Why You Can't Stop Sinning (Romans 7 Reality) | Theocast

[@robmarshall956]

This is my battle daily, I run and run and run and sometimes I’m baffled why the temperature of the temptations are still so prevalent. I honestly will be so glad when I die in the flesh.

[@tomgregory687]

You can die to sin.(Romans 6:1-7) Romans 7 is Paul’s teaching on the different between law and grace. He says that the law of sin worked in his members, then he prayed to be delivered from the body of this death. In chapter 8:1-3 he says that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus freed him from the LAW OF SIN and DEATH. Read Chapter 7:5&6 to see the difference.

[@robmarshall956]

@@tomgregory687 yiu have misunderstood the context Tom. To be dead to sin does not mean we are sinless. Paul made clear that he continued to struggle with temptation and sin: “For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it” (Romans 7:19-20). If Paul could call himself the “worst of sinners” (1 Timothy 1:16), then we should certainly expect to continue our conflict with sin until we reach heaven. To be dead to sin means we no longer need to be controlled by our sin nature. Romans 6:17 teaches that “though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.” Before Christ, we are “slaves” to sin. Now we have a new Master. Sin continues to exist, but we are no longer dominated by it. As Christians, we have God’s Spirit within us to empower us. However, we still face temptation and must strive to stand against sin. We can live “dead to sin” as we follow Christ, knowing that our Lord will one day remove the curse of sin altogether (Revelation 22:3).

[@robmarshall956]

@@tomgregory687 you have mistapplied the context. To be dead to sin does not mean we are sinless. Paul made clear that he continued to struggle with temptation and sin: “For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it” (Romans 7:19-20). If Paul could call himself the “worst of sinners” (1 Timothy 1:16), then we should certainly expect to continue our conflict with sin until we reach heaven. To be dead to sin means we no longer need to be controlled by our sin nature. Romans 6:17 teaches that “though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.” Before Christ, we are “slaves” to sin. Now we have a new Master. Sin continues to exist, but we are no longer dominated by it. As Christians, we have God’s Spirit within us to empower us. However, we still face temptation and must strive to stand against sin. We can live “dead to sin” as we follow Christ, knowing that our Lord will one day remove the curse of sin altogether (Revelation 22:3).

[@robmarshall956]

You have misapplied the context. To be dead to sin does not mean we are sinless. Paul made clear that he continued to struggle with temptation and sin: “For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it” (Romans 7:19-20). If Paul could call himself the “worst of sinners” (1 Timothy 1:16), then we should certainly expect to continue our conflict with sin until we reach heaven. To be dead to sin means we no longer need to be controlled by our sin nature. Romans 6:17 teaches that “though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance.” Before Christ, we are “slaves” to sin. Now we have a new Master. Sin continues to exist, but we are no longer dominated by it. As Christians, we have God’s Spirit within us to empower us. However, we still face temptation and must strive to stand against sin. We can live “dead to sin” as we follow Christ, knowing that our Lord will one day remove the curse of sin altogether (Revelation 22:3). Through the death of Jesus, the believer has died, and his life is now “hidden with Christ in God” (Colossians 3:3). We are new creations in Christ; the old life of sin under the law is gone, and a new life of spiritual freedom under God’s grace has begun (2 Corinthians 5:17). If we are truly dead, we are free from sin’s influence. The penalty for sin has been paid, and we no longer must answer to sin’s dominion over us. God counts Christians dead to sin because of their identification with the death and resurrection of Christ. If God considers us dead to sin, we must also think of ourselves as dead to sin’s dominion. If God says it is so, then we must believe it. Counting yourself dead to sin means you “don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect” (Romans 12:2, NLT). In Romans 6:12-13, Paul firmly cautions believers to make a clean break from their old sinful ways of living: “Do not let sin control the way you live; do not give in to sinful desires. Do not let any part of your body become an instrument of evil to serve sin. Instead, give yourselves completely to God, for you were dead, but now you have new life. So use your whole body as an instrument to do what is right for the glory of God” (Romans 6:12-13, NLT). Peter affirms that Jesus carried our sins in His body on the cross so that we could be dead to sin’s dominance and live to do what is right for God’s glory (1 Peter 2:24). Sin shall not have dominion over you when you offer your body “as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship” (Romans 12:1). Before salvation, we lived under the law. Sin was our master because adhering to legalistic rules could not give us the power to resist sin. “So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4, NLT). The law merely served to reveal our weakness and failure. God’s amazing grace in the form of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is the only thing sufficient to empower us to live according to the Holy Spirit’s control. Walking in the truth of our salvation does not mean we will never sin again. We have the choice not to sin, and we have the grace of God empowering us not to sin, but we are still human and imperfect. The apostle John says, “If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us” (1 John 1:10). When we fall short of the mark, we have an advocate or legal representative in Jesus Christ, “the one who is truly righteous,” who pleads our case before the Father (1 John 2:1, NLT). John explains, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). God responds in grace and mercy toward our human weakness because Jesus Christ died for our sins to give us His righteousness. Sin shall not have dominion over you as a Christian because the grace of God saves you and enables you to turn away from “godless living and sinful pleasures” and “live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God” (Titus 2:11-12, NLT).

[@tomgregory687]

@@robmarshall956 So you are dead but you’re still alive?

[@sunrisedino9066]

I’ve been watching your videos for the last few hours after having found them for the first time. I’ve been a Christian since a child and at the age of 55, for the first time in my life, I don’t feel like I’m destined for hell. Thank you so much and God bless you.

[@glenmorse9533]

I spent years in legalism and could never understand what Paul went through here in Romans 7 until after the last several years of coming out of that. I thank you for explaining that in such an understandable way, that makes my day, and that makes me happy!

[@garymc201]

Thank you brothers, I have struggled with Roman's 7, wondering would a Jew delight in God's law, and yet find myself often crying out oh wretched man that I am. So thank you for today's podcast it really helped me.

[@sirvicemanone]

Jews DO delight in God's law.... Just read psalms and proverbs and here Paul explains it. We (Jews) are delighted to be the Chosen people and happy to moment to moment try and fulfil as much of the law as we possibly can All of the children of Abraham are looking for the Messiah to come. Unfortunately, many of us don't know He already has come. Go let others know what's up! 🙏🙌👍💞

[@cynthiahunter2570]

@@sirvicemanone When I read your particular comment about “trying to keep as much of the law as you possibly can,” I immediately thought of: For whoever shall keep the whole law but offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[@brianc81]

@@cynthiahunter2570 Right! NO can keep the law. Anyone that says they can or don't sin is a LIAR and there is no truth in them. I John 1:8-10.

[@chriscleland7008]

@@sirvicemanone Chosen people. That status ended with the beginning of the new covenant, remember? The Bible actually says they now are under a curse.

