Does Too Much Grace Lead to Sin? | Theocast

[@TL-yl5tp]

Thank you guys for reminding us weary sinners of the grace and sufficiency of Christ Jesus :), keep up the great work .

[@cranmer1959]

First Head of Doctrine: Article 12: The Assurance of Election The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God such as, a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc.

[@garymc201]

Thank you brothers!

[@reformedpilgrim]

Beautiful reminder, gentlemen. Thank you!

[@FreedomBeaconMinistries]

Excellent. In sanctification, being conformed to Christ's image requires yielding to the Holy Spirit. The church today does not give enough attention to and believers do not understand the power and victory they have in the Holy Spirit. If they did, there would not be such a debate. In His GRACE, Christ has given us His Spirit, so that we can have power for living and victory over sin. We yield to His Spirit because we are grieved by our sin because we know how much it grieves Him. It is not "cheap grace"--We know how much it cost Christ and this truth guides our Christian walk.

[@FreedomBeaconMinistries]

@@ThomasCranmer1959 Exactly. That is clear in Rom 8:28-30 - foreknow, pre-destinate, called, justify, glorify - all are works of God, apart from any work that we might do as an evidence of our faith.

[@fightthegoodfightoffaithmi8676]

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: Romans Chapter 6 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Nope God's Grace does not give anyone license to commit the things that made us lost before God Himself intervened and granted us repentance unto life Christ came to set us free from those things by the salvation that same Grace gives.

[@cranmer1959]

First Head of Doctrine: Article 12: The Assurance of Election The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God such as, a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc.

[@johndodson8464]

You guys are freakin awesome.

[@joeregis6144]

Titus 2:11-12 New Living Translation 11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. 12 And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God

[@joymahiko]

The question is merely referencing psychology from an unredeemed mind- not the New Birth by the Holy Spirit which is a Supernatural Act of God by His Grace - apart from works. "My dear children these things I write unto you that you sin not" I John 2:1.

[@matteblak6158]

Hey brothers, thank you so much for this podcast. I am wondering if you guys might be able to do a follow up to your biblicism episode. The critique of biblicism seems to have ruffled some feathers, but I feel like you, and Pat A, and others are talking about something different than what people like James White, Gabe Hughes and others mean by biblicism

[@cranmer1959]

What's wrong with believing what the Bible says? Liberals attack the Bible by calling it biblicism. I guess the Westminster Confession of Faith is biblicism because it uses proof texts?

[@ChericeGraham]

So much good content in this episode!

[@cranmer1959]

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” (Romans 12:1-2, KJV 1900)

[@cranmer1959]

Good works are not juxtaposed with the Gospel. Good works are only possible through faith.

[@johndodson8464]

However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5

[@johndodson8464]

"Juxtaposed"?? My you use big words when you ADD WORKS to the Gospel.

[@johndodson8464]

@ThomasCranmer1959 The DIRECT effect of justification is that one CEASES striving to earn salvation. Your DOUBLE JUSTIFICATION heresy teaches that so-called "final justification" is conditional on your works. Why do you argue is such a way that you try to hide your doctrine. It just shows that you aim to deceive with your Catholic heresy. You think you can trick people to "come home"?? Just say it: You believe in TWO JUSTIFICATIONS. Yes or no?

[@cranmer1959]

If there are no consequences for sin, why repent?

[@mrpadillaofficial]

Just as there is a wrong use of the law, their is a wrong use of grace

[@cranmer1959]

Union with Christ is only mentioned once in the Westminster Standards: Q. 79. May not true believers, by reason of their imperfections, and the many temptations and sins they are overtaken with, fall away from the state of grace? A. True believers, by reason of the unchangeable love of God,f and his decree and covenant to give them perseverance,g their inseparable union with Christ,h his continual intercession for them,i and the Spirit and seed of God abiding in them,k can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace,l but are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.m h 1 Cor. 1:8. Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ver. 9. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Westminster Assembly. The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition. Philadelphia: William S. Young, 1851. Print.

[@johndodson8464]

Does anyone in martial arts think that in ONE DAY they can swear an oath and become a black belt?? Repentance is an ongoing process of a mind being changed by DAILY Bible study, prayer and the working of the Holy Spirit. Repentance isn't "confessing to a priest" and he sprinkles you with "holy water," making you an instantly sanctified, black-belt Christian in the blink of an eye. How patently ridiculous and superstitious. Catholic nonsense all goes back to the idea that justification is INFUSED, and that it happens over and over again. "Whups, I sinned again. Time to go back to the priest and get "justified" again!"

