WHAT AN ABSOLUTE ADVENTURE! The Lord of the Rings The Two Towers (2002) Reaction (Extended Edition)

[@evangee423]

You guys have the BEST Lord of the Rings reaction videos! Thank you for the amazing content!!!

[@TheOctobersReact]

thanks for the kind words we love this journey! cannot wait for the third!

[@Makkaru112]

Which channels have you seen react to this trilogy before? I’d like to recommend others for you since I’ve seen nearly all of them up this point.

[@BROPify]

definitely not but alright

[@TheOctobersReact]

aw yikes 😬

[@evangee423]

The third is the best! Can’t wait to see!

[@vitokorunic3761]

Theoden was masterfully introduced as a character. In a couple of minutes of screen time you see him possesed, crazed, happy, furious, and devastated by grief. Bernard Hill is a legend.

[@stevetheduck1425]

His delivery of the poem before battle is astonishing. It's a real poem originally in Old English, but Tolkein translated it and even updated it slightly, to suggest Theoden improvising a version to suit the occasion.

[@harpiyon]

That character was so good! I imagine in his youth he was a strong, smart & brave warrior & leader, someone like Boromir or Aragorn. But then Grima started poisoning his mind for years until he became just an empty shell. So satisfying to see him get his senses back, and even if he was past his prime, still leading by example, taking good decisions, riding into battle with his men. His speech before the Charge of the Rohirrim at Gondor, and his quick thinking & tactics adjustment (e.g. when the Oliphants arrived) makes me wish all leaders should be like him. Bernhard Hill was phenomenal in this.

[@MysteriaLentine]

@@harpiyonRIP BERNARD

[@korvkioskshelvete]

Andy Serkis is the actor who plays Gollum. Andy is one of the first motion capture actors and an absolute pioneer and boss in the field. When this movie came out Gollum was considered ground breaking and fantastic. Andy has played many iconic motion capture characters. Caesar in the Planet of the Apes-trilogy, King Kong and Captain Haddock in the Tintin movie to name a few. There are no awards for motion capture at the Oscars but Andy should be awarded a lifetime achievement award for his contributions to modern film.

[@Makkaru112]

He did an awesome job T Awsomecon recently too. And he openly began live readings of The Silmarillion recently too!!

[@pabloc8808]

Serkis recently had a great live-action role as Kino Loy in the Star Wars show Andor. It's one of the very few things Star Wars got right in recent years, and although Serkis isn't part of the main cast, his character is by far one of the most memorable.

[@robertcartier5088]

I would have nominated him for Best Supporting actor for this film... epic performance!

[@pappapata]

Tru dat!👌

[@Juan_V_Herrera]

47:32 I was going to comment regarding this part, but i decided to back up your comment because it encompasses everything that was going on in my mind. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, English is not my native language.

[@aaronwolf3587]

In the books Aragorn is described as the greatest tracker of his age, more so than even the elves. That’s the idea behind him finding the leaf broach and being able to retrace what happened to the hobbits. So much in the movies seems more fantastical while it’s thoroughly explained in the books. Even with the magic of the elves. The elves say to mortals, “this is what you would call magic”. Meaning, “to you who don’t understand these things it will seem like magic”. But to them it’s just part of the natural world and part of their existence. It gives it more of a realistic feel, even though the story is clearly fantasy. And the author describes the story as a real history that has been forgotten. This is the story of how their world ended and gave way to the rise of men. Which also gives it a more historical and authentic feel, with made up functional languages and all. This writer was an intellectual beast of his day and one of the greatest storytellers ever. Just an opinion ✌️

[@melon12368]

If you play some game like Mount and Blade or other fantasy games, you will easily understand how Tracking work.

[@feanor4605]

@@melon12368 so?

[@jenniferhamels1176]

@@feanor4605 The point is, Aragorn trained as a ranger. While Legolas didn't. Legolas being an elf doesn't mean he is automatically good at tracking. Legolas specifically trained as an archer warrior not a ranger. If Legolas trained as a ranger, his tracking would be as good as Aragorn's.

[@feanor4605]

@@jenniferhamels1176 I didn't ask you

[@Lethgar_Smith]

😆@@feanor4605

[@CritterPaladin]

The author, Tolkien, was very clear that nothing in the movie is a direct allegory for any actual event, but his experiences in the trenches of WWI definitely influenced his feeling about war.

[@Makkaru112]

Yes. He urged people to stop glorifying war.

[@cheeseburger12]

Not even the Green Bay Packers Super Bowl win in 2011? The one ring.....Super Bowl Ring? Sauron.....Aaron Rogers? It's pretty much one for one!

[@CritterPaladin]

Tolkien was a brilliant author, but as far as I know, not prophetic, so given his death in 1973...@@cheeseburger12

[@cheeseburger12]

@@CritterPaladin Are you sure? I think Brett Farve was Sauraman. It's just creepy.

[@CritterPaladin]

Troll in the dungeon! Crap. Wrong series.@@cheeseburger12

[@Baehellet]

Correction, it wasn't Gandalf's magic that blinded the army at the end, it was just good military planning. The cavalry charge was coming from the East which is the same direction the sun was rising from, so as the cavalry charged the sun came over the hill behind them, blinding the line of pikes and making it ineffective at stopping the charge.

[@ragmuth7623]

It was both, it was the coordination if the sunrise and the fact that Gandalf is the wielder of the flame of Anor, which is the Sun itself. That's the ring of power he has too (the ring of fire basically).

[@SpeCiiaLAssAss1N13]

​@ragmuth7623 no it is because a wizard is never late nor early he arrives precisely when he means to a life in the first movie paid off in the 2 towers

[@folcotook3049]

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf

[@mgentles3]

The hall of King Theoden is called Meduseld. It's also known as the Golden Hall. The heart on the sword is made of two horses (heads and curved necks) facing one another. Hama, the door warden, is one of my favorite characters though his time is short even in the book. He knows what he's doing when he allows Gandalf to keep his staff. He's loyal to the king and, despite orders, uses his own judgment, hoping Gandalf can help Theoden or at least rid them of Grima (whom he calls Wormtongue). He holds the household guard back when Grima's minions try to attack our guys. It is Hama's son, Haleth, that Aragorn speaks with at Helm's Deep when he says 'there is always hope'. Hama was killed in the fighting there.

[@Cameron5043]

And Tolkien based Meduseld on Heorot Hall in Beowulf. Took my breath away to see it in the movies!

[@mgentles3]

@@Cameron5043 He definitely took a lot from Beowulf. Tolkien is the closest I''ll come to ancient heroic myth. I had a hard time with Chlde Roland in my fairy tale book as a child, and never went deeper.

[@Cameron5043]

@@mgentles3 Tolkien will do for the ages!

[@Ottawajames]

​@mgentles3 My first thought was he lied in every word, that hoary cripple with malicious eye askance to watch the workings of his lie on mine and mouth scarce able to afford suppression of the glee that pursed and scored it's edge at one more victim gained thereby.... Child Roland to the Dark Tower Came is certainly an epic... It was Stephen King's inspiration for his Magnum Opus: The Dark Tower series.

