The Internet Is Turning On Critical Drinker - But Why?

The Critical Drinker has recently been under attack by many people online, who are most likely Disney fans, accusing him of being a toxic fan and a grifter. However I'd argue he does more good than bad as the recent Helldivers 2 situation proves we need loud voices for the fans so that studios like Sony and Disney hear our perspectives and are forced into taking action. So the grift and toxic argument is clearly ridiculous for all the reasons I outline in this video essay.
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[@TheHansen01]

I don't understand why people call him a "grifter". I've watched him for years and have never seen him sell anything. Dude literally just talks about stuff lol.

[@AJ-po6up]

Because they have no arguments so they resort to name-calling, and they like to call anyone who points out all the woke stuff a grifter even though the real grifters are them and their "consultancy agencies"

[@kdog3908]

I'd argue it's because the meaning of the word 'grifter' has drifted from its original meaning. Unless we can establish how it's being used before we discuss anything it will almost always lead to people talking past each other. In the case of The Critical Drinker (and many others), it's often being used to say he's someone I don't like, or he's dishonest and a fraud. I don't think TCD uses film critique as a vehicle to push a political agenda, which would be political grifting. I think he just genuinely enjoys critiquing film and popular media.

[@artnull13]

Watch his review on Arcane then watch an actual critical review by Whatthe40k titled ‘Arcane: not as great as you think’. Point is at some point he sold out his scruples for some superficial takes probably to gain subscribers from a different demographic or base. This is now so much more obvious where the Drinker praises the fallout tv series whilst Mauler evicerates it.

[@blackosprey2219]

You're dealing with people who are convinced that the only way you could disagree with them is if you're stupid or lying.

[@Kamehaiku]

​@solarydays you mean politics in general 🙄

[@Sonicsaber]

"You know you are over the target when the flak is heaviest." Never has a quote been proven more right than now with stuff like this happening. They can't control what comes out of his mouth, so they gotta run the buzzword list to find something to disparage what he says. Its become textbook at this point.

[@SlipdeGarcondeJour]

Attacking his opinions is entirely valid. Attacking him as a person is cringe, and counterproductive.

[@keelanbarron928]

.....isn't that technically the same thing?

[@sumnahlennon5449]

He relies purely on people's angry and rage for views. Its toxic, and those type of KZbinrs always get their same toxic audience turned against them

[@liquidamerican8543]

@@keelanbarron928 No. How would that be the same thing? Care to explain your reasoning?

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@keelanbarron928According to Critical Drinker and his fans, there is just one right opinion. Anything else is a false review. That also means Critical Drinker: by his own standards cant have the wrong opinion either.

[@yummiestfern2316]

@@sumnahlennon5449provide some evidence for that claim

[@darkhighwayman1757]

He's a dude who wants good movies, tv and games.

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@mal35m-dw2qv]

Well there your are. No wonder why movie, TV and game studios Hat. E. him so much.

[@mal35m-dw2qv]

They want to shovel Wok. E. Poo bear at us while we shovel money to them. Instead of fighting him they should listen to him.

[@mal35m-dw2qv]

Critical Drinker did not cause the problems with these IPS, he and others are only reporting on why they are having problems with IPs that should be like a license to print money.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

Unlike a lot of the people *making* the movies... who see it as nothing more than a job and a platform to push their own agenda... while subverting the existing IP's... Reminder... "subvert" means TO RUIN.

[@martijnklaassen3536]

The Drinkers video of some movies is more entertainment then the movie itself

[@NoshikiYT]

Fr

[@johndoe8785]

💯

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha very true

[@some_might_say]

Truth

[@ChrisVandenheuvel]

The reason I watch movies these days is so I can then watch drinker's reviews. He's awesome.

[@fictitiousart6410]

Colonel Drinker is fucking awesome.

[@whynot1548]

Spellcheck much?

[@trizahnganga8405]

so true

[@Andy-gf7dq]

@@whynot1548wdym he didn’t misspell anything

[@damagingthebrand7387]

I thought he was a Lt. Colonel?

[@superfunhappyslide]

I’m going to call him colonel drinker from now on!

[@rofalmatt]

Drinker isnt grifring people. He is not logan paul scamming people to buy his crypto

[@thejessegrant]

Ahaha so true

[@darioactive-man3287]

he has no advertisments,, no sponsors,..and have just an immense knowhow about storytelling in general,..thats why he is so well recieved,..he IS an author,..unlike Hollywoods diversity hires for example,..

[@Silverblade416]

You're. . . Right. In fact, why do they not go after people like Lopan Gaul? Or whatever the hell his name is. Is it for attention? It doesn't mean they go against the tide against something does not mean they make profound pointers. . . It doesn't even benefit themselves to oppose what everyone rationally and logically knows is right. . . Why do they support what obviously stabs them on the back AND front?! So it leads back to a single-letter question for this matter: *WHY?*

[@abombnyy13]

People Calling him A grifter for just giving his honest opinion is not shocking in the slightest

[@gammafrost]

@@Silverblade416selective outrage

[@Jammsbro1]

"The internet" aren't attacking him, a bunc of panicking, whiners are. And losing.

[@vfvs11a]

He doesn't agree with right think (aka left think), therefore he must be canceled.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yep, little cry babies who can't handle anyone outside their echo chamber.

[@mikeexits]

The Tumblratti.

[@ceasarsaran8573]

Exactly.

[@rickwj324]

Critical Drinker is awesome.

[@thejessegrant]

100%

[@noneyabizz8337]

He's usually on point, which is why he's being attacked.

[@NoshikiYT]

@@noneyabizz8337meh he’s fine in my opinion plus his views don’t offend anyone besides soft and people who don’t want to hear his opinions

[@Dummy_israndom]

​@@thejessegrant *0%

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@NoshikiYTnot really. His typr of content appeals to toxic people. Either internet keyboard warriors or people that go on the internet looking for reasons to be angry. Like a wrestler known as CM Punk. Or YongYea, Griffin Gaming, etc. The entire audience goes online to be angry all the time and behaves like only one opinion is correct. And its so easy for the same audience to turn against the KZbinr. Same reason wrestling fans turned on CM Punk.

