The truth about mass migration

[@TheMarketExit]

Many comments express concern that immigration has led to a surge in crime in Sweden. This suprises me, because the data does not support that concern. Crime rates (number of reported crimes) have either decreased or remained stable over time in Sweden.* During the same period, the population has increased, which means that the crime rate has decreased. Equally important, the rate of lethal violence has decreased over time. It was higher in the early 1990s.** Considering that the population in the early 1990s was 8.5 million and today it's 10 million, the decrease appears even more significant. It concerns me that so many seem to have been misled about the state of crime in Sweden. I also know many of you commented before watching the whole video. That’s too bad because if you watch it all the way through, you'll see that the professor's views on migration is quite nuanced. Anyways, thanks for watching and commenting -- cheers! * See offial statistics at bra.se/statistik/kriminalstatistik/anmalda-brott.html ** See official statistics at bra.se/download/18.62c6cfa2166eca5d70e1dc50/1615395172351/2019_6_Dodligt_vald_i_Sverige_1990_2017.pdf

[@kammaral1]

This is not true. Please stop misleading your viewers.

[@bartholomew941]

You’re a bare faced liar. Who is paying you?

[@TheMarketExit]

​@@kammaral1 Kammaral, on what data or statistics are you basing that allegation?

[@kammaral1]

@@TheMarketExit I replied to your pinned comment three times and none of them have been published. You'll find the information in those comments.

[@TheMarketExit]

That's strange. Did the comments include links? In that case maybe KZbin's filter restricted them. Let's do this: If you email me your comment with the information, I can post it here so people can see it. [e-mail] Cheers!

[@MoniiChanTheUnicorn]

We need to stop looking at GDP. I am Irish and the GDP in Ireland grew tremendously during my early working years, much better than my parents time, but I am worse off than them yet more educated and with a "better" job than they had. GDP is only a good measure for wealthy people (home owners, business owners who can employ cheap labour/not deal with labour laws etc). What is wrong with being more like Japan, a degrowth/stagnant economy? It makes no difference to me if my pay increases but the price of everything else increases, in Japan they protest over a change in price!

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

From an American, I absolutely agree that this is the case you would think that Americans are the richest people in the world while in reality we have less than our parents and are getting poor by the day. If you want to mirror the economic system of the United States don’t. Everything that’s been done since the early 1970s in the United States, including international trade has worked to undermine the position of US workers and the general population. Well making the top one percent exceedingly rich we have more billionaires than any other country and our people and their living conditions are drastically going down year by year. Not taxing the rich while printing Fiat money is a recipe for inequality because the Fiat money distributed into the economy always goes back to the rich because they own all the companies where the money is being spent and they can avoid taxation so there’s no way to get it back from them to distribute to anyone. And yet the government will continue redistributing from everyone via Fiat money when you print the money, what you are doing is inflating the value of the currency , and deluding the buying which is held by the rich and poor the poor have less buying power to spend, and even though the rich due to the other recipients of the income at a larger proportion so they will always get disproportionately rich well all money is diluted the poor become poor and become richer because they are the recipient of the . The idea that England is almost as poor as Mississippi is ridiculous. If you were to remove the top 1% and look at GDP in the United States it would drastically fall. I have never heard of an American that lived in Europe or currently lives in Europe, that thought life was not better in Europe than it was in the United States at least materially, as far as having money left over at the end of the month and the cost of housing. I’m not saying I would want to live in Europe because most of the countries are tyrannical in their very nature and this could be seen during Covid the Austrians are no less Nazi today than they ever were. Unfortunately American capitalism is a shit show. Scam held up by the petrodollar and by externalizing inflation by getting everyone to use the dollar by loaning out massive amounts of it and debt that have to be repaid in dollars and other similar schemes. Of course, all other countries do this as well, so I don’t feel bad For the people to whom it is externalized because they are just trying to avoid even worse local currencies that do the same thing.

[@sarikamishra1897]

@SeanAustace-zk3mc your points make a lot of sense but believe me- the situation is much worse in other regions of world today. In India, we are having impressive growth rate, massive FDI and GDP has grown tremendously during these years but the wealth gap has become worst. I feel quite amazed when I hear that another Indian made it to Forbes list while 60 % of population has to be provided with basic necessities by government. I do think that Europeans have a better condition than USA. My friend who has been to both places told me about importance of leisure in life of a European but still many European economies are also facing crisis these days. It's time of Global Recession followed by wars which have made us economically worse.

[@LITTLE-ROCK]

​@@sarikamishra1897 even before I knew the details, years ago I once said to an acquaintance of mine that one particular neighbour of India was generally richer than India. My theory was that India had around 100 billionaires while that country had none, and its GDP was a bit lower than India's. So wouldn't that country's common people have more wealth than India's? Also a lot of this talk about GDP growth is mere numbers connected to stock price of companies that may go down or even vanish later.

[@grzegorzrokita2330]

GDP to jest oszustwo! Propaganda nowej kasty korporacyjnych gigantów nie płacących żadnych podatków i posiadających niewolników. Czyli Nas!

[@stanleyshannon4408]

The very moment an economist says GDP, I stop listening. It's propaganda.

[@TheGreyPeregrine]

Romanian here. I must say that they misrepresented the story about our health care system. Although there is no denial that Romania suffers from a brain/workforce drain, that is NOT the real reason why many patients were sent abroad for treatment. It is endemic corruption. Nurses and doctors couldn't work properly due bad conditions in hospitals, drug shortages, and last not but least mismanagement.

[@squirlmy]

@@TB-zb8jw are you an AI bot? You claim this vague "business with burn units" ?!?!? and also talk about yourself as "someone who studies economics" -that's weirdly unspecific. You say the video and people in it "say nothing," while not saying anything yourself, except maybe things in Romania would be the same, even with "communist torture"(does this mean being bored to death listening to a Western European Communist? Isn't that a Monty Python skit?)

[@monicaoanca1728]

I agree that the situation in Romania was misrepresented! What they don't mention is that the problem with uncontrolled migration is not economic but cultural!!! And this is the area which should receive more attention! It is well k own that Western countries have prospered, but... guess what, so did Romania, despite the 3 million people leaving ( I think this is too big a number, but it is irrelevant) Romania has prospered because we don't have an authoritarian regime... anymore!!!!

[@Iamam313]

the real problem with the romanian healthcare system is that patients are worthless, treated as animals and let to die (this has been fact way before covid) unless you have money for spaga (bribery). Every romanian knows you have a better chance of dying going into the hospital even from a routine procedure if you don't have the money to pay a bribery to all, doctors, nurses everyone in the system that you interact with. Not to mention in the emergency rooms, they literally step over their bodies and let them die (as if they aren't there) when they don't offer bribery.

[@mikadeksjur653]

im from poland and even tho we didnt have to send our sick ppl abroad we had quite high death rates and a lot of problems during covid. and what i wanna say is that managment is much more important than anyone could think. in poland for example we pay about 1,5-2 times more in tax rates on healthcare than in czech republic meanwhile their healthcare works without any major troubles. managment, corrupotion and (underfunding (isnt that much of a case in poland)) are in my opinion even more important than brain drain which in poland happend too on mass scale.

[@waldorfmuppet8804]

Although the real reason is important, the observed effect is correct and the resulting problems also. The real reason only becomes important IF Romenia wants to solve the problem....

[@bajes328]

I feel like we've regressed as a species if we think that reality is less important than finance.

[@anotherfreediver3639]

Indeed. Trying to find a financial reason for halting immigration might be an acceptable surrogate for the real cultural reasons that exist, but which people are afraid to voice.

[@SurmaSampo]

He is wildly misinterpreting Modern Monetary Theory which itself is a wildly crazy branch of economics. It is entirely ahistorical.

[@botowner8623]

The truth is mass migration is fundamentally defective as a concept

[@Hosenanzugtasche]

@@SurmaSampo Calling MMT ahistorical is a wack take.

