A Critique of Star Trek Discovery - Part Three

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Per the description, this is technically a very old video (80% of it completed in May last year), so it won’t be quite as slick as the more recent stuff. Uploaded for the sake of completeness.

[@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging]

Shut up you idiott

[@jeremywatson9129]

I'm going to use retardis in day to day life now. Just wanted to let you know that someone else would using your material.

[@zerohasnovalue1681]

Headin in a pig … mouth or arse?and it’s not only parasitic USA parasitic symbiosis 👎 this is not my James T Kirk it’s liberals swill💩🥱💨👻

[@zerohasnovalue1681]

It’s not that you have odd taste it’s taste in the classical sense… beautifully intelligently executed 👍❤️

[@jonchowe]

It's still cathartic though.

[@ANUNAKI187]

These videos are so infinitely more entertaining than watching Star Trek discovery.

[@DamienBlade]

Also, kinda make me wanna play Mass Effect again after the short clips of the Collectors.

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

Star Trek Deep Space Fe-Fe’s. Now with plot…..sort of

[@JoFa876]

A lot of these videos are better than the shows they react to, and review. It sort of shows what a sad state of affairs that TV/Hollywood is in, right now.

[@davfree9732]

STD - the show about a new licence that fooled the world in thinking it’s set in the same fictional universe as TOS to ENT. Spoiler… it’s not. When JJ created the Kelvin universe he tricked people into thinking it was an alternative to TOS’s timeline that he labelled Prime… Except JJ didn’t have the original licence to use anything from… let’s call it the Classic licence… including Leonard Nimoy’s Spock. And so JJ invented a second universe under the alt licence… the Prime Universe, that wasn’t based on the Classic Universe. How do we know this? The opening scene. That ship and those uniforms never existed as shown in TOS. Right from the start we see JJ’s Trek deviating from Classic making new things…. Except he didn’t have permission to use anything that wasn’t… 25% different. This includes Spock, who in the merch was identified as… Spock Prime, instead of just Spock. Why mention this? Because STD is based in JJ’s Prime universe, not the Classic universe. So there are three Trek universes. One, the Classic based on the Classic licence that spans TOS to ENT. Two, the Kelvin films, based on the alt licence that covers JJ’s films. Three, the actual Prime universe content of Secret Hideout, based on the Alt licence. Why is The Alt licence being used? Because if JJ uses designs from the Classic licence… he can’t monetise them. But he can make those designs 25% different and invent new designs under his licence where he controls who gets the merch money. So, the greatest magic trick in Trek. By Jeff Joseph Abrams. The richest snake oil salesman in Hollywood via what he is actually good at… marketing. And convincing his audience that he's a nerd, and not a savvy business man.

[@kevinkerwin4118]

Ok racist

[@frankb3347]

Something I really liked in TNG was their maturity, professionalism, intelligence, and ethics..... I miss that.

[@-taz-]

That was one of the 3 requirements that Gene Roddenberry designed: never show a character disobey orders.

[@davfree9732]

Burnham: I’m 25% different and never heard an order I didn’t want to disobey on principal. Audience: No, pretty sure your 100% different and never would have made it through the academy… let alone the Vulcan science academy… unless Burnham left behind a trail of bodies she hid from her instructors… Oh who are we kidding. The bodies probably were the instructors.

[@vegeta002]

TNG was written by people who were (mostly) good at writing, and knew what Star Trek was.

[@RydarkVoyager]

"Shut up, Wesley!" Captain Picard said. Even when maturity, intelligence, and (possibly) ethics are forgotten (however briefly), I miss that too.

[@jeancaron9325]

@@vegeta002 They also love Star Trek.

[@bandit6272]

When people who think their feelings are the most important things in the world make a show, you get emotional incontinence and self indulgence. It's like they never grew out of that phase in childhood where how you felt was the center of the universe. The rest of us grew up

[@moonchildflanagan]

Think of putting a puppet on each hand and then having them conduct a conversation. That is how easy dramatic dialogue is to write and these writers LOVE being lazy.

[@JoshuaDMaley]

Very, very well stated. Modern Hollywood is polluted with these types.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The thing is, emotions are important, but not the only important thing

[@miguelvelez7221]

The megaton level irony given the character of the video's creator.

[@matthewbowen5841]

TNG real life guest star: Stephen Hawking. STD real life guest star: a woman who failed twice to become governor of a state famous for farming peanuts. This is the total summation of the comparison of quality between the two.

[@boobah5643]

Hey, can't forget she _also_ failed to be elected to the state legislature.

[@SolarisKane]

Eh that doesn't really mean anything because Hawking was also on the Big Bang Theory and I'd sooner watch Discovery than that travesty.

[@amp8295]

I thought you were kidding, but no. Holy crap does she leave much to be desired.

[@ShadeStormXD]

​@@SolarisKanebig bang theory is much more tolerable than STD

[@hellemarc4767]

TNG even had the current king of Jordan (then crown prince) as a guest star.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

I would voluntarily submit myself to be assimilated into the soulless existence as a Borg drone then have to watch the entirety of Star Trek Discovery.

[@sekijokes451]

In that existence you'd still have more spirit, individuality and imagination than the void brained cretins that created this show.

[@brusso456]

Star Trek Discovery is the Borg with a new face.

