Finding Warhammer 40K's most expensive (and CHEAPEST) faction.

[@notarealfirstnamenotareall746]

My wallet broke before the guard did.

[@rklkify]

bought all my guard cheap 2nd hand but still NIB so my wallet isn't as broken

[@notarealfirstnamenotareall746]

@@rklkify On a side note guard can be absurdly cheap if someone is fine with you playing green army men. They come with all kinds of funny poses and weapons you can use to denote special load outs, like the mortar ones are now a basilisk. And styrofoam fruit with a toothpick is now your "Lemon Russ". Go ahead and sharpie which model type it is on top. A plastic knife is your Bane'blade'. Really any army can be fully built for less than $50 if you only care about the game and not about the models. And the terrain is built out of some tape and the cardboard from the Amazon boxes your fake models came in.

[@Skykid3307]

Looks at Baneblade Sees price Despite being a guard unit, it has a 2.5 USD to Points at MSRP. Now wants to save over 100 bucks for it even if I never play Edit, actually It's closer to 3.2, so my point is even better

[@lemonisoursquid6101]

​@@Skykid3307 I bought it, didn't have a fun time building the tracks but the rest of the kit went together fine enough. The box comes with enough sprues to build a baneblade *and* one of the turretless variants...except for the tracks and lower hull plates. It's probably only at that point per dollar value under the assumption that you're going to magnetize it because holy shit that is alot of wasted plastic. I threw all four of the sponsons and lascannon turrets that the kit comes with on my baneblade for shits and giggles even though you are technically only allowed to have two, because why not, but since noone in my house is interested in warhammer tabletop I ended up chucking everything else since I don't have a use for terrain pieces lmao At least it looks cool when built.

[@Skykid3307]

@lemonisoursquid6101 Can, you explain what you mean by magnetize?

[@pp_power2680]

As an Australian. It's highly offensive to not refer to our currency as dollary-doos

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

I was beating myself up when reviewing the episode for missing this. It won't happen again, I swear.

[@uncabob214]

@@thepoorhammerpodcast Also a missed opportunity to call it rainbow monopoly money.

[@soffren]

​@@uncabob214that's Canadian Dollars lol

[@RingStudios]

I’m too used to Bluey making it Dollar Bucks

[@socialdeviant13]

​@@RingStudiosI'm not Australian, but that's what my kids call it, too!

[@FallNine]

One of the most chaos lord things said on this podcast: "I shackled some patrons to a desk and forced them to work after they paid us to do it."

[@ChumblesMumbles]

The bastards paid them in exposure! That's Slaanesh levels of perversion!

[@theotv5522]

Internships in a nutshell

[@ericlee1624]

Brad has mentioned an affinity for Tzeentch....

[@____________838]

Tbh, that sounds like something both Chaos and the Imperium would do…

[@TheCa006]

​@@theotv5522You paid for your internship ?

[@klocks2543]

This might be one of your best episodes. GWs marketing department probably hates you but this is the closest thing to a consumer report they’ve ever had pointing out the reality of some of their ridiculouslness.

[@JachymorDota]

Imagine If 40k Had a unified pricing scheme per unit type and Not bases on a mixture of astronomy, tea leaves reading and coke snorting.

[@PeachDragon_]

Imagine if this plastic was priced like plastic rather than high grade heroin

[@JachymorDota]

@@PeachDragon_ Of course, one needs to pay artists, designer, writers and such, but the difference between something like Perry Miniatures and GW is excessive. Plus, if you buy GW, you also pay the shareholders.

[@Bluecho4]

Yes, but that would make it easy for customers to make informed financial decisions. And GW can't have that. The customer needs to be perpetually bewildered and confused, so they give up and pay whatever the company asks. It's the "triple A video game comes out with 6 separate editions, that you need a chart to figure out what they contain" of the miniatures world.

[@JachymorDota]

@@Bluecho4 precisely!

[@Calvin_Coolage]

​@@PeachDragon_If they did that, a box of Intercessors would be 10 dollars because GW uses shitty plastic.

[@petararmbruster5039]

as a custodes player, considering half our range is forgeworld, thanks for giving us more wins than a tournament without eldar

[@captaincorundum9788]

*laughs in recast*

[@pablobro5944]

Just buy recasts, you can get a model that's forge world quality or even better for three times less

[@Epsilvonic]

@@pablobro5944Not a Custodes player but I got a friend who is, any good recasters you’d recommend?

[@dontgetmarried]

You're a true Chad for not using recasts. The Emperor Protects!

[@coh2conscript851]

​@@dontgetmarriedimagine buying forgworld models

[@vilidious]

So the take-away is that optimal entry-level orc army is to take three Stompas and something on the side to make it legal.

[@hammdogporkington3058]

Two Stompaz, six Killa Kanz, and two Meks 1990 points right there

[@Johnnyjester333]

@@hammdogporkington3058 don't you need a Warlord? Is one of these Warlord-able?

