Pokemon Card HP is OUT OF CONTROL

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The Pokémon Trading Card game used to max out at 120 HP. Today, that value has almost TRIPLED. How did this happen!? Let's check out the TCG's History of Thiccness to find out.
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[@TheJWittz]

None of these cards have CLOSE to as much HP as YOUR MOMMA THO

[@thepokemaniac720]

Hehe You've activated my trap card "No U" This cards effects allow my to reflect any roasts back to you

[@justinbowman1342]

As yes, the perfect 90s insult.

[@boopity1727]

Did JWittz just roast my mom?

[@GamingWarlord64]

Thank you my mom must be healthy

[@Miiias]

I appreciate this compliment, thank you

[@zeskgames7510]

The 2012 Meta: We did it! We finally got rid of Wailord! Wailord: Impressive, looks like I’ll have to use at least 2% of my power for this one

[@cocoearmuffs6207]

I'll be back back - Wailord 2027:.......600 hp...

[@alexau9657]

Me holding on to my fake 6000 HP Torchic: Weaklings.

[@yourlocalraccoondealer8611]

This reminds me of the Mr. Mime card from the early days that wasn't allowed to take more than 20 damage in a single attack. Kinda works the opposite of the power creep: it can't be touched by all these new cards for the most part and it's quite entertaining.

[@vDeadbolt]

That's true. Mr. Mime was considered an Anti-Meta card. Their only purpose is to take down the top decks since they are exploiting their strengths and making them into their weaknesses.

[@CoralReaper707]

Man, that Mr. mime card aged like fine wine. Makes me wish a Shedinja card was printed in a similar vain to that.

[@CaptinHavoc1]

"This is the most insane power creep I've ever seen in a card game!" *laughs in Yugioh*

[@Gugnar678]

I was just gonna say. That power creep is at least 10 times bigger

[@CaptinHavoc1]

@@Gugnar678 Remember how Stardust Dragon used to have some of the best negation in the game? How times have changed

[@Gugnar678]

@@CaptinHavoc1 remember how black luster soldier envoy of beginning was banned until 2011, after that it became limited. Now its unlimited.

[@DukeApples]

Yugioh had been implementing mechanics that slow and limit the game...its not as explosive as 2015 ygo

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

2013 to now has been a huge spike in power, but you're insane if you dont think the one-of must-include spell and trap cards weren't insane power cards even by today's standards. Graceful Charity, Painful Choice, Forceful Sentry, etc. are STILL banned for good reason

[@Number_27]

0:54 Cowering in fear? I thought Zekrom was laughing maniacally and Pikachu was working out.

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Zekrom is laughing.

[@PeterGriffin11]

Wtf is Pikachu doing?

[@DirtyFishy]

Shaking his arse. You know, for moral support...

[@DeknasAnimated]

@@PeterGriffin11 looks like he's doing push ups

[@scythermantis]

I used to remember when Scyther with 70 HP and free retreats was considered OP...

[@gnammyhamster9554]

Well, it was OP

[@donjohnston1536]

GnammyHamster kind of

[@trejon-graceshopkinzmake5186]

Now there are normal cards of Pikachu with that much

[@Gabu_]

Free retreat is still really good.

[@rohannambiar6564]

@@Gabu_ yeah

[@laslosermcuseless1574]

The bootleg cards with ridiculous hp have become reality. The inflation oh no.

[@TrianglePants]

the eventual death of the game good riddance to the powercreep

[@jake_watch8276]

I had few bootleg cards with HP of 1000-10,000

[@niqchus]

I remember seeing 10,000 hp flareon card once. I laughed

[@jake_watch8276]

@@niqchus I even used one in a battle with my friend it was an Aurorus card with 3000 HP and theny friend raged quit

[@GoldLink364]

I had a 1000 hp nidoking once

[@WarmLillie]

Pokémon ex -> X -> EX -> MEX -> Break -> GX -> GX Tag Team-> V ? Idk Will the next one after that be Vrains.

[@SJrad]

VX?

[@BabbleCacophony]

You forgot tag team GX

[@WarmLillie]

Supgamer It a possibly

[@WarmLillie]

Dippy Fresh Oh right!!!!

[@crocodileman94]

What about 5X's?

[@ZorroStyleX]

One day we gonna hit 1000 HP Cards with all Legendary Pokemons of their regions combined in one Picture

[@JonnySpec]

I wonder if it'll be printed as 1000 HP or 1K HP And then before you know it, we'll have cards with trillions of HP.

[@hexzyle]

Pokemon EXpanded Universe

[@Diabl0Mask]

One day we'll have cards too overpowered that you win all prizes when you take them down, and it'll be a one on one battle between two pokemon and a bunch of support.

[@kellenoconnor4396]

@@Diabl0Mask honestly I think that could be interesting. basically a boss pokemon that is massive, deals a ton of damage, but it's basically game over if it goes down

[@Diabl0Mask]

@@kellenoconnor4396 It'd break the game though.

[@mastermindcow6210]

Power Creep? Nah, it's Power Sprint.

[@johnnyboi331]

it feels like a sprint for new players. for us older players its been decades of wailord and chansey dominance.

[@GeneralNickles]

Have you ever played competitive Yu-Gi-Oh? At least 5 different times in the last 20 years a single set release has changed the entire face of the game. Making everything released before totally irrelevant. And this is in a game with no set rotation.

