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@Markg4884 жыл бұрын
The Lawn Care Nut so if I’m doing a prodiamine and dithiopyr application would I still put down the speedzone? And if so how long after second application of produamine and dirhiopyr would I put the soeedzone down? Thanks for the help
@jasonoconnor80474 жыл бұрын
The Lawn Care Nut thank you for all of your videos they are fantastic sir. I live in Houston Texas and as you probably are aware our weather has been crazy as usual however I used milorganite in my front and back yard about two weeks ago and have started to see brief results do you think I got ahead of myself I just want to learn the begin and end times as far as fertilization for my yard and should I do this every 4 weeks and how much should I water usually I water three to four times a week any help would be greatly appreciated my name is Jason
@FaixRX4 жыл бұрын
When I try to open it says "this file was trashed by owner"
@boxertough404 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m from the northeast and I’m having issues with moss taking over my lawn. How should I do my early spring start up? Can I go straight to pre emergent and fert or should I try and get the moss up first ? Thank you
@davet86024 жыл бұрын
Man, that 28 mins was full of good info. Not sure I could find a better video with as much content in 28 mins than that! Thank you.
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
thanks bro! Glad you enjoyed it! 👊
@UnderATwilightSky3 жыл бұрын
Spring 21! Here for tips 🙌
@XXTechMoXXNew2 жыл бұрын
Spring 22!
@spontaneousexpress2 жыл бұрын
@@XXTechMoXXNew same here
@god9103 жыл бұрын
If literally a single company in my area was as passionate about taking care of my lawn as you are they’d be rich and I’d be watching. I should be thankful that they aren’t, because now I’m doing it and having a blast.
@rampartranger77493 жыл бұрын
In Colorado with Killer sun, Spring one week, 10 degrees the next , 50 degree daily swings very common, native “soil” is hardpan clay, takes forever to build it up, ......but then, ....and still, ....the mountains are beeeyutifull
@ehess14924 жыл бұрын
The clips from the church and Al’s house in Indiana takes me back to when I found his channel and started this obsession. Fond memories! Whenever I start nitpicking my lawn, I have to remember how happy that guy 4 years ago would have been with it. 👌
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks bro!
@smokestack97954 жыл бұрын
Eh Ess ....when I found the videos with Allen in that Church lawn, Milorganite was $9 a bag, jumped to $13 and today I saw Milorganite for $19 a bag at HD, new formulation and less lbs. My Lawn looks amazing but I have to make adjustments, I can’t justify that kind of price especially when taking care of 1/2 acre of lawn.
@grasswhisperer9564 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@burton158c4 жыл бұрын
@@smokestack9795 The price of milorganite is getting ridiculous. I'm in the same boat with almost a half acre.
@rafa1069003 жыл бұрын
@@burton158c I usually get it at Walmart, but checked on 2/28/21 $14 a bag
@melissatrbovic23184 жыл бұрын
This has been incredibly helpful for me. I cancelled our TruGreen services and I’ll be tackling it all myself. I’m so excited!!
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Have fun with it and enjoy the mow ! 👊
@AmazingAirshowVideos4 жыл бұрын
I remember when your first uploaded those church videos. They got me started in turning my lawn from weeds to striped grass.
@TxTop4 жыл бұрын
ArmyFtBall Beat Army!
@lesdaddy9124 жыл бұрын
When I first watched those Church lawn rehab videos all those years ago, I looked at my down trodden lawn and said, "If the LCN says I can do it, then I can." And I did. Thanks, man.
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
heck yes!
@Alexrae125L4 жыл бұрын
"a couple of two, tree nAHtches lower..." love how the Chicago accent just flows in and out like its nothing. Great video, yet again. Can't wait to get into the lawn and thrower down!
@1ronhall4 жыл бұрын
Alexander Rae Lol, my ears perked too
@Stephen-wh7vl4 жыл бұрын
Putting time stamps in the video is great putting them in the description with links thats 👌🤘👌
@adamreed17503 жыл бұрын
I use 28-03-10 on my Bermuda in Arkansas. It has 3% iron so it makes the lawn look amazing.
