Missing 411 | Garrett Bardsley | Into Thin Air

On August 20th, 2004, 12 year old Garrett Bardsley left his spot by his father to go change his wet shoes. Somewhere along the 150 yard trail back to his Boy Scout Troop's camp, Garrett disappeared.
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[@mattmoustache]

All these missing 411 videos make me look back and realize why my parents always stuck with me when camping while growing up

[@iwuz119]

I think this has been going on for a long time. But it seems to be more do these days.

[@brycealthoff8092]

@@iwuz119 I know it seems that way, but I think that’s just because we hear about it more. Thank you 24 hour news cycle, social media and the prevalence of online true crime content.

[@kyleharris7142]

Nah, you just had good and responsible parents 😁👍

[@archangel5627]

Same here. Growing up I used to go on an annual quote unquote guy’s only camping trip with my father, my uncle’s, and all my male cousins. My father and uncles told all of us to never go anywhere without at least two people with you making it a group of three. Furthermore we were told to never breakaway from the group and if we had to leave camp for whatever reason, we always had to have a total of three people with us at all times. We also had to really pay attention to our surroundings, environment, and the general whereabouts of everyone on the trip. Not only that but my father was never far away from me no matter where I was. Because of how we were raised and trained for a lack of better words, no one went missing and to put things in perspective, we used to do some serious wilderness camping when we did our guys only family camping trips. All the adults in my family were very aware of all the strange and bizarre missing persons cases and so they took it very seriously which intern made us kids take it very seriously as well. Every time I hear one of these unexplainable missing 411 cases, it reinforces my belief that there are several aspects to our reality and our natural world we just don’t fully understand or know about.

[@Anomaly-uz9pr]

@@archangel5627 fully agree I think something is out there that we just do not understand yet

[@lexinicole4317]

A problem I have with many of these stories is how late the scent hounds are often brought in. Most certified scent hounds are trained to consistently find trails less than 48 hours old. After that, while it’s not impossible for them to trail a scent, it becomes much less consistent. It isn’t always that surprising the dogs didn’t find anything.

[@TG-fq6vy]

Not at all surprising. If it is a predator attack they will also drag and carry their victim. Therefore the scent is broken up. Waterways can play a part. We also have to think about the two legged predators out there as well….psychos

[@firefawnakl]

Thank you for commenting on this! I do SAR and was thinking the exact same thing. People view scent dogs as these super powerful beings and consider a lack of trail the “end all be all proof of supernatural occurrence” and that’s ridiculous.

[@JoshuaAndres]

They waste the talent of those good bois

[@navy4735]

right? lol so true...always thought the same, why so late???!!! lets go immediately !

[@macekreislahomes1690]

Maybe they don't want to find who they're looking for. Seems strange to me. Good points y'all.

[@freeman7079]

In all seriousness thank you for correcting the mistakes made by Missing 411. If you obsess about these disappearances, as do I, you’ll notice that these types of inconsistencies and omissions are quite frequent…unfortunately. …and the CanAm community, namely Mr. Paulides, isn’t all too receptive when you try to correct these issues in the comment section of a Missing Project video…sometimes they’re even defensive. If the focus is REALLY on understanding the circumstances surrounding these cases, we should be excited to discover new details! But it’s become fairly obvious that the focus of Mr. Paulides (as good as his work may be a majority of the time) is on building a narrative upon which he can sell books. The fact is, the cases loses a lot of mystique when new evidence emerges; it screws up the paranormal angle! But that’s okay, because ultimately we want to know WHAT HAPPENED! We can still entertain speculation about cryptid and paranormal encounters whilst accepting and sharing new evidence…

[@Andrew-zr1jt]

very well said , I dont know the details but I had read similar things.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I have so much respect for David, to be clear. It takes guts to come out with this stuff.

[@gohansbattlecorner3775]

The chilluminati podcast touch on this

[@Iron-Bridge]

Excellent comment. The big picture is about letting the airtight evidence reveal the truth not form a narrative and then process evidence to fit that narrative.

[@deerichardz]

@@TheLoreLodge Can you elaborate why you have so much respect for Paulides?

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

I went camping with my family and friends, my girl scout troop, and I went to a girls-only jesus camp every summer for 10 or 11 years. I couldn't stop to tie my shoes without having a buddy by my side. Girls do tend to travel in packs but you didn't take a minute to *breathe* without a buddy. The buddy system was ingrained into me for a reason, and I will never take it for granted.

[@claire8430]

A very good telling of the story. I didn't know Garrett, but my brother did. I was three years old when he went missing, my brother 10. We are very good friends of the Trotters. Just a few things I wanted to point out-- The Bardsleys are from Spanish Fork- Salem area, about 15-20 minutes south of Provo. You only mentioned this a little bit, but everyone involved in the story is Mormon. I remember Kevin Bardsley coming to talk to us at church about Garrett's disappearance in 2008-ish. Something something about having faith that God knows what he is doing and has a plan for everything. His family believes he was either eaten/cached by a mountain lion or wondered/ran off trail and became lost and later crawled into a small cave or crevice to get out of the weather where he then died.

[@burtonupchurch1690]

Mountain lion theory is impossible since the evidence would’ve been spotted. He could’ve wandered off though.

[@bunkertons]

Yeah, the crevice thing would be my best guess. Poor little guy. 😔

[@jasoncutlip950]

​@@burtonupchurch1690 not necessarily the case. People have been snatched by mountain lions and not left behind much evidence at all. Especially a child, most especially if he had wandered off trail first.

[@Ekdrink]

When will religion nuts realize how insanely disrespectful it is to say “it’s all part of gods plan” when someone dies.

[@jasoncutlip950]

@@Ekdrink probably the same time people like you stop disrespecting them. So, never.

[@theonionqueen3519]

What kills me is that *something* happened. There is one, clear, definite thing that happened to Garrett. There is an explanation out there that we might never know. Garrett experience something that led to his disappearance, and whatever it was must’ve been terrifying.

[@trashcant69]

The only not supernatural solutions are that he either got kidnapped, or that his dad had something to do with it. I really don’t want to incriminate someone who lost their child, but it unfortunately could be a possibility.

[@leopardontheboat8252]

@@trashcant69it’s entirely possible that garret was kidnapped . Kidnappers want like several seconds to execute such acts and most likely they or he might have been watching the area for some time and waited until one broke off from the group to snatch . Idk the purpose of the kidnapper if that was the case , but my theory is this is one of those like child trafficking things like those guys are prepared for these kinds of acts and good at leaving no traces behind .