[@mikemulvey5789]

I find it ironic and disturbing that The Critical Drinker is being accused of pandering to a particular political ideology while the very companies he critiques are openly and overtly doing the same damn thing.

[@paulelroy6650]

he’s doing just that though. he will butch and moan and you melts will go along with it so he keeps doing the same thing and the cycle continues. most of the things he slags off people just blinding follow his shitty opinion before they even give a film or tv show a chance.

[@mikemulvey5789]

@@paulelroy6650 those shows you are defending are shit, plain and simple. The RIngs of Power doesn’t need to be given a chance, its bad writing, its disrespectful of the source material, and the creators openly mock and antagonize the fans. That is just one example, all of modern Hollywood seems to be hell bent on following this model

[@MarquezDaniel]

So you agree that the woke and anti woke basically act the same?

[@ElAssoWipe-o]

@@MarquezDaniel They're not the same. You're just claiming that they're same in order to trick people into supporting woke content.

[@MarquezDaniel]

@@ElAssoWipe-o they’re the same in getting triggered at everything that may be perceived as woke or anti woke. How am I supporting woke content? See that’s what I mean y’all just throw the word woke around like how the left throw the word nazi around. The anti woke have become the very thing they hate.

[@chadb9270]

The drinker is currently doing more to improve Hollywood than all of Hollywood.

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha so true

[@G360LIVE]

@@thejessegrant Not true. Name one movie that was improved because he said something. I'll wait...🙃

[@NordicDan]

@@G360LIVE His reviews of shitty movies are better than the actual movies. Hollywood didn't make anything better, but the Drinker took their excretions and made something entertaining out of them.

[@yarc9]

@@NordicDanthe actual movies are better than his reviews

[@NordicDan]

@@yarc9 well then you just go right ahead and enjoy the likes of Damsel and The Acolyte.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

I'm a freaking gay man and at this point the drunken Scotsman is the only critic I trust anymore.

[@aldunlop4622]

Bro I'm a straight white man and I back you. We're not attacking you; we're attacking the people who constantly want to create division. These modern people want to create chaos and benefit from it, they don't care about you, just themselves.

[@abercrombieblovs2042]

@@aldunlop4622 Exactly.

[@hwfgproductions]

Disney stock collapse today is testament to ignoring these critics and fans

[@jimbrown2688]

Disney collapse is pure self harm. Absolutely nothing to do with Drinker or other online reviewers.

[@diemes5463]

@@jimbrown2688 it's been having a growing effect, nerdrotic was on Fox news recently, so the reach of their criticism is going beyond youtube

[@penske_material]

has it really collapsed though? They seem to be doing fine.

[@Murdock347]

Again that collapse is not that significant as Disney also has ways to boost up their stocks by also listening to their fans, but ofc grifters like to ignore those and nitpick on their flaws

[@Zaphod771]

​@@penske_material, most companies can be forgiven for performance in 2020 due to lockdowns, etc. Track company values from 2021, and in the entertainment sector, Disney is doing something wrong. They are on a clear downward trend, not a momentary 1 percent "dip." They have lost over a FIFTH of their 2021 value. Adjusted for inflation, it is actually worse than almost every other company except 20th Century Fox (whom Disney bought). Not that anyone else is doing that well either. Disney is simply winning the race to the bottom after being on top for so long, and that is startling.

[@unncommonsense]

They can call him what they like, but they can't call him wrong.

[@akatsukicloak]

I can call him wrong easily, because his "the message" is a punchline for his videos to harness views, he's a grifter, whenever the movie or tv show is doing well he completely ignores said message to not lose his audience.

[@Stathio]

He's wrong.

[@The_Funniest_Cut]

@@akatsukicloakOkay lol

[@liamjm9278]

@@akatsukicloak Like what?

[@bjornskivids]

@@akatsukicloak He's not a grifter. He just has opinions which don't always further your political narratives. I don't always agree with him either. But then if you agree with someone 100% of the time, you should probably ask yourself why

[@zezeti2246]

They hate it that someone popular is saying what a high majority of us already think,but are not heard on our own😊

[@thejessegrant]

100%

[@joseherrera8489]

No, you're a small minority. But a loud one.

[@kinabalucat]

@@joseherrera8489notice how nobody like your comment? majority entertainment consumers are agreeing with him. you can also read other comments here

[@storkfletcher821]

@@kinabalucat You should probably go to school if you think something like getting likes on a contrary sub-comment on a video about that the Drinker is good means anything. You don't have clue about what the majority of consumers think because there isn't proper data to establish that. This is how ignorant people that are desperate to have others support their opinions argue. The opinion isn't the point here, the terrible arguing for it is.

[@krashd]

@@kinabalucat "notice how nobody like your comment?" Because he is in YOUR echo chamber you donut! If you struggle with the simple stuff, Jesus...

[@redschect3r]

He’s always been under fire by certain people but was never considered big enough to be much of a threat to “the message”. He must be having more of an impact now.

[@Mac-eo4bc]

Him and Nerdrotic got interviewed on TV So definitely

[@amyb.6368]

If you're getting flak, you're over the target, as they say.

[@robchuk4136]

Exactly.

[@dogstar5927]

The Drinker always has my vote !

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@miscprojects9662]

Crazy how planks of wood and woke trash don’t like being labeled.

[@whynot1548]

So u can't think for yourself....

[@AbrasiousProductions]

same here

[@hurricane_laura]

Mine too! He's awesome.

[@vmoutsop]

When you have studios blaming the fan base, their delusional mentality will continue and we will lose anything good that comes from entertainment.

[@victord3867]

Give customers what they want. That's like business 101

[@jacejackson5253]

It's also just plain obvious.

[@zmortis111]

The new rule is hype something to make the customer think they are missing out if they don't get it, and bundle it with marxist ideology disguised as social issues.

[@TheAsiandramafreak]

They are panicking because they are collapsing, it’s just the sound of barking dogs

[@ScottyDont1945]

Basically the cornered animal just aiming to cause as much damage as possible before getting eaten alive

[@lanceestrella5472]

Critical Drinker is a solid guy. I like him

[@whynot1548]

Why cuz he's anti woke? Most people are. That doesnt make him a good critic

[@sup3414]

​@@whynot1548wtf is even "anti woke"? Is that even a damn word?

