Is Luthen... Rael Averross? Dooku's FIRST Apprentice? ANDOR THEORY

[@mynala110]

His monologue dripped with jedi innuendo and he flew his ship during his escape like only a jedi could.

[@TheodoraBrass]

I don’t care who he is, just PLEASE don’t kill him off…I need more Luthen in my LIFE!

[@gerardomiguel864]

Sadly there is only one way someone so commited to the cause would not be a part of the final half of the rebellion.

[@leesydneyharry7958]

Never thought of this, if in doubt kill them off in Disney.

[@LazyGyro]

If he is a jedi.. he has to be killed off 😂 so you should care who he is But regardless, he's prob gonna die

[@Caseshells123]

@@gerardomiguel864 Vader must have killed him I highly doubt the inquisitor has the talent.

[@HavanaOutpost]

Andor will kill him.

[@Osentalka]

'I share my dreams with ghosts' He's still in contact with Qui Gon Jinn...

[@ryanrichardson9915]

I will say this, after his monologue, I know he was a Jedi. Everything he said he gave up, is everything at the core of being a Jedi.

[@GreenLightMe]

JEDI are freaks i hope they kill everyone of them.

[@Philip-1]

Great Analysis! More and more, Luthen's characterization reminds me of Kreia's from KotOR 2. Kreia was actually the fallen jedi master, Arren Kae. Her true identity was never openly revealed during the game, leaving players to piece it together from a myriad of clues. Personally, I hope they keep doing the same thing with Luthen and never fully disclose his true identity.

[@matthewwurtzel322]

You forgot another important detail from his monologue, his reference to ghosts. The only Jedi at that point in time that became a Force ghost was Qui-Gon and Rael knew him. It is quite possible that Qui-Gon revealed himself to Rael before Obi-Wan. After all, the impression that Kenobi gave me was that he cut himself off from the Force and therefore Qui-Gon couldn’t communicate with him until he returned to the Force. If Rael/Luthen continued to use the Force, then Qui-Gon could contact him. Even if Rael/Luthen fell to the Dark Side, he could still see Qui-Gon as another story from a book tells how Yoda visited the Emperor upon dying, so we know that Dark Side users can see Force Ghosts even if they can’t become one. Personally, I’ve been wondering about the Rael and Luthen connection since the introduction of the Kyber crystal.

[@solarpixiejournals]

I wonder- Could he be related to Padme? Could he be a brother or someone else close to her? 15 years ago would have also been 15 years from her death. It would explain the Naboo artifacts.

[@anastasiab9506]

she only had a sister, but... what if he is connected to Sabe instead? Sabe was fighting against empire after Padme's death, so, what if?

[@nicksantos43]

It would be awesome to see Luthen slap that khyber crystal into the knife hilt he carries in the last episode!

[@axelusul]

Took you long enough, wouldn't be surprised his Kalen Crystal weapon and Chaff comes from his time on Pijal and the "Fools Kyber" found only their. Hence the deep orange tones, after he was returned to the Jedi Temple and Queen Fanri his "ward" and acting as regent for the planet was forced into abdication, help a few years house arrest. I believe like Rael Aveross both tried to start new lives. Rael may have gone home to Ringo Vinda, which became a ship yard for Kuat Drives. I think he had a family and worked with the massive Ship Company. Recieving the Kuatti ancient crystal which signified their resistance against the Raakaans. Plus how his Fondor "Tug" received such mods, particularly the Chaff and wing tip laser beams. The properties of the Fools Kyber were not know or developed fully. But repelled light sabres, created shields and other special gifts. No coincidence the ship trying to catch him couldn't deal with him since it was Kuat Yards made LOL. The significance from the incident on Pijal and the prophesy of "when the kyber that is not Kyber..." may have heralded the coming of Anakin as it was 10 years before Ep1. As for the Ex-Queen of Pijal, I believe she had a family of which Kleya Marki is her daughter. Hence her Princess like aurora and cunning and knack for disguise and subterfuge. The incident Luthen spells out to his spy tells you all you need to know. It would have been 15 years before, after Order 66 and then The Purge Rael Aveross and his once protege Fanri would have been targeted. I would guess Rael escaped but lost his life and family on Ringo Vinda his homeworld. Then realising who would be next he races to Fanries help, to find her too murdered. But leaving a daughter Kleya who as two lost souls with a common for begin their quest for building a rebellion and revenge. After 15 years of working to build a network and spies both would be ruthless and single minded in using anything that may further their cause and promote the end of the Empire and particularly the damned Palpatine and apprentice Vader. Or as usually happens Disney will ignore this canon cash cow. See what happens tomorrow LOL.

[@gtimotijevic]

It would be also convenient for Disney's Star Wars milking, because if Luthen is Averross indeed, this could be potential for prequels. Another convenience here is that Luthen is played by great Stellan Skarsgård and would be just simple to give his son Alexander role of younger version for prequel. I'm not complaining though.

