Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus | Who Is The True King?

G'day ladies and gentlemen! In today's video we have a debate on Megatheropod is the STRONGEST In red corner we have the contender Giganotosaurus carolinii. In the blue corner we have current king of the dinosaurs the Tyrannosaurus rex. Who will be crowned the true king of the theropods? LET'S FIND OUT!
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T.rex - Mark Witton
Giga - Gabriel N.U
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[@hypotrain]

As the strongest megatheropod Tyrannosaurus fought the fraud the King of the South, he began to open his domain. Giganotosaurus shrunk back in fear, then T-Rex said: "Stand proud Giga, you are strong"

[@TheOverseerDebates]

Are you the strongest because you’re a Tyrannosaurus or are you a Tyrannosaurs because you’re the strongest?

[@user-lone]

Paleontologist: Who would win? You or the Giga? Rex: If he bit me first, I might bleed. Paleontologist: But would you lose? Rex: Nah, I'd win.

[@pissupmyasshole]

Where ever I go even a dinosaur page lobotomy kaisen follows me

[@Mildlyinsanespinelfanboy]

Not extreme diff though

[@debonreepdas2265]

The brainrot is real. (I am in full support)

[@mateussousa1236]

This really is a very interesting battle! What would a meeting between Carcharadontosaurus vs Giganotosaurus be like or if Mapussaurus lived with Giganotosaurus and got into duels?

[@alakazamgengar5434]

They are so similar in design and lifestyle that it's a coin toss. Only size and mass would determine the fight, but it's flipping. For like a decade, carcharadontosaurus was considered the biggest of that group. But funny enough, carcharadontosaurus is now seemingly smaller again. It may flip again, but for now I would go with the giganotosaurus for the win.

[@mexicandog5224]

@@alakazamgengar5434gigannotosaurus had more mass than carcharodontosaurus giga being 13.5 to 10.4 while carchar being like 7 to somewhere around 5 or more I might be wrong with the size of carchar but giga was bigger.

[@mexicandog5224]

Mapusaurus didn’t live with giganotosaurus there separated by millions of years

[@adminbob_]

they have very very very similar builds but carcharodontosaurus is generally smaller so it would probably lose majority of the time. on this huge scale tho it can really go any way, id say 60 times out of 100 the giga would win but if these dinosaurs ever clashed it would probably lead to them both dying whether killed directly or indirectly by the other dinosaur.

[@MonsterZero521]

Most accurate Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus video & the correct verdict.

[@rodrigoestebanquierofiguer9658]

The people say evoked no t rex 15 m and tonned 17 tons no, 12.5 m, 11 tons is the god Jehova says explains clearly the people do not know why the giganotosaurus and carchadotosaurids are first giants and also spinosaurus, neoventarios all very large the 16-18 meters the truth is, the t rex is only 12 meters that no 13 -15 never people we don't know and the very large carnvirous animals carcha is the allosaurus first 👈🙌👏 giant saurophaganax discoveries really Asia and South America, Africa first the carchadotosaurids 145- 65 million lives yes truth is God says yes together, t rex 90-65 million years little lives and I sleep history dream yes I tell real, the paleology people very evoked dic3 extinct carcha is not if I live 65 million years God says yes

[@rodrigoestebanquierofiguer9658]

Concavenator corcovatus some europe and acrocanthosaurus, carcha, gigas all very big because together with spinosaururidos giant family lived 145-66 until the god says all together dinos, but 100 million years extinction evoked not dead there lived 89-66 you have if carchadotosaurids and spinos, too albesaurids 14.5 m giants like I see dreams, megaraptor 12 m that is alive, carchasorosaurus extinction 89 million very errors paleology all wrong, also spinos femur 1000 mm bad rexondtruccion, the spinos major 19 m and also carcha 16 m mostly and also siats neoventarus 14 meters even but t rex 12.5 m rare false no and the truth animals carnvirous explains god says yes

[@Sharktoz]

Easily one of, if not, the best take I've seen on the subject. Versus battles are always a weird animal (pun intended). I agree that using average sizes and stats for both is the best objective way to look at things. Great video my friend, looking forward to the next.

[@antoniocenteno1483]

Issue is, average is taking into account every specimen and making a relative estimate of all their weights combined, we have a LOT of rexes, including Juveniles but we have only one Giga and another dentary one... However, ten years ago we thought Rexes like sue where highly unlikely, but now we know there was bigger ones and they where not that uncommon

[@Crakinator]

I think T. rex’s tight turn radius and higher durability gives it a nice advantage here. Great analysis.

[@noobmaster69426]

There is a reason why the T-Rex was called the Lizard King

[@Mandred85]

It's more impressive that he could hold on to this title over more than a century! Even tho we found evidence of other similar sized theropods. Yet Rex is still the force of nature he was thought of in the beginning!

[@jacksborns3414]

@@Mandred85 Yep, what a coincidence lol. The Tyrant Lizard King is the perfect name for i

[@sirjoesphjoestar8361]

@@Mandred85 exactly, my guy is still holding up very decently, cope, an above average guy (like 6'2 equivalent of a human male), reached atleast 10,5 tons, and they are apparently supposed to get bigger, i've heard, its also worth noting that lizards are not equal to mammals, and their limits are far above ours, for example, blue whales are around 130-150 tonnes, with the largest recorded specimen reaching around 200 tonnes if im not wrong, well, lizards have far higher limits, meaning if an average trex reached around 10t, the theoretical maximum with optimised ecosystem could be around 20t, which is just menacing. around 4 meters in hip height, even more if they stand straight up with their head, likely extremely intelligent and cunning, even compared to nowadays animals, shattering, low frequency infrasounds, best vision, one of the best smells of land animals of all times, their jaws could carry more than 2 large SUVs and lift them up for reps, bite force roughly 40x that of a polar bear - the largest and most fearsome land predator today, who can already munch on all arctic animals and shatter bones easily, 12-15 meters in length, quiet, stealthy hunters and as a cherry on top, there is a possibility they hunted in groups. if you were to put a medium sized group of them in today's roughest nature (africa probably ?), they would dominate within few weeks.

[@realtalk9743]

I dont think it is even close when you just look at their skeletons, the T-Rex is so much larger and robust

[@mikeilles6427]

Still know so little about the Giga and it sucks, while the Rex has been studied to death soo much so we know at this point a lot and enough. Yet other Apex theropods outside of North America, like South America, Africa, Asia, and Europe we still hardly know as well. This video does well to inform we still hardly know as much about the Giga as we do with the likes of Rex, yet this fight is probably the closest and finally, someone without Rex Bias doesn't just say oh Rex bite force is best therefore it wins. This video does justice to the topic of Giga vs Rex. So props The Overseer keep this up, comrade!