[@herstoryanimated]

​@@trashcant69We do only have his father's testimony on what happened and when, even the location. I don't think there's any reason to suspect him, but it's worth bearing in mind.

[@unusualtomato5]

​@@trashcant69I do kind of wonder if he didn't wander off of his own volition. Of course I don't think that its super probable, and obviously there ARE more likely explanations, but sometimes kids do dumb things while exploring. I definitely don't have a perfect explanation for why the fishing pole went missing, but I do kinda wonder if he hadn't gotten distracted by something off trail and thought he might just explore a little longer and then realized he didn't know where he was. He MAYBE had kept the fishing pole on him for a while exploring being worried about not being able to find it again if he put it down if he had been exploring in dense brush. Of course there are definitely more likely scenarios, but I don't think that it should be completely crossed out as a possibility when it comes to finding out what might've happened to a missing kid.

[@zeeeennie]

Whenever I hear stories like this, I always get curious about what items the missing person had on them. Because there’s always that slight chance that the kid’s fishing pole was around. But maybe another kid assumed it was theirs or perhaps it was taken by a searcher who just simply didn’t say something. It just makes the wonder what small events could’ve made huge impacts on a missing persons case.

[@niraku321]

Whenever I hear stories like this a assume the kid ran away of his own accord or was ld or slow in some way and shouldn't have been left alone.

[@KelticKate]

My parents made us kids always wear a whistle on a lanyard. We were told if we discovered we were lost or felt scared to stay still and blow the whistle until we were found. We fished, camped and had picnics. One time a cougar followed us on a day hike into a high mountain lake. We saw the tracks hiking back. My youngest brother was 4. My mom had tied him on a lead to her belt. She felt she saved his life.

[@gbresaleking]

I've always wondered why people kept their kids on leashes when I see them in grocery stores and stuff.. now I know... cougars . Ty

[@Alino-]

@@gbresaleking My parents never did this but I've seen it done and understand why it's done. Most little kids are very prone to wandering off. Places like grocery stores have creepos lurking in them just looking for lost kids. Putting kids on leads/leashes looks weird but it does ensure that they can't leave your side.

[@Echo_the_half_glitch]

When it comes to certain places it is strange, but if you have a small child on a camping trip then yeah I get it, especially because you can look away for just a second and they can wander off

[@JohnKerans]

don't whistle in the woods, you might get the attention of the wrong entity

[@JohnKerans]

@@Alino- You're more likely to be abducted by a family member or family friend than a stranger in a grocery store

[@jhondoe5683]

I’m a climber and caver in Colorado and all this makes me think of the feeling you get when walking up to caves near the top of mountains they feel like your just in the wrong place and your fucked. I’ve been in tons of caves but some near the tops just feel like that

[@humptusdumptus4123]

Could you explain more about this feeling? Why do you think these high caves make you feel this way

[@NimbusAdrift]

Do they feel like that energetically? Or on like a spiritual level? Haha Or is it bc you aren't sure how far down cave tunnels could plunge if you're climbing around in there? I guess it could be like that with caves on ground zero, too, though lol. I'm super curious about why they feel like this??

[@creed8712]

If I recall that’s an actual phenomenon. Usually a result of some sort of vibrations on a frequency that vibrates your eyes

[@nickyblue4866]

​@@creed8712 infrasound?

[@creed8712]

@@nickyblue4866 that’s it. Lots of caves and other “haunted” places have lots of that

[@Luvr652]

This not only breaks my heart, but bewilders and terrifies me. He deserves to be found, and it’s horrifying to think someone can simply vanish into thin air

[@chrisw6164]

My old friend from Boy Scouts would have definitely said something like that to the younger Scouts to get their attention. “He’ll be dead by morning” is probably mild for some of the things he would say lol. We were a pretty mouthy bunch.

[@fmf5304]

the buddy system is useful for a lot more then just preventing people going missing, gathering fire wood and you get injured alone, start yelling but if you have your buddy he can either help stabilize your injury or go get more help, fall through ice, have fun because that saps your motor functions so you probably arent getting out alone, that happened to a scout in my troop i was his buddy and pulled him out, gave him my jacket and got him back to the fire, attacked by wild life, easier to protect your self or scare it away as two instead of one, though still not a good situation.

[@GhostlyMasterpieceStudio]

I use the buddy system also in cities I’m not familiar with or in crowds etc. 😊

[@kalifogg6610]

One of my friends grandfather had a heart attack while he was splitting fire wood for a family in need and he was alone so help couldn’t be started to potentially save his life.

[@wintersprite]

Yes, the buddy system is great for many situations. We always did the buddy system in Girl Scouts as well.

[@avostorm8111]

I feel a lot of these are a case of "someone knows something." instead of he got lost.

[@felicialee]

As someone who has spent a lot of time in this area, it's really hard to describe how easy it is to get lost in these mountains. The mountains and valleys all look the same. And it's rocky in a way that things blend into the background. There are thousands of little lakes that are surprisingly deep and muddy. There are lots of wild animals too. People get lost and die all the time up here. Sometimes only a mile away from a parking lot. I was up there about four years ago when an older man, who had spent decades camping and hiking in these mountains with his family, got lost on a family camping trip up there. When they found him, he was three miles away and had walked in the opposite direction from the trail. He knew the area but still got lost. Unfortunately he also didn't make it. There are many stories of people being found years later and all that is left is a few bones. This story always broke my heart because his dad was accused of harming Garret by the media. But his dad was so distraught by Garrett's disappearance. The family is correct that he likely was taken by a mountain lion or curled up in a cave that no one found. Everyone in Utah was so sad when this happens. I hope his family has found some peace.

[@bradkempton7905]

This is one of the cases that made me start taking the possibility of the underground tunnel theory more seriously. I'm still not a full believer in it, but it would help explain a few of these cases. Especially with having been a boy scout myself and knowing what skills I had at 12, this one just doesn't make any sense at all. From pretty much day 1 in scouts we're taught that if you ever get lost, you stay put and make sounds for rescuers to find you. The total lack of any evidence AT ALL makes me believe that he was literally swallowed up by the earth. It could be from something as mundane as a sinkhole and not necessarily some sort of being intending to do us harm. If that makes any sense.

[@staywavee6474]

Deff is a set of underground tunnels

[@karenstubbs94]

I also feel that crevasses leading to a cave would explain some 411 cases. Especially with young children, like Dennis Martin❤❤❤❤😂❤😢

[@catmcc3464]

There was a case where a guy fell into a sinkhole in his own back yard.