[@Astranaughty]

gotta love a family of great looking actors lol

[@apomegranatelove6881]

Love your reaction. Could feel Andor’s writing drawn, from a deep historical well. Thank you, for sharing references.

[@wentzr]

I choose to believe Luthen is….. Luthen. Yea thats right Luthen. A brand new character who is not a secret Sith, or secret Jedi nor anyone’s apprentice or master. He is not the brother, father, son - not even father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate - of anyone we know. Just Luthen. A brand new kick ass character. Can you imagine what a breath of fresh fuckin air that would breathe into the star wars universe?

[@Cho0segoose]

I think it still makes his character interesting. We've never seen a jedi who survived order 66 go in this direction. It's a fresh take regardless

[@DANCast-yv1is]

I've been doing my own digging too and I believe Luther Rael and rael Averross are one same person it's just to big of a coincidence if he end not being Rael Averross honestly I might be kinda mad 🤣 but great video 👍

[@donovanridge]

That qui gon jin book was fire

[@garrisong]

I’m kinda hoping he is a Jedi regardless he’s becoming one of my favorite characters behind Ashoka. He kinda reminds me of James Bond.

[@GreenLightMe]

we don't want JEDI, he's not a JEDI stop with the jedi shit

[@artvandalay13]

Have you watched Ronin?

[@whyitmatterstome]

I think a lot of what your saying is spot on - the accent idea though, that's just the actor's natural voice. He is from Sweden, and he sounds like this in every film he has ever made, so I don't think the filmmakers did a deep a dive as you into the character's accent - but maybe I'm wrong. Everything else lines up nicely though.

[@gustavopaez6368]

The First time I saw Luthen, the way he walks and carries himself in his Jedi robes I knew he was a Jedi

[@adamkeller4489]

Great theory and analysis!

[@joshuaingram403]

From what we’ve read about Averross the personalities don’t match up. Cool theory though. (Could be correct)

[@Blakeyoutubing]

Whether he is a Jedi or not he really should have been present more in season 1. He’s the most interesting character in the show so far

[@thearikes]

No answers to that question this season!

[@Hammando]

Great case made, I hope you are correct.

[@logandashiell2584]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but the thing he says about plans 15 years ago could easily have come about shortly after Order 66. Which was... you know kind of a big deal to the Jedi that survived it. Show takes place: 5-1 BBY Order 66: 19BBY With all of the things he says in that conversation, grounded in that context... along with his possession of Jedi/Sith artifacts, and a Kyber Crystal... I mean, he sounds so bitter when he says: "condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them." it really does call to mind the ideological sacrifices the Jedi were forced to make, when they faced the Sith Empires of old in open galactic war. Which is, admittedly... not cannon, yet.

[@ryankwon8785]

I don't think Luthen is a Jedi because if he was, the Sith would've already hunted Luthen since all past and present Jedi were listed for Vader and the Inquisitors to hunt. To me, I think Luthen is more of an archivist who studied the Force, Jedi, and Sith in secret. If you read the Crimson Reign comics, there is an archivist who works for Qi'ra and uses her knowledge of the Force and Force Artifacts to help fight Sidious. Qi'ra told the archivist about Sidious and the archivist herself understood the stakes if the Sith continues to rule the Galaxy via the Empire.

[@GreenLightMe]

Only thing wrong with your Theory is RAEL AVERROSS would be 85 years old at this Point in 5bby. I know Stellan Skaarsgard looks pretty old but he's actually only 71.

[@cacogenicist]

Skaarsgard could pass for as young as his mid 60s. He doesn't look _that_ old.

[@yfz350twin]

Dooku was only 13 years older than Rael Averross? Dooku would be about 98 during the time of Andor.

[@m.e.3862]

No. No Jedi would have rules like "never carry anything you don't control" or "build your exit on your way in". That's spycraft. The Jedi rely on the force to help them. They can sense danger and use it to help guide them. Qui gon, for example, just jumps into a sub and is confident the force will lead them to their destination. And Luthen would've sensed the Cantwell class ship and not be caught off guard when he visited Saw.

[@GwonkReefkeeping]

Interesting theory.🤔

[@mramaz1ngarry728]

I kinda hope he's not a jedi. Because I enjoy how andor is about the real people of the galaxy.

[@googesowders2758]

Rael Averross is the John Wayne of the Jedi Order

[@blockarttoken7810]

Im sold its good to go.

[@joshb.8217]

That sounds pretty good and makes sense... so Disney probably won't do it.

[@T-O_Double-D]

I dig it

[@wingedparagon4448]

Hmm... not a bad theory and would be awesome if this was the case.

[@estebandicaprio7345]

What about his age? If he was older than Qui-Gon, almost forty years later, Averross should be like 80 something

[@Caviar_Liberta]

If Luthen is a former Jedi I'd imagine the restraint needed not to use forces powers.