[@SurmaSampo]

@Hosenanzugtasche Only if you ignore all of the inflationary and hyper inflationary periods around the world, and the subsequent government defaults over the last 100 years. And I mean those created by monetary and fiscal policy decisions not uncontrolled external factors. What is you position on the idea that a government could abandon taxation and just use a combination of debt and quantitative debt dilution through inflation to fund all government spending and economic growth? According to MMT that is the perfect solution even though it is divorced from reality. Seems pretty whack to me.

[@mac5917]

The most important thing about immigration is not Economics, it’s culture and values. Without those we dont even have a society

[@Costa_del_Artlepool]

With social cohesion intact, people can handle any problems that come their way. Without it there is nothing.

[@apachekafka773]

How about you stop invading countries, toppling government and let them chose their path? You think people just migrate because they want to?

[@gsiff4422]

And the people group who live there. A swede is someone who is Swedish, (culturally protestant, blond hair, named Sven, etc), not an Arab muslim named Muhammad who was born in a low income neighborhood of Malmo.

[@distinctlyspruce3540]

"There is no such thing as society" -Margret Thatcher 1987 It's not immigration that's wrecking society, it's the culture and values of expansionary capitalism (expressed above by Thatcher) that seeks to forever burrow its way further into every facet of our lives. The disintegration of society into individuals is planned and rational from the capitalist perspective. Instead of focusing on the ways we might differ from immigrants what if we transformed society based on a culture of solidarity where groups of regular people build power to stop corporations and oligarchs from destroying our communities and the planet in pursuit of profit.

[@andrewbrechtel8185]

@@gsiff4422 you are confusing nationality with ethnicity my friend

[@Alexius1Komnenos]

There is more to life than a political philosophy based on 'number go up'

[@gsiff4422]

yes.

[@AlexanderGeorg-i4c]

I agree but the problem with Sweden is that the numbers also went down.

[@Alexius1Komnenos]

@ many such cases

[@willkoeppen290]

Incoming people from How Money Works

[@buckyfanksy]

yes ans this video is terrible propaganda

[@dragomon2]

@@buckyfanksy Not really. Watch the entire video and you'll see that the video also mentions how devastating immigration can be. The video is NOT on how good immigration is and that it's something amazing. The video is about there are both good and bad to it, just like how there is to every single thing. The video just contains examples of the good AND the bad

[@noflexzone2.055]

@@dragomon2 yeah its surprisingly balanced

[@Khneefer]

@@dragomon2 It is propaganda, becouse: 1.Use GDP not GDP per capita PPP. 2. Made one group from all non-citizens (There is diffrence between EU origin non citizens and refugeees from middle east), 3. Do not calculate whole life impact at state budget, only look at it they work (Denmark calculate it end for middle eastern people it is negative).

[@o_s_byron2319]

​@@dragomon2bro just made one statement about how migration puts pressure on the housing market, schools policing, etc. and spent the remaining 13 minutes praising it. And what actually bothers most people is cultural issues; the claim the migrants from certain communities make zero effort into integrating. As a migrant brit I find that the politicians who are willing to have an honest discussion about migration aside from nigel farage (dude who led the brexit party, which was a bad decision in retrospect) tend to be those of colour.

[@Pouriya787]

I'm from Turkey and some argue that at least 10 million immigrants have crossed the border since the Erdoğan government declared war on Syria in 2014. Hearing prof. Hansen opened up new visions in my mind regarding the immigration issue. Yes, immigrants indeed can enhance the working power in a country. But in a country such as Turkey, where corruption is very high, immigrants are considered cheap labor, making it hard for the unions to negotiate and allowing workers' wages to go way, way down.

[@SusCalvin]

@@Pouriya787 I remember that the EU made some sort of agreement with Erdogan then.

[@KouNagai]

14 milion sounds absurd, i saw international resources that writes 5-6 milion . where do you get yor resouces ? i would like to read it.

[@Pouriya787]

@@SusCalvin Angela Merkel wrote in "Memoirs 1954-2/21" that in her term eu donated 3 billion euros to Turkey to contain refugees on its borders.

[@Pouriya787]

@@KouNagai Thank you for reminding. I edited my comment after receiving your notice.

[@mathieuguenet5360]

Well, seems like better work protection and stable status for them would benefit everybody. Almost like those who don't want this to happen have an incentive to present the two groups as enemies and not allies. Unionise everyone.

[@ericarbib4183]

You forgot what happened to a lot of Swedish cities like Malmo, where a part of population has to hide not to be hurt.

[@dirkboch128]

What part needs to hide?

[@ericarbib4183]

@@dirkboch128 The REAL SWEDISH ONE!

[@c99kfm]

@@dirkboch128 There's an interesting street interview where a local politician is telling the reporter how Malmö is safe, when a person interrupts them and in broken Swedish informs them that it is "his street" and demands to know what they're doing there and to go away. He backs off once he realizes it's national news, but it's still a quite telling clip. It's not recent, I'd guess from 2016 or thereabout.

[@InternetNonsense]

@@dirkboch128 Women and girls.

[@motim92]

What Swedish city has a higher crime rate than the average US city?

[@davidlocontes3564]

In my experience, a growing economy due to migration does not translate to a better standard of living for the population of the target country. I'm a Romanian migrant to Canada, a country with massive immigration. The standard of living has continuously dropped in Canada in the last 25 years, since I moved here. The health care system and housing affordability have both collapsed. In contrast, the standard of living has continuously improved in Romania, especially after it joined the EU. For young people, Romania is now a better country to live than Canada. Unfortunately it has also become a country with net positive migration for the first time in 2023.

[@pietrog9055]

And Romania is much safer than most Western European countries now.

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

I'm confused by your last sentence ("Unfortunately it has also become a country with net positive migration for the first time in 2023.").

[@ts109]

In that time the economies of the US and Canada have gone all in on trickle down, and austerity, cutting those programs to the bone.

[@Loanshark753]

Capital deepening is the improvement of goods and services, while capital broadening an increase of supply.

[@samuctrebla3221]

​@@gintasvilkelis2544it likely means that the immigrant are not ethnic romanians, and/or low-qualification workers, which displeases the dude. Cause otherwise immigration is not inheritly bad for the economy. Look at the whole fricking US history for starters.

[@markrittman2437]

Why was economic growth the chosen metric to evaluate the impact of immigration? You didn't mention other important factors like the GINI coefficient, which measures inequality. A March 2023 article in The Lancet reported that Sweden now ranks last among Nordic countries in this regard. Over the past decade, Sweden's GINI coefficient has risen from the mid-20s to the mid-30s, indicating growing inequality. While the wealthy benefit from cheaper labor, this deepens societal divides. Migrants are often exploited, and the average Swede faces worsening economic conditions. Shouldn't we consider the broader social costs as well?

[@sjg9887]

This is interesting. Would like to see him address this. However Sweden did a lot of things that cause inequality in this period, liberalized the economy reduced social spending privatized a bunch of stuff etc so not sure you can attribute the rise in inequality just to migration. You say that had there not been cheap labour available these inequality causing policies would not have had the same effect? It is an interesting topic

[@markrittman2437]

@@sjg9887 The same could be said of economic growth.

[@goose9515]

I don't care if a few Swedish billionaires get more money from cheap labour if hundreds of thousands of Afghans get to live a better life

[@wontonfuton]

But that isnt an issue with refugees themselves. It's a problem with capitalism, exploiting cheap labour to redistribute wealth to capitalists. The govt. shouldn't allow that to happen. Allow migrants and existing citizens to keep a greater fraction of the wealth they generate together. Aid the wealth distribution downwards through taxation, worker unions, minimum wage caps etc.

[@nicolerubin7368]

This is very relevant and will be an interesting case to follow as the immigration has brought in "cheap" labor that I'd like to see over time they can experience the social mobility that Sweden has been known for

[@ranterraver5959]

I appreciate the nuance you’re trying to bring to the immigration issue, but this is a topic that would take literal hours to even try to dissect fully. There are far more reasons local populations don’t want immigration beyond just the economy, in Canada for instance there is a severe lack of housing, a “real” constraint; so when immigration quotas go up, it severely hurts renters and takes stock out of the housing market that is badly needed. There are cultural issues as well. Very few people who live in a certain area with a certain culture will be overjoyed by a huge group of newcomers who all cling together, refuse to speak the new local language, and carry with them the baggage of a culture that isn’t congruous with their new surroundings. These are very real issues, and to ignore those in lieu of other brighter parts of immigration happens at our own peril, because they must be taken into account when discussing this topic.

