this gap concept is absolutely KEY to being a winning player. 95% of players don't bother to learn it so if you do you'll have the edge and James has explained it perfectly here.
@waiifii223 жыл бұрын
Quick pause to say, Oh yeah being able to write directly into the digital version of this workbook is super helpful! Thanks to everyone whose efforts went towards this! One reason I like using the ratio version of pot odds WITH percentages, at least off the table, is it helps you to really see why the percentage is what is is. The whole picture. Say you're getting 4.6:1 on a call in any spot, knowing that your equity requirement is the answer to the question 100/5.6 provides a wonderful bridge for these different lenses onto the exact same situation. The more lenses you can use, the fuller your perspective so to speak. I also have a question I hope someone can give me some clarity on. Say your facing a call on the flop without correct odds and you use implied odds correctly to calculate you can proceed, you don't hit on the turn, and again face a bet without the correct odds to continue, does your calculation of implied odds on the turn intrinsically account for the outputs from the flop? I guess I'm just wondering what relationship they have with each other mathematically, if any. I'm fairly certain that the answer will be treat each calculation in a vacuum, however part of me feels certain that if this is the case that there must be a way that the turn calculation inherently accounts for the flop calculations future requirements, because implied odds is about something that has to happen in the future, where all other calculations are what is happening right now, so to speak. Thoughts anyone?
@erikvonlovegun52983 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, this has helped me massively with this section of the workbook. Was really struggling with the concept
@toddhertenstein2 жыл бұрын
I have been watching your videos in the background for a long time. Than a few days ago I found these amazing website that helped me take a lot of notes. Than today I finally look at the YT account name and was blown away that your the same guy
@iillinn4 жыл бұрын
Splitsuit vids have been a staple for me as well, as I endeavor to transition into the final stage of Nash's equilibrium. I'm older now and it's been a lot of work. I love it though and can see measurable successes from the things I've learned from James and through Red Chip Poker. Kudos sir and I'll see you in the next "goooooooood morning" :)
@splitsuit4 жыл бұрын
Good job putting in the work King!
@tobiaskarl49392 жыл бұрын
Harrington says one should be very conservative with implied odds. Often outs that helps you helps villain much better -> reverse implied odds. One must bear in mind 56s and a FD gets you to a weak flush.
@casi52903 жыл бұрын
So, in your last example, if you call the turn raise, the pot will be 64k. This call makes only then sense if an aditional 106k will be added on the river, that leads to a total of 170k pot or if the 64k turn pot will increase to a total of 106k on the river?
@MrSickosBeast Жыл бұрын
I got the same question!!!
@BJ-ff5pe3 жыл бұрын
I think the first raises example is wrong. hero bets 40 into 60 pot = 100 equity req - 23% (3.3:1 pot odds) Our equity 20% (4:1 pot odds) Difference = 0.7 Call amount = 60 0.7 x 60 = 42 The answer key says 40. Am I misunderstanding this??
@EduardoJunqueira-zw2em3 ай бұрын
does it mean that after calling with 25% pot odds and having 8% chances of making the best hand in a $160 POT, you should get called a bet of $215, 100% of the time?
@ThePokerBank3 ай бұрын
If you aren't getting correct pot odds at the moment, you need to know how much extra you need to make on future streets AND if you can reasonably make that extra amount
@Giovani90 Жыл бұрын
Lovve your content James. thank you for it
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome Giovani!
@ruslan.serkov3 ай бұрын
can anyone tell me the formula of the gap ratio method as i cant really understand what he is saying without it being written down. You calculate pot odds and then subtract what from what and multiply by call amount??
@ThePokerBank3 ай бұрын
Hopefully the examples and written format in this guide help! www.splitsuit.com/implied-odds-poker
@ruslan.serkov3 ай бұрын
@@ThePokerBank Thanks. Although I have one concern. After estimating your equity or in the example in your guide book it says 10%, how do you find the pot odds needed to "continue correctly?" In this case it says 9:1 but how did you get that result.
@ThePokerBank3 ай бұрын
@@ruslan.serkov Equity is derived from a tool like Flopzilla or Equilab. If you are trying to better understand pot odds/required-equity, watch this video next imo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2PWgquMnNqWjNE
@ronbondie95024 жыл бұрын
guess I better study more flunked your math test yesterday at 60 % man I thought I was at at least 70% that was a good-fun test I liked it. thanks James
@splitsuit4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome Ron. Happy studying!