[@jaysinjaymesbrown7819]

Of course Hama was killed by the scout before the warg attack, not at Helms Deep.

[@Density13]

"He's built like a wisdom tooth." That is the funniest thing I've ever heard someone say to describe a Dwarf. Loved the reaction yall and I am glad you watched the extended edition (even if it was a lot longer)

[@TheOctobersReact]

just seen this and omg yeah lol i couldn’t figure out how else to describe it lol

[@mamaseesa3122]

I don't know if anyone has told you, but Andy Serkis is not only the voice actor for Gollum/Smeagol, he also ran around in one of those special suits so they could get the body movements right. AND. He did audiobooks of the three LOTR books where he does ALL the voices. Man is top level talent. Theoden's actor always breaks my heart, as a mother who's lost a child. He was trying to get into character for the scene after his son's funeral, and a woman came up to him (I think just a member of the crew) and told him how she had lost her child, and said the line 'no parent should have to bury their child'. He thought it was incredibly powerful and put in the scene. Three parents in shows/TV have the power to make me cry like this, they're Theoden, Cedric Diggory's father, and Claire from Outlander. I can't even watch that episode of Outlander because what she went through is very similar to what I went through. The only time I've watched it, I cried myself into a migraine. And a happier note, the wardrobe and props dept went all out with the horse lords and their design. To the point that there's horses in areas of the sets and clothing that never made it on screen. You guys should watch the making of stuff. There's SO much information and it's all so interesting!!

[@TenCapQuesada]

The industrialisation of war by Saruman was Tolkien's commentary on the First World War, of which he had firsthand experience. The so-called glory and honour of battle died in the trenches, until only the horror was left. Thus, the mines and mills of Isengard.

[@AlexBadger]

indeed. Much of that war was an excuse to test out the newly created weapons.

[@Kjf365]

Don't forget the bombs they created to break the walls of Helm's Deep.

[@xzuljinx1191]

Frodo wants to believe that Gollum can be brought back because it gives him hope that he can be brought back because he feels what the ring is doing to him.

[@BiggestDawgEver]

One of the scenes you missed in the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring was an extended gift giving scene. In that scene the cloaks that everyone got, the dagger belts that Merry and Pippin get, Sam's elvish rope, and the Lembas bread are all discussed. In the theatrical cut all you saw was Galadriel giving Frodo the phial "the light of Elendil".

[@gregall2178]

*"...giving Frodo the phial "the light of Elendil"."* *Earendil, our most beloved star ;-)

[@rikk319]

Elendil: The father of Isildur and Anarion, who died defeating Sauron at the end of the 2nd Age. Aragorn uses his name as a battle-cry at least once in the film. Earendil: The father of Elrond and Elros, who killed Ancalagon the Black, greatest of all dragons, helped defeat Morgoth, the master of Sauron at the end of the 1st Age, and sails through space on his flying ship with a silmaril on his brow as what we call the planet Venus. Only Galadriel mentions him in the film.

[@speleokeir]

And in the book there are further gifts which they cut out of the film, partly because they shortened and changed the ending.

[@johnwalters1341]

At 32:40, Mr. October says, "I think Frodo has a pure heart but I think he's also very naive." In the book, Sam thought the same thing. But Frodo warns Gollum, "You swore a promise by what you call the Precious. Remember that! It will hold you to it, but it will seek a way to twist it to your own undoing...You will never get it back. But the desire of it may betray you to a bitter end. You will never get it back. In the last need, Smeagol, I should put on the Precious, and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So have a care, Smeagol!" Sam looked at his master with approval but also with surprise; there was a look in his face and a tone in his voice that he had not known before.

[@Makkaru112]

If you got to watch the extended of the first movie you definitely will notice the cloak masking as a rock bit reminding you of when Celeborn said “never before have we dressed another in the garb of our own people. May these cloaks help shield you from unfriendly eyes” everything the elves make is imbued with their lifeforce and nothing can be made the same way twice. ❤❤❤❤

[@TheOctobersReact]

yes we had to go revisit that! dang it!! it woulda been so much more fun if we would have watched kt

[@akse]

@@TheOctobersReact I think the first one has least Extended content but still some bits that are nice to see.

[@Rhodair]

aye, also how the horse riders went right past Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas without noticing them due to the cloaks

[@DigiVixen]

Fun Fact: When Gimli is talking about Dwarf women, he's actually referencing another book series called the Chronicles of Narnia wherein the book "The Magician's Nephew", shows the creation of Narnia, in which Dwarves are actually created by springing up from the ground. @@TheOctobersReact

[@Makkaru112]

@@DigiVixen matches a bit how Aulë created the Dwarven forefathers from the earth itself. Gimli is directly related to Durin the deathless, The ultimate dwarf! And if need be the memories and essence of all other Durins could pass to him. But if there was no more bloodline directly linking any dwarf could be born with the memories of all other past Durins.

[@arahantiusdetache5103]

Just FYI with regard to the rope coming undone at the beginning, it was 'real elvish rope'. In other words it's magical and follows the mental imperative of the user. Also the elvish rope did actually burn Gollum due to the dark influence of having the ring for 500 years.

[@CrownlessKing88]

I loved that you guys were speechless during that whole Sméagol/Gollum scene. It is really great acting. Voice acting and Motion Capture. Andy Serkis is crazy.

[@PhilBagels]

Andy Serkis is THE star of this movie. He steals EVERY scene! Motion capture and voice acting was a bit too out of the ordinary for actors at the time, but he should have been nominated for an Oscar.

[@TheOctobersReact]

he’s incredible mr october loves the music it plays when he is on the screen!

[@custardflan]

"And I will die as one of them." That's an epic line from Aragorn. You'll notice he still wears Boromirs wrist guards. Remember his pledge to not let the white city fall.

[@brymcguy1867]

DID YOU KNOW?!?! Ha you will come to find out that everyone's favorite fact of this movie is that Viggo (Aragorn) broke his toe kicking the helmet when they are looking for Merry and Pippin. Just a heads up!

[@Makkaru112]

He broke his whole foot and a lot worse during several shootings of many things that day. And throughout the months. They shot all three movies over a span of two years

[@kcojco]

You mean “Vigo”

[@jl1095]

Hugo??? 🤔😅

[@Makkaru112]

@@kcojcoViggo

[@Makkaru112]

@@jl1095Hugo Weaving is Elrond ahahah

[@bri_____]

Remember what gandalf said in the first movie; "I believe that gollum still has a part to play. Perhaps Bilbo's pity will rule the fate of many" ❤️

[@Hulkzilla0]

This was my first LotR movie. I remember my mother buying a VHS copy of it when I was a kid. So this movie has a special place in my heart.

[@TheOctobersReact]

aw, the vhs version! oh the times!

[@robertedgar7497]

VHS ah the cood times

[@laurihavukainen7747]

It was my first as well! I just don't remember why I hadn't seen the first one.

