BOSCH-Powered Pivot Shuttle LT - Race Mode Engaged Dissected

[@anthracitemafiaoffroad]

BLT for Lunch…but Orbea Wild for post lunch ride for me 👍👍🇺🇸

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

My wild rips so dam fast

[@anthracitemafiaoffroad]

@@graysquirreltreeservice7299 soooo damn fast!

[@scottbagley7513]

I test rode a wild a few weeks ago back in Scotland was impressed but I’ve always wanted a pivot always been a dream bike for me… now with the Bosch drive system it’s Evan more appealing to me know..

[@NathanLibot]

Crazy how they raised the prices and still use in house parts like cockpit 😅

[@sacavi84]

What do they think when they launch a new bike but it already has an outdated motor and battery? They are crazy.

[@jontoad]

I bought a 2024 Shuttle LT on the factory sale for 5k a few months ago instead of waiting for the new one for twice the price. I feel even better about that decision after seeing the new one.

[@OceansideCreations]

Whats the factory sale? Where is it? Online or in phoenix

[@jontoad]

@@OceansideCreations All summer local bike shops that carry Pivot had a "factory sale." Ride XT/SLX build Shuttle LT's were $5300. Team builds were like $7200 if i remember right. I bought mine in Wheaton IL so it wasn't just in Phoenix. I don't know if it's still going on, but I'm sure they are still clearing out the 2024 Shimano 801 motor bikes.

[@TheLoamWolf]

Killer deals on great bikes! We still have and love riding our 801 LT.

[@STLMTB]

@@TheLoamWolf FYI, the internal rattle that you made a video on, about making the battery fit tighter, is really or also the cables. If you remove the battery and the plate that is supposed to compress and hold the battery and you will see the cables just flop around and hit the frame making a ton of rattle. I bought some felt sheets at a craft store and was able to layer it between the cables and the frame and now my shuttle is silent. Just wanted to let you know in case you still have some rattle.

[@TAZMON20]

Similar, just bought the LT XTR EP801 TEAM, here in the UK it retails FOR £12350, I purchased it for £7k, the Bosch version doesn't warrant a further investment of £5k for what is an outdated package.

[@orrphism]

No one is spending this much without heavy DYOR on the motor and learning it's last gen when bikes like the SC Vala somehow didn't suffer the same fate. It's directly insulting your customers to think otherwise. Pivot knows this.

[@klassyken]

Chris Cocalis, please help us customers understand why Pivot chose the last generation motor and battery? A lot of people are wondering why you did not use the new generation Bosch motor and new higher density battery packs? Drew did this topic come up at all in discussions with Chris? Thanks

[@TheLoamWolf]

Definitely not a joke…We didn’t delete the comments, we’ve addressed your questions in another reply. We have no reason or incentive to moderate comments on a new bike launch. People’s opinions on new products being launched is their own, we are a 3rd party media outlet presenting new product. Hopefully the other reply answers your questions.

[@pivotcyclesusa]

Great question! We built the Shuttle LT for riders who demand control on the most rugged trails. To achieve this, we gave the Shuttle LT Bosch’s highest level, lightest and most powerful drive unit. The recent update of the standard CX BDU38 drive unit from Bosch is quieter and smoother than its predecessor. However, it is still not comparable to Bosch halo product - the Limited-Edition CX RACE Motor. The Limited-Edition Race Motor is lighter than the CX performance drive unit and runs on long-lasting low-drag ceramic bearings. It also provides 60 percent more power than the Performance CX along with the additional Race Mode assist level.

[@klassyken]

@pivotcyclesusa thanks very much for helping us understand the thought processes behind your decision. Kind regards.

[@mikes.8305]

@@pivotcyclesusathe motor may be lighter, and it’s great to hear why you guys chose to spec that motor. Even though the motor Is lighter I bet the 750 watt hour battery is heavier and makes more of a weight difference than the motor itself? I for one will for sure be test riding one. In the meantime can you answer; does the motor still rattle while going downhill? Shimano and the old Bosch motor drove me nuts with that marble sound all the way down hill.

[@eugenux]

@@pivotcyclesusa no connection to the huge stock clearing from Bosch, on the 4th gen motors and batteries..., got it.😁

[@fernandom6811]

Those motors are Great! ❤

[@craigrapporanells8021]

Thank you so much for the new video so nice to see Chris on it. What size were you riding in the video and is it any different sizing than last year's LT?

[@TheLoamWolf]

Hey, thank you I was once again riding a size medium as the reach numbers did not change.