[@trizahnganga8405]

me too

[@kazamakell]

@@sup3414 i believe that means normal people grounded in reality

[@diemes5463]

@@whynot1548 his takes are actually pretty mild in comparison to others

[@chikahitorochill3853]

None of his fans have turned on him. The people attacking him have never liked him. they're just more vocal now.

[@jamesrippy1161]

The people who’ve been promoting “the message” have been proven how wrong they are but instead of admitting their own incompetence they’d rather resort to name-calling and false allegations against those like the drinker and nerdrotic who’ve been calling them out for years

[@ErikDeMann]

Indoctrination inevitably turns the weakminded into fanatics, because their belief system is all they have.

[@mikitz]

A narcissist never assumes accountability, only shifts the blame on anyone else. Also, for them, confidence equals competence.

[@Kamehaiku]

​@mikitz then the entire internet as a whole is narcissistic.

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@fredfredburger5150]

No no no you have to put an asterisk before and after so it reads as *the message*

[@sebastiansauve3752]

Studios only want critics that agree with them to talk about their films.

[@WolfmanArt]

At least KZbin critics are more honest, just like the Critical Drinker.

[@NoshikiYT]

Honesty is the best policy

[@noneyabizz8337]

That's the problem, isn't it?

[@Tompa8411]

YEP that's why so many listen to KZbin critics today instead of the magazine reviews

[@matthewshort4466]

He’s not honest. He has a formulated opinion on most things, purposely misses information in order to prove his narrative right and flat out lies. He has a good message behind him but I think he is far too dishonest to take seriously

[@sumnahlennon5449]

​@@Tompa8411KZbin critics *ARE NOT HONEST.* They prioritize drama and rage and go in the direction they [think] their angry audience wants. Just like Twitter warriors [you] they act like any and all opinions they have are fact and law. And overall have a toxic comment section. Critical Drinker is another one of those guys. But relying on outtage for views means that very toxic audience you created can turn on you

[@theutilizer]

"A few random wacko's, and some corporate shills" are turning on the drinker. Definitely not the internet.

[@sakkra93]

He who tells unpopular truths will never be popular to those who believe perfect fantasies.

[@parthpandey9502]

Wow somehow that's better than all the dialogue in Rebel moon. Good job buddy 🎉🎉🎉

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@whynot1548]

It doesnt take any brain, wisdom, or any artistic integrity to be a film snob on the web. And being anti-woke doesnt make Critical Drinker a treasure. He's just as one dimensional as any critic at Entertainment Weekly

[@adamgardner2244]

Well said

[@ClockworkGearhead]

@@whynot1548 He's never called himself that and no one ever claimed he was. He is, however, right, and you are wrong. So, if he's "one dimensional," that makes you entirely devoid of substance altogether.

[@darioactive-man3287]

,...anyway,,,thats all i got for today,...GO AWAY NOW !

[@lulubugs2752]

So basically another ordinary day for Drinker?

[@jacejackson5253]

For real.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, like he gives a rat's ass.

[@hairycoo]

That he is now being attacked only proves how powerful the Drinker has become. All hail!

[@DorkySwimmer]

A wise man once said; "Toxic fans, you suck."

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha

[@trizahnganga8405]

hahaha

[@vfvs11a]

Toxic Fan = any fan who has an opinion to the right of Marx or doesn't like "entertainment" that is just a series of DEI and leftwing check boxes.

[@DekkarJr]

Why? Because he is standing up.

[@craigpridemore7566]

When someone calls you out, point by point, telling you where you're wrong, you've got 2 choices: 1) argue your case (they obviously can't/won't) or 2) try to make him stop telling the truth. Hmmm, which approach has Disney taken?...

[@jamesmarshall6619]

I mean, several people have pointed out where he gets a lot wrong. Don't get me wrong, Disney has put out a lot of bad movies, some of Drinkers criticisms are spot on but he also tries to shoehorn a lot of what he thinks into certain narratives he thinks that are going on and in some cases, he just gets things wrong. Many people have pointed out his issues and given details and him telling the "truth" is well, not so clear cut.

[@jayboo8495]

@@jamesmarshall6619 can you show me where he is wrong. just once.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

@@jayboo8495 he got quite a bit wrong with Glass Onion and I didn't even like the movie. It was a terrible review where he mischaracterizes, or lies, about a scene with Bautista watching his girlfriend cheat where he tries to say the director tried to basically rewrite a scene when he's talking about two different scenes but he either conflates the two on accident or completely misrepresents what happens. From my understanding someone made a video that went point by point on how much he got wrong with Glass Onion but I didn't bother to watch it because just my own watching of his review I could see he got quite a bit wrong and I'm not talking difference of opinion because I also didn't like the movie, I'm talking about just getting factual things about the movie wrong. I've seen him give some good reviews, I don't always agree with him but I've seen him capable of giving some reviews with good depth but that one was awful. There are other examples where he either purposely misses the point or he just doesn't actually get it.

[@jayboo8495]

@@jamesmarshall6619 sure buddy. clout chase some more.

[@ccricers]

@@jayboo8495 You didn't give an equal exchange, but you probably don't care.

[@kevinintheusa8984]

I love the Critical Drinker and don't see him as a grifter. He is great and one of the best reviewers on the internet.

[@whynot1548]

U sound like a grifting bot urself..... Most people are anti woke, that doesnt mean we have to elevate technocratic narcissistic buffoons on the internet just because they're making money off our values

[@carlitosbro]

"The Internet"? More like a bunch of grifters are attacking him as usual

[@thejessegrant]

Ahah however there seems to be more videos with lots of views and lots of likes. So clearly it’s a lot of people however it’s utterly ridiculous

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@thejessegrant It's just less successful people desperately trying to grab at least a tiny bit of that fame.

[@andy62501]

As soon as people started posting Tha Message in the comments sections of Disney trailers he got a target painted on his back

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, it's getting pretty wild now that you see mass media people saying THE MESSAGE. I love it, the voice for common sense. Stick your brainwashing bullshit up your ass, I just want a good movie...