[@faito_k9782]

based

[@johnwolf2829]

I'm pretty sure that the Borg wrote this crap. Or maybe just wanna-be Borg. I think a cyborg would be a lot less preachy and dogmatic than this whole leaky abortion.

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

Star Trek Discovery IS the Borg, you'd be subjecting yourself to an eternity of this

[@madambutterfly1997]

I truly appreciate that you brought up Gundam and the Trope of the love interest getting killed off within two episodes or less

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

they had only two days till retirement

[@PrincessFionaYT]

It doesn’t sound so bad I think because I’m used to listening to the previous two very recently. There are no obvious flaws or annoying background audio sounds that would be irritating. I think I speak for many of us when I say we listen to your words not your microphone. And while we appreciate that you have standards, your expressed thoughts and ideas have never come close to falling below them. For those of us who grew up with these shows it really is upsetting when they are dismantled. Your videos and others like them are genuinely cathartic and yours are some of the best.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

That’s a really lovely thing to hear. Thank you!

[@RedDwarfCruz]

@@TheLittlePlatoon I was actually thinking the same after 10 min i couldn't even tell the difference

[@thor3279]

Nope, I'm only here for the stellar production values. I watch the shiny pictures while I play Baby Shark over and over. Glad to see and (& hear!) TLP continues to be a technically flawless channel

[@SUP3RDAD84]

Well said

[@NoOneGetzOutAlive]

His real early stuff sounded shockingly tinny and his voice seemed deeper. Still good

[@the_absurd_hero]

If “characters have a feelings talk” was part of a drinking game for this show, I’d be on the floor halfway through one episode... which would still be better than watching the actual show

[@stevemcgarry2307]

Just realised I've written something really similar to your comment! Apologies! It seems like alcohol is the only way to o survive star trek discovery!

[@derks0]

probably die of liver failure if you tried for the whole show lol

[@davejones9469]

I usually fall asleep before I'm even drunk, so that's the best way to play.

[@dirdib69]

Maybe it's an opposites universe - maybe drinking heavily makes STD crew act like disciplined professionals.

[@barachiel212]

Bonus points if its in a STAR Labs hallway.....

[@jasonhenry8067]

Also, for anyone curious, Stacy Abrams lost her second attempt at the governorship by a large margin (7% in a swing state, which in modern America is huge)

[@nl3712]

😂😂😂

[@thespadestable]

Abrams only flipped 3 counties in GA and won all the counties she was projected to win. The 3 counties she flipped were ones where it was +3 or -3 of 50% for each runners this election and last election. She was already up sh*ts creek from the get go.

[@givmi_more_w9251]

Well, she can always point at 'I played the morbidly obese diversity hire president of the earth in the worst Star Trek show ever'. Love that for her.

[@swagromancer]

As a non-American, I am oh so grateful that this politician I've never heard of before, whose policies are irrelevant to me and who didn't even win the election this stunt was aimed at, is now forever a part of my favourite fictional universe.

[@iancasleton6356]

​@@swagromancer usa usa usa

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

Well said. The idea of having a living politician show up as a character for the series was shameful. Because of that, now they've opened the door for every politician to poke their head in, wave to the audience, and put up a "Vote for me" sticker on their uniform on their way out.

[@nurgle11]

Only the "right" kind of politician mind you.

[@JohnSmith-el6lk]

They did irreparable damage to the show that is already damaged when they brought in that loser.

[@ironwolf56]

If it had been a Republican politician I can guarantee you there would have been ethics and campaign finance investigations opened.

[@olafgurke4699]

I think the issue isn't as much the fact she had a cameo at all, but rather the nature of the cameo. Nobody would've cared much if she were random redshirt no. 5. But no, they had to make her president of fcking Earth.

[@mattpierre891]

President Nixon briefly showed up on an episode of Laugh In.

[@barrybend7189]

46:44 in TAS Spock literally talked to a sentient space cloud, in TOS he mind melded with the Horta, Medusan and many other unconventional creatures and the Vulcan/Romulan only now thinks of Mind melding.

[@owenlindkvist5355]

And he has a learning disability in this version.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And in TNG Lore communicated with a space crystal, one guy talked with a living space ship, and they discovered intelligent silicon base life at least twice.

[@PrincessFionaYT]

“We will try to keep those plot points light and entertaining” That’s impressive considering the show wasn’t able to do either.

[@-taz-]

Stacey Abrams: "My dress doesn't fit!" "There's a light blue tarp. Just sort of drape it over yourself."

[@chrisl8277]

And she's now in star trek cannon as "not elected"

[@Seomus]

The part of you talking about Stacy Abrams being in the show is more than a good enough reason to release this video.

[@JohnSmith-el6lk]

Bringing Abrams into the show was a sure-fire way to do even more damage to a series almost impossible to stomach.

[@AudunRiksfjord]

It was a very interesting comment for a dweeb like me. It was awakening.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I was this days old when I learned that new Trek is now US centric and not human centric

[@classreductionist]

So the Collectors didn't realize that our galaxy had intelligent life...which means they were otherwise fine with annihilating entire galaxies full planets with vibrant ecosystems as long as there was no "intelligent" life there. These are horrible creatures. They should have let Book kill them all.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Honestly, I’d have had much more fun had I made this video today - but it would have been at least 6 hours long.