[@chrishansen1842]

@@GeneralNickles yep

[@lancelindlelee7256]

Well, this is in a mobile gacha game. On release, 6k damage on a single turn was only achievable in 1 turn by 1 character that required setup and had serious weaknesses. Current meta, 1.5years later. 30k in a turn can be done by a few characters and those who can't do above 20k is useless. JP server, about 8 months ahead have some that can do 100k and above. The game is generous with free stuff and they buff old units though so it's possible to keep up as a free player

[@CoDMW2killa98]

It was a creep for a while and now it’s not imo

[@federicovolpe3389]

The most infuriating thing is that Pokémon has massive powercreep EVEN with rotating sets... like wtf, the whole point of rotating sets is to keep the meta fresh without powercreeping.

[@Blah3210]

Wizards of the Coast understood that back when they were in control. Imagine how different the game would be today if they still were.

[@motti6569]

@@Blah3210 To be fair, most historical competitive players actually prefer the early post WOTC era formats over anything of the WOTC era. Historic players like Ross Cawthon, the Hills, Sami, etc. all are pretty unanimous in saying that WOTC actually wasn't the best era of the card game. Common consensus is that GOAT format for pokemon is like the 2006 format. Not to say they are the biggest fans of some of the newer eras, but at least early on PCL got things right

[@Blah3210]

Motti I’d agree with that. Early on PCL did get it right. With the onset of Gen 5 however things went off the rails. Their entire approach to the card game changed.

[@Bedhead13]

Too be fair it only reduces it, and compared to Konami and the hundreds of dead card games they're doing really well in the power creep area

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

Yugioh wannabe

[@Fawriel]

This reminds me of two things. 1: That OG Charizard card pissed me off so much back then. 2: The one thing I love about the card game is that it can take a victim of Gamefreak's incompetence like Wailord and make it actually _big._

[@avatargir8006]

In the future: Pidgey and caterpie. 1,000 hp.

[@BagelJuice23]

AvatarGir if this doesn’t happen I’m suing you

[@lightningcreates1271]

Magikarp: 15,000 hp

[@SansDiamond]

Magikarp - Legendary

[@pppoopoo1232]

Caterpie- 5000000000000000000$

[@crayon4486]

@@BagelJuice23 It's been 5 months in the future, I think it's time to sue

[@xxdantheman1681]

Remember when these HP numbers were on those fake cards... *NOT ANYMORE*

[@rampant9358]

@@tomgreenwald6112 give it a couple more years, we're getting there

[@SpookySquid14]

r ampant can’t wait to have my 9087 hp stunfisk.

[@crustman5982]

Good ol jigglybutt

[@thecountercounter9127]

I have, in my room right now, a 50000 hp haxorus. I cant believe theres a pokemon that can time travel that isnt legendary!

[@AlfLM2]

I got a 76000 hp piplip

[@JMRM4]

Any Pokemon TCG: **has high HP** Wailord: You dare oppose me, mortal?

[@greenshrex7532]

Theres only one tcg since tcg mean trading card game

[@MDLuffy1234YT]

HP hard cap: *rises by 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 points* Wailord: and I took that personally

[@mogi4587]

That ending legit made me laugh

[@sempai2055]

The Imakuni song from the old Pokemon Gameboy Color set me back.

[@AaronTsuii]

The 330 HP card is just Wailord & Chansey V-Team or something.

[@Alejandro-er7rp]

Aaron probably

[@MrGhosta5]

it's got to be a dynamax wailord as dynamax is the new mechanic of sword and shield.

[@markmcgehee3864]

No it’s just WAILORD EX AND WAILLORD GX

[@kingv-raptor840]

I'm calling it Dynamax Wailord or Chansey will be 420 hp

[@earendilthemariner5546]

Magikarp and wailord tag team already has 300. Not sure why 30 extra is that big of deal

[@christianboustani8284]

When I was 10, my best card was Blaziken ex with 150 HP I would have never imagined a card could ever have DOUBLE that.... Let alone be Magikarp...

[@Shadow-rz5pb]

(Laughing)

[@Halleretta]

Magikarp gave wailord 50 more HP

[@funkymonkey981]

When i was 10, we didnt had no Blaziken lol. No 3rd Gen Pokemon was out there. Feeling old now....

[@Diabl0Mask]

Magikarp is probably less than 10% of that HP though.

[@Shotzfired30]

That V card looking down upon Zekrom and Pikachu: _”Pathetic...”_

[@Comic3665]

@Luke yeet how would you know that

[@enderex1653]

@@Comic3665 easy, he came from the future... dun dun duuuuun!!!

[@SmaMan]

It's Reshiram and JustinRPG.

[@AM22Salabok]

o kawaii koto.

[@doctordogger4121]

Imagine it being a jumbo card

[@smshMrDr]

Thats nothing, my wurmple card has 120000hp I bought it from the local chinese store so its legit

[@melodywawichi802]

sm4sh Mr. Dr My Chansey card has 400,000 HP. Weird...

[@smshMrDr]

@@melodywawichi802 my wurmple can beat your chansey because it has shadow punch for 350,000,000

[@TheDragonSeb]

My magicarp's revenge attack does 1 000 000 000 damage

[@AzguardMike]

i LOVE poke'mon. Agumon is my favorate.

[@icouldntcomeupwithanorigin2688]

I stilk have my pack of 300000 HP bootleg Starlys 😂 step it up, peons

[@Used__Napkin]

It bummed me out when I started casually collecting cards that base Mewtwo had 60 HP, while I also had a Kirlia with 70 HP.

[@arnelarenas1833]

Used Napkin XD wow

[@177SCmaro]

I never understood how, in the original card game, Charizard was the most powerful and Mewtwo was laughably mediocre. Did whoever made the card game ever even play the game on gameboy?

[@nielsvangeel6652]

indeed, I never understood this either, does anyone know?? this has always bothered me...

