Everybody Hates Bryan... Is He Actually A Scrub Character

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Tekken fans seem to not like playing Tekken the way they hate everything.

[@jimdino77]

its a loud minority

[@Trav_Doom]

As someone new to Tekken, this is the vibe I’ve gotten from the community

[@fobo3361]

Yeah its gotten so bad, i dont even play tekken anymore, i dont like T8 for my own reasons, but its still fun for a couple matches every once and awhile, but i dont even do that, just gonna wait for them to finally start balancing shit, and for me to forget about the communities bs, then start playing and just try ignoring community as much as possible (or at least the sub-resdit)

[@bilateriannewt4222]

I feel that every character is kinda too strong in T8, they lack of weaknesses and heat smash that plus on block that grants you free mixup is not making it easier. Yeah, maybe hame is balanced on high lvl of skill, but on low ranks is just a spam fest. Always has been but in T8 its on the next highs

[@Ace-of-spade]

wrong not Tekken fans but the new Tekken 8 fans

[@damastah100]

7:33 "Why don't you try to play the character yourself" TMM Xiaoyu ranked when

[@erbol8116]

funniest thing to watch

[@SolusFather]

He did play nina and got her to TGO in tekken 7 in like 3 days

[@ShadowMark3_]

He'll probably do it as an April Fools sub goal.

[@LegendOfSolidus]

TMM playing a female that isn't Nina? Never

[@ShadowMark3_]

@@LegendOfSolidus Reina: Am I a joke to you?

[@brohan1843]

Everyone hates every god damn charcter gah damn

[@valvect4341]

Especially TMM, he's very toxic

[@sepanmustafa9989]

Fr just don't play the game at that point

[@metsu-satsu4280]

​@@valvect4341 Elaborate?

[@blankken8071]

Not really tho lol

[@valvect4341]

@@metsu-satsu4280 He constantly goes on about how the smallest advantages are unfair, and has unnecessarily insulted people who beat him on stream, TekRavagers experience with him is a good example of this, he's just an all-round sore loser

[@secondheaven9545]

I think Bryan is like Hwoarang. If you’re fight him at low levels, he’s annoying AF because he’s got crazy pressure, but once you start learning him, he’s not nearly as powerful. Then when you start playing, you realize just how hard so many people work with these characters.

[@Topgamer357]

Losing a round from one interaction will always tilt many people even if a character is garbage.

[@alphonsin3950]

Bryan is one of the few characters that i don’t find annoying to fight

[@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort]

If most characters are annoying to fight, is the game really fun? 🤔

[@JobeLovo]

For me most characters can be fun to play against and unfun to play against it just depends on the player even some kazuya and Bryan players are determined to play as mashy and cheesey as possible even tho it's pretty ineffective with those characters

[@tristentamatea4325]

Makes winning feel better​@@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort

[@bonfist7277]

@@TheConnoiseurofTheArtofSnort It is, because I could just play with my friend for hours instead.

[@disruptor6550]

Agreed

[@set8601]

Everyone hates Bryan until they play Bryan

[@akiyamakikled7250]

Until they use qcb1, 3+4~1+2, f2~1….

[@PhuckChumster]

I got bryan to tekken emperor with a 60+ % winrate after maybe 4 hours of quick matches he is really not that hard in this game

[@exodia275]

Qcb1 qcb1 qcb1

[@exodia275]

Orbital orbital orbital

[@set8601]

@@akiyamakikled7250 oh no, you listed tools with counter play

[@KevinThornMusic]

My favorite part about Tekken is I always go "damn, I hate playing against

[@dopamine9269]

people who hate bryan simply dont like blocking.

[@br4ndyaw4l]

i second this

[@LoveXKnife]

People hate Bryan because it makes it obvious they got outplayed

[@TeryonTheHuman]

There is no word out of his mouth that is gonna make me respect a bryan player

[@Ti_Fire]

😂

[@bowi800]

Playing the hyper aggressive Feng wei there were few characters that destoyed me as hard as Bryan, that did piss me off since i just couldn't seem to counterplay him correctly. But i picked him up and am currently fujin with him and i have nothing but respect for high level Bryans due to the patience and reading required to pull it off.

[@soldier257]

Every Brian i’ve lost to clearly outplayed me. Most ppl just dont pay attention to the opponent

[@TheOneAndTrueHead]

Tekken 8 is more intense and toxic than tekken 7. Bryan in T7 was strong, but required a lot of effort to master. In T8, where most characters are simplified, he plays 80-90% the same. You’re right, you’ll always the character until you start playing the character. Bryan haters either never played Bryan, or hard complainers who are impatient.

