How OP are the Timurids REALLY? (EU4 1.37)

[@roaringfork]

This is some serious steamer luck, I've never seen a campaign go so well on the first run.

[@davidjason7072]

He posted the only succesful campaign he tried it lotsof times in lives

[@hbskull321]

The Replaymaker

[@izab3ru]

Timurids/Ottomans rivalry quick info. In the early 1400's Timur (of which the Timurids are named after), rampaged across central asia and quickly moved into Anatolia. He decisively defeated the Ottomans at Ankara, humiliating them and causing a crisis in which almost all of their Anatolian possessions were taken and plunged them into civil war.

[@sto1238]

Honestly crazy the Ottos managed to come back from that

[@ksavampire]

@@sto1238infinite manpower just like in the game 😅

[@backstabber3537]

@@ksavampire He was a simply roman empire lover

[@viniciusyugulis7278]

Honestly this is why I wish there was an Ottoman mission named "avenge Ankara" or something

[@BoodlerTheDoodler]

As someone who has played the Timurids often i honestly enjoy seeing that i am not the only one who just keeps getting clowned on by timing and Shah Rukh’s death wonderful video as always mate! Face cam is cool and loving that you show that not everything goes according to plan or smoothly for that matter 10/10

[@marcinkusmierzak991]

I love your videos but with experience in Timurids there are a few tips 1) rival Delhi - with Sirhind independence you often have almost free show strength on them 2) let subjects RM you - you keep marriages when your ruler dies 3) you start with a cheaper dip rep advisor, you can fire radical reforms later 2 and 3 helps a lot when your ruler dies early

[@daddylaugh1983]

Just RM and do improve relations with strong duchies. Ive never had this much problem doing timurids.

[@socii1x0231h]

Ruler of timurids in 1444 is son of the Timur who annihilated ottomans in 1402 and captured the sultan, almost putting an end to the ottomans. After that, both ottomans and mamluks were afraid of timur's empire even long after his death. During shah rukhs rule he campaigned against qara qoyunlu 3 times and all of them were extremely scary for ottomans because there was a possibility that he would continue campaigning into anatolia which was ottoman land back then. That's why Murad II, father of Mehmed II, just accepted superiority of Rukh and instead focused on crusaders.

[@kmonsen]

I commented once, but wanted to say this is peak EU4 content. My wife came in to ask why I was laughing so much. Thank you.

[@Theplaymaker57]

I appreciate you saying so, I'd had some negative feedback with this one, so I'm glad it was enjoyed by some at least!

[@kmonsen]

I think it was more a fun streaming session than a guide video so maybe that was it. More like twitch than KZbin. You captured 100% how I feel starting as Timurids.

[@vojtechnitra9125]

Iqta interaction is a huge help with liberty desire ....

[@yaldabaoth2]

You can't expect professionals to know every basic mechanic!

[@Eldriitch]

I think this is one of those experiences that is actually way more fun and engaging if you go with it even if you lose and the situation seems bad. I certainly prefer feeling as though i overcame bad circumstances with my own skills than "I reloaded until i got a close-to-optimal start and so im already way ahead of the ai". I'm not against reloading in principle ofc, and everyone can play the game however they want, but for me relying on reloads seems like the less fun way to play.

[@Theplaymaker57]

I can understand where you are coming from, and you’ll see that later in future content

[@benjaminmartin8406]

This is peak EU4 content, I love how you put all the reloads into videos, as it feels so much more relatable and a run I could do as I watch someone who plays this game for a living screech at RNG like I do, 10/10 content

[@myano97]

This was peak eu4, thank you mister the libertydesiremaker

[@MANTARKAFA31]

Playmaker either has the craziest campaigns or instant failures no inbetween

[@sethwright2096]

I was there for the Great Gilan Grudge of 2024

[@davidclore7142]

I have never played timurids but seeing this makes me want to experience the pain first-hand.

[@wheezy1587]

This guy pulls off feats of extreme talent that I could never imagine achieving frequently but I gotta say I had a far easier time my first time with the timurids haha

[@DylanSargesson]

I mean so long as you annex Ajam before Shah Ruhk dies, it's pretty easy to keep your subjects in line. (Although one time, I was playing at the Shah died literally in 1444).

[@RmsOceanic]

Timur clowned on the Ottomans in 1402 and captured the Sultan, sending Ottos into an interregnum and civil war for a decade. Makes sense they'd hold a grudge against you.