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T. rex easy wins of course.!

[@mikeilles6427]

@@rodrigopinto6676 in your world and imagination sure XD

[@rodrigoestebanquierofiguer9658]

@@rodrigopinto6676 you sickkk

[@RosalinaDeAnda]

@@mikeilles6427 Good point, I do want to mention that I personally think that Tyrannosaurus Rex migth have either way had a better chance, but, TYRANNOSAURUS REX DOES NOT EASILY WIN, sure it migth win most of the time (As long as both competitors engage in battle) but that dosen't mean that it necessarily wins easily. Tyrannosaurus Rex migth win the battle but after the battle Tyrannosaurus Rex migth die to blood loss. I think that T.rex wins 70 To 60 percent of the time while G.Carolini would win 30 to 40 percent of the time. It migth even be a 50% of the time for T.rex and 50% percent of the time for G.Carolini. But, I do think that we need more reserach and evidence therefore the fight is not exactly fair. So I do agree with you. But only time will tell who really beats who.

[@loowick4074]

Dinosaur matchups are always inaccurate because while we have a good idea of what t rex is we dont have a good idea of what giga, carcharo and spino are apart from large carnosaurs. A few remains are relatively useless for a median size as the individuals found could have been freakishly large or sub adults. Like the variance between carcharos was it couldve been either a 10 ton ot 3 ton predator. Same with spino where people constantly use old measurements for it although the creature was probably heavier and stockier based on evidence of pachystosis of its bones recently. Its basically people trying to matchup a well historied and documented wrestler versus a guy we aren't even sure what they look like 😂

[@knight1167]

Agreed. While these types of videos as very informative and interesting, as well the idea of two dinosaurs fighting is cool. But with how the difference in knowledge we have of these creatures ( like with the Rex compared to the Giga) it's really hard( if not impossible ) to make a " who would win" battle that's fair

[@caramelpancakes2]

Yeah, hopefully in the future they make a breakthrough with more complete skeletons or some analysis. It'll make dino matchups fairer and backed up with actual solid evidence.

[@firedestination1935]

Yeah, I completely agree here, but i still like to watch videos and debates about this hypothetical fights, I think they are entertaining

[@adminbob_]

is there any particular reason we have so many rex fossils compared to some other large theropods? is it because they were so abundant and successful? habitat? age? or maybe a bit of all of that, im not rlly sure

[@carlossssssss5492]

​@@adminbob_North America has good conditions for fossilization, they are by far the most popular dinosaur and in turn get the most attention and yea they were successful.

[@cluelesslife7254]

The tyrannosaurus artwork in 6:38 looks like the stare meme makes it unnerving to look at

[@potatosaurus7737]

I’ve always thought that the trex had a power bite and good endurance because of some goji centre videos and thought the giga was more of a slicer

[@bkjeong4302]

Tyrannosaurus does have much stronger jaws: the reason it doesn’t have the more dangerous bite overall is that Giganotosaurus can inflict just as much damage due to having adaptations BESIDES powerful jaw muscles for achieving that, more than making up for its seemingly less threatening bite.

[@potatosaurus7737]

@@bkjeong4302 ok

[@GEK0dev]

@@bkjeong4302You’d be surprised that a tyrannosaurus had shaper teeth

[@zadas1132]

​@@GEK0devHow?

[@GEK0dev]

@@zadas1132 Over twice the amount of serrations and the serrations are also about 20% sharper, A shorter stronger jaw with thicker bigger stronger teeth and a significantly more powerful bite equals to a vastly sharper bite, I would post a link if KZbin would allow me to lol

[@YouHaveMail_]

W take. Most people would say medium difficulty, but this man right here is being honest. I, even as a giganotosaurus fanboy who was in denial for a long time, finally accepted the truth. And hey, I must say, its a great video, and the 60 to 70% win rate gives us an average of 65% winrate, which sure, 35% win rate isn't amazing, but its still enough to win a a bit more than a third of 100 battles. Also, you might have done this, but can you do spinosaurus vs mapusaurus?

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

good video but i think the answer will be more clear and more to discuss when we have studied Giganotosaurus more.

[@TheOverseerDebates]

I agree, hopefully in the coming years there will be more discoveries and hence research in the Giga so we can have a better and more reliable understanding of it!

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

@@TheOverseerDebates it's under wraps for now so can't disclose it but i will say more research on giganotosaurus and its relatives are coming!

[@Mil_Spec_Spartan_]

I, for one, love how close this fight is. After all, a hero is only as good as his villain. T. rex was my superhero growing up… it’d be pretty boring if it was a bully that no other theropod could challenge.

[@Moonlight-u8u]

An animal is your superhero, that you never even seen before?

[@raptorrixx99-wv2hl]

Slight nitpick: The Giga you show on the thumbnail isn't actually Giganotasaurus. The special where that image if from, and the animal that's shown, is more closely synonymous with the closely related Mapusaurus instead. Just wanted to point that out.😅

[@tyrannosaurusrex367]

I hate how underrated you are ;(

[@evanzebrowski7213]

Love to see Giga or Rex vs an acro. Since acro was another sauropod hunter

[@rexy-mc1oy]

Not mention animals would prefer to avoid conflict as much possible. But even if engage for territory , defend there young, or other resources these two big predators would try intimidating behavior like sizing each other through low grunts , below and hissing sounds until one back downs.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T. rex easy wins of course.!

[@lizardon7096]

Iguanodon vs allosaurus next

[@Blood-god_1]

To be honest that Trex would win even if I like the giga more but Trex has stronger bite which I don’t like but that’s how life between the Giganotosaurus and taranosaurus.

[@user-zl1km2cr5q]

I would personally say that the difficulty would line more towards mid-high diff than high-extreme diff due to the rex having even bigger estimates+even know it has a very big advantage.