[@madhatten00]

@@nielsvangeel6652 cause it's not an evolved pokemon in the og card game, basics only maxed out at 60-70 they didn't want you to draw 1 card and basically win the game; but now it's like oh i just drew my tag team boy; gg

[@toot1231]

Some cards like base set and fossil I remember had levels of the Pokémon on them which would explain the high or low hp

[@saali6860]

‘’V Pokémon rule: When this Pokémon is knocked out, your opponent takes 7 price cards’’

[@poketdoom]

Its 2 actually

[@averagechannelname9969]

@@poketdoom I'm afraid of calling this a whoosh

[@DUMBDUDEGAMER]

@@averagechannelname9969 Wooooosh. There. I did it for you. :)

[@gaburaisuknakrack4620]

"When this pokemon is knocked out, your opponent can take a card out of your wallet"

[@quintonneal2881]

Gaburaisu Knakrack XD

[@Madslav398]

Pokétubers complaining about powercreep Yugitubers: First time?

[@rafawillians7712]

ROFL

[@victortalons6873]

Me in 2005: Ugggh, I got OTKed by a cyber twin dragon power bond player. How is that even balanced? Me in 2008: Uuuuuugh Gladbeasts are such a pain: I can't bottomless the bestiari and then they always go into gyzarus. I can't play any backrow and can't reach my torrential because it's limited how is this fair? Me in 2017: Why is zoodiac allowed to outright destroy my stuff before I can even use it? And how am I supposed to get past master peace?! Me in 2018: Oh good! Another Firewall FTK! Remember when going second didn't mean outright losing before even drawing?! Me in 2019: STOP! STOP! You have 3 negates on board already! I concede! *continues putting more negates on board* Me staring at the framed picture of nibiru: Sooooooooooon!

[@nickramos4012]

Mtg youtubers: power creep? 😆 we were broken from the beginning.

[@Saixjacket]

I'm Hungry you are the goat for that comment lmaoooo edit: the yugioh players in this thread are probably smarter than the ones on actual yugi content.

[@xgaming6609]

@@victortalons6873 3 negates would be less difficult if they didn't esclude the God, Maxx C from the game

[@LihoShammy]

(Magic the Gathering laughing) (Yu-gi-oh laughing even harder) (Hearthstone furiously taking notes) (Artifact is still dead)

[@antonioterra5436]

I don't really agree with the MTG part. My 2006 deck would still be competitive today (in fact, with Ravnica returning there is a very similar one being played in the online game right now). However, good luck being competitive with a 2006 Pokemon deck today.

[@nemou4985]

@@antonioterra5436 your 2006 deck woudnt be competitive on modern

[@Cinomod6066]

@@nemou4985 you could play blue green infect like I do in modern that's a tier 2 deck that can best anything in 1 turn and its at least 8 almost 9 years old now give or take. Their point is there are many many many old cards in mtg that are very useable and very viable in alot of formats. Compared to yugioh or pokemon where older cards are literally useless (more so in pokemon) mtg power creep has been slowed and managed very well.

[@anon2447]

@@antonioterra5436 that's what i think as well, why even have rotations if you're gonna powercreep the beejesus out of things anyways, let me play my Mega-gardy EX deck from back in the day again, it isnt beating anything rn anyways.

[@hoodedman6579]

@@Cinomod6066 Yugioh is really, really bizarre in that many older cards still commonly see play, but large chunks go by the wayside. Any halfway decent deck could you receive like 2 cards and become viable in an instant if Konami wanted to do that, and even bad decks can become viable. In general, archetypes almost never become completely powercrept, with most getting periodic support forever if they're popular enough. It's rarely meta-relevant but on a casual level Ghosttricks or the like are still perfectly playable. Staple cards are more likely to get powercrept though; something like Effect Veiler just isn't as good as Infinite Impermanence in most situations. However, even then there's enough differences to sometimes want to use her instead, as being a level 1 light tuner with 0/0 stats actually has a lot of potential. It's kind of impressive how they sometimes make cards that are largely better but not objectively so; Twin Twisters is Mystical Space Typhoon*2 but with a discard cost, which makes it better in most situations but not all.

[@aidancap2]

I've been getting progressively worried about the card health. It used to be that 200+ HP was a rarity, but now it's fairly common

[@letsgetsomeshoes1239]

It used to be that those 200+ HP cards had some sort of drawback or were hard to use/put on the board. now it's just, play a basic card with 300 HP and there ya go lol, have fun! idk, seems like they're letting power creep get a little out of control.

[@syNM94]

Yeah, this thing tho is that these cards give more prizes. Non-EX decks are still viable since they only give one prize per monster, and some decks are way too creative and good without any big cards. So, I've liked the HP creep since if you figure how to knock them out, you really have a blast at winning,.

[@evanweaver3152]

I remember when Salamance Ex was crazy with 160 hp - and Wailord Ex had the highest with 200 hp

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

@@letsgetsomeshoes1239 they still have a draw back, as knocking out one takes half you overall health basically, take out two and it's game over.

[@rileybender3655]

The meta right now has 4-5 tier 1 decks, and a wide base of tier 2 decks. It's actually in a very healthy place.

[@jhozan]

Their ultimate goal is to create an Exeggutor card with 420 HP.

[@pegasoz1024]

Too bad we can't get pokemon with an HP that doesn't end with 0, *I WANTED THAT 69 HP TENTACRUEL*

[@apiphobixl8228]

Blazekin would be better

[@THRASH3RZz]

you mean oddish & galarian weezing tag team

[@iamlittlepon9548]

I hate the fact I read this

[@athath2010]

@@pegasoz1024 Just wait until the power creep gets to the point that Tentacruel can have 690 HP.

