Why Immigration Isn't Saving Europe's Economy

[@vkdrk]

European governments need to stop saying how many people we ''need to bring in'' to keep the economy going and start coming up with plans on how to make it easier for young Europeans to have families.

[@Remigiush123]

Truth

[@jasonhaven7170]

They don't want a child with u

[@Ejsmich]

okay but how? there are no ways and an easier solution is to have immigrants

[@NunoLima1337]

We could get better at moving the older people to where the welfare costs are lower. Eg: if you live in expensive part of W Europe, retire 5 years sooner if you relocate to E Europe.

[@ericfromeng]

@@Ejsmich Tax cuts per child and affordable housing available only to native families or subsidize housing for native families.

[@abrakadaver7495]

The reason why I prefer this Europe KZbin channel to all others is that you don't embellish anything and also address sore topics. Too often I have the feeling that pro-Europe KZbinrs simply glorify everything that has to do with the EU. I am also pro-European but you can be critical sometimes. Please keep it up

[@belstar1128]

its based i am about to unsub from some similar channels because they are authoritarian

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

The blind simping for the EU is insufferable

[@aldoushuxley5953]

Being pro Europe and anti Migration should not be a contradiction. To the contrary, Europe can only stay Europe, if we protect our culture and require immigrants to adopt our values and culture. EU scepticism and anti migration positions are heavily linked, but that would vanish, if the EU would actually do something against the migration problem

[@ViktorRzh]

Imigrant refuge here. He literaly pointed the full list of problems. From people who want to do nothing to saficating beurocracy to find any descent job(waaa!!!!). Add to this the fact that there are mixed results in terms of integrating people (from personal observations).

[@aetherion7]

Europe (geography/continent/culture) and EU (A supranational political and economic union) are not synonymous words first of all. EU, and its EU-members still being a majority of leftists is what is bad as well. When the right-wing will grow enough to be governments in all European countries EU may be reformed or abolished. EU as for now is good for common administration as for travel/ID/other documentation, however the problem comes to the massive non-European immigration. Another example is also the subject on voting. It is important for each European identity to remain as is, to keep it short. I was born and grew up in another European country than the fatherland one (which i live in now permanently the last years), and it is also important as well that only natives in each European have the right to vote. Just recently, in the EU-elections, i actually used the possibility and voted for the country i lived in in the past, instead of the fatherland one, because there is STILL no proper right-wing party to vote in my fatherland in comparison to the non-fatherland one, and i feel just ashamed about that. However since a EU-citizen can use this, than its fine either way for now. Regarding third world foreigners. There needs to be a massive repatriation and keep only those that are needed. Of course a stop must be done as well. The leftists "procedure" is BAD for the economic growth of Europe.

[@0matters]

Quality matters. Singapore only take skilled/educated and wealthy immigrants permanently, the low-skilled are only temporary for short term needs. Sweden don't even require language proficiency to naturalize

[@noobmaster-cd7bk]

Poor people 🤢🤢

[@0matters]

@@noobmaster-cd7bk yes countries should take rich or skilled immigrants who can contribute so they can take care of poor citizens already inside the country. If you take poor people from outside it's stupid

[@firstnamelastname-uw6vq]

​@@0mattersEven better, just deport the poor citizens from the country, so they aren't burden also... Pinnacle of capitalism. No money, no rights...

[@fikujez]

Sweden changed the law and a language test will soon be a requirement

[@stariyczedun]

>Sweden don't even require language proficiency to naturalize Do you really think an A2 or B2 exam would deter low skilled migrants? If anything, IT guys who work full time in English would have harder time prepping and passing the bar. The fix is to control inflow with visa and permit policies, not to create restrictions on naturalisation.

[@akaBunta]

It costs a lot of money to train an engineer or a doctor in the EU. When highly skilled workers come-often with prior experience-their skills are immediately put to use, contributing directly to the economy. The loss, however, is for their home country, which invested in their education but doesn't benefit from their expertise. The notion that there's no need for high-skilled jobs is simply wrong. The fact that you receive a work visa means you already have a contract with an employer before you even set foot in the EU. It’s also well known that the EU is in desperate need of doctors (unless you consider doctors not to be high-skilled professionals). As for low-skilled workers, they are also incredibly useful; they are the backbone of the economy, and the EU needs them as well. I’ve changed my internet provider four times, and each time it was an immigrant who handled the installation. The same goes for plumbers. Have you ever used Uber Eats? Many of the delivery workers are immigrants too. When it comes to refugees, the solution is even simpler: stop bombing their countries just to fuel military economies.

[@to101md]

Unfortunately who is bombing who is mostly out of the EU's control. Russia in Ukraine, Sudan's internal war over mining, Yemen being a proxy battle between Iran & Saudis (etc.) I understand the sentiment, especially towards US intervention in places like Iraq. The reality though is there are refugee crises that the west had no say in starting.

[@akaBunta]

@@to101md yep they are not the cause of all the wars in the world, but still that's not a compliment, there is not only Iraq, Libya, Syria, and indirectly with corruption and post-colonial ways like what France is doing in Africa with it's corruption and it's CFA Franc.

[@nenasiek]

Imagine if countries actually listened to what millenials have been saying for over a decade. We have less money to live on and have a hard time finding a place to live (including renting) and the prices are insane. Why would we have kids when we have to change jobs to get a proper raise over the inflation rate and cant find a place to live, meaning we might have to move but we cant.

[@kryptoid2568]

Countries yes. The common people, of course, they listen. The states? The people in charge? Either they don't listen or that doesn't matter to them.

[@nenasiek]

@@kryptoid2568 i wrote countries cause this is a problem within pretty much every western country cause we have all done the same.

[@naniyotaka]

@@nenasiek It’s an issue in the eastern EU countries as well not just in the western countries sadly.

[@d_all_in]

How do you people not realize that immigration drives up housing prices and drives down wages? 😂

[@Bapate-rh9be]

They absolutely know about this: Who do you think has your money? Also the migrants do not fix the economy - who cares? They allow you to bleed these countries dry by forcing them to pay exhuberant rent and building cost for these migrants from taxpayer money into your pockets and after these countries collaps you just run away with the money.

[@desanipt]

This video is gold. We need more thorough evidence-based takes on the problem and less sensationalist/emotional views on it. Thank you for putting on the job of researching all this!

[@shafsteryellow]

Problems is corporations intentionally muddy the waters to hide their malevolent motives

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@shafsteryellow all sorts of activists and groups do

[@shafsteryellow]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 they're not the root of it. It's neoliberal economic system and its obsession with corporate hegemony.

[@Qnexus7]

@@shafsteryellow sure, between the people and the billionaires, its clear who gets better chances to sway the power. but wasn't neoliberalism an answer for periods of crisis? we've all placed our bet on the economy as the main driver of society and human life, so favoring business a la neoliberalism is at least natural. now, we either continue and hope for some better optimizations or we start rethinking life and put pretty much an end to limitless consumerism, and who knows what the outcome of that are.

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 Well no activists have a percentage of the power billionaires do, so it's odd to lump them together

[@igeljaeger]

I lived in Mannheim for a long time and yes, it has a high population of Turkish-descendants and also an unusually high AfD-turnout as well, for the region. Turks are workers there and they aren't really keen to be replaced by others, plus they aren't exactly huge fans of arabs. Yes most of them also vote for Erdogan, obviously.

[@kfzsteuer-1909]

As the video partly says, it is important to differentiate the migrants by their origin country because the countries are different in terms of education, social structure, conservatism (especially islam,). Turkey has a for more western society than Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan, resulting in much higher crime linked to sexual assault and stabbings by Syrians, Afghans etc. Also Turks are easier to integrate and are more skilled.

[@Croz89]

Turks are also quite moderate Muslims, to the point where many drink alcohol. they don't necessarily get on well with the generally more devout Arabs.

[@wussrestbrook1200]

@@kfzsteuer-1909it’s interesting how every ethnic group seemingly gets better then their new versions. Germans said the same about Italians compared to turks

[@liamthomas8029]

@@kfzsteuer-1909The Turks who vote for Erdogan are pretty conservative.

[@texasgermancowgirl]

Turks hate other Muslims, just look at what they are doing to Syrians and Turks aren’t normal Muslims IMO

[@mario7501]

Recently a case was popularized in Austria where an unemployed migrant family with 6 kids received more in welfare and child support than two top 15% salaries combined (around 6600€ net). It takes a whole lot of tax payers to fund this single family, and if above average salaries cannot provide the same net income as not working at all, there is absolutely no incentive to work. This is not even the immagrants fault. Why would they work if they can receive more money by staying at home.

[@bLaffix]

Well why don't the native Austrians stay at home and have 6 kids so they can receive the equivalent of a top 15% salary?

[@mario7501]

@@bLaffix because this would crash the country. And because they don't come here with 6 kids. They struggle to even afford one with two normal salaries.

[@mohammadal-qudah179]

⁠​⁠@@mario7501 you missed the whole point lol

[@YC-bk3fl]

It's because he's lying lmao ​@@bLaffix

[@XmXStuka2]

if they are like some of the people here, nobody would even hire them cause they have no skills etc

[@BMS866]

In Denmark the total number of immigrants from the middle east takes net negative of about 30 billion dkk each year from our welfare state, while the rest of the country produces net positive surplus of about 120 billion dkk each year. Quite incredible just how much they actually take from the welfare state, now good thing here in Demnark is that we have limited our immigration levels, so it doesn't get worse.

[@theburden9920]

Good

[@masonhancock5350]

It’s the 5 kids they have. It isn’t rocket science

[@peterfireflylund]

It’s not that limited, contrary to what government friendly media are telling us… plus they have more kids than us. So, things will continue to get worse until we actually try to solve the problem (which can mostly be summarized as “remove kebab”). Also, the official costs are too low. There are many costs that aren’t counted. It’s not as bad as when Marianne Jelved still had power and the state tried to tell us there was a net benefit of around 8 billion per year, but it’s still quite misleading.

[@abdulmunam4168]

It's also related to how europe & Us bombed middle East on the pretext of so called WOMD . if you wouldnt have bombed them ,there would be no immigration problems now...@@masonhancock5350

[@Sarchein]

@@masonhancock5350lots of kids is exactly what the political elite want, danes stopped breeding so someone has to step up

[@ahmedchannani9604]

I am from morocco and i still live in morocco 🇲🇦 and i feel for the Europeans but i think a long term solution is to fix the birth rates problem rather than seeking immigration.

[@AtlasBit]

They're already working on that by supporting rainbows 😂😂😂

[@neonvalkyrie6425]

@@AtlasBit Sure bro, 9% of the population (who is gay) is gonna somehow fix the birth rate of all europe. Savage barbarian.

[@flyingeaglealb]

@@AtlasBiteurope enslaved by mastermind of the island

[@thewatcher1914]

Am moroccan to and let me told you 👉🏻It is impossible ! Look very good we have 2 million of africain immigran in moroco and the have much of childrin ?? What we do ?

[@h4tchery]

I still don’t understand how there can be a labor shortage with ~7 % unemployment rate in Europe. Something else is off-balance.

[@Ikbeneengeit]

We have overproduced people with "elite" degrees. Not everyone can be a CEO or Museum Curator.