[@bkjeong4302]

The big issues I see with people discussing this matchup are a) people comparing a (relatively) accurate Rex to a very inaccurate image of Giganotosaurus, resulting in the latter being badly nerfed due to basically everything in its arsenal being either flat-out ignored or badly underestimated (as with the idea it’s bad at killing quickly based on inaccurate information about how predators that bleed out their prey actually operate); and b) even very recent paleontological research being out of date when it comes to things like eyesight (the idea of Tyrannosaurs having far better eyesight than other theropods is based entirely on its greater field of binocular vision: not only is that not the only relevant metric in animal eyesight, it’s been shown to be basically irrelevant in living theropods as per Martin 2009 and other studies done on living birds) or intelligence (the idea Tyrannosaurus has any significant intelligence advantage here being based on decades-out-of-date notions about how intelligence works in living animals and debunked assumptions about the capabilities of “primitive” croc-like brains). So what ends up happening in most videos like this is that Tyrannosaurus gets *slightly* overrated due to people consulting paleontological research that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny once we look at relevant data from living animals, while Giganotosaurus gets horribly underestimated because the videos basically ignore its adaptations (an extremely common mistake being only looking at bite force to argue Tyrannosaurus had a far more dangerous bite while ignoring that Giganotosaurus relied on vertical head movements to impart additional force during a bite, meaning its bite actually had just as much physical power behind it even with its much weaker jaw muscles, and also having much sharper teeth to boot). And then everyone thinks Rex stomps because it had useful adaptations and Giga (allegedly) doesn’t, and refuses to accept that Giganotosaurus actually has advantages in other areas to make up for its disadvantages in bite force and overall physical strength. This happens to be one of the only videos that actually isn’t incredibly biased, but it does omit a key detail, which is that Giga would have a somewhat better chance of getting a critical blow to a vital area than assumed here. Part of this has to do with, as mentioned above, binocular vision (or lack thereof) not being that relevant in theropods, but two other things that play into this is that a) Giganotosaurus has a more flexible neck and is much more suited to accurately and quickly moving its head around (see Coria & Currie, 2003) which would help it line up for precise bites to vitals; the other thing is that even ziphodont theropods were equipped with stress-dissipating notches in their teeth, which functioned less like a steak knife and more like a set of surgical saws; as such they could (and based on coprolites and bite marks from the Morrison, did) bite through bone, just not by outright obliterating bone like the much more robust jaws of tyrannosaurids were suited for doing. This fight is basically an 50/50-the first good bite is going to decide the outcome, if not kill the loser outright, and it’s hard to argue which, if either, animal would have the better shot at that first bite (Tyrannosaurus has the agility advantage-though issues with that study indicate this would be by a smaller margin than often assumed-while Giganotosaurus has that increased head/neck mobility and is better at biting into broad surfaces, which might give it more places to bite).

[@hafizurrahman1006]

Well written and agree with all of this.

[@TheOverseerDebates]

I do agree that the Rex has the distinct advantage of more reliable discoveries as well as far more coverage than the Giga. Hopefully in the coming years that’ll change with the Giga getting more of the spotlight.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@TheOverseerDebates There’s actually a fair bit that we know about Giga both from its actual remains and from research on allosauroids as a whole (including that specialized, Smilodon/terror bird-like neck-driven killing bite that was the hallmark of the allosauroids as a whole). The issue is that a) none of this research is in the public awareness so people pretend these features didn’t exist, and b) there’s very much a bias in academia towards studying (and inadvertently lionizing) tyrannosaurs at the expense of other theropods.

[@Unbearable_Truth]

That and size comparison charts using Sue/Scotty (the oldest and largest specimen) against the Giganotosaurus holotype which isn't the biggest but the average size. The average sized Giganotosaurus is overall bigger than the average sized Tyrannosaurus.

[@bkjeong4302]

@@Unbearable_Truth This as well-we have only two Giganotosaurus specimens and only one of them (the holotype) is in decent condition. Though to be honest, even if you compare Scotty against the Giga holotype the size difference isn’t so big to be decisive (Scotty is 1-1.5 tons heavier, which isn’t a lot when talking about taxa that average around 9 tons…). That study about Tyrannosaurus (but really, any megatheropod given the logic used in the study) potentially being able to get to 15 tons in rare cases that didn’t end up in the fossil record worsened this, because everyone assumed this was something that only applied to Tyrannosaurus (because it was the megatheropod used to prove the study’s argument), when it would apply even more to other giant theropods with even smaller sample sizes.

[@eidengonzalez1633]

Do you play path of titans? Just asking bc you used the path of titans giga for the thumbnail

[@sethnaffziger1402]

I agree with you. The Giga is a capable and dangerous opponent, and it's fighting style involves running in and escaping danger repeatedly to deliver multiple bites to bleed and wear down its kill.... this would be effective against a Rex due to its higher speed and lighter weight with 3 noteworthy exceptions. 1, Rex has binocular vision and can pinpoint incoming danger and attacks with accurate depth perception, and extremely well developed hearing. 2, Rex has faster reflexes and mobility, allowing rapid and accurate responses or counters to Gigas incoming attacks. 3, the rex is a heavier set, with a bite capable of inflicting fatal damage in a single attack. So basically, the Giga can't sneak up, and its only hope is to repeatedly attack (rexes are known to survive bites from other rexes) something that has faster reflexes while escaping a devastating likely fatal counter attack. Sure the Giga could get lucky and hit an artery while escaping the first few times and win, is this likely given the specific strengths of the Rex? No, not really. and Given the Giga's lighter skeletal frame, a bite to the neck or body is likely to crunch straight through and prove catastrophic, While the Rex will more than likely be enraged after a bite or two from the Giga.

[@Shafi756]

Giga is heavier than Rex not lighter 🤦

[@sethnaffziger1402]

@@Shafi756 Heavier set refers to bone structure and build, not weight. Besides that, what you've asserted is by no means a definitive fact. Some individuals are bigger, some smaller... Not that it would change what I said anyway.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@Shafi756

[@Shafi756]

@@sethnaffziger1402 it's outdated. T rex is now heavier than Giga

[@user-oj6re6ju9t]

Since when does a rex get a rage amp? Also all the giga has to do to win is bite the rex and let it bleed to death. It's a 50/50 matchup between animals that would probably run away because they don't want to risk anything.

[@ajmorningstar6281]

Please do Utahraptor vs Polar Bear or Kodiak Bear

[@Hankthestank04]

I agree cool video ideas

[@MsMrBigglesworth]

I agree with the assessment, as a similar contemporary analogy would be a fight between a male African lion and a male Bengal tiger. On average the tiger is slightly larger, both possess abilities that would end the other with a one on one fight. But in my opinion the tiger would come out on top for the winrate ratio.

[@Mr_bot-786]

Would the battle outcome have changed with the current estimates for rex's speed. The larger rexs like sue could have reached speeds up to 28 km/h

[@austinstoner6270]

My thoughts exactly

[@Moonlight-u8u]

What if rex uses its bone crushing bones to digest, similar to hyenas, while the serated part is use to hunt.