[@yokingcactus2081]

​@@Johnnyjester333meks can be warlords

[@Johnnyjester333]

@@yokingcactus2081 Thanks mate! Too unfamiliar with Orks, that'll teach me!

[@IapitusMcHeimer]

Based

[@midnightflare9879]

Sisters have one saving grace: many of their characters are just infantry with more fancy stuff strapped to their armor. So sister characters are super easy to kitbash.

[@cousinzeke4888]

One novitiate kill team can make every non-named character we've got. It's such an absurd value I'm amazed GW hasn't axed it.

[@tikiwiki7428]

same with gsc easy to kitbash im positive if we were using previous points sisters and gsc would swap places cause gsc went up A LOT and sisters are dirt cheap rn

[@CarbonBasedRainForm]

on the flip side the sisters characters include a number of the best looking models GW has ever made

[@Liinuli.]

Funny how Sisters is the second most expensive army. Yet it's the only army in the list that got significantly cheaper with new units. 10 sisters costs 50 euros nowadays. They cost 85 when they were metal. If sisters were still metal, they would make Admech look like Custodes.

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

Same with GSC. I'd argue it's even better for us, cause SoB have monopose models at least in the value boxes, but GSC gives you full neophyte kits with a ton of extra bits. We even get extra bodies from the back of the truck.

[@CourtneyVarner]

My decision to start an AdMech army when I got into 40K is not making me feel too good.

[@chadsauls4210]

same i started a year ago and am still not at 2k points

[@EnigmaEnginseer]

Same

[@TenseTree16560]

Same here :(

[@alexmartin3191]

Same here, and that is why I decided start a custodes army as well.

[@jimriggs5988]

And here I am wanting a meme pure infantry guard

[@itcho_boy_rob3064]

One of my best friends is an Ork player and he wanted a Stompa. He isn't into model making and I warned him that Stompas are not even competitive at all. I love model making and I told him if he bought a Stompa, I'd put it together for him. It was honestly not that bad and actually kinda fun to make. And playing against him when he runs his stompa is a ton of fun! Lots of cinematic moments 😁

[@v02max75]

I'm so happy you guys brought up the fact that old marines have no torso's. I have had wild arguments with people that somehow think they look proportional, it's like...no, not even close. They are CLEARLY missing 15% of their body size. As a GK player who has yet to build the army, this truly hits home. I CANNOT, in any good faith, build that army without kitbashing the piss out of it so that these guys look decent

[@Trazyn_The_Finite]

Yeah, I was happy to hear them talk about it as well, I love the old armor MKs, but I’ve had to do so much conversion witchcraft to primaris marines to have firstborn marines with remotely normal proportions

[@MGPW]

Weird little note: in Australia, Forgeworld used to work out cheaper than GW for Space Marine/IG armies, due to having kits that made "the base troops and stuff" that you needed as well as their specialist things, and having universal pricing regardless of where you buy. That universal price was lower than local GW prices in Australia.

[@tame_stranger9713]

That's truly frightening.

[@resonancesd6340]

Now we just 3D print!

[@soupcake3092]

I used this trick to get skitarii cheaper too.

[@hendrikrasmus]

I like how Custodes and Votan full ranges cost the same but one gets almost 2x the points

[@victordavila9812]

When I first started I was trying to decide between those two and finally I picked custodes best financial decision in the end 😂

[@theotv5522]

The game is balanced by the marketing team

[@Bluecho4]

The infuriating thing is, Votann were obviously _intended_ to sit more towards the Custodes end of the elite range, when they first launched. What with 9th ed's Grudge Tokens mechanic being so powerful. Unfortunately, it became too powerful, the army had to be nerfed, then points dropped to compensate. So suddenly an army clearly meant to be heavily armed and armored were instead a pseudo horde army.

[@japhettheprophet4619]

As a World Eaters player, when seeing the reveals and seeing that they didn’t give us red butchers, I just thought “oh well they’ll be there own unit” in 10th they no longer exist cause they were a strat upgrade, the models themselves only exist on FW, and even then I can’t run them because they are Horus heresy exclusive. So instead I got a revamp to berserkers, cultists, and a bunch of “super possesed” that are less mutated by 8 whole ass daemons than regular possessed with 1 daemon

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

The Eightbound will never not annoy me from a lore/logic standpoint.

[@HuggieMyPampers]

@@thepoorhammerpodcastthey’re literally wrathmongers from AoS. They just copy/pasted AoS and stapled it to the 40K homework

[@jellydamgood]

Can see your point, but WE definitely needs something else in addition to their already very few unique units. It's still nonsense there's no red butchers or jugg riders though, should have prioritised those over 8b. That said the 8b looks great, Big Bois with Big melee weapons. That's all that matters, tons of stupid lore all over the place anyway, why whinge on World Eaters specifically?

