Ignatius of Antioch - The Complete Story Documentary | Church Fathers

[@kurtclemmens135]

Regarding doubts about the Eucharist, pray to the Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to Christ’s words in chapter 6 of John’s gospel. He mostly clears the room with his shocking words. And notice the Lord doubles down!! This corresponds well with the opening of this gospel “and the Word became flesh”. It also corresponds with the place of Christ’s birth in Bethlehem (house of bread) and the fact that Mary laid the Christ child in a manger (feeding trough). Absolutely beautiful!!!!

[@justinrehm268]

Except that John chapter six occurs before the last supper. Nowhere in chapter six is the Eucharist mentioned. You would have to start with an assumption about the Eucharist and read that assumption back into those verses. In fact if you read through the Gospel of John from beginning to end in one sitting one of the themes that is apparent is the frequency with which Jesus audience takes his illustrations TOO literally. Misunderstanding the spiritual content behind his physical allegories: - “living water” with woman at the well - being born again with Nicodemus Believing that there is some physical ritual you must perform, some magic spell, essentially, that you must participate in that has spiritual impact is no different than the pagan beliefs humanity has had for its entire existence. The message of the Gospel is the once for all sufficient sacrifice of the Son of God on our behalf. Solus Christus Soli Deo Gloria

[@markpeter1968]

Beautifully said. The church was born on pentecost and then the bible years later

[@t.d6379]

​@justinrehm268 alternatively you could not just read the whole of John but the whole of the OT and John and realise Jesus is the new Mana from heaven. Then read all the early church fathers who learned from the Apostles and see how they ALL believed in the Real Presence as well as Baptismal Regeneration and to be within Christs Church you need to be under the Bishop who succeeded the apostles. I feel terrible for Protestants, living such a swallow faith whilst Orthodox and Catholics enjoy the fullness of the faith even in schism.

[@MegaTechno2000]

@@justinrehm268 St. Ignatius Of Antioch A.D. 110 They [the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 7)

[@TheRealRenn]

@@t.d6379ironic how a follower of the antiChrist pagan ‘religion’ ‘feels terrible’ for Protestant Bible reading Followers of Christ…..you know, the very same people your antiChrist pagan religion tortured and murdered by the millions over the centuries. Shocker….

[@timothyrday1390]

I think you meant that the Greeks established the city in the 4th century BC.

[@travist7777]

(Yikes! Makes you wonder what else might be off?)

[@A_Saucerful_of_Secrets]

Another inaccuracy is that he used the flag of the HRE to represent the Romans. When I saw it, I started laughing (the HRE was a Germanic empire pretending to be Roman)

[@anthonyh4125]

I was just searching the comments to see who picked up that he meant 4th C BC instead of AD. While these videos are very well presented, the author/director needs to proof read the script a little bit better than that. Otherwise, excellent videos

[@logicaldude3611]

@@travist7777 It's an AI video. It's likely generally correct but the details will always be off.

[@logicaldude3611]

@@anthonyh4125 It's just an AI video. It'll have a lot of good information but also a myriad of details that aren't correct. A real person isn't reading the script, a real person probably didn't write the script, and a real person probably didn't put together the pictures for the video. You could say that it's almost entirely an AI generated video.

[@ripmod1]

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnians

[@cheese9879]

You stole my thunder. lol

[@juncatv]

Same here... ohh well, I will post it anyway but Ill put it in greek: Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἤτω, ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ῇ Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ἐκεῖ ἡ Καθολικὴ Ἐκκλησία.

[@GardenMinistry.]

Amén 🙏🏽

[@sw8741]

And right there is the beginning of many wrongs. Equating any man to Christ is foolish at best and a sin at worst.

[@mzt7595]

First time the word Catholic word was said

[@kaymuldowney6752]

Thank you God. Be from Ireland.

[@yohanaogom6661]

Amen.

[@tomislavpusic6216]

5:47; Location of Smyrna and Ephesus are on the wrong western coast, locations should be on the western coast of Anatolia

[@paddyearly]

Powerful Saint and Church history🙏 Very well produced🙏

[@tezhug1890]

Aside from the typos

[@TheRealRenn]

It is AI generated and you folks don't even notice?

[@robstevens9590]

0:20 - The Greeks conquered the area in the4th century BC not AD.

[@adamclark1972uk]

I think you must be right.

[@kumarg3598]

I wonder which macedonian did that?

[@ChaplainDeanna]

Thank you.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

In the first century, there seems to have been multiple bishops per congregation of believers and not only one (or one per many churches). Paul's epistle to Titus instructed him to ordain "elders in every city" (i.e. multiple elders (bishops) per city).

[@evangelion1962]

No. Elders are priests.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@evangelion1962 What is the Greek word for "priest"? How many of those are in a congregation of believers? Answer that question and learn.

[@annemurphy9339]

True, there were numerous elders (no priests).

[@andrealepitkova6099]

CONTEX SOUND IN REAL TRUTH BEKOSE REMAIND ME ON LETTER TO TIMOTEY ,FROM APOSTOL PAU L(GLORY TO GOD CHURCH MUST GO IN ONE SPIRIT, HOLY=HOPPE=THANKFULEST... And testemony JESUS IS LIVE!!!! Blesyou all.....

[@WilliamDusing]

Great video!

[@TheologyAcademy]

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[@Mariosilvagt3]

Saint Ignatious is one of the early fathers of christianity. His mentor was the apostle Saint John. Saint ignatious was the one who named the church Catholic in reference of Christ's Church. So to our protestant brothers now you know what Catholic means. Peace!

[@nobodyspecial9262]

Catholic also means Universal. The Catholic Church is the One True Universal Church. The one beautiful thing about the Catholic Church is the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist at Mass and I can go to Mass almost anywhere and pretty much know what is going on and what the readings are in almost any language.

[@eugenehosack5294]

He may have said Catholic in the universal sense, but it was the first Church called " Christian "not Catholic as the "Catholic church" implies.

