platform in the exact same spot as the tree stand and there is NO difference. So we got a guy who on a previous video believed that a deer was dead while it was lying with its head upright, and a guy who is afraid of heights, and the host that thinks deer have directional smelling, can they smell upwind? Dan is this really all you got? Do your really believe that this is a real world comparison? It maybe that pre sales of the $625 beast stand are not as good as expected so this is the beginning of the marketing campaign. Oh so now they are making saddle platforms?

[@BenDownTooLong]

"I'm not biased one way or another..." After an hour long video telling us why saddles aren't as good as a hang ons! Classic. It's why I watch your videos Dan. I personally enjoy your bias, you believe in how you hunt and are confident in it, I would have been shocked to have tuned in and heard you explain how much you like saddles. We all don't have to agree, in fact that makes life boring. Great video

[@usernamehere6061]

He also sells hang ons so why wouldn't he be biased 😂

[@christophermiller9125]

Dan Ladik 👍 I agree 150% I've been saying that ever since I started watching hunting beast and that's what matters most is confidence (as well as having deer on the property you're on hunting 😏)

[@christophermiller9125]

Ben not Dan sorry sir.

[@feyrband]

@@usernamehere6061 wouldn't mind if he sold a platform too. I plan to get my sticks from him regardless of what I settle on.

[@usernamehere6061]

@@feyrband I use beast sticks with my predator platform. Can't beat beast sticks

[@c.e.1466]

Was this video released because the pre-orders aren't that strong?

[@mongo-tx7vy]

Ive been doing this stuff for 40 years. Ive used climbers and stands for run and gun.couple years ago i got a saddle. I found that being a bigger guy makes it hard.if you had a bigger platform you could turn an shoot .i use my saddle now for a tie off system and hunt out of a stand the best of both worlds. Works great for hanging stands and im allways tied off these days.

[@ericmiller700]

I got very good and comfortable with a saddle last year. I have a lone wolf climber tree stand seat that I modified with a belt to strap it to my feet so I can inch worm up a tree fast. It works great in the right tree. I am limited with it though. Certain areas I still need climbing sticks and I also think a beast stand would work in in some trees that a saddle wouldn't. Might be a good idea to have both and use either or depending on where I'm hunting and what tree I'm going to hunt out of. Key would be to find my spots post season for next year and pick trees for each spot. Then decide which set up to take based on the tree details. I will say my climber saddle set up is extremely light. Which is a big plus. I'm talking like the whole set up is under 10 lbs. Its best to be as versatile as possible. Good video. I'll be getting a beast stand as well.

[@hicorynutbuck928]

I’ve learned more about hunting from Dan I. And John E. Then any other people out there they are both legitimately full of worthwhile information. With that said I have only sat a ladder stand once in the last 15 years and love my saddles and the main reason is lower back pain which I personally have zero when in a saddle. I have sat dark to dark many times in a saddle and never have back pain. I can’t sit in a tree stand more than one hr without pain in the lower back. The back pain causes me to constantly stand, sit ,and repeat, (tons of movement) and eventually drives me out of the field and back to the truck. Although when I am sitting a stand and not in pain I stay perfectly still I can’t say the same for the saddle it undeniably promotes extra movement constantly looking around and readjusting for comfort because a saddle still can get to be uncomfortable on knees or hips but never the back for me. Knee and hip pain won’t force me out of the tree like my back will. I could have saddle hunted in any tree from the video with the exception of the bushy cedar Dan is spot on with that a smaller hole for a stand would no doubt work better in that situation which is exactly why I plan to buy a beast stand these scenarios do come up from time to time and I want to be ready when they do. As for fiddle factor setting up, absolutely more with the saddle. I end up using a pack frame style back pack for carry sticks and gear long distances and in the end of set up there is a larger pack in the tree then I prefer. I believe attaching sticks and a smaller pack to a stand would be comfortable to carry long distances and ends up being less in the tree once set. This is not a problem for short hikes with the saddle where i I either carry sticks in hand or over should with-a strap and take a smaller pack. Back to the bushy cedar tree in a tree like that on a short evening sit I would set up on the front side and sit side saddle with one hip to the tree and face on coming deer problem solved but not super comfortable for extended hunts. As for trends, fads, and hype I do believe the saddle craze will phase out for many and Dan will sell a million stand it ain’t all unicorns and rainbows with saddle either. Much respect Dan for all you do I try to sell your stand to all my buddies who don’t suffer from back pain. Stay cool my friend.

[@brandonpigman2725]

Dan is a beast! But the saddle and a guy who is comfortable is REAL hard to beat. I have had hands down more success with a saddle. A lot of that comes back to three points of contact TOO!

[@robertlocke7711]

You can do everything in a saddle you can in a stand. An more in my opinion. Plus its less weight. Even your 6lb stand which is amazing. 4lb 3lb or 1lb ring of steps which is my preferred way. An a saddle is less then any harness I've used.

[@billymcatee]

Is Joe Elsinger still a member of the Hunting Beast forum? I think having him demonstrate his saddle setup might be a more fair comparison.