@yomammy134 жыл бұрын
Generally now I dethatch in mid August to help also get rid of POA trivialis and creeping bentgrass.
@BrendaEHenderson3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the Lawn Care Nut? I have learned so much and am much more involved in the care of our lawn now! My husband will ask me questions now! You just have to follow the recipe!!
@gary47384 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allyn. Loving the cool season attention! Learning a ton, much appreciation.
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
👊
@peterkizer61634 жыл бұрын
Here in Redmond WA, the moss that yelled at me last week is evidence enough that we had a mild winter (three days of snow, temps seldom below freezing, and never long). So, I've already thrown down Moss Out. And I really have to get my first cut in soon!
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
yeah you guys have the worst trouble with all that stuff. Challenges everywhere you go!
@connorlewis85474 жыл бұрын
I've done 4 spring lawn Reno's using 100% tall fescue of a single variety, no till. 100% success, take that alan
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Hoorah! Nice work 😄🔥🔥🔥
@bradleyrhoton3 жыл бұрын
I've heard you should not plant new grass seed and fertilize at the same time. Which should I do first? How long should I wait in between? When should I spread lime? I have 6,300 sq ft in Boston. Soil temp is 57 now. I ordered your 24-0-6 Flagship Bio-Nite fertilizer and it arrived. 1,000 sq ft will be new lawn planting for the first time. The rest has patchy grass (some sections less than 30% grass). I bought the property three years ago and did no treatment other than mow and water. I've dethatched twice and it looks much better. That helped take up dead grass and excess moss. There were too many mulched up leaves and other debris left over from the Fall. Any advise is appreciated. I love you videos!
@thecappy4 жыл бұрын
I bought a house in Pittsburgh suburbs last summer. Corner lot about 7000sqft of lawn. I'm a NYC native so this is very educational. Thank you.
@PutEmInTheBox4 жыл бұрын
Good deal. I am a beekeeper and I stress about what I put down and when. If I can I try and time my herbicide and grub apps when it will be cooler and less bees flying. At dusk before an overnight rain is perfect.
@paulminga43444 жыл бұрын
I listened to this while at work. Now I gotta watch it again at home so I can have my note pad handy! Lots os schooling going on. Awesome video.
@JifferRiffic4 жыл бұрын
Winter Saves our butts in MN. Last year I started getting crabgrass late in the summer because we removed Trees in our yard mid-summer, the shade for 30 years has thinned the grass so when sun hit it, of course, we got every empty grass spot full of crabgrass. Best part..... Winter came, killed all the crabgrass, then gave me a heads up on how to prepare for this year.
@qwadsmen4172 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting videos to help alot of people. im from southern oregon and winter for us is either really good or really nothing but either or its freezing. Iv worked on golf courses in the area for about 5 years and going, I know there a little different from a normal front yard. I am just trying to get the best ways and tips to make my yard look the best it can. Iv watched you for about a year now and have learned alot and thank you for your time
@averysmith43872 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your tips. These are helping me keep our turf athletic fields in shape in Michigan's Upper Peninsula....super short growing season, but awesome results using your tips!
@svfox3 жыл бұрын
I like the mower reviews. Event he riding ones I don't want because the weight of them would ruin my yard. Changing the blades is what I hate doing
@Jake-st5mm4 жыл бұрын
Best sit down and listen on lawn care that you've done in a while. Gets me focused.
@rickvanklaveren83594 жыл бұрын
Awesome awesome content! Must have stopped the video 20 times to scratch notes about my seasonal lawn care plan! Live in the South Bend area so I really appreciate the Crown Point example data.
@joseluis-vl6qh3 жыл бұрын
After watching this video, I can say am an expert on grass.. lol. Great info, just what I need to work on my lawn. Thank you!