[@TheBlunkBeanie]

Bryan in T8 is not sugarcoating with Counter Hits

[@Auran-v4u]

Hello there!! Just want to let you know that I started playing Bryan 2 weeks ago and I am 'Tekken God' at the moment. Yes Bryan is cheap

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

​@@Auran-v4u Not all Blue-TGs are actually good players thanks to boosting and early game brokenness carrying mashers to that rank. Bryan destroys Mashers. I never lose a set to a Bryan. I may lose a match to a true TG using Bryan as a pocket but never a whole set because Bryan is one of the easier to counter character.

[@Topgamer357]

Me playing a character has never reduced how annoyed I get when I am fighting them. Doesn’t matter how hard or easy they are to play. It may help me appreciate their skill, but nothing more. Playing the character would probably not make a difference unless you didn’t understand the matchup in the first place.

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

@@Topgamer357 True. Labbing does help a lot though. I used to hate Zafina. But I labbed her for a week and now. I can't tell you how happy I get when I see one because the match is set. I feel the same against Bryan, Lee, Drag, Eddy and Kaz... It's only Lidia and Hei that piss me off because I'm too broke to lab them.

[@NotGyros]

I'm just jealous since i play steve, reduced to B1 with awful lows while he has almost everything, aside from B1

[@JobeLovo]

I wish Steve got the Bryan treatment instead they just gutted everything except back 1 didn't add anything to flicker peekaboo or his sways and in return gave him a boring mix up stance a kempo and a horrible new voice biggest fumble in t8

[@bonfist7277]

I don't like what they've done to Steve, but playing against Bryan with Steve feels like the most fun you can possibly have in Tekken.

[@maxfuul]

I think steeve is not si bad. Hé is safe to play even if he is one of the hardest. Bryan don't have good jabs and quick attak

[@ZepherOverlord]

Interesting discussion I read on Steve recently. You can't play him like T7 anymore, the CH character. You play him like an evasive character, like Xiaoyu. Lion Heart and Weaves can evade alot of options. He's still hard to play tho

[@RnRRias]

@@JobeLovothey did change flicker it wasn’t major

[@Lemonteaxi]

Obnoxious as fuck that people continue to downplay this character because of some perceived difficulty, while claiming that Lee is brain dead in this game is something that will ALWAYS blow me away. This characters hardest attributes before was a requirement to learn taunt jetupper which was not an easy input, now you don’t even need that tech because his overall buttons are so much better. They took away the hardest part of his kit, gave him a heatsmash that still tracks as well as Jin’s, and gave him 121 CH which just shouldn’t be in the game at all. That string being safe along with machine gun punch tracking being absurd makes this character disgusting at higher ranks

[@s8bre101]

Well said, I don’t care how hard Bryan is to pilot he’s really OP

[@Elojackk]

So many people complain about bryan's ch tool. I understand with tracking problem, but counter hit? Too spoiled with heat and get too aggressive and then get ch'd by bryan. T8 want you to be aggressive, but don't get too aggressive. If you get ch'd, that mean you're get too comfortable and bryan player already got your timing and read you. You're the problem if you got ch'd Heat bar is just like rage, rage drive(T7), it's just Accessories. Don't depend on it.

[@Tha-mountain]

FIGHT CADE... PUT T5 ON YA LIST AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[@rogeliovilchez1]

There’s a very old saying that says “if you’re not being hated on… you’re doing something wrong.” Seriously though, I’m a Bryan main and it’s hard 🥹

[@Paul_Frank]

All the people outing themselves as sub Blue rank players in here by saying you can just spam qcb1 and orbital and win every match with no timing, execution or effort

[@charlesallen1472]

You know they’re lying. LMAO

[@c_hasting0341]

Which is crazy to me because I only play player matches with friends and none of us play ranked and I can't get away with that

[@clubnightparade]

Bruh fr I'm a blue rank bryan and if I qcb1 twice in a row more than once a game I get blown up for it.

[@tushartyagi9440]

That's because you probably have not conditioned them properly. Qcb1 is cancer move, its a pseudo electric with much more range. And i play in TGS​@@clubnightparade

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

​@tushartyagi9440 And this is evidence that you don't lab. Stepping, ducking, parrying or powercrush eats that move and has too much counterplay. If it's a safe move Bryan ends his turn and can't counterhit you unless you snake edge or do a i21 move which would be not smart. Bryan takes 5 business days to recover from any of his none jab moves. As a Lee I win from whiff punishment way too damn much. Even with the worst slim sidestep/walk. I can feel the panic of a Bryan when the moves whiff while I casually launch.

[@Underground3]

If having to nerf the current character that making the next character behind it OP, then your game has terrible balancing. It's like cycle that never end and people don't realize it.

[@99Beams]

Still waiting on the Xiaoyu climb to Tekken God

[@Aleksa.381]

That char is not worth even mentioning

[@99Beams]

@@Aleksa.381 your family lineage will forever be forgotten to the annals of mediocrity

[@das3tins768]

Bryan players are the same as Xiayou players, they're considered "hard characters" but all of their players are flowcharty scrubs in ranked.

[@scottnofriends756]

T8 is about aggression. Bryan has one of the best counter hit games.