[@mavisemberson8737]

​@@nobodyspecial9262 The Orthodox Churches have this as their description. Have a look at Orthodox wiki! They were the original churches and Rome was only one of them. Alexandria Jerusalem Antioch and later Constantinople. They are still around and flourishing throughout the world. The history of EARLY Western Christendom is worth investigating. It's not what we have been led to believe by academic histotians.

[@Thomas-lg6jx]

​@@eugenehosack5294catholic church is Christ's church. Apostles Creed 33 A D on day of Pentecost St.Matthews line :" One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church "!!! St.Mathhew inspired by God the Holy Ghost called the church Catholic.

[@eugenehosack5294]

@@Thomas-lg6jx Greek, meaning universal, not The "Catholic church" as defined by Rome.

[@briankelly5828]

Greeks conquered in 4th century BC not AD as said at start of video. Otherwise, very useful video, thank you.

[@TheRealRenn]

Sometimes the AI creators get it wrong. Too bad most of the goats never notice.

[@scottsantos7755]

Amazing documentary thank you !

[@RadRat1978]

Not really, it's filled with inaccuracies. Shows wrong flags, has city locations on maps in wrong areas, etc.. pretty embarrassing

[@ex-engineer6657]

Thanks again.

[@TheRealRenn]

"ex-engineer" and you do not notice the content is completely AI generated?

[@dynamic9016]

Thanks much for this video.

[@richardglady3009]

Thank you for this series of videos. You do a great job summarizing the lives of these early, important Christians. Following the example of Christ, martyrdom, at this time, was seen as a positive thing.

[@ragnapodewski4694]

We need the men like Ignatius or Polycarp

[@justamannn8674]

Excellent! Ty!

[@jonassimonking4981]

May his blesses be with us

[@hakangunenc4942]

Your videos are very good and informatve. but in the St. Polycarp and St. Ignatius videos’ maps are wrong.. İzmir(Smyrna),Magnesia(Manisa), Tralles, Philadelphia. Today all of them today in Turkiye. But your maps shows them in Greece. I hope you can fix this mistakes.Thanks and Greetings from Izmir Turkiye.

[@Mersenne100]

This is a good video. But there is a mistake early on. It says the Greeks established Antioch in the 4th century AD. It was 4th century BC.

[@glennlanham6309]

Ignatius the Great

[@tylerpearson7860]

I went to grad school for this stuff and these are great videos.

[@TheologyAcademy]

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[@glennlanham6309]

what school?

[@andrewtham8093]

0:15 do you mean BC instead of AD?

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

Yes, that must be some mistake. Christ's peace!

[@TheologyAcademy]

Thanks for catching it.

[@TheologyAcademy]

Thanks for correcting it Fr. John

[@sureshmaddela2161]

Thank You brother.. for Great information 🙏🙏🙏🙌

[@arthursabarre2897]

Amen and Amen 🙏

[@jamestrotter3162]

4th century AD?

[@lalobetancort452]

I believe that should be 4th century BC

[@TheologyAcademy]

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[@mitchellosmer1293]

Why was he killed and by whom? He was killed by Roman soldiers for preaching to Christians the Word of God. (Killed for preaching to FOLLOWERS of Christ---)---

[@kurtclemmens135]

Nowhere in the Bible is the word “Trinity”mentioned, yet it exists in not only the Catholic Church, but most Protestant denominations as well.

[@jarrettesselman8144]

It is a crystal clear teaching throughout scripture. Go away, Marxist.😊

[@johns6704]

John 1:1 might want to read that. Every manuscript of John ever found says the same thing.

[@walkingbillboard7437]

I like what I’m hearing

[@catmando1786]

at 10:59 you spelled Anvil incorrectly as envil.

[@Mason_O]

Seems he’s wrongly placing Smyrna and Ephesus on the wrong peninsula right before Rome across the Ionian Sea? When the map in my Bible places Smyrna and Ephesus on the land of Asia before the Aegean Sea east of where he places it in this video

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

It doesn’t sound strange to wish to die for faith in Christ. It is strange for Non-Catholics because they are foreign of redemptive suffering, temporal punishment due to sin and even baptism. When we are baptized we are baptized into His death so we can rise with Him.🙏🏼

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

False, non Catholics such as myself are NOT foreign to redemptive suffering. What you said is simply an unbelievably ignorant statement.

[@adamclark1972uk]

@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 I agree. It's a bit ignorant.

[@adamclark1972uk]

Also, the word is rise, not raise.

[@lizmonard]

@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 that’s a work.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

@@adamclark1972uk Thanks

[@WMedl]

There was no unified early church but a plethora of different views also on the nature of Jesus. Even after the council of Chelcedon there was no unanimously accepted view. In the first century there was a process of deification of Jesus that is reflected in the four gospels. The church of Jerusalem, the dominant church till 70 e.g. was a jewish community still believing in the Thora and going to the temple. Pauls constant struggles with those christian jews is reflected in his denunciations of circumcised missionaries. The Ebionites and Nazereens on the one side and gnostic groups on the other side were often assembled in the same communities. There was political pressure in the course of the legalisation and the making Christianity a state religion to adopt unanimous doctrines which led to the first councils which resulted in a frozen splitting.

[@koppite9600]

It was unified from the beginning. You can tell by Acts 15 Council uniting all churches. The Leader was Peter

[@WMedl]

@@koppite9600 No, the so called council in Acts deals with the problem that had arisen in Antioch on the following the law including circumcision and has seemed to be settled. But Paul founded a lot of “churches” not directly connected to the community of Jerusalem and throughout all his letters Paul blamed groups and missionaries trying to “convert” his followers to obeying the law disqualifying the as “Circumcised”. If You consider that the Acts had been written in the 90th thus about 60 years later they do not contain any formal structure of a local church (aka community), no sacerdotal hierarchy, no sacraments, no unified canon, no theology let alone the idea of a unified church then Your statement is quite strange.

[@koppite9600]

@@WMedl deals with Antioch from Jerusalem.. shows that the administration was one hence one church. Paul traveled a lot and founded many churches, he always came back to the Apostles to be verified and accepted. Galatians 2. The church is always 1.

