What Red Pill Philosophy Gets Wrong

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[@DonJuanplagueisZero]

This didn’t make sense. Either RP follows libertarianism or conservatism not both…

[@thesaddestdude3575]

Now make a video on blackpill

[@DonJuanplagueisZero]

@@thesaddestdude3575 lol

[@RobespierreThePoof]

This video was far more insightful than anything I would expect to find on KZbin. I admit that i had not really dug very deeply under the surface of the red pill discourse. Certainly not to the level of connecting it to certain philosophical traditions dating back to the enlightenment. Some time ago, i realized one of my subconscious motives for becoming a historian was because I find contemporary social politics a little too emotionally arousing. (I get too angry to be as rational as i prefer to be - or, i used to, when I was younger.) It is impressive to me that other scholars and advanced students manage to maintain their level& headedness and dispassionate analytical skills even when speaking about very frustrating ideas from the contemporary world. Personally, i prefer to do that via historical proxy. Just today I spoke about iconoclasm and let students make the connection to contemporary political assaults on monuments. To each his own, i suppose. I'll be back for more of your videos. Thanks for sharing your mind with us.

[@karonchapman746]

You guys rock. Don't listen to the nay sayers. I'm 65 n been aware of the sacred all my life. I've been that disheartened of late bc I really think we could be history... that I thought of turning to a crime against humanity... selling drugs. I actually considered it intellectually & was still considering when I watched this doco. I would like to humbly THANK YOU for bringing me back to my senses & making me remember the purity of living with the sacred & that it is the most priceless thing you can attain in this life. Thanks for keeping an old woman on the most beautiful path that is life. Thanks for the redemption before i had to seek it. Love your work. Keep doing just what your doing. It's beautiful. Universal LOVE & compassion from KAZ FROM NSW AUSTRALIA

[@natosouzer]

Red pill, blue pill, black pill, too many pills. 💊 Big pharma wins. 😂

[@keymango]

what they need to take is medication pills 😭😭

[@jocsanabdala9456]

Big Pharma always wins😂😂😂

[@Tom-rd8dd]

They should just invent the panacea at this point

[@rewindcat7927]

[Dr Mario]: You shaddap right now 😂

[@JohnathanFallSeasonGuy]

If the Blue pill puts you back in the matrix and the Red pill gets out, what happens when you take both?

[@seanrrr]

Whenever I see these red-pilled bros, I'm reminded of one of my favourite quotes from Marcus Aurelius: "Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one." They're so wrapped up in trying to look the part, they forget to actually BE a good person. For them, it's far easier to pretend to be wealthy/happy/successful than to actually be it.

[@045773]

That's the result of a culture based on satisfying your own desires at all costs and not on building meaningful relationships with other people. People want to "belong", so it's a not a surprise that this kind of red-pill thinking is so seductive when you don't have a people around you to give a frame of reference of a healthy connection with other human beings.

[@SpongeChadSquareJaw]

What is meaningful relationship?

[@Vitlaus]

replace “red-pill” with career . . . this is why so many women are single-ish and childless

[@9000ck]

@@SpongeChadSquareJaw Where you aren't the only one doing the talking and you listen to and consider the perspective of others; ie where you engage in intersubjectivity.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

​@@9000ck I'd add on it's also when they relationship isn't 100% transactional. Capitalism has trained us all to think in those terms, especially here in the US where right-wing bs is especially bad.

[@chickensalad3535]

​@@VitlausI have a feeling that you don't hold this same idea for men.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

“Everything you’ve ever been told is a lie, but not this. Everyone is stupid except me.” Sounds legit 🙄

[@linuswang6572]

Well said!

[@kimcosmos]

not sure which side you are talking about. Could be either

[@chekz3520]

There are so many men who are insecure, unintelligent, and have zero social skills in the world. It's a very lucrative grift for anyone with even a tiny bit of charisma and the ability to ignore reality.

[@TheMorhaGroup]

​@@kimcosmosIf both do it, then surely it's both sides?

[@rikk319]

@@kimcosmos Nah. One of the well-documented efforts of authoritarian fascism is to make people stop caring what's really true or not...do just put their head down and follow orders. Both-siderism is an aspect of this. You can tell who's screwed up by who is attacking science and the pursuit of truth.

[@trybunt]

Red pill seems to say "you can walk your own path" but then follows it up with "and it should be this path right here, this is the path you should walk, everyone should walk this exact path"

[@TheGeorgeD13]

Not so coincidentally, this is what every cult leader says to their recruits.

[@biocaster777]

It used to be like that, it used to be about abandoning soceital and women's expectation and doing whatever will makes you happy, ideally without relationship or after having their life and future destroyed by relationship. But after Peterson and later Tate became the voice of the movement, I jumped ship. I was a former MGTOW and they barely have a voice in the manosphere, these days. I still hold firm on my belief until I met my gf that it begjns to softened. She's the first women I ever meet who understand my deep fears.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

@@biocaster777 You're not wrong, but I was around for that. That nice little supportive group of men talking to each other healthily on the internet only lasted for like 5 minutes. Then people who are in the "hurt people hurt people" camp joined in and then it just got fucked from there.

[@biocaster777]

@@TheGeorgeD13 I still can't wrap my head around how Tate became popular. His messages is completely against what MGTOW is stand for (To us women are potential hazard, so always keep them at arm's length and keep it professional if you can't avoid them. Imagine monks without creed). But I guess most younger men only care about getting laid or sleeparound regardless of comsequences and dangers coming with it.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

@@biocaster777 If they actually cared about getting laid, they'd shut out all the other noise and just do whatever it takes to get good at that. Experiment with apps and on dates, research psychology literature and relationship stuides, date a LOT, get in great shape, get your mental health on point, learn how to be a good conversationalist, etc. I had that phase in my early to mid 20s. I got good at getting laid. At a certain point, I realized that connecting with another person that I happened to be attracted (and in turn was attracted me) was a lot more fun. I ended up in a few fulfilling relationships where I made a lot of mistakes, but came away with a lot of lessons learned that I applied further to my life and later relationships. Now I'm in a wonderful place mentally, professionally, socially, and relationship wise. Of course, these things don't stay stable forever and that is life. People get sick, they die, people lie and get hurt, people move away, etc. Shit happens. But because of my expriences, I know how to navigate them and how to stay centered. That all started from just wanting to get laid a lot. If you really want something, go and try very hard to get it. Even when you fail (and you WILL fail, like a shit ton), you'll learn a lot about yourself and life. Like I said, these guys don't want to get laid. They want to be told that they're perfect just the way they are and it's those woke bitches that are the problem and are why your life sucks. Men like Tate get popular because he points their unhappiness at a target to blame and it's easy to do that when you don't want to look inward at yourself and decide what you're going to do about your life that you don't like and make changes. That shit's hard and not easy like blaming others.

[@guidovanthaar3761]

Of all the signs they could have chosen, they're centering one from an action movie with protagonists clad in latex and leather, inspired by a French postmodernist, and directed by two transgender women. I don't expect ideology to be symbolically coherent, but this is discours collapsing on itself before it is even articulated.

[@guidovanthaar3761]

Oh, and the entire idea that 'culture' exists as an outside force with agency triggers me crazy, lol. It's repackaged supernaturalism, again, for the umpteenth time.

[@fastemil123]

@@guidovanthaar3761 Hi, what an interesting statement :) Just out of curiousity could you please elaborate on the supernaturalism? How it is paralel and what you have seemingly against it?

[@guidovanthaar3761]

@@fastemil123 A general descriptor for all those nebulous concepts, 'things', that are ascribed as having agency in itself. It's 'God', the 'World Spirit', 'Zeitgeist', 'Capitalism', or in the context of Red Pill: 'Culture'. Some of these (capitalism without a capital C, culture, maybe arguably zeitgeist) refer to complex phenomena, the result of human action, interaction and thought. The concept simplifies the phenomenon, but it is not a thing in itself. When red pillers whine about 'a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity', they're ascribing "supernatural" qualities to an empty concept. Women not wanting anything to do with them is not because of something they have a choice in, no, 'it's the culture'. It's not unlike saying that something happening is God's will, or that Capitalism did it, or it was predestined by History.

[@guidovanthaar3761]

@@fastemil123 Oh, and I appreciate the symmetry of our profile pictures. I'm standing in front of some ancient kitchens in Pompeï. Where you at?

[@chloroking7864]

they become woke afterwards. also culture is a social force

[@mylittlethoughttree]

“The red pill doesn’t exist. It itself is an ideology, a mythology, a matrix of beliefs. Because there’s no escaping the social common world and reverting to some authentic, rational notion of what masculinity, or anything else, is. If you think you can find the key to say relationship success in a forum or a method or a formula, there is none. Intersubjectivity is more important you.” Boom! That's one hell of a conclusion to end it on. Loved this!

[@endTHEhegemony_Today]

Agreed, and it's great to see you here!! 🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤 Your breakfast club videos brought me a great amount of comfort and inspiration in a dark time of my life a few years ago. I am forever grateful for your kind demeanor and thoughtful writing! 🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤 Much Love!

[@mylittlethoughttree]

@@endTHEhegemony_Today oh wow, thank you!! That's really kind of you to say. I loved making those Breakfast Club videos, they were one of my favourite things to make and, actually, I still need NEED to finish that series with a video on Vernon and Carl

[@TemperedWambat]

I gotta disagree. There are certain set of principles people in good relationships keep as dogma. If you also adopt those into your relationship you have a higher probably that your relationship will be healthy. Its just that the red pill is not a framework for a healthy relationship.