[@darko-man8549]

The splitting the chaos codex has ruined the TKsons and WE imo. WE more so. Just arbitrarily khorne warriors have forgotten how jump packs and bikes work for no reason. GW want to milk chaos players to invest more. But themselves don’t want to invest in the chaos armies.

[@icycoatl3185]

The daemons are too busy fighting over the controls to do as much remodeling.

[@BrotherVoidBomber]

I see a excel document in the first minute this is going to be great. Also it's so fitting lore wise that the thousand son is massive data nerd.

[@alfred8936]

Collecting Sisters requires irl spiritual fortitude

[@theblueflamerl]

Its sad cause I legit just started 40K and started with Sisters after having finished my first AoS army. I still will build Sisters, cause I love them as lore and design and their models. But damn, 10th is not so nice for Sisters it seems so far lmao

[@kevoreilly6557]

And loaded dice

[@theotv5522]

Being new to the hobby, when I was browsing through the armies, when I see SIsters I immediately go "Nope I can't paint those" and their pricing only confirms my decision.

[@vurtruvious5280]

@@theblueflamerl 100% try to buy secondhand, many local game stores have like a model adoption section where you can buy models for up to like 75% off. My local has like 6 imperial knights all selling for 60$ each and theyre all fully painted/based

[@peterniles8984]

Orks may have 50 datasheets, but we have the most models; every vehicle is an ork vehicle that just hasn't been looted yet

[@ScooterinAB]

Every model becomes an Ork or a Chaos model.

[@candle_eatist]

Although they may not have their own datasheets, all space marine models eventually become Blood Ravens models after enough time has passed

[@ScooterinAB]

@@candle_eatist I thought they become Chaos Marines.

[@Kibernizzle]

Being new to Warhammer, your podcast is absolutely invaluable. I really appreciate all the work that goes into these episodes. The video editing also deserves a mention for being top notch!

[@theotv5522]

I like this podcast as well, simply because they're the only channel that openly and honestly criticises GW on all their antics. Everyone else seems to suffer from customer/brand loyalty when it comes to GW for some reasons.

[@SockimusPrime]

I am not surprised sisters is 2nd most expensive. We've had massive point drops. There was a post just a few weeks ago on reddit, where the poster's wife had around 3000 points worth of sisters in 9th edition. When 10th dropped, she had to field nearly her entire collection just to make a 2000 point list. After the fall points update, she can't even make a full list. It's nuts.

[@Nutellafuerst]

i gotta say tho, who on earth buys from GW. I recently bought 810 points on sale from a british shop for 320 euros. had to pay like 60 more euros in customs though...bloody brexit idiots

[@alanpreston1822]

If there was ever a video, stl, whatever that GW never wanted to see the light of day, it would be this episode. I know you guys tend to shy away from printed Warhammer, but I would love to cost compare this.

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

I worry GW is going to watch it and have the takeaway be "We should really charge more for Grey Knights and Custodes."

[@GuardianM25]

​@thepoorhammerpodcast That seems unfortunately likely, they always take the wrong lessons from everything. I was missing a sprue from a set, so they sent the same set with the same missing sprue. 'Fixing' the problem without addressing the issue in any way shape or form. I'll just 3D print what I'm missing. But I get the feeling they'll add like 3 models to a box and add $60 to the lower ones you've highlighted

[@burnout800]

I think printed Vs retail plastic is a really good metric to look at. I recently printed a GSC army which cost me about £100-£120 (I bought quality stls for nearly every model which was £75 of the cost). If I had bought the equivalent through a retailer who offers 20% off retail value it would've cost me £560 and that's if the models had all been available (they weren't) and if I had managed to eBay the primus models that you seem only able to buy in a pack. Printed also means being able to print different load outs as things change and even do digital kitbashes. This is probably the most money I've ever spent printing an army but it's already 5 times cheaper than the alternative and gives good flexibility.

[@basstedson]

​@@JanitorScruffyI emailed mantic a few weeks back to tell them I was missing a dude from my Brokkr booster set I bought on Amazon. They asked for a photo of back of the box with the dude circled then sent me one out, no fee at all including postage.

[@SquidGangRiseUp]

Tau are in a similar case to Votann where they're supposed to be a more elite army, but recently got absolutely bent by points cuts. They're practically a hoard after the recent dataslate; my old 2k point list isn't even worth 1700 right now

[@jorgemontero6384]

Hey, it used to be worse in some ways in 9th, where the combat patrol had basically nothing you'd play in a competitive list! Now everything is usable, and the best value per dollar of indivudual boxes is something you probably want to buy 4 times. But either way, the codex is coming in under a year, so it's not necessarily the time to buy regardless

[@theStamax]

Yeah hope we get actual detachments in the codex so the points can go back up again

[@gregsmw]

my 8th ed codex admech army was 2100 pts its now 1400

[@theStamax]

@@gregsmw yikes that sucks. I hope the codex will make their units better so you can go back to a more thematic (and affordable) amount of units. Unfortunately, odds are that admech's codex was almost finished before the edition and a lot of the bad datasheets will probably stay bad :/. There's a hope at least the detachments will be better to somewhat make up for that though.