[@tomgregory687]

@@sirvicemanone All you have left is to acknowledge your Messiah and He will free you from struggling with sin. (John 8:32-36) Those Jews who acknowledge their Messiah are part of the New Covenant CHOSEN. (1 Peter 2:9, Matthew 22:14)

[@childofGod75731]

I'm there everyday and feel like this😢

[@tomgregory687]

Then you need to be set free. Jesus said that anyone who commits sin in the slave of sin and has no part in the forever house. (John 8:34) Then He promises to set you free indeed. (John 8:35) After Paul gave that discourse about how a man, under the LAW, struggles because the law of sin is still working in him leading to death, he goes on in chapter 8:1-3, to say that the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus frees us from the law of sin and death. Struggling with sin doesn’t have to be your daily experience, You can know the truth, and the TRUTH will make you FREE! (John 8:32)

[@johnauchtung8426]

For me this answers my battle of addiction. I don’t want to do my addiction but my flesh loses that battle. It was not until my praise be unto God moment that I was able to be able to have victory. It is a day by day awareness

[@JustJennie147]

This might be my favorite podcast you guys have ever done. ❤

[@DannoRomann]

thanks for this amazing video podcast

[@tomhitchcock8195]

This passage and this subject has been one of the most encouraging Thanks

[@22hairless]

So glad to have found your ministry!

[@Outrider74]

Glad you guys did this one. There are far too many in the Calvinist/Reformed camp who express agreement with this truth, but will turn around and "sweep it under the rug" in their preaching and teaching. A few supporting verses from your resident "Lutheran at the back of the class" to bolster this point: 1.) Ecclesiastes 7:20-I'm pretty sure Solomon is including himself in this class of people. 2.) Matthew 6:12-As Jesus intends the Lord's Prayer to be used in our daily lives, it seems odd to say that He instructs us to pray for forgiveness regularly if we are not still struggling with sin. 3.) Galatians 5:17-St. Paul's verse here makes it clear that we still wrestle with our flesh. 4.) I John 1:8-10-St. John, in saying "if we say we have no sin," is not speaking to pre-conversion unbelievers; he is speaking to Christians. That's a potent point. 5.) I John 2:1-The assurance of Jesus Christ as our Advocate to the Father seems pointless if the expectation is that we will not be in sin at some point.

[@robbieg.3462]

I’m not sure what you mean as I don’t see reformed teachers ‘sweeping this under the rug’. Just because we still struggle with sin does not mean there is a loss of salvation. The reformed or Calvinist will just affirm that the work God has begun in a person will be seen thru to completion (Phil 1:6)

[@Outrider74]

@@robbieg.3462 I've read John MacArthur's "The Gospel According to Jesus" and have listened to several of his sermons in which he relentlessly beats the drum of "needing to be totally surrendered" to Christ. I'm aware of Mark Jones' book "Antinomianism" which comes DANGEROUSLY close to pushing a salvation by works (a sentiment also echoed by John Piper). I've read Kevin DeYoung mention Romans 7 in a manner that at the very least came across as casting doubt on the idea that Paul's struggle was a pre-conversion phenomenon. So yes, it can and does happen in the Reformed/Calvinist church, and as an ex-Calvinist I know what I heard. Do all Calvinists go this far? Probably not. Would the men I mentioned, if cornered, admit that Christians still sin? I'm sure they would. But I get the sense that they are quite reluctant to do so, and part of this, I'm sure, comes from the Puritan influence in Calvinism in the form of a heavy emphasis on sanctification (not that different from Wesley in some ways). I get that we want Christians to live holy lives, and rightly so. The danger comes in thinking that sermons have to be overtly law-heavy to the exclusion of the gospel. The Theocast guys echo confessional Lutheranism in that they point out that the gospel is not just for the unconverted unbeliever, but also for the believer, as it needs to be heard for 1.) our comfort and 2.) the empowerment for our mortification of the flesh.

[@robbieg.3462]

@@Outrider74 the reformed position is that of a progressive sanctification throughout the life of the believer, starting at conversion, but not a final sanctification until rid of the mortal body. But I agree, I don’t subscribe to a law-heavy gospel message. Paul is clear in Romans 6 that we should consider ourselves ‘dead to sin and alive to God in Christ’. Meaning that we should live our lives without letting sin reign over us (although we are still guilty of it) we are now bound to Christ and therefore dead to sin because of that. I’m not a huge fan of MacArthur, I disagree with him on things, but the historical reformed position doesn’t promote perfectionism. Regarding pipers take on it, he simply believes that a genuine faith WILL produce fruits of the spirit and of repentance (although I think he could have worded his position a lot better than he has in the past), he’s not wrong. Clearly a faith in Christ that is real and genuine should have fruits of the spirit and of repentance (James 2:26) Even the thief on the cross showed the fruit of repentance and love for Christ in that moment before death.

[@Outrider74]

That’s a fair position, and confessional Lutheranism is essentially the same.

[@foxtalk33]

Right on brothers. It's all about Jesus!!!!

[@tomgregory687]

It’s all about Jesus setting us FREE from sin . (John 8:32-36)

[@childofGod75731]

This is where I'm at right now I've given my life to God and I love him so much and I accept Jesus Christ and I have a contrite heart and a broken Spirit everyday and what Paul says resonates with me cuz that's how I feel daily will Jesus still accept me I don't veer to sin but it happens and I'm back to feeling horrible..like if I'm having a bad day and say things u hate

[@Muzicboy3]

Hopefully the Lord is sanctifying you through whatever you’re going through. Dealing with the flesh is a battle, and we will fall and sometimes struggle in certain areas during our walk. And we will never be perfect. But run to Christ and fight the fight and hopefully God delivers your completely from whatever you’re struggling with or at least gives you some kind of victory over it …

[@tomgregory687]

Paul said you are free from sin as a believer if you’ve been baptized into Him. ( Romans 6:1-7)

[@stacijohousman9391]

Read the book No Longer I. I would have to disagree with these guys. What they are saying still leaves us in that miserable/striving state of obedience. Vs what this book’s interpretation of Romans says it’s about having the faith to know that I am In Christ. And thus bc I know that Christ is in me I can say no to whatever temptation. The book explains it more throughly. (Apple Podcasts audiobook for free too)

[@timothydavis3167]

Now that we know this, how do we fight sin? Sure, I realize that God loves us deeply even when we sin. And there is incredible freedom in knowing that it doesn't separate us from him. That we are no longer condemned. That we are still considered holy and dearly loved. But the bigger question is, how do we fight ongoing sin? It's one thing to fall back into the arms of God's grace, and quite another thing to battle with sin that is harming us and even others. I'd love for you guys to speak to that.

[@daniellim8964]

Romans 7 is about Paul being a new creation, evidenced by a new struggle with sin and goodness.

[@cynthiarobinsmith3712]

Paul answers how christians fight sin: "o wretched man that I am . . . who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God, Jesus Christ our Lord . . ." This means sins' antidote is looking to Christ. Hearing the "Word of Christ" the Gospel! (Not the Law because the law drives a sinner to Christ and will frustrate christians if they only look to the law.) Gazing deeply into the Gospel, through the ordinary means of grace: Word of Christ preaching, Holy communion (where Jesus nourishes the souls of His people), prayer/absolution via the covenant congregation on the Lord's Day. Christians need regular preaching of the Gospel to strengthen them on their pilgrimage to the Age to Come. (Read Romans in order. Chpt. 5, 6, 7, 8. Never disconnect the order and sequence of these chapters. They fully explain justification AND sanctification.

[@patricklehane8914]

Amazing conversation and commentary on Romans 7. Thank you.

[@ryanjamietaylor1134]

Whole heartedly agree. If he was an unbeliever he wouldn't have such a struggle with sin. Unbelievers are *dead* in sin so their attitude is nothing like what Paul is describing.

[@ryanjamietaylor1134]

@@davidfayfield6594 yes, an unbeliever is spiritually dead.

