The FBI Refused to Investigate His Disappearance | Missing 411

[@TheLoreLodge]

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[@bobby24ross]

1st comment haha 85 minutes early actually.

[@Chesterfield.Esquire98]

@@bobby24ross bruh why do people think this is important? I’m legitimately asking because I don’t understand why people think it matters. (Not beefing just genuinely curious) is it about the validation of others your seeking when commenting those types of comments? What’s too be gained from it?

[@bobby24ross]

@@Chesterfield.Esquire98 To be honest I don't know what the allure of bein the first to comment truly is. I often wonder about the same things you asked me. The reason why I did it was because I clicked on the video and n realized it was set to premiere in 85 minutes and so i thought it was funny that I claimed to be first since the video had yet to even be released. I think for the 'serial first comment' type of person it is a small feelin of achievin a form of internet clout because often those comments get lots of likes or comments. So that's my two cents. Hope you have a blessed weekend.

[@Chesterfield.Esquire98]

@@bobby24ross thank you for explaining my brother in my mind your “first” comment is worth more then anyone else’s I understand the meme now thank you 😂🫡

[@Ilovemydogsomuchicouldcry]

@@bobby24ross honestly I'm happy for you 🎉🥳🥳

[@mitchellvalentin7830]

The main thing to take away from this episode is “who was Charles senior?!”

[@TheLoreLodge]

Ngl that was my biggest question the whole way through but I simply had no time to research it

[@trppytoes7506]

@@TheLoreLodge can we please get a video on him at some point or at least a summary if you get the time?

[@Angl0sax0nknight]

I kept thinking CIA

[@____________838]

Operation Paperclip?

[@ozzyhouston2535]

The deceased overheard his daddy talking about Bigfoot, and went out to investigate? Or, daddy knew about UFO's entering and exiting the lake. The boy captured them on film, and some evil person decided he had to go.

[@tessfabled4115]

The missing camera and apparent coverup makes me think that he managed to take a picture of something he wasn't meant to - or at least someone thought he did.

[@LynnAgain83]

Yep, OR hikers took it.

[@GGhi8976]

nah hikers wouldn't just take that and the other things because they'll have to hide it + people generally don't wanna steal from crime scenes. Frankly Charles most likely didn't ever enter the park because it was closed they didn't question the lodge enough tbh.@@LynnAgain83

[@victory8928]

Or it just sank into the mud. The rangers who found his body had to use a metal detector to find the cans he had with him. So the camera which would be heavier sank deeper than they could detect it

[@jordanwellbrock730]

@@victory8928 improbable. Metal detectors got a HUGE upgrade in the 70s, allowing detection downwards of 3 meters, as well as being able to isolate certain minerals. So the camera, in the span of two years, would have to sink over 9.5 feet, which is practically impossible for the Crater Lake Park, as that deep of sinkage usually only occurs in tropical jungle regions. So unless CLP got enough rain to match the Amazon, the chances of the camera sinking that deep are infinitesimally small.

[@calliewalsh7058]

If I ever go missing I really hope someone like Charles Sr cares enough to do even half of what he did.

[@spinsterwitch1]

Charles Evan McCullar (who you reference as Charles Sr) was born in 1926. He mustered into the US Navy when he was 19 as a Seaman's Apprentice on the USS Denebola. That ship was decommissioned the next year, 1946. By the time he married his wife in 1952, he listed his employment as US Army (his wife's was listed as US Navy). I cannot find a listing for the 1950 US Federal Census. He eventually achieved the Army rank of Master Sergeant. This is the highest military rank for an NCO in the Army and, as such, commands a great deal of respect within the military. This gives us a clue that he was career military. He last lived in Fairfax, VA and died 14 Oct 1998. There may be an obituary in a local newspaper for him which may detail his career, but it is not digitized so you would have to check with the local libraries. This is if you are still interested. This was, by the way, a relatively cursory search of genealogical databases, if you ever need to find info like this again. Interesting case.

[@SumTr011]

Excellent work, thank you.

[@Grizz1yKi11a]

One correction, even if its late. Master Sergeant is not the highest NCO rank in the Army, Sergeant Major is (technically COMMAND Sergeant Major of the Army is, but that's more of a position rather than a rank). Master Sergeant is the intermediate rank after First Sergeant, but before they find a position to put you in as a Sergeant Major. Other than that, great job!

[@justarandomguy5833]

In addition, on the Marriage Record, his address is listed within a close proximity to the Pentagon. For an Army man in that area, it’s very likely he was working in the Pentagon and that’s how he knew people in powerful positions.

[@justarandomguy5833]

Edit to my original: if you look at the muster papers from the Denebola, McCullar is noted twice as being received from the USS Muir (DE-770) and then transferred to naval station Portland, Maine on the same day. It would appear that the Denebola was a destroyer tender and that McCullar Sr. served aboard the USS Muir until Feb. 22nd 1945 as a member of the U.S. Navy Reserve.

[@johnvaughan8239]

I think it really was more of a case of the FBI not having legal jurisdiction over the type of case being investigated. The FBI doesn’t investigate murders or missing people

[@reidwallace4258]

Hi, Canadian camper here. A lot of good points here, but one thing I feel needs to be pointed out. If he had a large sheet of building poly or other such plastic tarp with him, in the snow he effectively had a tent. Any tree and a few sticks can turn a tarp into a fine single man tent with ya have a good warm sleeping bag, and it is MUCH easier to get yourself out of if, say, you are camping alone and it starts snowing heavily in the night. I'd much rather be under a simple tarp, able to get out in ANY direction, than trapped in a tent burried in snow. Also, if it isn't actively snowing, ya just embrace your inner 12 year old, make a sick snow fort while your dinner cooks, and bed down with a tarp between you and the snow. Winter camping is magical, if it was snowing a lot it wasn't that cold, I'd happily sleep outside in that sorta weather with a good sleeping bag and a tarp... within walking distance of a warm bed and with a cellphone, because I'm old and smart, but still, its not fundementally extreme camping. Oh, last thing in my one thing reply. If he fell in the water its... overly confident I'd say to just say 'he would have tried to change his clothes'. He would have, unless he was exhausted and lost when he fell in, barely dragged himself out, and fell asleep in a moment of exhausted weakness as they joy of 'oh thank god I'm not going to drown' washed over him... I have personally seen people that fell in cold water off a boat pass out in minutes, with people telling them to stay awake, shaking them... a frozen river, tired and alone? Wilderness survival training doesn't make ya super human.

[@reidwallace4258]

Also, my gut feeling on this whole case is mob relation. I think the guy blew the whistle on himself early asking about hoffa, I think that was an ex mobster, likely in witness protection, who's son just disapeared, maybe saying 'Look, I cant deal with this myself anymore, you are meant to, you are looking into hoffa, you promised to look after me, look into this so I dont fucking have to'. From there we see the dance between and FBI that either thinks (as I must admit I do) that this kid died by exposure on an young dumb adventure, and now has to deal with an ex mobster convinced it was a hit... OR an FBI that knows some shit went down, but has its hands tied by... well... insert shady FBI tomfoolery of your choice really.