[@AcornSmokes420]

I was 12 when this came out Damn I’m only 32 but I’m old lmao 😂

[@TheOctobersReact]

@@AcornSmokes420 only one year older than us pretty much! you’re not old!

[@candicelitrenta8890]

The horse that was acting up that Aragorn calmed down with elvish speaking, was purchased by Viggo, the one who played that character. He came to love the horse when filming and bought it.

[@TheOctobersReact]

aw that’s so cool i love that

[@juliaforsyth8332]

His real name was Uraeus and he was a Warmblood Dressage stallion. There are KZbin videos years back showing him in Dressage competitions.

[@zarinshapurjee9430]

He bought it for Miranda's stunt double

[@ulricaandrae4381]

Omg, I’ve watched these movies soooo many times but NEVER thought about Saruman getting more grey (as Gabdalf is taking his place). Good call!

[@SliderFury1]

Mr. October is legit on point with his theorizing. For someone who knows nothing about LOTR, your guesses about the lore are solid! Great reaction, love how long you're making them. These movies deserve it.

[@TheOctobersReact]

we really appreciate it and yes him editing these things are making him a huge fan lol he’s very much enjoying this!

[@JM-do6wc]

​@@TheOctobersReactwe can tell

[@MrSporkster]

21 years old, and still looks amazing today!

[@TheOctobersReact]

AGREED!

[@Makkaru112]

@@TheOctobersReactif I have to pay to become a top tier patreon member I’ll make sure you get to react to the hours long SUPER powerful and entertaining behind the scenes documentaries which also show in depth “making of” stuff as well. You’ll watch them all become family during the many years they spent together doing all three movies at the same time before any of them were released. And Peter Jackson just got access to a giant warehouse in the mountains that holds 1300 hours of extra footage which they will use to create special editions to play in theatres soon too

[@kcojco]

The extras are a MUST have imo. Not to mention the secret Oscar “skit” on one of the extended dvds

[@Makkaru112]

@@kcojcoyes. And the special Oscar given to Sméagol himself and Andy Serkis. …. Can’t spoil it. I have the links where they can watch them in full on KZbin on a playlist I have ready for them to watch from top to bottom like it was on the DVD as if they just pressed the play all button with their remote. ❤️

[@TheOctobersReact]

aw i bet that is so special! i want to see it after this for sure

[@rollomaughfling380]

31:22 "How did they not see them?" This is precisely why you watch the extended editions of movies like this when you can.

[@brymcguy1867]

Someone else has likely mentioned this but Treebeard is voiced by the name actor who plays Gimli, John Rhys-Davies. Also i believe he was actually the tallest actor of the main characters which is ironic.

[@TheOctobersReact]

that makes it so hilarious lol

[@jordinagel1184]

Ironic perhaps, but it definitely helped with shooting the movie. Dwarves are short, but still slightly taller than hobbits, which meant that John could stand next to the hobbits and be believable in size, without having to do any tricks (perspective, cgi, overlay, etc) to make him look taller than them

[@hobiwan9597]

Saruman's orcs are Uruk Hai and are very different than the orcs of Mordor. They are larger, stronger, have more stamina and daylight doesn't bother them. When the two groups are mixed, there is conflict between them because they serve different masters. Tolkien served in World War 1 (the Great War). He has said that Lord of the Rings is not an allegory for WWI or WWII. War is war ~ LOTR is a "war book" containing the elements of every war. It isn't based on either of our World Wars. Yet his participation in WWI was no doubt inspirational to his writing but NOT based on the events which occurred.

[@thedappermagician6905]

Just to add to your awesome info. The Uruk Hai are indeed different from Orcs. If i'm not mistaken Orcs are twisted and corrupted Elves. Uruk Hai are a blend of Human and Elf. Saurons system (inherited from his old master Morgoth/Melkor) of creating Orcs was something akin to pollution and corruption. Saruman's system built off of that polluting sorcery but introduced his own dark magical gene splicing

[@rikk319]

@@thedappermagician6905 According to the books, "uruk-hai" just means "orc folk" in the Black Speech of Mordor, but it is used to describe the biggest and strongest of the orcs, regardless of where they serve. The books describe half-orcs created from breeding orcs and humans (vile I'm sure) by Saruman, one of the many evils he committed. In the films, these half-orcs are called Uruk-Hai, which Gandalf says were created by "breeding orcs with goblin men"...which doesn't make sense, because Tolkien said orcs and goblins are the same species, just two different names for them. In the films goblins seem to be the smaller, noseless creatures in Moria...but how would breeding those little things with orcs make Uruk-Hai?

[@lordmortarius538]

@@rikk319 Orcs are Elves corrupted by Morgoth, the ones who stayed behind at Cuivienen while the rest went with Orome to Aman. They feared the great light of the Vala and stayed with what they knew, hence known as Grey Elves. Morgoth found them and captured no small number of them, twisting them with his dark will into the broken creatures we now know as Orcs. He had to do this because he couldn't create his own life, not having access to the Flame Imperishable that gives mortal beings their souls. Goblins are a mutated and degenerate form of Orc that live almost exclusively underground, such as in the Mines of Moria or the caves riddling the Misty Mountains, and are generally weaker and smaller, but in greater numbers. Uruk-Hai are a hybrid of Man and Orc, making them taller, stronger, hardier, less cowardly, and able to withstand the sunlight (which weakens Orcs and Goblins). Their only real weakness is their relatively small numbers compared to the hordes of Orcs populating Mordor.

[@-Knife-]

Can't believe how good the battle of helm's deep is. Props to everyone who made this happen.

[@Makkaru112]

Did you see the dozens of hours of behind the scenes documentaries made by the cast and crew!?

[@juliaforsyth8332]

NZ Army standins.

[@abdo19code]

You're right about "ruling together" was not in Saruman's plan. Saruman was playing both sides of the conflict between Sauron and the free people until Gandalf discovered Saruman's deception. He was busy looking for the ring for the whole third age. He found Isildur's armor and weapons at the Anduin river and even the chain he wore on his neck that held the ring, but didn't find the ring or Isildur's body. He wanted the ring for himself. He was lying to Sauron the whole time. But Sauron knew he was.

[@Makkaru112]

“Leave Sauron To Me”. Christopher Lee : “And He Means It” ❤️

[@rikk319]

You might notice another touch--Samwise is the only main character with brown eyes. Orlando Bloom has brown eyes but wore blue contacts as Legolas, but Sam's simple, humble character differs even from the other main characters in this way as well.

[@D-Wells0203]

Love your back and forth on the character of Sméagol/ Gollum. He’s one of the most brilliantly complex characters in fantasy. But you nailed the basic internal conflict within him. The personality of Sméagol represents his better nature while Gollum shows how the ring has twisted and tortured him for more than half a millennium. In the end, you’re both right about him. Smeagol wants to serve Frodo, his new master, but Gollum only serves the ring. He’s basically a micro representation of the duality within all people. The opposite natures that are constantly at war.