[@endTHEhegemony_Today]

@@mylittlethoughttree Your Little Thought Tree is a beautiful corner to spend time in, with an impact far greater than you could ever know!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with all of us!! I'm looking forward to your takes on the remaining Breakfast Club Characters!! 🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤 Drink Water Much Love!!

[@logiconlyzone]

Better described… “No one knows and we like to make stuff up.” What a waste of time… The video should have been 10 seconds. Or even better, “humans are complex and we all have different needs and perspectives.” I mean, these videos really are trash. There is nothing academic or profound about the video and it’s full of logical fallacies.

[@polaroidandroidjeff6383]

Hurt men influencing other hurt men

[@profet1385]

This is super basic and uneducated take on the matter. I did delve into manosphere many years ago, and while it is very biased and mostly vile for the soul, it has some points. It takes a few essays to explain, i suggest to take more time and open mind, especially empathy.

[@polaroidandroidjeff6383]

@@profet1385 I'm open to you or anyone in these comments changing my mind on the matter. I don't agree with the uneducated comment; I'd say at worst what I've done here is generalise all the men caught up in the manosphere and not taken into account the complexity of human experience, but even with that being said, you can't just skip over the probability that a lot these men are hurt men influencing hurt men.

[@eminentbishop1325]

​@@polaroidandroidjeff6383better person than me. I was about to get petty on your behalf the way homie came at you was not cool

[@blackagent4754]

​@@polaroidandroidjeff6383 The main problem with your comment is that you're blaming men for being hurt instead of blaming those that hurt them in the first place. When humans are hurt, you can bet that we'll be upset about it and rightly so. The guys of the manosphere aren't wrong for being hurt or angry. They can be wrong for how they express it. However, they are right that the blame mostly goes into the society at large for disregarding average guys and belittling them. It's best to first learn why the victim lashes out and who made them angry than to jump to blaming the victim for being angry. I hope I made sense.

[@amulyamishra5745]

​@@blackagent4754 on point mate

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

Breaking out of The Matrix for me was realizing the Pizza Hut I grew up with in the 90s actually sucks.

[@eddenoy321]

I moved to Dominoes back then ..it was a turning point in my development

[@1mTheCat]

Feel for you

[@beng4647]

I never really recovered from Papa Johns discontinuing their garlic sauce.

[@simesaid]

Wait until you find out the awful truth of... The Pancake Parlour. You won't come out the other side and still be the same person that went in. Godspeed.

[@Michael-lg4wz]

I'm still blue pill pizza hut buffet believer

[@strikeforce1500]

I used to consider myself the 'Sigma male, red pill' thing, I didn't realize how F up I was until I catch myself having cruel/sexist thoughts of my own mother and sister. Both of who raise me, are successful, are leaders, and guide me through life, unlike my father who was just a F boy, that is now alone and deadbeat. I was mad and coping in an unhealthy way from an old friendship breaking down, and I end up bumping into this cult mindset of 'Women must submit to men,no matter what'.Thankfully, I eventually understand that life isn't A or B, red or blue, or anything like it. Do I agree with some of the aspects nowadays?, yeah, but I dont go for the radicalism of 'Men>Women', I attempt to aim for to be equals. Also, If it makes you feel better everyone. I cringe when I think about that year and a half, I wasted on the whole red pill vs blue pill idiocy.

[@sloppyjoebreadbowl5184]

Congratulations man. It’s genuinely a huge accomplishment being able to self reflect and grow. I hope the best for you in your life and struggles ✌️

[@MarvinHartmann452]

Everything isn't black or white. Also, it's on an individual scale, but you can't put an entire group of people together and assume they're all the same, that's why some of the ideologies clash with what I am. I do believe that certain people want to dominate no matter what, but it's not an entire group. Everyone who happens to be born and share the same characteristics are obviously not the same.

[@bohrora2293]

Your mother choosing your father as you describe him what does that tell about her? You gotta be specific and aware of the cause about your father’s situation and your mothers to come up with such conclusions. Kids are rarely aware of their parent’s relationship. “Women must submit to men” is half the truth….its for the purpose so that everyone can benefit at large. Its undeniable the correlation of the woman’s weaponization and the existence of many things in life we all consider detrimental to all.

[@TheMorhaGroup]

Claiming men are equal is also, a red pill blue pill, mindset, why you may ask, this is because you have created a false dichotomy (just like the 2 pills) whereas men and women must be equal or unequal, when we know all humans as individuals are unequal to any other human individuals on a 1-1 basis, so the group of men can never be equal to the group of women, if the group of men is not even equal to itself

[@hb89397]

​@@bohrora2293 detrimental things like what? I wanna know your opinion if possible.

[@MrFringehead]

Thank you for this insightful commentary that really isolated a trend that has steadily grown more concerning. I've personally watched in frustration as a particularly brilliant person fell down this rabbit hole and started saying some frankly disgraceful things as a result. Whatever the subject, some "smart guy" can overturn the careful work of thousands of more qualified individuals. In this mirror world, a single amateur can effortlessly overturn the consensus because "there's always more to learn" and "we really don't know anything." As an admittedly highly self-centered and eccentric introvert, the callous disregard some people have acquired toward the network effects that make civilization so successful frightens me to the core.

[@KyleCox404]

If you think that, you should listen to Jordan Peterson, he is an expert on talking a lot and saying nothing.

[@KyleCox404]

If you think that, you should listen to Jordan Peterson, he is an expert on talking a lot and saying nothing.

[@richardbuckharris189]

"'Rugged individualism' has meant all the 'individualism' for the masters, while the people are regimented into a slave caste to serve a handful of self-seeking 'supermen.' America is perhaps the best representative of this kind of individualism, in whose name political tyranny and social oppression are defended and held up as virtues; while every aspiration and attempt of man to gain freedom and social opportunity to live is denounced as 'un-American' and evil in the name of that same individuality." ~ Emma Goldman

[@linuswang6572]

Yeah. Communism is so preferable.

[@TGP109]

Goldman was a socialist, what do you expect her to say? The Left has always tried to use our freedoms to take away other people's freedoms-just look at how socialists and communists the world over have spoken and then acted when in power.

[@nebulaone908]

​@@linuswang6572Moron. Go live in Cuba, then.

[@linuswang6572]

@@nebulaone908 The worst form of stupidity is when you're so stupid that you don't even get how stupid you are. Like, it never dawned on you at all.

[@draw4everyone]

It is an escape from freedom. Everything is determined, so don't be free: submit. Don't craft yourself, comply with "evolution." Don't be free, become a slave - it is your masculine destiny.

[@Bensalami69]

Every red pilled man I know has deep trauma & a failed personal life they are trying to justify by blaming others. When I was an impressionable teen I almost fell down that hole - thank god for people willing to help me stay focused on reality

[@bluestorm9651]

That is what feminism does? Blames other people for their problems.

[@gasdajuice3918]

Beta

[@elgrek0249]

And who caused the trauma? Usually a woman

[@bluestorm9651]

@@elgrek0249 Many times that woman is yet another single mommy. 😔

[@Bensalami69]

@@EKSUCKNOGSTEEDS I’m sorry to hear about your abuse. If you haven’t sought counseling I would highly suggest this as it might help you unravel & learn more things about yourself. Take it easy friend

[@cauliflowerhead2735]

I feel like red pill men are each other's worst enemies. They are collectively holding each other back.

[@gem5569]

makes sense since the patriarchy in general harms more men than it helps

[@garba1984]

How so? Most red pills advocate for "go to the gym / focus on your career / stop masturbating and playing video games all the time". How promoting a "Diy" doctrine can hold back?

[@big_red_machine3547]

“Holding each other back” from what exactly? The truth? That they face certain failure in a gynocentric-female first primary social order society now?

[@remiremiremi1936]

@@big_red_machine3547 from feeling good about themselves i think, they love to talk about other men how chad, soy or whatever they are. labels that they use to callout other guys are toxic toward they own self esteem

[@kishinasura1504]

@@big_red_machine3547 there is no such thing as gynocentrism. Just like with patriarchy, as it dissappeared centuries, if not even millenia ago.

[@karenabrams8986]

No fault divorce has challenged our cultural attitude about relationships. If you need the state or a religious institution to coerce someone into a marriage, you were never worthy of the relationship. It takes more than a hot body and some cool stuff to get someone to do 60 years with you.

[@RextheRebel]

And no fault divorce is a plague that was brought into our society. So why not fight against it? Oh, because it benefits you. That's why.

[@Michael-yi4mc]

Another law that originated from the Medieval era.

[@karenabrams8986]

@@Michael-yi4mc which law? Marriage or divorce?

[@Michael-yi4mc]

@@karenabrams8986 👍Probably both.

[@karenabrams8986]

@@Michael-yi4mc this marriage trap crap is described in the myth mess Bible too. After Exodus, I can’t remember where exactly, Moses was dictating divorce law. Later in Matthew 19, Jesus was telling ppl: NO DIVORCES, it’s better not to marry at all and to make yourselves into eunuchs for heaven. I think this marriage and family law nightmare is from the Bronze Age. Looks like Jesus tried to warn ppl. 😂

[@Feline-philosopher]

I graduated with a masters in sociology ten years ago. And then i worked ten years in a clinical setting within mental healthcare, where i at some points almost became convinced that i had wasted my time at university. I am slowly coming out of that mental state thank God, and this video, as well as many others in the series, is like light at the end of that tunnel.