[@stinkytoes5374]

Yeah I think it’s this or either he got kidnapped

[@rainbowseeker5930]

Those of us who have been following for years the events that happen continuously at the Skinwalker Ranch know damn well that there are around us - invisible to our eyes but quite audible to our ears, as close to us as a person walking side by side with us while we believe to be all alone - evil beings endowed with what we consider super-powers stalking humans and ready to snatch their victim the moment they see it all alone...and no one will ever find any trace of him/her again. Gone forever into oblivion. It's happened thousands of times all over the world, and it keeps happening today.

[@cl5uo]

Not going to lie, I got a little teary when you talked about the efforts of the community in trying to provide help to Garrett’s family. I’m from Utah as well, and my brothers and dad would go on these scouting trips all the time. It makes my blood run cold to even imagine anything like this happening to them while they were gone. I know you mentioned it, and I saw another comment talking about this but that community aspect is a big part of the Mormon church, and it’s heartwarming to see that even for all of the church’s faults there are still so many members who become aware of others in need and immediately jump in and do what they can to help. I know that there’s people like that all over as well, regardless of religion and whatnot but seeing a case so close to home really got to me haha.

[@ogmudbone8263]

He was fishing about 150 yards from camp where everyone else was. His father watched him make it about halfway back which means he was only about 75 yards or so from camp when he went missing and nobody heard or saw anything as is typical with these cases. And with him being that close it leaves a fairly small search area to find him and Not a single fiber of evidence found with over 500+ people looking at times. dogs cant trace a scent of his existence at all, no fishing pole and after all these years still no body. An animal attack would have been loud and messy leaving tons of evidence of a life and death struggle. An abduction would be basically impossible without someone seeing something. If he got lost and wandered off (which seems extremely unlikely with him being 75yards from camp which is easily in eye sight) why no scent trail at all and how far could he have went? Wouldn't 500+ people plus search dogs and helicopters find him in a 5mile radius? Again after years no body and not a single piece of evidence ever has been found. I thought maybe he accidentally drowned but then his body would have been found floating. I dont know what happened but what I do know is that these cases are crazy. Alot of them are explainable but theres definitely some that defy explanation. Theres one where a few guys are walking through the woods together and one guy keeps turning around every 2 mins or so to check on the last guy and make sure hes good. They were walking single file only a few feet apart. Next time he turns around the guy is gone. Never heard a sound. NOTHING just gone. They find one of the guys boots stuck in a barbed wire fence. Never saw him again. A grown man that's armed didnt get abducted especially a few feet away from his buddies. An animal would have made so much noise and would have to be huge to drag him away and they would have saw and heard the whole thing and saved him. So wtf happened to him? Alright I'm done.

[@onistgaming5177]

he probably fell between some rocks in one of those boulder fields or curled up somewhere small and hidden to get warm/sleep then never woke up.

[@lo0nyt0onz]

I agree. I will say in some cases if it's a river he was by a body can get wedged under the water, but idk what the water is like. My usual go to awnser are mine shafts and caves..the earth can swallow you hole and nobody will know and I firmly beleive it happens Alot more than we think.

[@tedolphbundler724]

He's in the lake. A body will sink in very cold fresh water.

[@Aryasvitkona]

Not all animal attacks would do all those things. Plenty of big cats kill, take to a safe place, and eat. And they're stealthy predators who go for the neck. You may not even know theres one nearby until it's teeth are in your neck. Someone else in the comments had a brother and his mother get stalked by presumably a cougar and followed. They only realised when they found the tracks walking back. They had no idea they were being hunted. Animals like that also wait for a moment when they're alone to strike. Garret may have been watched since waking that morning, and the moment he was alone was struck.

[@rainbowseeker5930]

Paulides repeats all the time : "Never be the last in line " or you're bound to disappear...just walk with someone else side by side. The snatchers never get anybody if there's another person that might witness the abduction.

[@Chipsnrips]

I grew up hiking and camping in this area, not only is it vast, but it’s very easy to get lost in those woods. I’ve accidentally walked past my camp site at least once every time I’ve camped there. The woods are thick, and sound does not carry very well. I think the poor kid simply missed his camp site and kept walking, or turned at the wrong time thinking he recognized some area. The way the grass grows up there makes it very hard to see things like old fallen trees and such. The poor kid probably walked until he slipped and fell, or tripped over a log and hit his head. tragic story all around.

[@DrDemented9885]

Occam’s razor, sir I think you’re very close to what happened the only other possibility that sounds feasible is that he went into somebody of water

[@imverytired1164]

I mean logically, there's a chance that his body is still there and it was just missed as it's not like bodies haven't been found in previously searched areas before. That said anyone saying it was a cougar can go suck a lemon, because there's no way it's not leaving enough blood around to be seen unless Garrett was the size of a rabbit.

[@roadhigher]

most people who go "Yeah a Mountain Lion probably took him" in these kinds of cases have never seen what a Mountain Lion attack looks like. Yeah they go for the throat and kill quickly, abut the throat is also where some of the highest pressure blood vessels are. There is no way a Mountain Lion killed somoone, left zero blood on the scene and left no tracks in the brush to where it dragged the body away to eat.

[@Infamouslbx]

@@roadhigher yup. I've come across mountain lion kills in those mountains more than once. They're not overly bloody, but I've found deer legs in pools of blood twice and kill sign plenty. I could believe a black bear took him, or possibly a grizzly as they have been seen and killed in the area but again, there'd be sign in those mountains.

[@manilamerkgaming]

@@Infamouslbx also, the fishing pole. They would have found that rosining pole

[@theNSA69420]

I was in scouts but never got lost because we always stuck in groups. The adult leaders would put a kid in charge, keep a head count, and try to be back by a certain time (usually lunch or dinner) and if you did get lost you sit and wait, don't look for shelter cuz you can get distracted and lost that way. Also don't yell non stop, yell, wait a couple minutes, yell again and you keep doing that. If your vocal cords are getting strained get a stick and smack it against a tree. Its loud as hell and can be heard pretty far. Main thing is just stay calm, and don't wander. Also water is much more important than food. Everything else is up to luck.

[@klospike]

Now finally, I have an explanation for the mysterious "wood knocks" reportet by Sasquatsch hunters ... Lost boy scouts ! :-) Hahaahha, Sorry, I couldn´t resist :-)

[@froginthewaves8450]

I believe that Garret may have kept on going in the wrong way, took shelter in a cave, got curious and ventured inside the cave, and might remain in the cave.