[@joshjames582]

"He's built like a wisdom tooth" is one of the greatest things I've ever heard about Gimli lol

[@TheOctobersReact]

but he kinda is though right? lol

[@Leekle2ManE]

The thing to bear in mind with Gandalf and Saruman (and later Radaghast) is that they aren't wizards in the common sense of the term. Yes, they have have access to magic, but don't go around slinging spells. They are more akin to angelic beings than wizards of fantasy.

[@DeadlyChinchilla]

They're essentially Lesser Gods, and they're not Human despite looking like old men. They're the same species as the Balrogs. That's why Gandalf didn't want to go through the Mines of Moria, he didn't *know* for sure if he could best the Balrog in battle as they were evenly matched. But the Balrog has the advantage that they can just whip out ALL their power, meanwhile the wizards are bound to certain rules that means they can't just use their power to change whatever they want wherever. That's why Gandalfs magic is more subtle, like using the sunrise to blind the orcs at Helms Deep. He can't just magic out the result he wants in "mans" world, they have to do the bulk of the work themselves. He just gives it a push in the direction he senses is "good."

[@rikk319]

@@DeadlyChinchilla Exactly right. Tolkien may have inspired Dungeons & Dragons type wizards with his stories, but wizards in Middle-Earth aren't modern day spell casters who hurl fireballs and lightning bolts like some kind of magical superhero...they're divine guides who help the free people of Middle Earth resist the evil of Sauron.

[@asarishepard8171]

Imagine seeing this in theaters, pure joy can't describe it😊

[@TheOctobersReact]

Absolutely loving everything about this journey! Pretty sad we missed out on these in life because.... HOW NECESSARY! Thanks for hanging out with us on this journey! We cannot wait for the 3rd one! For full uncut reactions : www.patreon.com/theoctobers Give us your best LOTR lore for The Two Towers, we absolutely love when you guys give us a fun fact or two!

[@Makkaru112]

Gandalf is the same species of being as the Balrogs/Sauron before twisted by Melkor[Morgoth]. They are all Maiar (primordial spirits). Gandalf named Olórin created by Eru’s Thought (extensions of Eru Îlluvatar himself whilst they had their own free will & individuality. He essentially got the chance to experience and study other parts of himself through this.) among the other Ainur before the Years of the Lamps roughly 9,000+ years before arriving in Middle-earth; In Valinor he was known as Olórin.(Remember though he formally existed before the world existed and his form becoming Gandalf hadn’t happened yet. He was sent to Middle-earth in human form around the year 1000 of the Third Age. So his many forms had different ages in length of existing. He’s very cool right! Could he get any cooler!? 😎❤️ Another thing is when he arrived in middle earth he was disguised as an elf & lived among them whilst they were unknowing & he became to be known as Mithrandir to the Quendi/Eldar❤️ He could have very well dwelled with the elves far earlier just do to his curiosity & simple desire to explore and be around the firstborn (TheElves) Gandalf The Grey/White Estimated at 15,000 years old (following his quote "300 lives of men, I have walked this earth"), It says that Gandalf was the wisest of the Maiar besides Melian herself. There were a lot of Maiar that were considered really great and powerful. However, there is a much longer answer. Like Sauron(former name is Mairon) & the other Istari (the order sent around the same time & of which he was appointed leader but he being who he is & a student of the Vala by the name Nienna & Lorien(Irmo). Gandalf was a Maiar, an angelic spirit created by Eru at the beginning of time and therefor one of the many Ainur who sang the world into being & Eru just helped their creation take shape and basically stated “behold YOUR creation” & basically what happens in that world goes sort of preordained as by that song eons ago so really only the ages after Dagor Dagorath will truly be an age that isn’t full of strife; sadness; and longing. Also. These lamps are what were before even the two trees. These were Giant mountains but also like light houses but housing a great power but it may have also been where two special Maia lived that helped in the creation in the sun and moon after Melkor With eldrich terror Ungoliant killed the trees, so yea “Arien” is the Maia who basically exists with the sun and her brother and or lover of sorts is the one who wanders with and guides the moon. Of which that other Maia was “Tillion” Galadriel herself not only witnessed this but as a student of Aulë and the other Valar she obviously had involvement in helping create the hallowed objects that housed the final flower of the silver tree Telperion that was the father of the moon and the mother of the sun was Laurëlin the golden tree and prior to the sun and moon they too used to wax and wane! (Just in case you look her first.)

[@Makkaru112]

(Here i think is better for you to read easier as people’s comments flood in. This way we won’t miss eachother by hours lol)

[@Makkaru112]

You’ll get it all explained in the behind the scenes documentary series. Get ready. I have the link ready for y’all to start reacting to and best all other KZbin channels to the punch since they snoozed too much despite wanting to do it even after I became a patreon member for them lol.

[@Makkaru112]

KZbin deleted the first half of my comment even though it sat there for longer than 20 seconds.

[@Makkaru112]

Part 1: I basically said please react to gollums song in the credits. Listen to the lyrics. The lady poured her heart and soul into that song as everyone on this majestic team of so many different groups of people to make LOTR happen have done also.

[@Makkaru112]

Simbelmynë was the name of the flower in Rohan, meaning "Evermind", a reference to the memories of the dead on whose tombs the flower grew. The name thus resembles 'forget-me-not', but a quite different kind of flower is intended. The Elves called them uilos and alfirin. Tolkien mentioned that Simbelmyne is an imagined variety of anemone. In appearance, Tolkien compares Simbelmynë to the European anemone, a small white flower growing among the grass or Anemona pulsatilla, the "pasque flower" The Elves called the same flower uilos ("snow white") and alfirin ("not mortal") This flower was inspired by wood anemone (Anemone nemorosa), a European flower of the buttercup family. J.R.R. Tolkien stated this in Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings. There’s more to the story even for flowers+other plants as well as the other beings within middle earth (our Midgard) This is the genius of Tolkien ❤

[@Lethgar_Smith]

I watch a Lord of the Rings reaction video about once a week for more than a year now so, I've seen a lot of them. You guys are knocking this out of the park! I am riveted by your reaction and insightful commentary. You're hitting all the right beats exactly where you need to. Keep it up! Very good! Excellent!

[@TheOctobersReact]

that was really kind of you to say! we love doing this and it’s really a lot of fun! thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching!

[@Lethgar_Smith]

@@TheOctobersReact

[@gratmccall]

The line Sam said when frodo and him were in Osgiliath... "By rights, We're not suppose to be here!" is a tongue in cheek joke. Frodo and Sam never went there in the book, but they went there in the movie.

[@blissfull_ignorance8454]

Tolkien personally experienced the absolute carnage and horrors of WW1 in the trench-warfare, and that effected profoundly on him and his story-writing of LotR trilogy.

[@andrew348]

Whether you believe him or not Tolkien disagreed that LOTRs was allegorical to WWI: "I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."

[@tamarleigh]

18:35 Trackers are amazing. One of my sisters is a tracker, and she can look at tracks and know information that blows my mind. Like noticing a mouse was putting its weight on its feet in a certain way that indicated it was pregnant. 🤯 This morning one of our other sisters texted us a couple photos of tracks near her house asking about them, and she gave us a whole lecture about all kinds of details and inferences that amazed us all.