[@AmeliaOak]

It bothered me when I was older and wanted to get back into the game and none of my cards were any good anymore

[@treasuremage7546]

A lot of the trainers should still be pretty good.

[@johnlowe1255]

play mr mime, new mons can't touchem lol

[@keyonj8815]

I didn't see Zekrom and Pikachu cowering in fear in the trailer when I first saw it. That makes it kinda hilarious

[@EeveeShadowBacon]

The year is 2030. Nintendo just release the latest pack of Pokemon cards. It has 1000 hp and each attack does at least 400 damage It give you opponent all their prize cards if it's defeated and yes... It's a wailord

[@redring4083]

*Pokémon Company. Nintendo don't make anything related to Pokémon.

[@aidenbar511]

The year is 3000. The Pokemon Company has released a brand new pack of cards costing more than a house. The cards can not be knocked out and do 1000 damage for each time you have breathed in your lifetime. Yes.... it’s a wailord.

[@roycohen9627]

*2021

[@cutecommie]

You need to specify how much energy that 400 attack requires. I think 2 might be a bit too expensive, so I'm guessing 1.

[@EeveeShadowBacon]

@@cutecommie 0. The other attack that does 600+ 100 for each energy attached need 1 thou

[@carmeloildefonso8342]

If I'm being perfectly honest here, having followed the game since the beginning, I think having higher HP levels has actually helped to balance the game out in a lot of ways. In grade school, these games could last for hours on end, because everyone who ended up having to face the one kid in school with a Charizard or a Chansey would lose every game because they'd be next to impossible to knock out in time to develop a saving strategy. The higher attack power and base HP stats have really helped to speed the game up a lot, and I think that a few of the issues Nintendo addressed when they took the game back from WotC have a lot to do with that.

[@SIowpoke]

I want to see the day a pokemon card has 1000HP and opponent gets 6 prize cards for defeating it. Edit: Hah, not really, but it is going to happen, probably.

[@rcube33]

8 Prize cards? Haha both players just lose prize cards?

[@IridescentKySoul]

Still waiting for the day that a Pokemoncard defeats my BlueEyes White Dragon with 3k Attack

[@cutecommie]

It is going to happen.

[@343GuiltyBlaze]

The Pokemon TCG went from One Piece power creep to Dragonball Super power creep real fast

[@gattomeccanico6943]

@Empor ! that's the joke

[@Chrono_Mitsurugi]

@Empor ! r/whoosh

[@Goretantath]

The only pokemon card i NEED is that wailord magikarp duo, not due to its hp, but cause the premise of it just ticks all my boxes, setting off the biggest smile my face can make xd

[@duality6783]

Ik a pokemon that can beat all pokemon...... cyber end dragon

[@carlosc8329]

10 years from now they'll have a chance to fight against yugioh cards

[@TaIathar]

Thousand-Eyes Idol would like a word with you.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

Bruh 1 yugioh card can break the game

[@astral7950]

Yu-Gi-Oh will just keep improving to. Stupid

[@lilwewe_9038]

Xx_Timothy_xX r/whoosh

[@astral7950]

@@lilwewe_9038 shut up stupid. No way Pokemon cards can match yu gi oh it's a whole another thing, stupid piece of crap

[@AJKungFuu]

Can't wait for a 400HP dunsparce card in 2027.

[@crayolarat5709]

Haha I have a 400hp metapod misprint card

[@BidenGD]

@@crayolarat5709 no joke that probably worth over 150 bucks

[@crayolarat5709]

@@BidenGD its from HG&SS so i guess

[@dabby3803]

There is a real 500hp card

[@chasedunleavy3688]

It will likely be 575 or 600 by then

[@harley2938]

Also worth mentioning is that this applies to the weak cards as well. Regular Pikachus have 70 HP now.

[@Random_dud31]

I don't even play tgc pokemon and i find this interesting

[@furgel7717]

Same. Though I have experienced powercreep in Hearthstone.

[@ButtTrauma]

I love hearing about other games in this fashion.

[@MegaLezaford]

those game are made to make money, and only money. So they just need to keep adding new and better card to force people to buy them and people are ok with it, juding by the amount of people playing pokemon card game , yu-gi-oh , etc

[@tryhardf844]

@@MegaLezaford But these buffs are just unfair

[@saffakanera]

I don't even watch KZbin, but find this comment interesting.

[@olly87]

JWittz: Makes a subtle brag about finishing t8 at Worlds 2011 The comments: OMG Shadow Lugia?!!?

[@Shadow-rz5pb]

Pikachu (Pokemon): "I'm getting stronger every day" Kuriboh (Yugioh): "You still have another 5 years before you can touch me mouse boy"

[@Draconian.]

I wonder if there are more Pokémon that are the crippled copy of Pikachu, or more types of Kuriboh

[@abmutes3533]

Finally, I can lose my v card playing Pokémon tcg

[@ImVeryBrad]

😂🤣

[@rosilinathedragon4382]

This made me laugh way more than it should've. Seriously, I'm not even kidding. Here, take some cheap gold for your troubles since gilding is only really on Reddit. 🏅

[@TaIathar]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hellodarknessmyoldfriend8682]

ABmutes bro you jut predicted the future

[@nooterzootercrooter5105]

ChandSlam 2436 0019 1049 2061 is my hp and my attack is 637. Take that weakling

[@capgangchannel6309]

I remember when used to regard 150hp as amazingly high and super rare. But now its just nothing.

[@hotcharizard874]

You forgot this card: Zoroark and legendary pokemon. it has 500 hp

[@canakman07]

Isn't that a jumbo

[@kizuna2225]

@@canakman07 Yes but it should have gotten at least a mention.