@thehvachacker3 жыл бұрын
I put my seed down October 26 kgb. It took a few weeks and a couple frost and started growing. Buried in snow from end of December melting now and it kept growing under snow
@johnragozzino9433 жыл бұрын
Ive read a lot of conflicting information about your position on the NPK choices for spring fertilization. Assuming that a decent fertilization took place in the fall, would you not want to see a relatively lower N reading and a significantly higher P reading in order to facilitate more robust root system development rather than just getting a giant shot of top growth out of the grass this early in the season? Admittedly, I've yet to finish the whole video so perhaps this is a scenario specific choice, but either way I'd love to hear anyone else's opinion on this. Excellent content and thanks again for all the work you put into these videos, very helpful. Thanks!
@vmezick4 жыл бұрын
Northeast pa. My property is 2 acres of lawn i mow and on a hill so its tough to water. Mowing often and at 3.25in made a huge improvement over the last few years since i moved in. My problem is fert the entire property is so expensive. Never tried air8 so thanks for the tips im gonna give that a try on the rocky soil. Need to get the best bang for the buck while staying affordable
@SvenReigle4 жыл бұрын
Always love the vids. Here's an idea: Break up this massive video into a playlist, use YT search data via trends to determine which questions people are asking around each topic.
@peterkizer61634 жыл бұрын
Sven, while I am an avid YT user, I am no power user. Would you care to expand on "YT search data via trends"? Tnx.
@johnmininger74723 жыл бұрын
I live in Noblesville, IN and our 55 degree mark is pretty close to the same as Crown Point, tax time. In 2021, a weird year, we already reached 55 soil temps by the third week of March. Caught me off-guard and the air temps are going to stay well above 60 for most of this week before going down to the 50s. I skipped pre-emergent last year and paid the price with a real problem with crabgrass. Very concerned about this year, have not gotten the prodiamine down yet. Thanks to my program last year, my yard stayed green until mid-February and then greened up early March as the snow was melting away. It's beautiful. My neighbors yards are still pretty brown but that has its benefits and drawbacks. Had no choice except to mow this weekend (twice and down to 2 inches), at least 3 weeks earlier than usual. Might be too late for the prodiamine first pass but its going down this week with my fingers crossed.
@Idiotsincarshere4 жыл бұрын
As an alternative to all these chemicals, because kids, pets, overly concentred about chemicals, I tried white vinegar with a few drops of dish soap. I used Palmolive as a surfactant to help spread across the weeds, break surface tension, Palmolive contains lauryl polyglucose and Lauramidoproplyamine oxide as another surfactant. I have a lot of POA popping up this year especially. It worked pretty well! Weeds turned white within 1-2 days. I did 2 applications with a hair spray type bottle. Def buying a sprayer this year or next.. But just wanted to throw that out there!
@computerguy38122 жыл бұрын
wonderful choice of music.. sit back and learn sumn.. much appreciated
@here2watch4634 жыл бұрын
suggestion for those with dogs who really mess up the yard during rainy fall and wet winter? as far as seeding in s[ring, and dealing with large sections of basically mud?
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Dogs and trees, natural enemies to lawns. If your dogs tear it up that bad then perhaps one of the added expenses of owning a dog is to resod every year. Or go with synthetic turf. Grass just will not grow well on a playground. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you. 👊
@BurningButthole4 жыл бұрын
I agree with not seeding in spring no matter what the lawn looks like. If you get a bad infestation of crabgrass it will choke out your new grass and you will just have to seed that again in the fall. I learned that lesson the hard way.
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@aguyandhiscomputer4 жыл бұрын
Yup, spring - pre-emergent, fall - seed
@barrettsimmons82144 жыл бұрын
The Lawn Care Nut Can you spray tenacity prior to spring seeding? I don’t know from practice but isn’t it supposed to be grass seed safe after two weeks and only target weeds?
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
@@barrettsimmons8214 you can use Tenacity at the time of seeding and it will act as a pre-emergent for about 30 days but then you have some more timing to work out after that with other pre-emergents plus you cannot spray post emergent weed control on the stuff that escapes, plus, if you get a late freeze it will kill your seed plus... just too many reasons not to seed in spring.
@renardleterrible67914 жыл бұрын
haha I had my video muted for a min and you look like you are a DJ throwing down beats.... about doing basic dude stuff. I bought my first house three years ago and you really educated me and allowed my soil and grass to live again, love the passion you bring to the yard.