[@continuallyblessed44]

Gandalf waiting until morning knowing the rising sun would blind the enemy is genius.

[@Makkaru112]

He’s also a Maiar and definitely communed with Arien who protects, envelops and guides the sun(last fruit of the golden tree Laurëlin.) I’m sure in the books somewhere it stated something along the lines of how supernatural it all was & even how it wasn’t rising in the usual place or something like that. Either in the chapter itself or his other notes to which we know is still being looked through by his family and friends to this day. ❤️

[@rollomaughfling380]

@@Makkaru112 Erhm, nah. Attacking with the sun behind you is a tactic from ancient warfare all the way through aerial combat _(Dicta Boelcke.)_

[@JayPadrig]

They used elves in the battle of helms deep to snag themselves a PG13 rating. Fantasy races such as orcs and elves dying on screen don’t count as much for violence. It’s kind of like “cheating” to grab a bigger audience. In the book, Legolas and Gimli talked about reinforcements coming to aid them, but it didn’t happen 😢

[@dudeusmaximus6793]

Aveeno. BWHAHAHAHA! Hilarious. Props to the minor characters Hama and Gamling. Always faithful and dedicated. Hama knew what was going on to let Gandalf keep his staff, and holding back Gamling from stopping him. And Gamling standing by his King in the darkest hour.

[@gremmlingee]

"The staff in the hand of a wizard may be more than a prop for age. Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom." -Hama (in the books)

[@JPMadden]

Aragorn at age 87 isn't the only character older than he looks. Frodo is 50 and Gimli 139. For the immortals, Legolas is hundreds of years old (actual number not revealed), Arwen 2777, her father Elrond 8017, his mother-in-law Galadriel (the Elf woman in white) 8687, and Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron more than 13,000 years old.

[@colbunkmust]

Legolas is 2931 at the time of the Fellowship, according to the movie trilogy.

[@JPMadden]

@@colbunkmustWhere in the films does it say that? I don't remember it.

[@colbunkmust]

@@JPMadden It's in the official movie guide, not the film itself.

[@MarioButter]

Arwen 2901. Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron, it's unknown, since they're Maiar and existed before the creation of Ea. The 5 wizards came to Middle Earth at about Third Age 1100, which means they lived there about 1900 years at the time of the War of the Rings. Sauron entered earlier and lived in Arda about 7000 years.

[@hitmanyr2kHQ]

The opening of this film is my favorite of all time. The musical score, the scenery and the voices of the characters echoing in the mountains never fails to give me chills 👍🏾

[@MarcusYap]

Gandalf didn't use sorcessory to blind them. He arrived at dawn, percisely when he meant to. So the sun would rise over the hill just as they came rushing down.

[@susanfreeman9500]

That hill in the middle of the plain surrounded by mountains is a real place in New Zealand. But as it is part of a nature reserve, the film crew had to save the ground cover before they built the village. After they were done filming, they had to put it all back as close to nature as they could manage. Honestly, each film should have a credit 'Also starring New Zealand as Middle Earth'. Mind you, some of the footage is on a created sound stage, but they used as many real locations as they could. Fortunately New Zealand has a wide variety of land types.

[@rollomaughfling380]

Once these movies hit, the NZ tourist board put up billboards all over Hollywood, with dramatic outdoor scenery saying something like: "Enjoying the Lord of the Rings? Well, just so you know, we left the set up. -Visit New Zealand!"

[@juliaforsyth8332]

Mt Sunday.

[@benjaminstonehocker5382]

Brilliant keeping up with all the characters and locations and even the little things. Great job and fantastic reaction. You both deserve a lot of credit for following so closely and with such zeal. Glad you are enjoying the greatest film trilogy ever made.

[@lorcanabbot4614]

Great reaction, thanks guys! 25:08 SO FUNNY you asked about Legolas when you saw the winged nazgul for the first time, because in the book, he actually shoots one down in complete darkness, as it attacked the Fellowship during the night!

[@TheOctobersReact]

we appreciate you! and yes he’s our go to for all flying creatures lol we always want him around to take them down! but that’s very cool that happened! thanks for watching 😊

[@lorcanabbot4614]

@@TheOctobersReact You bet ;-)

[@Makkaru112]

@@TheOctobersReact he also called upon Varda who is Queen Of The Valar(And Manwë’s wife and counterpart) to guide that arrow to strike true. it shined akin to lightning or leaving a trail of starlight low key/ or something to that effect.

[@Makkaru112]

@@TheOctobersReact the capturing of the hobbits and taking them to Osgiliath (city of stars) never happened in the books. And the two towers are Minas Tirith and Minas Ithil which used to be the counterpart sister to Minas Tirith. Ithil being Moon and Tirith being Sun so “The Two Towers Of The Sun & Moon” is the true meaning of the title. Which ties alll the way back to the Two Trees Of Valinor. Of which the white tree of Gondor Nimloth is a descendant of Telperion (The Silver Tree/who bore the moon as its dying act after being essentially killed by Morgoth(And Ungoliant the eldrich terror who essentially Vampirized them from the stab wounds he gave them with his halberd. The Valar/Especially Yavannah had tried all she could do to keep them alive ((Another long story which I didn’t even scratch the surface of yet haha.))

[@RememberRox]

i can't believe how much movie footage you are able to keep in your reactions! What a treat! Also, your comments are hilarious, "he's a G", "he went tony hawk on em". Favorite reactors of the LOTR series by far.

[@TheOctobersReact]

I try really hard! Thank you for noticing it can be very tricky with copyright. But some of these movies are so incredible. I feel like they deserve to have nothing important missed unfortunately I still do sometimes. I’m really glad that you enjoyed the reaction. I have watched it back so many times while editing, and I have heard all of the background music and I am genuinely becoming a super fan of these movies.

[@n8v_willie]

I was a Freshman when this came out and it was a welcome escape from the previous months. We all used this movie to escape the fear and sadness. It played a huge part in my teens.

[@zjjohnson3827]

104:27 You absolutely nailed it, within two seconds of seeing Denethor He is a politician, he manipulates his own son and plays massive favorites then blames anyone but himself when Boromir dies.

[@johnwalters1341]

At 57:00, the statue is of Helm Hammerhand, ninth king of Rohan, who lived about 250 years before our story.

[@obenohnebohne]

I love your reaction to this. Fighting over Smeagol/Gollum is so funny. That shows how good the character is.

[@TheOctobersReact]

absolutely ! we could not agree more

[@JM-do6wc]

Wow that was an hour and 45 minutes of pure enjoyment! Your reactions were incredible and your presentation was first class. I can hardly wait for the third movie. When this is all said and done I look forward to your playlist for I will come back to it many times!! Oh by the way you may have missed the part where Aragorn reveals that he is 87 years old.

[@TheOctobersReact]

thanks so much for that!! we love these movies! and yes so that means he can’t be full human right? idk if it told us that directly yet but we thought that’s what it coulda meant!

