Discussing the Blasphemy Law - Arafat Mazhar -

Arafat Mazhar is the founder of Puffball, an animation studio, and director of multiple animated short films, including Shehr e Tabassum (2020) and Swipe (2020), which takes on the nexus of technology and religious extremism, which has won multiple accolades including best short film at the oscar 2023 qualifying film festival - CINANIMA. Swipe also became the first animated film from Pakistan showcased at Annecy 2021. Arafat has also created multiple educational online platforms: Shehri Pakistan, which produces civic and legal literacy animations; Hashiya, a channel with a focus on critical approaches to history. He is a published author in the Bloomsbury publication ' Freedom of Expression in Islam: Challenging Apostasy and Blasphemy Laws.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:30 The Blasphemy Law
6:30 Hadh, Ijma and Application on Non-Muslims
18:00 How the Pakistani Blasphemy Law was Drafted
40:00 Use of religion in Politics
47:30 Reformation Arguments and State-Religion Nexus
57:00 Discussion in the Parliament
1:01:30 Citizenship of Non-Muslims and Jurisprudence
1:18:00 Definition of Ishq and Speech
1:26:30 Things to be mindful of and Actionable Items
1:38:00 Conclusion and Mashal Khan

[@lavighouri7985]

Hey Arafat and Shehzad, I'm a Pakistani Christian, listening to you and a few podcasters it's one of my way to productivity while compiling sales copies for different brands. tbh, I felt goosebumps while listening to both of you, this is a much-needed podcast and I would to thank you from the depth of our hearts on behalf of the Christian community of Pakistan, you both are amazing guys doing such a decent job. I hope that one day Pakistan will be free from religious extremism.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@mudizee5820]

bro its anwar mahmood not shehzad

[@sumitmohapatra359]

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[@ayubghulam975]

Same here

[@lavighouri7985]

@@mudizee5820 lol 😂

[@sheheryaramer3566]

Much needed conversation. Surprised at the courage of both of you, and praying for your safety.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@avtarwasson4875]

Dr Azad, a true Islamic scholar, was completely ignored by the Pak separatist movement.

[@firadowsi]

the idea that we have to pray for your safety is so disturbing man. More power to you guys.

[@NoLogicNoFight]

😂

[@usazar]

​@@firadowsi not being snarky but life gets a whole lot easier when you figure out prayer doesn't work.

[@MegaNainaa]

As a minority, we always lived in fear of the blasphemy law. Sad that in the country we are born and gave our best we are considered second-class citizen.

[@BLUESKY-xn5wo]

Even as a muslim im.afraid from that law too😢😢

[@factoshala1487]

I feel u If someone says falane ne blasphemy ki h Log bewakoof ki tarah usko Marne nikal lenge accha h i live in a secular country

[@anupam8197]

Can you tell more about yourself? Just curious to know more.

[@syedalishamoil3177]

We were to protect and inspire the minorities but unfortunately we ended up eliminating them..

[@hussein7517]

​@@rohand04 your hindu neighbours literally refer to you guys as rice bag converts lol. Stick to spamming somewhere else bro

[@notafrah]

I m the daughter of the parents who are fans of mumtaz qadri. Growing up i saw them being all melancholic abt the death of that bastard but little do they know that their own daughter has made salman taseer her hero. Thank God i woke up at the right time and found myself at the right side.

[@chandreshmehta2399]

Great....now you shall read qurran and you will find out so many nonsense from that. Read and try to understand.

[@travellingman4609]

Afrah it takes courage to personally question your parents and reach truth. Well done. & to the troll commentor, the followers and fellow nutters like Mumtaz Qadri don't follow the Quran and Islamic values. Quran is beautiful. We don't need obsessive hindutva trolls in the comments.

[@mohammadnasir694]

To be honest, there is not even a need to comment on that troll. It’s understood when one of these spring up. Quran does not even mention blasphemy law which the idiot won’t know. But khair, brave effort. Blasphemy law has been abused for way too long. Second, we need free societies where even if someone does criticise the prophet, we need to defend with facts and not force.

[@electrostatic4677]

​@@mohammadnasir694 But you can't defend with facts bro... Thats the point... Thats the reason why you need to use the force and oppressive brutality..

[@Ainasyeda07]

🤗 Respect and love. It's hard to be on the right path .. more power to u sister!