@MoparSmith13 жыл бұрын
At 10:36 I Scalped and power detached the heck out of my lawn on April 7th. And actually hoped half of it would die. And then reseeded with various elite varieties of kbg and a little rye.
@bangarang742 жыл бұрын
I scalped /power raked mine, best yard in the neighborhood now. (only starter fert so far) First time home owner, South Central South Dakota. - Also seeded, but the germination rate was disappointing
@markhammett50724 жыл бұрын
Great Vid Big Al........i did buy some Bayer grub killer that says its kills grubs with in 24hrs that worked really good.
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
yes that is a good one if you need the corrective kill for sure.
@berzerkus2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this information a lot. I've watched a lot of your videos and have come to some of my own conclusions. First and foremost, have a season (or 2) plan to get everything to my happy point. Second: Don't rush it, but don't wait either. And finally, enjoy the experience. It's gone from a chore to enjoyable as I've done more and more. We're nearly to the happy point with our lawn now. A few bare spots and leveling to do until I'm happy. But man, it's nice getting compliments.
@kentonquint86884 жыл бұрын
Many many years ago, the KMart gardener, on the radio, stated putting grass seed in the freezer over night would trick the seed so it thought it was coming out of winter.
@brianfolding404 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allyn, I'm in the transition zone (NC), and I started last September with rehabing my crappy yard with a blend of tall fescue and rye. I followed a lot of advice found on your channel and others. Since then, the grass has stayed dark green and pretty healthy. I maintained it with a winter fertilizer as well and you're right about our mild, almost non existent winter this year. My only complaint was not putting out enough grass seed so therefore there's some bare spots. I thought I might try overseeding with a top quality tall fescue this spring but after this video, I decided to wait till the fall for that. I've already put down a small bag of Humic DG (need a lot more), and follow your recommendations with pre emergent and then a good fert. I'll continue to enhance the soil and strengthen the fescue I have then overseed in the fall.
@jayq67674 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out Allyn. This is my reminder to start thinking about my lawn. Lookin at April to begin throwin er down in Algonquin, IL
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Over bye dare ! 😂
@d27mcccarty4 жыл бұрын
Like the old video clip that's where my journey started back in 2016. Watched all your videos that winter preparing for 2017.
@spoonfishing4 жыл бұрын
I'm sticking with refurbishing my lawn up here in the PNW this spring with Scotts products. If I did the fall program I'll have a kazillion leaves on my lawn in a soaked boggy soil. Leaves kill the lawn and I'm not getting rid of my trees to have the perfect lawn. I've tried the fall approach and it doesn't work for my lawn. I'm hoping the Scotts system to control crabgrass and promote turf buildup pays off for the summertime since I don't have an irrigation system for my 500 sqft lawn area. Yeah, that's what it's been reduced to over the years-1200 sqft down to 500 sqft and backing the edge off from the concrete sidewalk and driveway. Crossing my fingers with spring and Scotts. I'm new to all of this "treat your lawn like a member of the family" and the learning curve is climbing. Wish me luck.
@betsymobbs8648 Жыл бұрын
Re: the dethatcher, the GW model’s major advantage is the weight (30lbs maybe), it’s much more accessible/usable for one person to transport and use vs. a rental dethatcher that weighs hundreds of lbs.
@BriansLawnMaintenance4 жыл бұрын
I have a townhome, yet here I am 14 minutes in. 😂💪🔥 Super fun video pal.
@adamdouglas17294 жыл бұрын
So Brian is a Lawn Care Nut? Very cool.
@paddleduck53283 жыл бұрын
I finally got some sprinklers replaced and am starting to use the tuna can test. Much better to know now how much areas are getting.
@paddleduck53283 жыл бұрын
13:54
@markkaz45584 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Always love it when you throw in some old school footage.
@Me167683 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed it. The music makes me want to go to an Early Bird dinner.