[@mrastronomical67]

Counter hitting is defensive not aggressive. Which is why MM is saying you can wait him out

[@Yiazmats]

let him give up his turn with a requiem, df21 or 121, duck or ss if he is spamming qcb1 and then start pressuring him, he can't counter hit you when he is minus, he has no panic buttons, his power crush is ass. His only low with evasion db3 is minus on hit. for him to kill you with lows he has to connect like 10 or more hatchets, which don't knock down. T8 being more aggressive doesn't mean you gotta spam against Bryan while you are minus or mid range (where Bryan wants to be). T8 also being aggressive is because you can't allow characters like Dragunov, Nina, Kuma to run their offense on you cuz all the crazy chip damage also can't allow it with 50/50 characters with scary lows. Bryan won't chip you down bad nor he has scary lows so there is no race to enforce your offense asap like against other characters just take back your turn when you can then pressure Bryan.

[@arpadszabo661]

9:25

[@maxfuul]

It should be Steeve

[@arpadszabo661]

9:27 It’s because players gaslighted themselves into thinking that because Tekken 8 is a more offensive game, its not even worth to be defensive at all in any situation. These are the players who are hardstuck in blue rank, can’t figure out why and just think “Ah Yes, its because forced 50/50’s, because Arslan said so, i would be Tekken king by now if my opponent didn’t have a heat smash”

[@AnonymReviewer]

Getting full value out of Shaheen like AK gets is actually extremely technical

[@kimuy3364]

Players hating on Bryan because they are used to Smashing buttons,. that is the new mechanica in Tekken 8... 99% pressure and 1% def that will work :))) until TG rank where real players belong...

[@RaiseYourFlag]

I don't get why people say Eddy is low tier, while Jeondding and TekkenMaster just destroyed tournaments to semifanls levels with mix-ups only the goats of tekken could counterplay (with characters like Drag and Nina, or Lily). And it's kinda the same with Zafina - the downplay on her is insane, while Shadow20z got her to Grandfinals, means whoever say she is bad is just out of reality.

[@Magnishen]

I was making a "characters I hate" tier list for myself just to get it on paper which chars I should lab against. I ended up being surprise at how few characters I truly depise (looking at you Alisa).

[@Kenzoah]

6:48 and if you don’t press into Bryan, He also kills you 😭. Going to watch the rest of the video. I hope taunt and 3+4 charge is brought up

[@Kenzoah]

10:55 HOMING D4 , 0 on hit!!! Great damage also

[@FXRain]

Everyone in blue ranks complain about Bryan because they don’t understand frames, they expect their strings which are minus to chain into their other strings, like no if you’re going to play like that and expect the bryan not to counter hit you and then you sit there complaining about why you get counterhit all the time, thats on you, not on the bryan. Just learn frames please.

[@yoderr24]

most people hate bryan because they can't run their flow chart bullshit frame traps. god forbid you have to actually use your brain and switch up your timing.

[@RnRRias]

Im glad you touched on people actually playing the character instead of just saying the characters that annoy them are cheap and easy. Ling yoshi rang lili all annoying imo but not pick and play easy.

[@kaschmonet]

The people on Reddit complaining ARE the ones playing Yoshi, Drag, Alisa, and Jin 😂😂

[@Sykboogie]

I have a Tekken King Bryan on both PS5 and Steam, and I've played him since T3. This is definitely a character that becomes much easier to face if you understand him. I hate, hate, hate facing people that know how to tackle Bryan - passistivity is a great tool vs him - all we want to do is CH and if you're spamming, you lose to a competent, match-up conscious Bryan.

[@jarynlandrum7474]

Being a Bushin Eddy, hearing Mainman’s blue ranked advice and how much he hates him gives me Hope.

[@Allblaster]

Excellent idea on nerfing qcf1+2's tracking and qcb1's frames on block. Would make playing against him way less annoying with his space control, then his insane damage would be okay to have as he won't have braindead neutral.

[@kaleidoscope6043]

Bryan is one of the characters I could never get mad losing against.

[@Krubbe]

the paul 90 win streak was so exciting

[@kemalerdemsahin410]

Only real annoying thing about Bryan is that he has an electric wind hook fist with easy input. That move is way too good for him to be used like that, they should make it just frame blue spark move to be an actual +5 on block move.

[@moezumaki]

I'm Bryan main and TMM is right. He is extremely difficult to play and rank up. Requires a lot of patience and if you're constantly overwhelmed in a match with majority of these characters barrage of nonsense, you will struggle.

