PS5 Pro is Somehow Worse than We Thought

[@Anonymous______________]

15 percent performance increase but at a 60 percent price mark-up. I see they have finally adopted Nvidia's business model.

[@michahojwa8132]

It's even worse - I could run Path tracing on pc of that spec. Pisser is destroying that console.

[@Evilkingus]

Isn't it more of a 120% markup in price? In the Black Friday sales you could get a PS5 digital for less than half of the price of a PS5 pro. If you went preowned you could get a PS5 digital at around a 3rd of the price. It is insane - Insane I tells ya!

[@qT_p13]

Lack of competition

[@ladislavzima8382]

@@Evilkingus Every console will be cheap, when it's old. Compare prices as new.

[@Jpcraque]

@@Anonymous______________ "and you will be happy about it"

[@LukeHimself]

Devs on current game engines, not optimizing games to run as efficiently as possible, is the biggest issue we are facing with gaming. They're using software raytracing for simple lighting, and leaning on things like Lumen and Nanite when they shouldn't be using it at all (in their use cases).

[@RockTFKon]

True^

[@brucepreston3927]

I have noticed that lighting and shadows are using way more resources than they ever have before...I play on PC and the first thing I do to get more performance in a game is turn down the shadows, because I usually can't even tell a difference until it gets to the medium setting anyway...Just turning shadows from Ultra to high in most games will give you 10-15% more FPS with almost no visual loss...

[@XCaPTainClipzX]

Fact

[@LukeHimself]

@@brucepreston3927 Yeah, it used to save resources because it was just shorter draw distance and lower resolution shadows.. Now, it's lowering "ray count" and post processing like denoising.. Early UE5 games like Fort Solis showcased this.

[@mravg79]

Marketing they try to sell the new shiny thing and eye candy. To me if I compare older games they do not look that much worse in terms of lighting and reflections a well realized SSR can create believable entertainments. In other words I do not think the new things are worth the performance cuts. And we also have game companies like Nintendo which has rather dated hardware but is doing just fine. Which brings me to the final point games needs to be fun, needs to be enjoyable and this is more important than realistic graphics.

[@Plague_Doc22]

Calling it pisser is absolutely foul lmfao

[@JohnSmith-uu5ov]

But very apt

[@jimjohnson6944]

Deserved

[@blairowens8912]

PSSR taking the PSS

[@sanchezs7614]

I pissed myself laughing 😂

[@dustineffler7658]

Comment I was looking for! lmao 😂

[@ronnieburgess8060]

720p upscaled to 4k £399 upscaled to £789 (with drive)

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Don't forget the stand extra 30USD.

[@ksks6802]

I recall when xbox had a mandatory "4k update" for any game on an xbox1X. Doom 2016 went to butter smooth, to a stuttering mess. I knew right then I had to get out of the console ecosystem. I was there for dlss 1...it was rough. Now even in VR with a screen right next to my eyeballs, a 40 percent reduction in pixels looks surprisingly excellent.

[@Jpcraque]

@@ronnieburgess8060 everyting is digital now let's be real nobody cares about the drive....

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Gaming PCs cost more and dont have a drive either unless you buy cheap hardware.

[@edalv1945]

In south america its price is 950USD without the drive, buying directly from Sony Store, it is a scam and it's very ironic that they don't have stock right now, people are buying that shit

[@d4n93r]

Who needs ultra realistic graphics when the games arent fun

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Funny thing is even the graphics are far from ultra realistic.

[@sidewinder86ify]

Ultra? Consoles does not do Ultra, medium at most and fake 4k.

[@nikolauselsner2564]

To be realistic the image is not enough. Animations have to be authentic, too but they are BS in so many games

[@Nizzle89]

Their games are mid.

[@sapphireluv2705]

they exchanged gameplay with graphics isn't that the thing that today's "gamers" all cared about? movie games

[@i11usiveman97]

They cheaped out because they know they had no competition, it's way under powered compared to the leaks and expectations. And now they're struggling to show why it's worth the money. PS4 Pro was actually a decent upgrade at a decent price. This is greed.

[@brucepreston3927]

It would have been fine if they upgraded the damn CPU also...The issues they are having with PSSR will get fixed, but having better upscaling and a bigger gpu will only take you so far if the game is cpu limited...

[@amit_patel654]

That "no competition" is no excuse. When they launched the PS2, they included a postcard in the box, where if you filled it out and mailed it, they'd send you two free issues of PlayStation Magazine along with two demo disks. And this was when the PS2 was the dominant console out of Dreamcast, GameCube, and original Xbox as its competitors. Now they're taking away even stuff that they included in their last gen console. Sony have lost their way big time.

[@thatsmean2929]

@@amit_patel654They never found their way. They had to do that back then because they had something to prove and did have people trying to compete. Now they are a monopoly on consoles and have gotten so fat they got complacent.

[@cademckenna863]

@@brucepreston3927 Sony doesn't deisgn chips. They buy them lol and for the most games when playing at 4k aren't cpu bound they're gpu bound. upgrading the cpu which they prolly wouldn't do because again there wouldn't be any real preforamnce gain from it. Plus it's a APU deisgn so there is only so much AMD can do espisically since it's not even AMD's newest hardware

[@brucepreston3927]

@@cademckenna863 I know that Sony doesn't make the APUs...But they work closely with AMD to design them...There are plenty of PS5 games that are being limited by the CPU...Thats because a bunch of games are actually being rendered below 1440p and sometimes below 1080p and then upscaled to 4k...There are many other reasons that a better CPU would help, but i'm not going to spend 20min typing it all out...

[@Sharan25]

The ps5 pro msrp is insane for how little it improves upon the normal ps5

[@kaimojepaslt]

except it downgrades some games also

[@jasonvors1922]

You can blame amd for being extra greedy.

[@__-fi6xg]

@@jasonvors1922 yeah they should have asked Nvidia instead 🤡

[@KazutoKirigaya-hi8zh]

@@jasonvors1922 the issue is the same CPU like PS5. ryzen 7 3800x is inside.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@jasonvors1922 Or I can blame Sony for making this POS in the first place.

[@christroy8047]

Who the hell cares if the grass is 2% better shaded 15 meters away after you zoom 4 times.

[@Pow3r-Up]

Sounds like you are watching comparisons on youtube 🤣

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

@@Pow3r-Up yeah cause you cant compare it yourself on multiple machines, side by side.... when youre running the single console, by itself, with no comparison, youre more likely to see the difference cause of placebo than factual differences

[@leorelic]

if you have a PS5 there is no reason to buy a PS5 Pro , if you have none get a PC.

[@hirakchatterjee5240]

You will miss out on a lot of exclusive titles on a PC , Bloodborne is still not on PC and Stellar blade was a huge hit and a fun game.