[@Sol-Cutta]

What without a torch ...u brave enough to go into a cave at 12...so it's raining u might go into entrance but go in deeper??!! Really??!

[@caitlynharbidge3056]

​@@Sol-Cutta if it was raining, he could've slipped and fallen deeper into the cave, it could've filled with water slowly, there's many possibilities

[@ukrpgfan4029]

@@caitlynharbidge3056 It was a Sasquatch.

[@Aryasvitkona]

​@@Sol-Cuttahe might have squeezed into a small cave to avoid the rain... And not been able to squeeze back out.

[@Sol-Cutta]

@@Aryasvitkona I still don't see it but hey , stranger things happen I guess...something I saw/read, as humans we tend to go for the most complicated conclusion where's in reality it's usually always the simplest one that's correct....🤔

[@camerondeedssr.4206]

If this disappearance happened in an area with a number of lakes, why were the lakes not searched? Would it not be possible that he wandered off and went fishing elsewhere seeing as his rod was also never recovered? Also, if the reason he went back to camp in the first place was he got his socks and shoes wet, then that shows he could easily have stumbled into the water elsewhere and disappeared. I may be missing something here, so feel free to correct me or provide your input.

[@tylerdavis3]

I thought the same thing. Some of these "into thin air" cases seem to actually be cases of, "into thick water".

[@Infamouslbx]

Most of these lakes aren't very deep, or wide, and have been dragged since for other bodies. Our largest lake on the state is 14 feet at its deepest, and averages 6 feet. Though the lakes mentioned here are deeper, they are easily dragged, and have been I'm sure. Source: my dad dragged the lakes around our state for bodies for years, and found many, many missing folks.

[@camerondeedssr.4206]

@@Infamouslbx ah ok, thank you for the reply. I found it odd it wasn't mentioned originally.

[@Infamouslbx]

@@camerondeedssr.4206 yeah, to be fair if I recall correctly a lake was dragged, but don't base any info on that possibly false memory. And like I said, these lakes are deeper, but they're not like anything like back east. I've been around this lakes most of my life, and they're easily dragged, so I'm sure at some point they were.

[@douggaudiosi14]

He prolly got snatched by predators. Mountain lions, coyotes, black bears maybe even a bob cat depending on how small he was. If a predator gets you they never find u

[@HAB-BITUAL]

I couldn't imagine losing your child like this. Absolutely terrifying.

[@mccoybyz1099]

I was thinking the exact same thing, and I cant imagine having to tell my wife I lost one of our children! No freaking way!

[@granddaddypurp7911]

@@mccoybyz1099she’d be pissed 😂

[@sammyeveret6401]

these videos always make me want to cry. I've got a load of younger brothers that are all pretty scatterbrained and always manage to wander off in stores and woods and such. my youngest brother is 10 right now and i can easily imagine him wandering off in the woods and never being found, and literally nothing scares me more than losing one of them. literally could not imagine how scary this would be to actually live it

[@dubsmith7]

I remember this happening, so sad. Many of the peaks in the Uinta's are surrounded by expansive boulder fields. It's not hard to lose your footing and fall into a void. A couple of years back, a gentleman went missing from his camp in Hidden Lake. He was found deceased the following year, not far from his camp. Despite searchers passing over him a number of times, he likely stumbled and couldn't get up, succumbed to the elements. For reference the Uinta's are pronounced You-in-ta's. Keep up the good work, I've been enjoying your content.

[@kayleeholt0712]

There are definetly people rhat gor stuck in crevices unde rocks, old mine shafts, sink holes, pits covered by fallen trees

[@izzisart]

Part of me wonders if there's any mines or caves/underground tunnels in the area and he maybe fell down a well hidden opening. If he was injured, knocked out or even killed by such a fall, that would explain why they never heard him cry out. He'd disappear fast- it'd be like the ground just swallowed him- be trapped easily, and it would be difficult to find.

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[@briannotseth21]

As someone who used to be a Boy Scout, if I got lost with my fishing pole, I would definitely keep it with me. I could use it to get food, And i could use the line for many different survival situations. Personally, I wonder if he had wandered off the trail on purpose to look at something he found curious. I know myself and several of my friends would sometimes do this even though it was incredibly stupid. One time we wandered maybe 100 feet from the main trail, and we almost lost our sense of direction to the point where we would have kept walking away from the camp. Thankfully, we found a break on the tree line where we saw smoke from the campsite a few miles away and were able to use that as a guide to understand our location make it back to the main trail.

[@amybeach2997]

9:10 Nice to hear someone praising the scouting association instead of blaming or criticism of them.

[@FRWHELAN]

Question: If Garrett was only going back to camp to change and then return to fish again, why did he take his pole with him?

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Great point and very strange indeed.

[@todddouglas2022]

All of these missing 411 cases are one of two things. Foul play, or animal predation after foul play. It’s that simple. Aliens aren’t abducting people. Big foot isn’t real. These people are being murdered by other people and then the original story is made up. Hence why nothing makes sense.

[@todddouglas2022]

Dad murked his son on purpose or accident somewhere completely away from where he claims they were fishing. Evidence was spread all over and then be made up the whole “we were fishing here and he vanished there” yes ok.

[@brycealthoff8092]

I assumed it was because he didn’t want to lose it or set it down where it could get damaged.

[@shanenice5380]

I blame he's dad.

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[@Briggattonii]

I thought we all knew what happens when you don’t look out for your battle buddy

[@versebuchanan512]

Hooah

[@dschnauzer11]

Have you seen the video Angry Cop has about not having your battle buddy?

[@Anomaly-uz9pr]

Roger

[@banzairunner7860]

What sticks out to me is that his father had to yell directions to him as he was walking back to the camp. He watched him to make sure he was taking the right path. This leads me to believe that he simply got lost and eventually succumbed to the elements. Once his panic set in, there’s no telling how many miles he covered trying to find the campsite. It’s very sad, and my heart goes out to Garrett and his family.

[@Idkdude761]

Being a scout it’s scary once we lost a kid and spent an hour looking for him luckily we found him but still never finding him would have been scary

[@exteriorpeak0815]

Did they check between the boulders in the boulder fields? Idk how far they were from where he went missing but if he slipped and fell between a space in the boulders and got stuck that would explain never being able to find a trace of him and if he had his fishing rod it’d likely be down there with him.