[@lsv47]

I don't get why people hate Bryan. In Tekken 7 I'd come home from a stressful day at work, find a Lucky Chloe on ranked, beat her and watch him go stupid on her on the win pose. Absolute therapy. This character got me through some stuff, and I'm sticking with him and my second main on 8. 😂

[@KeithKillingly]

I mean I have the same winrate/rank with Bryan as I do with Feng 🤷‍♂️. I think the people that think Bryan is hard don’t actually know how to play him, they use him too “by the book”. You gotta get weird with Bryan. Mainman is like this too, that’s why he thinks he’s hard. He’s really psychological character

[@volktol4432]

Agreed, I play Reina and Bryan. And for both, it helps to get a bit wild or else they are too predictable

[@JobeLovo]

Like what do a snake edge ?

[@KeithKillingly]

@@JobeLovo no lol, mental frames and the like. Bryan is the type of character where you can actually press when you’re like -10 sometimes. Bryan’s gameplan is very psychological

[@Sicknificant1]

​@JobeLovo yes this response is proof people legit just do not know what they don't know but they give opinions

[@MerrStudio]

I never said Bryan is OP or easy to play, I just find him annoying. Half of his stuff is either neutral or + on block. Some people say "duh duck these moves" and while yeah he's got like 2 strings that are predictable highs, as you said yourself in one of your last videos "don't sidestep or duck against Bryan cause you're gonna die". So you just stand there, tank hatchet after hatchet cause the moment you duck he launches you for 100 damage finishing you off. I'm not saying Bryan doesn't have bad frames on some of the moves, I'm saying that Bryan doesn't need to use them ever cause his neutral/+frame moves counter hit launch you anyway. I feel like the main and only counter play against Bryan is to not give him a turn, but the only way to achieve this is to press and hope he doesn't counter hit you for it.

[@SassyGorilla]

as someone who started with tekken 8 i gotta say i HATED bryan at first, then i started playing him to learn to fight him and then i fell in love after learning just how hard he is to play right. at bussin rn and hopefully tk later this week.

[@alexalexftw]

Im a TG Bryan, and i like to use mental frames , i got called out by a lot of GoDs after i beat them ,they are saying why are you pressing, you are willing to use all of your resources just to land something, and i answered ,im a 2 touch character , what am i supposed to do? Waiting you to beat me up until i get a jet upper punish? Screw that , i use Bryan at full offense, if its my turn i pressure as much as i can until they break their patience and press or get poked to death. Also i developed parry setups , that work on highest level of players, they get scared to press even when its their turn, cause Bryan can parry at -6 , i got a lot of parry wallsplats for big damage . Parry is a huge tool that every Bryan should put in their arsenal.

[@dirtyningen8118]

New rule: if you haven’t labbed a character for at least an hour or 2 don’t cry about them online

[@roamalot3000]

No way I could find Bryan annoying when characters like Nina, Xiaoyu, Jin, Drag, Feng, exist

[@Ambitioushero0]

I think drag is very honest if you exclude the qcf 4 cheese

[@ShizuoHeiwa]

@@Ambitioushero0tf he is

[@delfsylol8288]

@@Ambitioushero0 youre smoking crack my guy

[@jinpachichulo7561]

They think they hate Bryan but they hate the player. Bryan aint easy. You gotta know your own character at a master level and you have to be well versed in your opponents character as well as well versed in other players minds and how they think. If you hate Bryan, you're getting out Tekken'd, you're not getting out scrubbed. Bryan has no command throws. No lows to speak of. All bare bones Tekken. No guessing low sweep / mid for a 50/50. If you're at blue rank duck from mid to long range and expect a high. Punish him once and half his range arsenal is gone. Again, if you're losing to anything under Tekken God Bryan you're a scrub.

[@Centro-centro]

i know bryan is strong but he's fun to play against unlike Jin...

[@KingSlayerGoose]

Most Bryan players have skill, but if we're being honest, he is a character that can get a lot of mileage out of knowing big combos and mashing rising knees. not saying hes dumb cause he isn't, but there are definitely people in blue ranks with no neutral/movement/sidesteps/throw techs or frame knowledge, just the ability to pull off a combo they saw on tick tock after landing a mashed rising knee or a stray orbital (cause his combos do like 70% of your life bar).

[@Light50977]

Yes but that's Tekken 8 for you.. I had bushin Bryan's that mash orbital from max range distance, like what are you doing my man ?

[@skoulikantera]

One of the most honest characters in the roster

[@ISh1n]

The sudden influx of bryan players needs to be studied (i matched around 10 bryans the other day)

[@Mika037-l5l]

Bryan used to be honest but now in Tekken 8 with all that qcb1, qcf1+2, SNE f21... String and 3+4 2, he isn't really honest now. A lot of times I feel like he is just another Dragunov or Jin with all those oppressive and safe moves.

[@Blue-qi4tl]

Well you said it yourself everyone presses too damn much even in blue ranks. It doesn't help that he is a pretty popular pick. Now be me from red to purple, which is even lower, no one respects you and they get blown up for half their health bar or more. He's a great character for people trying to up their block game in earlier ranks, it will feel very rewarding given the playstyle.