[@那人冷靜一點]

​@@hirakchatterjee5240stellar blade is coming to pc next year so you'll only have ONE game that's worth playing

[@RockTFKon]

@@hirakchatterjee5240 You said a lot, I saw two games. I am thinking 3. Wow, so many.

[@germanvoidz3658]

@@hirakchatterjee5240 bloodborne will be perfectly emulated by the end of the year on PC(with improved resolution and uncapped fps). And on ps5 there is still no update patch for bloodborne, so you will be playing it at 30fps and 1080p for a 700 usd. It doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

[@tooprood]

​@@hirakchatterjee5240the amount of exclusive titles is getting smaller and smaller as sony is porting more over to pc, bloodborne is a ps4 game (you don't need a ps5 to play it), games cost a hell of a lot on console, and to top it off, ps4 emulation is taking massive leaps right now and the entirety of bloodborne is in an almost-playable state by now

[@GoldenEagle0007]

no CPU upgrade is a PRO scam

[@sneikiusas]

its not a scam :D if you are disappointed, I get you, but they did not advertise CPU upgrade, so not a scam.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

​@@sneikiusas They should've upgraded the CPU as well since it's a PRO model.

[@sneikiusas]

@olsenfernandes3634 and then it would cost even more, and people are crying about the current price

[@michahojwa8132]

There might have been an upgrade - 2x L1 cache. Also gpu may have traversal acceleration - that may help non-rt lumen performance.

[@akeemnereida6119]

​@@sneikiusasso in you own words is better a computer then

[@LELU-b2t]

shoutout to the alpha testers getting this shit ready for the ps6 lmao

[@Jpcraque]

@@LELU-b2t i will be 1! No shame and happy about it!

[@papichuckle]

They walking so we can run

[@stephenmiller3800]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching our wallets for us!

[@deepblue8143]

You're welcome, no regrets. Quit being bitter and actually get a career where you don't even have to look twice at the Pro's msrp.

[@handicapper911]

gaming hardware and gaming in general is going to hell anyway. The good old days of PS3, XBOX 360, affordable GPUs and genuinely *fun* games for all those platforms are long gone

[@TeamGB-Diving]

Ain't that the truth, I have been looking for a game to play over the Christmas period and nothing is jumping out at me. I am still playing Destiny 2 after all these years.

[@BastianRosenmüller]

No this is not true. For the price of a PS5 pro i build myself a PC with rx 7700xt and ryzen 7 5700x3d , 1 Tb of Storage and 32gb of ram. This PC kills the PS5 pro in every possible way , you can play all games with very good FPS and settings in QHD and even 4K. Nowadays we have great technologies like Upscaling and Frame Gen which allows middle class gpus to go up to 4k and /or achieve much higher framerates. For below 1000 bucks you couldnt get so much performance 10-15 years ago. I agree that western Tripple A games are shit nowadays. But besides western AAA we got really good games the last years. I encourage to take a look into the Indie Space. Hollow Knights, Valheim, Roboquest, Lethal Company and Lies of P are just a few examples of Masterpieces we got the last years. And even some big companies had a few great games to offer. What about Elden Ring, Sekiro the Resident Evil games, Red Dead Redemption. And in the console space Nintendo continues to deliver great games year for year. Sure if you only play PS5 and Xbox this generation is kind of shit, but PC gaming and Switch gaming is still great.

[@kerotomas1]

@@BastianRosenmüller The PS5 Pro has a newer than RDNA 3 gpu at the same level of a 7800XT so your 7700XT aren't killing it in any way. (it is way faster in RT for example as Sony asked AMD to improve on that by a lot, RT performance is more like the new RDNA 4 desktop parts) With that said i've always hated consoles.

[@Deceit-hx7ey]

@@kerotomas1 that doesn't change the fact that the cpu is vastly superior than what the ps5 pro uses. not to mention 32gb's of ram.

[@那人冷靜一點]

​@@kerotomas1 The ps5pro runs like a 3060ti according to digital foundry 😂 so a 7700xt is better

[@mangaas]

The fact that youre buying an entire new console thats more expensive, nothing should be running below 60fps, ever, and the resolution should be 4k and 1440 and nothing lower with scaling. If they cant accomplish that, then price it the same as a PS5. The original should see a price drop, and this should be the same price as a regular digital edition PS5 with no disc drive. Instead they priced this as if its their next gen console, like they released a PS6 early. This is legit a brazen scam, if you dont realize that, ask yourself this - Is the PlayStatiom 6 going to cost MORE than this ?

[@Airbigbawls]

They're always selling their consoles for a loss, they rely on paying to use your own internet for income. They wont drop the price to maybe hopefully make some real money.

[@continental_consumer]

Pretty sure the pro was a once off thing. They only made it for the status quo of a mid gen refresh. It didnt really need to exist as its barely an improvement and the ps5 was fine on its own. The PS6 will probably only be around 600. A little pricey but blame inflation.

[@AlucardNoir]

Nvidia pushed ray tracing way too soon. At the time they started pushing it 6 years ago people were just starting to move to high refresh gaming and that was competing with higher resolution. While the vocal FPS players might claim refresh is kind, especially for single player games higher resolutions were taking off. The problem is that we do not have any card that can do 4k 120fps ray traced and the people that can afford the top end cards are expecting that.

[@xXYannuschXx]

"Nvidia pushed ray tracing way too soon." - Agreed, same goes for VR. Pushed right at the time the technology wasnt quite there. If they were to push now with the current tech it would land alot better; but sadly alot of people seem to have "VR bad and expensive" imprinted in their heads already...

[@Kal-ElofKrypton]

I've been saying this they're rushing these games & consoles out way too fast.

[@The_One_Eyed_Rouge]

Agreed. The 4060ti should breeze through 1440p gaming. That card struggles a lot

[@alexatkin]

Its ALWAYS "too soon", because it has to be out there in the market before developers can use it. The same has happened with every evolution of 3D tech, the early cards its practically unusable as you need to make it a standard thing everyone has so that eventually it has enough market penetration to become a mandatory feature in new games.

[@AlucardNoir]

@@alexatkin Considering console development works on the exact opposite way, or at least used to, and that consoles beat PC for a very long time and still have half the gaming market I'm going to press X to doubt. For anyone that doesn't understand, when you're developing for consoles you get a development kit to work on that in the case of unreleased consoles might suffer modifications. You get to work with the hardware your game is going to run on far in advance of it ever being released to the public. As for early graphics cards, that is not my recollection. What I recall was that you could fallback to software render done on the CPU if you didn't have the right card the game supported. The same way PhysX ran on CPUs if you didn't have an Nvidia card a decade after GPUs had become standard.