[@wickermanout]

Agreed, but also he didn't go into how the immigration would help the countries with a demographic crisis due to low birth like Spain. Or how not all immigration is the same i.e. all of latin america having closwr cultural ties to spain portugal and italy and their impact when moving to the EU

[@mitchellcouchman1444]

Building new houses at record profits adds to GDP but only really benefits those with the financial capital to invest

[@dukewilliam3660]

It’s funny because westerners have done worse in their countries. 😂 getting a small tastes of your own medicine 💊

[@sassycaterpillar6631]

Housing isn't supposed to be a finite resource that acts like a source of rent seeking to the landlord class. Stop pretending as it is to rationalize your racists arguments. Plenty of data actually proving immigration (legal or illegal) is a net positive, and immigrants commit crimes at less the rate than citizens.

[@Porpentein]

It takes time. No national identity exists in a vacuum. Immigration is an old story, and your country is definitely benefiting from it (as a whole), even if some people aren’t receiving those rewards themselves. Just… just don’t do the same Nazi/ Jim Crow shit. We’ve seen that game. It’s a stupid. Do it better somehow

[@blancagonzalez284]

I'm from Spain and I'm really worried about this issue. Everyday I hear in Tv that hundreds or thousands of immigrants have come to the Canary Islands in boats. This is unaffordable and an invasion.

[@EazyDoor]

Yes it is an invasion! About 60% of all syrian migrants who arrived since 2015 still live on state welfare here in Germany. Most of them came over the landborder and not directly from Syria. Which means, by law, they have NO right to seek asylum here! Also, why did and do mostly young men arrive here? Where are the women and children?

[@antong6582]

'Invasion?' That's an interesting choice of words from a Spaniard complaining about boats arriving at the Canary Islands - you know, those islands Spain literally invaded in the 1400s, complete with actual weapons and armies. Funny how real historical invasion gets a pass, but desperate people seeking safety is somehow a crisis. And let's talk geography - you're pearl-clutching about islands that are literally closer to Africa than to Spain. The Canaries are 100km from Morocco but over 1,000km from the Spanish mainland. Maybe before throwing around words like 'invasion' next time, take a quick peek at Spanish history. Your ancestors didn't exactly arrive with tourist visas when they were sailing around conquering half the world's coastlines.

[@EazyDoor]

@antong6582 bla bla bla

[@EazyDoor]

@@antong6582 These migrants are being shipped to the Canary Island on purpose.

[@blancagonzalez284]

@antong6582 It's not my fault what my ancestors did. I've inherited the country as it is nowadays, and the Canary Islands don't belong to Morocco, they belong to Spain. Moreover, you can't see things that happened in the XVth century with the eyes of the XXIth. Similar things happened with British colonialism in many countries, and I don't blame them for that. This doesn't mean we all now have to put up with whoever wants to come to our shores without any type of identity card, without knowing if this person is a terrorist, a rapist, brings any disease, or whatever. This is not intelligent, may that happen in Spain, in Sweden, in the UK, or wherever. There are about 9 million immigrants living in Spain right now, more than the half of them illegally. How many more do you want us to take? Or maybe we should stop being a country and turn into a NGO: Spain's More Than Open Arms.

[@jbmurphy4]

Property owners benefit from high rates of migration because it keeps rents & occupancy rates high. The rest of the public lose out because of the increased load on infrastructure & services. Low stable rates of migration are what’s needed, this allows proper integration education of new migrants & gives time to develop infrastructure & services.

[@stjepankovacic5956]

What ever, but uncontrolled emigration is heavy burden to any country.

[@fiqhonomics]

Moneylending and landlording, the two major leeches in the economy.

[@Mandelasmind]

@@fiqhonomics Yes. Bankers own most of everything, especially businesses here in the U.S. The debt is serviced by squeezing out as much profit as possible usually resulting in lay offs.

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Yes, it drives up rents and housing cost for everyone so yes, landlords benefit and people looking for housing have to pay higher prices. In labor markets, the supply and demand works on similar levels where an influx of new labor drives down the overall cost of labor a benefit to the companies, but not the workers are the majority living in the society and therefore it is a net negative to most people living in the society only a positive for the business owners. It is why business owners favor immigration, where the general population of workers do not because it is against them , it drives their housing cost up and drives their labor value down while the wealthy benefit on both ends. Basic supply and demand economics no one was arguing against this. You’re spinning it. They were talking about these people commit that you’re pretending they didn’t commit.

[@bear211]

Building more houses increases the economy, and increasing investment in infrastructure also benefits the econmy. You're grasping for issues.

[@4mb127]

I don't think the cost/burden analysis is correct. It should be about lifetime value of a person to a society. Do you make more in taxes than you take in benefits? A cleaner could easily earn more than what was put into his or her education and healthcare etc. A casino manager can not just cost more to the society, but also destroy wealth by getting people addicted to gambling and destroying their lives. I did not think this was a good comparison at all. Plus you should really also mention the political tendency of capital to push for cheap labor immigration to pump up their profits. Less cheap immigration would mean higher wages as companies are forced to pay higher prices for labor. The real story in the West during the past few years seems to be growth of wealth disparity. Middle class is disappearing. Good jobs are harder to get, but stock market growth is higher than ever in history. Low cost labor immigration feeds directly into exacerbating this phenomenon.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

Spot on. Housing and wages are major costs but coincidentally they correlate positively with GDP while the working population gets stiffed with the externalities (cost/bills). There's also cultural factors that are hard to quantify: peace of mind, community, alienation... There's a study out of California recently that puts the depression of wages due to immigration at 15%. Quite significant. I think anyone could use a solid 15% more in their pocket. Lifelong care for rape victims isn't cheap either but it sure does increase gdp. Also, we don't know who they considered in their "immigrant" category. That term includes Americans who work in software for example who then skew the data due to their disproportionately high impactdie to high salaries. So this isn't as obvious as they may seem to want. Also, not everything is always about economics. People just don't want to deal with it and complicate things or have tiring debates, and the for sure don't appreciate no go zones or hand grenade attacks. Who gives af whether Sweden grew more? Useless anyways since that money was pocketed by the bosses, not the average Joe. You think Gunnar the Plumber got a 4.5% raise? Also who said there's a correlation with these Syrian Doctors and engineers? Couldve been policy changes or a change in how they measure growth, or a bunch of productive Finns coming in. More people more economic activity, duuuhhh. Do we need professors to see the correlation?

[@carl-henrikcarlsson4582]

The angle is to take down the argument that immigration is a burden from a cost perspective
 and how this phenomena is talked about. Immigration adds to the economy and not the opposite which has been the narrative. Society needs hands and not an overvalued never ending flow of digital symbols with no actual worth. England for instance has problems finding people for farming since Brexit and the new restricted policys for immigration. There is a shortage of labour everywhere in a lot of sectors, both private and public. Why is that when there is so much money out there? And the Stockmarket, how does immigration play a part of keeping wages down on a company like Volvo you mean? They are all pretty well paid. Or other companies like that. These companies benefits if anything from cheap labour and not so good regulations abroad. But these companies can't pay bad wages in Sweden. If companies on the stockmarket wants to reduce costs in order to make more profit, that hits everyone. Companies on the stockmarket taking advantage of peoples disadvantages of being newcomers exist absolutely. But that is not a problem of immigration itself. Why is Amazon aloud to exploit workers like they do in the US? Cause they can due to lack of regulations and unions not being able to put pressure on these companies for different reasons. And who benefits from that? J.B! Swedens birthrate is 1,42. Rest of Europe worse. Since you need a birthrate of 2,1 to sustain the population which is the very fundament that the society and economy relies on, we should ask ourself, ok how do we make this work? Instead we have been focusing on costs that didn't exist in the way they were presented by experts and media. Not the benefits. There is a need for another narrative to be told here. A unifying collective one. The neoliberal agenda where immigrants are made scapegoats will not be the answer if you want to see changes that benefits everyone except from the very rich.

