Modern Rolex Is Losing It’s Dominance This Year. (2023 Trends)

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Watch trends for 2023 are...interesting. Maybe not what you expect, maybe exactly what you expect! It's the return of those solid gold chunks of watch people used to wear in the 70's and 80's. You don't need a 300m submariner to walk your dog in Central Park! You need FLASH! You need FLAIR! You need a diamond leash and THE Rolex Midas that Elvis wore. You embrace your wealth! You smack people that don't know your name! It's 2023 baby!
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[@H_tudor]

Guys I don’t get to see my friends a lot because of work but listening to you and seeing the banter makes me feel like being part of your journey. Really glad there’s a channel like this

[@seanlee4294]

Honestly I haven’t really been into watches the past few years, but I still watch t&h because I just like these guys

[@H_tudor]

I Honestly love the banter between the two , you come for the news and stay for the banter as I say

[@DavisAB4]

Loving the consistency lately keep it up guys always great content!

[@saphna2095]

yeah right?:D I could really get used to this upload frequency^^

[@dandsyfam1813]

I say this as a fan, and hope it comes across that way. You both are too good at what you do to not know how the word "its" works.

[@ulifluhme]

Its a sin.

[@splat668]

🤓🤓

[@Unknown-fl7dj]

Its certainly something they should address.

[@alectang1614]

Yeah, Michael also struggled with the difference between "there are" and "there is" a few episodes ago.

[@jeronimooooo0000]

Be for real, dude lol what are you? An English teacher?

[@kettusnuhveli]

Surprising to hear about the Solarbeat being discontinued in the US market. Cartier’s EU website has had them restocked twice in the last 30 days so guess we don’t have to worry??? 🤷‍♂️

[@toooldfortwowheels2048]

Bought my wife a beautiful gold Omega manual wind with build in gold bracelet, almost like a milanese but more intricate. Cost me about £700 here in the UK. Stunning vintage piece. Wish I could find something like that for myself but mens stuff is always infintely more expensive. Great video this week guys really enjoyed the insights.

[@razfan]

I personally like the Piaget Polo and decided one day to visit a local AD to inquiry about it. The AD is a multi-brand store, not just Piaget. Funny thing was that the salesman was himself wearing a Polo chrono. I asked him what was his wearing experience and what are some cons about it. He liked the watch, wearing almost daily (and you could see that), and the biggest con from his perspective was definitely the bracelet. I agreed, he let me try it on and the bracelet wasn't that comfortable, and even visually not so good without tapering.

[@MS28227]

I lost my passion, sold my watch collection. I now have 3 watches - Seiko SARB 033,035,037. Waiting for something to get me excited again - but it will never be another Rolex.

[@tlmcelhan]

Okay, might be my favorite watch video of all time. "A large portion of the watch community is turning 3." Priceless! We'll see how many people make it another decade, or two, or three. Especially when they realize that it has only been a short while since you haven't "taken a bath" on any watch you bought and you have to buy them for the love of the art not for investment purposes.

[@JackG7786]

Back in October I got a Zodiac sea wolf 53 skin from 2015 as a gift from a friend. After about 3 or 4 months the darn thing broke! The craziest part is I left a comment on a Facebook page about it, and the brand director reached out and got it fixed. Zodiac has me as a future firsthand customer based on that experience alone

[@MlkXiu]

Apparently it's not just you, many ppl online complained their sea wolf exploded, and the brand director has reached out to them. That's a good thing but the watch shouldn't have done that in the first place. Im interested in a super sea wolf but afraid to get one that'll explode.

[@JackG7786]

@@MlkXiu he told me straight up that they discontinued the model I have because of the consistent movement issues, and they redesigned the movement (I’d assume he meant tightening up tolerances). Mine has the STP 1-11, and you easily feel the difference in how happy the watch is just being hand wound or setting the time. I’d say that they seem safe today, and I have every intention of buying new just to support the director and what he is trying to do. I got the vibe he truly believes in the brand in the week or so we were in direct communication.

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

@@JackG7786 Zodiac watches have way too many QC issues overall

[@JackG7786]

@@lonewolfemcquade8133 seems like most of those issues are related to older products 🤷🏻‍♀️. Still a mark on the reputation, but I’m willing to take the risk if the brand is willing to stand behind the product if I have any issues

[@bluesuedestrap]

Michael, I was so mesmerised by your sweatshirt, I could hardly pay attention to the video content. Love it!

[@fuller4740]

Love the content guys. Michael - any updates on your Weatherwool project? I need more Weatherwool in my life

[@TheoandHarris]

Working on it!! I’m releasing a different wool jacket first though

[@kimchiwasabee]

This laughter is so friggin' contagious!! Greets from Poland.