[@COUNTVLAIDMIR]

2 words: Concord tax.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Tf is a concord? Because I know you're not referring to the plane

[@formerlycringe]

@@olsenfernandes3634 the world is healing

[@edge3646]

You are a pure soul ​@@olsenfernandes3634

[@cheporestrepo]

😂🔥

[@cheporestrepo]

@@olsenfernandes3634weeb comment

[@DrathVader]

Graphics settings on a console is crazy. For me as a PC gamer the biggest appeal or consoles was simplicity. No picking parts, no messing with setting, you sit down and play the game. Now theres two performance tiers and 5 graphics presets?

[@slythorn7482]

Who cares? Console players are half-blind; they won’t notice the difference in either case.

[@mc_explorer01]

Careful, you might get fanboys telling you that more choice is a good thing to justify their overpriced locked ecosystem of a console.

[@PACHIS99]

Nobody: In the future: *I finally got all the parts to build my new PS console!

[@PronounsR4Pussys]

Thanks to upscaling crap.

[@rudysmith1552]

@@slythorn7482 differences I don’t really care about them on pc tbh console quality is just good enough but the only thing I’m asking for is more frame rate mod/k&m support I get some of that in some games

[@tomthomas3499]

Look at all those graphics settings, they're basically low-medium-high preset on PC, Sony might as well unlock graphics settings including upscaler and just give the user the freedom to choose, that way they can also avoid negativity since we can switch between FSR TSR or PSSR like in Silent hill2 and Jedi survivor where PSSR look way worse than FSR/TSR

[@gamble777888]

But then they would be basically a premium priced PC that can't compete with PCs priced at their same price range.

[@gamble777888]

Only thing that allows these puny PS5s to "outperform" PCs at the same price is the arbitrary settings they modify so that they can do "4k". If you open it then you can't market it the same way I don't think. People would figure out PS5 is a box that gives you medium settings at upscaled 4k, same as any 600 usd machine can do today.

[@mitsuhh]

@@gamble777888 More like high/ultra

[@chris42069]

Worst of both worlds 😢

[@Plague_Doc22]

Should have just made all games as close to native 60fps as possible.

[@whoswho-n6s]

Let me catch my dad buying me a ps5 pro

[@robfox6103]

Glad to see this meme never dying lol Shout-out birdman hah

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Tell him to buy you a pc instead lol

[@butterkan3584]

Lol I'm still amazed they didn't include a damn disc drive with the pro

[@Andronicus87]

If hes willing to do that he should just get you a PC with decent vid card in it like a 4700 Ti.. it would last longer. Graphics are at a plateau right now. Intel hasn't even announced the 5000 series of vid cards yet and they usually do that every other september.

[@zinxderobo]

​​@@Andronicus87 intel's battlemage cards should be out really soon with the B580 supposedly at the 4070 performance level for ~250 bucks or something like that I think.. Do you mean Nvidia 5000 series? I wouldn't sleep on AMD's rdna4 8000 series cards either, I have a strong feeling they're gonna be way better than people are expecting, and of course Nvidia 5000 series if you have the money to spend.

[@spoiler1828]

game devs and sony should be shamed for offering a 30 fps mode in 2024

[@ArouzedLamp]

Some of the shame belongs on the hardware companies

[@FadedMaple07]

@@ArouzedLamp Not when those devs literally rely on ai upscaling and frame generation rather than optimizing their game *cough* MH Wilds *cough*

[@spoiler1828]

@@ArouzedLamp definitely, intended or not, ai upscaling and frame generation made it a "number go up" competition and here we are 6 years later with game devs being complacent

[@oGsGhosT]

Let's try this out. r5 5600 - $100 cheap mATX MB - $100 used rx6800 - $250-$300 16ram ddr4, any - $50 psu ~650w bronze - $100 ssd 1tb, sata - $80, probably can get cheaper some case, let's even go with decent one for $100 keyboard and mouse, depends, can be very cheap, can be $100. Overall, ~$800, can easily go lower. Will be superior to PS5 pro in any game.

[@hirakchatterjee5240]

Yeah buddy that r5 5600 is not coming anywhere close to the PS5 pro as it has an Octa core CPU , also the GPU in PS5 is rtx 4070 ti perf level . Rx 6800 gets beaten badly. Wait for the newer release to show its merit .

[@brucepreston3927]

You don't need to go with a sata SSD...You can get a PCIE gen4 SSD for the same price as a sata drive...I found this out recently because I needed more storage but all of my m.2 slots were full so I started looking for sata drives and I could believe that they cost the exact same...

[@Velocifero]

@@hirakchatterjee5240 "PS5 is rtx 4070 ti perf level" 🤣 do you actually believe that? More like a 3070 and the ps5 cpu is capped at 3.5Ghz so it's closer to a r5 3600x with its higher clocks.

[@tooprood]

​​@@hirakchatterjee52408 sluggish zen2 cores... with ray tracing performance the ps5 pro might edge a win sure but a console has far more costs than just hardware (you need to pay for a subscription to even play your damn games, yeah im out) at the cost of a ps5 pro and a few good titles on one I could (and have) built a much more capable pc and snagged plenty of games off of sales on steam.

[@SickPrid3]

You forgot a case 😂

[@J0ttaD]

Americans complaining about 700 dollar console. Meanwhile in europe Portugal is too busy working to care about a full salary console

[@mrlightwriter]

Portugal caralho! Also, you're unfortunately very right...

[@ja52ng74]

23:34 "What is the future of consoles?" I felt that there were warning signs when the xbone/ps4 were released and there were people saying that they just felt like pre-built pcs. Now it's increasingly more like consoles really are just pcs with a more closed ecosystem, with less innovation that makes having a console a unique and magical experience that you can't get anywhere else. Here's hoping the Switch successor will do some zany Nintendo-like innovative thing that reminds us again why consoles are special.

[@SyncZzzz]

Yeah that's how I feel as well in hindsight and what made me want to go to pc

[@steadychaosproductions3376]

its a massive rip off. Why, if you already have a PS5, would you spend 700+ dollars for something with slightly better upscaling and occasionally a few more frames. If you're that hardcore, just get a pc and play at 4K 60+ fps. Not mention, a lot of games sony is touting for the PRO are old and thoroughly played out, like TLOU...

[@dani3po]

A couple of weeks ago I bought a PS5 Slim with disc for 350€, new. The PS5 Pro costs more than twice as much. It's absurd.