[@phenom504]

I don’t think he’s a scrub character. There are others that are worse in my opinion. His damage is high but he still requires you to make reads and depends on the opponent to mess up or press into him. Some may say with heat he’s more of a problem but he’s still difficult to control properly. That’s why he’s rewarded with such high damage. Plus he’s too badass to be called scrubby lol

[@revyoyo2870]

As a Bryan player I’m just saying, watch your knees we troll there

[@CertifiedMVP]

"Oh I hate bryan, he's OP!" Said every hard stuck garyu red rank

[@Tekken8_Pro_Players]

After v1.05 Bryan is an op character.

[@TopoSalsero]

Everybody hating on bryan for winning trades against people who mash even though all of his moves are slow af, yet praise Kazuya for hitting 7 50/50s in a row, in short, the hypotenuse.

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Kaz has no poking. Sounds like a skill issue.

[@_Alex_Zer0_]

@@azuresaiyan9005Bryan has no poking either dude

[@Doublejho]

​@@azuresaiyan9005 no poking? i wish, that little kick of his drives me up the wall

[@Doublejho]

​@@_Alex_Zer0_ huh? we're talking about the same bryan that has hatchet, right?

[@vemorphose1167]

@@Doublejho ah yes, a 21 frame (with perfect execution) poke. How about kaz d+1+2? It's high evasive AND ch launches.

[@jamieallover1587]

TLDW: "Walk the walk before you talk the talk." (Too long didn't watch)

[@cardinalaxelerator1861]

Bryan is literally the definition of the word "outplay" in Tekken, and players complain about bryan mains being good. Like bro I'm not surprice if he got nerfs like dvj and get clowned for being difficult with low reward if these situation keeps up.

[@luKB01]

I main Bryan and I think he is one of the strongest characters in the game, but is just difficult to use effectively. I would say though that Reqium (qcf 1+2) and his f2,1,2,3,2 string that Mainman points out as potential things to nerf the tracking on, are genuinely some of the only tools that aren’t homing that have any kind of tracking. Everything on this character whiffs if you side walk right so I don’t think it’s completely egregious to give him a couple of tools that have slightly better tracking. That being said, f2,1,2,3,2 definitely should not push people as far away on the last hit, that shit is stupid and in my opinion should be more heavily minus.

[@samiambl917]

Bryan has df1 and d2 that both track sidestep/sidewalk right, both of these are key pokes with Bryan. Hatchet kick also tracks to the right. Not to mention he already has great homing moves in ff4 and 1+2. Requiem is a full screen mid heat engager with a few high crushing frames, it shouldn't track right. The f2 string has too many good properties to also track so well, but if they do nerf its frames, then it can keep its tracking or vice-versa.

[@luKB01]

df1 has issues with inconsistency depending on how far into a sidestep an opponent has moved, with some of the later hits whiffing sometimes and I’m not sure any Bryan player would ever recommend df2 for attempting to track an opponent, d2 i feel would even be better than df2. Would like to also point out that some characters have full screen, high, armoured heat engages that are safe on block and even the ones that aren’t safe at least have the armoured component still. I’m not saying qcf1+2 isn’t strong but characters need strong moves. Also being -9 after having it blocked i would say is punishment enough.

[@samiambl917]

@@luKB01 In my reply, I never mentioned df2, only d2. qcf1+2 used to be punishable in T7. Also, armoured heat engagers are a problem for sure, but that doesn't mean bryan's requiem isn't too strong and there's no armored heat engager that you can't step or have the range that qcf1+2 has. And yeah, most of the armored heat engagers are high. Mid armored heat engagers shouldn't exist in this game imo. Also, I've never experience df1 having inconsistencies in tracking sidestep right, in fact one of its key uses is to catch people stepping right

[@luKB01]

@@samiambl917 oh my mistake, i thought you said df2 okay we’re in agreement on d2 then haha. armoured heat engages are incredibly frustrating i agree. I just don’t think requiem is in any need of big nerfs given that the rest of bryan’s gameplay is fairly difficult. The inconsistency with df1 occurs in my experience when used towards the end of the opponents side step. The first one or maybe two hits of df1 will connect but the hit stun will push them out of the hit box for the last 2 hits which is annoying.

[@samiambl917]

​@@luKB01 Ah i see what you mean about df1, yeah that does happen sometimes. With Requiem, I guess we can agree to disagree, it's not like there aren't characters that have much more annoying moves that need to be nerfed first lol.

[@Aleksa.381]

Mainman you said it well,Bryan is one of the greatest characters in tekken but it seems like that people hate to be counter hit the most!

[@dovs96]

My ass still hurts even from recalling how freaking hard it was to get him to Bushin on release. Got a break from T8 since, but was kinda following the patchnotes. Is he THAT easier now, so wide audience even calls him a scrub character?