[@reginadea2821]

It's the same for the eldar. It's quite insane.

[@astral_ragtime5365]

This Tau episode only encouraged me to use more Gundam to proxy for Tau. $18 for an HG to proxy for a Riptide, $40 MG for a Ghostkeel, and $21-25 for three Artifact kits to proxy for Crisis Suits. Plus the plastic is better.

[@astral_ragtime5365]

If you're looking at MGs for reasonable prices that hit the right size: MG MK-II 2.0 TITANS, MG Hizack, MG GM Ground Type/GM 2.0, MG AGE-1 Normal should all be around the appropriate size for a reasonable price. Check the clearance section in your local Barnes and Nobles, you can get some good stuff for way WAY less.

[@marcosayase]

Wow as a Gunpla builder I never though I could proxy with Gundam, could you do something with gundam artifacts too?

[@astral_ragtime5365]

@@marcosayase yes, that 1:400 scale is just about the right size for a Crisis Suit. Stealth Suit you might have trouble proxying.

[@astral_ragtime5365]

@@murphy7801 then this does not apply to you

[@DarkCT]

I've always been eyeing gundam kits for that purpose if i ever thought to take a plunge. but yes, no doubt in my mind, especially after that pricing. for further proxies, you could probably work some gue'vesa somehow using one of those companies out there doing space army humans...

[@eldarmark]

I really don't get how Leagues of Votann can be the most expensive army. Aren't they like, half the size of the Harlequins, data sheet wise? And they're not even an army anymore!

[@Narago.]

This hurts so much. I was really hyped for my smoll bois. 🙄

[@tomdeneen4880]

It's because the votann are a very Mechanized army that runs a lot of terminators

[@thequestbro]

Because while their list of datasheets is small, they need a lot of individual models on the table to hit 2k points. They were also pretty elite, but they got their points chopped in the latest dataslate so you need to buy more. Their models are also admech expensive.

[@quendi5557]

In our defence dwarves are greedy

[@kevoreilly6557]

and they just dropped points by 30%!,

[@mitchellwarren73]

I have been clickbaited, but I am ready for the data

[@SnowFoxWithAGasMask]

*Cries in genestealer cults*

[@keyanklupacs6333]

Thankfully you have an amazing combat patrol.

[@SnowFoxWithAGasMask]

@@keyanklupacs6333 Yep without that combat patrol I would not have even thought about playing the army

[@theotv5522]

Genestealer players have my full respect because painting them is basically BDSM with extra steps. And luckily I don't hate myself that much yet.

[@puracy3452]

To be honest, did anyone ever buy a seperate box of neophytes? 😅

[@caveychip7]

Also cries in mechanicanicus And league's of votann Why are these 2 of my favourite factions so expensive

[@joelkurowski7129]

10:55 what must have made crunching this information more difficult, is the fact that the Space Marine lineup keeps changing. They just lost a ton of datasheets for the second time in a month. Trying to collect every single SM unit just got marginally easier 😅

[@greg_mca]

Add to that that several kits come in the same box and you can choose which to make, the price of getting every unit is technically even lower. Using this principle a land raider crusader/redeemer costs the same as a rhino, because you can just swap the sponsons with blutack each game and technically get both for the price of 1. Similarly any land raider and a whirlwind can be combined to make a razorback, any gladiator can be any other, tactical squads can buddy up to be devastators, and so on

[@DJROCKSTAZ]

All those data sheets lost and it only got MARGINALLY easier?! Dear lord… that is a LOT of datasheets

[@airraid1266]

​@@DJROCKSTAZunfortunately the ones that left werent the overpriced kits (by GW standards)!

[@EnchanterAntlee]

Happy to have helped with the data (and happy to hear Brad actually say something nice about my Elves for once!! 😂😂😂)

[@DoctorCataclysm]

It breaks my heart. I recently heard that Harlequins were a playable faction and I got excited to play. I'm a big fan of the lore and have read most of the BL novels but have never played. Now the Killer Clowns are veritably dead in the water.

[@cousinzeke4888]

Find a friend to play 9th with.

[@utarefson9]

What's your issue with them? I recently had my first game against them (10th, pre september balance update) and by turn 2 over half my army was dead (having played necron silvertide, a list build for durability). They certainly are playable.

[@mouthwide0pen]

​@@utarefson9they're stripped of all their harlequinning because theyre just datasheets with no associated rules

[@boyanpenev9822]

@@utarefson9 No separate book and, in 10th, nospecial rules. They are pretty much back to their 4E version of "unit in the eldar codex" except now you have a few units. They had more "units" in their 1988 box.