[@NotoriousRawDogger]

I got it new for $300 bucks mine believe it or not

[@rurutuM]

i guess all the news media forget that people were paying $1000 for PS5 during pandemic shortage. Sony want a piece of that scalper pricing

[@CidPsy]

If Sony wants to sell people the Pro versions of their consoles they better open up the settings and be more open platform. That way devs don't have to go back to the hardware to "unlock" the better tech and "pro enchance" the games. From my understanding on consoles settings are set in stone, so in order to increase, decrease or add it's on the devs to do so (unlike on PC where it's us the users that can tweak as we please). Yeah consoles just works overall, but when it comes down to tweak the experience you want to get, PCs also just works.

[@brucepreston3927]

I never understood why consoles don't let you changes game settings so you can make it look however you want...It would make huge difference to alot of people!

[@alexatkin]

​@@brucepreston3927 Because the entire point of a console is for a user to not have to do that. At least in theory, the game should already be configured by the developer for optimal settings.

[@gamble777888]

You can't compete with PCs as a console. PCs upgrade every single year. PS5 here is trying to compete with a 5 year old CPU, it's just not gonna happen. The issue is Sony is marketing itself as the absolute cutting edge, but it's all just marketing. The machine is not really a 4k 60 fpsmachine, the games that run at 4k are running in the medium to low settings range depending on if its quality or performance mode. Any 500 USD pc you build today is going to give you a better graphical experience.

[@mitsuhh]

@@gamble777888 Cerny never said it was cutting edge

[@RaoulANT]

@@gamble777888 '''' Any 500 USD pc you build today is going to give you a better graphical experience.'''' Sorry but don't come here with misleading bullshit. Your not gonna get the same performance with a $500 pc. Funny how that price range is keeping lower by the day. You;re not getting a RDNA 3 with RDNA 4 RT engines machine for that price and optimised at all.

[@paderborner5213]

9:35 P*SS*R - I see what you did there

[@crunchymushy]

luv u

[@panopsata3038]

It's insane how people think that a console that is supposedly 45% than the base PS5 with an upscaler that doesn't even matches DLSS is faster than a 4090 (I've seen tons of comment before launch). In reality it doesn't even outperforms the PS5 (Disregarding PSSR) by 45% most of the time more like 30-40% range(based on framerate alone). To at least match the 4090 alone you would need at least 300% more power.

[@leorelic]

anyone who compares a console to a 4090 deserves to be clowned on

[@fliptomylou8880]

Thats cause about 95% of console owners have no idea how hardware works. All they talk about is Tflop numbers and think thats the overall deciding factor into how well a system is going to perform.

[@sapphireluv2705]

i mean what would you expect from them ? they don't even have brain

[@japanesecar1501]

@@fliptomylou8880 The TFlop thing is not the case here. What those comparisons match, is comparing the "quality 4K gaming" unchecked hearsay, as equal to actual not upscaled 4k, that computes visual detail way above what the consoles do. Those arguing in that space have never heard of TFlops, and just know about resolution, and that consoles are gaming devices. Those guys have never seen games run on a good PC.

[@RaoulANT]

@@fliptomylou8880 I can say the same about a majority of pc gamers in general. Beiing pc gamer doesn't mean you know stuff about hardware lol. PC gamers have a really weird view of gaming in general. I think pc gamers don't know much about what gaming is, because the only thing they do is talking about hardware and playing the same old games. Gaming is more then pc, and for a long time (still). The most AAA games are on console and not pc. I'm saying this as PC and console gamer. Maybe your should come out of that box and see whats more then that pc of yours.

[@WillAmbiance]

There is a solid reason for the PS5 Pro, if you care… Instead of Quality Mode at 30FPS, it’s now 60FPS. & many games that struggled hitting 60, are now consistent 60. Pretty simple. Playing Spiderman Remastered/2 at Quality Mode with Ray Tracing + 60FPS, is a big deal. While the price should’ve been $600 max… & I do see where you aren’t gonna notice much on side by sides, the 60FPS is huge. I personally just can’t do 30FPS, but 60FPS is a game changer. I have a Alienware R16 with RTX4080 and 60-120FPS max settings is what I do. But I like playing while in bed a ton Vs my PC room, so PS5 Pro doing all it’s games finally in 60FPS is why I finally got one instead of the Base PS5. Doubling of frame rate is huge, sadly you can’t notice it unless you’re playing, and then it’s a big deal.

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

but it wasnt even locked at 60 fps, games were around 50-60 fps, not stable. and some games even had stutters with 33 fps being the 1% lows...... playing a game with non stable fps feels worse than locked at a specific framerate. unless you got FPS numbers thats far beyond what console can deliver

[@lammyjammer6670]

It's transformational in GT7 for VR. That's why I bought it. In general, this thing is a nice to have. I do have to note that over time, high specs will deliver diminishing returns in terms graphics quality. People cannot realistically expect future consoles to look as dramatically better as games did from PS1 - PS2 or PS2 - PS3 even. This is probably a preview of the PS6... we may get better clarity but the new generation's challenge is related to lightning and clarity which often time is perceived as minor changes considering developers have gotten pretty good at giving passable lighting effects using non-traced techniques due to decades of experience.

[@Judgementkiryu]

As a mainly PCVR sim racing enthusiast, GT is the only reason I get on PlayStation. There’s nothing else like it

[@HydrogLox]

“PC gaming” is a misnomer. It's become “GPU gaming”. The 60/40 (GPU/rest) cost split rule of thumb aligns with this; the PC parts are just minor support parts to the GPU. The GPU itself dominates and is just as monolithic as a gaming console and the vendors of both have monopolistic aspirations. The PS5 Pro is just a manifestation of the (economically) diminishing returns that GPU-oriented gaming has been facing for years in the PC space. And PC ports will always be “unoptimized” for somebody as long as there is no GPU (driver) standardization as developers will likely only give priority to one GPU vendor; so any available performance headroom will invariably be consumed by those games that don't optimize for your particular parts. Already there is one favoured GPU vendor and their products have become progressively more expensive while only providing marginal performance improvements with each successive generation.

[@space.raider.2271]

that's bollocks I'm afraid. all other PC components and especially the CPU have a huge impact on games. the fact that you can use any peripheral on PC, from the latest and greatest VR headset down to the most ancient controllers, or just plain old keyboard and mouse, which enabled the complexity of classic MMOs and immersive story-driven first person shooters. additional software - overlays, video/streaming, mods, emulators, hacks. for a great deal of PC games you don't even need a discreet GPU. PC can enhance your gaming in a million more ways than just graphics.

[@HydrogLox]

@@space.raider.2271 It's your choice if you need a supercar to pick up your groceries but that's hardly a most-bang-for-the-buck scenario. Typically the highest end GPU will still be the bottleneck at max settings even with a Ryzen 5 7500F. To make the CPU the bottleneck you have to reduce the graphics settings so that the GPU can operate at a higher FPS, giving the CPU more work to do. This is why in “CPU Reviews, How Gamers Are Getting It Wrong” they need to drop to 1080p native to show the most dramatic difference between a 7700X and 9800X3D. So from that perspective putting most of your investment toward the GPU while only committing just enough to keep the CPU from becoming the bottleneck for your particular usage profile is the way to go.