[@Hachizukatenzo]

Education is never a waste of time from my opinion.

[@Feline-philosopher]

@@Hachizukatenzo no it really isnt :-)

[@ajarofmayonnaise3250]

Is sociology shit choice?

[@pascal5238]

@@ajarofmayonnaise3250 sociology graduate here: yes if job security is important to you, no if you want to have a better grasp of how society works.

[@ajarofmayonnaise3250]

@@pascal5238 I see, thank u.

[@bradleykoperski7198]

Funny how the manospheere red pill types are probably even deeper in the 'matrix' than other people.

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@johnmanpls5577]

@@linuswang6572the mainstream is capitalism, patriarchy and corporatism. It isn’t women, lgbt people, non fault divorce or POC.

[@KyleCox404]

Great argument, this Tate fans are so dumb.

[@seemeno1]

@@johnmanpls5577 lmao. im sure you actually believe that. why does the federal reserve force corporations to advertise as LGBT friendly? it isnt more profitable.... its literally an entirely different agenda other than greed and profit.

[@noah8236]

@@linuswang6572 Hm. I see. Do you have any source for that? As someone who does not participate in said red pill structures, I can't know any of that. I can only rely on anecdotal references of people in comment section I've seen, which of course might not be representative at all. But not seldomly i've seen people who refered to the red pill in a statement which also contained references or content I'd sort into the manosphere and/or usually making statements about an alleged female nature. So maybe you can clear that up for me. Thank you in advance.

[@suzannecarter445]

The longer I live (I'm 70), the more I realize just how valid Hegel's dialectic was/is/will be. Thesis (feminism movement) leads to antithesis (world's reaction to extremist feminism) to synthesis (eventually everything settles down, not to peace and progressive change, but at least to something more reasonable.) The same, of course, applies to "social justice fundamentalism" aka "wokeism" which is getting a very negative reaction from just about everybody, left and right, that will eventually settle down into a grudging compromise. Unfortunately, we don't ever seem to end up with the long-awaited ideal "omega point" Hegel predicted, a point when all contradictions are resolved.( Apologies for being long-winded.)

[@nektariosorfanoudakis2270]

I don't think the antithesis is reaction to "extremist" feminism, it's reaction to Feminism itself. (And Hegel is a lot more complicated than thesis-antithesis-synthesis, he talks about negations and negations of negations for example). Still, one could say that anti-Feminists have their own thesis "Feminists has emasculated men and they're the reason you're lonely", which can have its own antithesis; it's not so clear where all of this starts, the origin, maybe the thesis is the Patriarchy and the antithesis is Feminism, or maybe the thesis was Bronze Age societies and Patriarchy rose as a very long term antithesis to it, which makes Feminism, i.e. gender equity, the real Synthesis, note in that case how the dialectical "origin" is like the dialectical "end". Could read on the Master-Slave dialectic, always a good idea when studying Hegel as applies to social hierarchy issues I guess.

[@tetsuoshiva]

Maybe an uncensored and unbiased AI will bring answers, as it is currently there's way too much involved interest in not hearing about these issues. Funny thing is that attempts to hide these issues will ultimately implode society.

[@RobespierreThePoof]

Ah yes. Hegel's dialectic. It's funny how it seems to always find a new application. For me (and I'm biased as a historian), it applies best to certain historical processes, particularly the ones in which there's a conflict between two or more interest groups. I'm not of the camp that thinks Hegel is the ubermensch, however. (Ha!). But for the culture wars, yes, it seems to work. The only problem bring that we don't yet know what the final outcome will be when the culture wars have faded away in favor of new conflicts. Personally, i thought we were at the end of the culture wars in the last decade. Everything in the Trump' political movement represented, to me, a last hurrah of cultural conservativism in America. The irrationality, conspiratorial, rabid anger and petulance of it all still strikes me as the political movement of a dying cause. But i could be wrong. Either way, there will be a recalibration on the political left. At some point left-wing culture warriors will have to contend with some contradictions in their political rhetoric and certain criticisms that have at least some validity, even though they're often buried under a lot of irrational bile. For example: How will we know when feminism has achieved it's goals of maximum equality? Women are half the population. They have the oldest social justice cause of them all (excluding, perhaps, the working classes). They are the only case where' it actually is possible that the power hierarchy could flip upside-down instead of achieving gender equity, if only because they are NOT a minority group and they are fairly essential to countries social structures How do we contend with the role that biology DOES play in identities of various kinds (as science returns in this direction with epigenetics, für example) it turns out, low and behold, that nature is a significant factor alongside nature, after all. Just not in the ways we used to think. Is total equality really achievable in a society with class disparities? Is a classless society a pragmatic goal? Or is it an impossible utopia? Given that religion seems to be hard-wired into human nature, what alternatives do we have to offer those seeking spiritual fulfillment, a sense of purpose, hope, community and emotional relief? I could go on. I suspect these are the questions that will be asked and answered at the true end of the culture wars. Hopefully soon in my lifetime.

[@suzannecarter445]

@@RobespierreThePoof Thank you for your comment; it's one of the best I've ever received, really covers the territory and is well-reasoned.

[@showtimeclyde]

That omega point will come within the next two epochs.

[@susannunes6196]

I am a woman but I learned about men and women partially from how I grew up but also from studying history in college. BUT as a typical boomer I was also protected quite heavily Some things I recognized when older but some I didn't ....even about myself. I grew up on a comparatively small island and I wanted to learn more about others islands but I wasn't really prepared Today in the US reminds me of Hitler's Germany. The internet has made propaganda even easier for opinions to separate dramatically. Truth is harder and harder to locate. One thing I will say is all five of us were spoiled children but affection came from our mother and we got to know our father by working for him during income tax season....He seemed to keep us at arms length. I think now it was he had 4 girls before his only son. Or he was too busy. I will never know. We still loved them both. Sometimes I wish my father had talked to me...especially in my teen years. Those are the years when major learning about life seems to take place.

[@KamalasNotLikeUs]

“Truth is harder and harder to locate.” Never! The only truth lies within.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

My own grandfather was in "Hitler Germany" and from what I've been told, as well as what I've seen myself, growing up in the part of Germany that was called DDR, or Eastern Germany, I can assure you that it has nothing to do with it. It's not because people who have opposed views have *not always but sometimes* access to freedom of speech, that suddenly, it's "Hitler Germany" you cannot always silence opposite views. If so, freedom of speech would be abolished.

[@S41GON]

Today's USA is much more closer to maoist China with its cancel culture and cultural revolution than Hitler's Germany.

[@brijmsn]

I agree, having two boomer parents, "protected" is the perfect word to use. My mom never had to confront racial tensions like we do today, my dad could easily get a job on Capitol Hill with any degree he wanted. Back in those days you never had to think about sexism or inequality unless you were in an extremely distressing situation personally. You didnt have to hear about it all the time and if your life was good you could just mind your business and be left alone. I do envy that bubble boomers lived in blissfully unaware of how fragile things are, today we know all too well.

[@sploshbook5349]

Fantastic video. There needs to be more normal, not violently angry men talking about masculinity and authenticity.

[@sploshbook5349]

@@stephd.9091 it is indeed a wonderful space!

[@expectancysource3046]

I highly recommend Dry Creek Wrangler School. It's a fantastic channel for men in my opinion. Not like Andrew Tate or something. It's super chill, self-reflective, natural and passionate.

[@michaellamont2605]

This dude and Rollo Tomassi need to have a convo

[@vira1340]

This guy wants to tell people "how to respond to the manosphere" by essentially using a strawman argument that red pilled people "believe in conspiracies" and "the natural order of things". He also refers to misogyny so we now know where exactly he is coming from. The reality is that being redpilled is involves taking the axe of rationality, critical thinking and science to all narratives whether they are religion or feminism. Actually the manosphere does exactly what he asks - take knowledge from a wide variety of sources and apply it to the assertions of feminism and usually find them baloney. Don't let his soft spoken pseudo intellectualism fool you. This guy is marinated in feminist narrative. He is trying to gaslight you.

[@esbenm6544]

@@michaellamont2605 🤡

[@MrJfulbright]

Gadamer addresses this problem of self and other by describing the nature of "understanding" as "dialogue", the hermeneutical circle or dialectic between self and other, part and whole. The self is constructed through dialogue, and necessitates openness to new experience and a sense of historical situatedness. His philosophy has become the foundation for the humanities and the interpretive social sciences.

[@Feline-philosopher]

Bakhtin has an interesting take on dialogue too. "Open dialogue" is used in mental health services in northern Finland, with demonstrable effect and as an alternative to commiting patients to medical treatment.

[@draw4everyone]

This is already in Plato's dialogues

[@howlrichard1028]

What does "sense of historical situatedness" mean?

[@recklssabndon]

All this talk about Hegel reminds me of that meme: “Awful day. I had two volumes of Hegel’s collective work in my car, then somebody broke in and left two more”

[@VayaKahvi]

I really enjoy the analysis of a cultural movement through the lens of long trodden philosophy and pointing out these ideas aren't new, they just have new names and how they interrelate to other ideas.