[@naiani9033]

That makes no sense at all. Why would an ex-Mobster be buried in Arlington, and be THAT well connected? @@reidwallace4258

[@memphiswaspmafia]

@@reidwallace4258 A mobster that works at the Pentagon that’s buried with military personnel? wtf are you talking about?Lol you kids and your imaginations

[@nickb1762]

@@reidwallace4258… stop listening to your gut

[@CrazyGoose2704]

I also was thinking as someone who lives in the mountains and we often get over 5-7 feet every winter the snow could have crusted over and he would only have to post hole a couple inches while tiresome it’s not like it’s impossible to think someone in shape could do it. I hate it but if you’re scared for your life or lost you’ll wander pretty far without realizing then like you were saying fell into the creek and just passed out when he got out.

[@mmacutgirl8]

This is heart breaking. To be buried at Arlington means that man gave his entire life to his country, I know bc my dad is buried there. Yet his country couldn't be bothered to help him find his son. Just awful.

[@comradeurod9805]

Land of the free, Home of the brave. Unless you inconvenience government officials, because sadly they also live there.

[@Hammerback0]

Appreciate your dad for serving our country, hope he rests well with his fallen peers. ❤. Sorry for your loss.

[@erockstoenescu6171]

He was definitely a high-ranking pentagon/CIA official that’s how he met chucks mom who also worked at the pentagon

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

And people wonder why nobody wants to sacrifice for this country anymore. It's because they treat us like garbage and they always have. Even back in World War I and II they never treated soldiers right and that's why I will never die for this country

[@Aryasvitkona]

@@erockstoenescu6171 "prominent person from virginia" who was extremely good at survival and also seems to have barely existed to the point of being all but removed entirely from the files screams "he was a spook" to me

[@Sarah-km4uq]

Realistically Charles Senior gave his life, career and even his son for his country and they couldn't even give him the honour or dignity of investigating his sons very obviously seeming death by foul play. He went to his grave not knowing and quite frankly whether that's 50 years ago or 5, they both deserve justice.

[@number3766]

If it was the Mob or the local government, they aren't gonna snitch on themselves. It ain't right, but when has that ever stopped people?

[@nobody2021]

He must have completely lost any faith in the competence and moral fortitude of the government that he sacrificed so much for. How could you not

[@melvin768]

That isour secret government everyone is expendable to them , if they further investigated it would expose them.

[@jamie91995]

His death is really suspicious, but I'm not willing to say foul play. He was in such a remote place after there was so much snow that I find it near impossible that he came across someone else, let alone someone who wants to hurt him.

[@bloodyneptune]

@jamie91995 Im not willing to say that either, but I think the theory is that it was a targeted attack related to his dads job in some way (otherwise why would they cover anything up - if they did). So it wouldn't be him just happening upon someone who was dangerous, but the dangerous person followed him

[@PRENTISSVAUGHNN]

I really love the personality, accountability, research, time, and humor in this one man.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Thank you!

[@kyleedler9081]

Same! Idk why I enjoyed this one so much more

[@megansslore]

He's lovely 🥰

[@jamesknapp64]

Was very well done.

[@spookyskelly5276]

Don't forget the other Aiden.

[@n2da9]

despite all the sad things, it’s nice to see how parents can love their child so much

[@TimyTims]

It's a beautiful thing. I've got a year and a half old that's become my best friend!

[@milhousevanhoutan9235]

I guarantee you that pathologist report originally said "While the evidence available shows no indication of foul play, given the completeness and state of the remains it cannot be ruled out completely" and the cause of death was originally marked as "undetermined" until he was pressured to mark a cause of death by someone to "give closure to the family." I know several pathologists and according to them this happens shockingly often to this day, they say that nothing is hated more than an "undetermined" cause of death.

[@vimerveilles]

Charles Sr. was a certified badass who just wanted justice for his son and if he had to go hike through a national park, or harass congress, he'd do it. Idk what we do know about him is that he loved his son and he was ready to throw tf down in his memory and I respect him. RIP Charles Sr and his son.

[@alannabanana6255]

Thank you for using Bigfoot as a unit of measurement. Really helped me with translating imperial to metric.

[@madsfiedler3884]

ikr?? this is why americans dont use actual units of measurement, we use real things weve seen to quantify distance/size ^-^

[@St.Linguini_of_Pesto]

Oh, you two are a hoot, @Alanna Banana & @Mads Fiedler. We measure height/distance/length by Bigfoot and weight by boxes of doughnuts.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Are we talking average bigfoots or maximum bigfoots? And alaskan, canadian or rocky bigfoot?

[@wernerrojo7321]

I also found that useful.

[@danorris5235]

​@@madsfiedler3884 Seriously can't tell if you're highest level troll I've encountered in months or don't know how the measurement system was actually formed. Either way, I feel like I'm outclassed here.

[@willoughstewart2226]

I'm amazed the mention of Agartha didn't immediately summon Wendigoon to your location

[@ollies1st446]

careful, even typing that may summon him

[@jackmeyers7805]

I'm imagining him ripping his way through the wall like in 28 Weeks Later.

[@vincebunches8374]

@@jackmeyers7805 (Giants Segway incoming) or in other news GIAAN-

[@eagleactual321]

He has protection wards in the studio

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Wendi did appear behind the camera, but Lore Lodge knows better than to acknowledge him, lest he meet with a terrible fate.

[@MsBELLE7]

I'm sorry my mind is absolutely blown by the Klamath people's origin story and how long they have kept that story alive? I've been to Crater Lake a few times and it's stunning.

[@Gnome-kc7pr]

Really fascinating that people witnessed such an event as the implosion of a volcano, i bet that would have religious significance

[@jturtle5318]

They also counter the theory that they came to North America through an inland ice-free corridor and instead traveled in boats along the coastline, and since that coastline is now submerged it has been hard to find archeological evidence, but some has been found verifying the accuracy of their history.

[@Laudanum-gq3bl]

My dad served two tours in Vietnam. Details of records were lost for fifty years, then suddenly were found. Same happened to a lot of service members from that war. I am unsurprised by most government antics, including how many people the government has no record of. It seems to be a specialty.

[@eatonknass247]

Those records were never lost. They just pertained to places we weren't supposed to be or claimed not to be at the time. Cambodia and such

[@NormandyFoxtrot]

@@eatonknass247 I have some experience digging through military archives and the reality is the military over classifies the hell out of everything and after 5-10 years basically doesn't give a shit about the records they have to keep, huge amounts of the military archive are just unmarked, unsorted, boxes full of random shit. Like finding something often amounts to randomly filing to pull random boxes out and trying to narrow down based on their content when you are in the right time period and department of boxes.

[@KyleLyre13]

I come from a military family, and when I was 8 my dad said he'd asked my grandpa once if he was special forces. His response was "Even if I was, you couldn't prove it." He was a Colonel btw.

[@sdivine13]

Does no one understand they have identifying badges and unit patches? Like it's very easy to prove they were special forces.

[@LynnAgain83]

Very cool! My grandpa fought in the Korean war.. I admittedly don't know much about him except bits and pieces.

[@Aryasvitkona]

@@sdivine13 If you're special enough forces, you were never even enlisted. The type of groups who do operations in countries where operations are not being done and there is no operation paperwork.

[@jturtle5318]

​@@sdivine13a WWII vintage German man who barely spoke English and had no service record in his chart qualified for care at the VA Medical Center where I worked.

[@Chaossidy-117]

​@@sdivine13hahahaha not always dude. If you actually think that you should go do some research.

[@bread4108]

This channel is insanely underrated. To be this committed to getting the most factual story possible as well as making it funny and enjoyable to watch ALSO while still recognizing the concerns about the darkness of the story is genuinely impressive. I cannot thank Wendigoon enough for doing the Dennis Martin colab so I could find this absolute gem of a channel.