[@ahmadjamalmughal47]

Holy shit. Several years ago, in 2016 perhaps? I was refuting a madrissa friend on blasphemy laws and I was literally translated this whole DAWN article for my friend, in Urdu, because he does not understand English. I did it manually to convey my point, I remember it took me probably hours. When Arafat mentioned in podcast "he met Ismail" it reminded me of that article because author at point had said the same thing. I just looked up the article and it's written by Arafat Mazhar. ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@bharathfsf3686]

Damn man, you really got balls of steel to do podcasts like this. Stay safe.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@junaid12345678901234]

hamari red line anwar mehmood

[@mryshkh]

Proud of Arafat for doing such in-depth research and speaking the truth in this climate. We must not let politicians and mullahs monopolize Islam for their hateful agendas.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@nowie4007]

Bilkul Sahi kaha

[@nadirnizamani8252]

I watched this podcast in one go. The reason is that the guest spoke with proof and citation, not with firvolous logic , controlling emotions over truth and objectivity. Thank you for this podcast. I literally prayed for the safety and prosperity of u 2 after namaz. U are teaching more than any school book had ever taught the current and old generation of this country. U really are a legend and a priceless treasure of this country. I will always remember u 2 in daily prayers, this is because we need U more than u need us.

[@Ainasyeda07]

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[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@VATSYYYY]

Hi Shehzad, My name is Vatsalya. I teach in US , I am from India. I have great friends from all fields, religions and countries. Time to time, we discuss about different controversial topics. I always say that any kind of transformation in society, can be brought only, by the aware and conscious people from that sect. It is a great start. I hope things change and world becomes a friendlier place. All power to you! New subscriber 👍

[@zkhanhazro]

Which india do you live in? Hindus kill people over cow let alone blasphemy on your gods.. Extremists are everywhere ..btw do you know the butcher of gujrat..who killed 7000 Muslims and was banned to enter most countries before he became the prime minister of mighty secular India 😇

[@kishwerchaudary1340]

KEEP ON TRYING TRY TO GO TO PAKISTAN, AND HIDE YOUR ID, AND OBSERVE

[@sajahan9066]

Do you know if i can get full funded scholarship in west? (Master's degree)

[@gulrezrana3710]

@@sajahan9066 but they spoke truth can’t be denied wake up my dear Muslim brother

[@akhiljoshi6843]

True bro. Respect from India for you tows.

[@thisismylongusernameonyoutube]

This is absolutely the best I have heard in years. I used to discuss this topic with several ulemas when the Asia Bibi case was on news. Most replied: «Agar aapke parents ko koi gali de to aap kese bardasht karoge, to kya Nabi saw ki izzat un se zyadah nehin». Yeh loog samajhte hein ke deen inke jazbat ke tab’e hay. Humein Quran aur Sunnat se door rakh kar yehi batein parhai jati hein. Arafat ki ankhon mein ishq nazar a raha hay. Allah khush rakhe.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@k23j4]

You are accusing others of wrong references and telling half-truths yourself. Your questions have been answered, some are in this link and also emailed to you, you can reply drive.google.com/file/d/1XZuLLL0BSwUFCFfJRf2R7c4_ELQvULhH/view?usp=share_link drive.google.com/file/d/18R2GFSOr8f-0QGQnbweuiok1LavCasHi/view?usp=share_link

[@TheUltimateTruth381]

Aasia even herself accepted crime in front of judge in original case But, Later on Secular powers & secular army Of Pakistan Evaded Pakistani law like always & rescued her strictly despite her punishable crime..!!

[@davidemmyg]

She accepted the crime under duress, just like so many Christians convert to Islam. If Pakistan really had any powerful secular opposition it wouldn't be in the position it is in

[@alifaeez]

Fighting with myself currently to watch it right now or after office and I know I would not be able to control and watch it right away because this topic is close to my heart. I left Pakistan and decided to not return unless laws like that are not discussed without fear. Love from Canada

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@zahidkashmiri1851]

It’s never going to happen in the land of the pure. Nobody really believes in religion through their action but pretends to Be religious.

[@zahidkashmiri1851]

@Himanshu Mishra It is so called of the pure. پاکستان) پاک انسانوں کاملک) they call themselves. I am a sinful man and always ask for forgiveness. But I feel we have gone too far into decay. Religious interpretation of our country is that all other religions are inferior. But I don’t think so. I may be wrong but this is my firm belief.

[@magictree787]

@Himanshu Mishra don't you think so they will get beheaded. Government does not want to scrap it as it will lead to loss of vote. How could they do it. They won't do it so that people from Canada can come back to there nation. They consider there people as scrap goats as let them die atleast one person is reduced from consumption line.

[@AvinashKumar-vp8qo]

@Himanshu Mishra It will become clear one you see it in the context of religion. Here, the one true God calls us the worst of teh creatures. So obviously whatever is left is indeed pure. 8:55 إِنَّ شَرَّ ٱلدَّوَآبِّ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ فَهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ٥٥ Indeed, the worst of all beings in the sight of Allah are those who persist in disbelief, never to have faith- Hope it clears your doubts.