[@tomgregory687]

He was a believer in the Old Testament Judaism which was an unregenerate man desiring to keep a Holy, Just, and good Law. Jesus freed him from that in Romans 6:7-8. Study the scriptures not these seminary trained twisters of the words of the apostles and Jesus. If you commit sin it’s because you are a slave to sin and you have no place in God’s forever house! (John 8:32-36)

[@tomgregory687]

Believers don’t struggle with sin. Only with temptation from which God always supplies a way to escape that we may be able to bear it. (1 Corinthians 10:13) If your still struggling with sin come to Jesus and He will give you rest. (Matthew 11:28-30)

[@ryanjamietaylor1134]

@@tomgregory687 are you saying believers never sin?

[@tomgregory687]

@@ryanjamietaylor1134 Only if you’ve been saved from sin. Oh, wait that’s what a believer is! (1 John 3:8-9)

[@childofGod75731]

Ty brothers I needed this

[@garykcarpenter]

Excellent content my friends!

[@kierenwuest8457]

Thank you so much

[@EricBryant]

Bravo. Lord have mercy on us.

[@shannonadams8871]

There is no greater pleasure than Christ our greatest treasure.

[@mOYNTdnbzso]

For the vast majority of my life as a Christian, I understood Romans 7 in the manner you are describing. However, recently I gave this all a little more thought, and now CANNOT reconcile Romans 6 with this understanding of Romans 7. I now see these chapters as describing two mutually states of being. I don't see how they can exist within a single person. Compare: Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. with Rom 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. or Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. or Rom 6:16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? It seems to me that chapters 6 & 7 represent states of being that stand in stark contrast with one another. I really cannot reconcile them. People often try to sort of qualify these verses to say something like you are saying, e.g. "a Christian sins, but they grieve when they sin." That is true, of course, and of course Christians are in an entrenched war against the flesh, and of course Christians are not saved by their victories in that war, but they are justified apart from works. Nonetheless, I do not think Romans 7 describes the Christian. It stands way too far in contrast the commands Paul gives for the CHRISTIAN in Romans 6.

[@cynthiahunter2570]

“Let not sin reign” does not mean a saint won’t sin, it means it won’t completely rule.

[@brianc81]

Romans 7 CLEARLY describes the Christian as Paul is speaking to the BRETHREN..SEE verse 1 for context for whom he is speaking to....secondly, to look to your salvation by pretending you have stopped sinning or think you can stop sinning would be WORKS!

[@mOYNTdnbzso]

​@@cynthiahunter2570 Correct, in that rejecting sin's reign doesn't mean we are sinlessly perfect, and I would never suggest anything like that. My own life would belie that pretense; however: 1. It doesn't mean that we are to willingly give accommodate any role for sin in our lives. "Don't let sin reign" doesn't mean sin should be afforded any sort of lesser role. There is no such thing as a "role for sin," or "some lessor position than royalty for sin" in our lives. We are supposed to kill sin. We are supposed to be in a pitched hardcore battle against sin. Our justification is not dependent on this, but the fulfillment of our role as Christians is. Those who are not fighting sin in their lives are like a soldier who sits down on a tree stump and smokes a cigarette while his fellow soldiers die bloody deaths fighting the enemy. We are supposed to hate and kill sin. 2. All I'm really saying (independent of what role or place sin may have in our lives) is that I see Romans 6 & 7 standing in stark contrast to one another. I am not saying that sin doesn't many times beset us and that we don't surrender to it. Regardless of that discussion, I am making the simple point that I don't see Romans 7 representing the Christian's struggle with sin. How can it? Look at: "Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out."....NOT THE ABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT? WHAT?...Christians are bound up by sin and coerced into obeying unrighteousness? This stands in stark contrast to the commands in Romans 6, such as: "Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, Rom 6:18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. " This is not some kind of sinless perfection, and nor does it deny Christians sin. It is stated (in I John?) that if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, one Jesus Christ the righteous. So, I really can no longer see Romans 7 as a description of the Christian's battle with sin. If it is, then it depicts a losing battle, and Romans 6 (and other scriptures) make it clear that we are NOT in a losing battle.

[@mOYNTdnbzso]

@@brianc81 Reference my comment to Cynthia Hunter. Nowhere in my discussion do I state that the Christian needs to pretend he/she has stopped sinning. That is kinda way off the point I'm making, and sorry, but a sort of straw man.

[@brianc81]

@jasonr9678 Quote me a real Bible, not a perverted translation. You didn't answer anything. Romans 7 is CLEARLY speaking to the BELIEVER..the context of whom is given in verse 1

[@twentyfourthrones]

Very well said! You two are great expositors of the bible.

[@JoshWashington]

Ive been reflecting on those who argue the speakers comments are not merely descriptive of his experience, rather prescriptive for Christians. Their primary motive seems to be wanting to comfort those struggling with sin reassuring them this does not mean they are really unbelievers or have fallen away. Rather it used to reassure struggling believers this is normal and to keep persevering in trust. Fair enough, there are people in scripture who have judged themselves sinful before the Lord (cf. Lk 5.8; 18.13; maybe 1 Tim 1.15). Struggling with win is an ongoing battle in a believers life. I've come to read Rom 7.7-25 a little more on its own terms now rather than simply showing how it conflicts with the scripture around it. Regardless of who the speaker is, he continually disassociates himself, his desires and wants from those of 'Sin'. Just read the passage and see how many times the speaker distinguishes himself from sin. So an exegetical point is to highlight the difference between 1) recognising and grieving over sin in ones life and taking responsibility for that and 2) disassociating oneself from responsibility for those sins and placing the blame on 'Sin' (in the flesh). - which is what Rom 7.7-25 keeps on doing, with the intended destination that sin in the flesh is condemned - given a death sentence (Rom 8.3) and those in the Spirit not captive to it are exhorted to put it to death (Rom 8.13). The clear personification of 'Sin', disassociation from it, and laying the blame on it for spiritual death rather than himself I think clashes with the normative experience of a believer struggling with sin and recognising it in their own lives. I don't think the normal thinking process for believers struggling with sin have is to dissociate themselves from it, refuse to take responsibility for it and blame something other than themselves - this is what Rom 7.7-25 does. Even if one looks back on their sinful behaviour. I would expect that person to take responsibility for it, expressing regret and remorse, not blaming someone else (cf. 1 Cor 10.13; 2 Cor 7.10). Otherwise having an experience where some force is controlling your actions while your own heart-mind-will-desire rebels against it but is unable to do anything about it really seems like a dissociative identity disorder. A mental health condition where you have two or more separate personalities that control your behavior at different times. In this case both a person is aware some other power has control over them making them do what they don't want to do. This is literally what the speaker keeps on saying. Really push this and I suspect we can argue Paul is using a rhetorical device - not normative Christian experience. Normative Christian experience is faith working through love, not sin.

[@markdiblasi3061]

We can’t stop sin, but because of being crucified with Christ we stop being the one who does it. How do you get still out of no longer, about sin.

[@markdiblasi3061]

But now it is no longer the I who do it but sin that lives in me Rom 7:17. He condemned sin in the flesh. Rom 8:3. He didn’t condemn the flesh but sin in the flesh.

[@paul3441]

Use of the present tense in Romans 7 is a stumbling block God laid for the lukewarm. And these two have fallen headlong into error.

[@Studio54MediaGroup]

A Romans 7 burger is better with the two buns on it of Romans 6 and 8 that tells me I CAN stop sinning. Paul was taking about Saul, the old man under the law. Seems like someone could use a lesson from II Peter 1:3-12 (KJV).