[@teaCupkk]

What analysis? What is this mysterious dogma that Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate share?

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@bryck7853]

@@linuswang6572 Post this on the top

[@Grievance_Studies_Affair_2018]

@@linuswang6572 That's an interesting post dude, I'll have a closer look at the Italian school. I already know Pareto, but not the other two. I'm just surprised by what you said at the end... Leftists are being cast out? Aren't Neo-Marxists leftists? Because those are definitely not being cast out of the mainstream, rather the opposite is happening (entryism). The whole "New Discourses" podcast is more or less dedicated to that topic.

[@totonow6955]

Going on a Then & Now binge- no way around it. Well done and thank you.

[@Tavat]

Every video is very good.

[@geekmeee]

And well written.

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@tohigherhighs]

Same here, we are truly spoiled

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

The way I see it is thus: whenever a demographic emerges that is seen as vulnerable, impressionable and growing in size, there are individuals and businesses who see an opportunity to cash in on those vulnerabilities. Think of the elderly who are preyed upon by the pharmaceutical industry ("buy our pills, live longer - the actual quality of your life doesn't matter!) or the overweight who are told to ignore their life-threatening conditions to embrace "body positivity" because it helps certain brands sell their plus-size clothing. Now we are in a stage where single, lonely males represent a rapidly growing demographic to be exploited for the same purposes. There is money and fame to be found by pretending to help them with easy solutions and easy scapegoats. It's easier to blame women and feminism than to have a profound thinking process about the evolution of society and the need to reform laws and institutions.

[@drjp4212]

Evolution of society, reforming laws and institutions is pretty far from our owns reaches...red pill pill focus, instead, on what the individual is able to do, based on evolutionary psychology, biology and sociological analysis. I agree with the video about "there's no reality out of matrix", because life itself is a matrix, our brains are matrix creators, and we cannot produce any sense from this world without any external/societal value, like a motherboard bios. Nonetheless, the red pills warns about behaviors that is probably going to hurt you, so self investment and avoiding relationships with evidences of toxic interpersonal dynamics is simply a very needed tool to survive in the modern world.

[@auxiliusm]

Onwards from 34:56 almost feels like an addendum to the video itself, yet it is crucial in order to humanize the issue, gleaming a ray of sympathy from a dark and barren place. The "red pill" is a concept of dark cynicism, constructing a picture of the world, telling the believer that they have been left behind. People which feel forced to swallow it, don't feel privileged, quite the opposite. The only solace they get from this matrix of beliefs is the raw acceptance that their situation sucks, and maybe they can empower themselves to change that. I don't want to be too reductive, but I would take a gander and say the core issue is companionship and finding a significant other. This is where most of the grief and anxiety (especially for young men) lies. The rest feel superfluous, like rippling externalities which might or might not manifest themselves. Egotism and narcissism fester in the face of social abandonment.

[@captainprivate3768]

I think without relationships in which you get to exercise your genuine self to a degree you basically are just left with your performative job role and notions of status in a world that gives no care for you. This maybe doesn't have to necessitate a significant-other, you could have a male or mixed friend group where there is no need to keep up a false pretense of absolute resilience... But some people don't even have this. I don't think it's difficult to imagine how disillusioned you could become if your reality (whilst being real and having real function in society) is decidedly lacking in reality in the way it functions and how it deals with the outside world. There's nothing to ground you. Not only is there no buffer between you and the pointlessness of things, but you also feel like you're the only one noticing it. There's no reason to stomach the absurdities of life. You don't get to go through your soul-crushing work day knowing you're doing it to maintain a lifestyle outside of it that is worth preserving. I don't know where I'm going with this, I'm a bit drunk. I can't relate to people who don't on some level appreciate that this environment is weird and kinda artificial. What was once lush and green is now seemingly unending rows of roads and corporate logos. Everywhere you turn someone wants your money or to have you do their bidding... It's nauseating.

[@WilfridCyrus]

This video really helped me form an argument to present at a book club I do for my job. The CEO makes us read hyper masculine self help books and then meet as a group to discuss them. I will be using this train of thought to critique the book.

[@alleygh0st]

wish I could work for someone who's not a pansy

[@satya3290]

brilliant response @Wilfred Cyrus, wish you the best

[@carolyntalbot947]

​@alleygh0st If you can't find a misogynistic malignant narcissist to work for, you aren't even trying.

[@esbenm6544]

@@alleygh0st Don't become self-employed then

[@Tavat]

@@alleygh0st You’re looking for a daddy figure because yours was inadequate.

[@Kaltag2278]

I always wondered why they can't put any of the energy into issues men actually face. Like the shocking un-aliving rate maybe? Or drugs? Domestic and one on one violence? There are plenty of real issues to pick from.

[@radioactivedetective6876]

If I can venture a guess it'd be that mayhaps they can't or do not want to accept vulnerability

[@Kaltag2278]

@@radioactivedetective6876 I am inclined to agree.

[@musicdev]

Well, you don’t get paid a shitload of money to tell people the truth, because the truth is boring. The amount of money I could make by being a far right grifter though? Way more than I currently make

[@Kaltag2278]

@@musicdev that is the unfortunate truth.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

They think men are killing themselves because women are oppressing them.

[@suzannecarter445]

My takeaway from Fichte was that we create our own worlds via the only two things we control, i.e., what we pay attention to and how we respond to our experience. I started repeating this slimmed down version to myself every day and find it quite helpful in life - I try to make wise choices concerning these two crucial powers.

[@TheMorhaGroup]

So that is the one thing we control, cogito, the "I" that thinks, the I that imposes will to pay attention, the I that must impose will to control the bodies responses to external stimuli.

[@silentbob5566]

"we create our own worlds via the only two things we control, i.e., what we pay attention to and how we respond to our experience. " - well. Such a take can be interpreted as the essence of red pill.

[@mikexhotmail]

Aka Buddhism

[@lucvanvliet879]

Incredible video! I really appreciate how nuanced your work is and how well you tie it to larger issues. Cheers.

[@benjaminbeard3736]

You are spit on about empathy not just being an emotional tool. You can gain some serious perspective and genuinely novel ways of thinking when attempting to see as someone else.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

The thing is the redpill guys in many cases are upset because they have not received empathy themselves, or at least they feel that way, and their way of lashing out is by not giving it to others. Essentially they become the thing that they hate in their minds.

[@sammyvictors2603]

I often heard that reading books and stories can help you gain insight, empathy, and a new perspective. I guess being a bookworm in school has its benefits after all.

[@benjaminbeard3736]

@@sammyvictors2603 I'm glad that worked for you. For some reason I don't retain things I read. Audio books have changed my life though. I really can't overstate the impact they have had on me.

[@treeforged9097]

There needs to be an acknowledgement that you can think that you are being empathetic but in reality you are just projecting your self on other people. A lot of left wing people think they have empathy for other people but in reality they are not acknowledging there own mental inability to do that. You do not know what the other person knows, you do not know what the other person experiences and you do not know how another person responses to situations. Because of this, empathy is an inferior way of dealing with people then just listening to them and acknowledging they might know something about the world that you don't. Because left wing people don't typically do that, they come across as arrogant and unable to look at other perspectives. That is why there is so much hate for woke people from redpillers.

[@benjaminbeard3736]

@@treeforged9097 I think I'm capable of doing both, listening and making an effort to see what they see. You are correct I don't know what they know. There in lies the reason to try. Just putting what I think in their place isn't really empathy. I may be wrong, but I dont know for sure. So I will continue to try and see the world from as many points of view as I can. Even if it is still just my point of view.

[@stinkendersahnebacardi3677]

Been waiting for a new video from you. Thanks for making real content with actual meaning.

[@slowpainful]

I always enjoy informative channels, most often as a kind of infotainment. This is the first time I've felt I'm being educated at a deeper level. These pieces are stepping stones rather than self-contained. I feel motivated to further reading and exploration. Thank you so much.

[@leprechaunalley7207]

I love that you said that conspiracy theories are small in scope. Concise and easy to understand. Gosh, my red pill moment was realizing that we’re all connected. Anything less than that realization puts us square in the matrix. The outcome of ‘Truth’ isn’t going to result in the oppression of someone else.

[@kristofkiekens902]

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

[@Firithfenion]

"history is a set of lies, that people have agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte

[@hunni2968]

What I find to be most interesting about their entire framework for understanding the world being so influenced by the concept of the “matrix” which for them seems to invoke a question of “external world skepticism” is if they have ever questioned whether Morpheus has the ability to/has ever lied. If you are going to be skeptical of the external world you must STILL commit to skepticism by having a way of distinguishing fact from fiction like everyone else. Otherwise you have not created any uniquely new and different framework for dissenting opinions but instead regress into appealing to more of the same old standard concepts except this time YOU get to be the exception to these standards not change them. *Because Living in a world where you can swap personal responsibility for the matrix you get to infinitely be the victim while having infinite privileged immunity from victimizing others.*

[@eaauto6182]

Truly red pill people are even skeptical of other red pillers. One of the main points is that you should use critical thinking

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Paul Elam once said "There are no victims, only volunteers". Shows you how much "red pillers" are for giving up agency XD Tbf I'd say this is a bit harsh and there are many situations where a person is indeed a victim

[@richardbuckharris189]

"The individual is the true reality of life. A cosmos in himself, he does not exist for the State, nor for that abstraction called "society," or the "nation," which is only a collection of individuals." ~ Emma Goldman

[@teugene5850]

As a high school teacher I have directly seen these issues play out in front of me... starting around 2011 or so I began hearing 14 and 15 year olds joking about "communism" and "feminism"... These students are now young men....