[@bread4108]

@@pyewackett5 I mean they do often take shots at Paulides but to me it gives off more of a banter vibe than genuinely making fun of him. Plus they fairly often after making one of those jokes will give credit to paulides. It might not be as much as he deserves, but to be fair they rarely use his research and don’t really have a reason to give him a lot of credit in every 411 video.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@pyewackett5 I used to be very quick to jump to David's defense, and if you take a look through our podcast from a couple weekends ago, you'll hear me explain my opinion on him at length. He's done great work, but there are flaws in it and it's okay to point those out. Same concept as peer review.

[@pyewackett5]

@@TheLoreLodge How very kind of you to take time out in order to reply to my comment. I wish you luck on yr channel .

[@gregoryvn3]

@@pyewackett5 You're leaving KZbin over this? Won't be bothering this site again? Wow, bit of an extreme reaction regarding someone you are supposedly indifferent about, but you do you. 🙄

[@pyewackett5]

@@gregoryvn3 Just the channel. As if it's any business of anybody else's.

[@Elemarth]

"It seems plainly obvious to any person with at least three braincells that this was foul play, but since the entire FBI has only two braincells to share, they couldn't figure that out."

[@TheLoreLodge]

Personally I think this is one of my better quotes

[@St.Linguini_of_Pesto]

@@TheLoreLodge it's a burn that _definitely_ deserves a mic drop.

[@scowler7200]

Yeah, the ATF and DEA split the third...

[@number3766]

They have many more braincells. Unfortunately, most of them are focused on attacking and wounding the american people. If it dosen't have anything to do with making our lives objectively worse, they don't care.

[@faxenmacher4633]

@@TheLoreLodge It is indeed a good quote. I think these three letter organisations tend to epitomise high intelligence but low wisdom and chaotic neutral... They might have a million different ways to set a you on fire but they never stop to consider if you're standing in an orphanage.

[@adventurelifestylefilmcomp4048]

My guess on why the FBI looked into the checks was that they internally had suspicions that there was foul play involved and were looking into the possibility that someone cashed the checks. All while stonewalling Charles Sr. in hopes that he would stop corresponding with them. This leads me to believe either Charles Sr had enough pull to have the case continue to be investigated by another department of the FBI or the FBI was checking with BOA to make sure that whoever did kill Charles Jr didn’t cash the checks. Which would lead me to believe they knew who it was and were covering for them. Whether that was someone in the FBI/GOV or someone connected through a case or who was an informant. This whole case reeks of misconduct and trying to bury it

[@victory8928]

Or they were trying to use it to try to track the killer/kidnapper down and didn’t want Sr involved due to fears that it was related to the family in some way so informing them might put the search into jeopardy.

[@steffaniebrugieregarde5261]

Considering his father was such a prominent person, it is possible that the son was also recruited into the line of work that the father was in and had an 'accident'. Since we have no clue what the father did, but it's clear he trained his son well enough to know what he was capable of, maybe whoever employed the father also secretly employed the son. That could be why the FBI refused to investigate the death of the son, because they knew how he died. Maybe the bones that were found we NOT the sons, but claimed to be so the father would stop pressuring them to look into his son's death. Sounds to me like this is a giant cover up. The father had a secret life, and was clearly very good at what he does if he could talk people into doing things.

[@seanheaney8303]

Most likely he was CIA... at a very very important time in CIA history....

[@jturtle5318]

Father was a Master Sgt in the Army.

[@MeduseldRabbit]

Police and the feds really hate doing missing person investigations, which is why they try so hard to ignore requests to even start searching. They especially do this when it is a teenager. Telling the family they are just off somewhere being brats is just police code for "go play in traffic, we don't care." It tends to come back to bite them when the bodies are finally found with injuries they can't manage to ignore. Then they have to do a big song and dance number to hunt down the killer, or a reasonably believable scapegoat so that people will shut up about it.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

I feel like it's past-due for people to realize that the majority of cops don't actually want to do their jobs.

[@ronhicks1663]

This just happened in my small town when 5 people went missing 4 of which found dead the 5th is still missing. Cases aren't connected no arrests no suspects. One was even deemed a suicide with no cause of death

[@ronhicks1663]

@Artikit I live in a tiny town my graduating class had 49 kids. The cops ain't got shit to do. That is why I think they are involved or at least covering up. Because even a grade schooler would know that these cases where I'm from are connected. Oh yeah all the people knew each other and ran in the same circles. Yet there still no connection.

[@ronhicks1663]

@Artikit I think the cops are more criminal than the criminals. No need to be paid off when the money chain winds up at them anyway

[@ronhicks1663]

@Artikit the 5th girl still missing was a good friend of mine. Yeah she had issues with substance abuse but I've learned just cause someone has a issue it doesn't make them bad. She was a bright girl beautiful singing voice. Jordan Kathleen Tompkins we miss you and love you.

[@skeetersaurus6249]

Charles E. McCullar - Master Sergeant, U.S. Army. Born November 25, 1928, Died October 14, 1998. Son was Charles W (Chuck). Military records are interestingly, NON-EXISTING for his service...and to reach the rank of Master Sergeant with no battles or campaigns, tells me he most-likely worked with OSS during (or immediately after) WWII...possibly into Korea. Quite possibly a simple 'grunt' in WWII, and moving over to OSS (or OSI) before or around the Korean War...which of course, was also the timing of Eisenhower, lots of UFO/Alien/Government projects...all of which would have 'black boxed' his career in general. Connections? Yeah, pretty easy to see how they could have formed...at least, for 'dad'.

[@ottifant64]

Bruh… dude was born in ’28 and you think he served in ww2?

[@seanheaney8303]

Your totally off, joined the Army for occupation duty 1946-1947.. served I guessing to about 1965-1966.. would later switch to the CIA, he would have been in the CIA for a LOT of big stuff MKUltra, Watergate,Vietnam war, lot of cold war things... he probably had an iconic career..his son somehow got sucked into it or was a casualty of it.

[@naebhor6931]

​@@ottifant64it's possible. Many people across the world falsified their age to enlist for WWI and WWII, and also before and since, so that would make him around 15 when the USA joined the war, if all the information is correct. If he was an early enlistee he could well have done what the original commenter suggests. Just look at testimony from military personnel that served during that time, some say they were as young as 13 when they enlisted.

[@gamerraider889]

​@@ottifant64My grandfather served in the Navy at 14, he lied about his age to escape his own father, and he was discharged for murdering another service member who tried to assault him (I don't have lots of information on this). They were not good at making sure of soldiers ages during WWII so you wound up with lots of situations where children would appear in the military. Not saying the dad from the case served during WWII, but it's not impossible that he did.

[@tierneylogan5943]

Yeah, sounds like daddy was a spook

[@Ratkill]

Like you say, its kind of annoying that "creators" just parrot an article from somewhere and wait for the youtube money to start rolling in. It kind of restores my faith in humanity that there are people still willing to put effort into these investigations and actually generate something to contribute. Putting in actual work is a rare thing to expect from a youtube channel imo. Good show

[@jenniferj5324]

Yes! I am going to sub to this channel now, and this is my first video. This is the reason that Stephanie Harlowe is my favorite YT true crime content creator, the amount of research she does is respectable.