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

It doesnt seem to me anyone is turning on him, Some people didnt like his fallout take but thats fine

[@thejessegrant]

Just noticing more of these videos with many getting hundreds of thousands to millions of views. And hundreds of thousands of likes so it’s interesting to see that happening. I think it’s dumb though

[@loke6664]

Yeah, I don't think there even been a critic who's readers/viewers agreed with 100% of the time since taste do differ. But it is pretty easy to see if people are turning against him or not since he have his sub numbers on his channel, if you see a significant drop in subs people are turning against him, if not that is just Hollywood's wishful thinking. He does seem to be sitting pretty steady at 2 million subs though.

[@Alwyn2112]

If you think about it though, sometimes critics do differ from usual routes but that should be also fine. Whose to say like audiences a critic can’t think for themself? When Pink Floyd’s movie version of The Wall came out, most critics & even audiences were mixed on it, but Roger Ebert was the rare critic who openly praised the film. The film is now regarded as a cult classic by a larger group and it kind of puts into perspective how the critic-audience divide can still exist even if opinions shift over time.

[@fredfredburger5150]

The way I see it if a critic always has an opinion that I agree with that's a bad critc. I want a critic (including Drinker) to not always have an opinion I agree with.

[@loke6664]

@@fredfredburger5150 True, you can use a mirror if you want to see someone always agreeing with you. Besides, a lot of the points of a critic is that they are someone we can watch when we are considering going to watch a movie or not. Sure, it can be amusing to see them tearing a new one to a bad movie we already seen and thought was bad but that is not what annoys Hollywood, it is more like when Drinker recommends us to not go to the new Marvel movie and we follow his advice.

[@lastmanstanding5423]

they hate him cuz he created "THE MESSAGE" meme

[@noneyabizz8337]

Like the fans, the voice of criticism is being attacked instead of introspection and accountability. We, the fans, want to enjoy material we grew up loving. They're not delivering anything remotely close to our beloved media. The fans aren't the problem, we're the dummies who buy every trinket and bobble.

[@thejessegrant]

Exactly

[@mikitz]

Consumerism at its worst.

[@Murdock347]

Nobody criticizes Critical Drinker just because he is a critic lmfao!! people criticize him because he judges things too quickly and makes false conclusions out of those assumptions(at least the vast majority)

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@Murdock347 nobody?

[@Murdock347]

@@noneyabizz8337 Read my comment properly!

[@jamesdouglass2724]

Utter bs; he’s no grifter; doesn’t do promotions or ads. He just entertains us. If you don’t like him don’t want him. Simple

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha exactly

[@riddickraymond7067]

Disney has turned there bot army on the Drinker like they did with Gina carano.

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

Excepting they can't fire the Drinker, nor leave him outta the huge work environment he chose to dedicate himself to.

[@user-uy5py5ih2t]

Critical drinker was funny but after watching him for a while it’s just him complaining about literally EVERYTHING. Especially when he does a group stream/video with Nerdrotic and that group. When they’re together it is absolutely trash and just a giant cry session.

[@cainabel615]

But if everything is garbage, is he wrong?

[@user-uy5py5ih2t]

@@cainabel615 except everything isn’t garbage so yes he’s wrong.

[@cainabel615]

@@user-uy5py5ih2t yeah but the stuff he criticizes is garbage.

[@user-uy5py5ih2t]

@@cainabel615 not all of it. He’s riding the “hate on everything” wave that’s going around KZbin especially on the movie scene. He nitpicks a lot and it comes off as just bitching about everything after a while.

[@cainabel615]

@@user-uy5py5ih2t hes still not wrong and it’s up to the viewers to go and watch the movies if he so chooses. It’s not up to critics, whoever they are, to make people see movies. It’s up to movies to make movies people want to watch while making a profit. Critical Drinker actually said he liked Furiosa, but he said it was a bait and switch because there’s no Mad Max, but as a stand-alone movie it was fine. A critic’s job is to nitpick. But most of what’s produced today is garbage. That’s just my opinion. Now, maybe you like what’s being produced, and that’s ok. To each their own. I just find critical drinker and others like him have my particular taste in movies. Not everything is for everyone and I’m ok with that. But blaming critics and fans for poor box office receipts is lazy and stupid.

[@CastlesKingSide]

To quote EndimyonTv: keep voting with your wallets. In terms of gaming drama he covers stuff better than the Drinker.

[@thejessegrant]

Yeah I’ve seen some of his videos he’s more of a gaming channel than the drinker right? He does a few movie stuff but more gaming?

[@NoshikiYT]

I’ve barely seen people talk about him recently

[@CastlesKingSide]

@@thejessegrant precisely. But voting with your wallets applies to bad movies all the same

[@NoshikiYT]

@@CastlesKingSideI like his content and views but he turned into one of those channels that call things they don’t like “woke” It’s fine to have an opinion about stuff but don’t push views and agendas

[@CastlesKingSide]

@@NoshikiYT if out of his 20 something minutes he'll maybe annoy me for 2 every now and then it's good enough for me. Never said he's perfect, but acceptably flawed

[@DysfunctionalParrot]

A small group of losers should not be confused with "the internet".

[@loke6664]

This comes from Hollywood trying to blame anyone else for their movies flopping. If the audience are right, then they would be forced to admit they screwed up and and change direction but we are talking about high ego people who hate being wrong. They did "Toxic fans" until recently but that backfired pretty badly so now they are blaming "KZbin critics" instead. The problem is that while they probably can make life harder for critics that wont help them since people don't like trash. It is pretty hard to not talk politics when that is the only thing many movies have.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, I'm a really bad, toxic person because I don't like shit movies. I need rehab...

[@Mouse_Metal]

They are attacking him because he is more dangerous to the w0kecause than the obvious grifters who hate everything for the sake of hating. He doesn´t only criticize, he also recommends stuff.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

he has no effect on any of that. He's popular with a small subset of people but for the most part he has no effect on anything. He's often funny and entertaining but he's not close to being dangerous because no one cares what he says. If woke was as bad as people say Barbie wouldn't have been such a massive success as nothing was more woke than Barbie. Crappy movies are what people don't like, if it's good and woke they'll go watch it.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@jamesmarshall6619 Your mistake is you assume narcissists think like normal people. They don´t. They have constant need to play victim to gain power through manipulation, they lack self-reflection and camouflage their fragile ego with fake grandiose persona. We´re talking about people so fragile and insecure they flagged and deleted my obscure fanfic because it went against The Message. They absolutely consider Drinker a threat, he is much more influential then the first and last fanfic I have ever tried to upload online.