[@abra2133]

He's not easier it's just that loud low ranks hate that they can't spam their flowcharts. He is stronger but not exactly easier

[@dovs96]

@abra2133 Thanks for clarification. It's still sounds strange for me, cause in T7 he already was annoying as hell to play against at low ranks, but almost nobody was saying he is scrubby/easymod. In T8 he doesn't seem that much more annoying/tricky to deal with, especially if we taking heat to consideration. I feel like for opponent it almost doesn't matter if Bryan is in heat or not. And that's in the very same game where majority of roster do possess heat tools in range from "I can condition you into whatever the heck I want" to one button nuke.

[@notgonnapay]

7:44 That’s so true, TMM. You should really pick up Xiaoyu one day so you can understand that winning with her is not as easy as you think. Honestly, she’s a lot like Bryan if you replace his plus-frame moves and CH launchers with AOP and stance pressure. Their one good low doesn’t high crush, punishing -14 moves is crucial, and you need to know the matchup and the player’s tendencies to capitalize on their offense instead of running them down with your own. I also think the community hates these two for the same reason: Their ‘good’ lows (nobody will duck and punish Bryan’s d3,2 and Xiao’s d3,4 until you get to high blue ranks at least), their snake edges, and the opponent’s tendency to want to press after blocking a move. Hell, I just ran into a Raijin Bryan yesterday when I was trying to get my Reina out of blue ranks; his gameplan was b1 into df2 strings/1+2 grab, snake edge, orbital, and jet uppers in the neutral. He was even using taunt into snake edge to make it a few frames faster. I’ve also run into Xiaoyu players at these ranks who almost exclusively use her snake edge cancel as their primary mixup tool. A Bryan making it to mid-blue ranks with that strat is clear evidence of why people think he’s a scrub character.

[@globalwarmer840]

i really just think it just comes from having really high damage, i remember ppl and some friends losing their mind over marisa in season 1 of sf6 despite not being a super top tier character

[@notgonnapay]

“Bryan doesn’t have the best punishment in the world.” 21 damage 10f with multiple follow-ups, 12f punish has good reach and multiple follow-ups, 32 dmg 13f or 23 dmg into sway for pressure/mixups, launches at 14. While standing punishment is just as good: A 12f knee with a delayable second CH launcher that’s only -10, a 13f FC df 2,1 that deals 37 dmg and breaks walls, and a 15f WS launcher. Bryan doesn’t have the *best* punishment in the game, but as a defensive character, his punishment allows him to get good damage in nearly every situation.

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

You're right. Let's compare him to my Lee. Easy mode 10f = 24dmg, 26dmg justfr or Acid Rain = 28dmg + 16dmg ub3 or 19+dmg db4... 11f = 31dmg justfr into h-engage + wallsplat. 13f = 31dmg + knd + wallsplat or 13f = 33dmg safe h-engage + wallsplat. 14f = 34dmg + knd + wallsplat. Wallsplat usually giving 60-80dmg wallcomboes. These are true for all Mishimas with their own numbers. Hence why many players die off of punishment more than launches. In comparison for a defensive char Bryan has the lowest punishment damage or punishment conversion outside of Jetupper. I say this as an avid lab rab. In a vacuum most moves look great but in a real, practical setting those things fall apart. edit : Sometimes you get higher numbers out of counterhit because some players mash on minus.

[@abra2133]

Idk man, outside of jetupper it's pretty average, maybe on the higher side but he is a defensive character after all

[@notgonnapay]

@ that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[@Kenkyou_Nogata]

@@notgonnapay I agree with both of you. I'm only saying Bryan has the weakest or lowest mileage from punishment. I often win against gimmicks with punishment alone using Lee or Azucena. While Bryan not so much. Other than that. I agree fully.

[@notgonnapay]

@@Kenkyou_Nogata Hey, I can steelman my position too! Bryan’s 10f punish and 13f WS punish are some of the best in the game, as they can lead to a 70+ damage CH combo. Compare this with another defensive character’s 10f punish: Xiaoyu. Hers has no range and does 18 damage. Bryan’s is 21, and if you throw out the back fist after and your opponent presses, that’s 70% of your life gone...likely more. But seriously, if you’re going to make a case for Bryan having bad punishment, compare him with a character like Lili or Feng, not a character with arguably the best punishment in the game. I’m not saying his punishment is the best. In fact, you’re probably right about Bryan having the worst punishment out of all the defensive characters, though I’d say Jun holds that spot. I’m merely saying his punishment is good as he’s a defensive character. Any drawbacks of his 12 and 13-frame punishers are compensated for with his jet upper, not to mention his extremely safe buttons, a luxury neither Lee nor Xiaoyu have. Nina mistimes a blonde bomb? 70+ for Bryan. Reina finishes her df1,2 string because she thinks you’re gonna press? You get my point.

[@foxmind2490]

I understand some of the complaints about Bryan, but I’ve always liked him since T3. His damage is high, but you do have to earn it just like Heihachi.

[@EZpZeero]

12:43 I'm glad I wasn't the only one who feels like eddies moves are hard to read even when you're looking for them.