[@kayleeholt0712]

I think they probablg tried but it is hard to safely do so, and their are hard to see crevices, pits, sinkholes all over those mountains

[@exteriorpeak0815]

@@kayleeholt0712 imagine he’s just right there under everyone’s feet but no one can get to him 😮‍💨 it’s crazy to think about

[@Infamouslbx]

If you're ever in Utah I'd be glad to give you a tour of the Uintahs (pronounced You-in-tah, but you're close enough), as well as other areas I know you'd find interesting that are not only not well known, but I've never even seen mentioned on the internet, like Shadowhawk, Haunted Mesa, etc. I was raised in these areas, and know them super well.

[@gracieambrosio4967]

No way

[@ShekinahGwaii]

When my brother and cousin and I were still in the single digits, we used to wander the back acres in the Sierra foothills, and came across a resting mountain lion on the other side of a granite rock. We must have been downwind cuz it didn't know we were there, but we backed out and ran to the neighbor's (where we promptly got in trouble for trespassing) but it showed me early on how fragile and lucky we are, as humans we are very squishy and delicious to who knows what!

[@edrankin7001]

We had SAR dog when I was growing up and his nose absolutely amazed me training wise we would do all sorts of things to try to throw him off the scent and it didn't matter including going through creeks, up and down stream he may have had to circle a few times to pick up the scent but he did great. The fact that no scent is found is so strange. I had a 3 day lead of constant hiking trying to hide from him and he caught up to me surprisingly fast.

[@anthonywilliams9852]

A paedophile could have abducted him.

[@edrankin7001]

@anthony williams there would still be some form of scent trail atleast where they were

[@davidgriffin9412]

Great video. I was in the Boy Scouts back in the late 70s and was an assistant Scout master in the early 80s. One of the campgrounds we used to go to was at Grayson Lake resort park near Grayson KY. We would park the cars and hike into the camp site about 2 miles. We would regularly run around at night playing capture the flag and basically hid and seek. We would be running around alone in the woods at night. we didn't use a buddy system. We never gave a thought to running into anything in the woods.

[@Jane_8319]

Babe wake up, new Lore Lodge Missing 411 video just dropped

[@AidenRKrone]

Maybe he _did_ drop the fishing pole when he took off running after seeing a wild animal, but then somebody found it and, not realizing it was evidence, took it with them. Maybe hikers or campers unaffiliated with the Boy Scout troop were going through the area and found it and took it, thinking it was lost or mislaid property.

[@rezzyoffical8504]

Hey could you please cover Riker Webb? I don't think it falls under missing 411 but it's a really interesting story and I'm getting alot of conflicting information from credible sources. I think the mystery is right up your channels alley! He was found 3 miles away in different clothes, with some of the most severe shell shock I've ever seen.

[@wht-rabt-obj]

It's mind blowing that someone could disappear and leave absolutely NO trace whatsoever. Not a piece of clothing, a shoe, a track....nothing. HOW does that happen?

[@belindapaul9828]

There’s a mountain near me where this has happened to three or four adults. They’ve gone for a walk on the road and simply disappeared into the rainforest. Not a single trace of them has ever been found despite extensive searches. Like, nothing. Not even a hint about where they might’ve entered into the trees or whatever. There are no predators anywhere there either. So weird & suspicious.

[@psalmreader8049]

This happened to a real estate lady from Park City UT when she went hiking in Idaho. Zero trace of her in all the 3 years since she was reported missing. I’m thinking she was a victim of Bigfoot or human trafficking.

[@bryanwendland235]

@@psalmreader8049 Why would a bigfoot attack leave no trace of the victim? That's my biggest problem with the "bigfoot did it" theories to the vanished without a trace stories.

[@psalmreader8049]

@@bryanwendland235 because they are part human and probably will find uses for the stuff

[@DavidM-wn2cf]

There's more stories like this on the missing 411. It's crazy to me that the government doesn't keep a list of people who've gone missing in national parks or wilderness areas.

[@EsotericOccultist]

I like your straight forward delivery and style. Straight to the point with no sensationalism or filler content. I'm subscribing

[@cryptidonstrike]

It’s like Yoo-in-tuh, but you were very close and I respect the effort

[@maozebutter8633]

i’m glad there’s channels like this at least raising awareness for these strange disappearances that the government doesn’t seem to be investigating too much

[@douggaudiosi14]

What do u mean not investigating? They send out massive man hunts and usually have helicopters scout the area. What more do u want

[@sergiozammel8261]

In Missing 411 The US government has involved the FBI and even the Green Berets from Fort Brag in some of these searches. The US Government departments are well involved, and know much more than they are telling the public.

[@macvadda2318]

@@kpal2946 bruh they aint gunna kill a kid, especially in this case

[@catosicarius3262]

In high stress situations it is extremely common to deathgrip whatever is in your hands. You hyper focus on whatever is causing the stress and do conciously register the sensory inputs from your hands. You see it often with police or soldiers getting into sudden life or death confrontations (like holding their morning coffee while engaging in a gunfight). Garret definitely could have carried the fishing pole with him if he ran off thinking he was being chased.

[@jaynestrange]

That seems logical, I feel like if I was being chased/threatened I would hang on to whatever I was holding in case the person caught up to me I could maybe use it to hit them? A fishing pole wouldn't be a good weapon, but something is better than nothing.

[@mandalorianmama]

Definitely a head scratcher. There have been cases where people went missing and were found much later having fallen into hidden holes that were initially overlooked or covered by rock slides. Hopefully one day his remains will be found so the family can get some closure

[@lowstakesjayson]

It's reasonable explanation. Fell into a hole , crawled into a cave. When search parties come they canvass the ground area not deep into caves, flipping boulders or deep into holes. Maybe he crawled into a cave and died and something eats him carries him deeper into the cave. Any number of situations are more probable than skin walkers.

[@Alkinski]

Who was the last person to see Garrett alive? His father. Who was the last person to see both Garrett and his father together? All we know about how the things unfolded is from what his father said.

[@TheLoreLodge]

His dad spent a lot of time out there looking for him, it seems very unlikely that he did anything

[@Alkinski]

@@TheLoreLodge I'm trying to stay open-minded.

[@emilymartinko720]

I feel terrible thinking it, but one can’t help but wonder if the circumstances were maybe slightly different- could the father have lost track of time, left garret alone, or some other mistake? And then fudged the truth to make himself seem less culpable? The story does just strike me as odd. Not saying he did anything nefarious, maybe just didn’t relay the story perfectly. The simple explanation for why Garret couldn’t be found after so shortly going missing is that it wasn’t where/when he actually disappeared. Either way I hope he’s found and the family can get some answers eventually.