[@tomcross3000]

Amazing what a difference even a few months can make. With a huge specimen of t rex recently exceeding 13 metres, and being said to reach over 25km. This news just in from a week ago! So what does this mean? its as capable of a running speed, just as long and tall- and likely heavier than Carolinii. Its agility/locomotion was also downplayed or left out in this upload- for more on that i recommend the Goji center video "t rex vs palaeoloxodon". It shows visual animatics of how the t rex uniquely with its own centre of balance is able to sidestep, turn sharply to reposition with speed to reassess or create a vulnerability in an opponent- something no other large theropod has been proven capable of doing.

[@toddjohansson5837]

What specimen of T.Rex is stated to be 13 metres?

[@tomcross3000]

@@toddjohansson5837 There are definitely many estimates of incomplete skeletons like Ivan, Trix, E.D.Cope that are stated to be over 13 based on the size of the bones we do have, and there's ofcourse Scotty.

[@toddjohansson5837]

@@tomcross3000 oh I just thought based on your first comment that a new study had recently came out. I’m waiting for the papers of Big Bertha. She is supposedly even bigger than ED Cope

[@tomcross3000]

@@toddjohansson5837 That actually might be the one i saw- there was a video on yt about it from another paleo-channel. But they haven't updated wikipedia with it

[@nilocalayag4387]

Since when did Gigan fought rexy? ( gigan is from the Godzilla franchise)

[@TheOverseerDebates]

Gigan>> megalon

[@nilocalayag4387]

@@TheOverseerDebates gigan FW>>>>showa Gigan>>>>@TheOverseerDebates

[@NetVoyagerOne]

The boring answer, T.Rex and Giga enter a clearing at the edge of a forest. The two apex predators, somehow in the same time period and location, lock eyes. Giga: Shit, what the hell is that thing? T.Rex: Shit, what the hell is that thing? Neither wants that smoke, so after a few warning rumbles and displays, both go their separate ways without issue. Predatory animals don't fight if they don't have to.

[@Julian.noa21]

Yo overseer can you do majungasaurus crenatissimus vs arctotherium engustidens or carnotaurus sastrei vs arctotherium engustiden or could you do livyatan melvelai vs otodus megalodon or otodus megalodon vs mosasaurus

[@BETjurassicAN]

Just by reading the comments, it's devolved into "my favorite is better than your favorite.". Honestly, these were living animals that 9/10 times would've never fought in the first place. Since predators know even a small injury could lead to death due to infection or the inability to hunt and then would starve. Unfortunately until more research is done on other megatheropods, we won't know as much as we know about T.Rex. Not to mention, they were designed to hunt completely different prey and had different hunting tatics. I hate these "debates" because dinosaurs are not custom-made cage fighters. Who cares who is stronger? Better yet, ask why that particular dinosaur is your favorite? Hopefully, you'll get a better answer than "cause it's not T.Rex.". Lol, ya'll have a good day.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T rex easy wins

[@Greaseball27]

I completely agree with you

[@suricata1993]

Guys, T-Rexes are taller than giganotosaurus! when they founded Giga the femur was longer, yes. But the complete femur + tibia length is actually longer on t-rexes plus their pose is more upwards than the gigas

[@GigaIsBetter]

T. Rex isn't taller than Giganotosaurus

[@kingofprehistory7851]

They were practically the same height with the giga being taller at the neural spine and the rex being taller at the hip

[@GigaIsBetter]

@kingofprehistory7851 If you wanna call a one foot difference at the head and spine "practically the same" then I guess I won't argue

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@GigaIsBetter to these animals a foot of difference is the same disparity as you being quarter a head shorter than someone. If you want to argue by relative comparison recognise that larger animals have a smaller margin of difference for larger values compared to us

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@@suricata1993 and this isn't accounting for the fact that this isn't their head height, both of which were nearly identical

[@Ilovecoy]

The t rexs bite force would just end this debate

[@singingcrow439]

This is so close that regardless of the victor, both animals would ultimately lose. I do feel you are overplaying the rex's bite and underplaying the giga's. One thing that commonly isn't mentioned about the rexes bite is that it likely took time for the bite to reach bone shattering power, akin to a hydraulic press. So if the rex doesn't land a proper bite on the neck or a leg from behind, the giga would be able to land multiple bites of its own before the rex could apply enough pressure and all it needs is one to pierce an artery for it to lethal. It would at worst, force the rex off before any serious damage is done to either animal. However, I do agree that the rex likely wins more due to the other reasons you mention. But with how close they are in size and how deadly they are, anything less than a near perfect bite could lead to both animals dying regardless of who wins.

[@Moonlight-u8u]

What if the rex bone crushing is for digesting and the serated parts are used for hunting?

[@Mildlyinsanespinelfanboy]

Nah trex solos everyone who actually know trex knows it slams

[@Moonlight-u8u]

@@Mildlyinsanespinelfanboy how would you know, have you seen them fight? Also a creature with a high bite force doesnt mean it wins all the time

[@kingofprehistory7851]

Actually using just bite force as an analogy most modern animals with proportionately high bite forces deliver it pretty quickly. They snap shut and deliver the full load.

[@aDinoNerd]

And the giga moved his head with the bite putting more power into it, that would make up for the weak bite. It really depends who gets the first bite

[@Blood-god_1]

Well if the giganotosaurus is smart and is able to get to the Trex neck…Giving the giganotosaurus an advantage of winning…..but who knows.

[@PvtPartzz]

How much force would it take to permanently warp a modern MBT’s barrel? Just curious 👀

[@philipmurphy2]

Always good dinosaur content here, Don't even need Netflix for it

[@notmyrealchannel559]

one more thing about speed is explained by Paleontologist David Hone during a lecture that the foot of the T Rex is differently designed than every single theropod closer in weight to T Rex, as the center part of the foot shrinks in the upper end, that type of foot is called the Arctometatarsalian Condition, and only 3 groups of dinosaurs have these feet, and all coelurosaurs, the Troodontids, the Ornithomimids, and the Tyrannosaurs, these feet are perfectly adapted for the animals to be extremely efficient in quick turns, energy saving, maintaining one speed consistently for several hours, the best feet for long distance travels and etc.

[@aymen_b1267]

Yes, Trex agility is overlooked and underrated.

[@RajRaja-wo3uu]

❤

[@xoruk7451]

Fair verdict, but behaviour wise, this is by no means "extreme difficulty" ANY animal prone to frequent violent interspecies conflict to that extent would be extremely territorial and far more eager to fight. And experience, like you mentioned. These two meeting would be kind of like how Grizzly bears and polar bears interact with each other in Nunavut. Despite being somewhat smaller even on average weights, the grizzlies are way more agressive and bully the polar bears off whale carcases. Simply because they are more used to conflict

[@Yodelinthegully.-]

I wouldn’t want to be near either one!