[@I_want_Wings]

The fact that you can’t even lab Eddy/Lidia unless you buy them makes it even worse. Kinda feels like Namco make their DLC characters extra gimmicky so you’re more inclined to buy them just in order lab…

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Or you can use online practice mode with someone you find online or in your regions discord/Tekken group?

[@I_want_Wings]

@ you can not be serious💀

[@charlesallen1472]

Yea, I think that's some dumb shit.

[@liu3chan]

I understand that decision (even though I don't like it). Tekken isn't MOBA. You could play one character forever and you would never stop discovering some new things. In what other genre are people talking about their "mains"? There's nothing really pushing you to buy those characters. The only other option would be being big like other genres (MOBAs, Battle Royales) and only profit from selling skins. Well, together with Heihachi came out a reskin of the Arena Stage and people were bitching about it not being part of the season pass even though it was explicitly mentioned in the description (and even in its name "Playable Character Year 1 Pass") and also everyone got 1 stage for free with the release of the previous DLC character. Tekken community is the worst.

[@niar1126]

I just hate bryan players cause they downplay like theres no tommorow I dont think hes cheap but he as stuff like reqiuem and qcb1 that cant be ignored and need nerfs.

[@cheifwaffle]

I mean he is cheap. Thats the point. You cant tell me losing half your health to a low parry is honesy and fair😂

[@clubnightparade]

His damage is the the biggest imo ngl his damage output is wild, a couple good pokes and on CH and you are most likely dead

[@nerbuhc]

@@clubnightparade what character cant do that though?

[@susulilith]

Bryan mains will justify unblockable smash from taunt because "it's hard to do"

[@sk8teking745]

I agree he also has break your guard at the wall in heat so dumb

[@LIP3XGunner]

He’s just a flowcharty boy. Annoying yes, but learn to deal with one and you’re good to go.

[@syafiqmahdi2316]

God ever since the game dropped everybody has been complaining about every character

[@StringedYak]

he has too many safe counter hit launchers

[@loupast7587]

Yes big chip damage is enough we dont want to get wallsplated by blocking

[@sykkamorre4779]

Its the slayer problem. Regardless of any execution, he touches you and you're possibly dead. CH combo to wall, opponent tries to get up, eats a taunt wallsplat aaaaand round over. Imo if you're gonna be doing that much damage you shouldnt really have some of the tools he has atm. Dont dislike fighting him compared to a fair few others, but i fully understand why people dislike getting hit once and likely dying for it.

[@Rozrach]

Im a king player and i love playing against bryan cause you play good ass tekken against this character

[@arhlein7872]

If bamco nerf nina yoshi jin dragunov, Knee’s Brian is top tier that’s probably what arslan meant

[@superblack898]

The only people who think Bryan is exceptionally hard are Bryan players and waifu players who try him. There’s so many characters that I would rate as more difficult, and the only difficult parts about Bryan end up being taunt stuff, which is so broken that it justifies the difficulty. Hwoarang, old Jin, kaz, Reina, heihachi, DVJ, Lee, all harder than meme boi here, but everyone is obsessed with glazing Bryan. Range 3-4 ch death merchant

[@amir_artur]

As a Bryan main I'd say that it's goddamn easy to play against most of my opponents just due to the fact that they're too mashy and do not understand neutral and spacing game. Bryan REALLY wants you to come and push some buttons, especially at midrange. Like, I got Bryan to Bushin thanks to that. But once my opponent actually knows how to handle Bryan, the shit is getting serious as it's only the opponent impatience that helps me to excel and win. Ngl in T8 Bryan is, like, STRONGER, WAY STRONGER than in T7. From time to time it feels too easy for me to win as the character. But I just guess it's because T8 promotes aggressiveness and Bryan is close to ultimate character against this playstyle.

[@deanbrooks7297]

Short answer is YES!!!!!!

[@JackReacher-x1j]

I don't know why everyone thinks bryan is broken , but he is one the few characters i don't struggle against . I can just keep blocking all day , maybe i'll eat few hatchet kicks but thats not threatening enough because he has to commit and i can just hopkick or jab punish him

[@trulordexiv]

Bryan is only good in higher ranks he can never be scrubby

[@tarushchintala3986]

imo Bryan is not a scrub character but Bryan players on the other hand end up being some of the most obnoxious and toxic players. I've had more Bryan players ki charging and 1 and doning than any other character.

[@burntpotato7116]

Ive played bryan and got him to emperor there was no special execution,insane timing or anything involved,i just used his op moves and my brain. Infact i cant even punish rageart with jet upper 100% of the time

[@Yokoso-kj7ij]

🤓🤓🤓

[@jovannyahumada7867]

Big facts

[@Paul_Frank]

"There was no execution, timing or anything, I just used his op moves and my brain" So if it wasn't for execution, timing or anything, what did you use your brain for lol?