[@michaelmoran3372]

He was taken by a mountain lion. They can kill deer, even adults, with very little blood. Mountain lions usually drag their prey away immediately. The boy was probably dragged to higher ground and then up into a tree. MLs have been observed pulling adult deer up into trees. The fishing rod: perhaps it was caught up during the struggle. It likely went with him up into the tree.

[@monomiusami7032]

as a salt lake city native your pronunciation makes me chuckle ... :P thank you for covering these stories!

[@N0Faltz]

I heard buddy system and my Eagle Scout brain just had ALL the alarm bells go off. Great video, tragic story! Keep it up guys!

[@migglemaggle9500]

Responsibility in the woods? Let’s go look for a bear!

[@scarling9367]

When I lived in Guam, we went looking for a reported tiger shark off from the reefs.

[@maicey_t.]

Cant believe I haven't heard of this one. I love Missing 411 cases, and I'm from the same area, even growing up in Spanish Fork. Thank you for covering these stories.

[@karina-pf9tp]

Yesss I’ve been going thru the back log (back lodge??) - the 411 cases are so intriguing, and I really appreciate y’all’s attention to detail. -grad student in the Midwest, getting over an illness. cheers!

[@OGA103]

I'm sure the police took a long hard look at the dad but it's interesting that there's seemingly no info about how they ruled out foul play by him. I mean...did they ever drag the lake they were fishing at?

[@emilyhedgehog547]

All of these people going missing in forests really adds another meaning to the slogan 'Leave no trace'

[@RangoSledge]

Why is foul play by the parents never considered?

[@Mk-ly9re]

So I live near there and I’ll say those are the most interesting pronunciations I’ve ever heard, tbh I kind liked it😂. The pronunciation down here is ‘w aw satch’, and ‘you in tah’

[@DOCDOCFLAMINGOS]

Just my 3¢......BUT..... I feel the fishing pole is a major thing in the whole storyline!!!?!!!?? In that I question why he took his fishing pole with him back to the camp?? As he was just going to go change his socks and shoes have a bit of breakfast and then go back to meet up with his dad again to continue fishing. So to me that just sticks out as odd that he would take his fishing pole with him rather then leave it with his dad who we as still fishing while he was gone. And where he planned to come back to so they could continue fishing?!?! And lastly being that his father was the last person to see him before he disappeared.... Was the father ever questioned or investigated as the mostly likely suspect in the boys disappearance or did they just take him at his word with the story and only ever considered it a missing persons case??!!??

[@LordVex47]

I about burst into tears when I heard how much the community helped. Poor kid.

[@CordellPotts]

Someone took him. Someone who looked at a Scout camping trip like a field of strawberries. They found it so easy to get away with, they waited a year and did it again.

[@xKinjax]

Thank you for telling these stories properly. I've heard this story told from multiple KZbin channels and the All make it sound like the camp was literally in sight once you turned that corner and that there was a road from the fishing spot to the camp. The way they make it sound is like the boy vanished in thin air the moment he turned the corner which is ridiculous. I think think there's a high chance the boy got taken by a predator but of the human variety.

[@johnchedsey1306]

My biggest problem with anyone suggesting supernatural reasons is that there isn't any evidence for it. A lack of "normal" explanations is not evidence, after all. We're just missing some key clues.

[@jbee1116]

Idk if it's too taboo but s-traffkingVctms have described being moved thru cavesystems and their handlers always looking for more supplytosell.😞

[@OdyG1821]

You guys should make a buddy system shirt.

[@jerrywbrice]

A person is so small, and nature is so vast.. Chances are he was frightened by something and ran off into the unknown. Perhaps he may have been chased, therefore he went far and did not stop until he could not continue. If he was in fact chased by an animal then he may have ran and encountered a body of water, then perhaps had the tragic thought that if he were to go out into the water the predator will not follow him in. What about the other scouts? Was there ever any investigation into the possibility that either a prank gone wrong or some other form of human interaction may have caused this scenario to unfold? Or is it that because they are Mormon and in the scouts that they are above suspicion?

[@KyleLyre13]

Stephen King once wrote about a character who discovered "the highways in hiding". Upon crossing one of these highways, he found himself in an adjacent world. Almost the same, but a few details mixed around, and these "highways" are often either in places of transition or in less populated spaces. Maybe he's fine chilling with his alt. family and he's none the wiser.

[@mzlww]

Oooh, which book,

[@KyleLyre13]

@@mzlww the reference I'm thinking of comes from the fifth Dark Tower novel

[@leviwarren6222]

Really thankful my family let me wander when I was young. It was really important to my survivability in the woods.

[@Princess_Celestia_]

Yeap, when I was in the scouts we never went anywhere without a buddy. Though I only tolerated it because I found having someone to carry my stuff for me, if not for that, I'd prefer to be alone.

[@kevina.7234]

The fishing pole is the key for me. It means he was either abducted or he was never there. Given the location, it likely wasn't an abduction so if he was never there, you have to look at the father.

[@katemaloney4296]

Point made and taken, but where could the father have hidden the body without the dogs finding it?

[@kevina.7234]

@@katemaloney4296 there are many lakes in the area, they were fishing at one obviously. If he was killed, intentionally or accidentally, then weighed down and put in to the lake, it could explain why the dogs had no scent to follow out of the area. The dogs would only have the scent of him in camp and around the lake with nothing to follow. We know he got his shoes wet. An angry abusive father giving him a backhand for "ruining his shoes" could have killed him and everything after that outburst explained by a guilty father. Specifically speaking to the fishing pole, the father could have chucked it into the lake to make it look like Garrett walked back with it. Which btw is something I'm not sure a kid "running back to change his shoes, eat, and come back" would have done anyways.

[@mzlww]

Also even if the lake was dragged, do we ok now for certain there even were 2 fishing poles? Sadly I know a ton of abuse tactics, one of them is to make up lies about every detail, and, because humans are naturally trusting, they aren’t questioned. I bet the cops thought of it but couldn’t prove it so had to drop it. But yeah, maybe there were 2 fishing poles and maybe one the real question is why would you take a. Fishing pole back to change your socks when your dad was awaiting your return to do more fishing??

