Addendum: Solar Auxilia List Building Considerations - Getting Started in Horus Heresy

[@sluggaboyzWC3]

Always enjoy your content. And sol aux has interested me since first but forge world pricing has always kept me away so living vicariously through your thoughts has been great.

[@Sommeill]

Macca, let's be honest. If you're WAACing in HH2.0 you are not playing Solar Auxilia to begin with. You are picking one of the top legions and nothing else.

[@Gapis321]

That is still a really hard sell for a brand new army. With the shifting balance of the legions you can always try and play the marine models you have as something else (providing your opponent is okay with that). With solar you're making a substantial money investment into at best a B tier army, I don't think that's okay.

[@Sommeill]

@Gapis321 It isn't but GW very likely designed and "tested" the game using only the legions so this is what we get.

[@valentinmelik6432]

Hey Macca! Hi from”Triangle Heresy”

[@TheOuterCircle]

Hello to all the Triangle crew!

[@noaheisenman2963]

Fellow triangle heretic spotted

[@valentinmelik6432]

@@noaheisenman2963 I went loyalist bro! next few weeks will be at our landing spot Hangar 18... you should stop by on Thursday!

[@valentinmelik6432]

@@TheOuterCircle We got you get you to hangout on our discord soon mate!

[@valentinmelik6432]

@@noaheisenman2963 Hell ya!

[@moof1315]

Love the opening with a correction. Thanks for the sa vids and all th others.

[@ero9841]

I would recommend some indirect fire for solar. Regardless if its ap4 being able to push marines of objectives. And its fun to throw blast templates.

[@tryingtodobetterotto9616]

Thnks macca

[@etiennegarant7545]

Looking at Solar Auxilia from the perspective of using that army as an allied detachment for a legion, would your advices remain the same? I suppose it becomes a game of fitting in a few limited slots whatever complements the most the legion's themes and playstyle.

[@TheOuterCircle]

They don't have much to offer as allies, beyond many bodies. But, if you use that, take a few infantry tercios to hold objectives with numbers, some Russes for anti-tank, there's a bit you can do.

[@simonnick8422]

I would like to add alme to my Iron Hands but both are very mechanised so overlap a bit. So the mentioned bodies and backfield objective holding it is.

[@etiennegarant7545]

Thank you for your answer. I suppose it changes legion by legion. Running Thousand Sons, which have zero bonus to vehicles, I will add in a few Leman Russes (the irony!) to a small Spireguard force for extra anti-tank. I am looking forward to see if I can make use of the new rules previewed for Auxilia detachments as allies of legions once the Beta-Garmon rules are out; I think the XVth can delegate some of its Perils of the Warp wounds on the human auxiliaries; perhaps that will help mitigate the sad, sad legion rules a tiny bit.

[@LiliaArmoury]

as someone who actually likes the malcador's design how do i make it viable in a solar auxilia in this edition?

[@dominusbalial835]

Yeah it's one of my favourite imperial tanks as well.

[@Xii.legionary]

Yeah I like Malcs so much I scaled down an STL and use it for my Russes

[@seekwhen1848]

225 vs 150(russ strike) base point difference is really crippling, even when not accounting for one less frontal armor value. We might need like additional 40-50 reduction in point cost in the minimum to confidently field more than 3 of them... Which means, you only want to field handful(1-2) of them, while bringing out many more vanquisher russes for real hitting power. Maybe 4-5+ russes with 1-2 malcadors for extra flavor? (Need 2-3 vanquishers per one marine dreadnought) If there are many tanks in the first place, your malcadors might have chance to earn back points, or your russes will do it for them. If there are also many other transports like aurox or aurox proxies(rhino has almost same dimensions), increasing your vehicle numbers to like 15-20+ will provide opportunities to block enemy manuevers or prevent flanking fire to your tank line. Bogging down marine heavy support squad to fight your cheaper vehicles or infantry squad is really important, as their firepower to cost ratio is too good with 10 reaction shots, Their lascannons, autocannons, missiles are great threat to AV13. Buffing the survivability of tanks is also possible by bringing super cheap aegis defence lines for cover saves (though rules are clearly written for the 'old' aegis defence line models...) Also if there are many tanks, you always have the option to hide your model in disadvantageous fireing position, to preserve your unit for better use next turn, using the little more manueverable move distance than russ. If things turn sour, you can always replace the couple malcadors with like 3 more russes or other assets, and whenever you're feeling confident, you can always go back to using malcadors. In summary, relying on malcadors alone for heavy damage dealing is a bad thing due to outrageous cost, and many more russes have to be fielded too. Other than tanks, buy whatever cheap vehicles en masse to block enemy line of sight or waste their shots, so that your vanquisher malcadors or russes(more expensive and only anti-tank asset in solar), can live longer. Finally, employ defence lines and use as much cover for tanks, infantry, and batteries. Vanquisher cannons are a good sniping cannon with AP2, so whenever you're able to control the battlefield to exchange fire more efficiently, a couple malcadors might not be too much of a penalty.

[@farsonsfinest1402]

Technically you build your list after finding out your opponent this edition

[@zdron07]

so question on the dracosan with demo cannon, how come this is bad? with flair shield its tough and demo cannon is actually ap3. if you run siege reg with 2 tercios with demo cannons and rus with vanq guns, it max use of the discount of the base box and you can reroll the scatter to avoid friendly fire scatters on demo guns.

[@fishnchips574]

Because leman russ's armor is better and they are cheaper plus the leman russ has a turret mounted demo cannon while the drac has a centerline one not to mention you are now a transport that costs over 230 carrying a unit that costs at most 100 with all the upgrades when you could have just taken a 30 point transport and just used a leman russ

[@Klajnepojken]

It's too expensive for what it does.

[@zdron07]

@SchalaZeal1 return fire from bolters? Also there's like 8 of them for your 2 mandatory infantry tercios

[@andytucker9573]

Note yo self, dont be that Imperial Fists guy😂

[@DoddyIshamel]

Malcadors side weapons are not sponsons BTW, another nerf for Sol aux..

[@Wisielec]

Nice video Macca. This is a content I like from You. Focus on the actual game, we cant do shit about corporate decisions. Maybe consider making some content on allied detachments? What to choose, which faction supplement others nicely etc?

[@DoddyIshamel]

I only answered the way I did in response to someone literally changing their mind and choosing not to play Sol aux because you made it sound so horrible. I am not sure you were helping .... But I never encounter any of the minmaxed armies you talk about on here, maybe it is horrible 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@marcusflutist1230]

My SA army is gathering dust on the shelves since 2.0. Yes, it's really that bad, and Macca didn't even mention some of the BAD army problems like "no infantry anti-tank" (because Tempest shells were squated) or "no sniper rifles" (which are hilariously broken in 2.0)

[@andrewsharratt2399]

A new player absolutely should not pick SA. If you only use the plastic kits out of the box even badly composed marine lists will sweep you off the board without a thought. That's an awful introduction to the game. If Maccas intent was to help new starters then he should have been more explicit and just advised people to not pick it as a first heresy army. Even if you put all the time effort and money into fine tuning an optimal SA list, you'll still lose to a majority of legion lists and you'll have a boring, copy paste army using the same four or so entries. The SA list sorely needs a balance pass.