[@JM-do6wc]

​@@TheOctobersReacthe is one of the Dunedain. They live about twice as long as regular mortals

[@TheOctobersReact]

oh wow. i remember hearing that but didn’t put that together! thank you

[@Makkaru112]

@@TheOctobersReacttheir maximum age is 500 years old.

[@parissimons6385]

@@Makkaru112 But in Prof Tolkien's legendarium that was only possible for Elros, Elrond Half-Elven's twin brother, who chose to be a human when given the choice of kindreds (or races) to belong to. And after that first king of Numenor the lifespans of the Numenoreans, and after the fall of Numenor, the surviving Dunedain's lifespans have become shorter and shorter over the generations. Aragorn is more than 7,000 years removed from his ancestor, Elros. (But their kinship is a large part of the reason that Elrond acted as his foster-father when Aragorn was growing up in Rivendell.) So by this time their average lifespan is roughly twice that of other men, potentially about 150 years. Aragorn is a bit of a throwback, and may live longer than that (no spoilers), but nothing close to 500 years.

[@nathanthaxton7492]

Thank you so much for not skipping Sam's speech. It's one of the best in the entire trilogy. The next are in the following movie.

[@TheOctobersReact]

can’t wait for them!

[@randybean4678]

A few things to clarify for you both: Theodred, King Theoden's son, was mortally wounded in the attack. He lived long enough to make it back to Edoras where he died in the night. The look Eomer and Eowyn give each other at Theodred's beside is one of hopelessness for their cousin. They both know he is mortally wounded and that he is going to die. He wasn't murdered by Grima. And at the end of the film when Gandalf says that all their hopes lie in two little hobbits in the wilderness, he left out Gollum. The reason he didn't mention Gollum is because he doesn't know that Gollum is now their guide. And regarding the oliphant, it's not horns you see. They are called tusks. Glad you are both enjoying the trilogy. Best wishes.

[@PhilBagels]

But of course Gandalf knows that Gollum would at least be following them. Wormtongue was just out for his own interests. He wanted a comfortable political position for himself, a bit of power and influence over the kingdom of Rohan, and perhaps Eowyn for his wife. He had no idea that the person he was working for was trying to destroy his entire country and his people.

[@Makkaru112]

@@PhilBagelseven Gríma was a lot cooler in the books. Wasn’t just “bad guy”. All these characters had SO MUCH removed and left out. It’s crazy. ❤

[@cindyknudson2715]

AND - FUN FACTS!! When Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli were running across Rohan tracking Merry and Pippen, Aragorn had already broken his toe while kicking the helmet, Legolas had cracked ribs from falling of the horse, and Gimli had a bad knee, also from a fall. They were the walking wounded whose job that day was to run... and run ... and run.... to get that footage.

[@kurauza]

guys, usually I watch all your videos at work because I work overnight, but one hour and 42 minutes of reaction video of this gem!!!! wow guys, every day you surprise me more. I only came to leave this comment because this reaction deserves to be seen in my super comfortable home. you are the best 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷

[@TheOctobersReact]

You're the best! we appreciate you so so much!

[@richardhansen3703]

He used the timing of the sunrise to Blind them. What a genius move.

[@RambinoYT]

Frodo feels for and with Smeagol because Smeagol knows how it is to have the ring. The ring is heavy, it talks, it feels, it drains and tries to get back to it's master so the burden of carrying it is heavy. He relates with that, also Smeagol was transformed because of the ring, Frodo feels that he needs to remain human by helping him and that there is some hope left for people to potentially help Frodo down the road if he was to transform or change. You can see that Frodo is getting more and more attached with the ring. Holding it, stroking it, just the same way Gollum/Smeagol is. Remember he said i do pity him, because h is scared to become the way Smeagol and Gollum is. Gollum aka Smeagol. Smeagol is Gollum, but Smeagol developed a call it 2nd personality when he got the ring. Corrupted, twisted and thorn mind that became Gollum. Smeagol has been the weaker of the 2, that's why the scene with them arguing was quite big because it was Smeagol finally finding himself and the courage to let go. In the 3rd movie, Smeagol will tell you his story, when he does you can even hear him say: ''We even forgot our own name''

[@Raven-zz4zt]

1:29:05 "a wizard is never late nor is he early he arrive's precisely when he mean's to"

[@naomicummings]

Epic. Always love getting into the story. I just want to say, the character of Faramir was changed in the movie. In the book, he is noble throughout and doesn’t try to take the ring to Gondor. He is a great captain doing the hard work on the borders of Mordor, though his dad Denethor despises him, thinking him weak.

[@johnohrstrom5112]

"I feel like we're just about to get into the most epic battle I've seen in the history of movies..." Yes. You are.

[@RoadDoug]

This is the song of lament sung at Theodore’s funeral: Now dear Théodred lies in darkness, most loyal of fighters. The sound of the harp shall not wake the warrior; nor shall the man hold a golden wine-cup, nor good hawk swing through the hall, nor the swift horse stamp in the courtyard. An evil death has set forth the noble warrior A song shall sing the sorrowing minstrels of Meduseld That noble cousin, who always held me dear Now is held in darkness, enclosed.

[@Speculativedude]

One of the funny things that's glanced over a bit is that the rope that Sam has is Elvish rope, which is magical. It actually untied itself and fell down in front of Sam, not because his knot skills were bad. You're right about Gollum having what kind of amounts to a split personality. One side Gollum, one side Smeagle, the man he use to be. You can see that later in the movie when he actually has the 2 sides talking to each other. The Smeagle side still has a little bit of humanity in him, but the Gollum side is completely corrupted.

[@MenglinGao]

Y'all got the fastest processing power of all of them reactors. Keep up the good work!

[@STRYKRGAMING-eq7pc]

thought i was the only one who noticed. lol

[@MikeKat11]

1:00:15 “An image of the splendor of the Kings of Men in glory, undimmed, before the breaking of the world.” One of my favorite lines from Tolkien

[@sangralknight3031]

Theodan is my favorite character in Lord of the rings, and a personal hero. Alot of people mistake why Theodan, a king, is strutting about in helms deep making grand statements about outlasting and defeating the orcs, even dismissing the concerns of Aragorn and the rest. Its actually the right thing to do. He is the king, and must be the beating heart of his men's confidence, if he dooms and glooms, his men will lose heart. The need to see him confident and strong.

[@solsirhibragusowl2221]

He tells Aragorn this. "Look at my men. Their courage hangs by a thread!" Theoden doesn't get enough credit for what he does for his people.

[@josephcrook9921]

The song Eowyn sang was a funeral lament for Theodred. The language of Rohan Tolkien derived from Old English (Anglo Saxon). "Now dear Théodred lies in darkness, most loyal of fighters. The sound of the harp shall not wake the warrior; nor shall the man hold a golden wine-cup, nor good hawk swing through the hall, nor the swift horse stamp in the courtyard. An evil death has set forth the noble warrior A song shall sing the sorrowing minstrels of Meduseld That noble cousin, who always held me dear Now is held in darkness, enclosed."