[@tomgregory687]

@@Studio54MediaGroupBig Amen to that. God has given us ALL THINGS that pertain to life and godliness. If we do these thing we shall NEVER fall! Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift!

[@Manofwar7]

Indeed you CAN stop sinning! My question is have you????​@@Studio54MediaGroup

[@Manofwar7]

​@@tomgregory687Amen brothers. We CAN stop sinning. So I have a simple question. Have you???? Love to know.

[@markdiblasi3061]

Get me a new body with no sin living in it ,and I will be happy. The wretched man is the new man because he has to live with the old man.

[@grantsmith3281]

Please explain why, at the 24:15 mark, we are told that we need to have a "Covenant Understanding" to know that God is redeeming the world and there is an already not yet factor to this? What does a "Covenant Understanding" have to do with that? This is a textbook use of the False Equivelancy Fallacy in order to further the highly controversial and nowhere close to universally accepted Covenant Theology system.

[@medic4christ777]

What kind of person really finds this passage difficult to relate to? What kind of "Christian" really has convinced themselves that Christians don't struggle with sin, and that they don't sin anymore? I am really trying to wrap my head around that level of delusion.

[@joelmorder9780]

More and more seem to. I've met Christians that basically seem to think they have all but been perfected. They will confess they're not perfect when asked, but then go on about how you can't keep sinning and expect to be saved. Basically, a salvation dependent on your ability to "be good."

[@medic4christ777]

@@joelmorder9780 I have seen the same brother. Sounds like they need to read the sermon on the mount again and internalize it. It was spoken to them.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@medic4christ777it’s not sin that the Christian struggles with. It’s staying dead. As Paul said, “how can we who died to sin live any longer in it?”

[@medic4christ777]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pz Lol what? So we are going to rename sin? What is breaking Gods law called? A mistake? An error? No. It’s called sin. We still commit sin. He just doesn’t IMPUTE it to the believer.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@medic4christ777 can a dead dog bite you? I’m not saying a dog can’t bite you or “renaming” what a dog bite is. I’m saying that if the dog is dead he won’t be able to bite you.

[@mrpadillaofficial]

This is very helpful brothers. One thing though, how can you have rest when one keeps hurting others because of your sins, especially spouse and children?

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

Hmm for me the greatest temptations are the sins that don’t seem like they are hurting anyone. I have way more self control when it comes to hurting people. I just don’t find it at all enjoyable to think I’m causing someone fear anxiety or pain. On the other hand, having ice cream after being full from dinner is harder to overcome because I enjoy ice cream & I guess if it is hurting me then I don’t seem to mind as much or I don’t see it hurting me that much even though I know gluttony is a sin. Our command is to “love one another” so I find it really difficult to disobey that command. I have no desire not to love others but maybe I’m blind to how gluttony is hurting others & I just need a revelation.

[@blank-964]

Good stuff

[@william7108]

I'm glad I just happened to us this Romans 7 because I've been battling The f l e s h and kind of forgot about the war with the Flash and the spirit but even though the spirit said well or I was talking to myself and was saying to myself well when I pass from this life to the next life I won't have this battle anymore but I was still thinking that the battle going on is something that I should be able to Prevail against and when you get into that prevailing part sometimes it just drains you but understanding the Dynamic of perspective of the war of the Flesh and the spirit really actually puts the entire perspective into a rational and reasoning and Temperance to the mind so you can actually breathe and regenerates your normality and energy that's why it's so good to well to be in the words but if you have the videos like this which came in just as handy as probably a bill collector saying I'll give you another month to pay that bill when you thought you had to pay it like tomorrow and you go ah thanks guys your timing was absolutely perfect well with God and everything is possible brooding continually is not healthy it zaps you but it definitely keeps you aware but knowing the remedies is the cure thank God thank Jesus for covering all the bases so we can live in harmony and our hope is not derailed thanks again

[@johndodson8464]

Sinful desire arises from a false belief in my heart. Sinful desire starts from a PROPOSITION.

[@auriafelix3742]

Hi, my name is Auria I need prayer and transformation and breakthrough 😔. I don't like the way I am my mouth is my big problem. God help me 😔😔😔

[@dellRussell-dl1qt]

Have you ever made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ?

[@jeanchamoun2366]

I am recently come to faith in Christ after reading the Bible. I know that I am a Protestant but after watching your videos I am sure I am not Calvinist or Reformed because I dont believe in predestination (I believe that only if we choose to believe in the Word then we are saved) I also dont believe in infant baptism I also believe in the Five Solas so does that make me a Presbyterian?

[@relativelyobjective6412]

I believe that can be any variety of Protestant. Calvanism/Reformed is a widely discussed topic among Protestants, but Protestantism as a whole generally affirms the Five Solas and only affirms a Believer's Baptism. For example, Mike Winger is a Calvary Chapel pastor, not Presbyterian, yet agrees with everything you just stated.

[@brianc81]

that's because you're under the strong delusion spoken of in II thess 2. particularly verses 10-15 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

[@btodd777]

No Presbyterians believe in infant baptism

[@jeanchamoun2366]

@@relativelyobjective6412 So is it possible to be born-again evangelical but not reformed?

[@relativelyobjective6412]

@@jeanchamoun2366 It sounded like the other guy disagrees, but I would say yes it’s possible, but you will probably be living with some cognitive dissonance. If Jesus saves, then your actions can’t override the actions of Jesus, and if you aren’t saved solely by Jesus, then you’re, in part, saved by yourself (ie works)

[@joelthompson7064]

Paul does not say, "Wretched man that I used to be!!" But "Wretched man that I am!!"

[@tomgregory687]

He’s using the present tense hypothetically to illustrate the struggle of those who love the Law but don’t have a savior to destroy the sin nature as it says in verses 5@6. If you read the context with an open heart you will understand.

[@KeithGreenshields]

​@@tomgregory687wow, you have no sinful nature? You are perfect?

[@tomgregory687]

@@KeithGreenshieldsBy the grace of God, I am what I am. (Philippians 2:13) If God is working in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure, how can you sin? Are you saying that sin is God’s will and His good pleasure working in you?

[@KeithGreenshields]

@@tomgregory687 We have 2 natures one that is born again and does not sin and the other is from our Adam line born of flesh. We can't overcome the flesh but only by faith in Christ and the renewing of our mind according to the true knowledge of God we grow and learn to walk as Jesus did, dependent upon the Father. This is a lifetime journey but we will always sin in the flesh. Paul said he is the chief of sinners, James says if anyone says they are without sin, they are liars. Christians who are authentic will struggle with sin to the day they day, they, as I hate sin but it happens yet God uses it for His purpose to bring about His good will through the sanctification process. Let's be real, the day we accepted Christ, we had zero clue about what was ahead of us. Sin by no means is ever ok and it is a means to seek the Lord in prayer etc. Sin is never wasted but used just as heat is used to produce a diamond. Read about the potter and the clay or read about the refiners fire (all in the bible). I could mention the kingdom teachings about the seed planted and went deep into the ground and died, then it produced much fruit. I could mention the man that found treasure in a field and sold everything to purchase it. I can say much but that is enough.

[@MrPt7]

​​@@tomgregory687so then, you are actually saying that you don't sin? Just as @keithgreenshield said. You don't make sense, no one can not ever not sin again, only Jesus Christ lived a sinless life.