[@toocooltobecruel]

This 💯💯

[@MrCombatmedic00]

The “battle buddy” system in the military is more about making sure no one goes AWOL or deserts, than ensuring no one gets lost. The primary reason this worked so well in basic training was the deep fear and dread the Drill Sergeant instilled amongst the ranks.

[@fotty96]

When I was a kid, probably about 12, my dad thought it was a good plan to make bear noises in the bush to scare me and my friend. We jumped off some rocks into the pacific ocean in January to try to 'hide'.... so I could imagine him freaking out and running without thinking... 🤔 so scary how people can go missing in the blink of an eye. Poor boy 🩷

[@nuckinfuts7610]

Wow, the volume level at the very end painfully snuck up on me. Good Gawd. I typically like to listen all the way thru, but as much as I love and support this channel, that's the last time I do that. I'm bouncing mad early now. Holy sheeit. 😣

[@coffee_addicted_demogorgon]

Oh god the shirt and background for the school picture 2:12 is the same ones I had on for 3rd grade school pictures

[@graciesugarbee]

I've been binging these and I wanted to share my "experience" with the woods/camping. When I was around 1 my family went camping and took me too, my mom was with me 99.9% of the time, she sat me down on a blanket after giving me a bath, she walked away to get my bottle ready and a bear showed up and went to the car, breaking into it and then turning towards me. My dad jumped in front and somehow fought the bear??? He's got a giant scar going from one shoulder down to the opposite hip. I obviously have no recollection of this given how young I was and the story could've been very exaggerated by them.

[@trevnti]

Probably not paranormal, like many missing cases where we end up finding the answers, such as the female hiker who went missing… dogs couldn’t find her scent, was found a few months later under a rock slide after a few rocks had been displaced… the guy who went missing in the desert, seemingly out of no where, found awhile later down a random well that had long been covered by brush, that was very accidentally discovered because somebody else almost fell in it, or the hunter who went missing when a rock sheered off and crushed him found a long time later. There probably an explanation that’s outside the box

[@michaelrooney5936]

Watching these vids make me wonder if I was ever close to becoming one of these stories

[@kristinsevin]

This poor boy! And those poor parents! These cases break my heart when it involves children. As a parent, you cant help but think about how scared they must have been, or really just any terrible possibility runs through your mind. And i can imagine this was true for his parents also. Im sure they even still feel this way to this day. So they are absolutely in my prayers. I pray they find some kind of peace and maybe even some kind of answer to help ease their minds and their hearts. Im glad they had a whole community rallying behind them for this so they didn't have to face this tragedy alone. While i lean more towards a paranormal explanation, maybe he walked through some form of open window or doorway between our world and another, i also think i probably prefer that possibility over the other options. As unlikely as it might be, it's definitely more comforting (as comforting as it can be in these cases) than the other possibilities such as kidnapping or predators grabbing him or even freezing or starving to death. Idk. Its really hard to say when it comes to these cases. Thats what makes them so captivating i think.

[@herstoryanimated]

Some extra (alleged) info: people are saying there's a lot of old mine shafts in that area, possible to fall down them, or to seek shelter and get lost/fall down inside them. I also read one self-proclaimed volunteer (so pinch of salt required) said there was a very unassuming looking stream, that another searcher through a 4ft log into (they were bored whilst waiting for another search team to catch up to them) and it completely disappeared and didn't resurface. I am trying to see if anyone claiming to be involved will clarify exact locations. ETA: Some things that really bother me about this case. 1. We only have his father as a witness. 2. The father alleges he missed the trail and he had to shout instructions, but didn't think to get up/go with. 3. There is now an approximate map someone who was compiling data created, you can also see pictures taken by people along this route. The terrain is rough, the trail difficult to make out, and there's no way you can see someone on the trail for anywhere near the alleged distance the father claimed to have watched him. 4. He should have been able to hear the campground even if he couldn't see it, if there's a load of boys running around playing games. 5. The father says he headed back to camp after his son didn't return, he says he heard a faint 'Dad?' but didn't call out as it was the wrong direction- I get people make mistakes, but you know your son struggled to find a trail, you kept shouting instructions to help him find it, and when he doesn't show you are worried enough to go looking, BUT NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS, even if it was the 'wrong direction' - at this point you don't know he's not lost on the way back. Nor do you know it isn't someone else's lost child, but you don't reply, at all?! 6. You set up a foundation to help other lost people, with pages of dedicated information for each if them, you don't put any information about your son/his case on it. 7. Why take the fishing rod? He's coming back to fish with you, why would he carry the rod to camp and back? Maybe this guy is just a moron, I just really hope someone fully checked out his story. Also I just found a comment from someone alledging they were a searcher, who says it was #2 lake they fished at, and were camped in a meadow between #1 and #2. Which does make some sense as there's really no good area to pitch up around #4 that you can see on any photos anyway. This could make some of the photo evidence less valid, but there seems to ve no consistency I can find about which lake is genuinely which.

[@jlipinski78]

A kidnapper could have said he would give him a ride or "take him back" and might have known if he left the fishing pole he knew searchers would find it. Being a father that is the worst thing that could happen, hopefully he makes it home one day...

[@206or16]

Very unlikely scenario. Why would a kidnapper go to all the trouble of hiking into the wilderness in hopes of finding someone to kidnap?

[@risingstar4196]

Most likely he was kidnapped by someone he knew. That could be why there was no blood , no sign of struggle, and the fishing pole was not found.

[@sujimtangerines]

That was my first thought as well. It's too neat with NOTHING left behind.

[@silver474]

Or he fell into a mine shaft, or a collapsed part of a mine.

[@cd5433]

Parents

[@user-wj4sc3zk1k]

Two possibilities: 1-Garrett drowned in one of the several lakes and his body sank to the bottom, which is why they need to search these lakes with sonar and divers. 2-Garrett became lost on the way back to the campsite, kept walking/wandering, and arrived at the closest main road. Here a driver offered him help and abducted him.

[@brookswade5774]

Since his dad was the only one to see him last, how do we know he didn’t do something to Garrett? That always bothers me when there’s no one else around.

[@maximumzach5214]

Ive been binging your videos for a few weeks now. Keep up the good work. I went from Mr. Ballen to Wendigoon to you. Im still watching Wendigoon of course, but appreciate the different style of content. Keep up the good work, youve educated me greatly!

[@MrSparky4101]

Took me too long to realize you were saying Uinta. You-in-tah. I'm from the same town as Garrett. Sad sad times.