[@milliawinters5231]

The labor unions here in Sweden are insanely powerful. You basically can't get a job without talking to one, and they will not let you start working if you agreed to a lower wage than your peers, and given that almost no where accepts cash in the country anymore, there aren't many "under the table" jobs around. Proper labor protections can help offset that particular downside.

[@kennethdarlington]

Not really. If your only metric is stock price/growth - you incentivised to do whatever to achieve that. Cutting costs, optimizing business structure, offshore everything etc.

[@chriswatson1698]

The benefits that an immigrant receives are not just public services and handouts. They enjoy reliable electricity supplies, roads, bridges, dams, water and power distribution networks, education, telecommunications, health and welfare systems, that have taken the native population generations to build. Immigrants crowd up everything. Immigrants contribute to the need for still more infrastructure, that everyone has to pay for, not just the newcomers that make it necessary,

[@TeddyKrimsony]

oh the GDP would totally grow when housing prices inflate but the economic condition of the people is actually worse as they can't get housing and/or have to sacrifice alot to get housing. GDP growth number is only good for the wealthy who own most of the economy not the average person.

[@neiltalbert7091]

Right. Canada's housing crisis for example

[@hechizzerox]

@@neiltalbert7091 whole world crisis, this is happening everywhere as people age and their retirement management move their assets to real state.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

​@@neiltalbert7091 also Australia and Ireland

[@ethanwilliams1880]

Yep, basically the main point that this video pointedly ignored, then made up some nonsensical argument for their opposition. I would also like to mention that the economic benefits the video mentions are almost all government spending and won't hold up in the longer term, though the economy will still grow due to the number of people contributing to it, so it's hard to say if it's even good for the rich.

[@bunnystrasse]

@@ethanwilliams1880exactly! This dude just said economic activity increased due to GOVERNMENT SPENDING, dafuq……why not just return the excess tax money to the payers?

[@MprivetM]

My Norwegian friend when asked about immigration to Scandinavia and specifically Sweden, said: "Sweden is middle east now, not Scandinavia". So please tell me how great the economical boom has been for Malmo for example...

[@jespersvensson89]

As a Swede, I can say that Sweden is still Sweden. And a part of being Swedish is to be welcoming. Please take your beliefs and implications and shove them up where they belong - the late 1800’s

[@trueinsider513]

People think they are "helping" economy by replacing or destroying its own culture. Even worse weak and traitor people are manipulated into thinking they are improving it by replacing it. Which makes absolutely no sense. If one have a sick organ you dont cut it and try to live without it..

[@JudithMirville-Deschanels]

No. Most migrants in Sweden are from close countries, like Russia or the Baltic states.

[@trueinsider513]

@@MprivetM every day is passes nordic countries look anything but nordic. Thats not only morally incorrect nor safe but neither economically useful.

[@reaux3921]

@@JudithMirville-Deschanels60% of r*ped in Sweden are comitted by migrant maIes

[@rampage241]

I think the basic thesis is correct. The constraint is Real resources vs Financial resources. However, Real resources also includes intangible things like goodwill from the host population and this can be depleted at different rates depending on a particular immigrants background or the govt gaslighting the population when legitimate complaints are raised regarding some of the negatives of mass immigration. Also financial resources are a constraint when you take into consideration the current corrupt spending model where politically connected businesses get lucrative contracts to provide migrant services, so they spend printed money first and everyone else loses through higher than otherwise inflation.

[@TheMarketExit]

Hmm, I would lie if I said that I didn't think your comment probably may have some truth to it.

[@nananou1687]

Interesting comment

[@kammaral1]

It's not just the government gaslighting the population, it's channels like this too which point to crime statistics and then try to tell you that what you're seeing in them isn't true.

[@beth3535]

Precise. Well-articulated.

[@beth3535]

Wow.

[@abdorrahim1191]

In my country Algeria, the gouvernement stopped giving graduation diplomas to Medical students, because a lot of them will leave to work in France, and the france gouvernement is making this immigration of doctors very easy, by the way public universities are free in Algeria (Studies, transportation and Accommodation ), this is just one example, why no one is talking about these types of immigration ?

[@laro_yas]

Hello. Same problem in Morocco, no one is talking about it in my opinion because it's beneficial for the countries receiving over educated people for free, you talked about France for African speaking french countries, but check the US who is living on indians, Chinese and so on... All the powerful countries are baiting useful people from all around the world with better salaries and better life conditions... As a human being I will go where I'm treated better.

[@abdorrahim1191]

@@laro_yas They use immigrants, and i the first economic crise, they start blaming them for it.

[@laro_yas]

@@abdorrahim1191 exactly

[@AxccleratE]

Well, in India there's a perfect system to prevent that for atleast 5yrs after graduation in the medical field from public colleges. They have to work in the hospitals for that period, or pay 40k$

[@andersnielsen6044]

Brain drain has been an issue since forever. America is build upon that.. ;)

[@59Gretsch]

His position is quite understandable he sees a Country as an economic zone in nothing else. People are widgets in our interchangeable you’re not actually people connected by blood Language culture etc. it’s just a shopping zone. What’s good for business is just good.

[@Maxშემიწყალე]

My country is not its GDP. My city is my city because of its people, traditions, festivals, history and culture, not its economic output.

[@SI-cd7xs]

hes not white so he see's our countries like that. not his own.

[@Pekopekope]

I used t o live in Sweden, I was there for 6 years. I left shortly after having 4 arab teenagers surround me at a bus stop, within days a man was murdered in front of his son while they were biking under an overpass. As it is difficult to argue self defense and these parasites are often selling drugs and carrying knives or guns, you will always be on the losing side. Sweden may actually start seeing the rise of islamic cloistered communities soon and these people will cause problems for the native population. I'd actually prefer to live in sweden than where I am now but seeing how many problems the country has and their filthy habit of sweeping the issues under the rug via hiding demographics data from criminal reports, not reporting crimes at all, suppressing the police chief for stating he barely arrests swedes in comparison to others, what else are you expected to do? I will not be a victim, some pinata waiting for his turn to get his throat cut. I earned well over 100k USD equivalent there and I left because it wasn't safe to raise my kids or even to get home from work.

[@FUNBF]

My country is not your free economic breeding and developing ground... we are more and if we aren't more then we are nothing. If you want get yourself diluted not me

[@haydencarn8737]

Yes, he sees it like that, because that is the agenda being pushed. And the dude fell for it hook line and sinker.

[@anotherfreediver3639]

Nobody mentioned cultural issues. In the edge-of-London town I left ten years ago (solely because my job moved) the mosque has now overtaken the parish church in terms of weekly attendance. Much though I appreciate the contribution of immigrants to our health service - I was recently in hospital and treated by many excellent immigrant healthcare workers - I really don't want to spend my retirement in a country that is creeping towards a Sharia-law society. And the reason is, partly, an economic one, despite what your expert interviewee says: we cut back on medical training for UK students partly to save money, and partly because healthcare wages have plummeted by around 40% in real terms since the 1990s, so fewer young people want to do the work. Sadly, immigrants in work are prepared to put up with rubbish accommodation, because they think it's for the short term only, meanwhile sending some of their wages back home as remittances, and out of the UK economy, whereas British workers (largely) spend their money on British goods and services. So it's a very complex issue, and I fear that you have over-simplified by omission in some areas.

[@Edda-Online]

I don’t want to spend my retirement in a country creeping towards sharia as less as I would want to spend it in a country creeping toward Christian nationalism/extremism like in the USA. (Fortunately I don’t have to.) Having moslem immigrants in my family and living in a diverse town I am convinced the vast majority of moslem immigrants is at least as opposed to implementing sharia as right-wing-here-born. Of course, this is personal experience and view.

[@Nick4578-q4i]

@@Edda-Online If you think the USA is heading towards Christian nationalism, you should really enroll in a mental institution. The US is less Christian than it's ever been.