[@imo098765]

to nitpick Silent Hill 2 got patched so it doesnt have the horrible flickering of PSSR, ie they removed PSSR I think its the denoising of PSSR thats subpar for other than PS first-party games

[@brucepreston3927]

It is definitely a denoising filter that is causing the issues...I feel pretty confident that this issue will get fixed pretty soon.

[@feniksphoenix8026]

If you know a bit about AI upscaling, you know the technology works, but needs a lot of render time, even with the best gear under the hood. How can PSSR do that in realtime?

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

For the price of a Pro honestly you could do some major upgrading to your current PC build for most people.

[@UMADl3RO5]

Seeing the side by side comparisons just makes me realize how much of a graphics snob I am. I can absolutely tell a difference. If you cant tell the difference idk if you’re even looking close enough. At a distance it might be harder to tell but if you really look there is a difference. If you dont think its enough to be worth an upgrade than fair enough. But people like moist saying there is no difference is insane. There 100% is an improvement, if you dont like the improvement thats fair tho.

[@GraveUypo]

you're a huge fanboy, that's what it shows you. i have a sharp eye for these things, i couldn't tell the fkn difference in two of the games, two of them looked better, two of them looked objectively MUCH worse.

[@UMADl3RO5]

@@GraveUypo I dont own a PlayStation nor would you catch me owning one lmao. Objectively, I can tell the difference. There is no debate. I got all of them right. I have a high end pc because I specifically do mot like playing on low settings. Maybe your eye just isnt as trained as well as you think it is.

[@gamebroskii438]

I think gaming is gonna be a luxury soon. The world we had when we were kids in the 90s is gone.

[@terra1555]

1996 to 2013 was honestly the golden age of video games.

[@NothingCoherent]

You can play over 30 years of retro games on a cheap last gen phone right now. Gaming is the very best it's ever been. Modern AAA is trash but that doesn't take away much from the insane amount of options available to a kid getting into gaming for the first time.

[@xXYannuschXx]

@@terra1555 Honestly the golden era of everything. -affordable gaming hardware and amazing games -great movies -great music -affordable housing -low living costs -amazing and affordable cars (especially the used market).

[@a8f235]

I remember PS1 when it was new. That felt pretty revolutionary. Just starting up the console was special. Everything in 2024 is so safe which is why nothing feels authentic anymore.

[@xXYannuschXx]

@@a8f235 The last time I got that "this is revolutionary" feeling was when I booted up HL:A for the first time after getting the Index.

[@prauwnsauce]

If you squint and don’t breathe and get real close and put a magnifying glass to your eye you can almost see that you wasted 700 bucks.

[@thisguysgaming7246]

😂 I love how ps5 pro fans keep saying it’s better than a a high end pc but it’s on par with a 500 dollar pc rtx2070 it’s barely better than base ps5

[@leonhantz6383]

So prove it then, you would get a lot of views on YT

[@thisguysgaming7246]

@ why don’t you go on google and look it up bruh. I don’t gotta buy a ps5 pro to look up its specs it’s GPU is made by AMD

[@leonhantz6383]

@@thisguysgaming7246 Yeah but these go up to11...

[@thisguysgaming7246]

@@leonhantz6383 the ps5 is not a bad console the rtx2070 is an amazing gpu. I’m just disappointed that Sony really didn’t upgrade the ps5 pro. The ps5 pro should’ve been 500 dollars would’ve been a steal cause you wouldn’t have to put it together.

[@continental_consumer]

I get the sentiment but you are NOT getting something better than a ps5 for 500, let alone a ps5 pro. You need to invest like 800 for something even on par with a base ps5. And if youre already doing that you might as well just invest a couple hundred more for something more powerful.

[@astrea555]

Passing the optimization work the devs should be doing on the consumers. Pathetic.

[@skyirwin1445]

It's called diminishing returns. It's been an issue in tech for a while. Sometimes, the curve plateaus.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

But the price isn't plateauing, in fact it's the opposite. Tbh, I think the problem lies with the whole industry cutting corners.

[@GraveUypo]

this is not really diminishing returns. it's because this pro version is not anywhere near powerful enough to justify its existence. it needed at the bare minimum to be twice as powerful as the base model. it doesn't come CLOSE to that. the xbox one x was triple of the base model. the ps4 pro was twice as fast as the base model --- and that one already wasn't worth it imo, things looked good enough in the base ps4. this stupid, expensive thing is like 35% faster than base.

[@J0ttaD]

I remember a kid that was a trainee like me saying ps4 was gonna do 4k and me explaining its fake and bro kept talking his big dumb mouth. Now knowing ps5 pro will still do fake 4K, I wonder if bro still would argue with me. The amount of people that i've seen online this dumb makes me understand why alien left us.

[@matthewhardwick8208]

Honestly I want to know what developers personally think. Did they want or need more powerful hardware? Or were they perfectly happy with the regular PS5? What I don't understand is Mark said the Pro was going to eliminate choosing a specific mode. But we're not seeing that at all. In fact more Pro modes are being patched in. So it's more confusing to me.

[@mitsuhh]

Cerny said close the gap and narrow the difference

[@bomberdomme7308]

how blind can you be if you not seing the differences of those screenshots ? the ladder on the left much more blurry the windows of that tower on the left side You can't watch throght it on thee right side you can clearly watch inside. people acting stupid.

[@Tech-is1xy]

20:19 I'm not sure what else you were expecting. That's a similar ratio to the PS4 compared to the PS4 Pro. Of course the more expensive console that doesn't target the average consumer, is going to sell less.

[@A_xothermic]

0:43 taking notes from Iceberg Tech?

[@be.h-1]

bro i heard pisser while i was eating ,thought it was an insult to ps5 pro xD

[@Fuscao_Preto]

The PS5 Pro PSSRs me off.

[@Blind_Hawk]

Sony wouldn't struggle if they made a pro-consumer console. You know. All that good stuff plus disc drive and the ability to actually own your games.

[@Fishster]

That’s not just on Sony all software has always been licensed even when it came on floppy’s or CDs. That’s a separate issue.