[@slaapt]

Worse. Statement 1: we did not know the universe had higher life forms. Statement 2: we need to harvest planets to power our defenses. Which raises the question: Who are you defending against?

[@classreductionist]

@@slaapt "Which raises the question: Who are you defending against?" Clearly they need to defend themselves against all the enemies they made by destroying their galaxies. Their "We don't destroy galaxies with "higher" life forms is nothing more than them realizing that when you attack INTELLIGENT lifeforms they fight back. This has clearly happened to them multiple times in their history before they instituted this rule. Once again...this is a race of dangerous, arrogant, sadistic, lying, evil, psychopaths. Their vast technology and moral emptiness actually makes them a greater threat to the Federation than the Borg.

[@X525Crossfire]

I just can't believe they lazily rehashed thr Crystalline Entity plot line from TNG and f***ed it up so bad.

[@NashmanNash]

@@slaapt To be fair..there are Planet Killers around :D...BTW...Why does the TOS Planet Killer look like a giant,crudely done..Joint

[@victortuber9116]

The character willing to commit suicide to get back -- also a derivative trope from Star Trek Generations ... which actually did the appropriate setup to explain the extreme f'all level of motivation he had. My brother and I make each other watch this show as a remote form of fraternal torture... thanks for suffering through it for these great reviews!

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

It's a trope from Wrath of Khan as well! Old Trek has been doing it for quite some time!

[@Kaysab11]

I like the cat toy idea. It’s like your cat not liking the laser pointer you bought so you permanently carry an EMP on your wrist instead of just returning or not using the pointer

[@tekno647]

You know I was going to make a joke on how people could make a drinking game out of this by taking a shot everytime you mention "feelings". But I don't want to be indirectly responsible for manslaughter via alcohol poisoning, so I'll keep my peace.

[@stevemcgarry2307]

Brilliant! Best to cover yourself!

[@admiralrimmer]

Oh god you reminded me that STD exists. I'd almost managed to purge it from my memory while watching old episodes of TNG and DS9

[@davfree9732]

Like Anita Sarkesian, evil never goes away because you forget it exists.

[@BigCowProductions]

@@davfree9732 totes true

[@Bigbodybigbeefybody]

lol "STD", how fitting

[@mchonkler7225]

I seriously thought this show was canceled until I found this video.

[@josiah5776]

Spot on. I've been a Trek fan since TOS in the 60s, but I cannot bring myself to watch more than a few minutes of Discovery without retching and reaching for the whiskey.

[@gvahlg6001]

First time ever for me that i literally cant stand to watch startrek. Disgusting

[@MrS-pe6sd]

These writers and actors out here in LA see therapy as a religion. Sitting around discussing and validating their feelings is why they get out of bed everyday.

[@cryphonics4766]

This may be backed-up by no facts whatsoever, but it feels so very true. It just has to be.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

But they forget that there are other important things besides therapy. That it has it's place, but also moments where it has to take a step back.

[@Kmwallace90]

While I am not a trekky myself. I always find your commentary, and per usual discourse, Interesting and intelligent. Consider me a fan. I look forward to future content!

[@aldunlop4622]

There’s nothing Star Trek in this show.

[@R.Specktre]

And that is precisely the sentiment I expect to hear from anyone regarding this video because the OP is definitely not a Trekkie.

[@floppybalboa3939]

Thank you LP for putting so much time and effort into your videos! You have quickly become one of my favorite KZbinrs! Keep up the outstanding work and btw i love the dry humor of yours. Greetings from Germany

[@jonnywatwong]

It's heartbreaking watching my favourite franchise die. I'm genuinely heartbroken by this show. 💔

[@RogueOrracle]

"First time?"

[@iancasleton6356]

​@@RogueOrracle right?!?! This is like my 3rd cinematic franchise and I have like 5 game franchise that went to shit as well.

[@davejones9469]

I'm numb to it, mostly because I haven't consumed ANY first hand. Last mainstream thing I saw was TLJ. Watched it once and had that "first breakup" feeling, with the black hole in your chest lol. I've always been the type to completely sever ties after I've been wronged in a relationship...

[@SolarisKane]

Star Trek died when Voyager ended (and was dying before that with the godawful TNG movies).

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Nah nah, friend. Don’t go sad like that. What we love is still there. Just do what we ATLA friends did when Shymalan made that movie: No he didn’t, that movie doesn’t exist.

[@justin_5631]

I think one of the reasons TNG got away with Tell-Not-Show writing was that much of the 'action' actually took place as conversations. I'd be the first to admit that a lot of the plot devices and solutions were contrived or simplistic. The enjoyment of the show came more from the approach the characters took to conflicts. Discussion, problem-solving, investigation, with a smattering of violence thrown in here and there. Being older I see the plots as more juvenille than I used to, but the philosophy of the show is what still elevates it.

[@BWMagus]

Given the time constraints, it was impossible not to have a certain degree of that. But I don't know they were quite to the point of contrived, usually; they were typically set up properly. But yes, trying to find other solutions, not choosing violence even when they could have easily done so (and won), that was the lesson.

[@JMgnssn]

"Follow me into the ReTARDIS" made me laugh harder than anything I've seen on screen in decades. Kudos sir.

[@pinkminipuff]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I had a pretty good, silly laugh at that. 😆

[@jbug1979]

I appreciate you coming back to finish what you started. Also cannot wait for your 3.5hr "ABADAH" video!