[@matthewstudinski2389]

Primaris Crusaders only come 10 models per box. They are only 2.3 points/dollar (140 points/$60).

[@paint4pain]

The most point for dolar in space marines is probably a box of devastators 200pts for 60$ 3.33pts/$

[@elroyscout]

This episode reminds me why I am VERY glad I switched over to Battletech.

[@nicholasevans3994]

I know it's loads of effort for Eric, Brad, Berilio, and like all of the patrons, but I do enjoy these sort of number-crunchy episodes. Good show, chaps!

[@jamesjjameson1632]

As a guy who's been building guard, the points to dollar ratio is the exact reason that I bought a Baneblade and will be using it in every game I play Also, because it's badass

[@lelandmartin3970]

one reason why im getting soldiers from wargames atlantic to proxy as my chaff infantry.Not quite as much variety in posing but a box of 30 infantry that costs less than a box of cadians which builds 10 models is a god send for infantry. less weapon options as well but im happy with plasma and flamers for my soldiers and using the lmgs as auto guns for the sgts. technically the box only says 24 but if you don't mind a lot of crouching guys it's actually 30. Infantry are not the way to go for 10th edition but i didn't plan on making an imperial guard equivelant of starship troopers it just kind of happened. Even if my army is going to be a bottom tier list because i have valkeries and guardsman rather than tons of tanks, it's my army.

[@gotmilk2123]

I cannot recommend going the opposite way. I collect death korps. I have 3 20 man blobs of them with command squads to match. Granted all my resin is recast, but the kriegers are the killteam veterans set.

[@theotv5522]

@@lelandmartin3970 Oh yeah totally.

[@desertwynd30]

And big

[@ShockArcl1te]

The editing on these is only getting better and better.

[@jakejohnson9552]

Still amazed that leagues of votan were the most expensive

[@brent8491]

As a Battletech player, this video blew my mind. You can pick up an A Game of Armored Combat starter box for less than $50 and have a 4K BV match going immediately. I looked into Warhammer mostly for some new models to paint because you can only paint a stompy robot so many ways, but AdMech and T'au were the factions that interested me and very quickly I decided against it.

[@smokejaguar986]

Hell you can pay $20 for the beginner box for Battletch and have a couple of models and some card board cut outs and play right away! GW are mustache twirling villains.

[@brent8491]

This is true, but in the context of the video having two players worth of minis to do a 4K BV battle in one box for about one third of a combat patrol box is a staggering disparity

[@theotv5522]

@@smokejaguar986 And not to mention GW also goes around striking fan-made contents with DMCA as if they need more money. They are actual villains.

[@GoodKondy]

It would be really interesting to see a breakdown of most cost efficient armies based off of common tournament lists, or maybe the average price of a tournament list for each army so you could get a sense of what it costs to be competitive vs just the cost of the whole line. Great job though.

[@krankarvolund7771]

"The tanks are holding the guard" Well, that's also what they do in lore so it checks out XD

[@prashrad2382]

I saw the Podcast come out earlier on Spotify, and it took every fibre of my being to wait for the video to release. I'm so glad I did, I love watching your guys' videos so much!

[@stankshop]

Love the channel, that opening track slaps! Would be nice to see that follow-up to the $500 army episode, but would really like to see you show a quick buy guide for all armies. Maybe start with the obvious combat patrol, then how you'd take all those armies to 1000pts, and then 2000pts. Could be a two part episode, first part 500-1000 pts, second part, 1000 pts-2k +

[@magnus0017]

As an audio listener, who just listened to the podcast twice in a row, perfect timing! I needed something new to listen to.

[@Zorajit]

Don't know if you want episode idea, but would you consider: What datasheets *should* stay in Space Marines? I'd honestly be more interested in them as an army if they were culled back to a manageable size.

[@gotmilk2123]

So i collect crimson fists and deathwatch. Marines become easy to collect once you start collecting around your subfactions' strengths. Even deathwatch want to commit to a unifying strategy.

[@peterrustemeyer6228]

There's no way you need all the 25 year old stuff that is still in the book, and you also don't need all of the new stuff. Once you have like 2500 points of stuff that is currently fine in terms of strength, and then add a unit or two once in a while, you're fine.

[@elgrun2913]

​​@@gotmilk2123I started Salamders so I don't even look at things that don't have flamers/meltas or aren't terminators, characters or battleline.

[@arandomlostsoul753]

My guess is that Brad and Eric's answer will be "Primaris, Terminators, and Land Raiders stay, literally all the rest goes directly into the dumpster."

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

@@arandomlostsoul753 "Sorry Lion, I know you finally woke up, but I'm gonna have to put you down unless you start calling your self a Primaris Primarch."