[@zainabmeer222]

Hey arafat. I am commemting here to let you know you are so brave to be a voice of reason. I have read your articles on blasphemy law on dawn many years and it never left me. continue to be what u are and we will get there❤️

[@ayantalukder936]

lv u

[@zahidkashmiri1851]

Let’s hope. But I doubt it in a society like ours. Done quarters are very powerful.

[@zainabdurrani7167]

Cannot overstate the importance of research and programs like the one you've done today with Arafat, Shahzad. This is such a vital topic for every Pakistani to know and understand well and that is what this podcast has done. The conversation around the law needs to be happening in every house and especially in the corridors of power. We need to fully grasp the history, context, reality and impact of it and we need to lobby for sanity to prevail.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@arunraja2782]

I used to think I am brave. I AM NOT. It's you two guys. Hats off from India. Long Life to both of you.

[@gulrezrana3710]

Well there are many among us Pakistani like him not all zombies

[@TheDartholiver]

As a Pakistani Christian, I see no hope in Pakistan!

[@sydzainraza]

This was amazing!! People may not understand how brave one has to be to talk about the topic of the blasphemy law in Pakistan. So thank you Shehzad and Arafat for taking the leap and discussing something this important. I have never seen a podcast discussing something more important than this. Kudos to Shehzad and The Pakistan Experience for always talking about issues that matter. While there may be some horrible social media campaigns against Shehzad hiding under the garb of many different excuses, we all know that THIS is what they want to stop. This is what they fear. Hope you continue doing the brilliant work you do and the trolls will always remain irrelevant and unknown

[@ThePakistanExperience]

You're spot on Zain ❤❤❤

[@redcognito]

His name is not Shehzad, it's Anwar Mehmood from Gujarat.

[@ACommentator7]

U guys are so brave and courageous. Thank u for this im a part of a minority in Pakistan and this is revolutionary. I hope u remain safe in this country. This is Ground breaking. Khuda salamat rakhe apko.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@sohailrqureshi]

عشق جان لینے نہیں جان دینے کا نام ہے Amazing words. I’m almost in tears listening to that specific section. Ishq is a healing emotion and we’ve made it violent. It’s unfortunate that we have to pray for your safety for doing such an informative conversation. Thank you and stay safe Anwer and Arafat.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@naveedawan1459]

بھائی آسان کام بتائیں ۔ جان دینا اور اسلام پر عمل کرنا ایک موت کو چہتا ہے۔

[@Faiza-Irfan]

I actually froze in the first 10 mins of this podcast fearing for the lives of these brilliant men - stay safe Shehzad ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@nandosorkfc]

Do you want to know the truth, Faiza? We are all products of our environment, growing up we think our dad is the best man ever, our mother the best woman...we think the world can't be a better place than our locality - in fact we can't fathom being away from it. But then, we step into the real world one day and realize that all that we knew and thought was just our perspective and not anybody else's. How do you know what you know? Because you grew up around people who said that's the truth. I don't want to get killed but I'll leave you a hint - why's the condition of 57 muslim countries so bad? what's our contribution to modern science and tech? What's in the book for women? Have you ever questioned that?

[@human_hope]

​@@nandosorkfc obviously you mean Islam is bad?

[@AzeemaFaizunnisa]

Same here.

[@SafiaMahmood-pf3mc]

Much needed conversation, thanks for platforming him. The law poses a threat to everyone in this country who are seen as dissenters, not just non-Muslims. I hope we can take meaningful actions to eliminate it.

[@hinduknight2193]

Why you are not wearing burkha in you profile picture

[@bharatkapoor4062]

@@hinduknight2193 are you a maulvi? Oh you are from rss

[@xter124]

Why Pakistan is in trouble the answer is lack of education, please reform your education system don't put religion first, always put knowledge first. Look at us , We Indians have strong education system and IIT's are milestone achievement. We, educated young from both side can bring both countries closer rather than haterdness. Be secular and throw out religious barriers🇮🇳🧡💚🇵🇰... Don't fully trust China , maintain a friendship with china, please do a case study about China's debt trap, remember China will definitely use Pakistan as a puppet for its belt road initiative.

[@bharatkapoor4062]

@@xter124 Yeah removing Mughals history from books is good way

[@bharatkapoor4062]

@@xter124 It's not debt trap china wanted to secure it's oil so having sea and land route

[@prashantprakash3172]

Shouldn't the blasphemy law apply only to Muslims. If the nonbelievers are just that and don't recognise the Qur'an as the end word then why judge us based on it? Anyway, this draconian law must be abolished.

[@AvinashKumar-vp8qo]

You need to lear more about the religion of peace, my man. By your standards even taking disbelievers' women as sex slaves should not be possible. But it totally does.

[@Halz0holic]

Don't talk logic with Muslims. It isn't their strong suit. You might cause a spontaneous explosion.