[@Neo_Rain146]

If anyone ever needed a reason to ditch consoles for PC gaming then the PS5 pro is it. Here in Europe it’s €800 for the console and with the disk drive and stand we’re close to €1000. Id rather get a better spec’d PC for that price

[@TRIPPYMAINE92]

Here I am, from the Netherlands. As they revealed the specs and price of the pro version, I decided to fk Sony back. All games will be cross play cross platform cross progression in the near future. No more €150 subscription psn a year. Next console will be priced absurd. People are sheeps these days. You need to fck big corporations and let them know when enough is enough. That price will keep increasing. It’s on my desk if I need a little more heat in my room. I got a LG Ultragear 45 inch curved oled, i7-14700KF - 4060 TI 16GB. 64gb ddr4. 5tb storage.. look for marketplace and search the item find it second hand brand new for way cheaper. Next upgrade is 4080 super or 50 series. I forgot to tell about GeForce now if you can’t afford a beefy gpu. Only winning on pc. Ooh and I can pirate things like we did in 2008 👀👀. I play a game and if I like it I buy it. Like I create my own demos.

[@2810Mad]

If you go used you can get an EVEN BETTER deal

[@Neo_Rain146]

@ Exactly, so many people upgrading their systems with the new GPUs set to come out next month so lots of good deals to be had on RTX 3000/4000 series or AMD 6000/7000 series. Pair that with a R5 7500f for +-150$ and you’re good to go with a system far superior to PS5 Pro.

[@titan_fx]

Somehow the PS5 Pro doesnt make me feel confident about RDNA 4's performance improvement. I mean that 67% more cores and 28% more memory speed doesn't make a huge jump in PS5 Pro. And not to mention the price increase.

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

It's the exact same CPU, so there's a decent chance the GPU is bottlenecked. But it's also different to a dedicated GPU. Personally don't think it's a good indicator of what the Radeon RX 8000 series will be like.

[@12coco100]

the ray tracing efficiency is from rdna 2 not the whole gpu architecture. I believe it's still rdna 2 cores.

[@mitsuhh]

@@12coco100 it's not rdna 2

[@12coco100]

@@mitsuhh My bad I ment to say the rt efficiency are from rdna 4 not 2

[@relevsethekrvken]

lol i literally cannot tell the difference in most of them

[@The-Steve-The]

why is it confusing that they include a 30fps mode when the 60fps mode can't hit the target? You answer your own question pretty much everytime you ask it.

[@ellathebeagle547]

Sony needs to bring a pisser edition pro in piss stained yellow 🤣

[@glawian8745]

I don't understand the point of eliminating the 30 FPS modes in very heavy games like Alan Wake 2. It's not like it maxes out the settings at 60 FPS mode now on PS5 Pro or even at the Quality mode. There is still a lot of room for this game, so it would be *maybe* maxed out on PS7. Removing it just takes the option to play on higher resolution and that's it. Don't get the point honestly. I've played this game maxed out on 4K with locked 40 FPS and it was simply worth it for such slow paced game.

[@glawian8745]

Aso quality mode on PS5 PRo in AW2 is just ugly so I would still keep the 30 FPS mode, but just left RT untouched and increase base resolution. If the floor is crawling due to the bad RT just fucking keep it off lmao

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Because its a console. If you want options and control over how you play your games, go PC.

[@RockTFKon]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat But the console does that..... ? LOL

[@edouardmorisseau7748]

I watch Digital Foundry too...and basically most of the stuff Vex is saying is misleading. Funny how DF (who've had countless hours, hands on with it) thinks the Pro is a worthy upgrade but he doesn't. He hasn't touched one and he's telling us to compare side by side shots on his KZbin vids. Shame, I typically like this channel. PC dudes have a blatantly clear agenda.

[@vrubayka]

Why does the opinion of DF matter more than others?

[@samgoff5289]

@@vrubayka because they said somthing he agrees with, obviously

[@RaoulANT]

@@vrubayka Even DF has a agenda, but at least they have touched the console like the gamers who have it. This video is a lot of clickbait nonsense and misleading just to be nagative.

[@edouardmorisseau7748]

@@vrubayka because when you're analyzing a product, you should probably have some hands on time with it. So yeah, in regards to this subject, they're more credible. And they have a track record of being experts who are honest and fair. This isn't hard.

[@Yonisomjen]

I say to forget about the ps5 pro because it’s to Mach expensive at 500$ it’s a good price but no more than 500$

[@JohnSmith-uu5ov]

Sony: Bend over, that'll be $700 dollars please.

[@themartonfi]

Got Fortnite and Jedi Survivor wrong but honestly for most of these games it's incredibly difficult to tell the difference in quality and this is coming from someone who has a very queen eye for detail. I wouldn't expect the average gamer to notice any difference outside of raytracing reflections in some titles which is insane for a mid gen refresh that costs as much as it does.

[@ellathebeagle547]

As day one playstation fan i gotta say im so dissapointed with this gen the ps5 with 8k 60fps sticker on was such a scam. now the piss3r station 5 pro again a scam... Im so dissapointet with sony i'll wait for ps6 or ps6pro just to play the ps4 and 5 games in 4k 60fps 😑

[@leonhantz6383]

Why is it a scam? They told you the specs and how it improves on existing performance. It is early days for it, like DLSS which is now on it's 3rd iteration. At least Sony are trying to improve current gen gaming, what is anybody else doing, oh just moaning.

[@mitsuhh]

The box never said 8K 60fps

[@mitsuhh]

Ella the liar.

[@ThaPugster]

Alan Wake can look as realistic as possible, it’s still boring as shit 😂

[@gerardotejada2531]

PSSR is awfull!!!! How do they screw It so bad???

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

two games out of the 110 looks worse thanks to the developer and you call PSSR awfull? Mate FSR thats been out for years is blurry and awfull ;)

[@mikhailn4609]

@@jacooosthuizen3593 exactly. guys seem to forget that 4 years later (or how many?) FSR is still crap and DLSS 1.0 was laughed upon. PSSR is already better in most cases compared to FSR and will only get better. Will it be on the DLSS level? Probably not.

[@НААТ]

@@mikhailn4609 fsr is still crap? LOL. maybe stop playing on 1080p

[@mikhailn4609]

@@НААТ it's the worst mainstream upscaler by a mile. Maybe calling it crap is a bit too harsh but I just wish they used ML in their algorythms. And I really like AMD products, but the issue is that in terms if features they are quite behind.

[@SapiaNt0mata]

@@mikhailn4609 new AMD gpu will have AI upscaling. comparing an AI upscaling of ps5 pro vs the non-AI upscaing of AMD. you can't be more disingenuous than this.

[@KniveMikoto]

Stellar Blade being this GOOD on a PS5 Pro is such a nice beta test to us PC Players.

[@GP-wu1eu]

Wait until GTA 6 comes out. This weird narrative against the ps5 pro will flip. KZbinrs like this just say whatever the popular opinion is at the moment, that’s obvious lol (hence all the clips of the famous KZbinrs).