[@Amilton5Solas]

the Lord gave us a sword not a pillow!

[@markdiblasi3061]

We are still operating in the old covenant where a reminder of sin every year, but in the new covenant your sins are remembered no more. Why we still sin is we think and bring it back up, forget it.

[@gisfwmy]

Hi, i really enjoyed this podcast as a new listener. As a biblical counselor, it would be helpful to give some homework, or anything that a man can work on, ie; discipline/self-control....1 Corinthians 9: 24-25 24 thank you

[@markdiblasi3061]

But now it is no longer I who do it but sin that lives in me. Rom7:17.

[@theloniouscoltrane3778]

Great podcast; poor audio. 😢

[@SonzOfEnoch]

I struggle with a very high Labido Sex Drive as an unmarried man the burning desire of the flesh for Lust is overpowering and overwhelming a lot of times' i also struggled with Cocaine Addiction and Sex Addiction in one they both went go went hand in hand' was a Lustful Sex and Cocaine addict for 15 years now since ive become a Christian ive fought against it and thru the help of Jesus Christ ive managed to Battle 70% of the Urges which is progress but sometimes i fall weak into the Flesh and end up Sinning with Cocaine and Sexual Immorality' sometimes the heat gets turned up on my 100% Max where i could just cry inside of how powerful the urges are to do it' but fight it as much as i can but im not always successful and it hurts every time i fall short doing it i feel the worst feeling of Conviction and Failure and self Hatred for myself' i hate my Sinful Flesh i hope Christ will take it all away.

[@truthnow902]

Exactly sin will not have dominion over believers 100 percent right we are not under the law we are under grace because, if we were under the law we could not stop sining so this is why Jesus had to come and die as a perfect man in the flesh 4-Hour sins now because of this we are saved by Grace now since 99% of people don't know what the word Grace means people think that Jesus came on Earth to die for our sins so after we accept him we can continue sining and to live like the non-believers and we will be saved this is what everybody is preaching how does this make sense to me it sounds very foolish because what's the difference if you believe or you don't believe the demons believe they're not saved if you're going to follow Christ and take up your cross and not be transformed and still live like a non-believer you can still be saved please share this excuse with me I really got to hear this one!!!

[@ashleychristine-ld3yj]

You are under a strong delusion. You refuse to listen to the text but also you lack the Holy Spirit. You are a sinner and you are choosing to put your effort into failing miserably at keeping the law. If you don't put your faith in Jesus Christ and repent from your wickedness your going to face judgment. Salvation comes through the finished work of Christ. Satan has a chokehold on you and the Bible say resist the devil and he will flee. Stop. Just reject this lie. Until you accept Jesus you are a slave to sin. Who the Son sets free is free indeed. Your work are an abomination, filthy rags. God Himself has given Salvation in Jesus Christ alone.

[@Lij_MC]

Originally there were no chapter divisions It all flows from Romans 6:22-23 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Hang on why does it say the wages of sin is death here in Romans 6 after we've been justified and after we've been sanctified It then goes on to say the we are to serve in newness of the spirit not oldness of the letter 7:6 Paul then goes on in Romans 7 how serving in the oldness of the letter just exposes our sinfulness our old nature That's why in Romans 8 we now serve in newness of the spirit because Christ has fulfilled the Law His righteousness is imputed unto us who WALK not after the flesh but after the spirit Then it goes on to say Romans 8:12-14 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Compare verse 13 with Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So hang on our walk shows whether your a believer Again contrast the second half of verse 13 with 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Hang on we are to depart from iniquity... Isn't that a command? But I thought any commands after justification were just suggestions otherwise they would be adding Law to our justification adding Law to Grace Shame on you Reformed for twisting the BELIVERS obedience to God through the Spirit and twisting it up in your Law Grace conundrum and saying that that would be adding to our justification it would be getting right with God by the flesh getting right by Law Here is what Grace says Titus 2:11-13 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Do we as Believers have 2 nature's Yes absolutely BUT through Christ we are Commanded to put it to death John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Departing from Iniquity and putting to death the deeds of the body through the spirit ARE HIS COMMANDMENTS for the believer in Christ Can we keep them perfectly No Christ has kept them perfectly for us and His righteousness is imputed unto us that walk not after the flesh but after the spirit 1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

[@ibperson7765]

17:15 But rom 6:1-10 says the old nature dies in baptism (?)

[@gabrielpastor317]

But in what sence? If your old nature is completely dead, do you no longer sin? Please dont feel i'm attacking you, I find true in what you said, however I struggle to see that statement as one might understanding in the sence that if my old nature is dead, why is there still a battle between my flesh and the Spirit?

[@ibperson7765]

@@gabrielpastor317 yeah that’s a good point. I do believe the “body of sin”, i.e. the sinner, is crucified with Christ and buried in baptism, so that we can still sin, but we are not sinners with a sin nature who want to sin. We just don’t know and/or dint remember who we are. Like it says somewhere in James.. when we sin we’re like a man who saw his face in the mirror, and then walked away and forgot who he was. That’s my take atm.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

26:00 That is your members that are warring with the your desire to do all God's will. "To will is present with me", that is the inner man. As these old desires come flooding back, even like you said, when praying, it mindlessly comes back, say your subconscious. So I disagree that our flesh has its own mind, this is the sin imputed to ilus from Adam, much like the free gift life.

[@landonbrake2581]

I think the answer that ties all this is Romans 8:3. The ultimate element is that Christ condemned sin into the flesh. I see this as God imprisoning sin into the body allowing for 2 natures. what I mean by this is by imprisoning sin into the flesh a Christian can now be regenerated in the Spirit and have a righteous nature and a fallen nature. That's why Paul contrasts Spirit vs flesh so much. That's also why sin is always associated with the flesh for Paul. That's why Romans 12 and others versus, sanctification is always the defeating and beating of the flesh. such as the flesh being our sacrifice, presenting our members as righteous, etc. Notice that Paul says, who will rid me of this body of death. So I think that Romans 7 speaks clearly that we as Christians have two natures, a holy and righteous spirit in Christ and a fallen sinful flesh. That is why we as Christians we continue to sin and struggle and yet we are victorious and free in Christ.

[@jason-s8c]

What’s your view on Islam and Jesus In Islam?

[@william7108]

I always thought how cool it would be that when you receive the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sin which can be a pretty harrowing situation in itself but anyway my point was that we became sinless pristine perfect and it was impossible to sin again but I know that's not the case but how glorious that would be cuz definitely that battle with the flesh does suck for sure and the other scripture might be worth mentioning walk in the spirit so you don't gratify the lust of the flesh I'm sure there's a whole teaching on that for sure anyway good spiritual teaching here guys love it take care

[@davestephen8679]

Why so many interruptions utube with commercials especially Harris anti God running for president on Christian podcast?

[@Myjesus-1]

The Apostle Paul was not a sinner. He was converted to righteousness after he met Jesus. Paul said - Romans 8:9 "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you."

[@MrPt7]

But he could still sin

[@Myjesus-1]

The apostle Paul believed it was necessary to stop sinning. He said: 1 Corinthians 15:33-34 "Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character. Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-I say this to your shame." You are corrupting others by contradicting the word of God with this video. You talk the opposite of God's true servants.