[@gussampson5029]

​@@Edda-Online Yes but notice that those people who fled from Islamic countries did nothing to fight against the Islamic radicals who took over their countries. They are cowards who fled and will happily support the Islamic radicals when they come to take over the UK as well.

[@TheCraigy83]

foool they're rejecting our people for the jobs so it makes the immigrants seem extra helpful , enough to fool you into complementing them 😂 .

[@zookeeper1991]

The economy can grow more rapidly while also inequality becomes worse, the rich get richer and the middle and lower classes suffer the consequences. You can't just look at one metric and say "mass migration actually helped the economy".

[@brajat5538]

it might actually be better than the place they migrated from !

[@artonio5887]

Ironically that's what's been happening in america for decades, but the main culprit in that case is the anti immigration party, with their tax cutting policies that disproportionally benefit the rich, fueling further inequality.

[@antoniomendoza2682]

And who is responsible? inmigrants or capitalist class? That is the point. Blame to low class inmigrants (who most of the case are in need) and (from my point of view) you are pointing at the wrong direction.

[@CandaEH]

@@antoniomendoza2682 Immigrants aren't responsible for seeking out a better life. Our elected officials are responsible for devaluing our labor and driving up our cost of living.

[@chief8559]

@@antoniomendoza2682Indeed, he is not so smart

[@vanderquast]

Nothing about the cultural impact of migration on the reciepiant society 🧐?

[@leonardell-bon7104]

Very true and not just culture, in Malta we hardly speak our language.

[@brajat5538]

is culture a real thing in modern societies?

[@efremkGTFO]

ah yes the 1% of imigrants causing the creation of market dirrected at stuff they would like to buy affordably, something like kebabs being sold, truly the killing blow on glorious ,and not totaly created by historical mass migration of far greater scales and melting pots, european culture

[@jonathanjacoby8775]

@@brajat5538 This is a real, legit question that I hardly see raised these days. Whenever I come across someone using the 'cultural' argument against migration, it's a thinly-veiled way of saying 'I want white immigrants only' or 'I am fine with immigrants as long as they're not Muslim because I have some personal issues that I should really work out, but I'll just blame people I've never met instead.' It's always the same accusations: their culture is violent, they are dirty, loud, rude, disrespectful...they don't integrate and they steal. We've all heard it a million times before. Every couple generations these accusations get recycled for a different 'undesirable' group, right now it's a nebulous amalgam of Islam, Arabs, and South Asians. But what ACTUAL aspects of culture are there that would clash with whatever is native to European countries? Is there such a thing? I have real trouble putting my finger on it. Anything that can be considered a true, distinct cultural tradition - for example, Lederhosen-clad brass bands and drinking copious amounts of beer in the Kneipe or Biergarten in Germany - is something that the vast majority of anti-immigration urbanites don't really have contact with in their day-to-day lives anyway. Not to mention that I don't see how the presence of immigrants would affect it in any way.

[@straft5759]

Oh fuck culture. Migration policy is an issue of human rights and freedoms, not an issue of which god we dance and kill for.

[@henriklarsen8258]

This is a fundamentally flawed view on migration. Migration is not about economic issues, but predominantly about social structures, identity and culture. The bill for immigration is not measured in economic terms, the first many years. There is however a secondary bill after many years that can be measured in economic terms, if the cultural differences is too significant. Cultural alike immigrants is often an asset, if you can activate them.

[@Wesenskern]

YES!!!

[@itzelouise8714]

Thats why the best approach is stop invading countries to steal resources, like the US keeps doing, France, Israel, UK…keep making countries poor, hence huge flow of immigrants non stop!! Let small countries grow, nobody wants to live far from their own, immigrants don’t want to leave, they feel forced to!!!

[@badabing3391]

this is such a cop out. Most people in these nations use to have fundamentally opposing views to the modern comsopolitan liberals which form the bulk of all developed nations today, just a few decades ago even. Moreso, it's absurd to imagine that culture doesnt derive itself from material reality as well, which economic conditions literally are. The people who would place cultural values over economic pragmatism have been the minority across all human history. Idealism is a project made largely by people who dont work or those who seek control, but the rest only care insofar as it allows them to feed themselves and their family and barely any more.

[@henriklarsen8258]

@ that i pure BS. You are either talking about venture capitalism or colonial invasion forces. You may be right on the latter

[@badabing3391]

@henriklarsen8258 you can find a material cause for basically every ideological development in human history. Theres a reason historians work with anthropologists and scientists, not philosophers.

[@aoibhg1211]

Why did these people flee to Europe and not to the neighbouring countries they share language, culture and religion with?

[@allensacharov5424]

Exactly. If this musliism was so great what would a person gain from moving to the West unless it is to subvert it.

[@Thecelestial1]

Stop noticing

[@TheYrthenarc]

They overwhelmingly did flee to neighboring countries they share language culture and religion with. Lebanon alone, a country about half the size of Sweden housed around 1.5 million Syrian refugees (2024 estimate) while Turkey another cca 4 million.

[@tanjim6848]

Only those who could afford the journey to Europe came to Europe. A huge chunk of their population is still in their respective countries. Its not just one country, its the whole middle east that is in shambles.

[@farerolobos9382]

​@@tanjim6848 And why? Of course, mentioning the elephant in the room is Verboten.

[@aion5837]

The money that is being 'spent out' is coming from where? Of course, more money flowing in the economy shows 'growth'. Growth in what areas and how productive is it? What about the costs in housing, health care and schooling etc? Crime is a cost both socially and economically. Young highly educated Swedes are leaving in droves, why? They are being replaced with largely uneducated migrants. This is an economic cost, isn't it? When that professors protected job is replaced by a migrant, I will start listening to him.

[@possiblestupidideas8544]

No one told them to hire the immigrant over the nurse. That is more of an internal issue your people need to fight to guarantee locals get job priority. It is not the immigrants' fault. They did not hire themselves.

[@leonardell-bon7104]

@@possiblestupidideas8544 In Malta, where one-third of employees are immigrants, the locals get job priority over others and this is not enforced by any law, it happens automatically.

[@BLAQFiniks]

​@possiblestupidideas8544 What I see in Greece, is colourful hijabi migrants with handfuls of bags from expensive brands, all with iPhones, not speaking any Greek, living on a sizable sums taken from locals in highly increased taxes, not working. I see Pakistani dude selling paper serviettes on a road who annually travels around EU capitals. Locals can't do that. I've being living in Greece since 2010, I bring money in, do not put pressure on job market, own property, pay taxes... and yet I wait for renewals of my residence permit for months! And it's 2-3 years long, yet those hijabi migrants get 5-10 years ones from the start, contributing NOTHING to the country. The ONLY working migrants I saw were blacks. Five years ago the family grocery shopping trip (4 adults) costs less then 90€, including everything, and I mean everything: meats, poultry, veggies, fruits, pasta, rice, flower, cleaning things, etc. Now we spend at least 100€ every time WITHOUT meat/poultry.

[@dude2884]

You make it look like uneducated migrants are getting proffesirs jobs. I am here to tell you that EDUCATED migrants are delivering packages for the post, while uneducated locals are traveling the world

[@dirkboch128]

Young highly educated Swedes are leaving in droves - please provide a reliable source for this claim.

[@SWG_by_P93]

Danke!

[@TheMarketExit]

Danke schön!

[@Jefflurr_]

Just because the government tosses tons and tons of money at migrants does not mean that the country is doing well financially because the GDP grows. I like his channel and there are a good few valid points in this video. However there are a lot of glaring issues that have just been ignored. The societal and cultural shift of the country. The huge amount of immigrants and second generation immigrants living in ghetto like conditions. Just because a low skilled worker adds to the welfare system does not mean they are a net positive. Migration puts a huge strain on the infrastructure and the society of the country. People need healthcare, transportation and access to accommodation. Ik you said in a comment but you can not look at the gang wars going on right now and say things are actually decreasing. High skilled immigrants and can join and add positively to the economy straight away are not the same as an illitirate person from Somalia. Immigrants are a huge strain on the welfare system. Poor integration leads to increased crimes

[@apachekafka773]

What disingenuous of you is focusing on the immigration not why it is happening. Your evil politicians go about destabilising nations, toppling government for economic and political gains... but all you could think of is your hypocritical values 😂😂😂 that is steeped in violence and hegemony. Shame

[@jasonhaven7170]

Then focus on integration

[@dadzis]

It’s disingenuous, how they focus only on the economic data. They haven’t taken into account the cultural differences between Swedes and the asylum seekers. Culture and the inability of a large part of the asylum seekers to asymilate into the society of their host country is exactly the reason for tension and the rise of the so-called “far right”.