[@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475]

That religion seens non muslim in muslim majority area as prime violators of kuran cause they dont believe islam, so make them live with humility and opressed so they can assert thir belief on them. Islam in nutshell.

[@nitishsaxena1372]

On a very basic level, the blasphemy law (sec 295A) is a relic of the British rule and it exists not only in Pak but also in India. As far as its applicability is concerned, it is applicable on all the religious communities in both India and Pakistan. The major difference is that after the partition, Pak later added 295b and 295c as well under which the punishment is death penalty.

[@echosmith5256]

@@nitishsaxena1372 On a very basic level, the blasphemy law sec 295A was created by the supporters of the pakistan movement, jinnah helped protect the killer and the pakistani state considers him a hero. Let's stop blaming the british when this law is entirely because of muslims.

[@MasoodMehdi101]

I am half way through and pausing because I am literally in tears. I am not sure why I am crying. part of it is anger that these moulvis can lie like this and we have believed them for decades. part of it is a spiritual catharsis that our religious tradition isn't all kill, kill and kill. I literally got goosebumps when he talks about his personal feelings towards the issue. Sending you prayers for protection. I hope the parliamentarians and senators are watching. this is more important than any oscar winning documentary

[@ThePakistanExperience]

I get the feeling ❤

[@himansusekhardas4526]

I wonder, why the prophet introduced bakrid festival, which neither Christians nor jews follow, although it is related to Ibrahim or Abraham. Why kids are given knives and are encouraged to kill an innocent animal? This process is to instill courage to kill blasphemers, kafeers, murtads and so on.

[@AAmed1980]

@@himansusekhardas4526 No... This is in commemoration of the biblical account of Abraham being commanded to sacrifice his son. Some jews have ritual sacrifice as do some Christians. Many Hindu's also engage in ritual sacrifice of animals, so who are they preparing to kill?

[@himansusekhardas4526]

@@AAmed1980 Bakrid is observed by every Muslim family. Animal sacrifice by Hindus in India is outlawed. Only in few temples it is allowed. A specific person does the job where only select persons of that temple remain present. Children are not allowed to view. Don't be an escapist by comparing bakrid with ikka duka restricted animal sacrifice in Hinduism. 99% Hindus do not support this. 100% Muslims support bakrid. Govt is helpless to stop this mass animal killing during bakrid. Advise me, whether Hindus should be allowed to observe bakrid, like many Hindus observe ramzaan and host iftar parties. So in same way Hindus should be encouraged to observe bakrid by killing bakra. Bhaichara bhi ho jayega.

[@Char444]

​@@himansusekhardas4526 I don't know where you learnt it but it's not Islamic practice to give knives to kids. Slaughtering process itself is done by butchers now in most parts of the Muslim world. Kids cannot handle animals like that, it's just not in their physical strength.

[@samar9192]

Shehzad - I haven't even watched the podcast yet, but just want to say; take care. You and especially the guest.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@ThePakistanExperience]

Allah malik hay

[@chandreshmehta2399]

Really hilarious religion. Religion if leads to violence is never a religion but its a cult made of group of mentally abnormal people. Now onwards I will definitely doubtful about my Muslim friends and colleagues. If at all such law is not prevailing in my country but Islam authentically approves such violence and killing for just saying few words.😮

[@saqibsaleem7090]

@@ThePakistanExperience who is Shahzad ? He is anwar from gujrat... Last night we had an awesome discussion about the the diversity of food in lahore at jella food point.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

@@saqibsaleem7090 great meeting you at Jeela kal Saqib!

[@Jazbaaaati]

I think this is by far one of the most (if not THE most) important podcast episodes by The Pakistan Experience. Thanks for doing this, Mr Anwar Mahmood from NY. Arafat, you’ve uncovered the truth with such grace. I was in tears by the end of this. It’s so clear how this has been a labor of love for you, how committed you are to sharing the truth with us, and how you have absolutely nothing to hide because it’s all there in the sources you’ve shared, available for everyone to read and learn from. Speaking up about 295-C in a climate of violence and erasure is an incredibly daring act. Hope this reaches deep into the hateful hearts of those who’ve forgotten how to love. We need to have more honest conversations (like this one) about love and faith. So, so important. Thank you for this.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@kikotito1094]

@@ThePakistanExperience by the way Arafat mazhar is my motivation bcz of the racism he faced and nobody even knows about that

[@mariarauf3280]

@@kikotito1094 racism?

[@kikotito1094]

@@mariarauf3280 I think u haven't actually noticed the way white or fair color people look at comparatively brown or black people

[@pakistanispoof5440]

Kudos to both of you for bringing light to this issue. This black law has haunted Pakistanis for decacde to oppress minorities and justify mob violence. I salute your courage to have an open discussion on this issue

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@shapackgaming4629]

This changed my whole perspective on blasphemy law. Despite being an open-minded person, I also supported this law because for the longer part, I used to think that there is no other punishment for blasphemy except execution as the famous slogan goes. But turns out, there is.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

This is why we did the podcast. This ^

[@nitishsaxena1372]

The same blasphemy law (295a) exists in India as well but there's no death penalty here because Pakistan later added 295c as well to include the capital punishment.