[@cookii.8369]

I have a Jumbo Raikou, Entei and Suicune with 500HP that does 1000 damage

[@Eragonnogare]

At this rate, the stats on pokemon cards will reach the levels of the numbers on YuGiOh cards by gen 9 or 10.

[@jamuellasmith290]

Eragonnogare imagine yu gi oh at that many years later

[@Eragonnogare]

@@jamuellasmith290 Well, the power creep in YuGiOh is mostly in the effectiveness of card effects, especially in protection against destruction type effects, and also a general increase in complexity. The actual numbers on the cards haven't increased that much over time since the goal is to deal damage to the opponent's pool of life points rather then defeat enemy monsters, this meaning that if they kept raising attack points then the game would become unbalanced much more easily since the goal amount of damage to do stays the same, unlike in pokemon where defeating the other monsters is the only real main goal.

[@mad-dash6448]

Eragonnogare I don’t think he was talking about star numbers. Just how much that game will have evolved during that time period.

[@rareram]

I remember having house rules for paying Yu-Gi-Oh monsters in Pokemon, or Pokemon in yogioh... Huh, now we wouldn't need the house rules

[@spacejunk2186]

Can't wait for the time we count the HP in powers of ten.

[@ragingma5ter994]

6:37 All this mega nonsense got Wailord Mega mad. I love this.

[@Malicious_Hero]

Eventually were gonna get some Yu-Gi-Oh numbers up in here.

[@renmojito6796]

Black eyes chard dragon! BLAST BURN!

[@runningoncylinders3829]

They've already powercrept the all-powerful Mokey Mokey! What's next? Flame Viper??!

[@Madslav398]

Awwwwwwww cute unaware of YGO power creep

[@runningoncylinders3829]

@@Madslav398 It's really always been more about the Effects than the stats. If a Yugioh card has a certain protection or negation effect and is consistently easy to bring onto the field, then it'll powercreep world-beaters instantly.

[@Badman903]

If only you knew

[@keystone5750]

Imagine if the 330HP card is a tournament legal Shadow Lugia. Not only would the be really cool, but it would also be the first reference to the Orre games in a long time.

[@FirstNameLastName-qr4ic]

HECK YES

[@Magitek1112]

Didn't they bring Shadow Pokemon into Pokemon Go..sort of?

[@keystone5750]

Magitek1112 nah, no shadow moves or overpowered type advantages.

[@Swolecoffee]

Since this came out 3 years ago, here's an update on hp creep since then. Pokemon V go from 190-230 standard. Pokemon Vstar, the evolutions that don't give a third prize are roughly 270-290 Pokemon Vmax, which give three prizes is generally between 310-340 The revealed new ex (lowercase, with silver letters) cards are evolving pokemon again, with... actually no more hp creep yet, in the sense that they haven't shown a way to evolve past stage 2, and those pokemon have the same range as Vmax pokemon

[@Apocralyph]

I remember Pooka talking about this when pokemon still had 100 HP less than they do now. Some things just never change.

[@tanimhaque1728]

OMG POOKA 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@goofballjim6167]

The day Chansey learns how to breath underwater is the day Wailord/Chansey will break the hp bar forever Edit:the growth of this comment surprised me.

[@tomtinker8220]

can't chansey learn surf?

[@goofballjim6167]

Tom Tinker but she cant learn dive my friend. Once she learns that we will truly have something to worry about

[@tomtinker8220]

@@goofballjim6167 curses, foiled again.

[@thefourthdimension2915]

GoofBall Jim ,

[@ricefarmer8553]

@@thefourthdimension2915 ,

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

this reminds me of my time back then in grade 1 where we had a game where you win by having a lower hp pokemon card than your opponent. the lowest i've seen was a magikarp with 20-40 hp

[@poissonmulti-taches2742]

Now Magikarp have 2,000 hp witch is mediocre .

[@thepiemaster477]

So in the 10 years from 2010 to 2020, the highest hp card went from 120HP for a basic card to 330HP. That's insane.

[@WillieRayPR]

We don't know if that V-card is a basic. I'm guessing it's a VMAX card that was leaked in one of the V legendaries' abilities

[@EvilApple567]

V Pokemon are almost certainly Dynamax/Gigantamax and won't be basics, probably more like Breaks. Also the basics now that have 200+ give up 3 prizes instead of one.

[@agavechillar3868]

Ten years is a long time though. And 23 or what the total lifespan is up to now is (obviously) even longer. Would be near impossible to keep interest up without some kind of evolution of the game that would make older cards less useful.

[@幽霊船-o4h]

Honestly at some point prize cards with these heavy hitters dont matter anymore. Sure you get 3 cards but what if the opponeet only plays one ttgx? You still have 2 more gx to knock out to win which makes the ttgx equal to gx in prices

[@huyvuminh1048]

put in the context man the max Hp go from 200-ish of 2017 and now maybe 330 at least tht 100 hp in 2 year

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

FINALLY, someone brings this up. I thought I was the only one who thought this!

[@Asdayasman]

Hard agree. It always annoyed me how the cards I grew up with are complete garbage now because TPC doesn't understand how to run a TCG.

[@AZ-zz4kn]

Yeah now it’s like who can have the best GX cards.I feel like EX were pretty balanced back then

[@CybeastID]

No, me too. It's actually disgusting, you compare old cards with new ones and it's a no contest power-wise.

[@PKMNwater]

Have you not seen the comments to the reveal/teaser video?!?!

[@rafawillians7712]

Unfortunately the ptcg community claims too little about this and have no idea how this can make a huge damage in the game itself.

[@steegen101]

"fITTY DOLLA BILLZ" was such an old JWittz thing to say

[@OosanqoO]

that card is obviously gigantamax wailord

[@jiantatil937]

*ends up being Shedinja somehow*

[@HyperSuperSora]

Well now that we've seen who tank the most damage, how about we see who can dish the most damage?