[@SurmaSampo]

They ignored economic data. Sweden's GDP per capita has flatlined since the massive increases in migration so there has been systemic economic harm to the people of Sweden. No economist was consulted in the making of this video as their analysis is childlike in its quality.

[@apachekafka773]

What disingenuous of you is focusing on the immigration not why it is happening. Your evil politicians go about destabilising nations, toppling government for economic and political gains... but all you could think of is your hypocritical values 😂😂😂 that is steeped in violence and hegemony. Shame

[@spirosmanisalis3463]

I tend to agree with your assessment to a certain degree. In the country I live in, Australia, the Federal Government has allowed a total of 1,000,000 legal immigrants to enter the country in the last 2 years. This has had a large amount of negative impacts onto ordinary citizens, that include, severe housing stress, exploding rents, environmental degradation, choked infrastructure and most incredibly, an unaffordable level in cost of living. The housing crisis resulting from this has contributed to many people living on the streets, living from their car, increased mental stress and stress related health effects. In addition, the impacts on schools, hospitals and other human services has increased by a very large amount. But, the real reason is why? It's part of neoliberalism that is espoused by progressive governments around the world. One of the three pillars of neoliberalism is open borders. The upshot of open borders, from a neoliberal perspective is to a) artificially inflate GDP by importing more units of consumption (i.e. people buying stuff) and hence appear to have in place a thriving economy. A country's economic health should be measured by " GDP per Capita", which shows how much of the economic pie is being received by a country's citizens. In Australia, it's decreased, significantly over the last 2 years. Citizens are struggling and doing it tough. And b), it increases the labour pool and suppresses wage growth. Australian wages have not increased in inflation adjusted terms in the last 12 years. People can't keep up with costs!! Who benefits - the Elites. Who suffers? The ordinary person in the street. And all this "woke" stuff is a smoke-screen to divert attention to what really is happening. Citizens and immigrants alike are both being sacrificed at the altar of Neoliberalism, perpetrated over the last 40 years by Progressive governments, who are controlled by Global Corporations; the real owners of the Country. And the upshot is the hollowing out of the working and middle class, who then are left wondering what the hell is really going on. Riots are an outcome of people suddenly waking up to this reality and saying "hey, I didn't buy into this!!" Violent protests are wrong. Protests against those that are victims of the neoliberal agenda is wrong. The answer in my mind is a sustainable level of immigration that benefits all, without eroding costs of life. Unfortunately, I don't believe governments accept this thesis and will not change. We all know what the outcome will be.

[@CaspianSea-wt5kw]

I agree with however i don't believe the cost of living is primarily due to mass migration I would say it's more due to the government printing billions of dollars into the economy during the COVID period that's the main reason inflation is getting out of control.

[@spirosmanisalis3463]

I understand what you're saying. Mass immigration is however a major contributor to the cost of living crisis in Australia. It has been proven over and over again. Rents have exploded as housing shortages have resulted. Who benefits? The elites and the political class, who have neglected their duty of care to citizens of the country. But you cannot say that in public, as you automatically get branded as racist!!

[@nikolaybonapartov7379]

What a bunch of utter BS! Try walking around Stockholm at midnight and see what has happened to once safe country! And yes, walking in the city should be safe at any time of the day/night!

[@maksimfedoryak]

Це типу Стокгольм наближається до стандартів Москвобаду?

[@nikolaybonapartov7379]

@@maksimfedoryak Фидиряк, если тебе везде мерещится Мосвобад, то выпей таблетки и попробуй родить нормальную мысль снова.

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

But you didn't mention the cultural aspect of immigration at all.

[@rafaelvicho3551]

A very fresh take about migration. Thank you for this video!

[@strangenameforaband342]

It sounds like the boost in GDP came from government spending, if the migrants were of a benefit to the country then you would expect there to be little inflation from this expansion of this money supply. So all Swedes would have to do to fact check this video is go food shopping.

[@jowi6491]

You’ll have to be very strong now but in the real world sometimes multiple things happen in a span of 10 years. And sometimes, when war is fought in one of the largest food-producing countries in the world, prices for food go up

[@bzarnett18]

Experts..."they were all wrong!" But they got big points for virtue signaling.

[@FUNBF]

Criminally Underrated comment

[@mikexstad1121]

I agree but it does drive down wages and the social impacts and crime aren't worth it.

[@jowi6491]

Not a single word my dear, not a single word in your whole entire sentence

[@andyodels]

Thanks!

[@TheMarketExit]

Thank you very much!!

[@markaja2]

An excuse for deficit spending. How did Sweden's debt to GDP ratio change? Which companies disproportionately benefitted from deficit spending?

[@Madelro100]

I m from Uruguay. I m happy to have found your channel. Keep doing

[@HollandsGlorie-X]

The only thing I have seen on the internet is that Sweden regards it selves going down the cultural drain. Uncountable videos made by Swedes are popping up on YT that picture an utter dystopi up to the point that Swedes rather immigrate to other European countries than stay in Sweden. So, this leftist bullocks about the the "wrong" models can only be described as dangerous rhetoric to keep the inflow of foreigners going. 30 years ago the Dutch (citizens) began to realize that importing foreigners might not be such a good idea. Today, in the city of Rotterdam live more foreigners than indigenous Dutch and we actually have 40+ bombings a year because of the Moroccan mafia.

[@c99kfm]

I'm with you, but the rhetoric's not leftist, the Swedish prime minister who opened the borders and on national TV told the country "we must open our hearts" was the leader of the then-rightmost party, the "Moderate" Fredrik Reinfeldt. Heavy immigration is the capitalist class wanting to use low skilled labor to press wages down, which they have successfully done - the last five years, real wage for low and middle income earners has decreased. As a bonus, people are now focused on problems with immigration / integration rather than on class struggle, blaming the immigrants rather than those who actually created the problem, the capitalists.

[@freeideas]

Please someone tell me what I am misunderstanding. Having visited Sweden myself before and after mass immigration, I can see with my own eyes a spectacular difference in crime. Really, the difference is stunning in my opinion. Also, Poland, which has vigorously resisted mass immigration, has a much better employment rate than Sweden. Perhaps I am being deceived. What am I missing?

[@dustthatsings6406]

They are not pricing in how mass migration has degraded the quality of lives of Europeans. We need to reverse it, it's exhausting and depressing.

[@StoItLTD]

I hear what you're trying to say from an economic view point. But there's a costs happening to societies that can't be measured like this. And unfortunately it's the next generation that will pay the price. Many said covid helped kill product globalisation. But now we have human globalisation.

[@unhappydutch]

What a special way to calculate who costs more than they bring in. An average income says nothing about this. It only says something about income, nothing about costs. First know what the costs are of the different groups and compare them to what they bring in. If the costs are higher than the tax payment, this is negative. If you earn little but incur few social costs, it doesn't matter.

[@KarinSeppa]

It is also important to notice what is the general culture of the country where immigrants are moving, I live in Finland and for foreigners it’s very hard to integrate into society because jobs would rather hire Finns instead of foreigners, even if the foreigner is fluent in Finnish…

[@AC-id5ow]

10:17 show evidence there was a lack of Swedish bus drivers.

[@SusCalvin]

@@AC-id5ow Now there is. The government has decided bus drivers, nurses, cooks and cleaners are parasites. In the upper middle class fantasy world, a nation with no working class must be wonderful.