[@billy251791]

Well said. I would love to see technology develop so YT creators have the capability of producing professional documentaries or even films. Making history documentaries for example. There has to be an alternative to Hollywood and the big networks that are so deeply entrenched in politics they can't create anything.

[@gratuitousumlaut1944]

This is fascinating. This is a prime example of a case where the strangeness of a case has been both over-emphasized and under-emphasized. This one feels less like high-strangeness/missing 411 now and more like government misconduct.

[@tdhawk167]

Yes, that could mean his Father was in a high security position, but not because he was buried in Arlington. Spouses and dependants of those who are in the military, or work for the military, are also given that honor. (because if one person in the family serves, the whole family serves) Thank you all who have and who are!

[@Erinlikeshiking]

Re: this guy's dad, sometimes people are just people. My dad worked for the NSA and was constantly overseas doing secretive stuff for them but you won't find mention of his name online outside of obituaries. He was also adamant about ensuring I had survival skills growing up and insisted on teaching me martial arts as well as how to build a shelter in survival scenarios, among other things.

[@xtina_129]

My daughter just did an overnight hike in the snow for a college class. They dug out a sleeping area in the snow, used the tarp on the ground to keep moisture out, then slept on a roll up mat and low temperature sleeping bag. I believe this is probably what he would have done too if he deemed it necessary. With that much snow you don’t need to carry a tent for shelter. Great research on this and I really enjoy how you deliver the information. I subscribed immediately and am about to start a binge of your channel!

[@JoeSkylynx]

Small heads up for the Lore Lodge - Most of our grandparents files(17:00) got destroyed in a fire in the 70's. I know this because looking for records for my own family members has been an absolute pain in the keister.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Couldn’t even find a marriage record, which would be public

[@JoeSkylynx]

@@TheLoreLodge okay now that's weird. If it was just military files, I would be able to understand, but marriage files should be pretty easy to find via court documents..?

[@LadyZubat]

@@JoeSkylynx this is just my theory but I think most of those records are still on paper and haven't been digitally scanned or put on electronic database

[@alternativemethods9540]

A lot of files just get lost due to time and natural disasters.

[@madsfiedler3884]

@@LadyZubat if ur talking ab aidens Mythical Records, there would still be record of them online, especially a 20smthns grandparent. DEFINITELY ths second marriage

[@swaggercat9000]

"They asked the FBI to look into it and their answer is what you'd expect" They investigated themselves and found they did no wrong?

[@BreadApologist]

If I ever go missing and die in the woods I want this channel to cover it. Im pretty sure I haven’t gone missing and died in the woods yet. I don’t typically go out in the woods or die but it could happen.

[@kitcat-xn1mn]

The part that gets to me about the body placement (especially being an experienced hiker) is why were the backpack straps damaged? I may have misheard but if I'm right you mentioned them being completely severed which you glossed over a bit but I think it might be important. The starps aren't supposed to sit on your shoulders with heavier packs, there's a waste band that tightens onto your waste and you carry the weight there which helps with both center of balance and not creating back problems. The shoulder straps pretty much keep the pack from falling off you backwards. But they are made tough enough that you can pull the pack onto your back with them which can be a lot of weight. The last time I hiked my pack weighed 80 to 90lbs depending on how much food I'd already eaten. That's a normal weight for planning on being outside for about a week or two weeks. That does take into account sleeping bag, tent, food, spare clothes and tarps to stay dry as well as odds and ends for cooking and eating. If he's got enough food to want to be out for three days and no tent I'd guess his pack would weight between 50 and 70lbs (I don't remember the exact gear lay out) which is nowhere near enough to snap the straps on weight alone even if he was being stupid for some reason and carrying the weight on his shoulders. I cannot come up with any reason why the straps on a hiking pack would ever snap unless it was beat to absolute shit prior to this trip and an experienced hiker would not take such a bag on that kind of a trip. I don't know what this means but that stuck out to me like a soar thumb

[@Princess_Celestia_]

"But they are made tough enough that you can pull the pack onto your back with them which can be a lot of weight." I was on a 2 week trek up in the mountains in New Mexico, my pack weighed in at about 100lbs. About a week in after we stopped for lunch, my pack's shoulder straps both busted free of the pack. S**t just happens. I felt bad for the two guys that had to remain behind to help be effect repairs on the pack, by the time the pack was fixed, and we caught up with them at the next nights campsite, they had already cooked, and our share of the cooked food had gone cold.

[@jzdude01]

When did he mention this? I only remember him mentioning the straps that keep the pack closed being undone when the rangers arrived at the scene. Not that the straps were completely severed.

[@fafarms]

Avalanche

[@obinutkonobi1407]

You should make a map of 411 cases and cave systems, rivers, national parks, and walking trails ect, it would be so interesting to see

[@hallievanoutryve3109]

I have seen a map of missing 411- do a google search and click images .

[@callmedoc2147]

Missing 411 has, it's how he made the list of 10 or so common denominators between cases

[@jokinplaysgames]

Ita been done before. Maybe try using Google....

[@joea4637]

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[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

Ok, do you all realize how fast a critter & friends will eat a human body? I think city people forget that when you die in the wilderness, you better be buried, frozen, or found quickly, or you are just another animal & a part of the food chain. Anywhere that has coyotes, cougars, wolves, lol I was going to say "the usual," but I guess that ain't usual for most Americans (but westerners know, even LA people have coyote problems). I gotta say, as the new director of the fundraising arm of a wilderness(ish) national monument, I no longer find these shows nearly as interesting. I keep stressing about all the terrible mistakes the feds & PR people make. It is worth noting that no one has ever gone missing or died at our site, altho my grandfather disappeared nearby (I know it sounds WOW but he was 78, it was likely a slip & fall into the river, and it happened in 1960).

[@RealmOfPlagues]

Paulides gets the details wrong in these cases so frequently that it seems less an honest mistake and more an obvious pattern. I think he purposely frames his stories in specific ways to make them more drastic or more mysterious. These cases are fascinating without the misinformation. Thanks for keeping to the facts.

[@xKinjax]

Of course he does. He frames them in a sensationalist manner because that's what gets attention on him and money into his pockets. Sadly the vast majority of the videos and articles reporting on these cases just take his writings as gospel and never do even an inkling of separate research so they all just spread his version with all the wrong information. It's also why they never mention that he got kicked out of the police force for being a drunkard and a crook. And if anyone tries to correct anything they get accused of having an agenda or being associated with whatever their preferred flavor of conspiracy or alien cabal is.

[@Princess_Celestia_]

David has openly admitted that he will leave out details that don't make the case seem mysterious.

[@miaj5118]

Bull crap

[@jwknauf]

David Paulides leaves out facts to make his nonsense profile points work. More nonsense....

[@jeffsandes5265]

@@Princess_Celestia_ I dont think he ever said that. You are taking him out of context or you are lying.

[@chipper841]

So enjoy your reviews of Skinwalker Ranch. I always watch it the day after it airs. Your discussions simply gives me more to think about as I watch it. And I thank you MUCHLY!👍👍

[@Red-jt6uu]

I wonder if Charles Senior or any other investigator checked any pawn shops to see if Chuck’s camera wound up there considering it was not found with the body. Also, whoever Charles Senior was, it’s clear someone at the FBI had it out for him because it’s hard to believe that a guy with his kind of connections would receive the same kind of callousness that the government often shows civilian parents looking for justice for their kids if it were not the case.