@bobsanders21452 жыл бұрын
where does the 8% estimate come from?
@davidgervin5272 жыл бұрын
I understand implied odds but implied odds facing a raise calculations in the workbook, I really struggle with. You bet 40 into a 60 pot is 100 in the pot and if they raise 100 total is that not 100% pot bet and 2/1 odds 33%? Why the need for 3x40 plus original pot? I don't get it and had to skip that section, frazzled what brain cells I had left. If 3x40 is 120 + original pot is 180 and a 100 bet is 56% I still can't get to the pot odds equity required to be 23%.....
@ThePokerBank2 жыл бұрын
Hey David, it certainly takes some practice to wrap your head around it. But you know a raise is a pot-sized raise when the other person is getting 2:1 on a call. In your first example, hero would be calling 60 to win 200, which is not 2:1 - so you know a 100 total raise size is NOT a PSR =)
@JianingZhang Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, thanks! One question in the Page 115 2nd example: why the % of pot is 91%? Since hero bets 10K into 14K, villain raises to 40K, isn't the % of Pot is calculated like: 40K/(10K+14K)?
@Crunkster1996 Жыл бұрын
The formula to use is: 40k/((3*10k)+14k) -> 0,909 or Raise/((Bet * 3) + pot before bet)
@kaideraider7 ай бұрын
@@Crunkster1996 Isn't the raise 30k and the pot 14k+10k+10k = 34k? So I calculated 30k/34k = 88%
@dhruvgupta7785 Жыл бұрын
at 7:30, you have said 19% equity but for some reason i'm getting 23%. 30/130. it's just under 1/3 so that would make it under 25%. what did i miss?
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
If villain bets 30 into 100, your risk is 30 and the reward is 130 (the original 100 pot + villain's 30 bet). Using risk/(risk+reward), the formula is 30/(30+130), or 30/160, or 19%. I hope that helps! FWIW, there are many exercises in the workbook to help make these calculations more automatic =) www.splitsuit.com/poker-preflop-math-workbook
@John.RSilva3 жыл бұрын
So Implied Odds is the money that we need to make in future streets so we can make a profit call right?
@brunochano64683 жыл бұрын
I am with the same doubt but i figer out yes.
@vallacespoker79022 жыл бұрын
Would you ever concider doing a virtual hands on training or instructions … I appreciate the content being a feel player for years and learning all of this is kind of hard … been playing years Iv never recorded a hand had a few great live sessions a lot of losing my roo has to be - 200 I have a great feel and horrible luck but want to start full time …
@ThePokerBank2 жыл бұрын
I do those every so often, but don't have anything specifically planned atm. Have you done my free poker math course yet? It should help quite a bit: www.splitsuit.com/the-poker-math-course
@MrSickosBeast Жыл бұрын
Great video !! One question though. Within making “x” more on the river, are we saying that when we hit, we need to ensure that an addition amount “x” is added to the pot? Or is “x” the pot size on the river?
@atfti10 ай бұрын
Prolly a late response, but I believe that X amount comes entirely from Villain's contribution on the river
@EduardoJunqueira-zw2em3 ай бұрын
@@atfti that's weird. It would make no sense to pursue implied odds. We should get called a 215$ bet, 100% of the time. Am I wrong?
@hughjassell52284 жыл бұрын
Strange being the first to see a video. Writing to say I appreciate your work. You have helped me quite a lot. I used to rely only on exploitative play and your work has helped me improve my game. Though I will say math does get you into trouble sometimes. I strictly play live and I will just say that I ran into 4 of a kind 6 times in 10 days when i have the second nuts because, you know, they can't always have it, right? 😄 Last hand I played wasn't one of those but KK over QQ. I have a huge number advantage especially considering we share suits. But he hit broadway after I flop a set... So I guess the run down of this long winded comment is that I would like to ask what to do in situations when you have the second nuts dealing with the "can't always have it" mentality? Do I stick to the numbers and just call it off? Do I trust my reads(which is a problem I have now. Not trusting my reads) and fold or stick to the numbers? My play is starting to get "confused." If you know what I mean. Thank you.
@johngriller49974 жыл бұрын
Hugh Jassell 1) You’re on a downswing. 2) Don’t fold KK or the second nuts unless u have oreo cookies type reads... 3) Move on, onto the next hand like they say.