[@fikujez]

It's about what kind of work Europeans want to, or can do. I don't think there's much of a shortage in people applying for comfy office jobs. It's mostly jobs that require a difficult, specialised degree (e.g. in healthcare or IT sectors) or that aren't as well paid and are physically demanding (construction, transport etc.)

[@random_nick_for_comments]

A labor shortage is simply a lie. There is a shortage of people who want to work for food and give away half of their salaries to landlords.

[@Cloud_Seeker]

That is actually the plan. It is to keep inflation down. Let me explain. If you focus on 0% unemployment for +30 years you will get a situation where it doesn't make sense to actually work. Since this can only happen when governments step in to make corporations hire regardless, they have to give incentives to lower the cost of hiring someone. What people will do however is that they will constantly switch jobs and employer and always demand a higher wage. Since the wage is government backed, it will be paid. So people will not stay in a workplace to become experts and gain skills. They will just switch jobs since switching jobs is more profitable than working. Which forces the government to print money to pay the incentives only so that they can have a 0% unemployment. In a real economy you will always have some unemployment. You will have students looking to get educations, but haven't found anything. You will have people moving from one job to another but hasn't actually been hired yet. You can't have 0% unemployment because that isn't actually a sign of a healthy economy.

[@cazwalt9013]

​@@Ikbeneengeitexactly. Our posh live culture where everyone wants to be the main character

[@mujexzilla]

"Demography is destiny", meaning the composition of a country's population will determine its future.

[@nikobellic570]

Radical feminism, extreme environmentalism and obsession with career has resulted in antinatalism winning.

[@unknownv8462]

@@nikobellic570 bc of capitalism maybe everyone too focused on not being broke

[@Hypnopotimus27]

@@unknownv8462 The previously communist eastern bloc has the lowest birth rates in Europe, so explain how this is the fault of capitalism. This is clearly a cultural development and not an economic one. In previous generations a family of 8 would inhabit a one or two bed slum and now we wont have one child unless we own a house outright, previous generations were more courageous and it was more acceptable to have children even when you are in poverty. Today we are squeamish about this and hence no children even though we are the wealthiest generations ever.

[@austinrichards1987]

Africa number 1!

[@Voyant]

Yes, meaning if the population is aging, the country is facing big issues

[@spkrlre]

Maybe we should try to tackle the reasons why people choose not to have children. Harder problem but we won't be able to avoid it sooner or later

[@CultureCrossed64]

Unfortunately, birth rates have been falling since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and the massive urbanization it brought on. The secret might be economic decentralization - the more we hyperfocalize economically on fewer and fewer cities, the worse everything seems to get for all involved except for the very few wealthy at the top.

[@frankstrawnation]

The reasons are the welfare state and the women's privileges/rights. And no government will even scratch the surface of the problem. When governments try to tackle the problem of low fertility, they create more welfare and give women more privileges, which only makes the things worse. At this point the colapse is inevitable and in the end wil be a replacement for another model of society that doesn't shower women with privileges. That's no coincidence that muslims are prevailing.

[@bigboss-wr5hb]

I am Belgian and was taught since childhood that we need immigration (and not children) to fix the aging population. The reason not to have kids? "The world is overpopulated". I kid you not. Now, as an adult, immigrants and pro-immigration politicians taunt us with questions like these regarding the indoctrination they perpetuated. It's vile.

[@michaeldesmondmatthews2932]

Yes, birth rates falls after a country industrialises. But it was only after the invention of the contraceptive pill that birthrates went below replacement. So the issue is people choosing to not have children. The reasons are many and varied and tackling this problem (and it is a huge problem) would be a major victory for society.

[@michaeldesmondmatthews2932]

Oh, and one more thing. Israel has a birthrate above replacement (yes even among secular Israelis) in one of the most highly urbanised countries in the world with some of the last affordable housing. So it really is a matter of how society values children and what priorities people have.

[@LL-if4pg]

"Europeans actually have a say in the demographics and economic future of their continent through their votes" This is clearly not the case in my country, France: Despite polls showing citizens overwhelmingly support lowering immigration, we only have one political party promising to do anything about it, and all other parties form an alliance against them (along with all the media)

[@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy]

They "promised" but we both know that wont amount to anything.

[@OryAlle]

@@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy That doesn't excuse the other parties anti-democratically promising to NOT do anything about it.

[@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy]

@@OryAlle It doesnt but its in their self intrests to not lower immigration unfortunately.

[@weareeverywhere8851]

Same here in Belgium.

[@kylethompson1379]

Correct, the problem is that all major parties support it, and will lie and ignore pledges once elected.

[@seg5820]

Immigration policy failure! I am I migrant from Asia myself. I see it. I brought my position to DE. No housing for hard working people like me, nobody cares, many people look down upon all inmigrants. Huge tension between locals and foreigners. Of course The amount of refugee is too big! Help can be done in a sustainable way! Not like this. Now I moving out, I cannot achieve what I wanted for myself and the society in Europe. I took 0 cent from Europe. I only contributed what I could to Europe because I was grateful for when i studied here. But I only get 1 life. Hope Europe figures it out! The current situation is a pity.

[@seanscon]

same sentiments. already left

[@gpsoftsk1]

There is no housing for hard-working natives as well.

[@somedude1068]

Came as specialist. had to take expensive language courses and pay all my commodities myself. made it not worth it. Left. Refugees get it all.

[@danielagarroux]

I was living in Germany before and was quite different. I'm also a highly skilled worker but considering to go back to my home country as it looks not worth it to insist on staying here longer. Canada was the same. My feeling is that will only escalate the situation.

[@rickbhattacharya2334]

That's the issue with EU policies, the society doesn't differ with high skilled legal immigrants and illegal ones. Also the society simply wants none of us and you can see that in their behavior both direct and indirect. I myself also came to Germany with high hopes to get myself a better life but although after paying 30+% income taxes and 1000 different indirect taxes my life has become worse compared to my own country. I am planning to leave soon. The system itself is rigged. Illegals gets all for free while skilled ones like us gets only taxes and paperwork

[@mogznwaz]

Immigration is not just an economic issue. It’s about culture, identity, human nature and sheer numbers.

[@SirAser.F__k.you.Google]

Amen to that!!!

[@rhysrail]

Immigration isn’t an issue, just allow free borders and no welfare then they only help the economy, what we need is libertarianism

[@SirAser.F__k.you.Google]

@@rhysrail Lol.. what country do you come from?? - it IS a huge problem, for most of Northern Europe?!?? 'Open borders' would just kickstart professionally operated beggar-mafias, with mass-arrivals in buses!! (we have dealt with these problems before!) Also 'trapped refugees' in Germany(who got stopped in their "cherry-picking" favor-countries) ..would start walking again ..up to Sweden!! "Open borders" ..the idea sounds good ..in theory(if utopia existed) - But in reality, the wrong people/criminal people/drug-smuglers etc., use it way more and creates way to many other problems in their wake!!

[@ProteoEuthismos]

@@rhysrail JEje no.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

Sure thing buddy, Russia literally tried to flood us here in Poland with troublemakers 1 month before they invaded Ukraine. If you think other countries wouldn't export their criminals to other countries to increase their own social safety if you would give them opportunity then you slept in last years. Even Muslim countries like Qatar warned about it and their leaders couldn't understand why Europe just takes unchecked people who often are criminals in their own countries. That's very naive take that you have here, you must be living in very safe area so criminal issues are out of your scope of thinking. But it always will be cheaper to send prisoners abroad than to keep them in your country prisons and once they are out they aren't issue of that country mate.

[@cssain-w2g]

Spain's case deserves a separate study, because contrary to the rest of the EU, Spain receives a huge immigration flow from Latin America, receiving people that are already native in Spanish, mostly well educated (there are studies which show that on average, immigrants from Latin America have superior qualifications than Spaniards themselves) and culturally very similar, which makes integration easy and smooth. This type of immigration is clearly a big plus for the country.

[@asdzt123]

We also receive youth criminal gangs from there, it's not all a bed of roses. But in general they're better than African migrants, I agree on that.

[@BN.ja05]

On top of that, Spain also recieves immigrants from eastern Europe (mostly Romanians) and MENA countries (mostly Moroccans). Different autonomous communities within Spain have incentivized immigration from different ethnic groups, like in Catalunya where MENA and eastern european migration was favoured over hispanic-american migration by catalanists politicians over the last 2 decades in order (according to them) to avoid a 2nd wave of primarily spanish-speaking immigrants from "castileanizing" their region like migrants from Andalusia allegedly did in previous decades. Currently the average moroccan migrant in Catalunya not only doesn't care about learning catalan, but they only learn Spanish on a basic level to get by and work "en negro" or ilegally while not integrating and even harming the Catalan society. Barcelona sadly, is nowadays the pick-pocketing capital of Europe. Compare the former with the experience of people in Madrid or other AACC where most immigrants are hispanic-americans. Most of Spain (the USA and basically any other country that recieves hispanic immigrants) has stroked gold while Catalunya, in particular "shot itself in the foot" by inviting the neighbors over.

[@unknownv8462]

bc only rich latins can go there

[@kenzo1091]

While Germany is receiving Muslims from Middle East who are extremely religous

[@karolinarumin7462]

In Barcelona things are getting worse and worse. You go to Ciutadella Parc, tents of immigrants are everywhere, main park and looks like slums. El Raval, rubbish everywhere, new opened places are all halal, more women fully covered. Doesn't look like Catalonia.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

the majority of "labor shortage" is a "willingness to pay a decent salary" problem in other words high skilled jobs wouldn't go self employed or abroad if companies would offer a decent income and trough that there wouldn't be such an (artificial) demand on skilled labor from abroad

[@gpsoftsk1]

Exactly, 100% true!

[@leotestoy486]

In Germany nurses can earn a lot of money. You can make more as a nurse than a regular engineer at a small company. even though its financially attractive no one want to become a nurse, because of the stressful job. so no , its not always money

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@leotestoy486Meanwhile here in England we train nurses with our tax money and they all run away to Australia.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

@@leotestoy486 coincidentally i know one she even became a "springer" which gives 500/month additionally .. no they don't earn "a lot of money" they earn somewhat okay but it's a stressful job with lots of responsibility that's very draining and if a job is stressful and draining .. then the salary is too low to attract enough people

[@SmileyEmoji42]

You can't increase salaries if that would drive your costs above those of countries with cheaper labour. Everybody buys from the cheapest global supplier.

[@belstar1128]

people are not really addressing the elephant in the room the global birth-rates are dropping in almost every country so this wont actually fix the problem it will just delay the inevitable and then there are the many other issues too .

[@CultureCrossed64]

No one wants to listen to the truth. We are forced to be the Cassandras of our age.

[@kryptoid2568]

Yes but that's a symptom of another problem and working wages aren't keeping up with inflation. People don't want to raise kids with barely or no budget.

[@aldoushuxley5953]

@@kryptoid2568 More wealthy people have less children than poorer people (it is a sort of U curve which only increases again for the very, very wealthy), and your grandparents were materially less well off than you are. We certainly have economic issues, big ones, but I don't think that is the root cause

[@richdobbs6595]

You better start building schools and factories in Africa. There will be a billion workers there in the next century. Try to get higher skilled people so you can pick the best for immigrants, and give options for the low skilled workers to stay in West Africa.