[@justingalore123]

Wearing my Tag Solargraph and was happy to see it pop up! It is cool in person too. I also have a Cartier Solarbeat and can say it’s still available (in small at least) in the U.K..

[@OuijTube]

Boring materialist explanation for the renewal of interest in small gold watches: Guys shop for steel Rolexes, see the price, and then think: all that money, just for steel? Also, some of the smaller gold (and gold-filled/plated, if your budget doesn't stretch) vintage watches are as good as they ever were for just normal wear around town, with a surprising number of looks/outfits. Your operating environment isn't a deep-sea oil rig, so why lug around a Sub or a Seadweller? A lot of the old style watches are comfortable and useful and they'll make you smile when you check the time.

[@jmr0816]

Anyone know where Michael got his sweatshirt?

[@allanreardon]

Absolutely fascinating. Love these types of videos...not just visiting and seeing the watches, but seeing how they are made.

[@nicholaschavez6245]

I’m really interested in vintage VC these days. Especially the tv case.

[@josefsbeach]

Solarbeat was discontinued?? Wtf.

[@Flipskater13]

Michael, Christian I think the future trend will be small precious metal watches, that have specs like current sports models 🤔

[@lavawolf666]

where is the link for that tudor?

[@lavawolf666]

@theoandharris01 nice try get a job

[@fragranceprofile9657]

You guys are the smartest guys I've ever seen on KZbin in my life

[@watsondna]

If you have not done it yet, could you provide some guidance on how a person can develop and refine their taste in watches. Not which watches, but instead ways to get past the watch world noise and zero in on what style it is that makes a persons watch desire tick, so to speak. I am new to the world and it seems like everything I see distracts me.

[@gyang333]

Love my DD36. It's been my daily since I got it last year. Fully onboard with the small gold watch trend.

[@eriksoderlund7316]

Amazing video and i absolutely agree on that Christian really has brought something different to the watch world!

[@freen773]

would love to get timestamps for the video

[@TheRacerRich]

My roommate my freshman year of college had an A. Lange & Soehne.

[@jonnyg5210]

you mean my '70's solid gold Omega constellation "TV" watch is coming back in fashion? yes! ha ha

[@I-Libertine]

I was laughing my butt off with that intro guys you made my morning

[@Meowhsss]

Yet most videos use Rolex in the title as clickbait, weird 🤔

[@Justlaxin13]

Very much enjoying the increased number of these videos recently.

[@David-nx2vm]

I totally get it your comments on women and watches. My wife’s Rolex is way more expensive and niche than mine, and I’m stoked every time she wears it.

[@mattsmith7940]

Can you guys talk about your thoughts on the Christopher ward bel canto

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

That vintage Monte Carlo is beautiful and love the history I only wish the current Tudor Monte Carlo came with another movement, besides the piggyback chronograph movement. I even take a Valjoux or give it the new chronograph movement Tudor uses

[@bernardo9202]

TBF the piaget rubber bracelet is one of the best i have seen recently

[@samstraughan9054]

Agree 100% with the Piaget comments...I love that watch, but hate the bracelet. I do like the rubber strap alternative they launched a couple years ago.

[@superseby7]

Michael, I love the shirt. What's the brand?

[@avip671]

Love the long in depth conversations

[@Walterliquori]

Gotti’s Piaget was pretty nice his cologne grey flannel madone not great

[@windowintowineoninstagram5463]

Yep the Piaget on an Aligator strap would be the ultimate

[@TheRacerRich]

I feel like the darker haired one keeps saying in the 80s rich guys wore Cellinis. Nobody ever wore Cellinis. Outside of the overly flamboyant, they wore Datejusts, Presidents, Omegas, and Pateks.

[@B-kl8vj]

He said his uncles.

[@Mans1810]

As far as perpetual calendars go, I would go for vintage AP QPs. Those are extremely rare, gorgeous and not so pricy compared to Patek

[@Armoer]

In terms of rarity one could argue that AP QP’s are actually quite common as AP alone accounted for more than 50% of the perpetual calendar wrist watch production in the world up to the 80s when the likes of IWC and Blancpain got in on this complication

[@MastinoNapoletano420]

Christian, that Trump impersonation was spot on! Hope all is well guys!

[@queensbuilt-timewilltell8200]

Love the butcher reference and content but please give credit to Chris Farley the credit... Tommy Boy... what a movie.

[@TheoandHarris]

Didn’t mean to steal it! Just a little reference Easter egg for the viewers!!

[@pammoore8963]

I love you guys together! Great dynamic!

[@brianmason744]

Love the Enthusiast content Theo and Harris! -always have.