[@Rorington]

I mean I get I'm commenting before the start... but come on it isn't really a competition. Dudes the Tyrant King for a reason...

[@jkjk7423]

There are some folks here who think that the study which found that Tyrannosaurus is twice as agile as Giganotosaurus isn't accurate or is a stretch due to one of the paper's sources being the outdated 4.2 tonne estimate for Giga; people like this conveniently ignore the fact that the Giga's mass in the paper was stated to be ~7 tonnes - and while it is outdated it still isn't that far of a gap from the 8.4-tonne estimate used for the holotype today. In fact, more mass would equate to Giga's agility suffering even further due to needing to overcome that extra mass lol. The conclusions of Tyrannosaurs turning 2x faster than Allosaurs and other Theropods mostly stems from the actual fossilized evidence on their legs and tails and gauging ideas of muscle attachments and ligaments - the skeletals are just add-ons. It doesn't matter if we use a 5 tonne Giganotosaurus skeletal or a 7 Giganotosaurus skeletal with muscle attachments (Or if we use a deflated 8.4 tonne Tyrannosaurus or a 9.5 tonne Tyrannosaurus, or a 10.2 tonne Tyrannosaurus), Tyrannosaurus' actual fossilized evidence and attachment gauges makes Tyrannosaurus more agile, and by twice the amount. Therefore, a 2x difference is not a "Stretch" as some people here like to claim.

[@Thatkidoneto]

The average weight is around 12.4 m 7850 kg

[@julianeder4699]

Theres also 2 important factors to keep in mind when it comes to giganotosaurus which seem to go unnoticed in almost every hypothetical clash scenario. 1: The Giganotosaurus size average is determined by only a handful of fossils (chances of finding the average sized fully grown adult isnt all that high) its a bit like going to your local cemetary and diggin up 5 random human skeletons vs diggin up north of 100 graves in the next town over (which would be the t-rex source material in comparison) 2: Carcharodontosaurids are believed to have grown pretty much until they died while T-Rex had a growth cycle more similar to Humans reaching its max proportions some time in its early 20s... so the fully grown individuals would also be the most battle hardened. As for the outcome it would pretty much be a cointoss. A broken neck, severed muscles, tendons and blood vessels aswell as crushed windpipes all have the nasty sideeffect of ending up in death

[@malligrub]

That's literally the opposite. It is far more likely that a handful of similarly sized fossilized specimens DO represent individuals from the average range as fossils are inherently rare and finding a +2 SD individual that is rare even in life, is vanishingly rare. If you dig up any 5 humans from anywhere and confirm they're roughly matured, chances are overwhelming that the average will end up being between 5-6 feet tall. The chances of finding multiple 7 foot tall living humans randomly together (outside a family unit or some non-random sample eg the NBA) is close to zero. Those numbers are even more remote if we're talking fossilization, where any animal dying and being fossilized is exceedingly rare in general.

[@julianeder4699]

@@malligrub we are talking about an animal that is believed to have existed for north of 3 million years just look at the standard deviation in size between the romans 2000 years ago the average joe in medieval europe some fella from victorian london and a present day dude. the graph is moving up and down depending on many factors in our surroundings. Im only aware of 2 giganotosaurus specimens that were unearthed (not quite sure how closely they lived together in terms of time) and they varied massively in terms of size while the dozens of t rex remains paint a pretty clear picture of the average size while also providing some decent insight into the max proportions they could reach with individuals like scotty leading the chart. Once again another important factor to consider is that carcharodontosaurids are believed to have grown all throughout their life which makes accurate estimations on their size (if they were to live out their days) a lot harder.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T rex easy wins ​@@julianeder4699

[@rodrigopinto6676]

​@@julianeder4699wrong "arguments"

[@julianeder4699]

@@rodrigopinto6676 go ahead then enlighten me

[@FA-18ESuperHornet-jm7my]

Seeing people commenting before finishing the video is quite disappointing. The giga has a chance against the Rex but not that close. Getting your skull smashed by an enemy almost twice as agile can get you killed faster than bleeding to death.

[@r3n3l4f41r3]

bro this mf is just making piece with all t-rex vs giga fans not just these fans even other mega therapod lovers i love you man keep up the vids

[@RyoSargeant]

Suggestion Lion vs Gorilla, Tiger vs grizzly bear, Lion vs black bear and Polar bear vs Bison

[@Blood-god_1]

But Trex would probably low diff or medium diff

[@Greaseball27]

No, high diff. Any bite to an important area would usually mean the end to the fight, any fight with another successful apex predator of similar size will be high difficulty.

[@ozguryigit4864]

U got 1 THING wrong and thats the height, Trex is currently tought to be taller with giga being 3.7 and rex being 3.8

[@GigaIsBetter]

The T. Rex was not taller than giga, the Giganotosaurus grew between 12-14 feet tall and the rex 11-12.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@GigaIsBetter t rex grew between 11 and 13 feet tall. That's for the hips as its head being more upright in posture boasted a 14 foot height . The giga was taller at the neural spine at roughly 14-15 feet though shorter at the hips at around 3.6-3.7+ meters

[@zacimusprime4865]

Good analysis ultimately the giga had speed and the T-Rex 🦖 had bulk it’s very close but I agree T-Rex 🦖 wins atleast mid-high difficulty

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T rex easy wins

[@Greaseball27]

@@rodrigopinto6676 Are you a toddler?

[@Tarbtano]

Good video and far from another rex bias spree I've seen parroted over and over. It's very good to see notation that there is that giant titanosaurs potentially up to Argentinosaurus' size did exist with Giganoto as the "T-REX Mafia" as I call the extreme fans seem to have taken to parroting that Giganotosaurus was only hunting small game. The earlier argentine giant just hasn't been classified. Last I am aware, it likely was the case they coexisted.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

T. rex easily wins of course.!

[@rodrigopinto6676]

Totally wrong giganotosaurus carolinii coexisted with only medium size prey like limaysaurus or andesaurus.!

[@bennettfender9927]

@@rodrigopinto6676Actually we have partial remains of a large sauropod in the Candeleros formation that hasn’t been named yet that was similar in size to Patagotitan and Argentinosaurs.

[@Tarbtano]

@@rodrigopinto6676 Next time, watch the video.

[@rodrigopinto6676]

@@Tarbtano Poor ignorant

[@Lamacetus]

Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus is *NOT* close

[@znail4675]

I am a bit confused why people thinks that large predator dinosaurs like T-Rex would have been unable to kill prey much larger then themself? Plenty of modern predators are capable of taking out prey many times their own size and they don't even have the over sized bite weapons of a T-Rex.