[@shadowdragonjem]

The more of these videos I watch the less I trust governmental agencies to do their jobs. I didn't think it was possible for me to trust them less, I'm kind of impressed.

[@kittyythecat]

Can't trust ANY government imo

[@angelahassert3552]

Ronald Reagan once said never trust a man who shows up and says I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[@BullFrogFace]

​@@angelahassert3552 Funny as hes the one that made literally everything about the country worse lol

[@marcywalters524]

You had me at ‘agencies’.

[@janemiettinen5176]

If you feel the trust sneaking back silently in the night like a thief, watch some police reform, civil rights and auditing channels - that should rape, kill, dismember, cook and cannibalize it for good. My trust had one swift and tragic end in less than hours worth of watching, now Im growing healthy, blooming flowers of distrust on its grave. For your own good. If you need recommendations, I got ya.

[@freeman7079]

I love that Lore Lodge actually corrects Paulides’ misinformation…

[@pyewackett5]

Kindly point out Paulides' discrepancies of this particular case then. I'm big on comparison

[@ripper-iix3120]

@@pyewackett5 I’m half way through rn and the only one I heard was the date he left

[@charlesbennick9161]

@@pyewackett5this was about the date which he left. He’s pointed out a lot of inaccuracies in Palidas’ work in other videos and live streams

[@luciac.419]

@@charlesbennick9161 Yes he does do that but why does he target paulides so much?? It seems kinda odd to me

[@scottcantdance804]

@@luciac.419 Probably because Paulides is the highest profile person covering these cases and most people's first exposure to these stories comes from either Paulides, or Strange Outdoors (who he mentions frequently as well).

[@jake_from_state7143]

you know, I’ve been on KZbin for over 10 years now, and I think this is the first time I’ve seen a KZbinr be sponsored by personal injury lawyers, bravo good sir

[@adamlane6453]

Well there's one podcast I know for sure you don't listen to, otherwise you'd know "Call Steven P. New, if you need to sue."

[@jerms6642]

i get ads for them on a lot of youtuber

[@dogshake]

@@adamlane6453 Fellow Cult of Cornette member I see, nice.

[@Jadedgrl2012]

I guess one thing to keep in mind, this was the 70’s so no LE rarely took young adults disappearing seriously. This is such a sad ordeal for this family.

[@theConquerersMama]

When my husband went missing I was told in no uncertain terms that it isn't a crime to leave your family, friends & job. Even just out of the blue. So unless we had some evidence of a crime like a ransom request or a body to hire a private investigator. We only got traction to discovering his body by reporting his car, phone and wallet stolen so we could track those down. Then it was just hours until we found him in a ravine. He could have been saved if we'd found him sooner.

[@theConquerersMama]

The 70s dropping out culture was very real. A lot of my family did it. And the lack of communication or slow communication- mail, pay phones & such left a huge opening for foul play. My parents called home every week and that was considered really staying in touch at the time. But so much can happen in a week before you even miss a call. Even then, a lot of people would say "people get busy. They just missed a call. No big deal"

[@barbarat5729]

I just want to tell you how grateful I am to have found this channel. You do a SUPERB JOB!

[@Greenignitor]

This channel is just pure bliss. I am so glad Wendigoon included you in his first 411 video a couple months ago cuz without that I don't think I would have found one of my favorite channels

[@beccapenny]

Agree! I'm here because of Wendigoon too, and absolutely love this channel!

[@Greenignitor]

@@JSwanKilowJ what are you even talking about??

[@JSwanKilowJ]

@Green Ignitor yo idk how that happened lol. I was trying to reply to someone on a True Crime Garage video. I have no idea how that happened.

[@Pixelkip]

@@JSwanKilowJ youtube has been truly screwed up lately, same thing happened to me yesterday lol

[@aprilkane]

I never would have known how hard the father fought to find out what happened to his son. Great video.

[@jennaabbas4222]

I really love how you actually put real research into everything you talk about. So many times content creators treat true crime/ dark history like a campfire story. But you treat it like a real event. You don’t romanticize or glorify what happened. I have never considered myself to be a fan of true crime, because being a fan of crime is just disgusting in my opinion.But I am a fan of mystery, theories, and interesting discussions. And I am a fan of your channel

[@OceanbornAngel]

The interesting statement that pops out to me is when you were quoting that FBI letter and they stated it was an accident. This gets me thinking that maybe Chuck was accidentally hit and killed by a driver or snowmobiler while he was no doubt walking to his destination in poor visibility and they decided to hide the body to make it look like he got lost and died of exposure instead of alert authorities. That's just my theory.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

By the way, in the 70s & 80s, we would meet other kids at church youth group events, extra curriculars, conferences, etc and would stay in touch by snail mail & occasional long distance phone calls. It wasn't unusual for us active & involved kids to have friends all over the US, and you'd be amazed at how well we stayed in touch, considering it cost money and took much more time & bother.

[@theConquerersMama]

True. We got creative in those days when long distance calls were an arm & leg. I used to write post cards and notes to friends almost as much as send emails now. I was ahead of the meme curve my family says because I would clip comics and articles and send them to people almost daily with little notes attached.

[@CosmicDimensionsArt]

Another fun fact about Crater Lake is the Old Man of the Lake. A hemlock tree that floats upright around the lake. They've kept track of it since 1896. I got to go there as a kid with my grandparents. It's totally beautiful and unforgettable. Definitely go if you ever get the chance. We also stopped at the Oregon Vortex along the way there. That's another very weird place. While the standing broom and uphill rolling ball tricks there have been long debunked, you'll still get a very strange feeling while you're in the area.

[@whitemagus2000]

The vortex is a weird place. I went there with a nuclear engineer and we did some testing. It was weird. Something very odd with the local magnetic fields.

[@douggaudiosi14]

I just looked up the Old Man of the Lake. Its very interesting

[@InTheNameOfLife1]

I went there as a kid. I remember getting vertigo but I think it was just the silly illusions they were playing. That said, I always get a weird feeling up in the redwoods as well as the PNW. Just a general sense of looming doom lol. I adore the areas and love to visit, but it’s enough for me to avoid moving there.

[@shewho333]

The vortex is now way too expensive to enter. My kids have never been there and I live right next to it.

[@St.Linguini_of_Pesto]

@Cosmic Dimensions Art there are a couple places like that in California; one OS in Santa Cruz and I can't recall where the other is because I've not been to that one. I've been to the one in Santa Cruz, though, and I do know what you're mentioning. The weird "tilted" sensation I felt gave me goosebumps.

[@anymorebrightideas8796]

This honestly feels like it went from a Missing 411 profile to a The Government is Not Your Friend profile.

[@geminidream4347]

And this is why you should always carry a personal locator beacon (some have no sub) or at least that Recco tape! These make great grifts. Even if you are one who believes nothing will happen to you, you vary well may come across someone else that needs help.

[@number3766]

I mean, just take the beacon, drive it somewhere else, turn it back on and no tracr

[@XxWhitewolfxX-go6tj]

Fed

[@JoseVazquez-nn2oc]

Maybe

[@ResinAlchemist2024]

Stab wounds can often be determined on partial or whole skeletal remains. If the knife was driven through soft tissue with enough force and with a long enough blade. It can pass through skin and soft tissue causing damage to the ostei structures in the body. Pretty scary, violent, traumatic, painful stuff.