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

I haven't watched the video but i disagree with the premise of the title already

[@Fred_the_Head]

We sin because we are sinners. Only through faith in G-d and in dwelling of His Holy Spirit is anyone capable of not sinning. Nevertheless, faith and belief in Messiah’s atoning sacrifice we are made righteousness in G-d’s eyes.

[@Mike65809]

But I thought the spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death? Notice that Paul mentions the Law of Moses many times in Romans 7:14-25 (six times). Christians are not under the Law of Moses, since they have died to it in Christ as he stated earlier in the chapter. Most probably Christians struggle with sin and the Law since they don't realize they are no longer under it. Paul makes it clear in Romans 8 we "have been set free from this law of sin and death by the spirit if life in Christ." We are not to try and be justified by keeping the Law.. This brings worse bondage and condemnation.

[@ThyWordIsTruthJ17]

Listen. If your interpretation of Romans 7 leads you to insist that we cannot cease from sin even with the Spirit then you are absolutely misinterpreting that chapter. Romans 6 and 8 are perfectly clear about the choice we have to yield to the Spirit and be enabled to obey the righteous law of God. The clear issue with Romans 7 is that it is a man-centered, self-sufficient approach to obedience (it is the exact replica of the Old Covenant--Ex. 19:8). Notice how there is no dependence on Jesus or grace or the Holy Spirit. There is simply the unending cyclical discovery of the complete inability of the flesh to consistently obey. Paul is simply expanding upon the Old Man concept of Romans 6 which must be crucified or that old sinful nature will lead us to sin like a law (like gravity). Jesus plainly taught that without Him we can do nothing. (John 15:5). If there is going to be any consistent true bedience in our lives, any righteousness, then it will be by grace through the Spirit by faith. Jesus is both the Author (justification) and Finisher (sanctification) of our faith. Once you stop trying to obey and surrender to Jesus to obey in you then you will experientially learn the reality of righteousness by faith AND YOU WILL NEVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU GOD IS NOT ABLE TO KEEP US FROM FALLING. HE IS ABLE.

[@ernestrodriguez9649]

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[@ernestrodriguez9649]

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[@soteriology1012]

If as you say water (which you say in your metaphor is God's grace) always flows down hill then if Jesus Christ is at the origin point of grace then is God's grace always carrying us away from Jesus Christ at the origin point? To me as I was taught as a child down \/ is a direction represents Hell and up /\ represents Heaven. To me this sounds like a dilemma. God's grace is then carrying us away from God into the pits of Hell? God's law then is us climbing up out of the pits of Hell? If I seek not to damage my neighbor by polluting this world's resources then is grace wasting our present day environment? Yet so often the world is presented to us in Church as a can full of Pepsi that we Christians are supposed to suck the sweet out of then toss away the can leaving nothing for our lost neighbor or even future generations of our own? In this metaphor the Pepsi represents the petroleum in the ground. I am baffled at much of supposed Christian philosophy of stewardship too. It seems to me that ultimate love of neighbor would be to live in such a manner as to derive energy from Thorium in the LFTR/MSR manner which was already proven the most efficient safest possible source of nuclear energy by Alvin Weinberg, Glenn Seaborg, and Eugene Wigner, who gave us nuclear power but were far from happy with the solid fueled pressurized water reactors they invented also and would have preferred to use abundant thorium based molten salt heat transferred unpressurized FLiBe breeder reactors fueled bred and burnt fission products removed separated from each other and purified during operation. That amount of energy would enable human kind to totally recycle all the waste we as humans leave behind back into all the metals plastics fuels and products that sustains us not to mention the distillation of our sea water from the waste heat such would generate. The present way we use energy today and farm our lands and seas and transport ourselves and our goods and services to me appears to be the same as hatred of neighbor and self especially in the light of ever increasing human population. Of course you reformed Calvinists do not seem to care because you basically believe that most of humanity is cannon fodder because Christ did not die for them. So why worry about sewing and reaping when it comes to countries that generally embrace non Christian religions? God loves us and hates them anyway and will not punish us for our greed to secure their resources. Without healthy sustainable generally safe nuclear power mankind just by surviving is going to kill each other and of course amazing grace that saves the soul but really cares not for neighbor in the ultimate sense just does not care. Now we have algae blooms in the oceans because of our nitrate fertilizers. We have chicken nuggets where the whole farm is automated and whole chicks are fed into grinders that make the fillets we by at fast food places 🤮. Did you ever wonder why bone in chicken wings are more expensive that so called chicken fillets? And even when we order bone in wings they really do not look very healthy. Our food is basically killing us. Therefore if someone does come up with free energy inventions that give mankind the power to use abundant inexpensive or even free energy or cold fusion or even cosmic energy the government generally will come and seek to ruin threaten buy out shelve or ultimately assassinate any inventor or discoverer of abundant sustainable dirt cheap or free energy that needs little maintenance in sourcing. T he idea is to recycle everything we use just as if we lived on the moon mars or on a space station. We have to recycle everything we use back into its original elements or useful compounds like in a closed loop or our toxic wastes will spill into our environment or neighbors back yard. It takes a super abundance of sustainable energy to do that. Now we have fish farms where mercury and poly chlorinated bi-phenol's are messing us up and we are eating lots of sugar in the form of high fructose. If you really wanted to look where we are getting our food from today it might turn your stomach. This is all unnatural. I do not understand why God does not judge us for the manner we as a nation have withheld inventions and murdered inventors that could have prevented all of this pollution of our world. At some point the so called pragmatic economic powers that be will seek to curtail the liberties of the general public through brainwashing and culling of the human population. NO I believe Jesus Christ died for all men and somehow instead of evangelizing our mission fields we instead seek to send our armies to kill them in order to prosper us. If we as believers have escaped an eternal hell it so often appears we are creating a temporal hell on earth for us to reap what we have sewn and our neighbors and other nations too. If I am wrong this sure is what this whole world looks like to me through my eyes or any one who seeks to take a good hard look at it all. Should not Gods grace carry us upward to a better world instead of ruining the one we have now and turning it into a hell? Should not the world around us be a little better because we were here instead of becoming more polluted?

[@001matol]

So the unbeliever and the believer look the exact same on the outside? got it.

[@charlesgilbert5682]

I John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doeth not commit sin; I John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

[@MrPt7]

And so you are yet another one that is saying that you don't sin? You must be one mighty brother in Christ to never sin again, and doesn't sin, and not a sinner.

[@chrisarmstrong3200]

those under the arminian deception think they do not sin anymore because satan already has them deceived and does not attack them as he does those of us that understand the truth of gods word ,it is very obvious to us that they do still sin yet are somehow believing they are without sin ,they dont drink smoke or chew they dont go around with girls that do and think because they broke a few bad habits they are without sin .