[@stoyanb.1668]

No there wont be, african population boom is literally propped up by imports from the outside, which has also destroyed its home farming industry. Just imagine, food imports stop coming for a month. I suspect over 90% of countries there will cease to exist.

[@deyaeldinfadol2570]

I live in Berlin it’s literally easier to find an apartment if you have WSB (if you’re jobless or earning less than middle income). This is a very unfair situation for skilled professionals who could spend months looking for a proper accommodation.

[@overworlder]

During lockdown here in Australia they suspended immigration for two years. Wages went up, the government had to spend money on vocational education because we couldn’t just import foreigners, and house prices and rents stabilised for the first time in ages. Then they opened the floodgates again and housing is UNAFFORDABLE for ordinary people

[@mkuc6951]

Its sad. I left Aus, its too depressing.

[@longiusaescius2537]

But at least Australia isnt anti Zionist

[@keirenle]

That s not a true picture. In Cairns, where I resided at the time. Farmer could not find any help so the let the fruits rotten

[@longiusaescius2537]

@@keirenle gee, I wonder what killed the native labor market? And either way work suitable for European day laborers isn't an excuse for 10 million Africans

[@keirenle]

@longiusaescius2537 Once upon the times, there was a concern that migrants would steal local jobs. Then the pandemic hit, and everyone saw the answers. There are jobs that locals just do not want. Do I argue for restless immigration policies? No. I argue for good immigration policies. One that benefits us. Let's face it. Australia is aging, and we have not been known for hard working

[@wenterinfaer1656]

'Europe needs immigration for its economy' they said. Yet people's quality of life is only deteriorating. Strange tidings.

[@Ejsmich]

well it's deteriorating everywhere if you haven't noticed and its probably a result of many things like recessions arent caused by immigrants but by companies failing. also you are looking at the short term as with the slowing birth rates there wont be enough people to fill jobs

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

Yes but if immigration was so beneficial why are we in this situation now.? Could it have been any worse?​@@Ejsmich

[@pooga5248]

its all BS, what there really trying to say is Europe needs NEW customers, borrowers, home purchaser. The whole system is DEBT, during Covid TRILLIONS of dollars were printed and spent to create inflation, now western countries need GROWTH and GDP to rise

[@davidblair9877]

@@Marvin-dg8vjI mean, yes, situations can always get worse. Situations can only stop getting worse once you’re dead.

[@Marvin-dg8vj]

@@davidblair9877 yet Japan and South Korea don't not collapse .They have low immigration .I suspect the benefits of immigration in the West are short term term and tail off quickly

[@BxPanda7]

Another thing to consider is that too much immigration can lead to native high skilled workers leaving the country or the big cities to get away from the problems the impoverished migrants cause, especially in low income neighborhoods where gangs and drugs have become common place in the last 20 years, I'd be very interested in seeing some numbers/studies on this subject because I feel like it makes a difference but I haven't found a single study on it.

[@metrofilmsuk6062]

Interesting point. I remember a member of the audience on a UK debate panel mention that many of her highly skilled colleagues (freshly graduated medical students) were moving abroad to Dubai and other places, because they didn't feel like the quality of life and cost of living in the UK was appropriate anymore. No doubt, there is an economic angle to this, but if the only areas where you can afford to live are impoverished, crime ridding ghettos then it's natural you may look at your options of leaving.

[@gauloise6442]

This is what happened to cities in ancient rome. The cities became places where only poor foreigners lived in over crowding, crime and squalor, alongside wealthy romans. The middle all fled.

[@gauloise6442]

​@@metrofilmsuk6062 Also the digital nomad life. Mexicans are complaining because immigrants from the USA are raising prices, lol

[@ХузинТимур]

There is also lack of job opportunities and overall international lack of appeal so many high skilled workers EMIGRATE from Europe to USA which is total loss for European society.

[@MeerQy_Music]

That's actually the case here in Sweden. Now more leave Sweden than come to Sweden. And it is not really the refugees or criminals, it's the high skilled native swedes who leaves, due to Sweden economy and gang war getting extremely bad.

[@ricardodevasconcelos9891]

What this video tells me is that it does not really matter if immigrants come in or not, decline is on its way anyway. Destroying social cohesion is not worth it.

[@jbs711]

I agree with you. But I think AI and robotics will make up for a lot of these problems in the decades to come. Wont need as much immigration as much will become automated.

[@leninsoft7702]

How is that the point of the video?

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@leninsoft7702 it's not the point of the video, it's the conclusion of any unbiased analysis.

[@gikigill788]

​@@jbs711Those building and paying for the AI need to share the benefits and so far it doesn't seem like they,ll share anything.

[@sasif89]

decay which would would have happened already is just postponed by a few decades. Now its decay with wide diverse ethnicity and backgrounds. Next

[@prabhatkhadka6329]

Out of all these, one of the most important things that you missed out is, the recognition of the mid-high skilled workforce. For example, even though one might have a Bachelor degree from their country of origin it might not be recognized by the European states. Hence, these mid-high skilled professionals need to seek out an employment in a low skilled job.

[@kokop1107]

This indeed is a really important point which I really missed from the video

[@memoncio7275]

My case right now. Planning to do a master, but education is more expensive for non EU citizens

[@mikitz]

That is because the degree might have different standards, depending on the country of origin and the industry/faculty in question..

[@memoncio7275]

@@mikitz Its not about standards, but politics

[@sergpie]

@@memoncio7275 Can it not be both?

[@adonis1168]

as a higly skilled non eu immigrant, i find it ridiculous i have to go through the same procedure as the low skilled migrants. i pay shit ton of taxes with no social benefits in return, as a thank you i wait 1+ years for a residency card. its also worth noting that non eu high skilled migrants migrate to europe for the high standards of social cohesion and a mass level of non skilled migrants will no longer make this worthwhile

[@jasonhaven7170]

then go away

[@dave_sic1365]

Exactly. We should be open to people that want to live with us Not prople that want to live off us.

[@ajamessssss]

​@@jasonhaven7170 scaring away high skilled legal immigrants, and welcoming hordes of no skill illegal immigrants is the sure way to destroy your country.

[@YC-bk3fl]

truly demonic comment. the "low skill" migrants having to wait 1+ year for their permit are having a much harder time of it than you and you should have empathy for them rather than whining that your application isn't getting fast-tracked over theirs.

[@mrklopplfc7055]

high skilled or not , you're still an immigrant and you'll be treated like one tf

[@maxyorke2453]

Europe has issues, but what matters most is a strong, cohesive sociocultural structure. The natives of Europe deserve their own homeland, and self-determination.

[@middler5]

That doesn't put food on the table.

[@damlakacmaz8743]

I also have a feeling not accepting immigrants (or only accept for short term) would increase supply of houses and jobs for younger Europeans. Why not just endure paying pensions for your elderly once worked for you from your bank?

[@middler5]

@@damlakacmaz8743 People live in an ideological background since the late 70s which demands competition among individuals. No such thing as a society and all that. You won't get enough of a positive response to paying for others.

[@JeiBurke]

@@middler5 neither does multiculturalism

[@middler5]

@@JeiBurke System change might.

[@SK-ki1kq]

In Europe, we should prioritize maximizing automation and robotization in professions where there is a shortage of workers. Additionally, we must work towards increasing the birth rate. I understand this is easier said than done, but it seems we've chosen the seemingly easier path without fully considering the long-term consequences. When it comes to immigration, assuming every immigrant wants to work forever in jobs Europeans don’t want is short-sighted. Eventually, they or their children will want more, leading to a continuous need for new immigrants in those roles. That’s why it’s crucial to push for as much automation as possible in these sectors. Immigration cannot be assessed solely through spreadsheets and GDP calculations. Many immigrants struggle to integrate into the European labor market or adapt to European society.

[@Yangking-z9d]

The problem is automation creates less jobs even for the working class natives who needs this to survive

[@BLACK80085]

​@@Yangking-z9d what if you gave people jobs to operate this automation though

[@Yangking-z9d]

@@BLACK80085 90% of working class natives will still lose jobs.

[@mohamedhossam9360]

You are playing with fire with this automation method you are the one who might actually consider immigration 😂

[@miepmaster25]

​@Yangking-z9drobots create robots, they don't need financial compensation. Services would be free which includes the manufacturing of goods. What i haven't figured out yet is access to limited resources like raw materials or land

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Contrary to popular beliefs migrants also grow old and require healthcare and pensions.

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

I don't think anyone's ignoring that. If they work hard, they deserve the same benefits as anyone else.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@ProsecutorZekrom they don't

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

@@longiusaescius2537 Why shouldn’t they? If they pay their taxes, they deserve the same as any other taxpayer.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@@ProsecutorZekrom they don't pay their taxes

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

@@longiusaescius2537 Yes they do.

[@ominosentenzioso5100]

As an Italian, the biggest issue on immigration is that it's not sustainable. It's a good thing accepting them, but when they come at hundred of thousands, or even milions, it's just become unmanageable. You have difficulty processing them and you can't send them back if they aren't refugees or don't result useful. Also we really need to manage the crisis at an european level, it's an issue that interests the whole continent and are the only realistic way to have enough resource to turn it around. The best way to ensure the situation doesn't worsen is to ensure that the number of people that emigrate is as low as possible, giving them a more legal and safer way to emigrate and ensure there are enough resources to accept such number of emigrants. Honestly I would suggest as solution: - Giving specifc aid and investments to african nations - Establishing bigger refugees hotspots in nations in conflict - Enlarging the number of legal immigrants from Africa to ensure that we can maintain control of the flow - Stabilizing the situation in places like Tunisia or Lybia - If immigrants go to sea, ensure they remain in Africa, to avoid immigrants drowning trying to arrive in Europe. We need to seriously rethink Europe's relationship to Africa, because it's obvious that the currently deattached behaviour is not working. In that sense both the right and the left have fundamentally failed to discuss about immigration: one wants to make immigrants suffer without answering the underlying problems, while the other doesn't give no solution at all.

[@frostpace3774]

To add on to this, there needs to be substantial investment in Eu Nationals when it comes to housing, minimum wage and investments in families in general. Immigrants are sought because as things are, no one in the EU wants to have kids. Most youth can't afford housing and what's worse is that some countries like spain are implementing a boomer tax, making spanish youth pay more to support the older generation.

[@toyotaprius79]

​​@@frostpace3774it's called market failure, but works very well for extraordinarily wealthy Americans, and the investment portfolio's for Yank, Canadian and German pensioners

[@goodsir7298]

I think that is part of the issue is that oftentimes people are confusing refugees/low-skilled mass migration and high-skilled migration. I think nobody really has much of an issue with high-skilled or controlled migration but all the complaints and downsides seem to be from the low-skilled mass migration or refugees who show up and never leave.