[@dexorne9753]

Communism is based though, communists and early generation feminists share a lot of history. They helped kickstart a wave of the emancipation of women.

[@amulyamishra5745]

Good! Finally they are in a position to do something and crush your lot.

[@teugene5850]

@@amulyamishra5745 come get me son. I'm waiting.

[@cl0udstr1fe]

@@amulyamishra5745 fart noise

[@astk5214]

​ @T Eugene (w)*here you live?

[@stevetiger73]

Great video - I love how Peterson and RP and Tate and Turmp etc all sort of combine. I'd add in populism as well.

[@freyashipley6556]

Thank you for this fantastic analysis! I had no idea that red pill culture was rooted in Romanticism. That relentless individuality is such a powerful strand of American culture, even as it denies the agency of other humans (not to mention the rest of the natural world).

[@Godsen5]

Every modern conservatism is rooted in Romanticism. Not because Romanticism was inherently conservative in itself, but because it surely was the host of a general cultural reaction to the progressims of Enligthenment. Authenticity, rootedness in nature, tradition, some form of spirituality, identitarianism concerning human belonging opposed to universalism, were all conceived in the forms that sprawled along the last two centuries as forms of conservatism. In general, the point is that Enlightenment's progressism is deeply tied to capitalist theodicy (and theology of the market), and Romanticism was a reaction expressively to that: scientism, technologism, market liberalism, etc.

[@Damesanglante]

Bruh, if you want to fish online, change your account name. Come on. 🤣🤣🤣

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@linuswang6572]

@@thotslayer9914 Well, you're wrong. The red pill has nothing to do with hateful 28 year old virgins. It's a smear.

[@brianmeen2158]

@@linuswang6572 yeah red pill and mgtow are very different and most often are at adds with each other .. the incel movement is black pill which is also very different from red pill. I find the entire “red pill” discussion is so warped at this point that it’s hard to talk about

[@Priinsu]

Is it just me or does it seem like he said ALOT without saying anything at all really? What am I supposed to take from this video exactly? You didn't actually disprove anything in the redpill.The redpill explains Alot of realworld things pretty damn accurately as far as I can see.

[@jesusisunstoppable4438]

Agreed. Read the comments, brain dead sheep praising a brain dead video.

[@bro918]

a lot of these so called philosophy channels are like that

[@jesusisunstoppable4438]

@@bro918 True and when you look through the videos, they are all pro commie, facist, etc etc

[@somebloke5565]

Yes, I was waiting for one simple example of what RP gets wrong.

[@QuintessentialQs]

When are you gonna get onto Nebula? Your work is of the highest quality, and you've quickly become my favorite philosophy YT channel!

[@eq2092]

The question to ask is why so many men are disaffected enough to seek out and believe this stuff?

[@ScoredMGTOW]

Orwellian double speaks. They aren't disaffected and disenfranchised. They are oppressed.

[@eq2092]

@@ScoredMGTOW white men are oppressed in the west? By who?

[@ScoredMGTOW]

​@@eq2092 First of all, you framed the question in a stupid way. I'm talking about men in general. Second, white is not a single entity that works for benefits of it's whole. Interests among white can clash and some will lose. Third, white or black or hispanic and so on are meaningless distinctions. They are social constructs that no longer have basis in reality. We no longer have apartheid state, so stop making distinctions between white and blacks. Finally the meat of the response is: Men are indeed disadvantaged (systemically and not of their own volition) in the following sectors: health care, education, military service, domestic violence, sexual assault, justice system, employment and workplace, divorce and custody and child support and alimony, and media representation. You know that, and yet you choose ignorance. Hurting men is paid for in ways we don't see. That's the biggest issue. You would never know what we've lost. Citizens would be much richer, happier, cohesive, safer, and cared for if they addressed the harm befalling their sons, fathers, and brothers and other men. Watch this to get an idea where the anger among them might come from: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmnWkn2KrZJjqMU

[@LeetMath]

i get the impression philosophy students are kind of bad at explaining ideas using normal words. mathematicians usually seem to be self conscious about their jargon

[@etakarinae248]

True! (I am a mathematician *cough*) 😎

[@raynorwinclair]

So... what _does_ "the Red Pill" get wrong? All I'm hearing is that you don't agree with certain philosophies ("ideologies") and certain people, but what does that have to do with the actual fundamental observations which are the basis for that movement you clearly despise? Talking about ideas in a dismissive way doesn't disprove them - at least to a somewhat intelligent audience. Simply pointing to Hegel doesn't really help, either. You don't have to like the "Manosphere", but as one of your references says: reality exists independent of your personal belief - that includes human nature, and thus the dynamics between men and women. To take the red pill, in this context, simply means to observe and acknowledge the rules that govern male and female behaviour, disregarding current day politics and ideologies. Disagreeing with your biology doesn't free you from its effects.

[@Gary-zq3pz]

The question is..do you want to be controlled, or do you want to own your own life? Being controlled is easy, the alternative can be very difficult. But it's worth it.

[@brunoqnzbk7891]

Thanks for explaining the entire point of true feminism.

[@flameplasmainian85724]

In a nutshell it’s just someone blindly telling you everything you say and think is correct. Never challenging the beliefs. That’s what leads to more suffering

[@Nice_Fella]

It seems as though the Individualistic Red-Pill philosophy which rejects empathy & understanding for others and focusses on intrinsic knowledge, could be a sociological reaction to Online culture; where there is an overwhelming (and some would say highly unnatural) amount of accessibility to the millions of experiences and viewpoints that can be hard to comprehend and empathise with (especially for young, emerging minds). Social media certainly focusses on frictional interpersonal experiences to generate engagement, so to even try to understand & empathise with people behind so many viewpoints could undoubtedly leave many people with empathy fatigue. Add to that that a media driven of Self, whereby everyone imagines themselves to be the righteous and virtuous hero & main character, any & all conflict and behaviour is justified from such a position. There's a need to display this character publicly (performance) or else the sense of self crumbles; without demonstrating these characteristics through conflict, are you really the noble & rightous hero fighting against the unjust extrinsic world? Where any challenge to this character (valid criticism, calls for responsibility for ones own behaviour) similarly collapses the ego - as the ego is (ironically) based in the perception of the self from others (extrinsic). Is it any wonder that a philosophy that disregards extrinsic values and empathy has caught wind of the oversaturated & unsatisfied self-interested individuals?

[@alekbane6048]

''Red-Pill philosophy which rejects empathy & understanding for others'' - oh reaaaaallly? You know one of the main reason why people became RED PILLED is a lack of empaty from others when it desperately needed. And then if you not OFF your self, google men's suicide rates, you became RED PILLED...

[@alekbane6048]

And then society blame the ones, that was left behind damnd and forgotten stabbed in the back after hard work and sacrifices in luck of emphaty? WOW... Just WOW...

[@drjp4212]

I couldn't manage to understand how the red pills rejects empathy...as long as I know, it only says about both masculine and feminine perspectives value and how to deal with it. Biology isn't it all, but cannot be disregarded, as social dynamics emerge directly from it (otherwise, there would be societies with no hierarchy, which is, still, an utopia).

[@Nice_Fella]

​@@drjp4212 Redpill ideology rigid and does not have space for empathetic acceptance of those outside of the ideology. Taking the Redpill biology route (as you mentioned) towards gender roles, "women are carriers" "men are warriors, hunter gatherers" "thats simple biology" "therefore women should stay at home, whilst men provide" etc (im not saying you've said these things, but rather these are common redpill community arguments along biological lines). But this discounts the lived experiences of millions of women who thrive in business environments, sports, entertainment, medicine, who are successful in their fields. It also denigrates any man who doesn't fit into traditional gender roles, who live happy lives as caregivers for example. Also down the Redpill 'biology' route is the belief that women are only attracted to rich athletic men with "alpha" characteristics, again discounting the lived experiences of millions of couples who don't fit into that redpill biological understanding of attraction. Which isn't to say there isn't any truth to these ideas - they work for some people, some people do suit particular societal roles, some people are attracted to traditional hypermasculine traits and behaviours, you can certainly pursue those - but that isn't the sum total of human experience nor what society has to offer people who don't fall into these structured archetypes. The Redpill ideology itself is underpinned by a lack of empathy & appreciation towards those outside of its own defined & structured beliefs, and that lack of empathy & appreciation often manifests itself in its toxic online culture. What I say though, is that alot of this is understandable as a sociological reaction to 24/7 bombardment of digital & social media culture, a warped mirror world of reality that hyperfixates (through algorithmically fed repetition) on viewpoints and ideologies that cause personal friction, with the aim of driving engagement. After you've seen thousands of people behaving aggressively or egregiously, there can be less empathy to understand why their behaviour is toxic in the first place, this lack of empathy is replaced with frictional interaction, driving engagement, escalating arguments, and reinforcing toxic belief systems through negative experiences. So across the past 10 years, we see a rise in Redpill ideologies, where empathy for the "other" is limited. Perhaps it is no surprise why.

[@tfkdandsvkc]

​@@alekbane6048 males are not victims you are highly favoured and get more opportunities and.jobs in society.