[@daemonhoundofkhorne834]

@@jamesmarshall6619 Woke and good are basically contradictory terms. Also Barbie is tailored to a more accepting audience for that ideology and a bit of a one off. So much of modern entertainment has at least some hamfisted DEI stuff now its hard to avoid so some of those projects people are going to end up watching.

[@jamesmarshall6619]

@@daemonhoundofkhorne834 they are not contradictory terms just like conservative and good aren't contradictory. Barbie is also not a one off, the not so great "woke" Little Mermaid also made a good profit. Plus "woke" is just a word now thrown out for everything so when people say it they just change what the definition is. HBO's Watchmen was called woke and after a slow start took off and while it had plenty of criticisms of some conservative ideas, it also was critical of progressive ideas but was called "woke" so that's why the use of the term when people try to discredit something is usually dumb. They point to failures, which there are a lot, and ignore the successes which are in television and movies. "Woke" movies and television shows are every bit as successful as "traditional" or "conservative" ones in that, most fail, a few are highly successful, a lot is mediocre.

[@daemonhoundofkhorne834]

@@jamesmarshall6619 You used the term woke before I did so I assumed we were both coming at the word from the same place, but if I must clarify further I'm talking about hamfisted intersectionality and in your face progressiveness that is common through a lot of modern entertainment. The opposite of woke also isn't conservative I suppose you could argue traditional, but I generally just think of entertainment that doesn't send a strong political message or rub the viewer's nose in it. Somewhat apolitical. I am generally against entertainment that would hit me over the head with conservative themes as well, but we both know that's far less common unless I subscribe to the Daily Wire or something. You also picked two really bad examples of successful woke entertainment. The Little Mermaid while not considered a complete flop, was considered a disappointment by Disney and ya that HBO Watchmen show wasn't exactly successful other than some award nominations that the general public couldn't care less about. In my opinion that show was awful, but that's neither here nor there. A better option I would have picked is the movie Prey which I thought was pretty heavy handed in its political posturing, but was at least a half decent movie. Still kind of a 6/10 for me though to be honest and that's about the best "woke" thing I can think of. Your final point though about "woke" movies and tv shows being as successful as traditional ones is extremely dubious. As you stated before the word "woke" is often used in an ambiguous fashion and from what I've seen most entertainment with heavy handed political themes that I personally would consider "woke" tend to fail. You can get very lost in the weeds with this though as there is entertainment I would say has woke elements, but the sum of its parts isn't woke which makes it harder to classify.

[@MA_KA_PA_TIE]

Drinker is the most important critic around

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@whynot1548]

No he's not. YOU are the best Critic in ur own life in what u consume. Stop letting narcissists on a screen define ur reality, just because they "vocally" adhere to some of ur values

[@Dartanyoogles]

​@@whynot1548Brilliantly said!

[@akatsukicloak]

Only if you like listening to others what to think, and going by a grifter's metric that's not very high standard.

[@shadow_realm47]

@@whynot1548 naah.

[@DerekGoveDesign]

“If you’re taking flak, you’re over the target.”

[@rockytheblackdragon]

This is insane

[@thejessegrant]

Truly

[@Recapsulate]

Drinker is going to get more hated the more popular he gets. The dude just hit 2 million subs on his main channel and he’s making a lot of money from super chats in a community that pays big money to hear their super chats read live on KZbin. This tends to make people that don’t agree with him jealous and grifter is the first thing those type of haters can think to say.

[@aldunlop4622]

He's only getting hated by people he doesn't give a fuck about. That's the point, he doesn't live in their echo chambers where they all have to agree with each other. Drinker, and growing Legions of people like him, are free to express their (common sense) opinions.

[@johndoe8785]

Yeh I don't watch a movie or play a game unless Drinker and Nerdrotic give it a thumbs up. I've literally saved thousands of dollars over the past 10 years because of them.

[@mybrotheristheman]

Same.

[@Uzarran]

I've spent more money in theaters over the last six months than I have the last ten years, all because of Drinker's recommendations. No regrets!

[@cathair-moustache]

Damn, imagine needing someone to tell you want to watch.

[@johndoe8785]

@@cathair-moustache Can't afford to waste my hard earned straight white male money on woke 💩. 👌

[@markwilson4686]

Not saying these two don't have good critics, but you shouldn't let them dictate what media you will enjoy or not, that's just being a sheep. If you're not sure if you would enjoy a movie or game and don't want to spend the cash just pirate it and experience it for yourself. You're not Drinker or Nerdrotic so your opinion and taste isn't always going to line up.

[@BlueEdge047]

Apparently, they have learned nothing from Paramount regarding Sonic in his first live-action design, if it were not for the outcry from the fans, Paramount, The Sonic Movie series, and the franchise as a whole would have been screwed.

[@samryan180]

Its paid agitators. As someone that has been paid money to protest that he doesn't care about (I did it in college a lot), people do it. I can't see why it wouldn't expand to groups like Sweet Baby Inc doing the same thing.

[@thejessegrant]

Imagine that’s what was happening! That would be crazy

[@AlexAppleby]

The Drinker is honestly a breath of fresh air in the movie criticism scene and I trust him to give an honest opinion of when either a movie or show comes out. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but I trust him, which is more than can be said for other critics out there.

[@skaidonC]

Very similar to the recent drama with Hello Future Me. (see Random Film Talk's response video for details) Essentially: left-leaning content creator accuses right-leaning content creator(s) (or perceived as being right-leaning) of: A: Using their film criticism as a Trojan Horse for conservative politics B: Being monetarily influenced to do A Never mind that these right-leaning content creators are criticizing a multinational, multibillion dollar corporate oligopoly. whereas these left leaning content creators are defending said corporation(s)...for free! The sheer double standards and hypocrisy would be shocking if it wasn't so predictable. Edit: For why Disney's behaviour is bad for the long-term health of the company, I highly recommend "Disney has Brand Cancer" by Greg Owen.