[@shafsteryellow]

But india is the number country... and meloni loves modi

[@aldoushuxley5953]

I don't mean to be rude (well, kinda), but those suggestions would not work. We already give aid to poor african nations, which does not really improve their situation, because their systems are corrupt (which is a large factor in why they are poor in the first place), so more aid wil not help them, and will increase populist anti EU sentiment in the EU Second point is decent, although different routes for refugees only change something, if you close off the regular borders. The problem is not only Afghan and Syrian refugees, but also a large number of people who are not themselves from active war zones but come to Europe for economic reasons, and simply pretend to be. And they would still use the traditional routes. Furthermore, refugees should be settled in the closest stable country. Afghanistan and Germany have a very different culture, language, legal system, economy... It would be much easier for Afghans to integrate in the neighbouring Arab states. We should not accept refugees (with some exceptions) at all from non European countries, but instead give neighbouring countries money to stabilize them. The problem is not the legal status of people. Letting the same people in, but through other means, does not change anything. That is the same fallacy that people in the US obsess over. The reason legal immigrants bring less problems with them, is because they are a different group of people, not because they are legal. But yes, stealing the elite from other places is obviously good, and we should encourage african engineers, doctors and so on to come. (it does destabilize the regions themselves though) How do we stabilize the situations in these countries? Its not like we are not trying. Europe simply does not have the power it once had anymore. What exactly do you propose we do, apart from giving money? Last point I fully agree with

[@WagesOfDestruction]

An Australian study found that migrants from different countries have very different economic values, even taking into account their skill level.

[@markdowding5737]

interesting, can you cite the name of the study?

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@markdowding5737 No, I heard of it in a lecture and did not take down the name. I remember the speaker stating that the people from Lebanon were the worst on the list.

[@SalehAthwal99]

I’m sure the study mentioned who runs the 7-elevens, nail salons, and who mows the lawns 😂😂. Not rocket science

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@SalehAthwal99 wrong

[@kavky]

"The Impact of Immigrants on Public Finances: A Forecast Analysis for Denmark" is a study that measured the fiscal impact of immigrant groups to the Danish economy. Immigrants from European countries are net positive tax contributors paying more than they receive in welfare, while immigrants from Africa and Middle East receive overwhelmingly more public money than they contribute. The Danish Ministry of Finance has also said in 2021 that non-Western immigrants cost the government an average of 31 billion kroner per year.

[@SimmerFerdon221]

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[@Cynthiajoy2050]

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[@NatalieScott6124]

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[@Cynthiajoy2050]

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[@AlexaJazmin-t5o]

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[@AlexaJazmin-t5o]

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[@kiwifruitkl]

I love how the logic is we have to keep prices low and affordable so we need to bring in more immigrants to replace the "labor shortage" and then expecting the immigrants to do the work that the natives won't do. At this rate, the natives will never be able to demand higher wages because they have to compete with new immigrants coming in.

[@damlakacmaz8743]

Yeah, just pay higher wages to natives.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@damlakacmaz8743can't afford to. The productivity in Europe is too low to garner higher wages. That's the main issue.

[@CRegensche1n]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209deregulation pushes productivity Laws like the EU supply chain law or all these privacy laws are huge burdens on productivity for mid sized companies that dont have huge compliance departments

[@tpower1912]

​@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Bringing in unproductive people is not going to fix that.

[@potatocrispychip]

Fun fact: 2.1 million portuguese ppl moved out of the country due to poor salaries and expensive housing and the government's reaction was to reduce the taxes

[@santostv.]

it's 2,1 million living abroad

[@potatocrispychip]

@@santostv. thanks for the reminder

[@santostv.]

@@potatocrispychip At least is the last figures I saw, we lose, I think 60k young people every year.

[@agapitoliria]

Blaming everything on inmigration and ignoring these facts... We lose way more money on brain drain alone than anything else. Meanwhile our best companies are just laying off half their staff to cut costs while making a profit.

[@gauloise6442]

At the same time a lot of EU manufacturing has shifted to Portugal meaning the boon for Portugal is making it harder for other Western Europeans. It's a lose / lose if you are working class, the Portuguese get exploited while the other Western Europeans lose job opportunities. But the rich get richer in all countries

[@tomblaise]

The idea that 80% of refugees wouldn’t be working after a decade seems insane to me as an American. I suppose Europeans are very charitable to be taking on so much economic dead weight.

[@richdobbs6595]

To translate this to you as a fellow American, what do you think the labor participation rate is for folks that have served prison terms? Those people probably mostly work in the underground economy - drugs? or have to lie on job applications. Probably easier to get a job as an illegal Mexican migrant, since you probably have a better social structure in that case.

[@Cloud_Seeker]

The issue is that here in Sweden they get such a big safety net that they do not have to. They do not learn the language. They do not learn any skills. Their culture do not work with the natives. They do not need to work to survive. Europeans are not charitable. The systems were made in a time when people worked with each other more with the understanding that they expected to work harder to help the less fortunate and not abuse or exploit the system. That is not the case now however. Now we have people who only come here to exploit these systems and the systems were not made to handle this. Also. What do you think of paying 70% of your wage in taxes? That is around the base minimum I pay here in Sweden. I don't have a choice in the matter.

[@sergpie]

@@richdobbs6595 Actually, there really aren’t many barriers impeding former criminals from entering the workforce in the United States, lest they be convicted of violent or sexual offenses.

[@tomblaise]

@@richdobbs6595 Just googled it and it’s not great although better than the refugee numbers in Europe. ~40% at 4 years. There’s a difference between citizens who have been released from prison and refugees you accept into the country though. There’s not an option to refuse entry to prisoners who have served their term, while accepting refugees is largely a choice.

[@adamoliver4094]

​@@richdobbs6595Is your recommendation to not imprison people or to just release them early? We've tried that here in California. It's a disaster.

[@RANVEER.4321]

Because of illegal migration. Legal migrants are also facing issues. I have worked for decades for US, UK and European companies. I also lived in Poland 🇵🇱 for a year. Now , suddenly my company is making excuses for re issue of visa. And Other companies are even not looking at my Resume because of Indian origin 😢

[@robertandersson3417]

Yeah what you said at 15:30 is super important, in Sweden we have extreme gang wars and gang shootings. This is a direct consequence of the high migration, especially from the MENA countries. The increase in violence and crime, is very difficult to put a price tag on, put we are paying that heavy price.

[@kokop1107]

How would you, and to the same extent, the guy from the video know whether it is a direct consequence? What do you even know about this conflict other than just a very colored scurface level understanding of it? You ever even heared about the skandinavian biker wars? Do you even know anything about the different factions, the development in the drug markets? Unless you do I don't think you're equiped to make any sort of statement or analysis.

[@gj3514]

When I heard that the "refugees" started chucking grenades in the cities of Sweden I couldn't stop but laugh at the situation Swedish people put themselves in 😂

[@Pinkiefiedz]

@@kokop1107How is it possible to know whether it resulted from immigration, you ask? Because the ethnicities of the perpetrators tell us that. They are over represented by a very large degree. If you’re going to make bad faith arguments, please stay out of the comment section. Thanks.

[@kokop1107]

@@Pinkiefiedz really great contribution you made to the discussion TopWaifu lmao. Really funny how you talk about bad faith yet seem to know nothing. The argument you're making is circular so I think you should stay out of the coments. Thanks

[@Pinkiefiedz]

@@kokop1107 I answered your original question. You can leave now.

[@Xamufam]

People cant afford to have kids housing is almost an entire wage now, it used to be 10% of it. A large parts of it is regulations that make it very expensive

[@PASTRAMIKick]

maybe it's by design

[@SmellYaLatter]

Exactly

[@belstar1128]

yea they are also destroying nature to build new houses

[@abdiganiaden]

Exactly, it’s a world of 2 paychecks to survive now How did immigrants pass such policies?

[@CultureCrossed64]

The problem is that a large part of that (not all, but a large part) is BECAUSE we have a lot less kids than we used to. If there are 50% less kids in certain areas (worse in the city) then childcare shoots up. Then you add in inflation, wage pressures, and everything else... it's a mess and I don't think anyone has perfect answers

[@cesardejeronimo8184]

Something I never understood is why economies are always looking for more workers, expect consistent growth, and record profits. If there is a worker shortage, that should put pressure for wages to increase. If there isn't any immigration, then the housing supply will increase naturally when the older generations passes away, which should cause housing costs to decrease.

[@SolomonSunder]

Because workers with voting rights are dangerous to the elite.

[@lucasborges2246]

Exactly, less people = more resources for everybody, thus government spending is less

[@gpsoftsk1]

Because governments don't care about people, they care more about corporations.

[@alexmartinez-og8gu]

@@lucasborges2246 also also people buying less which means less income in the form of taxes. there was a paper written here in america back in the 80s that said if machine automation continued to grow pretty much all factory jobs (and now with ai non factory jobs) could be automated. problem is while you can tax the owner of the plant more for the loss of worker taxes who ends up buying whatever the owners factory makes? if 80% of people lost their jobs to machines who would buy all the stuff that makes strong markets strong? who would even hold the us dollar in high regard if we did that? no one. thats the problem. robots dont have babies, pay taxes or buy stuff. you can automate away all you want in the long run it just hurts your business bottom line.

[@WhateverNameIsStillAvailable]

You're right and this proves that we don't live in democracies. Big money speaks and big money wants more cheap labour and customers who get their finances through welfare redistribution. Europeans are being colonized in a sense. The beneficiaries are big business, corrupt politicians and welfare recipients.

[@alejandrolopeztobon1643]

Possibly the best video I’ve seen on the subject. Non politicized, straightforward raw facts. Looking forward to more!

[@Ruaskillz1]

I’m sorry to take this away from the economics of immigration, but in my opinion, the other consequences of immigration are far more serious than figuring out if immigrants are a net positive economically. I don’t really care if there’s economic growth if I don’t feel as safe walking down the street; if there’s a disproportionate amount of violent/sexually violent crime per capita made by them; if I walk in my village and see that every second person is a stranger and not the same group as me; if I don’t get a friendly smile and a ‘hello’ when passing by. These, I feel are far more tangible and directly felt negative consequences of being so open to immigration from cultures that are vastly different to our own. However, with these economic studies, this just further proves the point that we are not benefitting in any real sense with these people moving in.

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

What, are you saying if someone doesn't smile they're liable to stab you? Everyone has bad days, doesn't meaning they're packing.

[@Chris-gs8kc]

​@ProsecutorZekrom That's not what was said or even implied. And I'm guessing you live in a large city and not a village where people tend to know/recognise other villagers even if they are not friends.

[@Chris-gs8kc]

@@ProsecutorZekrom Apart from the section that begins "if I walk in my village ..."

[@Victorvondoom9159]

@@ProsecutorZekrom that is not what was said try reading next time

[@heidchrasto108]

Well you mention 2 points. Firstly, high crime but apparently you have absolutely nothing to worry about in that way since you live in the middle of nowhere. Secondly, you cant handle new cultures coming into your town and I actually get that kinda. My family has lived in a village for generations and knew every pet and person there. It isnt a situation where something drasticaly new feels right. However, I speak from experience when I tell you to give it a go. Imagine how shy one is on the first day after transfering school. With the migrants its the same but on a whole another level. Be the one to say hello and smile, maybe do a little small talk (they have a different native language so ofc communication is difficult but also key) and before you know it you get invited to a tea party or sth.

[@Potion_Seller99]

Not only economic impact has to be considered but also impact crime, culture, and religion.