[@GigaIsBetter]

Maybe because it wasn't built for that type of stuff, it was built for taking things it's size or a tad bigger. But Giganotosaurus on the other hand, thanks to it's impressive strength and bleeding bites, it would have taken down sauropods rivaling the size of argentinosaurus and some other sauropods smaller

[@Dimetropteryx]

@@GigaIsBetter The problem with thin serrated teeth is what happens when they hit bone, or for other reasons fail to cut what they are driven into, or they are subjected to lateral forces. I think people have horribly overestimated the preferred prey size of the Giganotosaurus, its teeth are comparatively small and fragile. And punctures are typically deadlier than cuts. What the T. rex was built for is debatable. With its teeth and its bite force, coupled with its agility, it would arguably be pretty much built for crippling and immobilizing prey larger than it.

[@soot4355]

Long live the king

[@Youfattyboy]

I reckon it's completely 50/50

[@Dark-Hammer]

Nah

[@Youfattyboy]

@@Dark-Hammer yes

[@Dark-Hammer]

@@Youfattyboy bro

[@Mildlyinsanespinelfanboy]

@@Youfattyboygiga only having like 2 advantages

[@Godestier]

If you guys in the comments are gonna make arguments about either dinosaur winning, I’d recommend not having the dinosaur in your username or profile pic because you will not look reputable

[@kingofprehistory7851]

Well that sucks ._.

[@SpinoSpiny]

Who gives a sh#t, if spino become a dragon this debate will end

[@Mei23448]

Yellowstone hyperpredator vs Meg when?

[@Dinosaur_Guy]

Try not to mention unconfirmed and undescribed animal challenge:

[@frost7463]

Mei when he uses an undescribed animal in AvA

[@Mei23448]

@@Dinosaur_Guy try not to calmuny me challenge:

[@Mei23448]

@@frost7463 I already published it kid

[@frost7463]

@@Mei23448 link

[@Commander_cheezy]

Wait hold on i didn't know that the giga hunted the nigarosaurus

[@jorgerodrigueznoyola1598]

Extremely difficult for the giga

[@FarhanStudingvideosonly-ly7oq]

How

[@jorgerodrigueznoyola1598]

@@FarhanStudingvideosonly-ly7oq trex more inteligente, binocular visión, the strongest bite force of any land animal ever, used to fight against it’s pray alone(giga is believe to hunt in pack for the most part), bulkier and can it’s bone structure is meant to withstand more punishment. Don’t get me wrong I love charcarodontosourids but 1 on 1 I doubt they stand a chance it’s like puting a cheeta vs a jaguar.

[@mrboombastic8369]

Many of the info you told were wrong.

[@kmp3-gaming986]

Tbh I would’ve liked to see great white vs salt water croc far more to be fr

[@davidryall-flanders6353]

First up I'd like to say great video mate, love ya stuff! Secondly I value everyone's opinion. But I'm a simple man and what I see before me are two monstrous skulls, one a giant rock with bollards for teeth the other a gargantuan set of slashing scissors. Rock beats scissors.😊

[@weswarden2216]

Giga wouldnt stand a chance... 1 bite from the Rex and its over. Plus the Rex had better vision and depth perception, was probably smarter and probably even more agile. Hands down Rex wins.

[@MonsterZero521]

Top 10 largest Theropods dinosaurs 2024 1. Tyrannosaurus rex- 11.7 tonnes 2. Giganotosaurus- 10.2 tonnes 3. Mcraeencies- 8.8 tonnes 4. Mapusaurus- 8.4 tonnes 5. Spinosaurus- 8.3 tonnes 6. Saurophaganax- 8.3 tonnes 7. Carcharodontosaurus- 8.2 tonnes 8. Sauroniops- 7.6 tonnes 9. Tyrannotitan- 7.5 tonnes 10. Bahariasaurus- 7.1 tonnes

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

In Dino Crisis 2, the Giganotosaurus dwarved the T-rex enough for it to carry the T-rex into its mouth and beat it in a battle.

[@thegreatestjagrasm]

The og ark giga

[@bkjeong4302]

Yeah that’s going way too far to the other extreme.

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

@@bkjeong4302 Dino Crisis 2 really made me think that Giganotosaurus was that big compared to the T. Rex.

[@thedinohunter212]

@@KyoushaPumpItUpthe dc2 giga was actually mutated its really confusing

[@Dinoslay]

That rex sure got yeeted.

[@chrismattson9352]

I would say tyrannosaurus wins mid-high difficulty

[@rodrigopinto6676]

No T. rex easy wins

[@HypernovaGodzillaRex]

I'd say the T.Rex wins 55-65% of the time. I would not give the Tyrant Lizard King agility, agility is also determined by speed and also since the neck and head movements are quicker on Giga it would show better agility.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

Not really since rotational inertia exists in which t rex does have it better off. Neck movement here isn't the most major contributing factor, these two could dorsiflex and laterally flex their necks. Faster doesn't really dictate more agile like in abelisaurs such as carnotaurus. The two aren't really associates or correlated definitely or neccesarily

[@dylangeltzeiler946]

I vote for the REX.

[@Bro_that_cant_sleep]

People really need to understand it takes more than bite force to win a fight. T-Rex do have more than that to win but it’s also smart. Seeing an animal almost equal to it in size and dimension would not want to risk it

[@erikbritz8095]

T rex by 10% but its close.

[@talboi5050]

giga=20+ mph, Rex=17mph

[@favdoggie]

I thought this was made year ago lol

[@GEK0dev]

I will note an error you made, We technically have zero evidence of a giganotosaurus over 9 tons, The other specimen with the piece of jaw and teeth is beyond unreliable for weight, Therefor it’s not very fair to give it a 10.4 ton weight the same way it isn’t fair to give a tyrannosaurus a 15 ton weight Also tyrannosaurus had sharp teeth, Which means it could have bled out prey easily like giga🤷 It’s not a video game either these battles go out beyond quickly so that “Bleed” Wouldn’t matter

[@bkjeong4302]

Tyrannosaurus didn’t have sharper teeth. It’s teeth don’t even have proper cutting edges (serrations are offset to the sides).

[@GEK0dev]

@@bkjeong4302 It had over double the amount of serrations that giga had, They were also sharper serrations

[@bkjeong4302]

@@GEK0dev Yeah going to need sources on that?