[@DeecentAnimal]

That’s why he mentioned specifically that he could be stabbed in lower abdomen without there being evidence, he was pointing out that place bc it’s only or mainly tissue so even with all the bones one could be stabbed there and nothing left on any bone

[@smol_angr_void7224]

Idk what it is, but the little "get them, not in a bad way, get them in a good - in a good - ok" is adorable to me! 😄

[@CaptainC319]

Your comments about Charles Sr hold a lot of weight. Myself and my dad do mirror the two Charles in many ways. My dad is a 35 year veteran of the Canadian forces and I am a 12 year veteran. Even when I was quite young, dad did teach me a lot of advanced survival skills for various environments. Things like impromptu snow shelters, weapons, camouflage and concealment. Now, my dads record isn’t classified fully though a lot of it is in terms of specifics. Of course I can’t speak to what exactly Charles Sr was a part of but based on what information we have I would be willing to bet he was a member of the American special forces. Which one specifically I can’t say for sure. However, given his redaction and how he was viewed, I think he may have worked for the CIA or it’s predecessor. CIA operatives are known to be buried in Arglinton if my knowledge is correct. Again this is a lot of speculation on my end but individuals like him and my own dad would be called very well connected and yet much of their records are sealed. It would be fascinating to learn more about him. As always, well done Aidan and other Aidan.

[@thedarkmage7373]

If he was sf based on his snow survival ability I say either 1st group (far east) or 10th group (Europe)

[@thedarkmage7373]

But due to his flying ability and lack of record probally means he was in the Special Operation Avation Regement. Possibly even Thier tier 1 unit if it exists.

[@CaptainC319]

@@thedarkmage7373 hmmm. I think you are correct in that assessment

[@Dduke4]

Possible he had some role in laos?

[@josi4251]

The FBI is under the jurisdiction of a local sheriff and may investigate cases of missing people ONLY by the sheriff department's invitation. I know an FBI agent, and he has made this very clear. Individuals asking for the FBI will get nowhere. No invitation from the sheriff -- no FBI. Also, it isn't common, but there are some people who have no public records, or they have very few. I'm a former private investigator, and sometimes we were looking for people who were "ghosts." Unusual but not unheard of.

[@lturner6256]

Uh, the FBI is not under the jurisdiction of the local Sheriff. They often times will wait to be invited by the sheriff due to political considerations.

[@ralcogaming7674]

​@@lturner6256issue is the FBI only really gets jurisdiction if it's a situation where it affects multiple states such as a killer jumping state lines. The FBI ends up with more bureaucracy and red tape than nearly any other investigative agency and being beholden directly to the federal government doesn't help them in the slightest.

[@adarkfilly]

I've listened to so many different Charles McCullar videos and radio shows, yours is by far the most detailed. However, now I am more curious as to who the hell Charles Sr. is. I'm still curious about Jr, but Sr is an enigma, wth.

[@adarkfilly]

Yup, this case is way more bizarre than others have touched on. Good job.

[@jhtsurvival]

Obviously he was part of the USA covert operations.

[@ChiefQ83]

Bet he was in an alphabet agency or delta force possibly. Just s thought...

[@ryanbaker7404]

Ah, yes, the venerable "Traveler's Checks"...I'm old enough to remember them well. Mom going to the bank to obtain several meant that the annual vacation was indeed as close in reality as it was in the mind. 🤣

[@LordSummerIsle73]

The amount of research you did blows my mind. Love this channel and I love your work

[@SarahGreen523]

Wow! An episode that's over an hour long and *isn't* a live stream?? Best day EVER!!

[@BionicleFreek99]

As a fairly experienced hiker I can confirm that a 20 mile hike is an all day afair! Even after having worked up to doing a 20 mile hike for months having gone on 17-20 small to medium and longer hikes my feet where still in blisters by the end of it and we only got to the end just as the sun was going down. Walking any faster than that is basically a gruling military march you'd have to train your life for. (Edit: I was hiking in the summer on a day with perfect weather btw!)

[@Princess_Celestia_]

Or just wear better footwear.

[@godofanarchye]

@@Princess_Celestia_blisters still happen, especially after 20 miles of hiking. It’s created via friction

[@kenzashenna]

I feel like your channel will grow absolutely rapidly. I've binge watched all of your videos

[@MaryOKC]

Cold cases are hard to solve unless you have the case record and someone talks or something case related has been discovered. Sometimes people just want to disappear.

[@marcusdilling5126]

Exquisite story telling and fact checking, and ordering the story by the series presented and coming back to the beginning, letters as it applied. Best telling of this case ever. Keep it up 😊❤

[@freezepeachgaming1786]

A federal 3-letter agency being shady as hell and denying everything with suspect speculation. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

[@matthewkendall9733]

This comment is under-rated.

[@lunakat__]

I can say from personal experience with amateur genealogy; there's often people you'd expect to find info on that you cannot. It depends on what the state laws are where they live. As an example, I have family in Louisiana, where the laws are birth records arent public for 100 years (except for the person and their immediate family) and death records aren't public for 50 years (same caveat). There's a lot of Louisiana newspapers digitized, though, and available to people out-of-state. Criminal and civil court records are not available unless you are working in the system, except for offender registry. Texas is very different different; birth and death records are online. You can pay a couple bucks for a criminal record. Their major newspapers are online. There does seem to be smaller papers that are only available in-state, which is definitely frustrating but it's sort of a trade off. I'll dig around and see if I can find anything about Charles Sr. I'm not sure what Virginia's laws are but I'm always up for a scavenger hunt.

[@hycynth82828]

Let us know if you see something!

[@TimyTims]

Anything yet?

[@Silver_Girl178]

My grandfather had a similar non-background... And, whatever happened to Chuck, I'm not sure he was just wandering the country/taking pictures to build a portfolio., so what was he really taking pictures of, and for whom would be my question?

[@melissakidwell7978]

Hence the camara completely disappearing

[@joegausch]

I walked a path in Yellowstone .From the road it did not seem like very thick woods. After walking approximately 1 1/2 miles the woods became very thick! I felt I was off trail and was thinking of going back the way I came but I stuck it out and came out at the trailhead! My point is even on the easiest trail getting yourself lost is real easy. Stay sharp people!!!

[@Hudama100]

Just recently found your channel, working my way through all your videos, really enjoying the content and how thorough you are in your research. 10/10

[@geminidream4347]

Crater Lake has a history of freaky things happen there.

[@Misskittyclimber]

Yes and no. Im local and its not crater lake we have stories about, which is makes it extremely easy to see who did research and who is parroting stories.....which is exactly what happened here🤦🏼‍♀🤦🏼‍♀🤦🏼‍♀

[@geminidream4347]

@@Misskittyclimber Thank you. Always nice to hear from the locals who really know what's happening in their own backyards.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@@geminidream4347 My experience is most locals don't have a clue. Crater Lake goes back to Native American Cosmology. It is very interesting indeed.

[@geminidream4347]

@@thetruthchannel349 You are probably right as I have found the same when asking locals about the history of where they live. Maybe when it's scary like the stories around them, they don't want to know. Me, it's I wanna know every possible thing I can about where I am, even when visiting. lol

[@kehenabeach4418]

The National Archives Fire on July 12, 1973, a fire was reported at the NPRC's military personnel records building. The fire burned for 22hrs and millions of service records were destroyed, probably explains why you couldn’t find much info. I know a lot of vets from the 1980’s (after the fire happened) who the National Archives say can’t find their service records! Sad state of affairs. Also most of the older generations were encouraged to be self-reliant and “lived” outdoors more than they do now.