[@mterenzi]

I really like that you went out of your way to finish your review of this show. It’s tough at times to not fall victim to the distractions that come our way. The fact that one of the distractions was your channel blowing up is an excellent and well deserved distraction. Great job! Thanks for your videos!

[@m.rivers9201]

Thank you for saying in words what I have felt. I always thought that the majority of today's shows and Movies appear to be preaching a message that feels 50 years too late. Thank you for spelling it out so well.

[@jcudejko]

43:44 oh man, flashing back to Tilly in earlier seasons is a funny idea, nice editing throughout!

[@michaelcoldicott1691]

Season four was soo bad. The admiral or whatever committed an act of treason and only got a slap on the wrist…because she was sorry. Also thanks for completing discovery.

[@FrakkinGaiusBaltar]

As that one viewer of yours who watches Gundam and is coincidentally also a devout Trekkie, I thank you for giving closure to this series. Your analysis are always thoughtful, even when humorous. I realise Trek videos don't have the same audience as more popular media subjects, but would love to see you complete the breakdown of Strange New Worlds (a series that while not perfect, at least *makes an effort*)

[@sbed6587]

I have to say that I was late to wake up… I watched Wheel of Time, Hawkeye and the Book of Boba Fett… trying/faking really hard to like them. BUT… Star Trek Discovery season 4 was too much. I woke up and realized that this was garbage and did not respect classic trek shows. And, the Little Platoon’s video about Discovery (With Paul Chato’s one) opened my eyes and enabled me to become more critical. Tks you Little Platoon!

[@Spamsmoothie1701]

I bailed on STD after the horrific Season 2. I thought Season 2 of Picard was bad, this is horrific. It's hard to believe that these people got hired, wrote this crap, got it approved and made into an actual TV show.

[@ThatPurpleGirl81]

You know, if the whole KZbin thing doesn't work out, I think you could make a living going around and giving talks about...this. Your thoughtfulness and ability to articulate yourself intelligently is truly impressive. 💜

[@mallninja9805]

"Why can't good people die??" - I call this The Iron Giant syndrome. The Iron Giant had a perfectly good, heart-wrenching, wonderful ending with him closing his eyes and embracing his identity not as a weapon, but as "Superman". It was perfect and poignant, a literal weapon of mass destruction embracing free will, giving it the power to transcend its past and the purpose of its creators to control its own destiny. But they wanted free will to also be free from consequence, and they learned the audience does too. So now every character that decides to be a good guy gets a happily ever after.

[@boobah5643]

_The Iron Giant_ had a couple excuses, one lame, and one not so much. The lame one is that it's a children's movie, and we can't kill a beloved character in a children's movie. The good one is that the giant made a choice to not harm anyone, and made that choice _after_ it was apparent there was a choice to be made but _before_ it had actually done anything worthy of punishment.

[@joetierney2522]

I think it also adds a lot of unconscious assumptions into our culture about how severe medical issues operate. It's so common with late stage cancer for people to just assume that if you're young, and kind, and loved or whatever that you automatically get to "win". And every visit to the doctor just forces people in an already horrifying situation into breaking their loved ones hears over, and over, and over again when reality doesn't play by Hollywood logic.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Which basically means the end of the heroic sacrifice. Another glorious and moral trope.

[@zeeegeee]

When I was a kid tng was still on the air. And there was so much amazing star trek yet to come. Now I look at the the crumbling ruins of my favorite franchise of all time and I can't be upset anymore. Just sad to see it go.

[@Eccles116]

The consistency with which modern writers forget everything they wrote mere minutes after they wrote it makes me think they don't have object permanence

[@boobah5643]

To be fair, it could just be the head writer's incompetence. And that of the episode producer, I guess. And the inability of the scene writers to find the time to do more than 'talk about feelings' and 'pull plot point out of nowhere,' when their scene is _supposed_ to be about the somewhere that plot point came from. Nevermind.

[@kenneth83DK]

THANK YOU and ABOUT BLODY TIME!! as some one who subbed and started following you since the Discovery days I had honestly pretty much given up on you uploading this video, after going through the different stages of excitement, to irritation and finally indifference towards these Star Trek analysis video's. So glad you decided to finish this series up, here's hoping we don't have to wait until 2024 for the Star Trek Shitard Season 3 analysis when it inevitable disappoints as well.

[@jeffreyhejny]

I'm over here more excited than I've been in years for part three.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I’m sorry it took so long!

[@jeffreyhejny]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Its okay :)

[@edwoodsr]

The worst aspect of Discovery is that it is now what we expect from Hollywood.

[@andreyhempburn]

I started rewatching TOS. It's positivity is practically hypnotic

[@medicinemanboxing3222]

What I am about to say, I mean 100% seriously. I’m a big supporter/fan of Critical Drinker and other big KZbin movie/show reviewers. There are so many who are intelligent, creative, and unique…also very good at what they do. I only just came across your channel while working on a big job that required me to work a couple overnight/day shifts in a row. I am blown away. I can say with extreme confidence, that your channel and your reviews are, BY FAR my favorite. Your combination of comedic/intellectual dissection of these shows/movies is unrivaled, in my opinion. I’ve never enjoyed a review channel so damn much!! I mean it. I’m so happy I stumbled across your KZbin channel. I really hope your subscriber count increases 1,000 fold! Please keep it up brother. You have a massively special talent for this, and your videos made 72 hours of uninterrupted work, feel like a blink of an eye. Thank you and looking forward to your future work! I hope you see this.