[@caedrewan]

love your comment (I like Greg Owen's videos too) Please refer to my comment (somewhere) about the idea that these critics get their funding from government grants - it's just my idea, but living in Canada, I know a number of artists and they always get a good chunk of change from government arts programs. So, do they defend corporations for free? Yes and No -> I think they FEEL like they're defending them for free, while getting gov't support

[@skaidonC]

@@caedrewan There's something in that. Or, to mention HFM again - he said in his (first) Rings of Power review he was approached by amazon to review RoP, and he said yes....on the condition he would be able to say what he really thought of it....and they ghosted him. Evidence to support anything Eric July has said about "shills". Or to phrase it another way: Critic = someone who criticises (contains both positive feedback and constructive criticism) If you call yourself a "critic" but only ever praise shows you're paid to, you're really just a "for hire" marketing consultant.

[@seanmillette4323]

Funny that they are trying to accuse The Drinker of carrying "A mEsSaGe". It's nice to know that he is pushing all of the right buttons though.

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha

[@thedealmama3070]

The Critical Drinker is not just political if he was he would have a much smaller platform. He’s just a voice for the fans. And a very good and honest one.

[@andrewhicks982]

The millions of views per vid would say otherwise

[@danielm2808]

These people who are accusing him of being a grifter can’t think for themselves, I would be questioning who’s told them to think this. It probably doesn’t take a genius to work out.

[@rmooreg]

To hell with internet trolls, the Drinker says it straight! That' all I got... go away now

[@diviningdragon]

This is an accurate evaluation of why The Critical Drinker and similar KZbinrs succeed--and why activists want to marginalize them. The truth 'resonates' while spin 'alienates.' Now The Critical Drinker is recognized as a 'threat' that must be dealt with. It makes sense that Disney and similar grifters are threatened by legitimate analysis and the consequences of reality. And it is all the more justified why a discerning audience should concern themselves with supporting The Critical Drinker to keep the truth flowing...

[@aldunlop4622]

Well, that's the beauty of KZbin, they can't cancel him, or me, or others like us. Everyone is free to express their opinions. Grifting implies either going with the flow or going directly against it for favour. Drinker, and certainly me don't express our opinions for favour, we express them because that's honestly how we feel. If anyone doesn't like it, that's fine, we welcome civil discourse on any issue.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

The Drinker has literally never sold any product??? These people attacking him are insane.😑

[@MagcargoMan]

Except his books. And his shirts. And his plushes...

[@Stathio]

And his channel...

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

Go find one video in the last few weeks, I haven't seen him promote any of his products hardly at all.

[@MagcargoMan]

@@rocksreviewsreactions337 Look at these shifted goalposts. Guess you don't know what "literally never" means.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

@@MagcargoMan He still "Literally never" has done that. You guys still haven't provided any video that proves he did.

[@unluckythirteen7538]

Online Critiques are doing the work that professional review platforms like IGN or Rotten Tomatoes were supposed to do. Instead of framing them, studios should listen to critiques in a healthy way 😗✊🏻

[@sumnahlennon5449]

And now his fans are saying Critical Drinker failed. This is the audience he created. People like you that cant separate the concept of OPINION and now Critical Drinker is destroyed. For havinh wrong opinions

[@AJ-po6up]

@@sumnahlennon5449 What fans? I haven't seen any fans say that stuff, only lefties who already hate him, so nothing weird or new really.

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

@@sumnahlennon5449 WHERE? Where are his fans saying that?! Put up or shut up.

[@Icemario87]

As a black man in America, I don't think Critical Drinker addresses minority pandering enough. But I forgive him for that because it's his channel, not mine. And it's nice to have plenty of evidence that he's a competent and fair critic.

[@marcinmcula99]

Whenever someone uses the word "woke" as objective criticism it's a sign that this is a person whose opinions should not be taken seriously

[@Ineedgames]

"Woke" became to vague that I can't even tell what they talk about when they say it now.

[@martinportelance138]

And why is that? How would you name the phenomenon yourself?

[@PeterLambert2211]

Studio heads are trying to astroturf a dog pile on critical drinker (and other honest critics) because they think the critics are to blame for their terrible movies losing money. Pathetic.

[@biguy617]

I don’t like Nerdrotic because he is too angry and too much of his own political bias shows in his videos. Too much like a nerd version of Ben Sharpio or Steve Crowder.

[@rosemarywozniak7013]

Or Alex Jones.

[@gregsmith7949]

You catch the most flak when you're over the target. They've ignored him, they've ridiculed him yet he still is still popular, so now they attack him. Just like with Gary from Nerdrotic.

[@jamesjacobs4209]

Wouldn't surprise me if these people were actually bots with Disney management behind this crap!

[@Xiy114]

People dont like truth, responsibility and having to think or sometimes feel uncomfortable

[@zombierepublican]

“Woke” was never why these movies were bad. It was bad lazy writing. They only used diversity to convince people to watch it. Diversity never has anything to do with it. The fact that it’s what they point to is the problem.

[@speakingwithoutnet]

Yep. when people say stuff like the X-Men\Star Trek\Dr.,Who was always woke! I usually respond with, "They dealt with progressive issues, but they usually emphasized story over message. Now it's only message, with virtually no story.

[@Mouse_Metal]

W0ke is the key problem if the whole movie is written around absurd demands like: - "male character must not explain stuff to female character" - "female character has to beat any male character no matter their size, experience, or numbers" - "non-white characters must not be villains because it is a negative stereotype" - "female characters must not be villains because it´s misogyny" - "if female characters or non-white characters are villains they are always misunderstood victims and the real villain is patriarchy/whites"

[@zombierepublican]

@@Mouse_Metal I’d argue, that’s just bad writing plane and simple. How many movies are that really? Are these the only movies people call “woke” or is it any tv show or movie that doesn’t feature a male white lead?