[@burntpotato7116]

@@Paul_Frank"insane" timing like tmm says you need

[@Puntersnatch]

People just say things​@@Paul_Frank

[@Alabalahama]

Ok, by that logic, why wouldn't TMM go and play Alisa since he hates her as much as other people do hate bryan? PS i don't hate Bryan, actually love the character and i DO think he is really hard to pilot since you need to read people constantly for those counter hits

[@shads123]

I dont think he is braindead but I dont think he is one of the hardest characters to play imo.

[@Zubair01617]

Having tons of CH launchers in a game which was meant to be aggressive is criminal. There is a reason why magic 4 combos were removed and characters like Steve,Zafina lost so many CH launchers.

[@benpurcell591]

I think what's annoying about him is that once he gets going, it feels like you can never press. Its kind of boring to have to be so defensive, like fighting Steve a bit. Winnsble, sure, but kind of boring

[@TektektektektekhaHAA]

Personally there's not enough Mishima hate in this game. There are too many of them. Too many electrics and too many demon paws. When you make 5 characters with shared move sets (electric, demon paw, hellsweep) who also happen to be very popular picks the game starts to get a bit boring when every other match up is a Mishima.

[@blockchainballer4542]

It’s not Bryan I hate, it’s that people play him like neanderthals. Maybe it’s just the aggressive nature of T8

[@Shadow456376]

Nah we hated him in T7 too

[@TheSilentVoid_]

No. It's just the people in T8. And I'm not a Bryan main.

[@roamalot3000]

​@Shadow456376 Not gonna lie if you lost to Bryan in Tekken 7 that was on you, its still sort of the same in Tekken 8 but he has a lot more annoying stuff.

[@roamalot3000]

Extremely well put.

[@cheifwaffle]

Its mostly that the users are have a bad rep with toxicity

[@Yaur6355]

If anyone says that "Bryan is difficult to play in Tekken 8" then he is straight up lying and is just another Bryan down player.

[@alonecat9903]

He is difficult to play but not that much as almost everyone says. The most dumb thing that you playing 2D game against him and this disturbs me

[@kelvinmonteiro6485]

He's annoying but when you understand him he become's a fun matchup, like heihachi kazuya

[@EddieMorphling]

I used to hate Bryan but now with more years of experience under my belt ( and some very strong Bryan players on my friendslist ) he has become my favourite character to play against. There usually are only two outcomes when facing Bryan players, at least for me personally. 1. Its a mediocre Bryan/Tekken player, so a free win 95 % of the time. Im a very defensive player overall, they simply cant handly anyone not pressing so they start to throw out random strings, unsafe moves with an overall very predictable timing for easy punishment through and through. Or 2. They are strong Bryan/Tekken players so the matches get so sweaty that you feel like you are playing EVO Top 8 in Quickplay. Its a blast. Its basicly a win/win situation for me personally. Free win or a hardcore Tekken match with a ton to learn from the other player. Whenever I see his ugly ass face on the loading screen, I have a a feeling of relief and Im happy its not one of the usual suspects. Same concept applies to Kazuya. It kinda sounds like Im trying to ride TMMs schlong but I really dont. Its just that good Bryans and Kazuyas will make you feel every single mistake the hard way and I think this is what many players cant handle.

[@THR33_Dizzle]

I play Bryan and don't use snake edge, I'm the minority, lol

[@allforhim2009]

Every character has really good stuff, and when someone loses to those moves the character is automatically just a bullshit character. Bryan is in no way easy to play, but if you refuse to block he’ll end you in 2 sequences.

[@leonflorence118]

Bryan is my best matchup as well so I don't hate him at all. The only thing annoying about him is that he makes up a huge proportion of ranked matches that I play. It feels like I'm playing against either Jin or Bryan half the time which gets boring as shit unless I run into a godlike one

[@florianneumann9441]

haha. well i can understand that - but i guess you will explain how to deal with him... that made him much less frustrating to fight. Everytime i get blown up i have to tell myself - damn, stay out of his face and stop trying to pressure him

[@MrPastige]

Although I agree with everything regarding Bryan, I'm shocked to hear that he has complaints about Eddy and Lidia simply because he can't be bothered to lab them. I mean that's Tekken 101 isn't it? Having to learn which moves transition to what move and how to sidestep those? It kind of sounds like he's relying a bit too much on his legacy knowledge. I don't struggle with them anymore because I labbed them. Eddy's moves are distinguishable. Lidia's less, I can admit that. But they are both manageable, not like Hwoarang who I would say is the biggest offender of "having a lot of moves that look the same". He's an absolute nightmare to all new Tekken players like me. He's probably my most labbed characters and still my most frustrating matchup.

[@kinchodragonfly]

I do not hate Bryan but I find strings like 1,2,1; f21232 and 3+4, 2 having so much reward for no risk in return is not fun to play against. Also I find unfair that he has so many straight punches that cannot be parried or reversed.