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

A new video from Little Platoon!! What a perfect way to end the weekend.

[@dfygrvty09]

I keep watching Discovery hoping somehow it’ll get better. I fully checked out when it was revealed that the burn happened because a kid was sad. He cried and broke all the dilithium because… reasons.

[@aldunlop4622]

I tried watching an episode a few months ago, the fucking dialogue is soooo boring and unnecessary, every character needs a psychobabble pep talk before they can do anything, and the characters are sooo unlikeable. I mean there’s literally NO likeable characters, they’re all just soooo annoying!

[@lochlannach7]

Antifa be like:

[@Micheal1122]

Lol same

[@ZeroBusterXX]

To be fair: In the case of Sleggar Law's death, the last arc of the original Gundam was somewhat rushed and altered since the episode count was slashed and then bumped back up slightly. He does get a lot more screentime and characterization in the recent-ish retelling, Gundam: The Origin by Yas.

[@PrivateIvan]

I'm an old geezer who watched ST:TOS every day when it was broadcast back in the 1970s (on WPIX ch.11 in NYC; R.I.P.), and I *LOVED* that show (although I've never enjoyed its various spin-offs). Back then, when I was a kid, I'd be hypercritical of ST:TOS's competitors (like the original Battlestar Galactica or Gerry Anderson's Space 1999), after listening to you (and thanks for taking this bullet; may God bless you and the ground you walk upon), I'm starting to think of those competitors as utter genius when compared to this new Trek. All this talk of "feelings" makes me want to see something completely uncomplicated like Irwin Allen's 1960s Lost in Space! (Although I always preferred Allen's Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea...but I'm a Navy brat...)

[@Darkington]

I'll probably watch this later, during work, but thank you for making these. Tragically, many of the Longman-style reviewers were never Star Trek fans so there aren't many longform videos on this shit show.

[@alexfriedman918]

I grew up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, and so didn't watch Star Trek as a kid. But as a teenager in the US, I became fascinated with it - eventually, I saw every episode of Old Trek and TNG several times, at least. At some point, I gave the foundational principles of the Federation some thought (yes, I later became a philosopher, I admit it), and became somewhat disillusioned with what was being glossed over - the utopian future, the seeming willingness to incorporate worlds that clearly didn't share the basic principles of the Federation (when convenient), and especially the often preachy and sometimes hypocritical pontification regarding the Prime Directive, etc. But even though I stopped watching, and missed many later iterations of Trek entirely, there was always a warm place in my heart for much of what it represented. And I have to agree that Discovery and Picard are antithetical to all of it. They defecated on the very soul of that franchise, killed it, buried it, dug it up again, defiled the corpse, and are still playing with it in vile and unspeakable ways! On a happier note, very glad to have discovered your channel last week. I've binge-watched dozens of your videos, and enjoyed them immensely. Thanks, and keep up the great work!

[@TheSoda21]

I would recommend DS9, towards the beginning-middle through the end of the series it tackles a lot of those issue you have

[@alexfriedman918]

Thanks! I just might do that - compared to what passes for sci-fi the last few years, I am sure it would be refreshing.

[@angelmessenger8240]

Deep space 9 and Babylon 5, both series I loved.

[@alexfriedman918]

Yeah, I loved Babylon 5 too. Now that I think of it, were there not recent rumors of "updating" B5 for the mythical "modern audiences"? Because just 1 out of 4 senior officers being black, and only 1 a woman (with a female love interest, at one point, no less) just wasn't diverse enough!

[@sirrickardjameses]

@alexfriedman918 yes, it's potentially being rebooted by the network 'CW'. So it will be absolute garbage

[@noneed4me2n7]

Another well thought out post mortem of what was once one of the most “bring the family together” IPs outside Dr Who. Sad state the entertainment industry is in.

[@MayhemMby]

What is amazing is how many 'feelings chats' they have after being told how urgent things are, sometimes immediately after. I know my first thought after being told how fast something has to be done and how urgent it is, is to have a long chat about something else, and in my case the urgency isn't even threatening the existence of my whole planet and everyone on it. It's as if they are required to remind you about a characters gender, or sexuality, at a certain regular period no matter what else is going on and no character is at all worried about the urgency of the mission over whatever else they have going on in their heads. If this show was music, you'd constantly be brought up to the point of a crescendo only to suddenly instead be listening to to the song 'Feelings' over and over again.

[@boobah5643]

Two points: Talking Is A Free Action, which means that even the guy who is dying from a sucking chest wound has time for a soliloquy about their triumphs and regrets before they succumb. Second, they can Take Their Time; as long as nobody sets off the next plot advancing flag, they can take as long as they want. Mind, the _characters_ aren't supposed to be aware enough of the fourth wall to pull that sort of thing.

[@MayhemMby]

@@boobah5643 yea well, in this show they are constantly aware. Moments after saying how important it is to do a thing, they're taking time out to chat about something else. Takes you out of the moment, and makes that important thing they have to do quickly not seem quite so urgent. The person dyeing, has no real urgency and may as well talk out their last breaths. The person who has to chase down the mega weapon to save the planet hardly would waste the time to chat about a relationship before setting out since, each minute spent doing what you could do afterward is a minute less chance of catching it. Course, if you already know you can't miss it, you're not so rushed. Now, viewer kinda knows there is no way they wont catch it, but they're not supposed to make it obvious that even they don't care about rushing about it.