[@marknovetske4738]

You are definitely a spinner of false history! We're your original source documents to back up your outlandish claims😂

[@WMedl]

@@marknovetske4738 Most of the documents of different non proto-orthodox groups had been destroyed by the latter but con be partially retrieved by the church fathers scripts: Tertullian: De Praescriptionibus adversus Haereticos Origen. Contra Celsum If you had any idea on the biblical history you would not have uttered such!

[@mzt7595]

You mean Catholic

[@vik2nes]

Ignatius the worthy

[@boystantoytle5520]

I LOVE THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH!!!!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday) Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday) Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday) Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday) Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday) Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, (Sunday) John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover >>> .The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). >>>> I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why???? Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41

[@boystantoytle5520]

Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead. The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@boystantoytle5520 quote---Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead.--unquote That is an OPINION and a lie!!! Why? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41 >>>>>DO NOT quote Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Romans 14:3 or Colossians 2:16-23. ----quote---The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.--unquote Which is Sunday. Whene did Jesus have a Mass?

[@elijahreynolds2110]

Every few months can someone reply to this comment so I can nerd out about church history again? Thank you!:)

[@Doppelier]

Wake up, bro. Time to nerd out about catholic history.

[@elijahreynolds2110]

@@Doppelier thank you bro! I get to nerd out about ignatius again lol

[@elijahreynolds2110]

@@_rob_. just in time🫡I’ve been considering reading his works and you love given me the sign to start🫡

[@mindofchrist2301]

Hello hello hello

[@carlyw8749]

Hey

[@RadRat1978]

Dude showed a HRE flag and referred to the Roman Empire 🙄 Edit: also shows Smyrna in the wrong location on the map. Be careful with amateur YT history lessons lol

[@MichaelAbraham-qy9py]

Within first 2-3 minutes of this, the audio narrative says that Antioch was created by Greeks in “third century AD.” This is obviously incorrect. It was 3rd century BC. I will forgo question of the accuracy of the claim that there was no city or village there before this one developed/built by the Greeks.

[@ThePaleface54]

Please check the spelling in this video.. Doctrine, not Doctorine.

[@tillo1981]

Ignatius was a great Catholic 😎😎😎

[@GopnikVlad]

ignatius and all were catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Rome strayed from true teachings and appointed itself head.

[@andyontheinternet5777]

Very interesting video. Smyrna is in the wrong place on the map.

[@joelesperas-wy5by]

who did reAlly called christians ,is it a believers or haters? please give me brief background thanks?

[@mitchellosmer1293]

CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",

[@defman9414]

Nice video. However, you have soo many typos that detract from the professionalism. 4:25 "Matthew", 5:09 "Christian", 9:26 "Divinity"...

[@TheAnnoDomini]

You forgot to mention St. Ignatius' statement to hold special reverence for the "President" of the church in Rome...

[@suoidolem]

Thanks for trying to educate! Please be careful about the facts though, especially timelines and geographic locations. Smyrna and all the other Greek cities of Asia Minor are shown on mistaken spots on the video maps. At the time it was all Roman Empire, but the locations are now in modern Turkey, not in Greece as you show on the video. I suppose you mistook the coastlines.

[@charlesmyre7016]

Don’t you mean 4th century ‘BC’ not ‘AD’?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Evidently, at this time, the Book of Hebrews was not yet considered in the doctrine of the church. The Book of Hebrews put an end to a ghostly/angel-like Jesus who only appeared physical. Hebrews stresses the importance of Jesus being a flesh and blood human being with the spirit of God. If Jesus wasn't a human then He could not have died for our sins. Heb. 2:14-17 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

min 8:22 If you are really honest with yourself. Church Unity is that we are under one Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. Only found in the Catholic Church.🙏🏼

[@christopherlees1134]

The modern Catholic Church is nothing like the first century church as described in the book of acts and other New Testament books. They do not worship Mary, they do not see Mary as a co-redeemer, they do not see Mary as another intercessor. Ignatius would rebuke the Catholic Church house it is known today, all the way back to the fourth century, for false doctrine.

[@mimieakutagawa5145]

@@christopherlees1134 Well, Christopher you're just another envious and jealous creature whose heart is full of hatred against the Catholic Church. What ever truth is there your heart finds fault to discredit the originality of the church's state. You must read more with humility and with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit and not those comment that can be discerned as coming from a jealous heart.

[@christopherlees1134]

@@mimieakutagawa5145 Your personal attack against me leaves my points uncontested, but it does show your frustration.

[@christopherlees1134]

@@Jerry-er6lq What did I say that isn't true? Let's talk about that.

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

​​​​​​@@mimieakutagawa5145 wow dude, Christopher Lee wrote a very respectable and non insulting comment. Then you turn around and call him a creature (as if he's no better than an animal) and tell him he's full of hatred and jealousy of the Catholic church. So Christopher makes a comment that has no insults whatsoever in it. He just stated what he believed. Then you turn around and accuse him of being full of hatred after you make hateful comments to him calling him a hateful and jealous animal. Do you have any idea how ignorant it is to claim that a Protestant like me is jealous of the Catholic Church? If we were envious and jealous we would simply join the church. But we know that the Catholic church is telling lies and nonsense But your attitude towards Christopher after he wrote a perfectly respectable and not insulting statement certainly demonstrates the love of Christ right? Wow, really makes me want to come to a Catholic church and feel some of that love. ... Not.

[@sojournersunrise2290]

so the Church didnt REALLY start for four hundred years? 400 years shows up a couple times huh

[@lizmonard]

It started as a fulfilment of Judaism, then separated into the ‘way’, then called catholic (universal) as it spread.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Judaism is NOT the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Israel. Judaism began when the southern kingdom of Judah returned to Canaan, complete with pagan converts such as Edomites, and the forerunner of the Talmud, the Tradition of the Elders. Christianity is a perfect fulfilment of Hebrewism. It is not an offshoot of Judaism.