[@cable1153]

I would love to see something like auspex tactics video where you go over the best 2k points list for every faction.

[@Amberpawn]

This would be a GREAT format to do for AoS as a companion to the Introduction to AoS and Intro to AoS Factions video.

[@MrArbiter103]

Only 1/3 the way through the video but I can already tell this is going to be one of your best. Some of this data is genuinely hilarious and it's all fascinating!

[@HadrosaurHero]

I would be very interested if you used this data to design the ideal (for you guys) combat patrols for each army with a skew towards getting the units that are worse for your dollar in them. A mix of the balance between getting the iconic units and getting the most value for starting/expanding the army.

[@TheSkittleNerd]

43:09 The best value space wolves kit is actually Blood Claws which is literally just Grey Hunters for the same price with an extra 5 man sprue, the best part is the box builds Grey Hunters, Blood Claws, and Wolf Guard meaning it's around 4 ppd and you can run up to 12 of it in an army

[@danielsalay3681]

As someone who just bought my first kit and it hasn't even arrived yet, this hurts. T'au is the only army that "spoke" to me I guess I'm going to have to be chasing deals to get into this hobby. Which honestly feels bad beyond the price itself part of what I'm looking forward too is the building and painting which means used means missing out on a significant chunk of that

[@ILOVENYUU]

Absolutely proxy your suits with gunpla it'll save you so much money and you can pose the hell out of them

[@chapter_129]

Just wanted to say, you guys have become my favorite podcast to listen to. I'll listen to videos over again while I'm working because I just enjoy the banter and the way you both talk!

[@shutiro6898]

I love seeing the tyranofex as best value, but not like this

[@unfortunate76]

I’ve been getting into Warhammer and have my eyes set on Astra Militarum. I love your content and it’s super helpful!

[@Zabzim]

The venerable contempter dreadnought is on the website it just on the Horus Heresy side of things, it’s the surprise surprise called a contempter dreadnought since 10,000 years ago they were abundantly more common. Edit: This is probably why you rated the rhino as being so expensive, as the Horus Heresy model which is completely fine all chaos and custody lists is a good $10 cheaper.

[@BobLoblaw-sf1cg]

Strong work fellas, this is great info. I’m in a few Tyranid specific groups (discord/social media) and they all act as if they are not one of the most taken care of armies outside of SM.

[@SWZerbe]

So for the Space Marine players that were like "Wait a moment Relic Terminators are going to Legends when the new codex drops!" the answer is Hellblasters are the highest PPD unit you can get multiple of.

[@gmwho170]

I'm just getting into the hobby. I have a squad of 5 jet pack intercessors a friend got me to start but once I"m finished with them I was planning on doing a full custodes army. This is good to hear.

[@7hird3ye]

I just got back into the hobby and this helps tremendously. Unfortunately I love the T'au :( You guys remind me of Capital-O Opinions but for Warhammer. I love it. This was impeccably done boys. Can't wait for what's next.

[@victordavila9812]

Now let's calculate how much cocaine per miniature would you be able to buy

[@lullabygully4621]

Well where im at a gram goes for $75-$80 so almost a Start Collecting box. Its hilarious that being a drug addict is cheaper than being a 40k player

[@warclericwill4]

This is exactly why getting into the hobby is such a dreadful thing for new people like myself. And those prices keep going up! Thank you gw now I “definitely” won’t be getting into it.

[@stevecatpatrick8056]

Buy second hand, print, proxy with third party, etc. I have 4600 points of orks for like 500USD.

[@Rawilow]

​@@stevecatpatrick8056pretty much the only way.

[@Tekkaman76]

this was seriously one of the funniest and most entertaining 'cast I've listened to (and taking notes), you're doing the Administratum's work!

[@chrisbatchelor3759]

Wow wasn't expecting custodes to be the most expensive army to collect and ad mech the cheapest! Essential video to watch for everyone!!!!

[@g33kaholic24]

Leagues of Votaan being the most expensive army really sent me

[@PzOwNeD]

50:30 so you're telling me that i should buy the combat patrol to supplement my 4 leman russes that teenager me bought so many years ago...

[@spamquisition4046]

Unironically yes, like I completed a 500 point start list with 1 leman russ vanquisher lol

[@jacobstorm6938]

Greetings from Czech rep guys, thanks a lot for this, i started with salamanders but i later sell my first 2k point army and looking forward on Grey knights your videos are rly cool and full of info for newguys like myself , keep up the great work ! have a nice day

[@Xxredeye215xx]

Best day of the week.