[@marlenestewart7442]

My dad, Korea - era USAF, lost his records in that fire as well.

[@kehenabeach4418]

@@marlenestewart7442 Mine as well… grandfather, dad & two uncles (covered WWII, Korea & Vietnam) Almost seemed intentional.

[@marlenestewart7442]

@@kehenabeach4418 My dad was suspicious.

[@kehenabeach4418]

@@marlenestewart7442 Sad and unconscionable that it happened, thank you for your fathers service. Families rarely get thanked for the crucial support they give to our service members. Mahalo!

[@theConquerersMama]

​@@marlenestewart7442 a lot of vets are suspicious about it. I worked at for the VA. It was noted how many records went missing now that people were old enough to need a lot more care.

[@mmacutgirl8]

The amount of effort, time and work u put into finding one random person that disappeared decades ago is amazing. There's a special place in heaven for u. I hope I never disappear but if I do I hope u take on my case, lol.

[@SandyBrrr]

I adore that you are dedicated to doing your own research. You are my new gold standard for getting the most available facts as well as the context. I also thank you for proving that Paulides has, at times, been somewhat fos....

[@kyleeconrad]

I think that Chuck may have accidentally come up on something in the woods he shouldn't have- likely involving local authorities and was killed to keep him quiet, but then the group he encountered discovered who's son he was and panicked and tried to stage a "lost in the woods" scenario far away from whatever operation they got going. Probably a huge ass weed farm or sex trafficking compound are my first thoughts.

[@ingvaraberge7037]

I have seen another video about a boy being killed because he accidently came across som drug traficking where the local police was involved. That was also in the USA, even though further east in the country.

[@kyleeconrad]

@@ingvaraberge7037 Was it the two boys in Arkansas? I can't remember their names.

[@KeaganG]

Love your in depth, and consideration to detail and beautiful commentary

[@smithintern-tainment7868]

I like to think there’s some FBI agent who knows exactly what went down watching this like “-dammit.”

[@thatgirlwithbangs]

I’m super happy for you and your Morgan and Morgan sponsor! Keep on going with the amazing content!

[@pailhorsegaming6762]

I think it’s hilarious that he’s been sponsored by them.

[@upriverfishing]

I am so glad to see you fixed the way you say Klamath.

[@lifesprettygood]

You would be an excellent educator; you already are "teaching" in such an informative, yet still comedic manner. I listen to you for entertainment, but I find myself wanting to take notes.

[@cradleofgoth]

From my experience falling in powder while skiing and just getting back on skis is a huge pain, walking in powder will tire you out very fast. Powder meaning untouched snow.

[@gf301]

That's the kind of research I like, no other site gets anywhere near it. He couldn't have possibly got there under his own steam, can't believe he'd have wanted to either. So it can't be an accident. Really weird case, thank you!

[@taylorcoloske7366]

I'd proffer the Occam's Razor of your ultimate theory: someone out driving or snowmobiling around the park accidentally ran over Charles, Jr and then drove the body deeper into the park to stage it like a lost hiker died of the elements or a fall or whatever, then drove off into the proverbial sunset. It would ultimately explain the sheer randomness and unexplainibility of the circumstances, and it was just a cosmic coincidence that it happened to someone with a connected enough family to get where we are with the case today. You can probably also factor in a bit of weaponized incompetence on the part of townie cops to tourist problems with the initial (lack of) investigation, especially if it involved a local around the Diamond Lake travel lodge that they seemed determined to ignore into oblivion. Just some initial thoughts, never having seen the Ballin video or really having any prior knowledge of the case before this.

[@Contessa6789]

Perhaps the murderer was a prominent local figure or otherwise connected to the government or police and the police chose to cover it up. Possibly bribed. Little did they know that the victim’s father was a force to be reckoned with and their “lost hiker” theory would not apply to an expert outdoorsman like Chuck. But that still leaves the deliberate incompetence of the FBI. Were they embarrassed they couldn’t solve what seemed like a perfect crime? Did the corruption go that for up?

[@tuzonthume]

Perhaps the Sr. was at odds with his son moving out to the left coast?! If anyone knew where Chuck was after he was reported missing. [?diamond lake-big bar tab]??.

[@chuckn4851]

Have you ever driven a snowmobile? They're remarkably hard to crash. Granted, shit happens but still. Also, please tell me how someone would be driving anything other than one of those snow-tank things (that are driven in tundras and glaciers, not deep wilderness) in that deep of snow?

[@tuzonthume]

@@chuckn4851 I ride, yeah. crash every other time. There were trails for sleds all over around diamond lake. the north entrance closes for wheeled vehicles, but snowmobile is still the preferred mode of travel in the park unless you are headed to the lodge from the south.

[@LB-ou8wt]

@@chuckn4851 snowmobiles are not remarkably hard to crash. I've flipped one and in my time riding have been with or heard of friends flipping sleds and crashing them into trees on numerous occasions

[@sheripacori2097]

Your videos are very good. Thanks for all your research.

[@mikalmos369]

Great presentation as always but it had a difficult time getting through this one because it had an enormous amount of commercial interruptions, way more than normal for your videos of this length.

[@TheLoreLodge]

That’s odd, it should have had the same frequency. How often were you seeing them?

[@Novsev9069]

Holy crap you guys literally did a fantastic job with this episode! you put so much work into this. I think this is your best one yet!

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

I'll do you one better on your three scenarios. As you recognize earlier in the video, this was pre-DNA, and they didn't recover enough of the body to confirm via dental records. The identity of the victim here was extrapolated via his belongings, which easily could have been planted on the remains of somebody with a similar frame and age, with the parts of the body that could enable ID destroyed. Given this, it is theoretically possible that this was a kidnapping, and the kid of the "prominent" father (and mother, as programmers for the Pentagon in the Cold War were up to some seriously classified things) was snatched in transit and then a body was dropped in the wilderness with his belonging to make it look like he was dead--this would also explain the missing transit period and how "he" got into the park. It's not a conspiracy to recognize that both the US and Russia were up to some seriously shady things during the Cold War, and trying to kidnap the families of vital personnel in the other wasn't exactly off-board for the USSR. This would provide information about the parents, and possibly leverage.

[@yoyobeerman1289]

There was a string of "coincidental" deaths of European defense industry scientists, engineers, programmers and researchers working for NATO countries that occurred over the course of a couple of years in the 70's. Dozens of them, killing themselves in strange ways and falling victim to strange tragedic accidents. Obviously the official line is that there is no evidence that this was nothing but a string of bad luck, but I think we all know better, the USSR has a long history of killing prominent foreigners and defectors in other countries. I could 100% believe he was kidnapped by Soviet agents.

[@GrandpasRevenge43]

If there was any suspicion of cooperation with the Soviets, The CIA would definitely snatch up a child as a bargaining chip or interrogation aid too. Both sides could easily have a hand in the case.