[@pauliusvainoras7787]

A bit weak video, seems not to take account so many other facts. Immigrant is not equal an immigrant - it depends whether they do contribute to society or not. Also, immigration does lower the wages and is useful mainly for corporates to increase profit margins, not people themselves. Safety, cultural friction and many other things not even considered.

[@badabing3391]

youd think that all those regulations and unions would be able to fight wage depression when some immigrants (like 5-10% of the population) appear over 20 years, but apparently not?

[@michaelross1464]

I really like your comment on “not everyone can be above the average. That’s not how average works” (paraphrased of course). Great video. Thanks!

[@bvanderford]

100% true

[@meirionowen5979]

I have recently discovered your channel. On the whole, your vids are stimulating, intelligent and fair. This one, however, strikes me as dishonest . . . as if you are trying to make us all, yourself included, swallow an untruth. Yet, as I have said, you're work is stimulating, intelligent and fair for the most part, so I'll carry on watching. I appreciate the hard work you put into these vids. Thanks from the UK.

[@channelforadifferentrecome6635]

They misrepresented completely what the "cost" of migration calculations in Sweden looked like in 2015. The main thing economists looked at was the previous years in how much they were a part of the tax burden and how much they payed into the system. That number had been negative since the late 90s. The second main thing was how saturated the job market was for jobs that required no skill or expertise. The 2015 prediction was accurate, but it didn't account for the enormous spending that pushed the new migrants into what was basically made up jobs.

[@imagiro1]

I very much appreciate the work you are doing here. But it would have considerably more gravitas if you would include sources. It would make it much easier to respond to critics if they were included here instead of having to search for them myself.

[@GregorioGrasselli1972]

"Money is a measure of wealth but is not wealth". That is really illuminating.

[@thoughtfull9398]

Poland has no migrant muslims and their GDP is growing most in europe. Can you explain that?

[@mahmoudnaeem7552]

You are porbably here to push for one point, but Poland does have a lot of muslim migrants. The % was even higher before the war in ukraine.

[@WhiteMouse77]

Hi Andres, thank you very much for HQ work. Lack of "real human" resources on one side and "cultural war" as real cost on the other side....and none of these can be solved with money. Therefore....It seems to me...that we as Europeans aren't as smart as we over-valuated ourselves to be.... Further no matter how the factual truth ughly is, abased on our experience, we must admit when learning from our mistakes that migration MUST be strictly selective and democratic system MUST finally and once for ever solve paradox of toleration towards non-democratic ideolgoies. After we are done with these....EU might finally move on...and go through BIIIIIG reconciliaton...

[@lemonblue6282]

I wish someone was talking about migration in a holistic way. How are people supposed to decide what to do and what is too much, if every issue is discussed discretely? There are economic realities, cultural realities, law & order realities, humanitarian realities, political realities, demographic realities... it's complex and important. I hope there is work like this coming on all the relevant topics, because it's sorely needed.

[@ahilltodieons]

It's funny, here in the United States the politically incorrect narrative is to say that immigration on a massive scale is a bad idea. You mentioned some statistics on foreign-born unemployment rates, but what have the native-born unemployment rates been? Low wages that immigrants are willing to accept can cause a negative pricing incentive and puts the people that have been creating that economy out of the picture. Its like growing a massive oak, then chopping it at the base and grafting a sapling onto the stump...

[@maweitao]

For what it's worth, Europeans are a lot more centrist than Americans think they are. Criticizing immigration is politically incorrect but like the US the left perpetuates the myth that the right has complete control the narrative at a national level.

[@mathieuguenet5360]

lol in what world are you living both political parties have campained on reducing migration

[@murielbrown3013]

Why Europe? Why not other Muslim countries?

[@acetylcoa9324]

because they are conquerors not refugees

[@nananou1687]

Good question if US weren't bombing other countries already. The biggest threat to EU is meddling with US interests

[@kammaral1]

@@nananou1687 plenty of Muslim countries which are not in a state of war or being bombed. Try again.

[@cesium7907]

Hjira. Conquering by immigration, as Quran tells to do. Obviously not every moslem thinks that way (not literally anyway), but a considerable part does. And even those who don´t usually don´t integrate well because their religion/ideology prevents it. I don´t blame individual people, but letting islamic ideology into Europe is a danger to our culture and social cohesion. And with that also to our economy, because economy can not thrive without social cohesion.

[@Maxშემიწყალე]

@@nananou1687 So again, why Europe and not other safe, same cultural countries in the middle east?

[@DukeofTxtspeak]

Yeah came from how money works and this is utterly rarted. Most of it is outright false and I have a lower opinion of how money works now than before I clicked on it.

[@Agnostoic]

Man! How did I miss this channel?? I was trying to understand the current migration issue in Germany. Though I am living happily in my country Bangladesh I was trying to educate myself on this issue. And I found this channel after searching a lot of videos. I could not help commenting here. I watched 3 videos entirely and I must say your contents are not only informatic and based on statistics but also you invite experts, university professor which makes the video more watchable. I also shared one of your videos with my student. ❤ from Bangladesh.

[@technician07c33]

Immigration this, immigration that.... How about further destabilization of region from immigrants came from? How about brain drain, worker drain further weakening this countries? How about further lowering life quality? This questions show global crisis where stronger countries cannibalize weaker but there are no stronger countries only these who still have advantage. This advantage are used to keep stronger position to the point when there be no more. The last stage of empire.

[@diethelmhope9161]

Mass immigration does not put any country into a stronger position. To the contrary. It only weakens a country. The truth of the matter is that mass immigration benefits only greedy corporations who know there is mass profit to be made by selling their junk all over the planet. And If you can expand the population with migrants, you can also sell more junk. This does not help the country because most corporations these days are international. So when you buy, the money goes abroad. That is how China (The Chinese government) is getting so rich.. This is why Britain is on it's death bead. We can't sell anything, we have no money coming in. British money is going out all the time, because we have to buy from abroad. We sold all our industry to China and the likes. Now we are paying the price. And add to this the Billions we are paying to immigrants. Is it any wonder that food prices and housing prices are going to the moon?

[@MCArt25]

Do you think Swedes should be forbidden from moving abroad, to stop brain drain?

[@Zynt0xik]

He... literally covered that... at 12:00 they talk about demographic collapse and the consequences for these countries suffering brain drain

[@Evanurisylaise]

Economics is not the issue, I would rather live in poverty among other Czechs, than live in another bland, soulless ‘multicultural’ city. Our thousands years old culture, history, art, dance, music, arts… These are worth more than anything.

[@liliancalo3518]

This is a very enlightening video. I visited Stockholm last September (2024) and noticed many foreign languages being spoken in the streets, cafes and public transport. Loved your beautiful city and very kind people (who gave me tips on places to visit and information when I felt lost) Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷 ❤

[@hanspersson9451]

Thanks

[@TheMarketExit]

Tack Hans! :) Mycket uppskattat

[@ke6319]

That's a very nice take on migration, and you've shone a light that more people is more resources. However, i would love it if you could discuss the social changes mass migration does.

[@kirillberezin8859]

Trying to talk math but confused average with median. Typical social studies researcher

[@Yazz2014]

The only reason western countries have been invaded so much is the benevolence of its people. Western leaders are benefitting of the good nature of its people and that is what truly makes these countries wonderful places to be in. The people’s hospitality is the most valuable resource the west has and it’s in danger of being tapped dry by weakening its social structure. NO THIS KIND OF DIVERSITY IS NOT A STRENGTH, PERHAPS FOR ELITES WHO LIVE IN THEIR IVORY TOWERS BUT NOT FOR THE COMMON FOLK.

[@FUNBF]

We have to do something NOW.

[@KoenStrobbe-fv5us]

Well done.

[@TheMarketExit]

Thank you very much!

[@MichaeldeSousaCruz]

YES, FUCKING YES!!! Peo Hansen knows MMT, so his economics is CORRECT and your vid is CORRECT! Great job finding an MMTer!!!

[@jasperchance3382]

It's not an economical issue, it's cultural.