[@GEK0dev]

@@bkjeong4302 I’ve tried posting one but KZbin keeps deleting my dang comments every time I try🫠 Classic KZbin moment

[@richie_0740]

@@GEK0dev yeah no, T-Rex's teeth are peg shaped and broad, not having a great cutting edges, compare that to giganotosaurus that have a narrower knife like teeth with a better defined cutting edges

[@MASTERKEYHOLE_090]

Giga gang

[@TheOverseerDebates]

Congrats on being the first comment!

[@Mei23448]

@@TheOverseerDebates Yellowstone hyperpredator vs Meg when?

[@Cope_Paleontology]

Even though I like both animals a lot, the T. rex wins indisputably. It can incapacitate and kill the Giganotosaurus carolinii with one or two bites. It would be extremely painful to have his bones broken or exploded by this Tyrannosaurus.

[@Moonlight-u8u]

It probably need 3 to 5 bites to injure giga. If the bite had a good solid bite it can take 3

[@Cope_Paleontology]

@@Moonlight-u8u No, any paleontologist in the field agrees that in two bites at most the Giganotosaurus would fall. I find it amazing how you paleontology fans underestimate the bite force of an adult Tyrannosaurus. A single bite to the snout of the Giganotosaurus would break it. This isn't Jurassic Park.

[@Moonlight-u8u]

@@Cope_Paleontology but if we look at modern day animals with a high bite force, it can take them a while to broke down, unless a good solid or a bit of longer bite

[@Cope_Paleontology]

@@Moonlight-u8u This is similar : kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3XPaIBvh7SLhtk

[@Moonlight-u8u]

​​​@@Cope_Paleontology yes, but some senarios like jaguars sometimes loosing to green anacondas and tigers. Hyenas sometimes loose against a fully grown male lion and some pythons killing or still alive in the jaws of an alligator. Leopards also have a lower bite than a crocodile, but can still kill sometimes

[@PREHISTORIC.PRESIDENT.]

And when did rexs bite get buffed to 13,834

[@DavidAlonzo-gp1sw]

Why is this video here we all know the answer

[@betterthanallosaurus_trust_]

smh smh... Deviljho Victims. But for real here, rex wins 55-60% of the time. BUT, 55-60% is basically still a coin toss, both animals only need 1-3 bites to kill the other, if either carnivore can bite into the other's neck, the battle has ended. Even giganotosaurus with a lesser bite force can still crush rex' jugular in a single blow. Though, if you have different opinions, or facts that disprove my belief, than be free to criticize!

[@JackmcCoy1933]

Trex is heavier yet more agile? Is that a joke?

[@TheOverseerDebates]

Seemingly it was more agile

[@kingofprehistory7851]

It's heavier yet possessed a lower inertia, likely due to their skeletal which compensated for said weight and aided in pivoting and turning. Mass is only one factor of many that play in agility

[@antman151]

Sure, Trex would likely win against spino... unless of course... Spino got him in the water lol. Now Rex vs Giga, i still feel could go either way.

[@rolandixor]

"Let's push out the clear loser?" EH!?! Spinosaurus would WRECK T. Rex just by being confusing and shape-shifting the whole battle lol

[@kailanerman5090]

😂 Trex: ...what the hell are you? Spinosaurus is standing in the river, continuing to shape change and now crying. Spino: I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT I AM ANYMORE....

[@Dinoslay]

T.rex: 🤯

[@rolandixor]

@@Dinoslay"This isn't even my final form... or my form at all"

[@Steam537]

The spino would be like 20 tones then the next second boom 6-7 tones lol

[@kailanerman5090]

@Steam537 spino: Hey guys!!! Check out the new weight gain, huh? Who's top theropod in weight now!? Giga and Rex attempt to clap Sudden flash of light. Rex: What just happened? Wait... where's your fresh girth? Spino begins to cry. Giga tries to comfort him, but he turns away with his floppy tail. He flees to the river in violent waves of tears. Giga and Rex just stare...

[@ChargerusPrime]

Tyrannosaurus Rex and Giganotosaurus aren't equal in any way. You're comparing a specialist to a generalist one thats designed to only take on sauropods for the most part vs an animal that could take on anything it wanted. And youre wrong about Giganotosaurus being faster. Tyrannosaurus Rex being a Ceolurosaurid is actually much more agile and a good bit faster than an allosaurian carnosaur like the carcharodontosaurids. Tyrannosaurus was also MUCH more intelligent than Giga as well with a much more developed brain and a bigger one as well. Tyrannosaurus also had the better sensory array in terms of vision and smell as well as most likely everything else too. People think Rex couldn't tackle sauropods. Thats BULLSHIT. Unlike the sauropod specialist Carcharodontosaurian carnosaurs, Tyrannosaurus Rex specifically was evolved to tackle EVERYTHING and did regularly. You have an animal with a 6 ton bite force against a 100 foot long walking building with barely any developed cognitive capabilities and or sensory arrays that dont directly relate to food processing. Its like putting an F-15EX up against a Boeing airliner. ANY animal that gets bit by a 6 ton bite force is going DOWN. And Tyrannosaurus Rex could in fact calculate exactly how to bring down a sauropod and probably do so easily. Smash one of its rear legs with that bite force in an ambush attack and let it fall over. They were agile enough to be able to move before getting crushed.

[@andrewshear2927]

I agree, Tyrannosaurus Rex would win. However I don't think this would be very close.

[@Thane3999]

I think I'd rate T-Rexes vs. Giganotosauruses, the same way I would rate Smilodons (or other Sabertooth cats) vs. Panthera big cats, such as American/European lions or tigers. Sabertooth cats (and T-rex) were build for fighting. They were stronger, bigger, heavier, more dexterous etc. Where as, Panthera cats (and subsequently Giganotosauruses) were build for more efficient hunting.

[@thecount5558]

Roland Tembo stomps both.

[@barrybarlowe5640]

I don't normally think of battling dinosaurs. When I do, I think of something like lion prides facing down packs of hyenas - the potential violence is there, but whoever has a significant mass/ratio in the confrontation is going to chase off the other with minor issues. Predators avoid being hurt, when they can. Your real dangerous confrontations come, not over food, but mates... And that's iffy with different species. Still, most battles I've seen between various birds are over mating privileges and nesting territories. I've found male hummingbirds impaling each other. And watched a Robin beat its rival to death over a solid ten minutes of combat.