[@addisonpage1]

Scary to think we’re in another Cold War now and what they’d be willing to do

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

@@addisonpage1 Things are a little different today. Russia is now WAY more hesitant about operating in certain areas than they were during the Cold War. Specifically, the US, Israel and China are pretty much off the table in terms of Russia doing targeted hits and renditions (unsurprisingly, the former two are where many ex-pat oligarchs have chosen to stay). Basically, Russia is way too reliant on China right now to do anything to piss them off, while doing hits in the USA or Israel would trigger a shadow war that Russia knows it can't win. A tit-for-tat series of assassinations, sabotage, and cyberattacks would be catastrophic for Russia in both cases (eg. what happens to their economy if a Stuxnet analog gets loaded into their natural gas pipeline system and/or refineries?). Sadly, Russia still is comfortable doing hits across Europe, as we saw with the Litvinenko assassination in London. They know that the EU won't hit them back for anything that is too minor to trigger Article 5 under NATO, so they can still do small and mid-level aggressive actions against them.

[@addisonpage1]

@@theprogressivecynic2407 scares me man, I might be Canadian, but this whole thing scares me

[@ashleymiller1414]

Really appreciate your thorough investigation on this. Keep it up.

[@KathyOnOBX]

I just recently discovered you and your videos and I'm loving them!! I'm going to go back to your Roanoke vid and make some comments. I live on the Outer Banks and have answers to a couple of your questions, plus I can help with a few of the pronunciations you questioned. One thing I don't remember you bringing up in this (horrific) case today is money. It seems to me the FBI may have had no interest in pursuing this missing person or the foul play angle because it would cost a lot of money for them to do that. Even if Dad was an important or influential man, there was probably some FBI person at a big desk somewhere saying, "No. We are not going to fund any searches for this young guy." And later: "There is too little evidence to justify the expense of pursuing the foul play angle." We know they assess the cost of investigations as part of the decision about what they will and will not investigate.

[@polkadots716]

Wow! One of the most intriguing cases I've heard. Nice job, Aiden!

[@malakidemeo4425]

I’ve noticed with a lot of these missing 411 cases the clothes end up neatly folder and placed either on a fallen tree or at the base of a tree is their any reason for that

[@finnie9223]

Just want to chime in and say that his level of experience of outdoor survival is everything that the boyscouts would and could teach. All boyscout troops are different. All depends on the knowledge and teachings of the scout masters. Boyscouts today have a bad rep of being dorky and lame but back in the 70s and even some troops today teach kids a great amount about wilderness survival. When i was in the boyscouts in the 2000s, during winter we would dig and sleep in snow huts when it was negative conditions, go on several mile hikes with full gear, and practiced land navigation on a regular basis. We were taught first aid from one of the assistant scout masters who was a combat medic in vietnam, and did all sorts of wilderness activities whenever we could. Bottom line is if you have a knowledgeable scout master and you engage yourself with the program, you can learn a good amount in the span of about 6 years, and come out on the other side as a very competent 19 yr old.

[@hurricaneofcats]

And honestly, sometimes no amount of survival skills can save you. Often when it comes down to people vs. nature, nature wins. Even smart, experienced people make crucial mistakes sometimes. Even unlimited wilderness know-how can never make you completely immune to disaster. Edit: punctuation

[@finnie9223]

@@hurricaneofcats I agree 100%

[@dudeinnawoods143]

Crater lake is whack, I helped re build some trail about 13 or so miles in the back country there. Got a weird feeling the whole two weeks I was there

[@DominicNJ73]

I think you hit the nail on the head with your speculation that Charles, Sr was Special Forces. My father was Army Special Forces from 1950 to his "retirement" in 1967. I put retirement in quotes because for a few years after his "retirement" he would get phone calls and would suddenly have to leave for a week or two for "work." Us kids always suspected our mom knew what was up but she'd just say "Oh daddy's work needs him to visit such and such a place" and if we asked dad where he was he'd just say "don't worry about it." Like Charles, Sr, if you look up my dad on the internet you won't find any records except for his birth, death and where he is buried.

[@patricialuna3016]

Very impressed with this well-researched episode.

[@kingvinoda3896]

If only the entirety of the FBI could go missing in the woods...

[@TheJonesChannel11]

And the ATF....IRS....ect...

[@jackofalltrades123]

You could say that about every 3 letter agency! They are the enemy of the people instead of helping their fellow Americans

[@wegonbeokay-o2l]

DEA too

[@riffcrypt8438]

The average citizens can then release a report finding that the disappearance was "normal", they probably just wanted to change their lives and don't want to be found tbh.

[@whatever9097]

And ICE…

[@Tony1Teh1Tiger]

I don't think it's particularly strange that a son of someone,whose name is routinely redacted in FBI official reports, is adapt at fieldcraft in a variety of climates and biomes. I also don't think it's particularly strange that the father has no record of his existence aside from his death and interactions regarding his son. I think it is likely that there are many of these type of agents even today being deployed by our government without our knowledge and whose records we will never hear about. However Charles Sr seems to have an exceedingly high level of access and as you said "pull." The main question seems to be why did the FBI purposefully and willingly ignore the evidence, and why do they feel the need to cover for a murderer or murderers?

[@GallonMilkProductions]

I'm thinking Charles Senior might have rubbed a few people the wrong way since he clearly has no issue confronting others. That can make enemies.... Either that or Chuck ran into something he shouldn't have because he wasn't just "hiking around" he was looking for something

[@domm5715]

I am thinking that some exact thing...either the son was sent to look for something or pops had info he was threatening to release so,..click clack, son goes"missing, pops west out there asap, but realistically goin missing is more likely than murder...seems like pops knew, if his kid got caught there would be only one outcome.

[@scallopohare9431]

Yup, I think Senior overestimated his own importance. YT said there was a previous reply, but won't show it.

[@anonymousresistance123]

I think so too.

[@Coach_Vedo]

i love how you actually put time into research,and from ALL youtube channels that are talking about missing people-your channel is the best. Thank you!

[@donaldsmith6814]

Crater Lake has two seasons, August & Winter! Unbelievable beautiful place!

[@Khazarak]

Chuck Sr. seems like he has a very particular set of skills.

[@pixystixnfairycrack]

I stopped having any faith in the Oregon state police about 25 years ago. I, in my misbegotten youth, took off for a weekend of shenanigans with some of my friends. My parents of course reported me missing to the NH state police who then sent my info out over the wire in case I turned up out of state somewhere (which to be fair was a good possibility at the time as I was a crazy 16 year old punk rock kid that would just wander off on a whim). I came home, severely hung over with twigs and leaves in my hair from a weekend of drunken idiocy in the woods, 3 days later. My mom let the police know that I was home and safe. We thought that was the end of the story. Two weeks after the fact the phone rang and I answered. It was the Oregon state police. They were calling to inform us that they were pretty sure they had found my body. It matched my description right down to scars etc. I replied with "Huh, well isn't that something. Thanks for letting me know." and I hung up (I was a little shocked, a little shook and a whole lot of confused). That was that. No other calls, no other notifications, nothing. And it always bothered me that they would make a call like that and never follow up or contact the local PD to have them come make sure everything was okay. When I told my mom she was just as shaken and tried to get someone on the Oregon state police to talk to her but no one would because, and I quote, "We're sorry Ma'am. But we cannot verify your identity over the phone so we cannot release any more information unless you present proper identification in person." I really hope that they were able to actually find out who the body was and were able to find their family.

[@ArmaliteLover]

not that far from crater lake its a lot more breathtaking in person. Also in junior high i went there on a field trip and a teacher told us not to go places we don't know or we could end up like chuck, and then told us a scary story lol

[@Sukharno2121]

"Our research staff is amazing! BTW I'm the research staff." Okay, I will have to steal that line.