[@luigimassello4357]

Overpriced older technology then soak the customer with a crazy expensive not necessary realistic build for us. Hard pass . Good bike overrated for price

[@jamiesteiger6140]

Great bike….last year. This bike is going to be on sale soon. Santa Cruz Vala is going to eat it’s lunch as will the revised Bullit . Good on pivot to have a fixed battery. Keep the obnoxious rattle possibilities to a minimum

[@OceansideCreations]

@@jamiesteiger6140 just rode the Vala and while the motor is impressive. The platform kind of sucks. Very stiff

[@briantschirhart9202]

Hard pass. $9k for an SLX build? $15k for a decent build? Old tech? At least the comments are not full of 157 haters anymore, we gave up on that fight.

[@mikes.8305]

I don’t hate it, but it is a factor in my purchase decision making as I have some sick wheels right now that I could not upgrade to that particular bike… especially with a MX and super short chain stays already just do boost and 448 ish chain stays on a size large…

[@euanholmes3839]

​@@mikes.8305 it's easy to adapt boost wheels to super boost. £20 of adapters, half an hour in the garage, you're done 👍🏻

[@mikes.8305]

@@euanholmes3839 adding weight and more importantly complication is not my ideal scenario.

[@canieto1]

how was the motor rattle while descending compared to the old LT? thanks

[@_rhapsodist]

the cheapest one is $8.7K, what the effin eff..

[@growlith6969]

You can buy a much cheaper e-bike, doesn't have to be a chart topper with a matching price tag.

[@ToddDegiovanni-p7v]

Curious to sizing….does the BLT also run a bit big as did the previous LT. Case in point, were you on medium as in previous review of LT or a large? Thanks

[@TheLoamWolf]

I am still riding the medium as the reach numbers did not change

[@ChaseAdams-f4h]

Man, comments got negative quick! All those making a big deal about the “last gen” motor; this is the latest version of the race motor. It’s sick. Got a chance to pedal both this bike and the SC Vala with the updated non-race motor. This motor definitely has its perks. Maybe less updatable?IDK. Question for LW…to any one who has spent time on both the LT and Vala…for your money, which bike would you go in debt to own if it was the only bike, E or standard, in your garage? I’m torn between these two.

[@cedriccinqmars3516]

Companies would benefit more if they would offer frames sets. I don’t get it.

[@jom23495]

"it doesn't feel like your on an ebike" is obvisoulsy bullshit when talking about a 50lbs bike. Why make that claim instead of being honest?

[@jason5031]

Says the person who's not ridden it...

[@jom23495]

@@jason5031 I've ridden e-bikes with different weights. You got used to all of them, but bikes over 45lbs will always be noticeably harder to push around tight corners and harder to brake on steep terrain. It's physics that has nothing to do with geometry or setup. I am not saying these bikes are bad. But claiming you don't feel a difference sounds obviously dishonest to me.

[@apfolklore]

Non-removal battery = No deal... ESP. at those prices.

[@porroco]

Fixed battery is the new issue, national parks or bike parks should add some solar battery charge station to get some charge and keep going

[@jason5031]

National Parks are already drastically underfunded.

[@growlith6969]

National Parks don't allow e-bikes unless it's a fairly rare flex use trail like a 50" wide or less ohv trail. I rode one of those today. Vast majority of normal trails are not on the menu, battery extenders are however available with this bike.

[@porroco]

@@growlith6969 yeap, that’s the thing they are fixing the battery to the frame to make us buy the extender. I mean like a trail in colorado that has solar battery charger to connect ebikes on the mid trip

[@eugenux]

guys(LW), why did you delete the video you posted 10-12 hours and re-upload it again 2 hours ago?, CC wasn't happy with all the comments saying the same thing over and over...aka, why this very expensive bike has been released with old tech, at this point?(despite the heavy, real heavy, discounts offered by Bosch to clear the stocks on gen 4 motors and battery) I believed it was a journalistic approach....and not a paid product launch video..., or is it?!

[@TheLoamWolf]

Trust us, we were very disappointed to lose all the views, engagement and rankings on that original video. Sadly, We mistakenly uploaded the a rough draft which still had the time code in it, which you may have noticed as well as a couple of clips, which were not color corrected so we unfortunately decided to pull it and to have the final version without the time code uploaded. We do not remove videos or remove comments that are critical of products or express opinions as long as they are not violent, intolerant or hateful. But thank you for asking and leaving another comment addressing your thoughts about Bike.