[@johnworby5130]

@@geordiewishart1683 most of so called christianity is a cult that follows a false jesus, not the real Messiah who said "follow Me", yet the "church" went off and did just whatever looked good in the eyes of man. Most people who read Scripture do so from western perceptions and customs, this is wrong

[@wendylang2360]

​@@geordiewishart1683Wasn't Judaism all that was left of Hebrewism? Weren't all the Northern tribes dispersed & lost from Hebrew history?

[@PhillipCalvin627]

300 you mean. As mentioned, the 4th Century would be significant as that was when Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and Christians ceased to be persecuted in Rome and therefore able to worship without being beheaded during Mass like Pope Sixtus II in the 3rd Century along with all of his Deacons present at the time. Typically Mass was celebrated in secrecy somewhere less conspicuous like a cemetery or a crypt in the early Roman Church, but the Church certainly existed long before the 4th Century. Also as mentioned, Ignatius himself was killed in the early 2nd Century and scholars conclude his writings date back to such a time. You have extant writings of Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Eusebius and exerts from Papias, and Quadratus that still exist from the 1st and 2nd Centuries that suggest that the Church existed from the time of the Apostles under persecution until that 300 years later, being the 4th century, when Christianity became the Official Religion of Rome.

[@waltervanderkamp742]

where is Smyrna?

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

Smegma. It's the Bishop of Smegma

[@davidkarunakaran2129]

4th Century AD??? Please check. I think its 4th Century BC

[@noblemottythomas7664]

The third Patriarch who has compiled heavenly dreams into 7 epistles and he was the same boy lord Jesus took in his hands

[@allandemansana739]

As there abound reminders of what happened before, even if it is indeed sacred: We knew with solid proofs that can never be disputed, there can [here SHALL is an emphasis of literature but even these line of pleadings is actually telling what to do wrong ] never be peace. No matter how many New Testaments would come if it remains that it is really us who doesn't play our part in the economy of salvation, ...He "will remember sins no more..." will not happen. For sure, one of us will do a sacred prayer and gathering and will read what WAS and what WAS, and then, WILL REMEMBER NO MORE??? Another thing, it will not that a chicken (not rooster for the sake of not saying a curse because for sure it will not be understood) somebody here will deny one that is other for him...If some became like those never known by any of you will again say where did this is written, let this be a prayer of protection to any who will dare to answer but actually not answer but committing self judgment: brother Paul said: let this be devoid of correctness but surely can be understood easily if there is LOVE: when there was no law, there is no??? when the law came, there was an irressistable urges in at least one of those, in the body or not in a body i dont know; might have religiously celebrate such and or studied puzzling and jumbling of marrying that verse to this, and this to that; and walla, mahghicas a solid unreasonable confusion results again, else continue arguing for argumentation is good and is devoid of demonoid just shakle the feeling and all sorts of any that muscles when laboring, guess what in the long run, hairs gives the sign of wisdom that is not, going to be what we don't need to say...

[@MichaelMAFox]

4th century BC, not AD

[@geordiewishart1683]

Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century. He was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom. He taught that churches should have elders and a ruling bishop; in other words, he was exalting one bishop over another, whereas in scripture the terms “bishop” and “elder” refer to the same humble office in the assembly (Titus 1:5-7). He taught that all churches are a part of one universal church. He claimed that a church does not have authority to baptize or conduct the Lord’s Supper unless it has a bishop. These relatively innocent errors helped prepare the way for more error in the next century.

[@pendletondrew]

Who taught Ignatius these errors? His teacher John the Apostle?

[@geordiewishart1683]

How would I know? I wasn't there. Why would someone have had to have taught him? Maybe it was pagan influence?

[@pendletondrew]

I just think the claim you're making here is a bit of a stretch and not really supported by the passage in Titus you mentioned. What passages from the NT or Ignatius' writings led you to this conclusion? For me, the elders/overseers are spoken about very similarly in both but I am not an expert.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Which of my claims are you querying? that Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century? That he was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom? That he taught that churches should have elders and a ruling bishop; in other words, he was exalting one bishop over another? Or that in scripture the terms “bishop” and “elder” refer to the same humble office in the assembly (Titus 1:5-7)? Or that he taught that all churches are a part of one universal church? Or that he claimed that a church does not have authority to baptize or conduct the Lord’s Supper unless it has a bishop?

[@ContriteCatholic]

Errors by the man who was taught by Polycarp, student of the Apostle John. Thank you @geordiewishart1683 for correcting the errors of those who lived alongside the very first witnesses.

[@lawpilot8526]

3/10/2024 - if Antioch was one of the major centers of Christianity, which city was the major center of Christianity?

[@TheKf320]

By then Rome Constantinople Alexandria

[@brewcity2317]

Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria were the 3 most influential Holy Sees in Early Christianity. Later Jerusalem and Constantinople became major Holy Sees thus all them became known today as the 5 Great Holy Sees of Christianity.

[@riplee406]

Why are these peeps called "Bishops"? They didn't have that term at that time, nor did they reply to leaders as "Bishops"? Can someone provide some historical context?

[@MUSIC-MARY]

“Office of a Bishop.” (1 Timothy 3:1) (189 A.D.) St. Irenaeus: “Apostles [Peter and Paul] founded the church [of Rome]… succession… Linus the office of the episcopate (office of a Bishop)... Clement the bishopric.” (Against Heresies Book III Chapter 3:2-4) (CCC 857-863) (354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Catholic church episcopal succession [the BISHOPS of ROME] from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapters 4 & 5) First Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:23-26)? YES! Apostles pass authority to Episkopoi (Koine Greek) Bishop (English) (Philippians 1:1) a.k.a. Páppas (Koine Greek) Pope (English)! (Apostolic succession - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia) (CCC 552) (Acts 6:6, 9:17-19) (Matthew 16:18) (107 A.D.) St. Ignatius: “Let no man do anything connected with the church without the Bishop.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:1)

[@riplee406]

@@MUSIC-MARY I was looking for Biblical references specifically. Simply curious if anyone outside the ACTS church referred to a position as "Bishop". I get the impression this was a term to denote church hierarchy and was something created later and not a term specifically given by the apostles.