@Swerve19824 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to those 50 lawn temps. Thanks Alan
@MagnumVideos4 жыл бұрын
We just built a new house. Lawn was sodded with KBG. Sod was placed right on top of the clay soil after final grading. Greened up quickly this spring. One half of the front lawn is dark green. The other half is a lighter more yellowish green. There is a definitely sharp line of demarcation where one sod stops and other begins, like they came off two different rolls of sod. Should I throw some high N fertilizer on the lighter side to make it match better? Newbie on lawn care here. Love your videos. (In KCMO) Thanks for any tips.
@gam1ngxk1ng64 жыл бұрын
How long between the pre emergent and nothing before I throw down fert?
@MrGeneWentworth4 жыл бұрын
Funny I lived in Tinley Park and Orland Park too. Now retired to Florida.
@lrc8165 ай бұрын
Very good stuff but some conflict. Early in video you mentioned aerating after pre emergent and most would aerate first. Later in video you mentioned power raking then pre emergent which i agree. Early you noted high nitrogen in spring then later mention lower nitrogen in spring.
@Tupelo7773 жыл бұрын
Man you were buff back in '13! Thank you so much for the video.
@ZenithClarity4 жыл бұрын
Big problem with new homes in midwest is they take out good soil and replace it with clay crap soil. The good soil is sold for major profits and people buy these new homes for 250,000 on up and end up with hard to manage yards. Hard to grow anything.
@paddleduck53283 жыл бұрын
3:50 video menu 👍
@Kiddro224 жыл бұрын
This is some golden ass info! Those are some very prominent towns you named in Illinois south of a Chicago. Wealthy to damn near rich ppl in those towns. You had some A1 contracts back then. Thanks for the info fam!
@Redwolf92944 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel! I love that you haven't forgot about us working guys up North and still give good information for cool season grass even though you live in the sunshine state.
@ms.c7468 Жыл бұрын
Yes I love the greenworks
@gwengreen56112 жыл бұрын
Spring 22! Here for tips 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@mrschwifty55644 жыл бұрын
Found a 22 inch bluebird on craigslist for $275 last season best lawn investment I have made in years.
@jaecruz71663 жыл бұрын
ALLYN is my grass sensei 🥋 THANK YOU
@loopba3 жыл бұрын
Mow, throw, spray, pray, restart.
@issaiahabeita21674 жыл бұрын
You should cover Pythium in one of your videos. Your experiences and how over watering or poor drainage can create perfect conditions for this disease that could wipe out your lawn.
@Leaann1114 жыл бұрын
Great advice! Because of you, my lawn looks much better.
@keithcorey55354 жыл бұрын
I bought the SunJoe dethatcher and it works well!
@zombie45694 жыл бұрын
Found Gordon's Speed Zone at Farm and Fleet in Northern Illinois. That stuff works great! Thanks for the awesome tips.
@MarkettaWalker2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allyn for sharing your expertise with us newbies, 😆 I love the music you use in the background as well. I live in the coastline of NC I have a lot of crabgrass, clovers and dandelions in my centipede grass, it's starting to get warm and I wanted to know do I use the 3-1 first or fertilizer? Right now my grass is looking very straw like in a lot of areas so I want to get a jump on things this year. I'm learning so much from your videos thanks again 🌳🎋🌲
@thomac1313 жыл бұрын
What grass seed would you recommend for Columbus, OH in mostly sun and high traffic of 5 very active kids? Thank you for your videos, I am learning sooo much!!!!!!
@npatel123453 жыл бұрын
I love watching and learning from your videos...give it coming..Thanks
@danielwyka54083 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and buy products from you - had to mention it's too funny I grew up in FL and couldn't take the heat anymore and moved to TN, and you moved from IN to FL
@DanielGFreeman4 жыл бұрын
so much info brah! just bought a house with a decent size lawn to care for with nice landscaping in Mooresville NC - zone 7b, got lots to learn about my fescue lawn and am grateful for you sharing your knowledge!
@mateuszzielinski28064 жыл бұрын
Nice need more videos on cool season turfs yes thanks al
@Jeretp614 жыл бұрын
Question regarding aeration in the spring vs air-8? I understood you to say you don’t recommend aeration in the spring, so why would I need the air-8 in the spring as you recommend in this video?