[@alfredkruse1517]

I’d love to see that!

[@zzeroara9511]

Slowpoke and Psyduck TAG TEAM.

[@alphu5]

Most of Tag Team GX are both tank and huge damage dealers. It should have at least 4 prize

[@zzeroara9511]

@@alphu5 No! You clearly don't play the game!

[@so0meone]

@@alphu5 That would accomplish nothing seeing as it remains 2 KOs to win the game. All it really does is enable sniping GXs for game, which is a fairly niche situation.

[@nin10doadict]

Meanwhile in 2030: "Hey remember when Pokemon cards had less than 5 digit HP? Lulz"

[@C0L3Y]

Ironically I decided to quit the TCG today, then I see this video... The power creep was one of the reasons. Not only is HP getting bigger but the sets themselves are too.

[@rcube33]

I quit a long while ago... I hated how most triple evolutions are just bad to play because they're instantly outclassed by EXs. Triple evos were just delegated to merely supporting EXs and that just rubbed me the wrong way. Everything I've seen since then reinforces that sentiment

[@KCzz15]

The TCG was mildly fun back in 2011, before Next Destinies. EXs ruined everything though. I'd also be equally happy with the original 3 base sets and some promo cards, why change what works just fine?

[@C0L3Y]

@@KCzz15 Actually when Jwittz was talking about the old cards my first thought was wishing I was playing back then. The art was incredible. I've played old worlds formats with a friend and it was very evolution heavy, unlike now.

[@rainstarsworld9429]

Yeah. What's the point of even having evolution to get stronger mons when you can just slap down an absurdly powerful card down turn one? Poor dudes need to have a busted ability for even the chance of being viable.

[@darko-man8549]

it's why I am thinking about giving up, but then I see the art and see new cards and just want to try new strategies. But yeah, stage 2s just useless and it's horrible. It's just like "what is the f***** point in having these cards" and the larger sets making everything harder to get is so sneaky

[@AceUzumazi]

That Zekrom looks like he's laughing "haaha HaHaHa HAHAHAHAHA! The fools actually did it! AHHAHAHAHA!" Pikachu:"Dude you okay?" Zekrom: "WHAT DO YOU THINK!" Pikachu: Uhh

[@RaineBans]

me who just started playing tcg with 340 hp cards. remind me of this post years later when its been long enough i forgot i posted this AND its been beat again

[@patrickdees5256]

Pokemon TCG: this is 120 hp. This is one level above 120. And this.... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!

[@Devil-Speed8]

I love ur comment omg. But please edit go even further beyond.

[@patrickdees5256]

@@Devil-Speed8 is that better?

[@Devil-Speed8]

@@patrickdees5256 now thats a classic meme. Thanks it was bothering me a bit

[@redking36]

This is my 120 hp, my regular form. This is my 120 hp 2. And this is what I like to call 120 hp above a 120 hp!

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Wailord is going Super Sayain

[@HeyStarzo]

Legendary/mythical Pokemon: I’m pretty sure I have the most hp. Wailord: well yes but actually no.

[@Justin163]

V Rattata: AMATEURS

[@ebeleingram8048]

Why was this so funny when I dont even know the context fully 😂

[@diorsaintx]

@@Justin163 V Pidgey: WHAT WAS THAT, PUNK!?

[@Camkitsune]

Before this even starts: Tag Team cards basically made me drop the game roughly three months after trying to get back into it via the online TCG. Tag Team cards especially are broken.

[@bransonallen2925]

I'm feeling this hard right now. I have a bunch of early SuMo decks that were GOOD back then that just aren't holding up at all. Even the things that take setup like my Necrozma + Metagross deck are all 2KOS now.

[@moncala7787]

It could be argued the HP totals on the cards are more closely tied to spectacle creep than true power creep.

[@幽霊船-o4h]

True only a habdful of ttgx are actually good and with those being especially good the rest is just for fun

[@mundane_in_the_membrane]

Yu-Gi-Oh's over here being the king of power creep since its inception

[@ultraatari9298]

Tristan R. Hearthstone wants to know your location

[@fakescorpion112]

YGO stats for "basic" cards are still ATK 2000, level 4 lower normal summon. This never changed.

[@TheBioshocksnake]

@@fakescorpion112 sure, but instead you got lv 4 monsters that bring out 2500 monsters when summoned. Seriously, if you cannot bring out three high level monsters with insane effects on turn 1 today, youre playing it wrong.

[@幽霊船-o4h]

@@fakescorpion112 yes the stats are more a less the same but the effects and combos get crazier everyyear and those are things you wouldnt understand if you just see one card in isolation. Also stats and atk stats are irrelevant these days

[@幽霊船-o4h]

@@fakescorpion112 also yea people dont normal summon anymore I mean the dont since the 5ds era with blackwings which was when? 10years ago?

[@abewalters8389]

Can’t wait to see how long it is until there’s a card so powerful, that you get 6 prize cards for knocking it out... or until we have to start increasing the prize card amount

[@americantimemachine7128]

The power creep in Pokemon is *ridiculous* for a card game that has set rotation.

[@Goblin_Hands]

They should just scrap it already. The best cards are by far the newest, so what difference does it make? Yugioh has it's casuals that use old cards, so should pokemon.

[@jwcrow]

@@Goblin_Hands a huge difference. Lots of cards from older sets are still more op than ones now. It would be a drastically different game if hypnotoxic laser, double dragon energy, etc were still legal

[@gizmoman2388]

@@Goblin_Hands in Yu-Gi-Oh not just casuals, either old Archetypes receive support or still are tier 2. For instance Frogs are viable to win majors right now (with Paleozoics)

[@Goblin_Hands]

@@gizmoman2388 Ok, not sure what your point is. They could make all old Pokemon cards legal and make support for them so they are Tier 2 as well.