[@Justice4All-]

The podcast ended and I’m still sitting here, stunned. So many thoughts pouring in at once. One of them is how did it get too far??? This podcast needs to be viral. Bravo, bravo, bravo!!

[@AbdulRehman-uj6pl]

Samee mannn totally stunned...

[@muhammadshoaib189]

Literally, when the notification of this video popped up, I truly couldn't believe that this is happening. I was like "Hi Shehzad, are you sure your going to do this". But this is actually happening and man, hats off your courage. Love For You ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@farooqwilson]

Being a member of Pakistani minorities I appreciate your efforts for better society. Stay safe and strong, God bless Pakistan

[@BananaRoots]

This is the conversation that needs to be introduced to our masses! You are doing great work on an individual level, Shezhad! Stat safe, brother!

[@elusion2012]

When Arafat talked about ishq, I could feel the emotion in his eyes, in his voice, and that made me shed tears. Thank you for doing this podcast, thank you Arafat for coming. 😊

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@StarFahad]

Thank you for doing this podcast Shehzad aka Anwar Mehmood! I think we all understand how sensitive this topic is and what repercussions it can bring. Hats off to you guys! I hope podcasts like these can help reduce the extremism in Pakistan. Sign the petition everyone!!!

[@MuhammadMoiz91]

Tuning in now - Arafat is THE person to go to for the subject. I hope we get to hear about Shehr-e-Tabbasum and his other works in the podcast.

[@elusion2012]

Doc uspar pichle podcast par baat howi thi. Arafat came on the podcast before and it was a general episode where Shehzad discussed Arafat's life and other interests. Ye batain aap kab aarahi hain podcast par?

[@SpontaneousSana]

You should start your own podcast please 🙏

[@Outofthisworld794]

​@Sana Salman she did, aur fatwo ki barsat ki wja se band krna pra

[@mariarauf3280]

Mehrub we love you🤍

[@bharatkapoor4062]

Mitha paan

[@hamnaaslam5461]

Much needed conversations finally happening with excellent backed up resources

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@danishalibaig]

Is mozu pe main apne bhai ya cousin se 5 minute baat nahi ker sakta aur ap jaise daring loug like Arafat ne is pe itni research ki aur phir Shahzad ki ye podcast kerna koi mamooli baat nahi. Kamal ker dia hai.

[@adnaz2991]

Being a Pakistani muslim living in saudi arabia no one is hurting any Others faith and here people convert Islam fast

[@harshnaik6989]

Oh thats because of blashphamy laws. There is no freedom to critize Islam but muslims can talk bad about other belifes. North korea may bhi sab log aram se hai. Javoge?

[@muhammadhussain5854]

​@@harshnaik6989 north Korea me log sukoon se reh hi nahi rahe waha khane ko nahi

[@muhammadhussain5854]

​@@harshnaik6989 ap hindu indian dosro ka peshap pene ajate hai apne kamse kam rakho or dafa ho

[@fantarbacha]

@1:21:00 true that, in Pakistan ' QADIANIS' term used as a derogatory remark. They normally describe themselves as " AHMEDI MUSLIMS". Same goes with other minorities as well mostly common term ' CHHOORA ' for Christians. It's really sad to see we normailized these terms in our society.

[@AshfiaAnwar]

I have been following your podcast for a whole year now. This is the most important podcast I have ever heard in my life personally. I don't even care if this results in any change in Pakistan. It just resolves a lot of things in my head and my deep belief that my faith and my prophet PBUH is not reflected in the way the likes of TLP behave. I am still reading through the book as well (still no page numbers lol). I want to congratulate you for curating great podcasts, asking the right questions and giving us such gems. Arafat Mazhar is a genius and we must protect him. I will share it with my whole family and we will do a collective watch together in the lounge as well

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@sahasss7100]

Bruh it takes BALLS to even talk on this, I hope you stay safe and somewhere down the years you bring the change you aspire to bring.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@waleefusmani9383]

This is the most important podcast you have ever done. Kudos to you

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@saimsadiq28]

So much respect for you guys for this!! Will finish listening soon and write properly but really happy that the blasphemy law issue is being spoken about finally with the openness and research that it deserves.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you super star 💜

[@deathslayer5813]

Blasphemy laws also exist in india where the culprit could be given a sentence of 3 years, a fine or both. But Pakistan takes it to a whole new level by giving the culprit a death sentence!! I think the European Union has asked pakistan to remove this law by 2024 or they'll take back the GSP+ status given to Pakistan. Do you think there would any amendments after the warning given by the European union?