@peter973794 жыл бұрын
Man you make very good videos. Thanks for all the info. I just detach my lawn and apply pre emergent and i was about to trow seed but it looks like is no a good idea. I am ginna save that bag of seed for fall and apply high nitrogen fertilizer. I live in kansas city mo. Thanks again 😎🍺
@District_57_Toastmasters4 жыл бұрын
Thanks - in NorCal transition zone, had a good rake today and getting ready to throw down Milo and Prodiamine (0-0-7) on Monday. A little late, but had to find an alternate to Yard Mastery as the 50lbs bag was overkill for my 1200 sqft lawn.
@kennycooperkc4 жыл бұрын
Great knowledge as always. And maybe just a refresher course from year to year
@Tenpennycustoms49583 жыл бұрын
North east Wyoming just got more snow... soil still 38. Waiting for sunshine to dry out and mow. Looking at the pre emergent guide to apply once soil is warm.
@10Flat2 жыл бұрын
Q4 Plus is a fantastic herbicide
@stevenquinn86974 жыл бұрын
Found you last fall when I did my first aeration. Just bought my first Bio Stimulant Pack. You're amazing! Videos are awesome!
@dylan82854 жыл бұрын
I generally try to do a scalp in September or October on my cool season from summer hoc to a shorter fall / winter hoc
@tenmangaming3 жыл бұрын
I wish we had transitional grass info. I have tall fescue here in NC trying to follow these tips but most vids are for cool season
@tyrecelegans48834 жыл бұрын
A lot of great information! I appreciate your expertise and willingness to share your knowledge!
@MrColefaulkner3 жыл бұрын
Been watching your videos for a while now. Would like to see more recomendations on weed control products we can buy in the store and not online. For example is spectracide any good and scotts triple action weed n feed.
@danielstephens87104 жыл бұрын
What if you have a couple of big dogs that like to dig and eat the grass roots? Are there products and application timelines that are not a danger to your dogs?
@shane60024 жыл бұрын
Love the videos getting a little spring fever even though I'm under snow funny you should talk about speed zone l bought some T-Zone and will use as my weed control
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
good choice! spring will be here soon and you can spray it angry!! 😂
@FreedomRock444 жыл бұрын
Lastly thoughts on Corn Gluten for weed preventative. Ok done. hahaha!
@1emoryb1232 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allen.
@MrBubbajohnson13 жыл бұрын
I live in upstate NY. Can I control weeds on 1 1/2 acres with granular weed and feed only or do I also need liquid weed killer.Thanks Great channel!
@thecrepesoul3 жыл бұрын
This was very informative and prevented me from making a big mistake that I was on the verge of making. Question: if I apply pre-emergent in the spring (Buffalo,NY) when is a good time to apply seed to fix some pretty sizeable bare spots(only dirt there)? Thanks for all of your help!!
@Schw19474 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm glad I found it. I'm in NWI. Very helpful! 👌
@davidgonzales-ec8bo11 ай бұрын
You're a lawn genius!
@kamiifae4 жыл бұрын
Yay! Thanks for the video, very informative. I'm in the transitional zone of southern CA and it's hard to find good advice nowadays... everyone is going to a drought tolerant yard. :(
@pevelyhomeowner3274 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing, thanks Allyn! My bad Allyn not Allen.🥴
@smokestack97954 жыл бұрын
No more starter fertilizer for cool season grasses? Just regular fertilizer with high nitrogen content and pre-emergent?
@mbranche42344 жыл бұрын
Thank you Allyn ... I follow the cool lawn schedule and have a few questions... When can i put down grub prevention, before or after my pre-emergent application? Also, when should i put down the Speed Zone application for clover...before the 2nd application on pre- emergent? I don't know if the prodiamine will cancel the effectiveness of GrubEx and SpeedZone if I put them down weeks apart. Thank you!
@Thelawncarenut4 жыл бұрын
Grub Ex in mid spring. Speed Zone is a post emergent weed killer so you spray it on the clover once you see it. It will work VERY well on clover. The pre-emergent is not effected by the grub ex or by the speed zone. All separate apps that do not play together.