[@littlesofty01]

i grew up going to the uintas with family property every other week end id go off all the time we had no trails on our land, I'm now a 60 yo Grandmother, yes it can be easy to get lost BUT in a camp ground not so much they have established paths

[@callmedoc2147]

Just an idea.... what if he went the wrong way initially intentionally? He had to be corrected to walk back and turn towards the camp. Perhaps after turning out of sight he walked off the trail to correct course to his original course. Kept the fishing pole as an alibi to not be at camp but wet shoes for not being fishing. Could have had plans to meet up with someone considering teenager and end of summer, turning into a possible ''voluntary'' kidnapping or run away situation

[@nomadmax6192]

This channel is my favourite channel on KZbin I love the detail and effort put into each one especially the recent video about the boy in the box, Keep up the amazing context aiden&aiden

[@perturbedbatman2009]

I think the kid just got lost. His dad even had to shout at him, within viewing distance, that Garret was heading the wrong way to camp. If he had little education about forests and survivability, as seems to be the case, it can be extremely easy for a kid to become lost. The situation deteriorated as time went on and, while I don’t know every aspect of the story and location, I can’t say that it was an animal or much less something “paranormal” which caused his complete disappearance. He probably was holding on to the fishing pole but he might not have been able to find a place to fish or something kept him from trying. Given the relatively harsh climate, he might not have been alive after 2 or 3 days, and especially after it snowed.

[@grahamwilson5133]

We are told he vanished on the short walk back but only have one person saying this. As they left early to fish, nobody knew where he was for many hours and possibly the night before. If Garrett planned to return why did he take his rod with him and not leave it with his father? That's what most people would do. The story seems suspect from the very opening if you look at it as foul play.

[@TheAdequateMedia]

the guy who claimed ownership of the sock in the boulder field was probably the murder living out the cliche of "helping to find the victim"

[@thattimestampguy]

*August 20, 2004, Yintawa National Forest* 🌳 0:12 Cold Conditions 🥶 0:36 Boy Scout Troop 694 is Camping in The National Forest. 🏕 🏕 🎣 Father - Kevin Bardsley Boy - Garrett Bardsley 3:24 Garrett got his shoes and socks wet 🎣 💧 👟 🧦 *Describe Garrett* 4:22 5’ 115 lbs light brown hair. • Black quicksilver hoodie. • Red and Black Sweatpants *The Search for Garrett Bardsley* 5:08 WHERE IS GARRETT!!? ‼️⁉️⚠️❕ 5:27 18 Boy Team search for Garrett 7:28 Find the Bear 🐻 9:37 Bring in the Helicopter 🚁 10:31 The Rain 🌧 would freeze 🥶 Garrett’s body *Desperate Sunday* 😭 ❄️ 12:26 Nike Sock found 🧦 13:22 Dogs 🐶 🐶 🐶 14:03 1,000 man search. 14:33 Father Kevin keeps looking. 👀 🔎🕵️‍♂️ 15:44 Salt Lake Community rallies around this family. 16:18 Brendan Hawkins goes missing!!! ⚠️❕⁉️ Brendan FOUND 😭✅ *And To This Day* 17:26 Nothing has been found. 18:48 Ergo, time for conspiracy theories. The Skinwalker 19:53 It seems hard to come to that conclusion What do you think, comment section? 20:18 Thanks to the supporters, and everyone who puts this channel together. Thanks Aidan.

[@Briggattonii]

We love time stamp guy, dont we folks?

[@qijiy]

This is advanced timestamps wow

[@bagsofloud9994]

Blessing in disguise. Never stop doing this

[@01SaltyWitch]

Hi, Utah here, it’s Uinta (You-In-Tah) National Forest. These time stamps are great

[@TheLoreLodge]

Wait no thank you this is so cool

[@GracieVeeVee]

Just found this channel yesterday and I love it! I am a senior doing my undergrad in history with a minor in medieval studies and I am currently looking at masters programs in medieval history so it is incredibly inspiring to see someone going into my field and applying their skills to their passions. I really needed to see that! From one medievalist to another, keep up the excellent work!

[@nchan4679]

This one is like top 5 most baffling. He was so close to not be found, i hate the whole portal/dimension discussion i find it rediculous, but i truely feel something subterranean is going on.

[@James_Sunderland_]

If you ever run out of interesting 411 cases or just get burnt out on them you should consider covering cave accident stories. I think your style of storytelling would be a refreshing take on it. Most youtubers who cover that sort of thing do it in a documentary style without facecam with stock footage, and I think a more personal approach would be nice to see. Although, there isn't much mystery to those accidents usually so it might not fit your style completely

[@jsmith434w]

i dont know ever fact of course, but its shocking to hear a more complete story than those fiction channels. thanks for being truthful about tragedies like this. im thinking he may have tried to run like you said, and then took shelter where the dogs cant keep his scent, but a wild animal found him. this could explain a lot of missing 411 cases. i dont know enough about people who HAVE been found or survived to say for certain that someone could just make 1 bad decision under pressure, and statistically, some of these people will be difficult to find and some of those simply wont be.

[@AquaSteez]

i remember being in boy scouts at philmont scout ranch hiking a quarter mile by myself back to camp in the middle of the night. scarier than pelagic night diving in hawaii

[@jeffiedone]

Im not sure if its a national standard within BSA but the patrol leader telling the boys to look as though it is life or death was definitely how seriously we treated it in my district. In fact the moment a troop realized they were missing a single person, not just a pair, the search was on. Immediately camp staff would check with other troops to see if they too had one boy missing, because that was a decent sign that maybe those two boys met at a merit badge class or something and paired up there. As part of my lifeguard/swim instructor training we were actually taught how to do body checks in the water and if a kid went missing, all swim staff had 15 min to ready up at the lake we used and if the boy had not been found in that time, we would start performing a body check across the length of the lake. Another instance, I was one of 4 patrol leaders at national jamboree and had one boy, from my patrol, not show up to a meet up point after an event. I was admittedly not taking it too seriously, the head scoutmaster had the SPL cut off my patrol leader patch and told me I could earn it back when I found the boy and if I did not find him in 15 minutes, I would lose Patrol Leader status entirely for the duration of the trip. Thankfully I found him in 5 minutes by the porta jons, trading patches with another scout. After a verbal lashing, the Scoutmaster sowed my patch back on and i gave that boy and his buddy dish duty, which i helped them with since it was my fault too. Needless to say, we took missing scouts very serious.

[@anniehills3580]

You have a good voice for radio!😊