[@Mouse_Metal]

​@@zombierepublican You disproved any credibility you might have by "or is it any tv show or movie that doesn’t feature a male white lead?" strawman "argument". Typical and painfully obvious examples of the rules I listed above are: - Bo-Karen from Disney Star Wars who is a sociopathic, narcissistic scheming villain, was a high ranking terr0rist and literal white slaver (LOL) but the plot ignores it. She can also beat everyone including men twice her size and 20 years younger even when she is in her late fifties. The real hero, the hardworking, honorable latino single dad was sidelined in his own story in favour of her (who is the ra*ist here?) - Dangerhair Wren also from DSW who is the bestest evaaah in everything from fighting to painting and was also given Force powers now and the most basic, key lore of the universe was changed for it. - Reva also from DSW who is a psychothic villain just like Bo-Karen, but because she couldn´t force herself to kill a little kid in the end (after killing and torturing many people including a child) she is "good" now and there are no consequences, she can walk free. - Rey from DSW to much lesser extent than pseudocharacters mentioned above because she is not evil and not as absurdly hypercompetent in so many things as Dangerhair. But there were male characters thrown under the bus and sidelined to make her more important, including Finn the black guy. - Holdo the privileged white Karen who acts like she´s with the enemies but is supposed to be right. Treats the latino guy like trash because he questions her suspicious behavior. - Ahsoka acting like a f-ing dark sider all the time with no consequences, defeating enemies who killed even full trained Jedi masters, being constantly praised for the stuff others did and never punished proportionally to her mistakes and bad deeds... (there is a whole channel dedicated to the analysis of this Mary Sue). - Maleficent in her version of the story where she is literally the "misunderstood victim" trope. - Mary Shuri from MCU - bestest evaah hypersupergenius and warrior who is a ra*ist brat but it´s treated like a joke. - whole Wakanda full of hypocrites who whine about evil whiites while they were sitting in their isolated country, keeping the precious magical space material to themselves and doing nothing to help other African countries. - Wanda who is praised as her-o after torturing a whole town, no consequences for that because she stopped eventually - SheHulk who is better in everything than Hulk and catcalling is apparently the worst thing which can happen to anyone because she says so - "Freckled Jesus" terr0rist from the MCU (Falcon and Wintersoldier show I think) - Barrista Coffee from DSW who bombed the Jedi temple, framed her friend Ahsoka for that, but she walked without consequences and is "good now" because the script says so (Disney really has a problem with promoting terr0rists for some reason) - Craptain Marvel strongest and bestest evaah.

[@oa-san53]

Yeah. Exactly. Shows like X-Men 97, The Boys or Doom Patrol are all woke and people love them.

[@aburninglandfillofbadmovie2930]

The Visual Media Critic, Social Critic, Archeologist, Historian, Satirist, and Philosopher have 1 big thing in common; they are obligated to tell the truth, even if it hurts your feelings.

[@one1blue]

The critical drinker videos I watched all had him obviously pushing his ideological opinions into the movie review. And since I’m a liberal and pretty much thought everything he said was just made up anti woke BS I won’t ever watch him again. His opinions were all pretty much just super bad takes. He’s the movie review version of Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder. And since those guys are giant grifters everyone associates the critical drinker as being one also just by being conservative.

[@briantoplessbar4685]

Big fan of Rebel Moon?😂😂😂😂😂

[@one1blue]

@@briantoplessbar4685 didn’t watch it why? Is that what woke people watch according to critical drinker lol.

[@Stathio]

Yeah, critical drinker pushes his agenda *HARD* for profit. The fact that people can't even see that they're being sold down the river by him is... worrying, to say the least.

[@chinyang1200]

​@@Stathiohow to say you don't actually watch his vids without saying it .

[@decker528]

He's never complained about diversity in a show until it's obvious it either completely doesn't fit in with the story being told or it's obviously just there so some people can pay themselves on the back

[@deathstar6998]

I don't hate critical drinker at all. But he makes it pretty clear that he panders to a specific audience. Because he often doesn't review or look over films/series that happen to portray the things he is so critical of in other movies in a better tone or framing, or happen to be successful despite having messages which he disapproves of. And he is very quick to jump on the critique of things even outside of his field of expertise when something happens in another industry that reinforces his major critiques of Movies/series.

[@mw56101]

He's definitely learning into it more these days

[@billkrussick6477]

truth hurts, so they have to try and tear the drinker down for speaking it.

[@PunksterOS]

I appreciate your defence of him, I saw that video in my feed last week and clicked on it against my better judgement, I didn't watch for long because it was disingenuous from the the off, even the title alone, as if he is conservative or not is even relevant, when it's not. I'm not Conservative and I agree with a lot of his observations in current TV & film. That video exists solely to accuse the creator and his audience of doing the very thing they, themselves are doing. It is projection, it's gate-keeping, it is confirmation bias and worst of all it misrepresents an entire group of people just to convince themselves that they're the good guys, other side bad, drawing a line where it does not need to be. Even when I agree with 'the message' if it is there just so it's there, that does not make the film or show suddenly great, that is ridiculous & very narrow-minded. That's my issue most of the time, is that it's not in the work organically, it's there to act as a shield against valid criticism and to get people like José to champion it. I don't see why pointing these obvious studio manipulations out is in anyway a bad thing. This was a great video, you pointed out things I never considered. Good job. Anyway, that's all I've got for the day, go... erm... thanks for reading.

[@Pete_Finch]

Thinking the drinker's got some conservative agenda is wild. Like most of us, he just wants good stories regardless - his review of Baby Reindeer shows this

[@johnleonard9102]

He typically has pretty good takes on movies and TV shows, but if you give him anything related to video games like God of War Ragnarok or The Fallout TV show, the dude is completely off the mark.

[@ricardoallende2597]

It’s a small group of whiny trolls who attack the Drinker and Nerdrotic. Should be ignored.

[@arturzinurov4781]

I just love that in the comments section of that video there is a sentiment like “wow he liked the boy and the heron doesn’t he know that Miyazaki is a feminist lmao”…these fucking team politics people are so hyper focused on politics that they don’t realise that that would mean CD is not actually a political commentator grifting the movie reviews but an actual film critic looking past politics to judge the movies in their own merits.

[@thejessegrant]

Exactly! If the story is good then the story is good! He’s not a political commentator he’s a movie reviewer that will just point out if the politics came before a good story, just as any film critic should do if that happens

[@juanluisgomezregalado6434]

No one is turning on him, just idiots.

[@zezeti2246]

Millions?! A lot these woke companies lose billions😂

[@trollking6315]

chud

[@lucymiau5700]

When a KZbinr becomes big, a lot of KZbin-Dramagrifters come to gain some crums of his success by sh...tting on him. It's the same thing like with Nerdrotic, Mauler and Eric July.