[@Joker22593]

@@Goblin_Hands Sure, the Pokemon Power Creep, but the Trainer cards get worse. Old trainers with new Pokemon would be completely insane.

[@SamuelTheAdept]

*Pathetic* My Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon has 4500 atta- Oh wait wrong TCG

[@gespenst0083]

SamuelTheAdept, Remember when yugioh wasn’t a trading card game? Also I play vanguard now because there’s not that much bs.

[@SamuelTheAdept]

Yeah, I still play Yugioh but I rarely use XYZ, Synchro, Pendelum, Or Link monsters. I prefer to stay a little bit classic. But I see your point

[@GameBreaker1055]

Give me 20 minutes and I can summon and boost up 5 Monster to my field with higher Atk + mosto f them will negate all of your trap and spell cards whiel bein indestructable in combat.

[@ergoth154]

@@GameBreaker1055 Those types of decks rarely see tops as they usually hinge on going first plus drawing a really good opening hand. But yeah if your playing with your vanilla Dark Magician deck against them, you're gonna lose.

[@muhmonsta]

@@GameBreaker1055 and you have to double banish and your lp have to be under 2000 to banish that monster. Exept its monday and youre eating vanille pudding.

[@SomniaCE]

The Pokemon TCG had the opportunity to become a more interactive card game as time went on. The folks behind the game must think that interactivity would turn kids away though because the PTCG is probably the most "solitaire" esque card game on the market. I think even Yu-Gi-Oh with its hand traps offers more ways to interact with your opponent. I want to love the game, the rules and such are so cool and the mechanics are solid, but its so boring just having an RNG competition with your opponent to see who gets their Pokemon setup faster, and even then there are matches you lost at coin flip due to weakness

[@CortezaDeAbedul]

"There's no way going back to how things were" They should look at YGO and Speed Duels if they want to.

[@weaselprime2784]

Speed Duel isn't going to stay sane for long, if Duel Links is any sign of what's to come.

[@CortezaDeAbedul]

@@weaselprime2784 True, but let's enjoy it while ir lasts.

[@ZedUndSonstNichts]

I like the music in this one. The grandmasters' theme for Pokemon Trading Card Game is one of my favourite OSTs.

[@GaminSnake]

8:50 that’s why I prefer to play yugioh over pokemon. In yugioh cards that’s have been around since the beginning can randomly be meta and broken. You don’t have to buy new sets just make sure you follow the ban list

[@poissonmulti-taches2742]

Also pokémon cards aren't made to be mixed , each new set is a new card game .

[@pirateofthepotomac]

Soon we'll have 500HP cards that give up 6 prize cards when defeated.

[@ohhxcake5434]

A boss level

[@Roman-eb9jt]

I have cards like that, possibly print errors but my highest is a chancy with 740 hp

[@thexp905]

@@Roman-eb9jt Pft! So no Magnetite at 1000HP or a 1200HP Steelix that did 100 x H damage?

[@griffinmackenzie]

They already made a 500hp card lmao

[@hyperlynXXX]

"power creep"? This is more like _power leap_ ...

[@sune7482]

Next thing you know, we're gonna reach DBZ levels of damage and HP, where everything deals 500,000-1,500,000

[@pakiaki9775]

what are you talking about, i got a Lugia EX with 10,000 hp in like 2009

[@LenaArt24]

Sarcasm???

[@pakiaki9775]

Aleno :3 yeah it was a fake Pokémon card lmao

[@animaljamistlegomyago2361]

Lol i had one too it was called shadow Lugia or something

[@Akrna47]

I went to an expanded tournament this weekend. First tim I touched the TCG in like 5 years. Whe my opponent played a 250 hp pokemon with a 2 energy attack that did 180 dmg I felt silly with my garchomp stage 2 that had 140 hp. This game is getting out of control.

[@deadmaniac0472]

What was it? And what garchomp?

[@jwcrow]

The garchomp that just came outs still 150hp and is great lol

[@Akrna47]

The mach cut garchomp. But yea that's the point. The new one is great because of powercreep

[@deadmaniac0472]

@@Akrna47 in standard the new one is actually pretty bad.

[@angelmilk3112]

*when they add a jumbo card, no wait, they exist, there's more, a Jumbo gigantamax wailord card, but oh there's more, Jumbo gigantamax double team wailord card (2 wailords), we need more, Jumbo gigantamax totem swarm team wailord card with 2000 hp and 1000 damage, now that's true*

[@tesorosdetinkertown8310]

*NINTENDO WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*

[@ZeldaMasta]

Tesoros de Tinkertown no

[@cratedigga.mp3]

I remember when Wailord Ex came in the ex era with 200hp, which was insane, it used to be my favorite card as a kid because of the high HP lol.

[@saxman276]

I'd love to see a follow up video talking about the damage power creep.

[@Ziyoblader]

You knocked it out of the park at the end with that SpongeBob reference golden I laughed so hard unexpected and perfectly timed and fits so well

[@necromancermareful481]

And people say I'm crazy when I mention the crazy Hp growth of Pokemon TCG

[@SoGoodContent]

Wow this is fantastic, Im So Glad this Channel saw a revival and Im glad that you seen coverage of broader subjects and topics!