[@Marwan-_-7m]

That's what ur peoples did arround the world so no u are going to deal with it

[@BlueIvory4]

Of course. One at a time though or else this video will be 2 hours long

[@ytrew9717]

we both agree that the current immigration policies are bad, but your arguments is exactly why it persisted: they are wrong. You defend social markers ("family" is probably one of them) because it's a basic/primitive instinct. You should defend instead cooperation (eg. migrant come from less developed societies, they aren't able to build society scale cooperation instead they rely on family / genes clue (like we use to, like all animal, cf. "the selfish genes"), which explain why someone could sell drug while protecting their own kids, they are more materialist , they care even less about environnement, social justice, they are more homophobic, more racist, more religious... (to be clear I believe we westerners are quite far from being civilized ―though some are closer than other― but migrant come from even more backward societies). Even if you are a westerner you think more like a migrant than a westerner, you belong to the less civilized part of your nation (no judgment: i was also doing this, I realized this after a long travel). You should udpate.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

And let's be frank, the physical appearance part of changing the face of a nation does matter

[@nathanolson3135]

@@Cecilia-ky3uwno it doesn’t

[@TheyCalledMeT]

amazing contribution, finally a channel showing pros and cons and honestly talks about most of the flipsides instead of overwhelmingly praising or cursing immigration

[@facundobadino]

This is the most holistic and well put together video on the topic I've ever watched. You don't give a yes/no answer, you let us draw our own conclusions. Thank you for all your hard work!

[@SmellYaLatter]

It's the question of long term demographic politics. If a state has a sub 2.1 birth rate, it simply can't continue as it is for the society's sake. A total overhaul is needed, be it economic or social.

[@ryuuducat]

It's 2.1, not 2.01

[@Fluxwux]

The thing is that essentially every attempt at increasing birth rates have failed, at best it has temporarily increased birth rates by very small margins below replacement level to just see it decrease again. Nordic child benefits, parental leave and welfare state or Hungarian style tax breaks for large families all failed. In my opinion I think that attempts to lower cost and risk for housing and home ownership and improve work life balance (alongside Nordic and Hungarian models) might be the best solution. For example by the state providing low interest loans or even grants for families to buy a house and have better work security and remote working opportunities/ long paid parental leave for working parents. I do still however think even this might not be enough.

[@goose9515]

There's a lot of research done on France that more equal gender roles equal higher birth rates, because women don't feel relegated to the home if the man will help with raising the child

[@BaneofBalor]

​@Fluxwux I agree. One of the biggest causes (in my opinion, at least) for the declining birthrate in Europe in the cost of housing and having children. There are numerous studies indicating that citizens of developed economies with the birthrate issue do want to have children, they just don't feel like they can. Housing is a big issue in my country and a large part of the problem as I see it is that an attitude shift is needed towards housing. People nowadays see housing as an investment, rather than just a necessity, like a car for example. Homeowners expect the price to continually go up and don't want to see the prices to go down because they feel like they're losing money, and can forget that they didn't initially purchase the house with that in mind at all. The problem is that any government that intentionally and successfully causes house prices to fall will lose votes from the home-owning majority. Our grandparents likely never paid attention to the value of their houses as it was simply seen as a place to live, but recent economic trends and news cycles have made homeowners hyper-aware of the value of housing as an investment, particularly after the '08 crash.

[@SmellYaLatter]

​@@ryuuducat my bad, corrected it

[@janetKershaw-r5y]

I am afraid too much immigration to my country England has been a total and utter disaster. A divided and fearful society, witness the recent violence. Excellent video .

[@jasonhaven7170]

You mean native rioters?

[@Ejsmich]

you do know the violence is done by the natives right? not the immigrants?

[@EmmanuellaUdofia]

​​@@jasonhaven7170my neighbourhood got smashed up during those riots. The only time i felt unsafe was when natives rushed through torching cars on fire. Because of immigrants? But yet we're the dangerous.problem in the uk? 😂

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@EmmanuellaUdofia exactly.

[@OryAlle]

@@jasonhaven7170 We all saw the massive crowds of Muslim 'counter-protestors' marching through the streets brandishing knives and literal swords.

[@BogFiets]

One challenge is that skilled labor is paid MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more in the US. At this point Europe is only getting America's leftovers when it comes to high-skilled labor. An 80,000 euro job is a 300,000 dollar job. And if you want to start your own business, there is much more funding available in the US as well. And, of course, even high-skilled Europeans move to the US more often then Americans move to Europe - because as much as we all like old buildings and good parental leave, money talks.

[@markopinteric]

I agree that this is an issue, but I think you are comparing apples to oranges. If you subtract health insurance, retirement savings, and college funds for two children, the difference is probably much less. I would love to see how much better off you are if you include all the additional costs in the US. Hopefully someone will make a video like this too.

[@BogFiets]

@@markopinteric Also, retirement? Social security seems more generous than most European public pensions, and 401k’s are better than private systems here

[@markopinteric]

@@BogFiets I do not understand what you write in your reply. I KNOW that advertised wages in the EU always include all of the mentioned above plus several weeks paid holiday and unlimited sick time, and as far as I am informed this does not apply to advertised wages in the US. Please correct me if this is not true. The advertised wages in the EU also usually assume that you are single, that is your wage can be increased by certain tax break if you for example have children.

[@gpsoftsk1]

You can get 300k maybe in cities, like LA, SF or NYC. All of them are too expensive, where the rent is probably 4-5k per month. So that is just 100k before tax what is going to rent. Then there are other issues there, like healthcare, car dependency, etc. And I don't think there are many decent 300k jobs now in this market in the USA. Too much hassle, I think. I would be happy to go there but the companies I found were paying even less than in the UK, and they even complained that I am expensive, because former Bangladeshi programmers worked for peanuts. So I would probably rather keep that 80k euros than mess with the USA.

[@BogFiets]

@@markopinteric advertised wages for jobs I’ve taken in both the US and Europe have been before tax.

[@thomasmerlin4990]

there is also one thing to add: a qualified person does not always go to another country to do qualified work. Many Italian graduates, for example, go to other European countries to do low-skilled jobs. This is because a degree in Italy is often less valuable than one obtained in the host state.

[@shikharsrivastava3558]

Brilliant ! i am an Immigrant and a citizen of an EU country now. And i absolutely support sensible and smart migration. Uncontrolled Migration = Doom.

[@Issac-eg5ek]

Well, if migration equals doom, then why did italy's anti migration prime minister inister give almost half a million work visas to non eu-migrants, aka half a million visas to arabs/Muslims???

[@sergpie]

@@Issac-eg5ek Because a former WEF young leader, however anti-migration her speeches are, is a darling of the organization; she will say anything to get into office, only to appeal to the interests of WEF-backed policy.

[@shikharsrivastava3558]

​@@Issac-eg5ek i said uncontrolled migration. I think highly skilled migration is incredibly useful for EU however especially in Western EU that is simply not the kind of migration that is happening right now. You can easily see that in the data.

[@DuMorne-i3v]

Ur getting out

[@shikharsrivastava3558]

@@DuMorne-i3v can you elaborate ?

[@aldoushuxley5953]

Hmm, I did not expect such a well researched and fair video, normally, the topic of immigration is deliberately left statistics-free (and many EU countries do not even release proper statistics based on the ethnic background of people, only their citizenship or general migration background status, which is why the Danish data is so useful) Longterm, Europe must find ways to limit low skilled migration (and send people back tbh) and increase high skilled migration. My guess is that we will have to cut back on our welfare states as Europe becomes poorer. Why would highly educated people come here and pay our tax rates, if they could go to the US instead?

[@ihmpall]

Yeah sorry bud no one’s coming to Europe if they. Can go to America

[@till_teewurst8674]

We could also offer education programs to migrants and make high skilled workers out of them

[@memoncio7275]

​@@till_teewurst8674 currently, education is cheaper for EU citizens

[@aldoushuxley5953]

@@till_teewurst8674 People are not equal, you cannot, nor do they want to. Currently, you can not even bring them up to average productivity

[@adamoliver4094]

The US is relatively lucky with our immigration. The largest two groups are from Mexico and India. Immigrants from Mexico have higher labor participation rates than native born Americans. Indians in America have a median household income of $152,000 USD/yr (obviously working and paying taxes). The next largest group is from China... they're not exactly slouches either. The fraction of folks illegally entering the US that have Mexico as their country if origin is decreasing though, and it's unclear if other groups will have the same desire to work as immigrants from Mexico.

[@majorfallacy5926]

I appreciate the effort put into this video, I've tried to look into the topic and it's frustrating how terrible the research and obscure the data is. Something I'd like to see more conversation about is how our education systems should be improved to properly integrate 2nd generation immigrants and allow them to catch up and be more productive, even when their parents are a lost cause.

[@Grain_of_wheat]

True, education should aslo be more focused on lacking and necessary jobs to create more balanced economy, along with removing the stigma of taking vocational schools, overproducing high education needing jobs not only leads to wasted money on education sector, but also on soke form of unemployment at least when high enough. The education system needs to take into accoutn the economic situation of each country or even region, along with at leasr some attempt on lowering house prices in hopses of creating a more stable long term demographic situation.

[@halnineooo136]

The first thing to do is not calling them second generation immigrants. They did not immigrate. They arrived in the country the same way every other native. Native literally means born in the country.

[@majorfallacy5926]

@@halnineooo136 That is some incredibly pointless semantic tabooization. But if it's any consolation to you, I don't actually call them 2nd generation immigrants, English speakers do. In my language we call them natives with immigration background. So you guys figure this one out on your own.

[@halnineooo136]

@@majorfallacy5926 It is not helping them integrate to be assimilated to immigrants. That is a real problem, not just semantics. They're not regarded as full citizens but as "people we treat as if they were like us because we're generous and have lots of money to spare". This kind of discrimination is real, it is unnecessary and it is making integration more difficult. It is not just semantics and it is not meant to upset you. I don't know you and I have no reason to think that's how you feel about citizens "from an immigrant background". Take it easy mate

[@majorfallacy5926]

@@halnineooo136 It's not like we're talking about a form of address or anything that comes up in daily life. The fact that there is such a stark difference in the data means that in a scientific context, the differentiation is necessary. That's not some racist agenda to prevent them from assimilating, the goal is to identify levers to help disadvantaged groups. Rephrase your argument and replace immigrant with any other disadvantaged group like disabled people and see if it still makes sense to not talk about them as such because we should focus on seeing them as full citizens. That doesn't do jack for them. In fact it's a prime example of unproductive virtue signalling.

[@Razius33Officiel]

What this shows to me is how economics are not the only tools needed to solve what comes down to sociology, biology and philosophy even. Here, we are trying to understand why we can't solve ageing populations with money only. The issue is time. Being forced to work 35 to 40+ hours a week, without consideration to the commutes, is in no way helping people to build families. Our whole lifes are about being productive, not caring for others, which is the basic skill for being parents. And that can't be solved with money only. It has to be societal.