[@cranmer1959]

The purpose of justification is SANCTIFICATION.

[@johndodson8464]

@@cranmer1959 The purpose of justification is to save a sinner's soul ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME. Christ's righteousness is IMPUTED to the Christian's legal status, NOT INFUSED in the Christian's heart. SANCTIFICATION is a PROCESS. The thief next to Jesus died the same day he was justified. His hands couldn't even do any good works because they were spiked to a wooden beam.

[@johndodson8464]

@@cranmer1959 The BASIS for justification is JESUS'S finished work on the cross. Justification is NOT based on ANYTHING done or WILL BE done in the heart of the Christian - - not even changes wrought by the hand of God in a Christian's heart!

[@cranmer1959]

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:1-2, NKJV)

[@johndodson8464]

​@cranmer1959 That verse says that GOD'S WILL is perfect, not YOU.

[@Imsaved777]

The short answer is No. See, and I didn’t even watch the video to arrive at that conclusion.

[@liyenhana7094]

Why is there a pastor saying he was not still sure if he is saved or not.. Hi! Im your listener from the Philippines

[@cranmer1959]

Article 12: The Assurance of Election The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God such as, a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc. Synod of Dort. The Canons of Dort . Chapel Library. Kindle Edition.

[@cranmer1959]

www.chapellibrary.org/pdf/books/codo.pdf

[@johndodson8464]

Repentance means a CHANGE OF MIND, not confession and oath taking.

[@jdw-616]

Which leads to changed action and no more sin if you are led by the spirit

[@johndodson8464]

@@jdw-616 "No more sin"?? Oh, tell us, righteous one, how you have no sin in your life. You spew the heresy known as SINLESS PERFECTIONISM (aka INSTANT SANCTIFICATION). It's a legalistic heresy. I can see that you ADD your own filthy works to merit your justification. You are a HERETIC.

[@inahsong7555]

did Jesus come so we would stop sinning or did HE come to die for our sins?@@jdw-616

[@cranmer1959]

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:1-2, NKJV)

[@johndodson8464]

@cranmer1959 Where exactly does that verse say we sin no more? I see nothing about confessing to a priest and being infused with instant sanctification. Catholics like you think that justification is INFUSED. We are instantly made holy once we confess and take an oath. But oh boy, watch out! If you sin after being "justified," you lose salvation. Reformers believe that justification is EXTRINSIC. It's a change in a Christian's LEGAL STATUS, ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME. Does a person step into a dojo and INSTANTLY become a black belt??? Is that how sanctification happens, Father Pope of Perfect Holiness?

[@joeregis6144]

John 1:29 KJ21 The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world! ASV On the morrow he seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world!

[@cranmer1959]

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:1-2, NKJV)

[@cranmer1959]

If one verse of the Bible means nothing, why do you quote the Bible?

[@cranmer1959]

Chill bumps do not determine the truth. The propositions in the Bible determine what is true.

[@johndodson8464]

4:30 in before getting on topic. Dudes, you can't be doing that.

[@reformedpilgrim]

That's a very efficient use of time. Some podcasts don't get to the subject for 20 or 30 minutes.

[@johndodson8464]

@reformedpilgrim Don't get me wrong, these guys are great. But no, you'll lose a lot of viewers doing that. No one wants to hear talking about what you're going to talk about for 5 minutes. It's very frustrating.

[@cranmer1959]

First Head of Doctrine: Article 12: The Assurance of Election The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God such as, a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc. Synod of Dort. The Canons of Dort . Chapel Library. Kindle Edition.

[@johndodson8464]

The main error of the "too much grace" thinking is a Catholic idea of repentance. Repentance is NOT: I come to confess sin and swear an oath to not sin anymore. Rather, repentance is BELIEVING something NEW that I didn't believe before. It's not MY willpower and oathtaking. Rather, it's getting a REVELATION about the comparative value of God's reward, compared to sin's shit pile. When you come to UNDERSTAND the value, you just don't want sin as much, anymore. Until and unless you get this revelation in your heart, a million confessions and oaths mean NOTHING. They're just curtains on the Titanic.

[@cranmer1959]

Only grace can cause you to believe the Gospel and REPENT.

[@johndodson8464]

@@cranmer1959 Faith comes by grace, yes. But you seem to be saying "believe the Gospel AND repent" like they're the same thing. When one believes the Gospel, the immediate result is to CEASE striving to earn salvation. Roman 4:5: However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness

[@johndodson8464]

@@cranmer1959 Works in the lifelong process of sanctification are NOT MERITORIOUS for earning salvation. A Christian is saved ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME at the point of justification.