[@niallgaafar]

Some non western philosophy would add to this discussion.

[@clockworkcookie]

You are one of my favorite channels, keep going

[@ThenNow]

Thank you!

[@ramushsteinuts9318]

@@ThenNow do you do your job all by yourself?

[@tdackjordan5873]

​@@ThenNow the advice the RP and manosphere gives men and woman is we reach are primes differentley When a virgin woman between the ages 18 to 23 she is in her prime dating value she is being flaught around, going on yachts with millionaire and that is the best time for her to land the best guy she can get while a guy living in his mom basement or working in a a entereal job like at McDonald's or something ain't no chick looking his way Problem is when woman wait of their marriage and persue degree, education they end up hitting the wall and can no longer be able to pull the quality men that they want and end up dying alone or having to "settle" basically date a guy who is on their level or lower but most woman would rather dye than date a man who is broke like a guy would rather dye before marrying a woman who has been around and is a garden tool When a man increase his wealth, education and in his 30s he is in his prime the tables have turned and can date and have majority of the options

[@leovoghera6174]

Are we pretending that only red pilled people are self absorbed and refuse to listen empathetically to other peoples views. Have you ever spoken about politics to anyone? Everyone is like that not just red pilled people.

[@Pistolita221]

Indeed, I'm pretty far left but it's embarrassing to say that because of how so many leftists behave... not that conservatives are any better, and centrists are usually very evasive.

[@leovoghera6174]

@@Pistolita221 People are far too absolutist and confident with their ideas of how the world is and should be, especially considering the people who make their politics their identity are usually in their teens or early 20s and only get whatever their ideology is fed back to them over and over again by the algorithms. I used to be a social democrat activist in my country however with many interesting conversations my views shifted toward libertarianism as my confidence in what is right and wrong decreased and it never wouldve without having interesting discussions with people of different ideologies.

[@Pistolita221]

@Leo Voghera I thought about being libertarian for a while, I like the social policies. Economically, I come from a similar perspective, voluntary interaction/exchange, but imo less government involvement won't get us there, under the modern logistics system. The guy who owns the port controls the flow of goods, the rail companies have natural monopolies, same with utility providers. Captive markets don't lend themselves to voluntary interaction without serious government intervention, in my understanding.

[@leovoghera6174]

@@Pistolita221 I think the problem with the government having a monopoly on ports and railways and other logistics is that it doesnt really work with free exchange of goods a wealthy company or person could lobby the government to give them preferential treatment anyways. As i see it any negative effects of monopolies arent really cured by government ownership it just gives more power to greedy individuals and props up their power even more more. The government doesnt necesserily act in the interest of the people either, ofc its founded on good ideals and many within it definetly want to do good but its not one unit and many working within will sieze the oppertunity to be greedy and corrupt and expand their own power and pockets just like any nefarious company chiefs would.

[@bo9176]

Extremely well structured and informative video, everytime I watch something of yours I always have the feeling that I understand any scientific and philosophic dsicussion/debate about subjects better. Your content really helps me to comprehend wider ideas about structures etc. Thank you!

[@silentbob5566]

I feel depressed when I'm reading comments like yours, about how deep is the intellectual shithole that the West has dug itself into. Why don't you google scientific studies often put forward by red pill rather than rely on lies of this "author". Alexander Grace is a practicing researcher of psychology and he has much good stuff on the topic.

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Idk I don't think you can sum up the whole giant group of different communities with different ideals into a ~40 minute video. And feminism winning needs not a conspiracy to win - ideology that tugs on our weaknesses can win out.

[@olympussus5811]

As a teenager (I'm 17 btw) , I used to watch these kinds of videos. Unfortunately, they had a negative impact on me, making me feel lonely,more depressed and toxic towards everyone, including myself. Looking back, I now realize that I wasted a significant amount of time engaging with this harmful content known as the "red pill" ideology. I think I have come to the realization that redpill influencers often target insecure young adults or those struggling with their identity. Recognizing this, I have made the decision to distance myself from the redpill ideology and instead focus on embracing and forgiving myself.

[@OrinSorinson]

I'm at a low point in my life. Thirty something years old, crashed out of a 5 year relationship, moved back home with parents in a small town where I don't know anyone anymore, working remotely without any real social interaction. I'd be the perfect candidate for this red pill bull. But man, do I hate authority and ultra rich people and the myth of meritocracy. I think this red pill thing wouldn't be half the thing it is if people knew how truly depraved, cruel and unfair the world can really be. How ultra wealt is destroying life, ecosystems, draining resources, decimating the people's political power, taking away rights and social safety, instigating genocides and wars around the world, the ever jncreasing wealth inequality, poverty and suffering... these are real issues. But, no. It's always the poor, the marginalized and the vulnerable who are at fault for all the ills of the world. Blame trans people, women, immigrants, ethnic minorities, etc. How original and insightful and wise.

[@Raubers]

I don't always agree with your videos, but as someone who is engaged in timeless ideals as a student of history and theology, there is nothing new under the sun. It's just reframed into the context of the period. That was an interesting watch. While I haven't been exposed directly to the movement surrounding these disenchanted men, as someone whose marriage was lost by the choices of my ex-wife, and influenced in part by some of the subjects discussed here, it is hard not to fall into that sense of resentment. Importantly, empathy is a product of consideration of different world views as you stated, and without empathy, what does that say about us?

[@msaad8053]

It's still bs cuz you chose to marry your wife , she did not force you and all the government siding with women after divorce , you should have known better

[@rexremedy1733]

Resentment is understandable, isn’t it? Now what you make of it, if you make something positive and productive out of it, that’s in your hands. Feeling resentment however, in face of an injustice is an inevitability.

[@bryck7853]

@@rexremedy1733 I considered RP make younger men aware of being exposed to a sudden divorce - "we've got to talk & I've got to take half your assets and most of the time with kids, and when they are with me I will subtlety make sure they don't like you." . Times have changed, in the courtroom. This is a serious cultural change that Has Never Happened Before. So because of that, the pragmatic advice to men if they choose marriage, be aware of 'family law'. What is wrong with some education about what could go wrong? I mean we have school shooter drills for kids, but no heartbreak drills for them. ALL of which are much more likely to encounter heartbreak than terries, or tornadoes.

[@brijmsn]

You sound like you'll be red pilled in a few years if you stay on the internet. Theology mixed with resentment is a perfect pipeline to this way of thinking.

[@Miximinium]

Love your work brother. Stay critical, keep it up! 👊🏼

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@slinelol]

the whole time I was basically screaming into the void that those redpillers in their search for their one truth to grasp onto don't realize that everything is in flux and finally at minute 27 you start with hegel's dialectis. Thank you! edit: seeing that you made a video on spinoza in the past I wonder why you didn't brought him up as an answer to their soulsearching. well, maybe in the follow up. Glad to have found your channel

[@thefuturist8864]

I think that ‘red pill’ is simply one of many instances of a society obsessed with ‘authenticity’. There are a few reasons why this obsession has taken hold (such as how technology, in making life easier, has also alienated us from ways of life we had known for thousands of years), but it’s nevertheless the case that authenticity is the central animating idea at the heart of modern society; to be more accurate, the question ‘what does it mean to be authentic?’ is a problem for us and we come up with any number of potential answers, such as red pill, but also identarianism (insofar as focusing on a single aspect of our existence, such as skin colour, gender, physical/mental health etc implies the question of how to be (e.g.) ‘authentically black’ or ‘authentically female). Where red pill is concerned we find questions like ‘what is it to be authentically male?’ or ‘what is it to be authentically informed about the world or society?’. These are inevitable, I think, in a culture that has prioritised truth above all else; the ‘true’ is greater than the ‘false’, and modern culture has become politicised along these terms.

[@Caseyisforeverr]

I used to love someone who 1 for 1 matched with the red pill ideology and it almost got me. Unfortunately, the person who I loved cut all contacts and doesn't want to talk to me for even trying to convince them that all of this is dangerous. I guess the silver lining is that I'm not the only one who got out of this mentality. You all make life worth living.

[@amulyamishra5745]

Maybe he is happier now! This is not dangerous for him. This is dangerous for sluts.

[@iforget6940]

Me to bro me for a month just watched redpill ideology, and I broke out of it needed months to reset my brain but I now know why I fell for it but luckily it sowed me why I should study Philosophy instead.

[@Caseyisforeverr]

@@iforget6940 it's not easy, so I definitely commend you for that.

[@iforget6940]

@caseynotforever thanks bro much appreciated, and I'm happy for you to bro atleast we got over it.

[@KyleCox404]

If you think this is majority you are delusional. It it's a lot more dangerous then you think. A lot of these people are sexist, racist, trans/homo-phobes. Overly competitive, ill temred, virgins, and think that male domination is some evolutionary duty, trust me is not just "taking a responsibility" since if you accept red pill you are by definition not take responsibility beacos you become an idiot, who is dangerus.

[@Sorenzo]

Why do people assume that in hunter-gather societies, women want the most "physically intimidating" men? Who's being intimidated, here? The animals the guy is supposed to hunt? There wasn't exactly a state of daily warfare during the paleolithic... Isn't it more likely she'd be more concerned with whether he appreciates the fact that she spends all day gathering berries and looking after the kids for him?