[@insufficientdata0247]

So I've been doing some math myself and i found out that ( in my limited research) the cheapest army you can buy if you were to use exclusively GW miniatures, and use legends datasheets, is chaos space marines, specifically alpha legion CSM. In fact, you could make a 2000 pt army of alpha legion with just TWO KITS! those kits are the Horus Heresy age of darkness box set and the chaos space marines legionaries box. With a little bit of kit conversion and usage of legends datasheets, you have an army that costs only five dollars less than three custodes combat patrols and has about 50-100 pts more. Now I know that you probably want more than just a legionnaires box(the kill team box being a good alternative) and the army is VERY infantry heavy. But of you want a cheap army that isn’t custodes and is at a good scale(grey knights), that’s the best thing I can think of.

[@Reinhard96]

I've never played and I already feel so defeated. The Omnissiah protects? I guess I'll be getting me a 3D printer...

[@SlyBlueDemon]

I was planning on World Eaters being my first faction when it was announced they were coming out end of 9th but they need more units. In the book, they talk about stealthy World Eaters and that sounds so cool, really wanted them to have at least some shooty normal legionnaire with guns or something.

[@_Xerota_]

The riptide is $115 USD? dang! It's only $94 AUD here in Australia, which I just checked, is like $60 USD.

[@w0t3rdog]

Yeah... they are 840 SEK here (Sweden), which is about $75 USD. Still dont know why I would buy them though. Pointwise, they are about the same as a trio of crisis or a ghostkeel, but crisis got more dakka, and ghostkeel are better at flanking/holding objectives. What do riptides even do? Hell, had they atleast gotten anti, then I would have seen a use for them.. Tau really need some anti... like, soon, the memes about Tau not having melee will swap for Tau being unable to deal with armour.

[@ADP057]

As a Black Templar player, it makes me so happy that our existence causes you such pain

[@panoptikum9768]

I have an Excel sheet for my Admech army and I currently own about 1800 points of Admech and paid about 450€ for it, so pretty much 4 points per Euro. However, I did buy 2nd hand (still in shrink, though) models and also never purchased something from the official GW store.

[@Indriel_44]

So what's the point if we are talking only about buying original models straight from GW? You can buy every armie from 2nd hands or print them but admech will still be at the bottom

[@panoptikum9768]

@@Indriel_44 I just wanted to put into perspective how much official GW prices differ from what you can actually get the modells for. 450€ (about 500$) is still a lot for 1800 points.

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

You know actually I made one too for 30k Admech. Their points per dollar are pretty atrocious there. My worst that I could find was .62 points/ dollar on the tech thralls (their basic trooos in 30k). They have some really good deals on characters though since you can stack 500 weapons and upgrades on them for points. The best by far is the Archmagos Prime on Abeyent for 10.72 points/ dollar.

[@panoptikum9768]

@@Unknown-qj9sm 30k has amazing Admech models, but they are so expensive and all from Forge World. I hope they make it to 40k/plastic some day.

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

@@panoptikum9768 I’m hopeful. Their most recent roadmap for Horus Heresy said they had a new army range moving into plastic around the release of the Admech codex.

[@sammigrimes5284]

41:25 Ill have to check the Auspex video because maybe I missed something, but a Primaris Crusader Squad box only has a 10 man squad in it, which is 140 points for $60 MSRP. It's still a solid deal, because no price is too high to cut down the enemies of the God Emperor with 90+ chainsword attacks, but if you want the 280 point 20 man brick, it costs $120 MSRP A Redemptor dreadnought is a better price per point ratio. Heck, Assault Intercessors are a better ratio

[@ethantaylor8517]

It's really discouraging as someone new to the hobby (6 months) that the faction that got me invested (admech) has priced me out completely. It's become a struggle to stay motivated when your faction is expensive and bad. Even third parties are expensive with their discounts.

[@MeepChangeling]

A resin printer costs like 140 USD, and enough resin to print a 5000 point army will run you another 60 bucks. Thingiverse has everything you'll need. Go nuts!

[@ScooterinAB]

*takes a long drag of of his many editions long cigarette and feels the same way*

[@MrSpelljack]

This is a lot of math. Props for doing it. Props also to the editor for making it look so darn *GOOD*

[@krald8421]

You would think they would expand the guard range... Cadia has been gone for a while

[@dudemcguy8949]

There’s a reason these guys (I think it was them, could’ve been another person) said that Krieg should become the face of IG. They’re probably the most popular regiment in the fandom, their design evokes the “unknown billions of the frontline” that guard is supposed to be. In lore, they’re probably putting out the most soldiers over any other planet. They definitely fit the WW1 style of the Guard more too, but they’ve definitely been pushing more towards WW2 with the Rogal Dorn.

[@gotmilk2123]

Catachans and krieg need plastic command squads and hqs, and catachans need a similar killteam box to krieg.

[@krald8421]

@@gotmilk2123 Valhallans need love too

[@theotv5522]

As long as the Imperium fanboys keep yelling "The planet broke before the guard did" Cadia will be around.

[@rakino4418]

Valhallans with a Commissar Cain character... come on

[@lisaleone2296]

I just started putting together a Drukhari army and I'm using 3d printed models for my Urien, Court of the Archon, and Grotesques because I really want to run those. I hope GW versions come out but I'm happy with my decision.