[@nitishsaxena1372]

Such a medieval law shouldn't exist in any civilized country.

[@deathslayer5813]

@@nitishsaxena1372 i tend to disagree! In a country like India it's not about what's wrong and what's right it's about maintaining peace in such diverse country! In my opinion blasphemy laws are not right but they are a necessity, as it's too easy to offend millions of people which can later be used to fuel riots. So I do think that the punishment should be less severe than 3 years but there should be punishment

[@kyadekraheho7584]

To all people, please listen to pakistani mulhid (Harris Sultan), or any other exmuslim. You will now that how only sugar coated Islam taught to many people in Pakistan.

[@nitishsaxena1372]

@@deathslayer5813 you're basically saying the people of India aren't as civilised as the people of those countries where people don't go out flaring violence in the name of religion.

[@deathslayer5813]

@@nitishsaxena1372 there is a certain percentage of extremists and uncivilized people in every country. The catch here is that even if 0.1% of indian population is extremists that accounts to 1.4 million people!! So ass licking the west won't work in a massive country like india

[@maimnatbatool7620]

Elated to see the sheer courage you possess Arafat! Difficult conversations are hard but need to be had. Great going!

[@fatimaanwar2909]

Such an important podcast. This research needs to be accessible to the public. Those who pretend to be the defenders of Islam are lying in its name. If they were true lovers of the Prophet (PBUH) they would stop all this violence and bloodshed in his name.

[@electrostatic4677]

Lol... Ever read the Quran Yourself?? Surah Momin, the definition of a Momin is one who has S*x with their Captured S*x Slaves.. Malk al Yameens...

[@sureshchandra-wd2bv]

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[@meghansh7079]

I am a Hindu from Bharat. I can comprehend the risk you two have taken by having this discussion and I want to thank you for it. India has no blasphemy law yet every other day beheadings are planned and executed on account of the wazib-ul-qatl 'ness of a gustakh-e-rasool. Go back a 500 years(a blip in time in context of this ancient civilization) there has never been any such 'ijma' in this society. Debates have always been the norm here and i wish we can go back to that.

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[@rho992]

India does not have blasphemy law but it does have article 295 which is almost there. Under this countless people are arrested and jailed for insulting religion especially Hinduism, countless are linched, once only people screaming "Allahu akbar" were oppressing and forcing others, but today Jay Shree Ram has become the same war cry. If from the video you only learned that islam bad than I have news for you, India is actually trying to imitate Pakistan in this particular topic and become Hindu Pakistan. Go to any Indian video and you will see this vileness..

[@ss9847]

we continuously talk about blasphemy law whether it is right or wrong whether it should be revise or not atleast we do debate on such issues but in hinduism they kill for eating beef and no one talks about that

[@jigardhuvavia]

​@@ss9847 we do not discuss as we already know its not right to kill for any reason. The fact is that people are showed only one sided stuff there as if every hindu is evil in india and in india musalmano pe bht zulam ho raha hai and such bull shit

[@shikhasingh4235]

@@ss9847 agar sach m apne Allah ko maante ho toh tmhe Allah ki kasam tm ek baar India ka Constitution padho tm jaise logo ko kya secular kya hota h. Tm logo k desh m suar ka meat khi mil nhi skta bikna toh dur ki baat lekin hme apne yha cow ka meat nhi chahiye toh itni takleef??? Dogalapan pakistaniyo ki khoon m h ya koi aur baat h.

[@haseebrehman5786]

Amazing! This is a very necessary conversation

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[@shehrosemir9486]

Each second of this podcast was pure gold! This guy, Arafat Mazhar, is a gem♥

[@ZoyaHasan-tw7zi]

An important and much-needed conversation backed up by solid sources and research. Well done! We need more conversations like these, and more platforms where we can all come together to listen to each other with open minds and hearts.

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[@tooba2232]

So much respect for Arafat for the brilliant work he is doing. May Allah be with you Ameen!

[@amina2571]

I've only just started watching but I must applaud you both - this isn't an easy conversation to have by any measure and the fact that both of you showed up speaks volumes about your bravery. More power.

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[@sureshchandra-wd2bv]

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[@dharmeshparikh7837]

Interesting Podcast Shezhad, you are discussing such serious social issues . Keep doing such podcasts.

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[@AishaKhan-jw9vx]

This needs to go viral and broadcasted on all channels of local Pakistani television so it may provide light in all the dark corners of the minds and hearts of those who are misguided by the Mullah Mafia. I pray that Pakistanis once again unite, value, and accept the diversity of the population. May Allah protect and continue to guide you and keep you safe and provide you with success in your mission. Ameen.