@chieffanLJ274 жыл бұрын
@@johngriller4997 "oreo cookies reads" lmaoooo fr. This is the right answer. Ya got sucked out on, in the worst way. Sometines getting it in with 70% to win means that 30% is gunna hit 4 times in a row. It sucks, but it is what it is
@splitsuit4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Hugh! Use tells/reads to inform the variables in your equation. Just remember that it's super easy to convince ourselves of anything, but we need to be diligent in finding and discerning evidence.
@spikeconley4 жыл бұрын
@@johngriller4997 "Oreo cookie reads" - I'm gonna use that one
@MrDouxlotus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video but i have a question about the 2nd example : i believe the pot amount is 74k and not 64k since we've already put 10k before getting raised. Those 10k belong to the pot now right ? Am i missing something ?
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
The original bet was 10k into a 14k pot. So a raise of 40k total would leave the current pot at 64K (40k + 10k + 14k)
@MrDouxlotus Жыл бұрын
@@ThePokerBank thanks for your answer!
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
@@MrDouxlotus gladly!
@John.RSilva3 жыл бұрын
What about reverse implied odds?
@ThePokerBank3 жыл бұрын
How much you expect to lose the times you make your hand while being behind your opponent's hand.
@John.RSilva3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePokerBank Thank you!!!
@John.RSilva3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePokerBank Thank!!
@sahbajj45924 жыл бұрын
I didn't get it
@samueltalbot14564 жыл бұрын
He talks way too fast.
@bobsanders21452 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@gourabhalder82104 жыл бұрын
My last hand, I had jj on utg i raise 3x and 4 opponent calls the board comes 8 6 2 monotone I went all in with jj and sb call with 99 and river comes 9 and I lost the pot 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@roumi1234 жыл бұрын
gto beard
@leonarde39025 ай бұрын
this was so confusing very difficult to understand
@ThePokerBank5 ай бұрын
It's a bit complex at first, but it settles in with practice so that you can actually estimate in real-time
@pedropenduko4543 жыл бұрын
Why make poker too complicated???😜😝🤪
@royalflush81733 жыл бұрын
manyou talk way too fast
@johnjoyce25084 жыл бұрын
I think your 1st maths equation was too difficult as a 1st example, and the speed you are doing It is too hard to follow and needing to use an app doesn't help matters. Not very helpful or too complicated to new players.
@splitsuit4 жыл бұрын
I'm open to suggestions, but some concepts are tougher and take a little practice to get them to stick =)
@spikeconley4 жыл бұрын
John, he didn't invent the equation - is it what it is and you can't change it no matter how much you didn't like it. Regarding speed, well there is always the pause and replay approach if you need to hear something again. Also, his comments at 2:00 directly address the issue you raised. If you can't follow that simplified approach, well.... maybe math isn't going to be your forte at the poker tables.
@bartmason99164 жыл бұрын
I often put the playback speed under the video's settings at 75%. This slows things down enough for me most of the time while not distorting the sound.
@johnjoyce25084 жыл бұрын
@@spikeconleyI'm not complaining about the expression of the equation. But He did put the numbers at 8%. The 1st example should be simplified to the easiest possible until the student understands the process.
@splitsuit4 жыл бұрын
@@johnjoyce2508 wasn't the first simplified example presented the 3:1 vs 2:1 ratio gap?
@000gofuckyourself Жыл бұрын
In the first example, where are you getting the 11:1 ratio needed. I am starting to understand finding the gap between ratios and multiplying that by what is needed to call, but I am struggling to find the actual ratio needed vs the ratio I am currently getting
@agauerm Жыл бұрын
I don't use anything else than pot odds, you guys are giving yourselves analysis paralysis and wasting mental energy doing completely useless math... Poker is not an exact science.
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
How is it "completely useless math"?
@agauerm Жыл бұрын
@@ThePokerBank you don't need all that math. Implied odds is very simple. You can compare it to buying a lottery ticket. Your investment is very low, but the reward is big. In essence, if the value of calling or even raising is not exorbitant, you can try your luck with a marginal or garbage hand.
@ThePokerBank Жыл бұрын
Which is easy when the risk:reward gap is huge, but much murkier in most actual poker spots.
@agauerm Жыл бұрын
@@ThePokerBank but then you don't think about it, it really won't make any difference knowing such infinitesimal values.