[@PhillipCalvin627]

@@riplee406 1 Timothy 1-3 is in the Bible, written by St. Paul. Our friend has also provided a cipher for you to reference from Greek. "The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of Bishop desires a noble task. Now a Bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money." Clement in his First Epistle to the Corinthians about 40 years after Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians is another great reference. Not Biblical but about as far back as you could possibly go without being in the Bible and was at one point even included with some Bibles until about the time of the Reformation. 44:1 Our Apostles, too, by the instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ, knew that strife would arise concerning the dignity of a Bishop; 44:2 and on this account, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed the above-mentioned as Bishops and Deacons: and then gave a rule of succession, in order that, when they had fallen asleep, other men, who had been approved, might succeed to their ministry. Clement himself is named in Philippians 4:3 also written by Paul. He references and directs the Corinthians back to 1 Corinthians repeatedly, insinuating familiarity between Paul's Epistle and suggesting that it is probable he is the Clement mentioned by Paul. Didache which is typically attributed to the first century by most scholars as well has a subsection on the topic of Bishops and Deacons. Chapter 15. Bishops and Deacons; Christian Reproof. Appoint, therefore, for yourselves, Bishops and Deacons worthy of the Lord, men meek, and not lovers of money, and truthful and proved; for they also render to you the service of prophets and teachers. Therefore do not despise them, for they are your honored ones, together with the prophets and teachers. Though these other examples may not be directly Biblical, it does suggest that it was used by the early Church within, at the most, a couple of decades. These documents also show a process of Apostolic Succession that existed in the Early Church in the First Century. You may notice the wordage is close to that of 1 Timothy above in Didache and also shows a lot of similarities concerning Sacraments described in the Gospel of Matthew should you decide to read it. Suffice it to say, it is fairly certain that these are reasonable references that any Christian could trust as close to Scripture as one could get and in the case of Timothy, from Scripture itself.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

@@riplee406 Yes indeed

[@SarahHodgins]

it was in 400 BC that the Greeks started to Hellenize everything, that was Alexander the Great's idea...not 400 AD

[@clarkent711]

Greeks conquered Antioch area in 4th Century BC, NOT AD

[@sojournersunrise2290]

10:55 unless that anvil is floating in mercury. saw that vid the other day

[@TheBinaryWolf]

Having read the six letters of Ignatius, it became clear to me that although he was a most faithful believer, he was no theologian. The seeds of humanism had already infected the early church, and by the fourth century, Jesus' prophecy of the church falling away--replacing the traditions of the apostles with heretical ones--came to pass. After Jesus was raised from the dead and descended to heaven, Satan wasted no time in corrupting the church, firstly extolling man to the status of being worthy of glory that belongs solely to God as reiterated throughout the four Gospels then having Rome hijack Christianity. The old Serpent has an iron grip on the universal church, and he is not about to let go. Cite Scripture to a follower of papal Rome and watch the demons rise like vipers, ready to defend their antichrists.

[@mikejames303]

Lol is this how protestants are getting around the fact that the early Church was Catholic now? Calling Jesus a liar? Protestantism is a a demonic doctrine, may God guide you to the true faith, the faith that was preached by the Apostles and St.Ignatius.

[@evangelion1962]

Hmmm so you know more than the man taught by John. Hmmm Christ said the gates of hell would not withstand his church. Makes so much sense to follow the tradition of luther who commanded his followers to sin and sin boldly.

[@mikejames303]

@@evangelion1962 of course he thinks he does, protestantism is a vain prideful religion. The more I learn about the early Church the less I consider protestants Christian. There were always heretical sects that claimed to be Christian, Satan perverts the truth just enough to fool the ignorant.

[@mikejames303]

Jesus never prophecied that his Church would fall away, the gates of hell won't prevail against his Church. Protestantism is a perversion of the faith.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

@@evangelion1962 So you disapprove of Luther for protesting against papal Rome's practice of selling forgiveness of sin for money (indulgences), and for protesting against Rome's departure from Christ's teaching in the Holy Bible. You too accuse Christians of heresy for following Christ. Have you ever taken a humble moment to consider that you just might be deceived by Satan and unwittingly opposing Jesus? In His earthly ministry, Jesus was an evangelical protestant: He evangelized wherever He went, and He protested against the traditions of men (Mk.7:7). I know you loathe the Bible, but such disdain for Scripture is also disdain for the Author.

[@cathcolwell2197]

Wow I know that I would not be able to do what Ignatius did

[@juncatv]

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. ( Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἤτω, ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ῇ Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ἐκεῖ ἡ Καθολικὴ Ἐκκλησία.) Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnians.

[@TheApostelicPrincess]

Compare Bishops then and Bishops now It's a difference between sky and land

[@kiwihans100]

An objective view of Ignatius is revealing to those seeking accuracy in a true Christian quest! Firstly, why did he title himself 'Theophorus'. This means 'Godbearer'. apparently he claimed to be one of the little children that Jesus took into his arms! (There is no evidence for this.) Which for starters is quite a claim that would invoke a special & elevated position in the eyes of his fellow Christians! Secondly By reading his letters to vaious 'churches' it becomes evident that he had a preoccupation with his own death as a 'martyr'! He even hoped that the 'wild beasts in Rome would be ' enticed' to hasten his death! Thus again he wanted to stand out, to be recongised as someone 'special'. He focussed continually on the 'authority' of the bishops who had to be obeyed without question. Even their 'agape' ( love feasts, social occasions, ) could only be held with the PERMISSION of the bishop. Thus in summary he was a bit of a fanatic! Harse and ridged in his beliefs and instructions! he tended to "Seek the glory of men rather than the Gory of |God" John 12:43

[@chrisgunn9674]

St. Ignatius never claimed to have been the child that sat on the lap of Jesus. This was a rumor that came about from some of the people later in his life and could not be confirmed. What is historically documented is his ordination as Bishop by the Apostle Peter, therefore his education of Christianity comes with the authority given to the Apostles from Christ. John 20:21-23 "Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins they are forgiven; If you retain their sins, they are retained.' In fact, since the time of Christ, every single Bishop that has ever lived has been ordained by a legitimate Bishop before him, so that every single Bishop can trace his linage back to Christ. And you are correct, he desired to be martyred only to give Glory of God, and be with Christ in heaven. As did the 12 Apostles (all were martyred except John). I suggest actually reading the the writings of Ignatius, Irenaeus, Clement, Justin Martyr, heck read of any of the saints...one of the desires they all shared was this burning desire to leave this world and be with our Lord. Yes they were all "fanatics" because they were completely obsessed by their love of Jesus! Romans 8:18 "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed to us." *Also, the "love feasts" are referring to the Eucharist, the Body of Christ which is holy communion. Luke 22:19 "Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, " This is my body, which will be given up for you; do this in memory of me."