[@thirdwoice]

Very timely discussion, Pakistan will have to addresses Blasphemy Law and gross miss use of it, Else much needed foreign investors and experts will be finding it difficult to come to Pakistan, thus making the economic recovery difficult.

[@MrFeithLes]

A person who wanted to change these blasphemy laws was killed by his driver but the driver was made the hero in this country, what a shame.

[@tariqsheikh5945]

Proud to be ISLAM FREE. The best decision of my life and the GREATEST accomplishment.... DEFEATING PISSLAM

[@AA-kd4kd]

Important conversation! Kudos to both of you for the courage. May we see a Pakistan with religious tolerance and harmony!

[@mahnoortahir4498]

The idea of there being joy in our theology made me pause and try to (unsuccessfully) remember the last time I felt true joy whilst engaging in a religious practice. The constant n o i s e that we are subjected to in our everyday lives permeates our very souls and before we know it- we're unable to tell where we end and the prejudice begins. Everyone's rushing to get an A in their faith by any means necessary and anyone who fails to toe that line or rejects it completely gets kicked out of the room. I can't help but feel extremely aware of how much my environment plays a role in this. The subtle and insidious ways hate has seeped into the words and actions we are subjected to in our everyday lives has shaped us today, leaving us free to strip away the humanity of whomever we're displeased with at any given moment. And that is a terrifying thought. To have that kind of power running unchecked within us, among us. Thank you for this insightful, empathetic and rational conversation! The fact that a majority of the comment section is concerned for your safety speaks volumes about the fear that prevails. The fear of asking questions, of calling out what needs to be called out. And the fear, of giving second chances. Peace!

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[@ranasaadullahkhan6012]

So well said!

[@mahnoortahir4498]

@@ranasaadullahkhan6012 thank you! 🙌🏽

[@authorminator1579]

This. Every single word of it. ❤ Many of us have the exact same feelings. You wrote well.

[@HassanZaheer02]

Absolutely insightful podcast. Read a bit about it but didn't know the full extent of the malignant influence and politics informing the development and fortification of 295-C. Downloading the resources Arafat cited and will be signing the petition. I especially loved how Arafat spoke here (and wrote in a chapter elsewhere) that reformation could come from 'within religion' instead of trying to reform through a 'secular framework.'

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[@umeshnaidu]

Arafat Mazhar & Anwar Mahmood from Gujarat(😊).....wonderful discussion...was amazed at the in depth knowledge of Islam of Arafat...God bless him. .

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[@AliAhmad-dv9qx]

The best podcast so far? Bold, insightful, and extremely pertinent. Exceptional clarity in the evaluation of social and judicial history surrounding the issue.

[@yusraamjad415]

So informative and empathetic both. It's time we understood the REAL history of the blashphemy law and how it has been used in Pakistan's politics

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[@junaidsyedfilms]

This video is a slap on a lot of faces. Good work guys!!

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[@Zoushuaz]

This is so SO brave of you guys! Legit goosebumps. Stay safe guys.

[@hammadahmad2776]

this was a much needed discussion. kudos to you to make such a phenomenal podcast

[@kapsykum]

Takes serious guts to talk about these topics. I am neither Pakistani, nor Muslim, but still understand that these are extremely controversial topics (for whatever reason). So Kudos!

[@luffy34__]

Man 😮I never knew u were such a brave person u got balls of titanium to discuss such sensitive issues sitting in Pakistan. I am worried about your safety brother 😢

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[@ThePakistanExperience]

Allah malik hai

[@luffy34__]

@@ThePakistanExperience I am an atheist but still I agree with you👍

[@vishvajitkumar9497]

@@ThePakistanExperience Allah don't exists

[@ss9847]

@@vishvajitkumar9497 then who created ram

[@noorwaheed1280]

Also thank you the Pakistan Experience for platforming such an important conversation!

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[@george4vIogging]

This is quite an eye opening podcast.

[@Zainab-jb7lr]

Very brave.. both of you....amazing❤️.. goose bumps at 1:17:00

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[@PakistaniMulhidUrdu]

It's amazing that people are finally starting to talk about the downward spiral of religiosity. If you're interested, here's a brief history of blasphemy in Pakistan. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJelnolnhp1qaKc

[@sudeshv986]

Haris bhai ye aapka hi kamal h.. Jo log ab in issues pr bat krne lge h.. Aap sahi kahte h ki aap jese logon ne ground ko bda kr diya... Canvas faila diya... Love u from haris bhaii

[@dollartreeshark6786]

Thanks to Harris!! You spawned a lot of leaders like Sahil, Zafar etc…Brave work!!

[@shahzadasif786]

Glad to hear this, that someone can speak up., awesome and very informative.

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[@dariusaasin5580]

A much needed podcast and very detailed and essential one. Hats off to both you. Keep up the good work.