[@mobob75]

In the UK GDP per capita is reduced we are worse off with mass uncontrolled immigration. They forget that immigrants get ill. In the UK the highest recipients of benefits are from Bangladesh and Pakistan. They are a net deficit. We need to address immigrants living on benefits in the UK. I think the one issue that's never acknowledged is a country is more than it's GDP. Young Europeans can't get homes to raise a family. Just blindly opening the border at not looking at the effects and going cost risk/benefit analysis to me is negligent

[@mikefish8226]

When you examine the data, immigrants from Western countries are usually a net positive, others are not. Please note, Western doesn't include Eastern Europe, which is also a net negative. Positive is generally Canada, Australia, NZ, US, Western/Northern Europe, nearly everyone else is a fiscal negative.

[@arthurmiranda8896]

Your government will destroy your nation, it refuses to fix it heavy bureaucracy, all the wealth is concentrated at the capital, it has no plan to better the economy, it is over fixated at building a "diverse" land, it will not stop importing foreigners to be used as serfs, and it is now persecuting anyone that disagrees with it. The UK will be a case study in a decade.

[@4E3P]

@@mikefish8226i would expect chinese and indians to also perform higher on the net positive than some of the countries you mentioned

[@mikefish8226]

@4E3P Possibly, it's hard to get hard numbers on that, though organisations like to publish stats with Indians and Chinese earning more than white natives, Indians are near the top for channel dinghy crossing and Chinese are often do illegal work, remember the 21 that died in Morecambe Bay. Much of the skilled immigration from India isn't really what I'd called skilled in my experience and relies the lack of knowledge from senior management. It's actually stealing good jobs from natives. Many of the Indians working here are on inter-company transfers (the TCS's and Wipro's etc.) and avoid national insurance contributions for the first 52 etc. This makes it hard to get a good view as the UK is loath to collect race based statistics if it paints certain people in a negative light, so draw your own conclusion.

[@SolomonSunder]

​@@mikefish8226An IT worker who fulfills the lack of knowledge is still a knowledge economy worker and hence a skilled worker fulfilling a gap in the economy. There is no way a British bricklayer is able to do that job. Have enough of those gaps open and the economy would be uncompetitive. Nevertheless, UK is quite third world when it comes to IT even with respect to India. Money pushing is what UK excels at. After all it is a nation of shopkeepers. How long is another matter.

[@frostpace3774]

There needs to be substantial investment in Eu Nationals when it comes to housing, minimum wage and investments in families in general. Immigrants are sought because as things are, no one in the EU wants to have kids. Most youth can't afford housing and what's worse is that some countries like spain are implementing a boomer tax, making spanish youth pay more to support the older generation.

[@texasgermancowgirl]

I’m American and my German bf and I want three kids but we don’t know when because we don’t know how easy it will be for me to emigrate to Germany. But if I lived there now we probably would be married already and have kids in the next two years but currently not until I’m 29/30 Now

[@AS898-h3u]

@@texasgermancowgirl Surely if you get married you can easily immigrate to Germany, just have to learn german and you will be all good

[@d_all_in]

This is the problem with Europeans. They think government spending is the solution to every problem 😂

[@peterfireflylund]

There needs to be a substantial investment in economic literacy for people like you.

[@enregistreur]

"no one in the EU wants to have kids", thanks doomsayers, for ingraining that conclusion into our thoughts for decades I include myself in the "victims" of that mentality, if I had known better, I would have had kids. Now it's too late for my wife

[@dominikgadecki475]

If a migrant is not working and planning to stay. Cut the benefits in half after a year. If this does not work force employ the migrants in street cleanings, park works anything that will benefit the public sector. If the migrants, do not want to work, integrate, learn language or culture the country should not keep them. This will create a long term issue where they will be alienated, form gangs and ghettos. As a result of this we have some "no-go-zones' in few cities in EU. Also start issuing work visas for people that want to work and are within the cultural zones. North/South America is full of very hard working people and integrate easily, same for Eastern Europeans, also central Asian and South-East asian countries. In many cases, they just want to earn enough money to save up for a house and than go back. Win-Win.

[@PORRFNK]

Or offer education combined on the job training

[@Yt-Three_3]

😂😂😂 dirt mind

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

If do not want to work. Make them face fines and jail time if they cant pay up

[@canyouseeme6212]

One point that came to my mind but is not really measurable with statistics is "How many of the net positive high skilled jobs are only possible because of a net negative low skilled bottom line?" Example: When I am a cleaner and thus bring a net negative of -1€ to the state because of my low wages but my job is to clean the office space of my friend who is a doctor and thus brings a net positive of +2€, but can only do his job when his office is clean, then we have a net positive of +1€ together. Although I am directly a drain on the state, I facilitate the value of net positive jobs because they would not be operational without me."

[@RémiGranté]

Moreover I think medical doctors are not even the best example. In IT for example, in big companies most of the engineers that actually do the work are foreigners, wile natives are piled up in managing positions. The actual production relies on those immigrants, wile the natives are consumed on company politics.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

The thing is without migration wages would eventually rise to meet the demand, so while there would be fewer individual workers each worker would be more productive on the whole.

[@chamuuemura5314]

Greetings from Japan. The problem here is NOT lack of immigration but over-urbanization. People are overspending and overconsuming on unproductive entertainment for themselves instead of investing in families for the future. Thus lack of money to have kids and a vicious cycle that immigration can’t fix. Returning to traditional, rural ways of life can fix it.

[@Berth-Mephiston]

Yeah, but in Japan, even though you're more traditional than Europeans, you have the same problem as us when it comes to birth rate. I think capitalism is the main issue; the high competition is killing us

[@Habib_Osman]

There is no returning to rural life. Farms aren't what they used to be, they're become machines. Society has changed and we can't change back.

[@JiggleBiggle-g6n]

Capitalism ruled 19th, 20th centuries and at those exact times world population boomed@@Berth-Mephiston

[@JiggleBiggle-g6n]

@@Stunex but in the meanwhile humanity develops and gets more thoughtful if it used right, the capitalism is just the least bad economical system compared others and I answered about population not human greed, but you're right about that capitalism is legal way of ripoff your competitors

[@inspaceoo9165]

Thats just simply delusional. The only reason Japan got so rich is because of the massive urbanization/banking/industry boom and "going back to rural ways" will not fix anything. Japan depserately needs Immigration and the reason young ppl dont have kids isnt some weird "overconsumption of unproductive entertainment" it is because your "traditions" and messed up pressure on young Ppl makes it near impossible to start families. Your culture is just extremely toxic and anti starting a family. Improve your relationship to work culture and women first and then you will have more families.

[@lucasjames7524]

Excellent video, as always!

[@MIKEBEAN-1888]

Wow, who would of thought! Inviting hundreds of thousands of culturally/ academic differently people and subsidizing them with natives tax money wouldn't work!?!? Whoever would of seen that coming??

[@butafly]

That's not the main problem. The problem is how we determine those who are allowed ot immigrate to a country. In the past, people who were allowed to immigrate to other countries would have to be ready to work by the time they enter without wasting any time. This is the system that skilled immigrants are forced to deal with today but asylum seekers don't thanks to the 2015 migrant crisis where regulations changed over how they were accepted into a new country. I wouldn't blame the immigrants or asylum seekers themselves, they are just doing what is legally applicable to them. What we should do though is to change regulations over immigration to work based on skillset and willingness to work hard, giving only some form of exception for cases where these apply but the person who wishes to immigrate is also in danger to their life due to conflicts of genocide. Basically, get rid of the benefits, make them get work in 20-30 days of entering the country, enter them into educational programs that are partially subsidized and partially taken from their pocket to teach them the language of the country and you will have a lot more asylum seekers who work as hard if not harder than the Cubans who came to the US without much of the costs, and a LOT less freeloaders. On top of that, aiming to improve lives for young people so they have more children, like actually solving the housing crisis, whilst having a cap on immigration for a temporary period of time is what actually needs to be done, like the video states. Talking trash or giving foolish, dividing ideas will only prolong the issue.

[@IoT_]

​@@butaflyas a non eu worker I totally second your opinion

[@MIKEBEAN-1888]

@butafly it's honestly mind numbing to me how the irony of your closing statement "dividing ideas will only prolong the issue" is lost upon you when you ENTIRE argument summed up is "well it didn't work this way; let's try this other way out" when kicking them out/not allowing them in the first place would of totally avoiding this prolonged and taxpayer funded conundrum. How hard is it to admit importing criminals is a bad idea? Instead your trying to shit out ideas which only prolongs the core issue, which brings me back as to why your comment is simply so ironic it's mind numbing

[@david.nik21]

this video is currently carrying my final essay for university. thank you!!!

[@taylorcasale680]

At this point everyone knows The system around immigration isn’t working but the only question is when is it going to change?

[@OryAlle]

When people finally get over their fear of being called 'racist'.

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

When Europeans fertility rates go up.

[@weareeverywhere8851]

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 No it won't. It only ends when stuff like in the UK happens everywhere.

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

@@weareeverywhere8851 Not really, we partly turn to mass immigration to full economic and labor gaps in our economy and labor market. Poland does it too, but we rely on our poorer Ukrainian neighbors that out culturally similar to us rather than third world people.

[@baronvonjo1929]

I don't understand Immigration to sustain yourself as it's not addressing the actually issues of why your culture, society, government, and economy is in such a place as to not be a place people want children. Address the issue. Immigration is just a facade. It dosent fix the problems. And not every immigrsnt will respect your society

[@wussrestbrook1200]

Talk to western people about having children you will understand why politicians choose immigration

[@baronvonjo1929]

​@wussrestbrook1200 You can say the same about Japan or Korea. Just as adamant about not having kids. Difference is they aren't has open to others but seem to be changing a tad

[@edwartvonfectonia4362]

I am a student living in Italy, and as I can say and look around, Italy is feeding, giving a shelter, and is helping to get into a workforce. I am blessed and have an obligation to repay by any means after graduation. I would, however, say that I am a minority with this thinking, as many, I would say around 80% of migrants of any type are more of a freeloaders and leachers, and as long as Government giving them incentives of reduced housing, free meal, any kind of money, they WILL NOT work, being it 1 year, 2 or 10 years, until they find the next place that will adopt them, or they just return back.

[@unknownv8462]

absolute cap in italy u can't just live freely i know a lot of ppl who immigrate there, its very very hard

[@IoT_]

Reddito di cittadinanza ❤️

[@mari.be.86]

13:04 I'm going to contradict you here. If I'm looking at the graph correctly, your statement is not valid everywhere. For example Ireland, UK and then my Czech Republic. For example, we have a large Vietnamese community here and their children, i.e. the 2nd generation has the same education as the natives and the 3rd generation is practically the same culturally. And this is currently happening with a large group of Ukrainians. Those who came here to study have children and they are already the same as the natives. So the children of refugees who started going to school will also be the same in terms of education, etc.

[@nikolasnielsen9751]

I think your inference about refugees is wrong, as there is an important cultural factor. The ethos in East Asia is one of hard work and discipline, whereas the ethos in the Middle East is one of loyalty to your family and religion. This could maybe be mitigated if the influx number of migrants was lower - that way, holding on to the old ways would be more difficult, as the immediate community of compatriots, or people of similar backgrounds, would be much smaller, therefore also "weaker" culturally, unless stimulated otherwise.

[@bearlogg7974]

Why are these videos popping up now, 10 years too late. It’s like reporting the fall of the U.S.S.R on 9/11

[@Хентаи-м1ы]

Its only now socially acceptable to talk about this, in 2015 you would have been called a nazi (oh nmv you still get that)

[@gauloise6442]

In other words, water is wet.