[@Pistolita221]

I very much appreciate your desire to understand this. So manby people, on either side of the political spectrum just want to dunk on them, which doesn't do anything productive.

[@jerrodshack7610]

It's very productive. It entertains me.

[@hangukhiphop]

Wow, this took a really surprising angle I wasn't expecting! Instant hall-of-famer in my book

[@uncomplicatedi]

I've intuited the pure toxicity of public conmen like Toot and Peterboy but to have the roots and branches of their ideas laid out so clearly. So fantastic work as always I hope that promise to work more on this topic comes true.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

"I don't like someone therefore they toxic" Classic leftist take.

[@ReynaSingh]

Great channel. Keep it up

[@The_Unseen2106]

Never have I seen such a complex, verbose, well-developed, elaborate and eloquent application of the straw-man fallacy. He, despite citing the existence of an entire universe of different ideas, philosophies, movements and lifestyles within the manosphere, focuses his entire argument on the r/TRP subreddit, Andrew Tate and Dr Jordan Peterson (who is not even really a part of the manosphere, just a highly respected psychologist). It's like trying to present fruits as a whole as something unpalatable, then focusing on lemons, eggplants and cabbages.

[@noah8236]

Okay. You state that this video is basically a strawman. But what exactly makes it a strawman precisely? You see, for me as someone who does not have in depth knowledge about the red pill movement, it is not helpful if you tell us what it not or not really is. It would be helpful if you tell us precisely what it is and why it is that what you say it is - meaning that you should provide sources for that. Thank you.

[@muskaantarachandani7082]

Again, Jordan Peterson has many ideas that could be qualified as red pill. He has a tendency to misrepresent studies, actual faulty studies, and prove his half baked points.

[@jerrodshack7610]

​@@noah8236It's not a strawman. This dude said that JP isn't part of the manosphere, he's already proven he's completely illiterate on the subject.

[@bradleykoperski7198]

I like how this goes between deep philosophy of what defines our authentic existance to the world outlook of sad and toxic incells

[@PatrickHinshaw-h6z]

Thank you for producing consistently impeccable content. For me, your channel is without a doubt the best political and social commentary on KZbin.

[@s_anandsurya]

It is criminal that this channel isn't more popular.

[@Gaggerlotion]

No, it’s legal enough

[@s_anandsurya]

@@Gaggerlotion let's make a new policy for good then.

[@jezzdogg6857]

He takes to long to get to the point.. way to much fluff

[@s_anandsurya]

@@jezzdogg6857 can you point to instances from the video of what you're referring to?

[@lsobrien]

One of your all-time best essays. Ace.

[@mustafa3816]

This is probably my favourite channel on KZbin. Your research and the nuance of your presentation is unparalleled

[@free_palestine786]

How? Aren't you muslim? Muslim = andrew fan

[@dmvmeu7140]

​@free_palestine there are so many muslim tate fans but, to steal a phrase from his cult's arguments 'not all men' are like this, ofc not all muslims. It is disturbing to see anywhere however, especially how religion backs up any of their claims

[@mustafa3816]

@@free_palestine786 your math isn’t mathing very well. If you watched the same video I I did, you would know that Andrew is a symptom rather than a cancer. He resembles a return to old ways of thinking in a world that’s changing much too quickly. You can’t really blame people that choose that path when Capitalism has robbed them of mental clarity and made a joke out of morality. Islam as we know it today is the direct consequence of colonialism, another product of western capitalism.

[@caffeinator1849]

​@@free_palestine786that's just racist

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@sparkybob1023]

You are on to something here, Kant had something to offer. A priori - red pill & woke are synonyms pointing to something deeper . Everybody wants to believe they’re part of an elite class. Everybody thinks they’re better than an average driver, everybody wants to rule the world according to popstar philosophy.

[@jazzkatt1919]

You couldn't make up a better illustration of "ironic" than the various "red pill" movements.

[@suzannecarter445]

I may be wrong, but there seems to be a theme that runs through most of Lewis' videos - something like: Fear of uncertainty leads to mental laziness - "Well, that issue's settled so I don't have to worry about it or do any analysis" and this attitude seems to be at the core of so much that's wrong in our world. I applaud this as a general theme.

[@katherinekelly6432]

Existential anxiety is a feeling of dread or panic that arises when a person confronts the limitations of their existence. Thoughts of death, the meaningless of life, or the insignificance of self, can all trigger existential anxiety. People may feel overwhelmed, hopeless, and helpless. The mind in this state seeks escape, usually in some form of addiction to a substance or a belief structure. The only true way of escape is in the humility to accept the fragility of life. To love the dread and panic because it is the cost that comes with the gift of being born human.

[@VeeKayGreenerGrass]

Aka, the innately fearful male mind. They are really born into a personal hell, but don't find the guidance to navigate it.

[@HighCoordinator]

The entry point of "You are alone" sounds like it comes with partly similar advantages to the ones trying to sell the message as social disconnection practiced by cults. Atomized people are easier to control and exploit. The situations they are in can be predicted more effectively.

[@catherineiselin]

Compassion, not empathy. Empathy stops efficiency. Think of a surgeon, he cannot have empathy. He has compassion, but cannot have empathy as this would make him less efficient, his emotions would come in the way.

[@WilfridCyrus]

Such a great philosophical analysis. Thank you for your contribution to the understanding of these topics!

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@ragepig1059]

Linus Wang, I'm sorry to tell you that you are wrong. The red pill is the manosphere, incelism, blabla its a cult of hating and obsessing over women. The level of self delusion of these men, they really have this hit of serotonin like takeling drugs when talking about thebreligion of hating women, it's "deeeeppp bro" 🤣🤣🤣 you can get that with women too by healing yourself ijs

[@anniethenonnymouse]

This is a beautiful exploration of the current social dynamics that vex us so! Thank you for this amazing content :)

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@GabrielHellborne]

I think you did more thinking in this essay that all of the manosphere put together.

[@grapenut6094]

Been messing around in these communities for long enough to know that Andrew Tate and JP dont represent all of them. He seems to dislike Cassie Jaye but not someone like Jess Philips for entirely partizan reasons yet bills himself as an impartial observer, dude`s priorities are whack.

[@GabrielHellborne]

@@grapenut6094 Look deeper. You'll recognize a lot of disillusioned young men all lacking in purpose and, frequently, prospects. It's not cultural, it's economic. Not money, but purpose. I'm not doing my argument justice in a KZbin comment...

[@grapenut6094]

@@GabrielHellborne Youre probably assuming Im economically right wing or religious when that isnt the case.

[@brianmeen2158]

@@GabrielHellbornethere are definitely cultural Issues at play as to why men today lack purpose. To deny This is truly absurd . It could very well be 50% economic and 50% cultural.

[@ltarmenia4ever]

Some of the Red Pill is very individualistic and focuses on the fact that you DO have self agency to improve your life. Thats obviously very seductive when much of the reigning ideology in academia, media, etc views so much through a systematic grouped lens. Think about it; if you are systematically oppressed, but still highest up on the scale of being an "oppressor", then not only are you screwed, but no one cares. Well, alot of younger guys either accept this and wilt in depression, sadness, jealousy, and realize this is a hopeless future. Other alternatives once considered - such as the Red Pill offers something else. You are told you have the ultimate control of your life, and maybe you can do something about it. Instead of seeing all these other people/men around you that are happy, have a wife/girl, and even family and wallowing in misery and biterness that your life is so much worse, you are told to do something about it. Essentially, pull yourself up, and theres also a group of like-minded people around you doing the same. That's very alluring vs the other "side" of where you are terrible oppressor and have all this privilege. There needs to be other alternatives - maybe even paleo ones, because in a world where one's lived experience is the "truth", there is no real truth, no mythos. Societies without that... crumble.

[@nataliaprzeszowska]

This video is excellent!! I love how well dissected and backed up it is, and how well the psychological and philosophical aspects were highlighted and explained. It’s a little too complex for me to reach a conclusion just yet. Extremely thought provoking!

[@mark-f4e6k]

I don't even agree with you, but you're very likeable. I'm hopelessly red pilled. But I want you to know I appreciate your calm and deep exploration and I do think there's a place for some of what you say in red pill philosophy, to help mitigate some of it's weaknesses.

[@TheMikeest]

I got red pilled and started a business and got married , bought a home and have a baby on the way . After 20 years of drugs and jail and prison treatment and probation and parole , I had enough . Applying the red pill to your life ( not what gets clicks on Facebook or utube ) it is freeing to realize the world is flawed yet to make a real difference you have to stand up and be a man . This actually helps the country and your community and your friends and your family and yes your self . So self is last . The problem is self .

[@alekbane6048]

''Red pilled'' - we no longer use marriage and give some one the power on us BRO. You miss some really important points in the RED Pill philosophy... You basically BLUE PILLED.

[@dy4710]

@@alekbane6048lol I was so confused.. thank you

[@GuerrillaNature]

"No matter how far the rabbit hole goes, it always seems to go to the right." That's a sentence that could do with a considerable amount of explanation.

[@Edmonddantes123]

These guys talking about Personal Responsibility while also blaming all their woes on women, “postmodern Marxists”, the “global elite”, the government and a million other things is absolutely hilarious

[@rebelmnk2382]

There are those incel types on reddit and youtube. But the same goes for Leftists and Liberals. You don't hear redpill guys spew things in public but you see a lot of feminists do.