[@ayeshagull6640]

Well done! The speaker is well versed in what they are saying, very needed here

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[@usamasalamat2001]

An amazing and much needed video. Such an important topic.

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[@karachiseascouts]

Thanks for sharing your research paper. Much needed discussion.

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[@ravindra7791]

You both have a big heart and huge amount of courage....

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[@MrMha2010]

Thank you both for having this discussion on such a sensitive and controversial topic. Love from OGs ❤️

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[@MahimMaher]

Excellent indepth, slow explanation which breaks down history. So grateful to Arafat and Ghias. Details of thinking behind so much debate.

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[@elusion2012]

@MahimMaher you've done such amazing research your self. It would be a pleasure learning from you, please come on the podcast.

[@elusion2012]

@thepakistanexperience inhen bhi dawat dein podcast ki. Yih ilm ka khazana hain.

[@worldofsarthak1628]

Great job. I could feel your emotions. I applaud your courage and love for your country and humanity.

[@mahammahi6779]

Great job Arfat, thanks for doing so.

[@specnaz1395]

Love to you guys from India . You guest has balls and you have greater balls to host him . Hinduism went through a huge movement to improve on its flaws in the 19 th century by hands of people like you .

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[@stfunub646]

Sanatan evolves by its very nature & has no concept of blasphemy - don't compare the two.

[@IITTPPEEDD]

They were not religious flaws, they had crept into the culture over a period of time! Sanatan dharma is a philosophy which in my opinion is way more evolved than any of the Abrahamic religions.

[@ss9847]

@@stfunub646 well is sanatan they kill for eating beaf so you dont need blasphemy

[@lilithraza8615]

Love you Shehzad and Arafat Mazhar. I am so happy to listen to such a productiive dialogue on Blasphemy Laws.

[@jamshedfbc]

Much needed conversation ❤

[@s.s.m9936]

This level of research needs alot of hardwork, persistence, patience and passion. Hats off to you Afrat. You earn my respect

[@uatiger1]

Bro where do you find such amazing people? Hats off to this man's research.

[@ClubPunjab]

The more I’m listening , the more I am wishing for well being of Shehzad and guest.

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[@hamzaiqbal1444]

Comprehensive research on primary historical sources is rare in Pakistan. A very good job on the report.

[@123arskas]

Me and my mother is praying for you both. We need more people like you two who can open eyes of the entire nation. Allah bless you all

[@DTQadri]

بیٹا اللہ آپ دونو کو اپنے حفض و امان میں رکھے۔ باخدا میں یہی سمجھ کر آیا تھا کہ سیکولر لوگ ناموس پر بے جا گفتگو کر رہے ہوں گے مگر میں مکمل پروگرام سننے پر مجبور ہو گیا۔ اللہ آپ کو جزا دے ۔ دل افسردہ اور پشیمان ہے کہ میں تشدد کو شق سمجھتا تھا۔ بہت خوب کہا عرافات صاحب نے کہ سچا عشق تو شاتم کو عاشق بنانے میں ہے نہ کہ جہنم و اصل کرنے میں۔ خوش رہو دونو۔

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[@ThePakistanExperience]

Aap kay is comment nay humara ye podcast karnay ka maqsad poora kardia

[@zainharoon6215]

You and Arafat Mazhar are doing a great job. Keep it up!

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@B95RWBR]

Excellent. Everyone should share with friends and family.

[@arvindnarasimhan4423]

Very Courageous Podcast!! Appreciate your effort..

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@chmazhariqbal]

Hats off guys. You stir up hornets nest. I am a practicing Muslim but some times I scared off that some one will make a false allegations on me and kill me. It is a weapon in molvis hand.

[@raisaanwar9753]

Incredibly informative and pertinent podcast

[@ThePakistanExperience]

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[@KIETIANS]

Thank you so much for sharing this research.

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[@scopysurgeon]

Hi anwar mehmood, Really appreciate your sincerity for the cause. I really don't understand the gravity of this subject from across the border, but i could feel the honesty in question and answers. More power to you and your guest.

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[@umarakmal9624]

Incredible stuff from Arafat. So important and needed now more than ever.

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[@sohebashoaib5068]

Thank you for this, can't wait to hear the whole podcast!

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[@B95RWBR]

Amazing work, more power to both of you

[@HS-hi6wc]

عرفات کے تحقیقی کام کے بارے میں پہلی بار سن رہی ہوں- I'm glad this is being discussed and might refer to some of these publications for my ongoing research work. I would love to speak to Arafat somewhere in the future, especially when it comes to sources, narration and reliability of them. There is ongoing research regarding narrations and sources and word of mouth too.

[@brisingr12]

no one is reading your comment other than random people like me. send an email if you want to contact the guest.

[@HS-hi6wc]

​@@brisingr12thanks. I'll look into finding an email.