[@sameach613]

Couldn't be any more protestant

[@evangelion1962]

Truth hurts. The 1st century church was catholic. Pity you can't understand martyrdom. Maybe that's why protestants freak out about being left behind.

[@jonkentdickerson]

A little spell checking would go along way to improving this video.

[@ronreid1946]

It’s troubling to hear people speak, so cruel and divisively against pope Francis. I pray the Holy Spirit will help us all for the unity that we keep pushing away.🙏❤️

[@ashadowawhisper]

Speak the truth about heretics.

[@busker153]

We are exhorted by The Holy Spirit to maintain the unity of the Spirit until we come into the unity of the Faith. The belief that we should maintain the unity of the faith is contrary to scripture, and led to leader worship, and that led to the godless practice of popery, which was reformed into pastor/king worship found in our religious social clubs today.

[@irisheyes5890]

Orthodox Christians revere Ignatius.

[@farida7777777]

May grace and peace be multiplied unto you from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Saved by grace and faith alone. If you die at that moment you are saved. It is also important to know that such a person has not bore fruit yet. For those who need to live through Christ , you are saved by Grace and Faith alone and as you abide in Christ the sap of the True Vine will flow through bringing forth fruit in abidance with the sap(Holy Spirit) coming from Christ. The beauty of this fruit, is that it will bring forth works that last. The Father will then see this and start pruning the branch to bring forth more fruit.

[@ContriteCatholic]

Where does the bible say "faith alone" those exact words in that exact order. They appear only once, do you know where?

[@TsarOrthodoxBro_II]

The first person to espouse the idea of “once saved, always saved” was John Calvin in the mid-sixteenth century. Even Martin Luther didn't subscribe to the theory. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of the early Christians was that a person is capable of losing his salvation by committing mortal sin, as John spoke about in 1 John 5:16-17. In the first century, the Didache, commonly known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, said “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes. But you shall assemble together often, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made complete in the last time” (Didache 16 [A.D. 70]). In the second century, Irenaeus wrote, “To Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ [Phil. 2:10-11] to him, and that he should execute just judgment towards all. . . . The ungodly and unrighteous and wicked and profane among men [shall go] into everlasting fire; but [he] may, in the exercise of his grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept his commandments, and have persevered in his love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their penance, and may surround them with everlasting glory” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]). Such consistent testimony could be given from the dawn of Christianity until today, and no suggestion of “once saved, always saved” can be found on the lips of any Christian before Calvin

[@mikegyver3193]

Job 38:30 Authorized (King James) Version 30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Genesis 1:2 Authorized (King James) Version 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

[@sogodscanineeducator1450]

Kjv had so many mistranslation and many misinterpritation of the greek and hebrew manuscripts.

[@mikegyver3193]

@@sogodscanineeducator1450 Can you prove that

[@sogodscanineeducator1450]

@@mikegyver3193 several mistranslations and interpretative issues were; include "replenish" in Genesis 1:28, implying a refilling of the earth rather than simply filling it, and "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12, which originally referred to the "morning star" rather than Satan. The term "Easter" in Acts 12:4 is another mistranslation, as the original Greek referred to Passover. The Johannine Comma in 1 John 5:7, supporting the Trinity, was later added and is absent in early manuscripts. Translations like "kill" instead of "murder" in Romans 13:9, "angels" instead of "God" in Psalm 8:5, and "effeminate" in 1 Corinthians 6:9 reflect linguistic inaccuracies. Additionally, the mistranslation of "Moses' face shone" as "horned" in Exodus 34:29 led to incorrect depictions in art. Other examples include the misinterpretation of "in my flesh" in Job 19:26, the anachronistic addition of a doxology in Matthew 6:13, and the incorrect rendering of "every scripture inspired by God" in 2 Timothy 3:16. I could add more if you want to.

[@johndoe-g6f]

One of the fore fathers of the followers of Jesus Christ that cemented Catholic Churches as the main and original Church of Jesus Christ. Praise to you oh Lord Jesus Christ..

[@INRIVivatChristusRex]

This is a fraction of Chapter 7 from the letter of Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Smynearns. Chapter 7. Let us stand aloof from such heretics They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils. Taken from New Advent.

[@ContriteCatholic]

I don't know how one can read St Ignatius and not become Catholic. He's explicit in his teaching.

[@ContriteCatholic]

@@_rob_. Thank you for the suggestion, I just did and here's what I found: “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). I still don't see how on can not be Catholic after reading that. Could you shed some light for me?

[@ContriteCatholic]

@@_rob_. Did you read Fiducia Supplicans? What's wrong with blessing sinners?

[@MUSIC-MARY]

@@ContriteCatholic AMEN!!! (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)

[@AllentheBeloved]

that's my nigga, Ignatius, he be like, bring on the lions Hoorah get some!

[@sojournsojourntraveler1203]

A flowery version of the beginnings of the "church" deceptions.

[@_rob_.]

And who don't like flowers aye.

[@forestmoriarty2932]

Not AD, it was BC

[@youngsterjoey9038]

there were many inaccuracies in this video

[@petertawiah]

Thank God Ignatius letters were not accepted as part of the biblical cannon. The Spirit of God is all knowing

[@leroyanddorrissandmann9604]

Ll😊😊

[@lizmonard]

You really think the further Christianity moves from its origin, the more pure it becomes? 😂😂😂😂

[@petertawiah]

@@lizmonard well, my disagreement with Ignatius is on honouring the bishop as we do honour the Lord. Knowing very well that humans are not perfect and the devil can take control of institutional leadership.