[@Makkaru112]

Èowyn’s FULL SONG in Rohirric Eotheod language + English translation below/ Èowyn sings at Thèodred’s “funeral”•Now dear Théodred lies in darkness, most loyal of fighters. The sound of the harp shall not wake the warrior; nor shall the man hold a golden wine-cup, nor good hawk swing through the hall, nor the swift horse stamp in the courtyard. An evil death has set forth the noble warrior A song shall sing the sorrowing minstrels of Meduseld That noble cousin, who always held me dear Now is held in darkness, enclosed. (Now in in the language of the Èitheod)❤ Nú on théostrum licgeth Théodred se léofa hæ´letha holdost. ne sceal hearpan sweg wigend weccean; ne winfæ´t gylden guma sceal healdan, ne god hafoc geond sæ´l swingan, ne se swifta mearh burhstede beatan. Bealocwealm hafað fréone frecan forth onsended giedd sculon singan gléomenn sorgiende on Meduselde thæt he ma no wære his dryhtne dyrest and maga deorost. She sings this part in the movie: Bealocwealm hafað fréone frecan forth onsended giedd sculon singan gléomenn sorgiende on Meduselde thæt he ma no wære his dryhtne dyrest and maga deorost. Éowyn is only heard singing the last four lines of the song, ending with the word Bealo, which in Old English meant "evil" or "harm". The first of those lines ("Bealocwealm hafað...") originates from the epic poem Beowulf, line 2265.)

[@josephcrook9921]

@@Makkaru112 I need to re read Beowulf. Haven't read it since high school. Everyone is usually enamored by the Elvish languages, which are beautiful, but I love Rohirric. I also love Anglo Saxon and the histories of that people, so I guess it makes sense.

[@3rdjrh]

This movie, the music, the dialogue, set pieces…everything! So good

[@TheOctobersReact]

10000000%

[@rajahkossuth]

As one man said, Andy Serkis played Gollum. He played the Vibranium thief in Avengers: Age of Ultron. He gets his arm chopped off by Ultron!

[@ricardoortiz4870]

Funny how he got back into shape after falling into lava.

[@MichaelHattem]

The reason he says it’s too risky to kill them at the end is because he will become even worse if he kills for the ring a second time (a factor in why the ring did so much worse to Smeagol than to Bilbo or Frodo). So he needs to get rid of them without him being the one who kills them.

[@morgan4574]

Faramir is smart and "learned" He never once shows any hesitation in the books but to help Frodo and Sam. This whole inner conflict is for the movie drama only. He knows or has a strong gut feeling that the ring cannot be wielded for anything but evil. He knows that if Frodo accomplished his mission, then Gondor is also saved. It's the best outcome. And he understands that they need Gollum to lead them there. It ain't any deeper than that.

[@miskbalder]

Gollum wasn't just voice acting, the actors name is Andy Serkis who did the acting with a suit with motion tracking and also motion tracking points in his face and such, he did an awesome job Merry and Pippin actually grew several inches from drinking the ent water, they became the tallest hobbits in history

[@Makkaru112]

Aragorn spared Grima for pragmatic, political & moral reasons. Morally: Killing someone is bad. Even when perceived as justified Tolkien didn't feel that taking a life was ever the honourable thing to do. Pragmatically: Grima might have knowledge about Saruman's plans. Maybe even some of Sauron's plans. Information that they could have extracted from him if he'd accepted the king's 'mercy'. Politically: You've not seen your king in months. Rumour has it he's gone mad and that Grima is the one running the kingdom now. Next time you see your king he's flinging Grima down the stairs unarmed, about to swing a sword through his head. Grima was even begging for mercy. That's not a good look for Theoden's first act as the King again after being silent for so long.

[@killerclair]

One of my favorite things to think on is Gollum's role in all of this. In the end, who was responsible for destroying the ring? When Frodo was unable to cast it into Mount Doom, it was Gollum's act that saved Middle Earth. Even through Gollum's evil intention to have the ring for himself, it led to a good outcome for the world. The lesson being that even the bad characters can positively affect an outcome. Specifically this interaction with Frodo and Gandalf highlights it. Frodo: "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance." Gandalf: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death... My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many- yours not least.” BTW - I don't normally watch reactions, but between this and GOT, I am now stuck here. :D Love the content, keep it up!

[@BlaiddDrwg2009]

Has anyone told them about Aragorn's broken toe or shall I take one for the team 😂 fine. When Aragorn kicks the Orc helmet, the actor at that point had kicked it so often that the final kick we see in the movie broke his toe. That scream of anguish is actually a scream of pain that he channeled into his performance. So there you have it.

[@jamedraa8472]

When my Mom took him clothes shopping, my little brother hated it and would fall out in the fitting room whining "it burns us" just like Gollum. After a while she would call me in to get him to act right.

[@TheOctobersReact]

omg i love this comment

[@ronweber1402]

Gollum/Smeagol was a Stoor which is sort of a pre-Hobbit. They were river people and very good at watercraft which is how Gollum/Smeagol was able to follow them on the river.

[@NomadUrpagi]

Recall what Gandalf said: Gollum has a part to play in this story. They would''ve never made it to Mordor without him.

[@otto1449]

"The Lord of the Rings" movies were heavily influenced by the experiences of author J.R.R. Tolkien during World War I, not World War II. Tolkien served as a soldier during the First World War, and his firsthand experiences of the brutality, loss, and camaraderie of war had a profound impact on his writing. The bleak landscapes, the horrors of battle, and the sense of impending doom found in the books and films all draw parallels to the grim realities of World War I.

[@theoneandonlystork]

World War 1! (Not WW2) Tolkien fought in WW1, at the time called the Great War. He started writing all this between the wars, while he was also a professor in England.

[@TheOctobersReact]

that’s incredible

[@morgan4574]

You guys have me dying at the stew scene 😂 y'all are so cute!!!

[@TheOctobersReact]

aw thank you so much

[@Gwaithmir]

18:30 Viggo actually broke his big toe when he kicked the helmet. His groan of pain is real.

[@Seraphim4190]

The Boromir backstory is extended edition and is the reason I nag reactors to watch the extended Two Towers.

[@TheOctobersReact]

well worth the watch forreal!!

[@Jason-jb3xt]

Fun Fact the elvish rope has a special property that allows the user to tug on it to undo the knot tied in it, elvish ingenuity at its finest.

[@ValtteriMyllymäki]

The scene with the dialog between Smeagol and Gollum goes to show you what a genius Andy Serkis is, the scene was shot in one take while Serkis switched between characters on the fly

[@magicbrownie1357]

The inspiration for Lord of the Rings was not any war, but author J.R.R. Tolkien's love of language. Especially Welsh, Finnish and Old English. He lamented the loss of any true English folklore, that was wiped out after the Norman invasion of 1066, so Tolkien wrote many books on these new "legends" he came up with himself. Much of which is centered around three languages he fully developed himself. Two Elven languages and Dwarvish. They all have alphabets, syntax and vocabularies and can be learned. Tolkien did draw upon his personal experience in the trenches of World War ONE, not Two, as inspiration for some parts, most notably, the Dead Marshes that Frodo and Sam and Gollum pass through in The Two Towers. But war was not the inspiration for the entire series.