[@Calltheshotten]

4:20 I'll get in contact with my people and we'll get you a 20 page essay that you won't read.

[@nenadsarac2887]

timurits is my favorite big nation to play

[@Ulas_Aldag]

Don't know why, but this was hilarious. I literally got tears in my eyes.

[@jurgahong1781]

When you get a subject below 50% LD, they take a month tick to update their attitude to 'loyal'. In between, rivals can still support their independence (even when below 50% LD). That's what was happening with the Ottoman support.

[@tigrosabertooth4757]

1:01 that's a roleplay thing. Shakh Rukh Timurid, starting ruler, was a man of culture, unlike his father, Timur the Conqueror.

[@lokithecrusader]

idk what those negative comments were talking about, this is great!

[@CharlieKellyEsq]

Well, get over the weather, brother

[@Fedrnk]

thanks for the content! hope you feel better soon

[@bobdenalio2074]

The rivalry and enmity between the Ottoman Empire and the Timurid Empire were rooted in both geopolitical ambitions and ideological differences. Here's a breakdown of the key factors: 1. Competing for Regional Dominance Both the Ottomans and the Timurids were expanding powers in the late 14th and early 15th centuries, seeking to establish dominance over key regions in the Islamic world and Central Asia: The Ottomans were expanding westward into the Balkans and eastward into Anatolia. The Timurids, under Tamerlane (Timur), sought to rebuild a Mongol-style empire, controlling Central Asia, Persia, and parts of the Middle East. Their territories and spheres of influence inevitably overlapped, particularly in Anatolia, where Timur viewed the Ottoman expansion as a threat to his influence. 2. Timur’s Ambitions in Anatolia Timur saw Anatolia as a potential part of his empire. Many of the Turkic principalities (beyliks) in Anatolia, which had been absorbed or subdued by the Ottomans, appealed to Timur for help in resisting Ottoman control. This gave Timur a pretext to intervene in Anatolia. 3. Ideological and Personal Rivalry Both Timur and Bayezid I (the Ottoman Sultan at the time) claimed superiority as leaders of the Islamic world: Timur considered himself a "restorer of the Mongol Empire" and sought legitimacy as a great conqueror. Bayezid I, known as "Yıldırım" (the Thunderbolt), saw himself as the champion of Sunni Islam and sought to unify the Islamic world under Ottoman rule. The two rulers exchanged a series of hostile letters, filled with insults and challenges, further deepening the animosity. 4. The Battle of Ankara (1402) The tension culminated in the Battle of Ankara on July 20, 1402: Timur’s Strategy: Timur invaded Anatolia with a massive army, weakened the Ottomans by allying with Turkic beyliks, and disrupted Bayezid’s supply lines. Outcome: Timur decisively defeated Bayezid’s forces, captured the sultan, and temporarily fragmented the Ottoman Empire into competing factions during the Ottoman Interregnum (1402-1413). This battle was a significant humiliation for the Ottomans and a major factor in the enmity between the two empires. 5. Differing Goals After Ankara After the battle, the hostility lessened because: Timur’s death in 1405 marked the decline of the Timurid Empire as it fractured into smaller states. The Ottomans gradually recovered from their defeat and refocused on consolidating their empire, rather than seeking vengeance against the Timurids. Conclusion The enmity between the Ottomans and the Timurids was driven by a mix of ambition for territorial control, personal rivalry between Timur and Bayezid, and the clash of their broader imperial visions. While their confrontation was brief, it had significant consequences for both empires, especially the Ottomans, who emerged stronger after recovering from their temporary setback.

[@josephiroth89]

I don't know why he needed to take all of Ajam in one war.

[@OddlySpecificGaming]

People usually leave Ajam in one province so you don’t get extra subjects

[@cuniving7831]

You need the event war, because the event war let's you full annex Ajam including its subjects. That way you don't pick up 2 additional subjects and immediately have your loyalty fall to shit post war.

[@mrguhtru5209]

u can legit make them loyal so ez with a diplo rep guy and religious diplomat just have ur diploamts ready when ur kingdies you royal marry before month tick and dont take any battle put em on aggresive and only seige let ur vassals fighy and die

[@jamieward3574]

Talking about Iran 'I hate this region'. Spoken like a true American 😅

[@christiannilssen9127]

Love you showing all the failed runs, digging the face cam nice vid

[@azpont7275]

You can get some really neat all horsie armies with Timmies, especially if you do some tag switching (Siam, Mamuluks, Pomerania, what so on, just try ending on Mughals with High American)

[@bradleyn9360]

Rivalling the Otto’s was the biggest mistake here, they will try and support independence and join wars against you in early game. You just have to get past these first missions and this nation is OP

[@ActualizeKufner1]

Video made me go play them myself and go for the Khan achievement very easy run despite the wiki categorizing it as very hard

[@ksavampire]

Gilan needs an achievement in EU5 named “Get that playmaker” 😂

[@bytoadynolastname6149]

Such a good bird watching video.