[@RockTFKon]

Cope

[@GP-wu1eu]

@@RockTFKon lol keep hating cuz you don’t own one

[@RockTFKon]

@@GP-wu1eu Don't need one, got a superior PC.

[@utopic1312]

one game really?

[@B_Machine]

By the time GTA comes out, the landscape will be vastly different with new GPUs and probably price drops on current gen parts. People will have higher expectations, at least looking over from PC.

[@aragornelesar3862]

About the whole disc drive thing, it hurts even more in Australia. Games are $125 digitally (roughly $80 USD), but you can often get them for $89-99 physically at one of our big electronic goods stores ($57-64usd) on release day, and the sales are way better than the digital ones as well.

[@wilddropbear7215]

Elden Ring had a "Pro Patch" but the game is CPU limited, The PS5 Pro didn't upgrade the CPU so the GPU is being bottle-necked, Every CPU limited game on PS5 Pro only gets 1-4 FPS higher under favourable circumstances and it fluctuates

[@acf8888]

That's From's fault though. The game engine used for Elden Ring is not intended for open world games. PS 5 CPU should be plenty enough for an open world game like Elden Ring.

[@FSAPOJake]

I have a PS5 Pro, and EVERY game with PSSR has some sort of film grain effect. Even Spider-Man 2 and Gran Turismo 7 have it, just to a much lesser extent than games like Alan Wake 2 due to the higher input resolution. But it's there.

[@CrashBashL]

So the ideea behind PS5 Pro is to give us Fidelity mode visuals at Performance mode FPS. And it does. That's the wole idea behind it. And it does it. Yet you want 2x-3x visual improvements just for extra drama. If 50 games have a good PSSR implementation, you say nothing. But if 3 games have bad PSSR implementation, you jump off your seat screaming that PS5 Pro is a scam. It couldn't be a developer error, right ?! I bet you already forgot how many games I said that have good PSSR implementation.

[@crunchymushy]

wow look at the certified pisser over here haha

[@edgarleon4680]

Sony’s lucky to have a dick rider as good as you

[@worm6820]

"so the idea behind the ps5 pro is to give us fidelity mode visuals at performance mode fps, and it does" why do people always comment on videos without watching them? lol

[@adarion2994]

I have that tras .. console, and PSSR doesn't deserve any praise, it's still in beta, I mean even in game where DF told us it was really well implemented, I saw many artefact, PSSR seems to be really bad to handle lightnings and that's kind of disturbing, I don't think it should have been released in that state even for first party title, and I believe that FSR can eventually do a better job

[@CrashBashL]

@@adarion2994 You know how machine learning works ?! Of course PSSR is in beta. That's why they had to release the PRO with it. It will LEARN in time, and eventually be a better product for the PS6 and onwards. DLSS was in beta when the RTX 2xxx series was released, and it was in a better state when the RTX 3xxx series was released. MACHINE LEARNING. But sadly, even some tech enthusiasts forgot how Machine Learning (anything) works. Pfff...even now there are games with bad DLSS implementations released.

[@Rob0tacon]

$799 plus $79 plus $29 plus TAX….you’re spending a thousand dollars on a PlayStation.

[@theantgre]

Holy hell the other voice audio tracks are crazy robotic

[@bradj9251]

Just got a PS5 Slim Disc Edition for $424 with my employee discount & a brand new Japanese Backwards Compatible PS3 in the same week. The base PS5 is great imo, i feel like it hasnt had its full potential used while we got a mid-gen upgrade while maintaining the same CPU. The CPU should've been upgraded in the Pro.

[@miller42]

It's sad that they keep forcing that 4K meme when most of their games can barely reach 60fps at 1080p.

[@daveb9402]

799€ for the Pro in the EU and another 119€ for the drive + 50€ for the stand. That's like 1030$ but where's the value?

[@TheOutsider69]

And now it's gonna be $1,000 with the Trump tax! 😂

[@lukelou9008]

Shut up Kamala

[@Kenshinbtt]

The tariffs are a threat a leverage to get them to stop flooding the country with their criminals if anything the cost is gonna remain the same cause sony is just greedy now

[@slythorn7482]

Has Kamala ever worked in the private sector, or does she only focus on stealing public money?

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Yeah the economy has really been doing great under Biden dolt!

[@Christina-g4s]

Or If you're a giant like Sony, you open a factory in America and avoid import costs.

[@Sticky_White_Stuff]

PS5Pro: The Shimmering Mess For $700. You're literally alpha testing PSSR for $700, and while doing so, lured into their dogshit digital echosystem where sales is unknown to humankind.

[@عمجميع]

i don't care about ps5 pro but it take my attention when they say 2x or 3x of ray tracing it gave us glance of rdna 4 🧐

[@jasonvors1922]

That's like smoking a bong and getting free weed out of thin air

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Except it ain't really 2 or 3x faster in any rl scenario yet.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatit is, grand turismo 7 on ps5 pro looks amazing. 2x or 3x faster doesn't mean framerates. It's the difference between having only raytraced shadows to having shadows, reflections, lighting

[@RockTFKon]

@@dagnisnierlins188 It's 45% faster than base, so clearly not 3 - 4x and no GT7 looks nearly identical to base console even with RT on.

[@leorelic]

@@dagnisnierlins188 Gran Turismo 7's base is for PS4. which is a console from 11 years ago no wonder RT looks better on it. try that scenario with other games and 9 times out of 10 its either not drastic or overall bad for performance that said , screw RT i don't give a shit about no RT. i want my old school pre-baked lighting and reflections that were done properly

[@fomnik9276]

only buying PRO for GTA 6. already have good PC but was waiting for 6 for many years

[@edouardmorisseau7748]

Funny how he talked about Digital Foundry as "The Tech Review Guys" but didn't play ANY of their analysis. Instead, he show Linus, Skill Up, Angry Joe, Asmongold, etc.

[@chromesucks5299]

He literally used their frame time screens/video playing and showing the fps differences bruh

[@edouardmorisseau7748]

@@chromesucks5299 Bruh, it was 5 seconds of a compressed video from another KZbin channel that got it from another video. If you think that's good analysis, you're funny. Watch Digital Foundry instead of this guys if you want honest tech analysis. Oh and the frame counter snippets are misleading. Even base model PS5 games get 60 fps (or more depending) for the most part. He cherry picked instances where game devs didn't best optimize.

[@chromesucks5299]

@@edouardmorisseau7748 the fucking video wasnt the point, it was THE GRAPHS THAT WERE RUNNING ON IT, Esp the frame time ones. Completely missed the point. You can literally READ the fps count on corner.