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

I found the coolest watch please check out the Ebel Voyager World Timer. The one i picked up came of bracelet with the silver world map on the dial. The size is great at 38.5mm and relatively thin, wears like a dream. I believe the watch was made in the mid to late 90’s and retailed for around $5000.00 Picked it for $1000 as new full kit even the un signed card as I believe this watch was new old stock.

[@jileelmcdaniels7331]

Fun video, that Rolex midas looks sick.

[@matthewgurlitz3514]

It is unfortunate about the Cartier Solar Beat. If no one had liked it to begin with and sales were bad, that would have one thing. But it was a really neat and relevant idea that had many Cartier enthusiasts very excited. I'm sorry that supply chain issues were the cause of its demise, and I hope that Cartier considers reissuing it when the time is right.

[@Bourne1984]

Who or what is Brin?

[@jaytee7822]

You 2 gents are great for the watch world!!

[@anamisidro8453]

Maybe, just maybe it’s about time to have a core collection, let’s say 3 watches that you love so much that never go away!😉 I’m saying this because I had a 3 watch collection: Rolex explorer; omega speedmaster JDM edition; Cartier Santos. I started to feel the need to have some colorful and different watches and I sold the Omega and the Cartier. I regret it immensely. There was no need. You’ll get your Omega back and sell the Grand Seiko. 🥂

[@gabedellaira6924]

Like these long form videos.

[@geno816]

Imo. Grand Seiko is the new Rolex. Innovative. Creating stuff on the level of holy trinity but for half the price. And never afraid to listen to their fans/clients to improve. I've converted.

[@robc8892]

Same here. Rolex 🤮👋

[@davidhunternyc1]

At 32:35. You've got to have style to wear a Piaget Polo but you've got to be Balenciaga to wear a Cartier Tank.

[@ThugByChoice]

I’m leaning more towards Omega these days.

[@ryana9783]

“These are not coming from America, they’re coming from China.” 😂😂😂 I was not expecting that caliber of an impersonation.

[@jeffdj1975]

Christian, you def changed the vintage watch game for the better..or worse? Better cause you showed true passion and you’re very informative. Worse, cause now peeps are on the vintage game and it’s making harder for us true watch geeks to get a good piece.

[@dibs6579]

I’d have to disagree, Rolex waitlist on sports model existed far beyond the recent explosion. Watch enthusiast always say Rolex alternative because Rolex is always the bar to meet. Their models are timeless and honestly the general population still yearns for Rolex. We may not but the people desire it and still demand it. The largest watch brand in the world for a reason and will always be. You can’t touch the Crown.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

I wouldn’t be so confident.

[@Doggo-frencton]

They know Rolex will be dominant for decades to come. It’s just not popular to say that in front of the KZbin contrarians

[@WestCoastAce27]

Agree. They could sell every Daytona, Sub, GMT, Yachtmaster, even Explorer II Polar 10 times over. At MSRP. Even in these uncertain economic times.

[@dibs6579]

@@BobbyDazzler888 I’m 1000% sure if Piaget wasn’t paying Michael b. Jordan he’d be wearing a Rolex. All these watches you see celebrities wearing is because they are paid and if they weren’t they would go get their nautilus, oak, or Rolex. Really that simple

[@Peter-tc3ep]

Sorry Rolex goes through trends, unfortunately it’s on a little downward trend right now. I own a few and like them, but a little over a decade ago I purchased a Submariner and a Sky-dweller for well under MSRP from my local AD. At that time there was no shortage of stock only a shortage of interest. I’m sure Rolex will gain popularity again like it usually does every 10- 20 years.

[@windowintowineoninstagram5463]

Agghh the Piaget is a work of art

[@colomboluke]

Great video guys!

[@anthonyjackson31]

Every watch I purchased was something I tried on and thought ... meh I will just try it on.. not really my style.... then I tried it on and was like waaaaaiiittt a second.

[@MattyVice]

It makes me upset that I do not know watches well enough to comprehend the criticism of not just the Piaget Bracelet; but even criticism of Grand Seiko Bracelets. I think the Piaget is phenomenal looking watch and a good Patek alternative. I would proudly where it. But for $25k? No….12k yes

[@2ursk81]

I would love to know who is Brinn?

[@bretkindsvatter3574]

"Im a pioneer of it" Most humble 27 year old

[@robertanders2011]

@38 mins: yes guilty- I got her the aquanaut Luce… 38:30

[@benficaM8888]

i hate Christian's snobbery sometimes, but there is no doubt he's one of the first person on the internet, who's pushing flamboyant gold watches, YEARS before everyone else did. He was into YELLOW GOLD watches, while it was so uncool to love them

[@fakenewsisthenews3542]

Michael Jordan looks different than I remember.