[@wongscp1701]

But.....feeeeeelings have the power to stop time! So torpedoes, monsters, enemies all stop while they chat about feelings and cry about it......and then....unpause! Ok tense action again.......

[@jeffrofoo6910]

Never was a Trek fan but enjoyed listening to you breakdown.

[@Romey1son]

Having come back to your videos after a some time away from KZbin I was really surprised at the quality of your content. Well done.

[@neuro.weaver]

I am so glad I have all the REAL Star Trek series on DVD! TOS, TNG, DS9, VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE. That's it. Star Trek ended in 2005. And I will NOT allow all these Cultural Marxism vandals to destroy and soil a great series with their politics.

[@barrybend7189]

You forgot about TAS.

[@Aweal7]

Thank you for watching Season 4 so we don't have to.

[@IronDragon-2143]

Another day, another video and another hour and a half of that silky smooth voice

[@bryansalvagejr757]

I was so shocked when I saw a currently running politician be given a platform that here opponents didn't have. Democracy in 2022 and onwards

[@JasonMarciak]

Great commentary. Can`t wait for more. Thank you for making such high quality content. The hard work is appreciated. Congrats on pushing past the 100k Sub boundary.

[@lumeronswift]

From memory, I had the same frustration about "ascension" when watching The Next Generation... really frustrating watching "advancement" of a character or species be them becoming less useful or less advanced and having to (for some reason) leave their friends behind.

[@TheSlysterII]

Thank you for this video, and thank you for the outro, we do watch all the way through!

[@primmakinsofis614]

The most impressive thing about _Star Trek: Discovery_ was how much mass Tilley acquired each season without collapsing into a singularity.

[@archstanton9073]

It should be impossible to be fat in the Star Trek universe because the replicators would adjust your calorie intake no matter what you ate. Like if you ordered 10 chocolate sundaes a day, it would calibrate them so you'd get all the nutrition you'd need and your daily calories without going over 2,000 (or whatever the daily recommended amount would be).

[@davfree9732]

It is theorised that the producers pushed her to gain weight and then filmed her in unflattering angles to show off how fat she was. When her contracted silence is over I want to hear what the producers did to her behind the scenes. Their ‘do as we say, not as we do’ mindset requires a karmic backlash.

[@booshmcfadden7638]

She's also slow and jumpy, she doesn't react quickly and panics. Couple those character traits with her constant inability to not gossip, and I wonder how she was even allowed into the academy. Saru and Lorca seemed to be the only Starfleet worthy members of the crew.

[@classreductionist]

It's so crazy how completely unfit for Starfleet Tilly's character was. She was a neurotic, overweight, insecure, weak, mess of a person. She literally got FATTER as the show went on. In season 1 when she was "just a cadet" being overweight and acting like that made a bit of sense. Especially given her arc in Season 1 where she talks about how her dream is to become a captain and Space Jesus is literally helping her train physically. I was looking forward to seeing Tilly lose 40 pounds and stop being a neurotic mess. She could have been hot and I have a thing for redheads. That would have been a legit great story arc of a young woman growing up into a functional adult. Nope. She literally GAINED weight. She must have put on 40 pounds almost as if the Actress did it on purpose. Like she was trying to get herself fired from the show by just being a much of a slovenly loser as possible but they kept just making her bigger and bigger uniforms. She must weigh 200 pounds by her appearance on Season 4.

[@loumencken9644]

Well, if the President of Earth can be morbidly obese, why can't someone in Starfleet also be fat?

[@mrbojangles8133]

talking about feelings, the go to option for disco

[@barrybend7189]

So can anyone name what sci-fi series each season of Discovery gimped from? I know Season 1 was Babylon 5's in the Beginning and Season 3 is Andromeda.

[@Downloadguy1995]

@TheLittlePlatoon, Late comment but over the last days i have gone through your whole back catalog. Lovely work guys!

[@Vespyr_]

I love that for a bunch of narcissistic writers the concept of exploring feelings and empathy is akin to exploring the most distant philosophical frontiers known to mankind and beyond.

[@davejones9469]

When I hear the bits about describing feelings to entities with...feelings, reminded me of Sisko trying to explain linear time to beings that perceive all time simultaneously...

[@SolarisKane]

Except timeless beings unable to understand linear time makes sense, as well as the struggle in explaining it to them. Whereas nothing in Discovery makes sense. DS9 also brilliantly played off this fact when a Bajoran poet from the past arrives in the present via the wormhole, and because he was the first to find and communicate with the Prophets the Bajorans think he must be the true emissary, because the prophecies say the emissary would be the one to first find the celestial temple, which from our linear time would be this Bajoran poet. But they go and ask the wormhole aliens themselves and they're like "no, Sisko is our emissary," because they don't see time as linear. Brilliant writing, completely lacking nowadays.

[@BWMagus]

Hey, remember when TNG killed off a main character in season 1, and the crew never forgot her, and she remained so integral that she returned a few times, in different forms, including even in the series finale? I 'member.