[@loveopenlynet]

As someone who has been in and out of the 'manosphere' for 25 years. I can tell you exactly where the Red Pill went wrong. Between 2000-2005 we used to go outside, talk to people, try things out. Then we would come back together and collate those results. Anyone not doing this was called a 'keyboard jockey'. At some point, this testing process became less important to the new wave of men. In it's place what was more important was a sense of belonging. This is the origin of Red Pill philosophy. It's a philosophy based on lies, masquerading as truths, with the soul purpose of building connections that couldn't be found any other way. Not amongst women, but amongst men. I first observed this way back in 2005, when I noticed groups of men going out and on purpose sabotaging their approaches with women, just so that they could go back to the group and get consolation. Secondary gain. You cannot talk a man out of the Red Pill philosophy because in doing so you detach him from his identity, narrative and crucially his community. The Red Pill is both freedom, and a trap. And the trap is only solved by going back to the core method - to test things in the real world. But to do this, means for the man to destroy himself. And which man wants to do this today? So instead he has created a new layer overlaid over the real world - and called that the real world instead. A world where he can protect himself from pain, and where there are other people surrounding him on the same path. A world where you can be illogically logical, and express yourself without having to ever feel anything. A world where you can do something and don't have to address that perhaps, you made a mistake somewhere in all this. I often see men asking today - How do I win the Game? And I always say - You win when you stop playing. But in truth, these men never actually started to play it in the first place and deep down they know this on some level. But they all still believe that if they continue on in the present course, that somehow something magical will happen that is pain free. And in that sense the Red Pill has a religious quality to it. It's the promise of a post-suffering life if only you submit the the ideas and concepts against all genuine sources. Somehow, you can square the circle and turn fantasy into reality. And in this promised land, you win. This is the difference between it and the other 'pills' where there is no promised land anymore. Just endless torment and suffering fueled by the fantasy itself in an endless race into a form of narcissistic nihilism that in it's worst incarnation results in actual physical harm. Unfortunately, it's not just the red pill that has this problem, but our entire society as well. Wider society demonizes men in the red pill as a way to deflect away from their own similar false narratives to do with the sexuality and relationship life of humans wrapped up with fundamental religious undertones. Even the scientists and anthropologists are in on the game. But that's a whole other topic that none of you are ready for, because it also means the destruction of your identity too. And collectively, globally we are steam rolling into that. The great calamity of who we thought we were and it's end. And the fact that we are not ready. Not ready at all.

[@pepad0]

It is ironic how this video is truly a red pill (the original meaning of the word), I had similar thoughts but your video helped me clarify a lot of things in my mind. Thank you

[@IdealisticDog]

Thank you for making this video. Haven't gotten to a place where I'm ready to interface with it, but wanted to comment to say it IS appreciated and I have full intent to engage properly with the art you've created. Thank you for your effort and hard work.

[@linuswang6572]

He gets the concept of the Red Pill all wrong. It's a mistake to portray it as synonymos with phenomenons such as the manosphere, incel culture, mgtow and so on. It's telling that he didn't bother to make out even these blatant surface level differences. The Red Pill is primarily about reviewing present day media, academia and politics through a critical lense. Often influenced by italian elite theory (Mosca, Pareto and Michels). But that's what you get when you're relying on mainstream sources; they have an interest in portaying everyone that seriously critiques the current state of 'our democracy' as dangerous losers and potential school shooters. (And it's the same with serious leftists; the type of smears may be different but they're also being cast out of mainstream institutions and thereby having opportunities to make a difference taken away.)

[@jerrodshack7610]

​@@linuswang6572Funny how you're copypasting your sad little cope comment all over the replies.

[@greatfrenchcanadian6800]

Hi there, I appreciate the video and all the work you put into it. However, there is something I don't understand about your argument. Admittedly I don't follow red pill stuff closely, but it was my understanding that the objections leveled against feminism are often of a structural kind rather than about "masculinity". Doesn't it stand to reason that structural issues could result in disadvantages for men that are not justifiable philosophically? For example, you mentioned men falling behind in schools. Why isn't it reasonable to make arguments of the sort that infer the educational system is ill-adapted to boys relative to girls based on this outcome? That is how we reason in many other instances. Genuine question. Not looking for a fight.

[@potatopotatow]

I can’t speak for this youtuber, but I would say that we can absolutely argue that the current educational system is ill adapted for boys. I think it is, in many respects. But we shouldn’t then fall into the trap of using this one very recent divergence from the status quo to claim that “women have it better”. The patriarchy hurts everyone, even though it purports to grant men some special position

[@abelabel3664]

The question is why is the educational system is the way it is. There is hardly any evidence feminism pushed it to make the way it is. Moreover, this is being measured with grades, which is highly debatable in terms of whether this poses a good representation of the supposed goals of the system are being achieved (is it about career placement, is it about knowledge, is it about well-being, etc?). One could argue that common masculinity traits are responsible for that: boys are not as encouraged to reach out for help, to be as socially connected, to show vulnerability, to focus on intellectual rather than physical activities, etc, etc. This would be as speculative as to why the "system" seems to perform better for girls, and that is why the hypothesis that feminism is the cause of it without any evidence is just that, a hypothesis. Additionally, what is the current situation being compared to? A past in which girls had little access to schools?

[@Damesanglante]

C'est simple. Le système avantage les femmes à l'extrême en Occident et se fout des hommes. C'est d'ailleurs pour ça que l'excellent Guy Corneau s'y est intéressé. Il a remarqué que la majorité des hommes ne reçevait pas d'aide, pas de compassion et dès qu'ils parlent de leurs émotions, ils se font jeter par leur conjointe comme des serviettes usées. Ensuite, la société nous dit qu'on est des mardes violents et que nos envies sexuelles sont du viol et autre âneries féministes. Et même là, ça blame le patriarcat, donc encore les hommes. Donc à force de se faire cracher dans la face, il y en a qui se sont tannés d'un système ou les femmes sont mises sur un piédestal, même quand elles trompent, trichent, mentent, etc. L'internet a été le dernier clou dans le cercueil avec les sites de rencontre ou une fille reçoit 200 messages par jour et toi juste un et c'est ton ami qui t'a fait une blague. Le documentaire Redpill a vraiment démontré comment on est traités comme des déchets. Les morts au travail, à la guerre, suocides, drogues, etc. Ensuite, bien sur, sont venus des charlatans qui essaient de vendre des cours et coaching en profitant du malheur des autres. C'est assez triste tout ça en fait.

[@Damesanglante]

Yes there are. Your entire narrative is based on blaming men for everything while pretending women are victims. You're part of the problem. There are evidence of that, but i bet you'd rather listen to and echo-chambers of angry feminists and that propaganda makes you lack empathy. The same way a rich person justify treating a poor one badly because he tell himself "he deserve to be poor".

[@El-up1ri]

The red pill is the fear that we always ignore consciously all the ugly stuff.

[@daveeyes]

Huh?

[@maryanneroselle4434]

This discussion is complex and deep, focusing on the loss of our connection to femininity. We need to ask, "What is a female?" and "What is a male?" and explore how they relate and communicate. I come from a place where manhood is defined by hard labor and providing for the family, but without emotional attachment. Women, especially mothers and daughters, stabilize the household and often teach young boys essential skills like reading and writing, which are not typically seen as masculine. This creates a duality in children. Boys and girls are taught different values: girls are pushed to learn quickly and be competitive, while boys might be given easier tasks. For example, my brother was a societal pleaser, entertaining relatives, while I had to excel academically. First-born children, regardless of gender, bear the responsibility of acquiring skills useful for the family's survival and dignity. This sets up a competition between men and women from a young age. Men may be taught that control and domination are key, while women might learn to outsmart through meticulous planning. The conflict starts here. Our traits, passed down through generations, drive us to compete. Women, often lacking physical strength, rely on their minds, while men use strength and inherited strategies. Both are shaped by past generations and historical events like the Industrial Revolution, technological progress, and wars.

[@sethstewart9704]

Consider a beautiful word: Sonder. Noun. Definition: The feeling of understanding that others live a life just as vibrant, meaningful and valid as your own. The true difference between an adult and a child is the day that this geeling first occurs. Those attracted to this red pill philosophy have not had this experience, thereby allowing them to accept the idea that it is okay to hold themselves above another classification of people. All of this to say that a figure like Andrew Tate is not a pinnacle of masculinity or authentic man. He has yet to become a man because he has not yet ceased to be a child.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Yep

[@andrewmitchell3459]

This video is for people who already believe what you believe

[@pitdog75]

im leaving a comment to thank you for such a researched vid and also to "help the algorithm" ;)

[@rickdalton9351]

its all Nixon's fault

[@DanuuJl]

It is a same pattern that one can observe in the time between WW1 and WW2, when many young man (in their 20s) organizations have been created, which often goes into far (-right or -left), because a composition of unstable life conditions (both, material and spiritual) and hot blood looking for ideas to live for, give you a dangerous mix.

[@julianstone1192]

I don’t get how the far right has a social Darwinist core, but they wine and complain about a 1% ruling over 99% like cattle, that’s the system you want right?

[@NUNYA79.]

I think everyone realizes that eventually. It just depends on the person when they find it out. Some later in life some earlier. The sooner you find out The more free you can be. It's Feels good tto know, Everyone is fake.,And you are still real. embrace it, my brother.