[@mw56101]

Have you seen that dullard who constantly makes videos attacking Eric July and Az? His videos are so bad he desperately needs to work on his delivery, it's really hard to take him seriously. He just had video after video critiquing them, he's the definition of bad takes.

[@nejidin]

Drinker has worked closely with the Daily Wire, a right-wing media group. He reviewed some of their movies which many people viewed as bad, and went super easy on them. Also it's funny that the video recommended after this one is CD's "Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Men". Definitely seems like he has an agenda.

[@rovhalt6650]

Who's turning on The Critical Drinker? Except the same old leftwing sycophants as always.

[@chimochills]

All these "critics" bashing him have barely even listened to him outside of clips. The same thing happens to people like Rogan. You hit critical mass and this seems to just come with the territory.

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

5:14 shogun was 98% Japanese actors. That’s the opposite of “diverse”, unless you define the word as “non-white” (which it is when it comes to Hollywood).

[@smackfanxion]

We are so cool. All of us sitting around without our pants playing with each others swords. I love hanging out with other unwashed, bonding over how I totally did watch and understood some high level stuff.... while not engaging with literally any of it. Keep up the good fart.

[@nasis18]

People are just stupid. They just want to be apart of something. It's mob mentality. Drinker calls out dumb movies and shows. That's it.

[@marksecker6606]

Several billions of gallons of booze have failed to destroy the Drinker. What makes you think you could do to do any better?

[@LordHorst]

Apparently his whole shtick is "booohooo, everyone's WOKE today and white men like me are the real victims!"

[@Ayahuasca98]

There’s more to him than that and he does have talking point but a lot of his videos is just playing victim

[@Ineedgames]

@@Ayahuasca98 So he's just bad at explaining them? That's not a good sign for a critic.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@Ineedgames hes a bum at the end of the day

[@Ineedgames]

@@Ayahuasca98 A hairy bum

[@Zed-fq3lj]

Critical Drinker is cool and mostly an objective voice of sanity in an insane world. He is limited in his knowledge about movies in general, but has a sharp observation and is both entertaining and eloquent.

[@pittland44]

People say the Drinker is Toxic, and I'm like yeah, his blood alcohol level is written in scientific notation.

[@Pendletones77]

They attack him because he speaks the truth and in a very effective communicator

[@Murdock347]

Yeah! judging things and making false conclusions before the product is even released, that sounds so truthful

[@Pendletones77]

@@Murdock347 when did he do that?

[@Murdock347]

@@Pendletones77 For the movie Prey! before the movie released dude was saying propaganda on how it is another girl power movie and is going to bomb, but surprise surprise! Prey actually was pretty well received

[@Pendletones77]

@@Murdock347 he did a trailer review first, but then he did a review of the movie saying it was better than he expected. Nothing dishonest about that.

[@Murdock347]

@@Pendletones77 Again the problem is with the sheer confidence he has in his assumptions. He blindly assumes stuff before it was released, before Prey was even released dude was so overconfident in his predictions which leads to false propaganda being spread, and when Prey was actually good he acts like he never said anything bad prior

[@akdreamer6497]

Honestly Nerdrotic is just trash. Like vitriolic over literally nothing. I like Critical Drinker, I just wish he wouldn't associate with people like Nerdrotic and the guy who foamed at the mouth over pronouns in a video game when there were only 2 options.

[@rosemarywozniak7013]

I wish I could give your comment more than one like, akdreamer6497. Critical Drinker is far better than Nerdrotic and his unhinged friend who foams at the mouth.

[@mbob4337]

What does politics have to do with the writers for She-Hulk intentionally not write the character correctly, that's in the comics. Virtually nothing was done right.

[@yumyumeatemup]

Good video Jesse but you got a few things twisted. Drinker doesn't command a large audience because he "represents us" or anything of the sort. His opinions are his own. Have always been his own and he just got sick and tired (like MANY of us) about the utter embarrassing and abysmal job that Hollywood has been doing in entertaining us and voiced his concerns. Concerns that more and more of us have begun to notice ourselves and thus we subscribe and tune in to hear his thoughts on the matter. We don't simply just support the drinker because he says what we all want to hear. Rather we support Drinker because he speaks to the heart of the problem in a lot of the bullshit coming out of Hollywood these days and it resonates with people, thus do we become fans of hearing his critique. Channels like him and Nerdrotic were ahead of the curve on this one. They noticed a trend coming out of western entertainment. A cancer of creative and moral bankruptcy that metastasized and spread from one corner in movies and film, over into TV and now Videogames. Their political leanings have jack all to do with it but like the old adage goes: "you can ignore politics, but politics won't ignore you" and because of this, now more political pundit channels have picked up on his growing numbers and success and see his critiques on movies, games and tv as an attack on those very same politically driven far left ideologies seeping into every corner of our entertainment. That's where this is coming from. If Drinker wasn't as popular as he is now, he'd STILL be giving the same critiques at 100 subscribers as he is currently at 2 million subscribers, but at very least then, these politically driven hacks could ignore him and the Gary's of the world. But with both their channels blowing up in the past couple years they can no longer go ignored, thus no longer go "unchallenged". It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and desperate but it was bound to happen sooner or later. The pendulum is FINALLY swinging and these politically driven channels are seeing the writing on the wall and thus they lash out at people like Drinker in a last ditch effort to stem the tide turning against them. What they fail to realize is as I stated before above, Drinker grows in popularity because we all see and agree with what he is saying about Hollywood. He didn't need to do any sort of mumbo-jumbo, subliminal messaging, or interpreting the films in bad faith to "trick" us into agreeing with him either. We've all come out of that theater before DESPISING what we saw on the silver screen, but we simply lacked the articulation to state how we felt and why. Drinker helps mitigate this with his videos. He is popular because he merely shares a growing commonly held belief in the poor mismanagement of western entertainment and where it currently stands. That's why we love him. That's why he's popular and grows to 2 million subs. That's why he's currently being attacked. Simple as. Luckily for him these attacks are missing the mark as they go after the man rather than going after his critique itself and can do NOTHING to stop the growing push to get "wokeness" and radical far left ideology out of our entertainment and back into the political sphere where it belongs.

[@ossihurme7572]

"Destroy Sony" yeah sure, the company is no more.

[@dan8910100]

Drinker 2024!

[@thejessegrant]

Ahahaha