[@masato9995]

i love playing this nation

[@Moonkiller25]

super funny as always!

[@jasonmain6398]

I see a bit of whining about the video style. I like it personally, youre my favorite eu streamer

[@jeao7115]

Love the face cam making a return!

[@mistymoonshine897]

Ajam is your cores, so stating their land after war intimidates your vassals to be more loyal, supposedly. also, don't give Ajam land to Khorasan, it feeds their disloyalty.

[@mischadebrouwer9855]

Mountains unrealistic? Ask Russia about their experience in Afghanistan in the eighties

[@PabloEldiablo-wn1bu]

At the start you always should have taken the discounted diplo rep advisor to keep your subjects more loyal dude..

[@ntmh]

Don't full annex Ajam in the first war because you don't want their subjects. Just run in and get as many of your cores back as you can as quick as you can and that takes care of most of the the disloyalty problems. Just keep them loyal til 1454 and then you can insta-annex a bunch of the subjects because you have cores on them, too.

[@nenadsarac2887]

You can easily annex vassals too, but you have to wait for the event for the first war

[@tylersimplot13]

How do people make saves and put them in other files and then reload them? Ive never been able to do it, its always like a blank file that cant be used or reuploaded. any help would be awesome!

[@creamedgravy]

You should verify your game files if you're getting so many strange crashes with EU4, I've seen other EUtubers deal with a similar issue!

[@Theplaymaker57]

It might just be my computer, not the game files.

[@jamieward3574]

Ignore the negative comment, that was hilarious

[@ДанилМуромец-п1ь]

Poor Turkmenian bros,who now won't be able to watch playmaker

[@seanstamler1035]

They make you have patronage of the arts as a privilege because that way you can’t get more prestige to lower your subject’s (transox) library desire. Else Timmy too easy

[@Ridien]

Gaslighted by chatgpt

[@ralakili]

Where is the bird counter

[@OddlySpecificGaming]

How have you not played so many OP nations 😂

[@Theplaymaker57]

I mostly stick to Europe.

[@OddlySpecificGaming]

@ like Lithuania…? 😆

[@thegrumpyraccoon]

Playmaker try an opener for Three Mountains as a pirate republic😄

[@nationalsocialism3504]

I've never seen someone work this hard to be this bad at Timirids who are super easy

[@mustafameydan5761]

you were very unlucky. i can say that

[@mrguhtru5209]

bro i main timmies n its really not that hard to keep them loyal first of all get religious diplomat and a diplo rep guy instead of trade you royal marry all of them and asap ally nogai cuz they usually ally ajam dec on ajam day 1 and you dont choose rivals and also u dont take any battles one bad battle and u cant make them loyal and u improve and dev them untill mill tec 4when u get mill tech 4 they all become loyal and u have to be in constent war beefore ur done with ajam u go on multan or baluchistan like if u play it right u dont need any ult 4s

[@Theplaymaker57]

Yeah, this was my first attempt at playing them, you can understand how I'm not going to know what I'm doing.

[@mrguhtru5209]

@@Theplaymaker57 yeah make sense bro i took me a couple times to get it but later u realize its not rng u just have to be ready for ur king to die day 1 love ur videos btw

[@mikewazowski7024]

Is this guy serious when calling the easiest WC in the game ”unplayable”?

[@Rosemarie_and_tomato]

Was it purposely played bad? I mean, Playmaker is a decent player and Timurids opening isnt that hard but he missed a few obvious things

[@donaldmeme8228]

jeez never been so early in a video ever lol

[@starliaghtsz8400]

What playing league does to a mfer 😂

[@Mailomaily]

They were made harder after last dlc ?

[@Theplaymaker57]

I'm not sure as I never played them prior.

[@Ulas_Aldag]

You're right. Timis were never this hard. You just had to conquer ajam before your ruler died, then integrate your big vessels, and it was done. The privileges and events were definitely not there.