[@misterdedlift4879]

To be fair, that was due to the actress' desire to leave the show, she probably personally asked for her character to outright die instead of getting Poochie'd to another planet or something.

[@boobah5643]

They mostly _did_ forget about her. Mind, part of that is because they were professionals (except Wesley, who never really interacted with her on screen) who had jobs to do, and the show wasn't interested in their personal lives until years later. Mind, my favorite part of them recreating _Encounter at Farpoint_ was that they put Colm Meaney back in red at Conn.

[@bloodyneptune]

Star Trek was more "here's both sides of an issue, what do you think?" The new stuff is "here is one side of an issue, and why its the right one"

[@MaximumAaron]

What always annoys me about people who think aliens wouldn't bother with us because we're "like ants" to them.. bitch, if we found out the ants were trying to talk to us and could actually understand even the most rudimentary communication, we would flip our SHIT. That would be insane and awesome, and SO many people would devote their entire life to that field of study. The only reason they wouldn't find us interesting, even if we were like animals to them, would be if sentient life was so common that it would be boring to investigate all of them.

[@boobah5643]

Even if humanity as a whole considered it boring and humdrum, there'd still be freaks and graduate students (but I repeat myself) who'd want to take a look.

[@MartinzW]

YES. This. I have no idea how this doesn't occur to every person that has had this opinion: from teachers to peers to colleagues. Or, here's a thought, they are so advanced, they can simply pull accurate simulation from species they discover and then they focus their studies there. But that wouldn't be disinterest.

[@GeorgeMonet]

This makes me wish that ants will suddenly gain sapience.

[@alannilsson6509]

I love hearing your 'outside the box' assessment. Keep up the middle man observations which you do so well.

[@sofiadragon6520]

"You can't communicate with feelings if you can't feel feelings." Thank you, sir, I feel less alone after hearing someone else say that. Hot damn, I've read fanfic from drunk drabble speedwriting sessions that is better constructed. (NoNaWriMo parties aren't all nerds in a library being silent and productive for an hour.)

[@GRasputin91]

I actually was hoping for more at the end. Your commentary on Stacey The Hutt was pretty damn interesting

[@misterdedlift4879]

Morally Dubious Character is at no point Morally Dubious because there's a simple, surefire, 100% accurate way of telling whether a character is good or not in today's TV and movie world, perfectly applicable in this show.

[@GrowlieDave]

An hour late to the party, but ive been positively moist with anticipation for this. On wards and upwards.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

It’ll be taken down in a few hours, just you wait…

[@GrowlieDave]

@@TheLittlePlatoon 24 hours in the future, and i do believe the reviewer is still proudly wearing his porcine balaclava. Tim Allen once said: Never give up, Never surrender. Words to live by. Chin up assorted crew, people are noticing your good work. Be proud.

[@Anthony-tq9so]

You, Sir are a very much appreciated intelligent, articulate man. I really hope you will be on an open bar ( Critical Drinker) again very soon. Thank you for giving up your day job for this new endeavor.

[@ManjulaD]

I discovered your channel only few days ago. Great videos. keep it up.

[@Jo_Der_Punk]

Every time you show the collectors from ME2 I thought "Why can't we talk about that instead?" . That would be way less painful for all involved parties.

[@TheBrewjo]

While not a true Dyson Sphere, if you want some sci-fi eye candy, the Magog World Ship from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda is imposing: A artificial star with 20 planets linked together forming a mobile solar system.

[@JamesRDavenport]

Let me add another log for the fire praising Old Trek, they had a now uncommon talent. They could take someone like me, an avowed Individualist heavily leaning on the Right, and place me in their headspace for a moment. I could see their wordview as they saw it. I could see their intent, and as you said our shared humanity. I still might not always agree with their conclusions, but I appreciated after all was said and done, that they wanted a better world for us all, and so do I. I was still allowed to be. We were willing to learn from each other. Today's Trek, and the political totalitarianism it represents, have made it clear they don't want people like me in the Universe, let alone in their civilization. It's an all or nothing war. So, why should I participate where I am default not welcome in any sense? Stacey the cancer is just the icing on the cake.

[@iconoclaster674]

What an excellent essay. Thank you.

[@dredd1981]

I seem to recall in the first season, space jesus made it her mission to get tilly to lose weight......yet by the 4th season tilly is the size of a type 7 shuttlecraft. I actually pointed this out on twitter a few years back only for the actor who plays gay dr to personally reply to me telling me to "f*** off" lolz

[@seanledden4397]

Always amazing to revisit the astounding disconnects in the "plots" of these show. As always, thank you for your service.

[@leeci33]

19:49 😂😂😂 David Bowie’s sister 🤣🤣🤣

[@klintmacnugget6688]

I tuned out after the first 2 episodes, glad I did. It's the very thing any Star Trek series should never be.

[@christianjeffress5312]

The hive mind species, not knowing that non-mind species were sentient vaguely reminds me of Enders game, just not done as well lol. Unless I am completely miss remembering that point, since it’s been probably a decade since I read that book.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

One of Macross series had an alien race attacking humanity because they thought our hive mind had a catastrophic breakdown, and they were trying to fix it.

[@slaapt]

In Ender's Game the issue wasn't that humans weren't recognised as sentient, but that we weren't recognised as a non-hivemind. Losing a few drones meant nothing to the aliens so they assumed it meant nothing to humans either. They were actually quite distrought when they learned they exterminated entire consciousnesses with every kill.