[@clayton203]

your telling me that you got a hangon rite out there in the open like that,,with climbing sticks and a saddle,,I could set up on the backside of the tree from where the deer are coming,,if that’s where you want to hunt,,but if it was me,,which I use the 2 tether method I would set up on the backside of the tree on the left,,and from you camera angle ,,I wouldn’t go up that tree but mayb 10 or 12 foot tops,,the real good spot looks to me is where the big tree takes off to the right lean,,where it’s real bushy and thick,,I don’t see how you were even able to move your head and look setting up there in the open,,wind or not,,let alone draw, just looking at what I’m seeing on camera

[@nickemmick1684]

As hunters we have many tools available to us. No one is perfect in all situations. Each has disadvantages and advantages all depending on the situation. Great vid so far

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

Platforms are honestly the worst saddle setup and has the most limitations on shots. Ring of steps is waaaayyy better for different shot placements around the tree.

[@bradbishop1893]

You can do both ...

[@user-kh8bp6ue8y]

Yes! I scanned through most comments and surprised no one else mentioned this, your SUPPOSED TO USE A RING OF STEPS TO GET THAT 360 SHOT!

[@bradcrook223]

Some very good points both ways. I’m a stand hunter myself, it’s just my style. I hope it’s not the case, but I can see a bunch of people getting butt hurt over this. Please remember folks, this is just one guys opinion. I’m sure there will be plenty of opinions on this one, maybe even some tears, lol.

[@jt-qy7zx]

what system lets you hunt more tree,s it would be a hang on i think thats dan,s point

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

I can’t fit a tree stand in my backpack. That’s enough reason for me to make the switch to a saddle. I’ll figure out the tree when I scout the spot or if a tree is truly not available, I’ll hunt the ground.

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

I’d also like to add that it was around 230 bucks for a saddle and 8 wild edge stepps vs a 300 dollar hang on stand plus 4 beast sticks for 100 bucks a pop. I’m not arguing about your products being bad because I highly doubt they are bad. They’re definitely worth that money, but I’m not paying that much for equipment that isn’t as packable as my current saddle set up. There’s pluses and minuses to both.

[@Nashty74]

That dude’s carabiner sure is shiny!

[@billweihl2859]

Good thing I watched this video cause I had my head into getting a saddle this and being close to 50 this year I think I'm sticking to my setups and my light weight hangons . Lots of pros and cons to saddle and if people like them then stick with it as long as everyone is getting out in the deer woods cause you can't kill one from the living room. As always be safe and stay healthy my friend

[@usernamehere6061]

You should really consider watching a review from someone who is experienced enough to speak on saddle hunting. No one in this video is an experienced saddle hunter so their opinions (as they stated themself) should not deter you from trying out a saddle. Good luck!

[@billweihl2859]

@@usernamehere6061 actually a buddy of mine bought the tetherd setup this past year and I'm going to have him give me the low down on the initial setup and I'm going to take it home and try it out and see what I'm still capable of doing, hell I might impress myself. Laughing.....

[@usernamehere6061]

@@billweihl2859 Thats awesome! If you remember to... let me know what you think about it after you try it, I'd be curious to see how you like it or if you hate it.

[@usernamehere6061]

@@Brian-R You must be a bigger guy. Tethrd fits better on smaller frames I'll agree.

[@usernamehere6061]

@@Brian-R Heavier set

[@garyjones5093]

Dan. You do have to be fair though. You said you hugged the tree so the deer couldn’t see you. Then the footage shows the camera go from one side of the tree to the other. You definitely had camera movement. You would also with a saddle, but to use that example was not really realistic. Also, if you had someone with even a little experience in the saddle, that shot is very easy to make in a saddle, and I think it could be argued that in a saddle you would have been more consealed behind the tree because you can slide behind the tree more. I’ve hunted out of stands for forty years, and still do, but the saddle (one year) has been great for me with a bad back. I feel safer, more comfortable, and much more mobility to shoot. If you stay behind the tree from the deer, your movement is concealed. And I’m simply more mobile. I still loves stands, but was no where near a fair comparison at all. If you watch it and are constructive, you would have to admit this yourself. I’m a big fan, but I’m real. I just had to comment. Keep up the great videos.

[@timlee9913]

Saddle feel like stand more and tree stand sit more. I think is about what type of terrain you are hunting and what you are comfortable with it. Great video

[@underdogoutdoors]

Great topic. I love the hype, advertising, enthusiasm that saddles & platforms- aiders, one-stick etc... It's fun. Hit it hard for 2 seasons, for me, saddle requires too much movement. With the sticks you need to get high enough, a saddle doesn't save much weight packing in. I still use the saddle in certain situations, & love it in combination with my lone wolf climber. Also disagree that a saddle is safer, any weak link or mistake you make in the dark with your tether, bridge, ropeman etc... could mean you fall backwards straight down. With my lone wolf climber & harness (I now use the saddle as a climbing harness), I can even climb past limbs, you are always connected and have the harness, the top half of the climber, the bottom half of the climber- not likely all three will fail. I've been climbing and hunting over 40 years, also had a saddle over 20 years ago, tried it & thought it was ridiculous- but with the renewed hype, I bought the Tethrd Mantis and don't regret it.

[@underdogoutdoors]

@@Brian-R Agree 100% We will definitely piss off the saddle mafia, lol.

[@darthjarjar7275]

Great the video but dont let this guys fiddle factor on the saddle or platform placement convince you, i could have setup a saddle on any side of that tree easily and alot quicker, he is either a brand new saddle hunter or just doesnt know how to really use it, saddle or lock on, both have advantages but in this situation, honestly, the saddle is 100% better in crooked trees