[@antonioazevedo9166]

@@Theplaymaker57you dont want to full anex ajam in the first war The overextension will make vassals more disloyal You should just get ur cores and a couple provinces, then work on vassals

[@jasonmain6398]

​@@antonioazevedo9166you definitely 100 percent ajam 😂

[@viniciusyugulis7278]

​@@antonioazevedo9166you have cores on ALL of Ajam there is literally no OE

[@saidmeysamamiry6996]

I cant believe i am trying to give tips to playmaker but here goes nothing Give +mana and religious diplomat and strong duchies and based on luck u may need indebted. Diplo rep advisor is lvl2 half priced get it. Atleast let trax send royal marrige so it wont end by death of shahrokh it may sounds counter inutative but let ur vassals fight without u doing anything they kill themselves and decrease their liberty desire Also dont rival anyone except ajam u may be able to rival ajam if u exploint some taxes development this will let u annex more of ajam vassals

[@saidmeysamamiry6996]

Or better yet increase autonomy on some land to be able to rival ajam

[@bobdenalio2074]

You boggle my mind. you put out videos like the weird eng gov reform video and you look like an eu4 god. but then you make a video like this and it looks like its your first fucking time playing. make it make sensseeeeeee... 10/10

[@demetribell3128]

Day 1 dec mamlukes

[@greenmushroom4258]

Tibet next!

[@champnotchicken4318]

Big ah face cam

[@monkilove-j1e]

I dont like your new "sloppy" videos, please dont play if you re super bored, its not fun to watch

[@Theplaymaker57]

I'm not super bored. I think some people prefer this style. But I'll keep that in mind, and see if other people feel the same.

[@btnt5209]

@@Theplaymaker57 there are plenty of god mode streamers out there we can watch...this content is better for us normies

[@BEEETRUS]

H it isn't bad tho

[@suyner2380]

I like this style because I play like this

[@nocookies2014]

Damn that was a bad video, just complaining and negative vibes all around

[@WileyBoxx]

face too big bro ngl

[@KaseyStaggs]

3 minutes ago

[@DoganHosafc]

to sum up 8k hours of playing austria is not a way the learn the game, you are not even playing very hard mode and you are complaining like all the time,I am not judging i also think getting high and playing eu4 is very fun actualy. My suggestion is you can just bird when shah dies and you can even play timuruids on hard may be very hard too, i think you must try, and get cancer, trying true heir of timur one little trick can save you from cancer when you form mughals if you move your capital back to persian subcontinent you can make trade companies all india it solves adm mana ducat and gov cap problems, with transox its not even hard but with afganistan is a real challenge i think the hardest achievement on eu4 is eat your greens. its more like you are addicted to become cancer. some guys achieved without even forming horde and, its not forbidden to watch other streamers if you are a steamer :D

[@jasonmain6398]

This post just gave me cancer

[@ryrygoogoo]

Pls no facecam!! Unwatchable

[@Theplaymaker57]

:(

[@brunomoretti7594]

​@@Theplaymaker57 Don't listen to them, bro. You are cool

[@aseawari1178]

Fuck this troll face came is lit

[@greater_ape]

Please no face cam it's so distracting

[@MoragTong]

i legitly couldnt make through this flailing video :/ this was just bad

[@Theplaymaker57]

I see, I'll keep that in mind.

[@MoragTong]

@@Theplaymaker57 no hate dude, i usually like your um "style" :D but this was just awful. you have five rowdy vassals from the start. the play is pretty obvious. RM them all from day one, do all the interactions for loyalty, get a diplo rep advisor, bank all mana points for devving their provinces. declare on ajam asap, spend points as needed to keep vassals under 50, when shah rukh dies dump all your points into vassal dev focusing on transoxiana first. if one vassal wont accept RM on day one improve with them until they do. otherwise all diplomats on vassal relations after RM them and dec on ajam. timmies are actually not so RNG dependant as you made them out to be, and once you finish the vassal situation after first ruler dies you legit become maybe one of top 3 nations in the game to do anything you want with. plz dont flail around like this anymore :D flail around with atleast a little sense like u usually do :*

[@MoragTong]

oh and declaring a war also lowers their liberty desire, and having them waste their manpower in the ajam war makes their desire even lower. so have them on sieges or wherever they will waste most of their manpower. timmies actually rule man, so much so that i dont go for mughal flipping from them, i used to stay timmy in my plays until they reworked persia, now timmy into persia is one of my most fun plays :)

[@wischfulthinking]

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