[@christianjeffress5312]

@@slaapt Ah, okay. Makes sense 👍

[@barrybend7189]

@@MachineMan-mj4gj that was Macross Frontier and it thought that a kid's singing ( that kid had a mutation that allowed them to effectively have biological FTL coms) was their young's crie for help. Interesting how Discovery gimped a similar idea for the burn but made it stupid.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@barrybend7189 "Discovery gimped a similar idea for the burn but made it stupid," is a common refrain for the show.

[@bjornskivids]

3.5 hour Avatar video in the works? You are too good to us.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

And too hard on myself, apparently!

[@swagromancer]

I would really appreciate it if NuTrek could, for once, have literally _any_ plot line other than "We must stop an overpowered evil thing that is threatening to destroy the galaxy!!!1" God am I sick and tired of this. Constantly having the fate of life itself on the line is so exhausting. And it's very hard to care when the scale of the threat is so ludicrously humongous. I miss the days when there was a minor border dispute somewhere and we had to go and tell the Cardassians to stop being so mean.

[@ogyonmastaflux]

Burgerbro here, you're right, our politics are messed up beyond belief and no one wants to do anything about it. If someone actually does they are destroyed by the establishment so our leaders can maintain the uniparty BS. I don't wanna be blackpilled, however...

[@brandonshelp4682]

The Dr. Who school of writing. "Oh this is cool" and "feelings" trumps all.

[@jeruharlem]

Thank you. You took one for the team. I thank Super Space Jesus and the lil' platoon that i don't have to watch this

[@jeruharlem]

and I made it to the end and appreciate your political critique.

[@barrybend7189]

Which space Jesus? Sisko, Burnham or Kira Yamato?

[@jeruharlem]

@@barrybend7189 Context brother. It's right in the title

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Kira is the best Space Jesus.

[@jaycagey]

I have to say, I do enjoy how it appears you’re giving Stacey Abrams cigarette burns as you repeatedly stab her cheek with your cigarette.

[@murderbunnies]

What I love most about Stacy Abrams appearance in discovery is that in over 1000 years, they haven't tackled basic dentistry or orthodontics.

[@JanMichalSzulew]

And - let's be real - obesity. And people still wear glasses. Lol.

[@murderbunnies]

@@JanMichalSzulew Well, they've had fatties in star trek before (mostly admirals). And kirk wore glasses in wrath of kahn. but the other thing i liked was that Space Jesus jumps ahead 900 years in the future and knows how everything on the ship works AND starts lecturing the guy she runs into about how it works. So fucking stupid..

[@berndsteinlein8608]

Love your videos, love your voice and style of narration. Please keep it up 🙂

[@brandonvallier4214]

Wow, the Gundam part was extremely relevant considering I just finished binging the original.

[@barrybend7189]

Though didn't it take 7 episodes to kill off Slegger and 18 for Ryu? Though Slegger did pave a way for a trope successor Roy Fokker from SDF Macross.

[@brandonvallier4214]

@@barrybend7189 yeah, the OG Gundam has its flaws but for most story beats being confined into 30m episodes it's actually much better then even I remembered as a kid. Most that died had some form of relevance and its felt through the other characters which also come back up in later episodes. You definitely got a decent feel for Ryu and Slegger regardless of the shows time constraints.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I think I may have subconsciously condensed the timeline because my friend and I used to binge watch it on free Megavideo accounts that stopped you after 4 episodes. I’m not *really* advancing that as a criticism, just as a slightly lazy trope - I remember Slegger’s death pretty much a decade after I saw it. Give it a year and I’ll probably have forgotten Book.

[@brandonvallier4214]

@@TheLittlePlatoon no your all good its still relavent with Slegger you get to know him as a laid back guy for a few episodes then bam. He becomes a love interest completely out of nowhere and dies 5 minutes later. When you mentioned it I couldn't help but laugh because it was accurate. Being a side character is hard. If they ever feel the need to completely divulge their backstory or get romantically involved they're dead.

[@Mrch33ky]

This review helped me to realize that although I watched every minute of all seasons of STD, I am pleasantly surprised at how much of it I have blocked out.

[@CanadAssassiN]

They can try and take down and demonetize these videos all they want, the truth is that these videos sh*tting on start trek discovery are infinitely more entertaining, interesting, funny, and thought provoking than any episode the actual show has ever put out

[@tracycampbell4526]

STD is "Everyone Gets a Trophy" Trek. Rather than selecting the best-of-the-best (a practice to which we've been taught that Starfleet ascribes), Discovery's crew is populated with the most flawed, corrupt and incompetent members of any ST installment. The plot is driven by the fact that these crewmembers are so substandard that they screw up everything they touch, but eventually find their footing and triumph in the end. Bullpoop! It reminded me a bit of "Sons of Anarchy," which I generously described as "stupid people making bad decisions."

[@jewymchoser]

Look how far your channel has come is such a short time. Probably a Star Trek time travel thing.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I know! I was fully expecting this video to tank, just because I remembered the numbers from the last few in this genre. It somehow went from being my main thing to being a niche in about 6 months.

[@Joshua_Griffin]

Oh the sibilance : ( I appreciate the upgrades you've now made to your audio.