[@cranmer1959]

@@johndodson8464 No, I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that all of the gifts or graces are caused by God. Therefore, you cannot use justification as simply an evangelistic tool. ONLY God SAVES. So in the golden chain of salvation unconditional election precedes everything else! Furthermore, regeneration is not an act of the will on the part of the elect. The elect person is passive in regeneration. Regeneration precedes believing the Gospel!!! True that the Gospel call is the instrumental means God uses to issue the effectual call or regeneration, but that does not make your argument for cheap grace any better. That's because justification is an eternal decree just like election is unconditional. Justification is only realized in time AFTER regeneration and believing the Gospel. Believing the Gospel is impossible without 1) unconditional election, 2) eternal justification (See Revelation 13:8), and 3) regeneration/effectual call. Following true belief and realized justification the next gift is repentance. (Acts 11:18). And after that? The grace of sanctification is a progress in being conformed to the image of Christ. The short of it is that assurance is not automatic. Even if a person is elect and regenerate, to attain assurance the graces of repentance and sanctification must also be realized. Only God can cause the regenerate believer to cooperate in believing the Gospel, repenting of sins and habits, and struggling against sin in the process of ongoing sanctification. These men are deliberately ignoring the golden chain of salvation and instead over-emphasizing only one link in the chain. So they are what I would call practical antinomians. And lastly, I do not believe that any of the other graces are the ground of our salvation. Justification is by faith and faith alone. But is believing, repenting, and struggling against sin optional? I think not.

[@cranmer1959]

First Head of Doctrine: Article 12: The Assurance of Election The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God such as, a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc. Synod of Dort. The Canons of Dort . Chapel Library. Kindle Edition.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Your video title reads like something Satan would have whispered to Eve in the garden. You think Jesus didn't teach works salvation? This is the *_work_* of God, that _YOU_ believe on him whom the Father hath sent." (John 6:29) So according to Jesus, believing is a work that _we_ do, as God cannot believe on himself. That means repentance is a work, baptism is a work, prayer is a work, literally everything we do toward God is a work. In Romans 3:31, Paul says we are _not_ free to ignore God's law, then in Galatians 5:19-21 he lists all the behaviors that will prevent us from entering heaven. Jesus says in Mark 10:19 that we must keep the commandments in order to inherit eternal life, and he recites the Decalogue. The Reformers and those who follow them are deceived.

[@peterpiper6362]

Dude, even in your first verse, "This is the work OF GOD"!

[@maximusralte777]

Like the comment just above me "This is the work of God" . Whose work? So, actually believing is a work of God. So is repentance. Thank you

[@TL-yl5tp]

For real dude, you need to rethink how you interpret Scripture,Wow...thank God for our brothers at Theocast who continue to spread the true Gospel.

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@peterpiper6362 Prepositions are not possessive. The preposition _of_ is equivalent to using the word _toward._ Therefore, the _work of God_ is a work directed _TO_ God. This should be obvious since the act of believing is attributed _TO_ the one who believes, as God cannot believe on himself.

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@TL-yl5tp It's a false Gospel.

[@UnderTheFloor79]

Your critics accuse you of turning the grace of God into licentiousness. It's a fair criticism. You guys twist scripture to have the opposite meaning. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. - Jude 4 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; - Romans 2:3-7

[@garymc201]

I'm not going to debate you in the comment section because it's impossible, I just ask you study Jude, try and understand why Jude wrote what he did, and as for your Roman's reference, whose good deeds do you think believers will be judged by? Ours or Christ? Because if you say ours we're all in big trouble.

[@ryanjamietaylor1134]

Hardness and unrepentant heart- how does this podcast promote that?! It's exactly the opposite. I think you are misinterpreting their podcast

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@garymc201 God does not judge his own actions, Jesus said we will give account for every idle word. Jesus did, in fact, teach salvation by obedience to his words.

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@ryanjamietaylor1134 This is the *_work_* of God, that _YOU_ believe on him whom the Father hath sent." (John 6:29) According to Jesus, believing is a work that _we_ do, as God cannot believe on himself. That means repentance is a work, baptism is a work, prayer is a work, literally everything we do toward God is a work.

[@UnderTheFloor79]

@@ryanjamietaylor1134 They don't believe Biblical repentance in required for salvation.