[@AndrewLuppnow-i6j]

Why don't you interview the parents of the children murdered in Magdeburg, Germany, about the true cost of migration into the West from Islamic countries?

[@lizwaters4066]

In the US, the problem is the extreme wealth inequality. It is not the immigrant that is impoverishing the average worker, it is the rapacious greed of the 1%. They use the media and politicians to blame the immigrants. We are a country of immigrants and you can argue it has been our strength. That said, I have gotten Irish EU citizenship through my Grandparents. We may migrate back to Ireland to get away from our toxic policies.

[@syzygy21055]

Extreme and still growing wealth inequality is the root issue behind most of the worst problems plaguing the U.S., including the atmosphere of divisiveness, the sharp resurgence of racism and misogyny, the exaggerated anxiety over immigration, the lack of action on climate change, and the alarming drift toward fascism. Unfortunately most ordinary Americans understand the wealth inequality issue very poorly if they're aware of it at all, while the 1% understand it extremely well.

[@badabing3391]

people in europe dont realize that their billionaires are trying to destroy their welfare states so that they can flourish like they do in the US. Instead they think headlines from those same billionaires dictate reality, because they cant fathom a rich european being the problem

[@at9871]

This is some pathetic propaganda. You say you are a swede and that its not about "finances" but what effect has this flood of immigration had on the Swedish people? Population increases show good GDP on paper, because it is an easily exploitable formula, that is meaningless for most things economic.

[@michalschade7734]

Europe for Europeans

[@Costa_del_Artlepool]

You spelt "everyone" wrong.

[@melisamuresanu8544]

Maybe another angle on immigration would be culture clashes. I am Romanian, so of a country with mass emigration, and I do not get upset when I face “light discrimination” so to speak, as in coldness or skepticism from a foreigner. I think it is a normal response. Often times, just different ways of life may constitute a cause for tension between different groups. I really do not know how we can overcome cultural differences , when at the same time it is very important for a community to preserve its heritage or just everyday modes of operating in life. From my discussions with other people, they are more concerned about the others “being different “ than taking their jobs or money.

[@SuperNkta]

It’s more than economics, the cultural heritage and familiar way of life are perceived to be threatened with new arrivals and their own cultural practices. And changes are very uncomfortable for most people.

[@محمدالجعلي-م2ت]

this video is highly educating and the quality on another level

[@stepbackthree]

Just found your channel, new fan, subscriber and commentator! Great content, thanks for making such cool, well produced, necessary and interesting videos.

[@Mr.Incite]

Thanks for the video, very informative and entertaining. Politicians and corporations are always juggling data for their own gain, but you know how to see through it.

[@Sanjay-x5x]

mister Andreas great video

[@regilau]

This was so interesting and insightful. A very intelligent perspective. I feel like it really doesn't get talked a lot and it's really fascinating. Thank you.

[@latifahmed691]

Very intelligent conversation

[@MrCurtis475]

I am shocked that the entire Swedish establishment got this wrong. I studied economics 40 years ago in Mexico. Instead of working in the field of economics, I went to work teaching Spanish. If you truly understand how a country's economy works, you know that it all depends on the the people at the bottom. They are the producers and the consumers. With lowering birth rates in developed countries, you need immigration for economic growth.

[@AK-ne4og]

How about improving conditions for the "native" population to grow? Politicians and the elite are creating conditions that make very difficult for native people to have children and to grow their population organically. In fact they even indoctrinate the new generations of natives to think they should not reproduce all while importing people from different cultures who massively reproduce and, at least initially, drain the system';s resources. Mexico for instance is very tough on immigration. I wonder why...

[@sensiclaus3884]

Is there any charts/graphs that show average wages and purchasing power between age groups?

[@lucasbronder1623]

This is such a refreshing and insightful report!

[@alexanderjohnston8294]

I love how this video delves into the idea of real resources. It is something that I had tried to figure out myself before, that some people could have lots of symbolic wealth but if they don't have enough people to actually employ nothing gets done. It would be really interesting if there was some way to build a society with the focus on real resources instead of just playing what is essentially an economic video game.

[@ruslbicycle6006]

Thank you for making this video. Very insightful. It's quite incredible to see an economist talk about 'real' conditions. In most cases the way I've seen 'economics' used in politics (my context is Canada, the US, and the UK) is to come up with some dense formulation about 'efficiency' that is used to shut down or stifle political debate or questions. A politician will reply to a question of "how come our teachers are not able to pay their rent and have to move away from the schools they are needed?" or "how come welfare payments are too small for these children to have adequate housing and food?" Well, that would be nice if we could do that but due to the efficiency of the economy we can only fund 2% of what you ask and then next year it will be cut because economic efficiency we have to run the government like it's a small business and not spend more than we have and need to get those children and teachers to pay more fees for their welfare so that the welfare system is sustainable and makes a profit. I think Sweden might be a very rare nation where economic theory isn't always used this way, but is actually used to help people.

[@1monki]

Thoughtful, well researched video, thanks 👍

[@TinuVoicu]

Absolutely loved it. As a romanian, seeing this acknowledgment from a western scholar restores my faith in academia. That example is extremly revealing of the situation, romania has an imense graduates in medicine per capita and still they are not practicing here, but in western countries, and this trend dose not show signs of change. Also the way you described the difference between real resources and symbolic resources was very enlightening

[@sirxander5420]

I just want to say, the quality of this video is amazing

[@NicholasFadow-o4q]

can you please list your music in the description

[@inverbi]

Tyvärr är jag negativt kritisk. I denna film och förklaringsmodell finns stora luckor - jag känner att frågeställningen generaliseras så mycket att det hela blir till lommefilosofi. Men ja, jag skall "subscribe."

[@anon746912]

You're very brave with your topics, as evidenced by many of the comments you get. Thanks for the insightful video. Cheers!

[@bobsmith4343]

Excellent clarity: all mainstream journalists should watch & challenge all politicians on this issue.

[@rickwalters8553]

I loved this video (as I usually do with your videos!) but feel it needs a companion piece addressing the cultural effects of both immigration and emigration. I think that financial concerns are often at least partially used as a proxy argument for cultural concerns, and a similar reality check there would also be helpful (whether from you or a colleague)

[@AlanReid-mt9kk]

I looked at wiki and it says Sweden's GDP per capita has fluctuated over time, reaching an all-time high of $61,147.645 in 2013. This is 18 months before the Migrant Crisis. By 2019 it was 10k lower

[@therealdasina]

I wish your videos would be longer😄 i watched a few now anf always thought that. I enjoy your style so much, I would really like to watch full documentaries with even more details and voices. Maybe my wish will come true some day when your channel keeps growing😊 great job so far, thank you!

[@andrewdavies8328]

I understand here in Australia where we have immigration levels of $0.5m or more that our GDP is only positive BECAUSE of the levels of migration, otherwise we would have gone backwards. However, housing is a real constraint that we need to address. This was a great and informative video.

[@ii795]

You argument is flawed. At 4:06 professor explains that they measure taxes migrants pay vs benefits they receive. But at 4:22 you replace that with a strawman by just accounting for taxes they pay. As long as somebody pays taxes (no matter how little, but more than they receive from government in benefits), they are most likely a value to the society. If somebody doesn't work/earn/pay taxes, and only receives benefits, they are likely to be a burden to the society. Granted there may be unaccounted value like parenting or volunteering, but generally speaking, most likely they are burden. Taxes vs benefits argument is valid. But at 4:22 you created a strawman, and beated it to death.

[@OmeletteGirl]

Excellent video, I loved this! Most people explaining concepts from MMT are needlessly wordy pseudointellectuals and this actually talked about it in such an easy to understand and enjoyable way! I feel like I not only learned about immigration but a better way to understand immigration overall!

[@lathamorama]

It would be great if you could get an interview with someone from the financial sector to interview on this topic. What parts of the standard story are and are not defensible? This video plays to my own biases, so I feel like I won't have a good handle on the arguments until someone makes a good faith attempt to represent the opposing side's perspective. Thanks!

[@evaniltonpires2238]

Very insightful. Congrats on the project. Well done in bringing evidence and scientific references.