[@malekbatterjee9094]

You should do this every year

[@geno816]

I would love a throwback tudor/rolex collab. With the rolex case back, crown, and tudor logo on the dial and bracelet. People would go nuts! But sorry sad old rolex wouldn't do it. Just continue to be the boring has been brand they are.

[@dspserpico]

Tastes informed by the older generations, especially older generations of your ethnicity, is a real thing. I used to never care about Rolex. Then Hodinkee did their interviews with Jimmy O. Yang and Ronny Chieng, and they both taked about two tone Datejusts and how they associated it with successful Asians from when they wre kids. All of sudden, my genetic memory woke up and remembered all of the successful uncles wearing two tone Datejusts in the 80’s. At that moment, a two tone Datejust became my grail. Not to be purchased when I have the funds for it, but when I achieve my professional goals.

[@TheoandHarris]

Fantastic comment! Exactly right. It’s a unique, very powerful memory…

[@louisindelicato1406]

Tommy boy reference was perfect! Trump impersonation wasn’t too shabby either!

[@MH5tube]

I think Christian is correct about being a pioneer, but I think the biggest point is that he's just wearing what he likes. Not trying to set trends just for the sake of it

[@The95MA]

Ahhh why you gotta cut the good part 36:07

[@MoonfaceMartin88]

Fascinating; from most angles, Michael looks like an attractive 20-something while from a few others, he looks like a 12-year old Bobblehead.

[@nrbrown5985]

Hodinkee does it to themselves. When they write articles about cuckholding it’s hard to take them seriously. 😂

[@mas1158]

Person asked: are you two a couple?

[@TheoandHarris]

Couple uh HOMIES

[@BobbyDazzler888]

They bunk together on weekends

[@JB-xt3ly]

Apparently all about Omega these days. Wherever the money is I guess.

[@JsBlazIN]

15k Monte Carlo over a 20k Daytona ? Yes you’re taking the piss

[@opodeldox]

How can a watch brand people can't buy stay relevant? Where is the next generation supposed to come from? "This is the watch my dad had" works, "This is the watch dad never could buy." wont work.

[@tylerlow6967]

Wouldn’t mind a T bone right now

[@tomasinacovell4293]

Non! Don't sound the "t" in "often"!

[@AP20009]

Nobody: …. Vid Title: something something ROLEX something YT Algorithm: YES

[@toegunn4905]

I got into watches because I got into watches. I've read the occasional hodinkee article, but they are just salesmen. Just like how I zone out when you talk about what's in your shop. It's inherently biased, like you need to sell it, I get it. You probably even like it, but it's not like you'll be like "yeah patina on this is like a 4/10 and nobody is going to be impressed"

[@jeronimooooo0000]

Fun episode:) 10/10

[@therinsig]

That was a really good Trump impression.

[@JohnCaron]

The world changes, even for ROLEX.

[@fakenewsisthenews3542]

Gold watches? People going to be getting mugged and robbed even more than they are now. Is it worth it?

[@sinesaii]

I am impressed they call Italians ethnic. Here in Chicago that angers them (and they are scary).

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

I really enjoy watching the 2 of you but have you thought of adding a third? About Effing Time would be a great example, They have a great formate and I like how they get into some great debates. Ah yes a lives are awesome, it is always a good thing interacting live with your fan base.

[@tmorris93]

I would like to introduce to you the phrase "cultural appreciation"-as different from "cultural appropriation". I think this captures your sentiment nicely.

[@TheoandHarris]

Absolutely right! Love it

[@BabyJesus66]

Brynn also grew up in New Jersey so I'm not sure that's cultural appropriation.

[@samuelburton5576]

Christian wouldn't even have a business without Rolex. Don't hate on the hand feeding you!

[@nicholasnahial4956]

You can slap a Guarentee on a box of shit but then you still have a guaranteed box of shit!🎉

[@gelmibson883]

Wooo!

[@drticktock4011]

Nope

[@Zip962]

So Rolex is loosing it's dominance . Are you guys High ?

[@jiheemvohor9720]

19: 35 Federico talks watches, made that same analogy about rolex. 1st thinking rolex was everything, but the more educated you get you know it's just not that elaborate, but then you fall in love again with the watch again

[@neznamtija8081]

So the guy on the right is Spanish and not Mexican ??

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

Solar powered watches are quartz

[@samuelburton5576]

Okay Michael and Christian, you know damn well Rolex is the best. They have almost 30% of the entire luxury watch market and far exceed all other brands. Even the top three beneath them combined. Stop the hate and trying to ride the Rolex hate game. My question is: Are you running out of watch content? Please talk about things in the real world.