[@pedrorocha6203]

Does the disc drive from US works on EU consoles? The current price here is around 200€ (210$), since none are available at retail :\

[@iAmazingGrace]

I got everyone right, but only because you said Silent Hill and Alan Wake was worse on the Pro. This console should never have been made lol

[@2810Mad]

The ps5/xbox one series L 360 whatever hte fuck it's called is a waste of money. This generation of consoles except the nintendo switch has been a huge waste of money.

[@RockTFKon]

Said it from day 1 of it's announcement it is a worthless console with no games, this is just the cherry on top.

[@pjotrnygard1447]

the worst thing is how they called it pisser who in their right mind in marketing made up that name, yeah lemme just enhance the quality with my Pisser magic

[@NothingCoherent]

I'm just over here wondering if it's time for Valve to try and enter this space again. Steam Machine 2.0, done right this time. Steam Deck has shown us that they can make compelling first party hardware. I want them to do a console.

[@EmilKlingberg]

The grain in the upscaler is an issue that relates to the method they use. All the ML upscalers resolve their image from a noise feed. And its effect here is likely a choice they made to make it appear sharper, as when you let it resolve too much, images tend to become more blurry with longer ghost trails and take longer. The noise is a tradeoff of those.

[@raven679-m3i]

20:31 you know ps5 pro is not a next gen console is fucking ps5 with better gpu more ram and better rt Xbox one x and ps4 pro was fucking resolution increase and that's it

[@jasonvors1922]

PS5 pro is just a PS5 without barely any changes for 800$ thanks amd.

[@lucashall8761]

6:40 I got all but two of the tests, Silent Hill 2 and Alan Wake were harder for me to distinguish.

[@snix7613]

_PS5 Amateur for days_ 🎉

[@buckbreaker5185]

Lol ps5 is trash bro what do you even play?

[@kaimojepaslt]

@@buckbreaker5185 if he is console player, paying half the price is obviously way to go

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

PC stomps both 🗿🗿

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

@@buckbreaker5185 He's not an FPS gamer. Who tf plays just competitive games anymore?

[@paulie_tremolo]

1:00 that's if you can even find that disk drive on store shelves, here in Europe is out of stock and scalpers are selling them for the equivalent of 160-180$. Groovy.

[@LabyrinthMole]

Mine went back about a week ago. I'm still enjoying the original PS5, mainly with PS4 titles and versions like Elden Ring.

[@RockTFKon]

Best option, base PS5 is respected.

[@MachineChrist6]

I always go by first, is it fun, second is it smooth and finally are the graphics noticeable and is it integrated in a way I don't notice becasue I'm invested in the gameplay.

[@buckbreaker5185]

Its amazing the Playstation 5 has no games yet they are releasing a pro version. Watch it struggle with gta6 too 😂😂😂😂

[@kaimojepaslt]

oh it will struggle

[@jasonvors1922]

for around 1200 you can build a brand new PC that would squash this, Amd is pushing for higher margins consoles will eventually die out if this keeps up

[@Bargate]

It will struggle because of basically 0 cpu improvement and open world games are the most CPU demanding games so yeah 30fps until the PC version comes

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@jasonvors1922 not even 1200, a 1000 usd PC will destroy this.

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

A PC needs a keyboard and mouse, while a console DOESN'T. Despite PC being the best gaming platform, it doesn't even have the best simplicity to just get into a game. You'd have to install Windows or Linux (Depending on what GPU you have), and grab a USB Wi-Fi adapter for internet. And plus, the PS5 Pro's GPU is equivalent to an RTX 4070. You can't even get a PC with that card for the same $700 as the PS5 Pro.

[@NormalCleanCars]

Need for Speed unbound $17 on Disc is good price. Its $5 on Steam

[@Techsnowball]

early congrats on 100k !

[@supercool-e4t]

wow, that pisser looks terrible. Thanks for the call out

[@jasonrodgers6192]

Sony boys gonna come in here attacking you lol

[@rez_ava]

oh no . butthurt ps fanboys incoming ....

[@baronvonslambert]

I currently run an RX 6700 10GB, which is effectively the card equivalent to the plain jane PS5's GPU, and I have been perfectly happy with it, though I have it paired with a 5800X3D and way more RAM. The only serious upgrade offered is PSSR over FSR, and if they weren't upscaling to 4k from 1440p on BOTH the pro and the plain jane 5, FSR would look just fine, it's a perfectly acceptable upscaler as long as you're not ya know, quadrupling the pixels, and are little more conservative. The problem is that both 9th gen consoles are 1440p machines hardware wise that are being asked to do 4k. They really should have let the XBoneX and PS4 Pro cook through the no go outside times instead of forcing a new generation out to hop on the raytracing bandwagon. Essentially, the PS5 Pro is what the launch PS5 SHOULD have been, and that's why there's not much improvement over the plain jane PS5.

[@konvictz0007]

Pretty biased - why are pc gamers so upset about PS5 Pro? I don't remember seeing you doing a comparison between a 3060 and 4060, you'll see even less of a difference. The fact that we are getting up to 40% better performance (confirmed by Digital Foundry), that alone makes it worthwhile. How can it push people to PC gaming when it costs about $1100 to build a similar performing PC? You say it's not selling well, but it's selling better than the PS4 Pro - I like your content, but it's just too biased for this one.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

They need constant reassurance that their gaming rigs are better than the consoles, its actually pathetic. Most are running on old weak hardware at 1080p in reality lol!

[@vextakes]

Bruh, I made a comparison about the 4060 and 3060, it’s one of the most viewed videos on my channel. Cmon now

[@AstroBot-bc0213]

@@konvictz0007 last I checked it wasn’t just pc gamers it was size able chunk of console gamers aswell 40% faster means nothing if you can’t even see the difference AND it runs/looks worse than the base model in some cases which can easily be had for less than half the price

[@acf8888]

Nvidia gens are biannual while the PS 5 Pro came 4 years after PS 5. The better comparison would be 2060 to 4060 since it's a similar time frame. There's possibly a bigger performance difference between the 2060 and 4060 than the PS 5 and the Pro and guess what? The 4060 launched at the same price as the 2060.

[@XxViciousxX]

​@@bfhandsomeface409Na we're just tired of seeing console fanboys who don't understand technology tell us their console is faster than a 4090. It's a nice midrange console just be happy with it.

[@CarsDogs]

My local GameStop said they can’t keep PS5 Pros in stock, it’s not like they’re getting a lot but they’re getting 2-3 every week & have been selling out. Was talking to the guys in there the other day when picking up my 30th Anniversary controllers.

[@wickstorm_records]

It's a gta 6 machine for people with money like me.

[@Whreck11]

Which will play at 30 fps as base ps5

[@wickstorm_records]

@ yes

[@Crimsongz]

Thank you for beta testing

[@slythorn7482]

@@Crimsongz LMAO

[@worm6820]

@@Crimsongz salute our brave beta testers.