[@ERRonLoad]

Physical traits are very different: Stellan/Luthen is a big man at 6'2", fair skinned, fair haired, blue eyes. Description of Aveross is short (only reaching Qui-Gon's shoulders), dark hair, dark eyes, and tan skinned. They are not a match.

[@TheLostAcolyte]

Fair point, I completely missed that part!

[@ShaneBurnsie]

Master Uvell? Dash Rendar?

[@mafeweigel]

With all of these theories, Luthen would end up being just a guy who managed to be a great rebel and strategist.

[@adog6704]

I think he was a former temple guard

[@eurosn7322]

It would be cool if he was indeed a jedi but could no longer use the force because of his internal turmoil. Andor really doesn't need force users.

[@yseson_]

Like Rogue One Vader will make a dramatic entrance, I believe Luthen will face him to allow Mon Mothma to escape and will be struck down by the Sith Lord

[@ryanrichardson9915]

I see someone read Master and Apprentice…

[@leesydneyharry7958]

I would love to know who Klaya is…

[@Noone-jn3jp]

It seems like an awfully lot of people knew about the Sith and F’ed it up at every turn

[@tom1921]

I get that people are desperate for jedi to make an appearance in this show because they've always been at the heart of Star Wars, but you're missing the point. This is a grounded story about sacrifice and standing up to tyranny. It would lose all focus if the jedi show up and become like every other Star Wars thing.

[@randallsavage13]

It could definitely work

[@dwijon]

Where is the Qui Gonn quote about getting laid from?

[@gregorlandini4328]

He’s Rael the Imperial Aerosol Kid

[@daymeongartrell4809]

I'm riding with the theory that Luthen Rael is Rael Averross.

[@joshpeck9266]

Was real averos in legends?

[@Cryptosifu]

Do you think the writer of this show is really this knowledge on Star Wars and it’s lore?

[@thearikes]

When does Qui-Gon Jinn ever in any Star Wars use the words getting laid?

[@isaacsantana6560]

Or Luke skywalker grandfather kylo ren grandfather lord Vader father king Darth dark lord plagues the wise live he behind everything not palpatine

[@derekkwondo]

Starkiller's father

[@jaybee6930]

LUTHEN SMUGGLED GROGU OUT OF THE JEDI TEMPLE!!!

[@yoavmor9002]

I like this... BUT Luthen really shouldn't be a Jedi. Not every best characters should be a Jedi

[@marvicty]

Dude, that is an awesome theory but I think this show is going to stay within itself and not touch on any Star Wars lore whatsoever. Even though the shows name is "Andor", the last three episodes have been dominated by Kino, Luthan and Mon Mothma with Cassian currently taking a backseat.

[@s.patterson5698]

The issue isn't their touching on Star Wars lore...there is nothing wrong in doing that as long as the writing remains as good as it is.

[@sparkycjs]

They're building Death Star parts in the prison, Mon Mothma operating the early rebellion, plenty of Star Wars lore in it already

[@browserjabo6587]

LUTHEN is NOT A Jedi.... There were NO special appearances from any new characters

[@pizaclatonddd3081]

Nah he's just a Jedi fanboi

[@lancetison5856]

yes, mothma and the rebels trust a firmer sith. NO. Kento

[@buntings]

rael was never sith

[@yw9372]

While I agree with the theory, this video is plagued with so many inaccuracies and misinterpretation of the source material (and mispronunciation, goodness me they were *bad*) it’s nigh unbearable.

[@a_ec]

the main reason Luthen being a Jedi makes no sense is because wouldn't it have been super easy for Vader and/or Palpatine to know there was a jedi in hiding right there on coruscant? this is why all these theories don't hold much water, imo. I think it's more interesting if maybe he had a family.member he lost in order 66 or something similar rather than him being a jedi himself....

[@Ockerlord]

The Grand Inquisitor about hunting Jedi: "In actuality I woulds say: the Jedi hunt themselves. Do you know the key to hunting Jedi, friend? It is patience. Jedi cannot help what they are. Their compassion leaves a trail.[...] So what is the Jedi to do? Help you and risk exposure? Or move on. Now if he were smart, he kept moving, but the Jedi Code is like an itch, he cannot help it. [...] His compassion has been his undoing." Luthen "let's sacrifice Kreegor and murder Andor" can help it though^^

[@travellerjames3139]

Luthen uses the dark side now so he would be able to hide

[@pzeeman73]

Please don’t.

[@johnmarkharris]

Averross didn’t dress so nicely

[@hoffenwurdig1356]

See the philosopher called Averroes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes

[@apomegranatelove6881]

Love your reaction. Could feel Andor’s writing drawn, from a deep historical well. Thank you, for sharing references.

[@TheLostAcolyte]

My pleasure!