[@Yaqubsalama]

@@lizmonard what do you mean?

[@lizmonard]

@@petertawiah I agree with that, I shouldn’t have jumped to the conclusion that you were Protestant! 😢

[@approvedofGod]

Your presentation is bias. Ignatius is accredited with writing fifteen letters. Eight of them are called "forgeries" by the majority of historians. The seven that you cited have "interpolations" and there are different versions of them. There is a long version and a short version. Some scholars do not agree that these are authentic either. It is not fair for you to present such a trouble-less rendition of one of the most debated of early church fathers.

[@7p396]

The idea of forgeries is not held beyond Jehovah's Witnesses. Most historians have moved on from that hypothesis.

[@approvedofGod]

@@7p396 The ones that move on are doing so because they want to hide the truth. They present a one-sided view of the fathers.

[@nummern]

*hindrance

[@paultrosclair1775]

4th century AD ??? Don't you mean BC ??? Helenization occured BEFORE Messiah came. In the time of the Earthly ministry of Jesus, the Romans had already taken over. You need to edit your videos better.

[@MUSIC-MARY]

(St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John) 107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (CCC 846-848)

[@biblestudy3756]

Your title says complete history? Why then you skip the word Catholic to his letter to Smyrnia? How about the Eucharist? This is very good behavior by prots hiding under the guise of faith? No not me. 😊

[@williamcuthbertson6575]

*400 BC

[@shy_pilgrim]

Another Stand firm as does an ENVIL that is hammered. Correct word is ANVIL.

[@joelesperas-wy5by]

it is correct the first christian called also baptist believer...

[@HenriettaKerr-g1u]

White Christopher White Eric Lopez Helen

[@jamesbecker578]

It never ceases to amaze me how these videos all show Jesus with long hair, when He himself stated that would be an abomination to God. Notice the other men all had short hair, as required by God.

[@jeffsaunders4812]

How long is long ? The scripture never says so it’s up to opinion.

[@TheBinaryWolf]

Friend, you have evidently not read the entire Bible. Therein, Jesus did instruct His disciples to record Scripture, who responded with fear of not recording His teaching accurately. Jesus assured them the Holy Spirit would give them the gift of remembrance. I was raised Roman Catholic and also unwittingly worshipped Mary. Only after being born again (Jn.3:3) did I receive " peace that passes all understanding"; and I left the apostate church to become a Christian. Yes, Satan has infiltrated the Protestant branch too, but a few still hold on to Christ's doctrine: viz. the Souther Baptists (the non charismatc) and the Grace Brethren. But Jesus foretold that this would happen: He rhetorically said, "When I return, will I find any faith," and so few will be saved "that even a child may count them." Why should you leave the papist church? Because God tells you to do so with great warning in Rev.18:4. You cannot follow Jesus and the pope at the same time, for they lead in opposite directions. And straight and narrow is the way to heaven. You will do well to read Mt.7:21-23, Rev.17 and tremble. Beloved, do not let anyone defraud you of eternal life. And who knows if tomorrow God will call you judgment. What will you say when He asks why you did not at least examine what his servant offered you?

[@Netziarh75]

Protopapism confusion between ❤authority of man

[@dvvbybeldanie8322]

I see all this arguments for this and that which clearly indicates that you are yet carnal.Incedently, the Catholic Church is not the Roman catholic church,but the Church of CHRIST, which includes all true believer's no matter what earthly church they belong to!!!

[@andrealepitkova6099]

Lie is that thay put pikcure on 4 corner in "church" ... Saund like thay think are wiser than Holly Wird=good news=bible, and humble LOVING God Yeshua

[@mitchellosmer1293]

Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE RESTED on the First day of Creation?--(to make the day special). Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE BLESSED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special). Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE SANCTIFIED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special). Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE NAMED the First day of the week ?--(to make the day special). Where in the Holy Bible does GOD say HE DECLARES the First day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY?--(to make the day special).

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@Nobody RC quote---I will ask you a question on which day Jesus rises from the dead?--unquote The first day of the week to fulfill prophesy. What day did GOD SAY to keep holy?????? NOT SUNDAY!!!!!

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@Nobody RC quote---The Sunday is first day of the week for every Christian--unquote That is as very broad statement. And it is wrong!!!! I HAVE had mant so-called "Christians" claim Sunday IS the 7th day of the week. Which implies God is a liar.

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@Nobody RC quote---Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath--unquote Really???Duh!!! Which means HE makes the rules regarding that day...NOT MAN!!!

[@alhilford2345]

​@@mitchellosmer1293 : Where, in the Holy Bible, does it say that everything that God said and did must be recorded in a book?

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@alhilford2345 quote---Where, in the Holy Bible, does it say that everything that God said and did must be recorded in a book?--unquote So, you want to add/subtract from His word!!! How will you know what the truth is then??? “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.) Later in this same book of the law, Moses repeated the admonition in similar words. -----“What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” (Deut. 12:32.) -------Revelation 22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. -------Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar --------Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar -----Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it -----Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. -----Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” (What Catholics have done!!) ------Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. (The Catholic Church) *****

[@billbissenas2973]

*BC

[@elyasessa5118]

Antioch is part of turkey boarder of Syria ,,, Antakya

[@jamesb7651]

This information begs questions in response to protestant claims that the Apostolic church paralleled a perversion by Romans: 1) If Ignatius weathered Roman (christian) persecution in the first century, how is it that Rome hijacked a growing church when it killed Christians upon identification. (2) Because there was no New Testament then, why shouldn't any Christian listen carefully to Ignatius (and Polycarp, and Iraneous) who were defending the spoken Word of Jesus (Tradition)? (3) If the 30,000 protestant denominations connect and follow with the Apostolic Fathers, why not LISTEN to Ignatius for holding fast to UNITY to prevent other ideas from infiltrating? 4) Did Luther, Swingli and Calvin hold to unit, even when persecuted by a church hierachy that can certainly error when not acting in the rare instances of infallibility? Humm?