[@eugenux]

⁠@@TheLoamWolfI did noticed but, personally didn't bother me one iota; cobsidering the lightning of the video as well, I believed to be some 80s spin-off to a video made in '24; for me, it looked cool. As for the rest, by the time I asked that question, in the OG video and this, the second one, I did find out about the wholesale huge stock clearing at Bosch for the gen 4 motors and batteries; even "supermarket" brands got their hands on large quantities, the price was that good. As I now know better, I will never believe the mumbo-jumbo with the performance oriented decision but I do also get that the new molds costed a fortune as well and that the final product is still a great one...with the unfortunate flaws(lesser characteristics) of the bosch gen 4. Personally, I wouldn't pay that much money for old tech(at this point) but, if there will not be a demand and discounts will start to appear, I might be interested;...then again, I am reff to big big discounts, not 20-30%, as 15-20% you can get just by walking on the front door of the shop.😁😁

[@TheLoamWolf]

Glad you liked the retro vibe and look. Thanks. Yeah, there’s no denying that Pivot has given consumers a lot to think about, or maybe not for some. At this point in time, our preliminary testing shows the Race Gen 4 drive unit to be more efficient range wise, using less watts per mile, than Gen 5 but admittedly testing is limited at this point. And power on the Race unit is currently higher than the Gen 5… but who knows for how long? One topic we’ve spent the last week thinking about is how much people have been complaining about Bosch rattle and noise. We found it interesting that so many media outlets and other reviews have not talked about how loud the rattle is, only that Bosch is so much better than Shimano. And once the switch was flipped and Gen 5 came out, all of a sudden everyone had a problem with how loud Gen 4 was?? Haha. As someone who regularly had critical comments, we’d love to hear your thoughts on that topic? Were people in your crew complaining about Gen 4 Bosch noise 6-8 months ago? Or did it become more pronounced once people knew an update was coming?

[@eugenux]

@@TheLoamWolf good question; don't have one clue about what media is doing, although I believe that they had to mention some improvements on the gen 5, over the gen 4 and, if Bosch themselves said that it is less noisy and rattly, than it is/shoul be, right? As for us, the consumers, I can only look at me and my friends and there are two "camps"; some guys are bothered and some say they didn't mind or hear the rattles on the downs. 🤷🏻 , each to his own, I guess!

[@TheLoamWolf]

Thanks for sharing your friends "camps" seems about right... This whole Gen 5 launch has certainly been interesting because brands like Pivot and Santa Cruz (to name 2) had Shimano eBikes for the last year. And we'd see countless comments and emails saying, no matter how good we thought the bike was, they'd buy that bike but it has Shimano instead of Bosch (Gen 4) so they're out. Shimano-equipped eMTB sales suffered massively because it was as if Bosch were the must have drive unit. No complaints of the noise and rattle that have all of a sudden made it 'unrideable' to consumers now that Gen 5 is out... Just has us chuckling a bit as typically commenters always blast media as being the fanboys pushing the new stuff (apparently that's the hit word these days), but it now seems that the consumers are the fan boys...? We think more people just need to get out and ride and have fun! haha.

[@Nutinbutmtb]

A lot of $$$ given they used the old Bosch gen 4 motor with the known rattle. ! No, thanks

[@ridemx323]

I believe framesets aren’t available for e-bikes because it’s not as profitable for them.

[@stephenbarnes5850]

Always thought of pivot as a bit of a boutique high-end bike company and a quality product but I think they have really missed the mark using the old race model they must have known about the new motor when this bike was been designed I really can't see anyone spending that kind of money on a bike with outdated Tech, rattling motor, old heavyer battery no possibility of new updated screen and how long before no more updates available form bosch for gen4.If they didn't know then Bosch had their pants down 🙁

[@SsmAnyfeSt]

They simply had a hugeee deal on older tech... and they thought it would be better $$$. Lol I would understand if it was to sell it a lot cheaper but thats not even the case! I guess they know they have a lot of fanboys, like Santa Cruz, that will buy their bikes no matter what.

[@AverageBikeGuy]

If the price was lower because of the older tech motor , it will sell. I would hate to buy it at that price with the older motor

[@stevenschiff808]

$15k.

[@mutleyadamsracing2684]

Pivots are premium made and the finishing details are superior to the big box brands.

[@netposerx]

@@mutleyadamsracing2684 Yeah, their Fox 38 is different than those that Yeti, Ari, Giant, Specialized etc intall.

[@Mockle07]

@@mutleyadamsracing2684For example? Be specific…

[@stevenschiff808]

I mean, $15K! I can talk myself into a 10k bike...yes, but 15k is just truly amazing. I'd do the obvious and say you can buy a dirt bike blah blah blah. But 15k is just a new level in my mind. I'd like to be in the meeting that was held deciding that 15k is a workable price.