[@ibperson7765]

Love these two, but disagree about rom 7

[@sirvicemanone]

Why would anyone think Paul wrote not as a Christian? What is a "confessional Christian" ? Where do you get all these words to describe the Word if God instead of focusing on the Word itself ? You obviously were not a Jewish person while myself,Paul and even Jesus were devout Jewish men the laws of Our forefathers inpacted every aspect of our lives. Jesus fulfilled the law all the inpossible details perfectly so the focus of a Christian believer is different...now we are saved by and have Grace so everything is changed to the "law" of love through Christ Jesus. Regeneratetive is a word that us not in and has nothing to do with the text so why make it up? If Paul wanted it to say regenerate it would say that....but it doesnt. Pauls Epistles are as much Gods Word as Genesis or the Gospels are The "Wretched man" part is a reference to a practice where a criminal was sentenced for a terrible crime and they actually attached closely a corpse to a criminal this criminal would drag it with them as it decomposed and it decayed and would stink and there was no escape from the misery of this dead body. No one would go near such a oerson It was a real penance in bible times. The law of sin was actually the difficulty of any man fulfilling the law of Moses which clearly exposed sin regardless of how hard anyone may try to fulfil the whole law which us why any Jew would convert and become a Christian. IMHO your"Pastoral suggestions" might focus more on scriptures which di explain it clearly and better than your attempts to language it differently although eventually i am pleased to see you did get around to quoting more scripture.👍🫶🙏🙌💞

[@truthnow902]

The corpse of the old nature keep on reading buddy I don't know how you're getting that that is not what it says yes he is right but that's when he was following the law this is why Jesus had to die for our sins so we can walk in righteousness just like Jesus did so we could be saved to make it back to heaven well let me rephrase that if we choose we want to be saved I have no idea how you're getting what you're getting because that's not saying that at all these I hear so many Christians they use that verse to justify their sin so they figure if Paul's doing it it's okay that they can do it it just keeps them in bondage of sin instead of in bondage by righteousness can't use that verse it doesn't work for what you wanted to work for what he is saying is this is the things he was doing when he was following the law but if you follow Jesus Christ you will not do these things anymore we live in righteousness just like our Lord and savior did it's really worse than I thought out there the devil is really twisting everything around and it's all in the name of keeping people Bound in sin.

[@chriscleland7008]

Can you tell us what the Bible says about LGBT?

[@THEOCAST]

It’s a sin

[@chriscleland7008]

@THEOCAST Doesn't it say its an 'abomination'? Doesn't the Lord even kill all the Benjamites in Judges that simply overlooked such a 'sin'?

[@chriscleland7008]

@THEOCAST It also says they are filled with ALL unrighteousness. I just got an email from my employer about celebrating 'pride' month. If Christian pastors do not stand up, who will? Pride, isn't that descriptive of the exact issue? And why do they use the word "pride" to describe their movement? Very telling for those with eyes to see.

[@13kimosabi13]

Are WE => the BOC => under the LAW ? Are we part of those covenants ? HARD NO. Our job is reconciliation. Why expect Non-believers to be righteous ? WE AREN'T => NOR ARE WE LOVING !

[@13kimosabi13]

@@chriscleland7008 You need to LEARN RIGHT DIVISION or you will continue in your chaos and confusion.

[@markdiblasi3061]

The carnal mind is at enimnty with God not subject to the law of God neither can it be.

[@truthnow902]

Exactly nobody can figure this out the law was there to teach us between right and wrong but the law would not stop us from doing what was wrong because of Satan and because of the old flesh so that's why Jesus had to come to die for us so because he died for us so he had to come to Earth to set an example so he got baptized he preached he healed these are all things that Christians are supposed to do if they have faith like they claim they do and don't forget about the one big one that Christians don't agree with he walked in righteousness so we are supposed to walk with him in righteousness when we follow the law we were not able to to do that but now we follow Christ now we are able to do it but the flesh tells us we're not able to do it do you see the LIE that devil is very deceiving I mean very deceiving you want proof I can back it up actually relatively easy just got to listen to the spirit and not the flesh😊

[@yllowbird]

A false statement was said that this is "what the saints have known." Romans 7:14:24 The majority of the saints believed this was not about Saved Apostle Paul. But instead, a Lost Convicted Jew under the Law. None of them believed this was about Saved Apostle Paul sinning until Augustine. Anyone can research and figure out what is true. Jews did and still do delight in Gods law. Paul even tells you he is writing to those under the Law aka Jews. They are conscious they break it and repent, but its a cycle. The concience is the inner man. And nothing in Romans 7 says that this man Romans 7:14-24 has the Holy Spirit. If you just read Romans 6 and Then 8 and then 7, you could see a massive shift that no one can rightfully explain away the contradictions. You can't be enslaved to sin and free from sin.. that's a contradiction. If you want to know more about this view please feel free to check out Reclaiming Christian Theology.

[@davidkinkaide1467]

I’ve seen this over and over and over especially with Baptists. They love to find verses to excuse the sinful nature. Blame it on the flesh. Blame it on satan. Blame it on sin itself. Blame everyone except themselves and then pretend they are born again. Hypocrites!!!!!

[@lawsonwilliamson4023]

Romans 2:1

[@Lij_MC]

Originally there were no chapter divisions It all flows from Romans 6:22-23 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Hang on why does it say the wages of sin is death here in Romans 6 after we've been justified and after we've been sanctified It then goes on to say the we are to serve in newness of the spirit not oldness of the letter 7:6 Paul then goes on in Romans 7 how serving in the oldness of the letter just exposes our sinfulness our old nature That's why in Romans 8 we now serve in newness of the spirit because Christ has fulfilled the Law His righteousness is imputed unto us who WALK not after the flesh but after the spirit Then it goes on to say Romans 8:12-14 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Compare verse 13 with Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So hang on our walk shows whether your a believer Again contrast the second half of verse 13 with 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Hang on we are to depart from iniquity... Isn't that a command? But I thought any commands after justification were just suggestions otherwise they would be adding Law to our justification adding Law to Grace Shame on you Reformed for twisting the BELIVERS obedience to God through the Spirit and twisting it up in your Law Grace conundrum and saying that that would be adding to our justification it would be getting right with God by the flesh getting right by Law Here is what Grace says Titus 2:11-13 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Do we as Believers have 2 nature's Yes absolutely BUT through Christ we are Commanded to put it to death John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Departing from Iniquity and putting to death the deeds of the body through the spirit ARE HIS COMMANDMENTS for the believer in Christ Can we keep them perfectly No Christ has kept them perfectly for us and His righteousness is imputed unto us that walk not after the flesh but after the spirit 1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

[@gabrielpastor317]

That is true. But then do you no longer sin? And if so, what or who do you blame for your own sin? if you blame it on yourself does it not confirm what romans 7 is saying? I think the point is not on what or who to blame for sin, but to recognize the sin we battle with everyday, there is no point on denying our everyday sin, but to find biblical guidance as to what to do with it, If we just say I should not sin as a christian, we would leave many of the new testament without use

[@paul3441]

Wow, 60 seconds in and already know this is a false teaching.

[@davidkinkaide1467]

Romans 7 The verse fake Christians like to quote as their excuse to sin card. How can you be “born again” and still desire to sin the same way you did when you were a slave to sin? What changed? Where is the new identity? If you still identify as a sinner after you are reborn of the Holy Spirit then what changed? What was renewed? What was transformed? You got it! Nothing changed! If you don’t see your identity as a Saint who has the potential to sin and desires to repent if and when you sin. This talk of always a sinner everyday is not Biblical. Satan is your daddy if you believe you will sin everyday after being reborn in Christ.

[@soyboytroy148]

I agree that willful, constant, unrestrained sinning is bad. Acting like you are saved as a habitual unrepentant sinner is at the very best a bad look. With that being said we need Christ to curb our sin. We should desire to live as good and perfect. The flip side to that is saying that any man who pretends that being saved makes them incapable of sinning. Even the most mighty men of God fell so hard into willful and habitual sin. David slept with a man’s wife, killed the man, then covered it up. Solomon took part in materialism and witchcraft. Ezekiel struggled with impure language. If we think we are trying harder than those mighty mighty men, we are either liars or fools.