[@owb1129]

"this is one of the most insane cases of power creep I've ever seen" *Laughs in shudderwock and mecha-c'thun*

[@Miko0219]

shudderwock: my claws that catch, my jaws that bites me: *watches 10 mins of animation*

[@sigurdvickery3523]

*Hysterically pays -800 in Duelist Alliance format* But seriously, we went from Normal Summon Myrmeleo set 2 pass being meta defining, to going +3 with Shaddoll fusion with 1 set lol

[@strangeclaims]

@@sigurdvickery3523 no way traptrix were meta. Im not sure if this is a joke because even volcanics topped tournaments at one point though.

[@rexbluetry]

What's really crazy is someone at pokemon thought it would be a good idea to make a card that lets you attach two energy AND draw 3 cards and we saw how broken that can be at world's this year

[@ConnorGrummer]

Wait so it's a card that's a 0 card advantage card that puts Pokemon Lands (Magic player here) onto the board? Wat

[@rexbluetry]

@@ConnorGrummer yeah putting in mtg terms it would be like having a card that allowed you to play down two lands from your hand (not including the one land that you. Get per turn)and on top of that you get to draw 3 cards from the top of your deck

[@Icagel0]

This is kind of sad, the big draw from Pokémon to me is evolutions and the team aspect, it seems the TCG is really embracing the "clash of the titans" idea. also with 3 prizes being drawn it might as well be a Bo3 1v1 match.

[@TheTimon64]

I hear ya pal, loved the evolution aspect of it too. Now its just plop one basic OP pokemon down and fight. =(

[@CoralReaper707]

I remember when 250 base hp was considered enormous. *I wanna go back...* 😭

[@xXxdamonstaxXx]

You should make a Top 10 most broken cards in Pokemon TCG

[@thexp905]

@Galaspark God... Not Bill... *ANYTHING BUT BILL!!!*

[@MandrakeFernflower]

Sun Moon Team Up Charizard Roaring Resolve + Continuous Blaze Ball At least in TCGO

[@deadmaniac0472]

@@MandrakeFernflower lol no

[@Zanji1234]

i actually still don't know why this huge power creep in a game exists which has rotation O_o

[@Agreel]

Well, at least it's not as big as the one in YGO.

[@rafawillians7712]

Because TPC want us to buy permanentely their products. Their business vision is to force the customer to constantly buy the newer sets and not to play with older cards. Even thinking about Expanded, will be a time that we need to take out the older cards and play with the newer ones.

[@rafawillians7712]

Wizards of the Coast has learned from this problem far earlier this happened and, even with some issues, their design still makes older cards relevant, and Magic also have so many fun formats. This form os business is better and can make more money because they're not putting all the eggs in one basket and the community can become permanentely sticky with the game.

[@LaBambaMan]

The heath creep and having massive, final evolutions as basicsis probably my biggest gripe with the game. I like the idea of evolving stuff as you play, not just ploping down some roided up final evolution with no effort required.

[@linearmetroidvania888]

I’m playing the Pokémon card game for the GameBoy now and I gasped at the thumbnail

[@keatonkitsune4064]

Same for me also! Also now I want to go get some packs of the first set...

[@linearmetroidvania888]

Keaton Kitsune Me too, I really want to beat my friends in a game with my Dewgong.

[@kittenmitten9430]

@@linearmetroidvania888 Dewgong best boi in the Gameboy game! I had one in my deck all the way through to the end :)

[@linearmetroidvania888]

Kitten Mitten94 80 hp, 50 damage with 3 energies, in the first decks. Fair and balanced

[@kittenmitten9430]

Absolutely! As long as you can pull the right cards for him

[@Forever_Zero]

Jwittz talking about T H I C C cards but he never mencioned the Dark Magician Girl.... Ok, I'll go now

[@immortalsun]

9:07 Are we not gonna talk about that attack? 1,000 damage. Whoa.

[@dqpfjggisjgIdksorp]

I think Pikachu still has 40 HP, and zekrom 200hp. I mean... Logic maybe? But yeah, most of them are OP as fork!

[@AxelWedstar411]

Nah, that was 20 years ago. Pikachu's average HP is around 60 - 70 now.

[@dqpfjggisjgIdksorp]

@@AxelWedstar411 yeah, just theorizing. I think I actually have a Pikachu deep in my Dusty collection of Pokémon cards. I need to look at them again, they're pretty sweet!

[@cbbblue8348]

@@AxelWedstar411 Pikachu GX:"that's cute"

[@DrRank]

Back in my day, we only needed a bandicoot with 3 HP, and it started out with 1 until you got the right item!

[@Shonicss4]

Back in your day pokemon still came out before Crash lol

[@DrRank]

Not in America and Europe, it didn't!

[@batguy39]

I love that ma boi Zekrom is at least relevant regarding cards

[@cutecommie]

Pokémon TCG in 2025: Basic Arceus&Eevee&Zekrom&Reshiram&Dunsparce HP 500 1+ Energy - 250 Damage This attack deals 100 damage to each of your opponent's benched Pokémon for each additional energy on Arceus&Eevee&Zekrom&Reshiram&Dunsparce. When this OP team is knocked out, you opponent takes 6 prize cards (as if that even mattered).

[@MrJackets]

Back in 2022 we rebalanced to have 30 prize cards anyway

[@zacdredge3859]

The irony is that a Pokemon like Raticate(BC) would actually counter this.

[@hafraluskayharaa8569]

use raticate, hyper fang, it's a most strongest card ever. lol

[@UltimateVegetto]

And as in all Pokémon media, Gen 5 out-powercrept EVERYTHING.

[@FoxyPercival714]

I'm actually getting back into playing the TCG and wow have I missed a lot and yet scared I will never have a tournament good deck and will get SWARMED. Thank you for posting this....

[@jamesgyles2149]

Keep up the passion projects Josh! Love your content you’re passionate about! 😁