[@Ejsmich]

not really because it is subjective but sure

[@tacitustoday3571]

1. The supposed skills shortage does not exist. Its a propaganda invention. 2. Over %60 of migrant intake are illiterate in their own language. 3. Importing cheap labor to artificially damp down wages in designated sectors undermines the organic competitive allocation of resources within an economy.

[@DomskiPlays]

Surprised by how good and unbiased this video is, I love it!

[@heidchrasto108]

While I do like that you have tackled an often tabooed topic, I cant shake off the feeling that the video is a bit off. Since migration is such a hot topic, a nuanced and complete overview is important. However, I found that you almost exclusively looked at the "hard economical numbers" while basically completely ignoring all sociological aspects. Yes, you mentioned that migrants are discriminated against in the workplace but then you seemingly dont put that into account in the later course of the video. As a solution for low migrant productivity, you proposed cutting benefits for migrants to "get them to work". Dont you see how that for some people validates their notion of immigrants being lazy and inferior? In reality, especially low skilled migrants come to europe in search for opportunity. That literally means that they want to work. Moreover, since the average age of migrants isnt 60, they can absolutely do an apprenticeship and then find their way into the fields, where they are needed. Unfortunately, that happens seldom. Not because the migrants are lazy, but because of bureaucratic burdens, discrimination and lack of immediate financial gain, which is needed to build a life. Also, a language barrier basically eliminates all chances of finding a great job. Aha so we should force immigrants to learn English, French or German or whatever? Well, while that would have benefits for migrants, knowledge of the language doesnt necessarily facilitate a seamless integration. On a deeper level, cultural defense and isolation are dynamics that we have to understand to get the full picture of failing integration. Here, we can also see reasons for children of migants not being fully inegrated and "average". In essence, I understand that you didnt want to pump out a 1 hour video giving a whole overview. However, I think that its a bit pointless to give an overview without going over the reasons for those economic dynamics. Its a bit finance bro to try to quantify a wage bonus for low skilled migrants that allow for the specialization of others and so removed from reality. We need people in those low paying jobs, because we are a service economy. Its not like migrants being medical workers enable you to do more KZbin. If they wouldnt do the job, you would do zero videos a month but all the the dirty medical work and that would be such a shame.

[@SunshinyK]

Thank you, I thought I was going crazy watching this video and reading these comments. Why is this superficial, unbalanced video being recommended to me? Is the algo trying to radicalise me?

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

@@SunshinyK If the whole argument is that migrants are an advantage because you don’t have to invest as much into them, and then you’re argument shifts to we need to invest more in migrant labor in order for them to be productive, remind me what advantage migrant labor has over native workers? And low wages in the service industry isn’t an excuse for allowing mass migration because given enough time, the labor market would adjust until supply meets demand, things would get more expensive but due to higher overall wages, it would actually end up being a wash or a benefit for the lower classes. America is a much less progressive country generally than Canada, Sweden, France, etc, yet America has a much easier time integrating immigrants than any of these other countries so I doubt the actual solution is to further expand the bureaucracy in order to meet the demands of the ever expanding bureaucracy.

[@briciolaa]

@@SunshinyK fr

[@arttig.3377]

I moved to EU from non-EU European country 12 years ago as a student. I have been working, paying my taxes and not causing any problems for anyone.

[@al919]

Probably that’s why legal migration is better than illegal

[@peter-xw1mu]

Nobody said all of non-eu immigrants are a problem. sadly enough a significant amount are. And we are sick and tired of it. Our culture and society is under 'attack'.

[@Alepfi5599]

Thank you for coming, I wish most other immigrants would behave as decent as you :)

[@dimiathan]

My girlfriend’s family also came from Russia 22 years ago and never been unemployed since. They never considered sitting on welfare money. It’s in their culture

[@gj3514]

​@@dimiathancause they are not brown 😂

[@nononono3421]

There is no labor shortage, only a lack of incentive to innovate, precisely because cheap labor is massively imported.

[@tizioincognito161]

Europe stopped innovating long since any Major immigration in wave tho, cause innovation and education required for such innovation are the most expensive things for both Enterprise and state, Italy has a stagnation economy also mainly due tò the fact that both Enterprise and state dont invest in innovation

[@MrRebound68]

@@tizioincognito161 And when they invest in innovation some fiscal ideologue comes around and smashes all that was gained in the next legislative period - cf german solar and wind energy businesses.

[@dave_sic1365]

​@@MrRebound68Transrapid was even worse

[@mrcool7140]

​@@dave_sic1365the Transrapid was always BS, made up by the Siemens-lead industrial complex lobby. Had the government spent that tax money on actual, proven-to-work high speed rail, our infrastructure would be in a much better place today. But noo, the 90s tech-bros wanted to travel from Munich to Berlin in 2h...

[@claudiodelang9767]

We need an intelligent discussion about migration. Politicians don't provide it. Thank you for this! Keep it up!

[@brucemclaren-]

Came to Poland for varsity from Zimbabwe after A level, studied computer engineering and got a 2 year packet core engineer internship at Nokia networks with basically guaranteed full time employment after. Then after 14 months of brilliant work my residence permit application got botched and there's basically no way to fix it cz the process is incredibly strict and bottlenecked. So now I'm waiting to pick up my degree and head back to Zim cz i can't work in Poland It's a bit odd though that the immigrants they're keeping are the illegal ones you're saying aren't helping much. And it has been pretty negative cz I've seen porches missing headlights in the underground garage at my mate's place (take a guess what that's about). And someone just broke into my 98 Mercedes CLK 320. Now what countries are known to be obessed with old mercs?😂😂 Now all jokes aside the biggest cause of immigration is repressive regimes that are kept in power in the shit countries by the richer counties and the extractive economics they practice. That's the reason why i tried leaving. To get half a chance at a somewhat level economic playing field. And I actually got an incredible opportunity. My shit passport from a shit country screwed me lol. Then there are the concepts of people moving from one country to another and goods/materials moving from one country to another. Our attitude towards each shouldn't differ much. Cz the nicer countries that benefit from the global maritime trade order cz they get cheap materials to make whatever and the rubbish countries don't get paid much and it all goes to the oligarchs anyway. If the counties had better living standardised and the workers in the mines and what not were paid well and the materials sold as processed they wouldn't be cheap and the living standards in the developed world wouldn't be as good. Hence the migration. So the only cure to the migration problem is helping the poorer world get rid of the tyrants and develop a bit. We know you can do it, we've read about Japan and South Korea.

[@tanler7953]

We will intervene only if population size can be controlled.

[@Banom7a]

yeah its very funny because european bitching about them but yet all of them forget their own countries fucked up the rest of the world lol

[@unknownv8462]

thank you

[@IoT_]

They would rather kick you, high skilled intelligent immigrant than a "refugee" who would just usufruct the benefits and do nothing. It's Europe in a nutshell

[@tanler7953]

Helping the poorer world get rid of tyrants? South Korea is an example of a dictator controlling economic development.

[@akatsukicloak]

Less population means less competition in the labor market, higher wages and cheaper housing. It's a better quality of life. Any shortages can be solved through global trade by outsourcing what cannot be produced en mass. In Europe's case it's mostly service oriented anyway.

[@JJ-te2pi]

This isnt the case though. People concentrate in big cities, thw property prices keep rising quickly in areas with actual jobs like Budapest. While housing declines in value in the rural areas, like eastern Hungary, which face declining populations. This is the reality.

[@akatsukicloak]

@@JJ-te2pi You really don't understand that importing millions of migrants will inflate housing prices even more? Beyond ignorant. Most of the big surges in prices for most cities is related to international movement of people.

[@unknownv8462]

ASK JAPAN XDDDDDDDDDDDD IF LESS POPULATION MEANS LESS COMPETITION

[@unknownv8462]

U have a narrow vision of economy more people means more opportunities, every worker is also a consumer less population u have less trades u have in ur country so mechanically ur GDP fails and in capitalism not growing = crisis

[@akatsukicloak]

@@unknownv8462 In exchange for the loss of social cohesion, cultural identity and potential higher crime rates, squalor and diseases? No thank you, GDP will not make the average person happier unless they're a billionaire who sees people as nothing more than cattle to be harvested for money. More people means more competition, opportunities are not guaranteed or immediately available, instant competition for resources like jobs, housing etc is guaranteed. A shrinking economy to a shrinking population is natural for a modern civilization. Unless you're jeff bezos, your vision is silly.

[@Henners1991]

Discussion of this topic really needs to highlight the difference in GDP and GDP per capita. Immigration "make line go up" but that doesn't mean everybody is doing better (in fact, quite the opposite - especially when you factor in overburdened state services and housing).

[@jasonhaven7170]

London has been experiencing the most immigration (only half EU), and their net fiscal surplus keeps increasing. In fact, London and the South-East of England are the only regions to have a net fiscal surplus, and increase in net fiscal surplus. All other regions are seeing a net fiscal deficit, and the deficit keeps getting worse. "London and the South East each showed a net fiscal surplus in FYE 2023; expenditure was higher than revenue in all other countries and regions (net fiscal deficit)." "Net fiscal deficit increased for each country and region in FYE 2023 except London and the South East, which both showed an increased net fiscal surplus" So, the problem isn't immigration, the problem is the rest of the country is too poor. London keeps taking in immigrants, and their net fiscal surplus keeps increasing and their economy keeps growing. "In 2022, gross domestic product per capita in London was 57,338 British pounds, compared with 55,033 pounds in the previous year, and 50,162 in 2020." London's GDP per capita keeps increasing.

[@Failsafeman100]

Amazing video. Publishing an opinion on this matter nowadays is a walk on a tightrope, and you've made it across. No bias, no censorship, scientific and compassionate. This, friends, is how to youtube. You've earned a subscription from a European migrant in Europe, thanks for sharing your insights!

[@PracticeNine]

I recently read an article (and ffs I cannot find it anymore) that in Germany we don't have a scarcity of workers. Not really anyway. Companies discriminate against older people and thus creating their workshortage themselves. And most of the unemployed people looking for work are in the unskilled sectors. So baselane: Skilled workers are not being hired due to age discrimination and most unemployed are looking for work in low skilled "helper" jobs.

[@PedroPereira-si3sy]

On what kind of low skilled jobs old people are discriminated? You know that most low skilled jobs require phisical prowess, to wich older people cannot compete for age related issues. Most people I know with more than 50 years old that took on a phisicaly demanding profession, are with injuried bodies, making them less productive than a younger individual. And all their expirience gathered with the many years of work, can be substituted by younger people, as those jobs don't require that much information and knowledge to begin with. So it is not discrimination, it is securing the most advantageous buissnes model for your company.

[@acoknitteruntemha]

so you're saying Germany should let more low skilled employees?