[@Lij_MC]

There's is the false Reformed Calvinist system of belief I was stuck in this system for 5 years and found no victory over my lust and fornication issue because I always thought God would just change me instead of actively persuing God and repenting in obedience to Gods word which says no fornicator shall inherit the kingdom of God Originally there were no chapter divisions It all flows from Romans 6:22-23 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Hang on why does it say the wages of sin is death here in Romans 6 after we've been justified and after we've been sanctified It then goes on to say the we are to serve in newness of the spirit not oldness of the letter 7:6 Paul then goes on in Romans 7 how serving in the oldness of the letter just exposes our sinfulness our old nature That's why in Romans 8 we now serve in newness of the spirit because Christ has fulfilled the Law His righteousness is imputed unto us who WALK not after the flesh but after the spirit Then it goes on to say Romans 8:12-14 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Compare verse 13 with Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So hang on our walk shows whether your a believer Again contrast the second half of verse 13 with 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Hang on we are to depart from iniquity... Isn't that a command? But I thought any commands after justification were just suggestions otherwise they would be adding Law to our justification adding Law to Grace Shame on you Reformed for twisting the BELIVERS obedience to God through the Spirit and twisting it up in your Law Grace conundrum and saying that that would be adding to our justification it would be getting right with God by the flesh getting right by Law Here is what Grace says Titus 2:11-13 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Do we as Believers have 2 nature's Yes absolutely BUT through Christ we are Commanded to put it to death John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Departing from Iniquity and putting to death the deeds of the body through the spirit ARE HIS COMMANDMENTS for the believer in Christ Can we keep them perfectly No Christ has kept them perfectly for us and His righteousness is imputed unto us that walk not after the flesh but after the spirit 1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

[@gabrielpastor317]

When was the last time you sinned?

[@Lij_MC]

@@gabrielpastor317 of course we still battle with our sinful flesh however in Christ we are united to His death hence we are intructed indeed Commanded to put the deeds of the flesh to death and because we are also united to His resurrection we to are to walk in newness of life, Romans 6:13 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

[@gabrielpastor317]

@@Lij_MC Thank you for clarifying because I feel bad whenever I see a christian making harsh comments about other christians that are sincere with their flaws and struggles, so i think that as some people use this verse as an excuse to sin some others ignore their struggle with sin. before you came to christ you received the good news of grace, so why dont you give the same gospel with the grace you received to those blind to their sin instead of calling them fake christians as if their were capable to deal with it themselves without Christ? Give them Christ my friend, not your prideful statements as If you have any merits for your new birth in Christ.

[@tomgregory687]

How can you preach such Devil inspired heresy. It’s because you were trained in a Bible College that teaches from The Second Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 and not from the actual teachings of the apostles. Paul states in verses 5&6 they we are no longer in the flesh with the motions of sin working in our bodily members. That which held us in sin is dead and we are set free, as he carefully explained in Chapter 6. So he continues to address how sin DID work in our members because under the Law of Moses we were held by the law of sin working in us. Then he cries out for freedom from the body of this DEATH. I n the next chapter ( which they never taught you in Bible school) he says that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the LAW OF SIN and DEATH! Well Paul warned of this kind of heresy in 1 Corinthians 15:34 when he said, “Awake to righteousness and SIN NOT: for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”

[@KeithGreenshields]

So you sin no more?

[@tomgregory687]

@@KeithGreenshields 1 John 3:7-9 that’s the gospel. In my experience anyone who resists the truth always wants to make it personal. If I’m not living the gospel, do I change the gospel to match my unfaithfulness or to I change my life to match the gospel?

[@KeithGreenshields]

@@tomgregory687 there is a difference, flesh sins all the time, the new spirit in us is seperate from flesh and is protected from sin by God. Understand that we have 2 natures one is dead that sins and the other goes home to God when it is time by death or rapture.

[@tomgregory687]

@@KeithGreenshields That’s Greek philosophy of duel natures, which is taught in evangelical bible schools. The flesh is dead.( Romans 6:6&7) They that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts. (Galatians 5:24)

[@KeithGreenshields]

@@tomgregory687 we have 2 natures, Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. We crucify the flesh by faith in Jesus by being recognised in his death. It also means we don't trust in the flesh to overcome flesh and that we depend upon God to work through us to have dominion over the flesh but this is in his time, our lifetime and our understanding of him in truth. If we think we can in of ourself overcome, he lets us fail again.

[@dh1335]

These two are false teachers! Jesus twice said “Go and sin no more “ Paul said awake to righteousness, and sin not , Paul said imitate me as I imitate Christ ! Peter said Christ suffered in the flesh leaving us an example that we should follow his footsteps, who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth John said , whoever says “ I abide in him” ought to walk, just as he walked. John said he that committeth sin is of the Devil. I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me. Thoughts are not sin, scripture teaches casting down imaginations, and high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and every thought to the obedience of Christ. These guys are very ignorant of the scriptures. Read Rom Chapter 6

[@THEOCAST]

And Romans chapter 7 when Paul talks about his struggle with sin.

[@chrisarmstrong3200]

if you say you have no sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you but if you confess your sin he is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness

[@davidkinkaide1467]

Romans 7 is Paul talking about his sin when he was in the Law (Mosaic) and not in Christ. You can not read Romans 7 without reading Romans 6 and 8. This is so disingenuous to check pick verses so you can sleep at not in your sin. Repent! Repent! Repent!!!!

[@Lij_MC]

Theirs is the false Reformed Calvinist system of belief I was stuck in this system for 5 years and found no victory over my lust and fornication issue because I always thought God would just change me instead of actively persuing God and repenting in obedience to Gods word which says no fornicator shall inherit the kingdom of God Originally there were no chapter divisions It all flows from Romans 6:22-23 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Hang on why does it say the wages of sin is death here in Romans 6 after we've been justified and after we've been sanctified It then goes on to say the we are to serve in newness of the spirit not oldness of the letter 7:6 Paul then goes on in Romans 7 how serving in the oldness of the letter just exposes our sinfulness our old nature That's why in Romans 8 we now serve in newness of the spirit because Christ has fulfilled the Law His righteousness is imputed unto us who WALK not after the flesh but after the spirit Then it goes on to say Romans 8:12-14 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Compare verse 13 with Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So hang on our walk shows whether your a believer Again contrast the second half of verse 13 with 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Hang on we are to depart from iniquity... Isn't that a command? But I thought any commands after justification were just suggestions otherwise they would be adding Law to our justification adding Law to Grace Shame on you Reformed for twisting the BELIVERS obedience to God through the Spirit and twisting it up in your Law Grace conundrum and saying that that would be adding to our justification it would be getting right with God by the flesh getting right by Law Here is what Grace says Titus 2:11-13 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Do we as Believers have 2 nature's Yes absolutely BUT through Christ we are Commanded to put it to death John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Departing from Iniquity and putting to death the deeds of the body through the spirit ARE HIS COMMANDMENTS for the believer in Christ Can we keep them perfectly No Christ has kept them perfectly for us and His righteousness is imputed unto us that walk not after the flesh but after the spirit 1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

[@constant123]

How awkward they confidently post a video to lead you into the truth and they’re not even correct 🤨

[@tomgregory687]

@@Lij_MC It’s called “The Second Baptist Confession of Faith. 1689”