[@GODEYE270115]

I love how this debate is more civil with people actually using real stats and studies Way better than the Rex vs spino debates from the early 2010s 😂

[@extraordinarytv5451]

Oh lord that takes me back to the discussions under the Movieclips (i think it was them) T. rex vs. Spinosaurus video☠️

[@MonsterZero521]

Because of internet growth most people now know the real sizes & stats of these animals instead of saying Giga is 15 tons and oneshots Rex

[@MonsterZero521]

Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus carolinii 2024 Tyrannosaurus rex stats Specimen- BHI 6248 Height- 4.1m at the hips Length- 12.8 meters ( 42 ft) Weight- 11,740 kgs ( 11.7 tonnes) Bite force- 7 tonnes Era- Late cretaceous America Giganotosaurus stats Specimen- mucpV-95 Height- 4.2m at the hips Length- 13.5 meters ( 45 ft) Weight- 10,260 kgs ( 10.2 tonnes) Bite force- 4.3 tonnes Era- mid cretaceous South America Tyrannosaurus advantages- bigger, bulkier, more muscular & stronger, more agile, more powerful bite force , intelligence Giganotosaurus advantages- taller , faster, more experience, Serrated teeth Verdict: Tyrannosaurus rex- 65% Giganotosaurus- 35% Winner- Tyrannosaurus rex 🦖 🏆 ( 65% chance or mid-high diff)

[@Moonlight-u8u]

Theres tons of animals with high bite force but still looses.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

​@@Moonlight-u8unone of them are really comparable in analogy to t rex ngl

[@Moonlight-u8u]

@@kingofprehistory7851 croc or aligator vs anaconda/Phyton or jaguar vs anaconda

[@kingofprehistory7851]

@@Moonlight-u8u none of them are really usable here. A python can't be represented as a giga. A crocodilian can't be represented as a t rex. Both are wildly different

[@Moonlight-u8u]

@@kingofprehistory7851 just saying that just because it has a bigger bite that doesnt mean it wins. Nature can be unpredictable, just like the lion vs tiger

[@blaircolquhoun7780]

How about a video about Appalachiosaurus? Eastern dinosaurs are underrepresented. Western dinosaurs are highly overrated.

[@T-Boyd13]

Spinosaurus truly is a loser because of its weak bite

[@Moonlight-u8u]

I mean, we will never really know. We never seen dinosaurs fight, having a high bite force doesnt mean it wins all the time. Take a look at jaguars vs anaconda, or python vs alligator

[@7thCruisader]

Dislikes this video and stopped watching after 12 seconds. You know why 😢

[@hafizurrahman1006]

50/50 as the Giga & T rex both weights 10-11 tons and both are very strong predator for their sizes and weaponrys to kill each other. E. D. Cope wins . 10.5 tons Giga slams mcraeensies rex mid diff as it has been downsized to 8 tons and it's a much smaller and nerfed T rex and Giga destroys any other Tyrannosaurids ( Tarbo, Zhucheng, Alamotyrannus etc) low to no difficulty.

[@Unbearable_Truth]

E.D Cope is no long reliable given its conditions. People thought MOR 008 was 15m and 15 tonnes a decade ago which turned out to be the opposite. Giga might have reached 10 tonnes but Sue and Scotty? Probably not. The weight estimates for Sue, adding the 382 L hindlimbs to the 9294 L axial body gives 10,058 L (~9555 kg at 0.95 SG) using the same method cited above for the holotype. As for Scotty, it might well be similar in size to Sue, (John Hutcherson has mentioned) or perhaps smaller if the torso length from scaling laterals of its mounts is correct. It’s femora, hips, etc. are bigger sure, but a shorter trunk would do a lot to offset it.

[@DinoFan1993]

🤓

[@kingofprehistory7851]

​@Unbearable_Truth E.D.Cope not being reliable would also mean that the dentary giga is taken out of account. Using sue, Scott and comparing them to the holotype would yield an 8+ ton animal, that being the giga, against an animal which conservatively fits the 9.5 ton range and in scotties case, roughly 10.4 tonnes

[@Tyrannosaurus_rex.]

​@@Unbearable_Truthtell me you hate Tyrannosaurus without telling me you hate Tyrannosaurus. Scotty was definetly over 10 tonnes, and E.D.COPE is far more reliable than any Giga paratype estimate, it is the 10 tonne Giga that should be questioned.

[@TyrannusX]

@@Unbearable_Truth Please respond to my issue on the previous comment, you gave yet to give the specimen name of a 10t Giganotosaurus

[@Unbearable_Truth]

There are too many things you glossed over with more to it. For starters: 1) Why didn't you use the speed study by Van Bijlert? It's the latest one and it estimates Tyrannosaurus at 4 - 6 mph with 11mph brisk speed bursts. 2) There is no evidence that Tyrannosaurus hunted Alamosaurus. Same thing going head to head with Triceratops or Ankylosaurus. Pack hunting is theorized given how dangerous those herbivores were. 3) Tyrannosaurus had a large brain mainly because that majority portion was dedicated to smell. I remember the intelligence papers that came out for Baryonyx and it was that far off from Tyrannosaurus. 4) It's highly likely than Carcharadontosaurids are heavier than Tyrannosaurids based on the Fabbri 2022 bone density study. The estimated mass for MUCPv-ch1, using a density of 0.95 kg/L (Larramendi, Paul, & Hsu, 2020), would be around ~8.17 tonnes which is higher than other average sized Tyrannosaurus. (Stan is 7 tonnes) MUCPV-95, it's latest measures are 6.6% at bare minimum bigger than the holotype, which gives a weight that rivals, if not exceeding Sue/Scotty. Giganotosaurus is overall the larger theropod between the two.

[@niocriste2705]

Do you think that it's 80-90% in favor of the Giganotosaurus?

[@Alex-dr2lp]

Angry giga fanboy

[@bkjeong4302]

Yeah I seriously doubt Tyrannosaurus was that slow. Last time I checked both theropods were able to move at around 30kmh.

[@kingofprehistory7851]

T rex was likely faster ngl, that's a massive lowball

[@MonsterZero521]

​@@niocriste2705cry over the fax rex fanboy.

[@therumbleinthejunglee]

Carcha better than both

[@hafizurrahman1006]

Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Tyrannotitan & Saurophaganax > Carcharodontosaurus

[@ghostysmokesweed9628]

Trex better

[@RodrickRex]

Given the size and bulk of these animals, I imagine they would just go direct jaw-to-jaw at each other, sort of like how Jack and Stumpy was fighting in Dinosaur Revolution. In that scenario, it is difficult to imagine any Theropods would be able to stand up the T-rex. T-rex's massively-built jaw and neck, significantly more so than any Theropods in its weight class, are perfectly designed for this sort of frontal and direct confrontation. The best chance for the Giganotosaurus is to outmaneuver the T-rex and latch on its side. However, the Rex is much more agile and has better eyesight, so I am not sure how the Giga could pull this off. Maybe if the Rex accidently trips on a rock or something, then the Giga could win.