[@geordiewishart1683]

Mzz_church_fathersMany people have walked into the Roman Catholic Church through the broad door of the “church fathers,” and this is a loud warning today when there is a widespread attraction to the “church fathers” within evangelicalism. The Catholic apologetic ministries use the “church fathers” to prove that Rome’s doctrines go back to the earliest centuries. In the book Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic, David Currie continually uses the church fathers to support his position. He says, “The other group of authors whom Evangelicals should read ... is the early Fathers of the Church” (p. 4). The contemplative prayer movement is built on this same weak foundation. The late Robert Webber, a Wheaton College professor who was one of the chief proponents of this back to the “church fathers” movement, said: “The early Fathers can bring us back to what is common and help us get behind our various traditions ... Here is where our unity lies. ... evangelicals need to go beyond talk about the unity of the church to experience it through an attitude of acceptance of the whole church and an entrance into dialogue with the Orthodox, Catholic, and other Protestant bodies” (Ancient-Future Faith, 1999, p. 89). The fact is that the “early Fathers” were mostly heretics! This term refers to various church leaders of the first few centuries after the apostles whose writings have been preserved. The only genuine “church fathers” are the apostles and prophets their writings that were given by divine inspiration and recorded in the Holy Scripture. They gave us the “faith ONCE delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). The faith they delivered is able to make us “perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). We don’t need anything beyond the Bible. The teaching of the “church fathers” does not contain one jot or tittle of divine revelation. The term “church fathers” is a misnomer that was derived from the Catholic Church’s false doctrine of hierarchical church polity. These men were not “fathers” of the church in any scriptural sense and did not have any divine authority. They were merely church leaders from various places who have left a record of their faith in writing. But the Roman Catholic Church exalted men to authority beyond the bounds designated by Scripture, making them “fathers” over the churches located within entire regions and over the churches of the whole world. The “church fathers” are grouped into four divisions: Apostolic Fathers (second century), Ante-Nicene Fathers (second and third centuries), Nicene Fathers (fourth century), and Post-Nicene Fathers (fifth century). Nicene refers to the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 that dealt with the issue of Arianism and affirmed the doctrine of Christ’s deity. Thus, the Ante-Nicene Fathers are so named because they lived in the century before this council, and the Post-Nicene, because they lived in the century following the council. All of the “church fathers” were infected with some false doctrine, and most of them were seriously infected. Even the so-called Apostolic Fathers of the second century were teaching the false gospel that baptism, celibacy, and martyrdom provided forgiveness of sin (Howard Vos, Exploring Church History, p. 12). And of the later “fathers”--Clement, Origen, Cyril, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, Theodore, and John Chrysostom--the same historian admits: “In their lives and teachings we find the seed plot of almost all that arose later. In germ form appear the dogmas of purgatory, transubstantiation, priestly mediation, baptismal regeneration, and the whole sacramental system” (Vos, p. 25). In fact, one of the Post-Nicene “fathers” is Leo, the first Roman Catholic “pope”! Therefore, the “church fathers” are actually the fathers of the Roman Catholic Church. They are the men who laid the foundation of apostasy that produced Romanism and Greek Orthodoxy. The New Testament Scriptures warns frequently that there would be an apostasy, a turning from the faith among professing Christians. The apostles and prophets warned said this apostasy had already begun in their day and warned that it would increase as the time of Christ’s return draws nearer. Paul testified of this in many places, giving us a glimpse into the vicious assault that was already plaguing the work of God. Consider his last message to the pastors at Ephesus (Acts 20:29-30). Paul warned them that false teachers would come from without and would also arise from within their own ranks. Consider his second epistle to Corinth (2 Cor. 11:1-4, 12-15). The false teachers who were active at Corinth were corrupting three of the cardinal doctrines of the New Testament faith, the doctrine of Christ, Salvation, and the Holy Spirit; and the churches were in danger of being overthrown by these errors. Consider Paul’s warnings to Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:1-6 and 2 Timothy 3:1-13 and 4:3-4. Peter devoted the entire second chapter of his second epistle to this theme. He warned in verse one that there would be false teachers who hold “damnable heresies,” referring to heresies that damn the soul to eternal hell. If someone denies, for example, the Virgin Birth, Deity, Humanity, Sinlessness, Eternality, Atonement, or Resurrection of Jesus Christ he cannot be saved. Heresies pertaining to such matters are damnable heresies. The corruption of the “doctrine of Christ” results in a “false christ.” John gave similar warnings in his epistles (1 John 2:18, 19, 22; 4:1-3; 2 John 7-11). In addressing the seven churches in Revelation 2-3, the Lord Jesus Christ warned that many of the apostolic churches were already weak and were under severe stress from heretical attacks (Rev. 2:6, 14-15, 20-24; 3:2, 15-17). Thus the New Testament faith was being attacked on every hand in the days of the apostles by Gnosticism, Judaism, Nicolaitanism, and other heresies. And the apostles and prophets warned that this apostasy would increase. Paul said, “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13). This describes the course of the church age in terms of the spread of heresy! Therefore it is not surprising to find doctrinal error rampant among the churches even in the early centuries. Further, we only have a very partial record of the early centuries and the surviving writings have been heavily filtered by Rome. The Roman Catholic Church was in power for a full millennium and its Inquisition reached to the farthest corners of Europe and beyond. Rome did everything in its power to destroy the writings of those who differed with her. Consider the Waldenses. These were Bible-believing Christians who lived in northern Italy and southern France and elsewhere during the Dark Ages and were viciously persecuted by Rome for centuries. Though we know that the Waldenses have a history that begins in the 11th century if not before, their historical record was almost completely destroyed by Rome. Only a handful of Waldensian writings were preserved from all of those centuries. It is not surprising, therefore, that the extant writings from the early centuries are ones that are sympathetic to Rome’s doctrines. This does not prove that most of the churches then held to Roman Catholic doctrine. It proves only that those writings sympathetic to Rome were allowed to survive. We know that there were many churches in existence in those early centuries that did not agree with Roman doctrine, because they were persecuted by the Romanists and are mentioned in the writings of the “church fathers.”

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