[@jomo2483]

I was in the Netherlands. Their public resources feel a bit strained by all the immigration boom. I don't think it's an easy topic, because it largely depends on the country. Also European immigration policies really don't encourage highly intelligent and highly skilled workers to move there. So they mostly get low skilled immigrants and refugees who can't contribute much to the local economies. This is a bit different in the USA. It has been USA's biggest secret. It's ability to attract highly skilled individuals, so they're able to contribute immensely to their economy. Generate jobs to be able to compensate for the huge amounts of unskilled immigrants. Europe is not very great with fostering a conducive environment for capitalism to thrive. Mostly because their social welfare model, requires high tax rates to keep functioning. Places like Netherlands, can draw money from their colonies and France on their West African dominions. But for much of Europe, they either don't have their colonies anymore, or their social welfare only works if the population is kept small. There's nothing wrong with low skilled immigrants, I'm pretty sure most Europeans don't want to lose their lucrative jobs to foreigners. And some of these are really intelligent individuals who just got unlucky in their home countries. That said, most unskilled immigrants are not the most intelligent of their population. And as I stated, EU immigration policy tends to put off the highly skilled and highly intelligent people. Considering there's not so many people who are highly intelligent in any society to begin with, you'll want to try to get as many of them as possible. Hence why American immigration does it more good than harm. Irregardless of what you see their media spouting. I live in Kenya, and multinationals have played a huge role in attracting highly skilled and intelligent people from all over the world. Because these have a higher spending power than the average Kenyan, an entire economy has sprung around. Increasing the wealth of the communities around them, more niche businesses have popped up as well. We even have entire malls that just cater to these foreigners. Ultimately , they end up serving the locals who benefit from the multinationals. This has been the reason Kenya is developing fast. It's mostly still an agricultural country, but it's ability to attract these highly skilled workers from outside has really spurred a lot of growth for the economy. Some workers who come in with the multinationals and NGOs settle in Kenya. Build apartments and set up businesses. Because they can afford a bigger house here, than they would have back home in Europe, US or they simply like the weather and the people. But mostly is the better quality of life, they get paid way above the national average. Often Western wages in a developing country. Plus access to the best healthcare, and live in plush neighborhoods. This how US attracts highly skilled workers. Give them higher wages than anywhere else. But in Europe, the immigration policy is, "you must first make high wages to come here." But if someone is already earning a lot of money, they're least likely to immigrate. Unless something catastrophic happens like a war or poor economic policies in their country of residence.

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

💯💯💯

[@IoT_]

These people hate high skilled workers. Just read the comments from some high skilled workers, and specifically the replies from the Europeans to these comments.

[@user-jm8yh1dp6l]

People always says that Japan's GDP is shrinking due to it's declining population and not having enough immigration, yet it's still a much nicer, safer country to live in where systems run more smoothly than western European countries that have taken in many millions of africans and muse slim. It's amazing how much better and more efficiently a country runs when you have a high trust society, which mass immigration (particularly of non-europeans) sharply decreases.

[@MateusMaciel-g3l]

Congratulations on this amazing video. It is a short class regarding the relationship between migration, public finance, and economic growth. The fact that you also use well published papers is simply amazing. This is a comment from a PhD student in Economics.

[@guuiswere]

If you consider Japan as an example, you have the remember the 4 types of economies: Developing, Developed, Japan and Argentina

[@briciolaa]

could you explain what this means please?

[@georgehuzum7278]

@@briciolaa don't bother, what he said does not make any sense

[@briciolaa]

@@georgehuzum7278 thank you

[@cdr29qm]

​@@briciolaa It's a quote from the economist Simon Kuznets, the joke being that Japan and Argentina seem to be the main outliers with respect to some theories of macroeconomics. It's not really true though, e.g. you have to also put resource-rich countries (especially petrostates) in their own category (and then Norway is the exception to the exception, the one petrostate that parlayed its oil windfall into long-term prosperity).

[@valentinfort7247]

"we can influence the immigration policy by our votes" I am French and I can tell you that it is not possible in my country. The past governments that promised to decrease the immigration... increased it. And the other side of the political spectrum sacralized all the migrants, says that cultural integration (what we call in France "assimilation") is racist and threats everyone that desagrees (even a little bit) as fascist. So ... I think my country will continue to loose his cohesion.

[@feynstein1004]

Here in Germany, the sudden influx of migrants has collapsed the housing market and rents are sky-high everywhere. The people in charge really did not think this through, did they?

[@zannierzan9634]

I'm kinda surprised to hear German people complaining about housing price, where in a developing country, without even immigration, internal migration is enough to push house prices to 30-40 times the average income in bigger cities. The entire extended family chipping in for a house is pretty common. Sometimes I wonder if there's a real problem or people from developed countries are just spoiled kids all grown up

[@hehenoelo4858]

Of course they did, people in charge are owners of those flats and houses that are being rented, why they would worry about getting more money from renting?

[@hehenoelo4858]

@@zannierzan9634 So you propose, that people from the richest countries should aspire to live like people in Bangladesh and Pakistan with 15 other people in 1 room? Sorry but if you'd lower that quality of life expectations it would cause revolution in those countries.

[@feynstein1004]

@@zannierzan9634 Your argument basically boils down to: I got shot 10 times, so another person who got shot 5 times is totally fine by comparison and shouldn't complain or go to the hospital. Damn, people will turn even pain and suffering into a competition.

[@feynstein1004]

@@hehenoelo4858 Damn 😅

[@YousifBashinah]

This is the first video I watch of your channel, and I must admit I'm very impressed. Amazing content mate 👏

[@Guitar6ty]

In every country that imposes mass immigration the cost of living sky rockets for everyone. Its utterly ridiculous to imposes mass immigration in an age of Ai which will cull 1.6 billion jobs in the next 3 years. Its already hitting Banking Warehousing Administration and Retail shopping. Make people insecure with mass immigration you lower wages make jobs insecure and the price of housing becomes beyond the reach of the majority who then stop spending and stop breeding. If you add the fact that most new arrivals do not speak the host country language and do not integrate and for the most part remain unemployed they are a net loss. They will also retire in a few years and that will then add to the problem of housing them and paying them a pension. Governments thus have no vison and are destined to ruin the countries economy.

[@alexander-c2z]

We don't want people who don't respect our culture.

[@Sean-eq8qp]

Great Video. Also great to see that you take constructive critisism serious!

[@boston19801]

A Very deep and balanced report. Great work.

[@peteraugust5295]

The Solution is simple. Put on your glasses, if you need any, put on some shoes. Take a ride to the next city, walk around the city center for one hour, return back home. Think about what you saw. Then decide if immigration is good for the nation or not. You can answre this questions for yourself once and forever, with less then one day of time invest. All you need to do it keep an open mind for that one hour and observe.

[@harbl2479]

This is too much for left leaning voters to understand. All they do is listen about human rights and completely disregard reality while nestled in their rich neighbourhood.

[@deutscherfuchs3733]

If you are lucky enough to live in Germany there are soooo many great cities where you can do this! There is almost certainly one near you, and if not, don't worry! I can guarantee that one is to coming very soon to your area! Duisburg, Mannheim, Ludwigshafen, Frankfurt (I recommend the Bahnhofsviertel in particular), Hannover, Berlin, Bremen and Hamburg. In the big cities your experience will depend on which part of the city you visit, by going to some areas you may be putting your own life at risk, while other parts may disappoint and still seem partially civilised (don't worry though, because as we speak the government & local elite are working extremely hard to fix that!).

[@Grzegorz_Grabowski]

@@deutscherfuchs3733 Currently, I'm lucky enough to not live in Germany.

[@harbl2479]

@@peteraugust5295 Oh look the creator started deleting comments. I suppose I hint a nerve of his.

[@ProsecutorZekrom]

Well I go to my city centre a lot, so I can tell you immigration is good for the UK.

[@sleepman8548]

why are you putting the algerian flag in the thumbnail wtf !!!

[@bih_ae]

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[@ahmedalsharman]

At 9:42 the author showes his hidden agenda by saying "Middle Eastern migrants" , but the chart shows MENAPT stands for Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan, and Türkiye.. and this study made in Denmark 🇩🇰 , so this chart mainly shows North African /Kurdish/Turkish migrants . To say they are middle eastern is not true .

[@AnesAnes-t2u]

One of the best videos i ever watch , thanks for this work.

[@Pepe-r4f]

The minimum wage in portugal is 850 a single room is around 600 how do they want people to have a family? How do you have a kid with that low of a wage? In a house with 6 other strangers too? If you ask for more money theyll just say "if you dont like it leave i can get a Brazilian to do your work for less" then they go "oh nooo why is our population mostly old people why is everyone leaving" i wonder

[@mike-nj3mb]

another option is Europe could create policies for families to have 3 to 4 kids job done

[@MateHall]

Its called poverty , when people become wealthy enough , they are far less likely to have more than 2 children.

[@jochen9367]

Thats easier said than done, Hungary has been trying to do that for 14 years with absolutely zero results, the average Hungarian family has less than 1.5 child. There are SOOOO many factors for a growing population that is very difficult to do

[@jochen9367]

@@MateHall I strongly disagree, the economic collapse of Eastern Europe did not help the fertility rate on those regions it destroyed it

[@kfzsteuer-1909]

I think this is very hard in todays society as womes are more educated and emancipated. The fertility rate in Europe is and was decreasing (partly) due to higher wealth as well as higher education and rights for women.

[@lif3andthings763]

They dont work people just dont want to have kids anymore thats it.

[@rafaelcosta3238]

One thing nobody ever questions when talking about bringing immigrants from other cultures into Europe to "help pay for the welfare state" is: will they be willing to keep the welfare state for Europeans when they are the majority of workers (and voters)? Are people from a certain culture notorious for having a rule book that states others have to work for them going to be willing to work for others if they have the numbers to avoid it?

[@Alexlinnk]

Thank you so much, your videos influence my votes 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Sombre_gd]

Does this guy really called health care workers "a low skilled" and called making YT videos "hyper productive activity"? Tell me please, it was sarcasm 🤦‍♂

[@juanzulu1318]

Three points which are usually not mentioned in such evaluations: 1. Migrants get old too. They cannot solve the demographic problem. 2. Migrants bring their elderly with them which, in a social welfare state, means that they draw money out of the society while not injecting anything in return. 3. The amount of immigration: mass migration reduces the will for integration and assimilation. This has a substancial negative effect on social cohesion and social capital. 4. The cultural element of immigration: some cultures are worse than others. Archaic cultures dont fit well into modern society. The negative cultural effects could be absorbed if the numbers are low, but if they are high any society runs into a problem sooner or later. See point 3. In short: it is not only about money. The social aspect might be even more relevant. See whats currently happening in Britain.

[@boglehead5822]

I am 76 years old and I have worked with Moroccans in the seventies and eighties in the Netherlands. They were very hard working people,, but not educated. Their second and third generation is less serious, but they are more educated and speak the Dutch language very well. Most of them have better jobs than their parents.

[@IntoEurope]

Yes, if my memory serves me correctly, the Netherlands and Germany are the two EU countries where labour market integration of 2nd gen immigrants is better than that of their parents. It's something I will look at in the future! Cheers, Hugo

[@w444rbv]

The avg moroccan moroccan retired have no payed trips or any kind of thing while an avg european gets to travel everywhere including in morocco Now imagine this young generation seeing how thier parents and grand-parents have been treated in thier own land that's why they are not very willing to work because it's very corrupt and unfair (+no insurance,scams....)

[@00pSyKo00]

Excellent video, thank you for making it!