[@Makkaru112]

Love your comment but rather emphasizing his dislike for allegory and wrote forwards to his own book stating they are not allegories to the war and he tried to make sure the reader never glorifies war etc. but he did state in the same forward that in this case he can understand that allegory as far as the reader’s interpretation goes is a fair one. ❤😊

[@Makkaru112]

Tolkien was a veteran of the First World War and many other battles such as The Battle Of Somme etc. his works of art were to give back to the England as a form of restoring lost mythologies that he himself was a master of since he was a top professor of philology at Oxford. He did ALOT of his writing while in the trenches during WWI during small “breaks” while down in those trench forts built into the ground. And while he eldest son was in the Second World War; his Lord Of The Rings writings was strictly created above all else to give his eldest something to read while stationed wherever he was stationed. I forgot that part. They sent letters back and forth about it all the time. He was also the one and only son that actually protected his fathers legacy and work. A lot of his other work were put together BY his son after his father passed away. It’s well worth to react to the documentary behind the scenes film the director and crew and cast created together as well as the interview with the son Christopher Tolkien who you get to sort of enjoy a nice indoor and outdoor chat for like what came to about 1-2 hours of wonderful footage from an era that really must not be forgotten. His work shed a light on things like The Finnish Kalevala, Norwegian Elder Edda, The Welsh Mabinogion, The Norwegian Nibelungen, The Indian Bhagvagita & Several Irish Folklore + other Cultural things! The man also restored and translated ancient relics for the governments as one everyone trusted. Much of what’s in our dictionary come from his efforts as well. Anytime he spoke or even posted a comment into the paper as an editorial or response to certain issues as a very involved man for the world and the environment everyone turned their head to listen to him as everyone knew his worth and respected him greatly. His works show how NOT to glorify war; shows in the films if you pay close attention while watching the next films. Sharing what you know now via the after thoughts at the end of the second film! Remember. Extended edition. There is a lot missed out on especially in the second movie regarding Boromir backstory which there is much more in the books but the films WANTED to keep more but the cinemas literally harangued him into making a “theatrical cut” which is why you have two versions. The real version and the “theatrical cut”. It was all to make more money for the company that is the theatres/cinemas. To get more showings in per day during the year. And believe me. People were camping outside and travelling the country to watch it MORE THAN ONCE. His creations literally lead to inspiring the most currently famous books games & movies we all literally wouldn’t have enjoyed and be touched to our souls core without him and his spiritually connected brilliance. That and he was a philologist professor at Oxford first and foremost which covers so many things. Not just linguistic. The man was a true genius and Jack of all trades but ultimately LOVED the simple life. World Of Warcraft. Skyrim, Harry Potter, Diablo, D&D, even Warhammer and so forth wouldn’t have. Existed without taking inspiration from and or completely ripping off from Tolkien. Many great documentaries to react to about him also more about him and AWESOME stuff from the hours and hours of behind the scenes documentaries from the DVDs of the movies which are also on KZbin and I can send you a playlist to react to from top to bottom

[@jordinagel1184]

@@Makkaru112thank you! Far too often do I see people quote Tolkien regarding allegories as a way to make it sound like he just never used them, which is downright laughable. After all, if the Shire and Isengard (and, to a lesser extent, Mordor) aren’t allegories for the unspoiled British countryside and its destruction by rampant industrialism, I’m the emperor of China. Somehow people who jumped on the “Tolkien always and forever hated allegories and would never use them” always ignore that point when I make it… But it is true that he did not want political allegories in his work, meaning that none of the evil forces in the story are meant to represent Nazis, for example.

[@melanie62954]

@@jordinagel1184 The definition for allegory is fluid, I suppose, but when I think allegory I think of Narnia and the crucifixion/resurrection of Christ, or Orwell's Animal Farm, where each animal represents a historical figure in the Russian Revolution. Tolkien pulled themes from many experiences in his life, but he wasn't trying to retell anything in a 1:1 symbolic sequence of events like allegories do. What Tolkien does, I would consider allusion or metaphor, not allegory. That said, I do agree that people overstate his hatred for allegory. He simply wanted readers to be able to find their own meaning.

[@jamesgibson8088]

I remember reading that Tolkien got the idea of the dead marshes from seeing huge holes in the ground from artillery with dead bodies in that would fill with water when it rained

[@richardhansen3703]

When Legolis was surfing down the stairs while shooting arrows, that part was in the regular movie also.

[@cameronvanderpool9633]

I've been a lover of Tolkien since I was 10yrs old and I'm SO here for all the new fans! So excited to see so many new people discover the magic of Middle Earth

[@kyrabergen3553]

Lord of the Rings is probably my favorite movie trilogy of all time. It's always a treat getting to watch others experience it for the first time!

[@khalillahgreen8776]

Another great reaction! I'm so happy that you're doing this trilogy 💗 and as others have said, Mr. October you are definitely on the right path with a lot of your theories, and for someone who's never seen these movies, your perception is spot on! But as usual, for me, it's your humor and energy that does it for me; the "That's that Aveeno" and "He's built like a wisdom tooth" are classics by themselves! 😅😅 Thank you for watching the extended edition for these last 2 movies, and be sure you have tissues ready 🤧 for the Return of the King 🤴🏻 you'll be glad to have them! 😉

[@TheOctobersReact]

oh we balled our eyes out !

[@Shap0o.PlayZz]

38:09 awe man.. there are sooo many good scenes in this.. imma go cry in the corner.. 44:24 This scene as well man.. damn, i love most of the scenes with Eyowyn and Scenes with Aragorn and the other 2

[@muhest]

The extended version gives you a bit of the backstory of Boromir and Faramir. And tells how Boromir ended up at the council of Elrond in _Fellowship of the Ring._ That is not highlighted in the theatrical version.

[@hughdavies1755]

' Mrs October trusted Smeagol and now she is dead ! ' lmao ... you guys kill me ! .. 😁

[@TheOctobersReact]

way too much trust in that guy

[@Shalltear773]

there's only one question I have about Smeagol: could he have been saved? we saw his evil side disappear for a bit after his argument... self-argument thing yet it returns seemingly only after he was put in a position where he... them... whichever... could've perceived the situation at the pool as Frodo tricking him.

[@zenocrate4040]

Tolkien has some really interesting musings on this point in his letters. Some of these have been published in an edition edited by Carpenter (sometimes edited more than serves either reader or Tolkien...)

[@humanbean5878]

The last march of the Ents always gives me chills...every single time

[@robertedgar7497]

Helms Deep is one of the best battles put on film in cinema history, 45 min of pure insanity and awesome, and masterfully shot. If you have the time i would highly recommend watching the making of these movies, yes the making of is just as long as the movies, but well worth watching.

[@christinamariotti7205]

The soup scene was added, the Arwen stuff was stretched out, the whole flashback with Boromir was added that’s all I came remember from the top of my head