[@Mockle07]

@@stevenschiff808 I’m not generally one to clutch my pearls over bike prices as those guys generally complain about everything and their expectations are ridiculous… but yeah, bikes like this are priced absolutely ridiculously. Especially with old-school tech. I appreciate a bike shouldn’t be priced purely on build spec and a good frame and ride quality are important… but 15k is insanity. I like Pivot, but I hope this tanks and they learn something from it.

[@eugenux]

I was dissatisfied when CC said condescendingly "(we will) not (offer frames) on ebikes!, such a greedy company!, at this point, I wouldn't buy one on purpose!, they don't offer a frame only option pn ebikes so that they can charge up the price as high as they want; because who the ef would ever pay 7-8k on a frame, to add up to a 15k bike, considering the best mainstream components possible. - thought to comment about this frame thingy, as I am staying on my couch, rewatching the video -

[@jason5031]

They're a business and sell a premium product. BMW and Porsche don't sell crate motors.

[@Turd_farmer]

​@jason5031 are you seriously comparing a company that manufacture their own parts to a company that buys off the shelf parts that your standard consumer and buy?

[@jason5031]

@@Turd_farmer Yes. Because we're talking about frames here. Frames are not off-the-shelf parts. They're custom, built by Pivot. That's the point.

[@Turd_farmer]

@@jason5031 how dense are you? You're reply is making no sense. Read your initial comment again.

[@jason5031]

@@Turd_farmer you seem to have lost the plot. None of your comments have had a point.

[@jamesw1791]

14k is a ridiculous price. I mean, who the f*** are buying these bikes. They should change the build level to going to take a large loan out because I'm barely making it anyway to ride a decent e-bike. Pro should be the dentist's build, and the team build should be the orthodontist / orthopedist build.

[@growlith6969]

S-Works Levo is in the same range. Pivot has other E-bikes, they aren't this good, so, that's the trade off. If you want the very best spec, then pay up, if you can deal with less, then pay less.

[@Alex_Abdullayev]

Wow basically confirming what we all knew that the pre 2024 X2 was utter garbage. I went through 2 before I got a 2024 model and since have had no issues on my Tlevo.

[@topchoice1621]

I see what happened here this bike was already in production and then Bosch comes out with a new motor smh 🤦‍♂️ damn did pivot dirty

[@growlith6969]

Bosch Race has been out since late 2022.

[@netposerx]

I'm pretty sure Bosch communicates with their customers about upcoming products. The lead times to build a frame with a new motor is probably a year or more (I'm guessing).

[@netposerx]

The Loam Wolf should do a series called "Buy these instead of this" where they take the $14K and not the expensive bike. You would be able to buy the same kind of ebike with the exact components and have enough left over to buy and analog bike, gear, and a ticket to Whistler probably. Make the math make sense. How is that bike worth $14K?

[@TheDirrtydog]

You can purchase 2 top of the line ebikes from YT fo the price of 1 pivot!😂😂😂

[@netposerx]

@@TheDirrtydog Maybe the Shuttle frame is worth $8,500 without the shock? haha

[@pablojmcglynn2863]

100% , the rig is not worth 14k end of story 😂

[@joeyd1636]

@@TheDirrtydogyea but speaking of rattles!

[@TAZMON20]

The motor integration looks crude.

[@Maurizio-wn7tq]

Best ebike 2025 . ❤

[@eugenux]

:)))))))

[@rod2emmaus]

Shimano messed up on their motor. They don’t know how to evolve…

[@topchoice1621]

The owner of pivot doesn’t sound too confident about the new bike

[@KiwiInGermanyMTB]

Has the price tag of a Yeti and now the colour too. Sick bike if you have money to burn.

[@Turd_farmer]

Oof, what a rip off for old tech.

[@AZMTB]

Bosch race >>>>>>> CX gen 5.

[@Turd_farmer]

@AZMTB dude, really... your username is literally AZMTB. Obviously, you're a die-hard Arizona fan boy who would want to buy this thing even if it had a SX motor.

[@razorree]

you call it Shuttle and you can easily change battery......#@$% joke .... :/

[@ramonr.reyes26]

Los colores de ese video están sobre expuestos 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️ no se puede apreciar el color real de la bicicleta y el sol no deja ningún detalle

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Orbea wild is better

[@Turd_farmer]

This is what makes this so damn dissapointing. This bike would probably be better if it just had that Gen 5 motor. Charging customers this much for a last gen motor is daylight robbery. The motor isn't 60% more powerful either, that's a flat out lie, it has 60% more assistance over Gen 4 performance line CX. Power and the level of assistance are not the same thing, that is what makes this bike release so disingenuous.