[@Manchu8169]

it would be interesting to see a cost breakdown of the tournament winners' armies (pay to win?)

[@timunderbakke8756]

For the armies that need love - I have no leaks to back it but I am 90% sure World Eaters and Votann will get a bigger chunk of love this edition since they’re essentially new armies last edition (yes I know WE goes farther back but it was in the main CSM book til now).

[@17raysplays29]

Y'all are way too mean to Cadia! 😠They're like, the 5th coolest Imperial Guard regiment represented on tabletop right now!!!

[@Kohdok]

Actually worst points per dollar would be Terrain. You literally spend infinity dollars for zero points.

[@CanonessEllinor]

Being sororitas is suffering

[@sisterapollyon5121]

Probably my favorite warhammer channel

[@deathdynasty1628]

31:30 stop attacking my templars☹️

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

No.

[@deathdynasty1628]

​@@thepoorhammerpodcast aw man😢

[@SleepySlann]

One fun thing to note is kit versatility. Take knights for example, it is almost impossible to make a bad purchase for that army. one questoris kit, with a handful of magnets, can make 7 different data-sheets, that can be changed on the fly, as you experiment with army building. The only other model who can match that is probably the russ.

[@thomasfleming8131]

I feel like not just using the plastic contemptor for Custodes because its labeled for 30k isn't quite right but I suppose it makes little difference. Edit: Since you brought up Relic Terminators, if it is plastic, Forge World doesn't sell it. The kit is primarily for 30k, but it is a GW kit.

[@TheRabbitman3000]

When I first started in the hobby, I loved Sisters of Battle but couldn't afford to build them because they didn't have any plastic boxes at all... they've gotten better, just not by much

[@aristotle29]

Thank you guys for making this video. This has saved me so much money because now I know to never get into this game. a 3d printer, free STLs, and One Page Rules looks like the future of war gaming.

[@dcruize]

3rd party shops like Wayland Games undercut GW by 20% plus you can pick up much cheaper still on ebay. It's not as horrific as this video implies.

[@aristotle29]

@dcruize I can get a resin 3d printer for about $500, with resin. There are countless free stls out there. One page rules is free. So, for an investment of $500, I can build whatever army I want and can even play games like star wars legion or shatterpoint, and I can 3d other things that I may want. I don't think that 20% cheaper than GW or ebay minis can compare to that.

[@dcruize]

@@aristotle29 I've picked up 1k of GSC this month new on sprue (except one well painted neophyte squad+Locus) for just under £100 from eBay, so it's not too expensive. Don't really care about non-GW games as there's zero chance I'll ever meet anyone who plays anything but GW tabletop games. I'm a member of the Warhammer 3d printer Facebook group and what I've seen there just puts me off 3d printing until it just works out of the box and doesn't stink.

[@aristotle29]

@dcruize so you got a crazy deal that totally sounds made up? Good for you. But that is rare, to say the least. Just because you only play Warhammer doesn't mean that other people can't play other things. Also, if the minis were dirt cheap to make, it wouldn't be that hard to make a spare army for another person to play a new game. Again, seeing the price tag of any of these games is enough to drive anyone away. Did painting minis work for you right out of the box? Sounds like it's something that you have to practice with and put some work in to get better at. Just like every other skill in the world.

[@DDPMonster]

At current, you can make Tyranids work for $500. You buy 3x $60 Hive Tyrants, and make a winged, walking, and swarmlord. Then 3x $60 Tyranofex. Then buy the $110 40k starter set which gives you, 2x10 Termagaunts, 2x1 Ripper Swarm, 1x3 Von Ryans Leapers, 1x1 Psycophage, and 1x1 Winged Tyranid Prime. That brings you to $490 and 1875 points before enhancements. Alien Cunning, Perfectly Adapted and Adaptive Biology on your characters in the Invasion Fleet brings the total to 1945 points for $490 MSRP + some random space marines. Edit: Spelling

[@BaronElBardo]

The question now is: ¿What is the cheapest list you can make in each faction?

[@wodmarach]

Thats what the $500 challenge is for.

[@GregAtlas]

Here's an idea for you to analyze: Factions with the most profiles that are unusable. For example: Tau combat drone squads are absolutely not worth bringing on the field for their points and capability. You mention in this video about how some of the factions need more profiles, but this is even more exemplified by the factions that have limited profiles AND some/many of them being unusable.

[@joshtucci468]

Space Wolves having a lot of datasheets makes total sense when you realise for a majority of there existence they’ve been there own army with all there own unique units…

[@chitzkoi]

I absolutely cannot be fucked with 10th edition, but I LOVED this video. I make spreadsheets about buying projects a LOT, and i love sale shopping, and data-driven buying like this is such a great hobby. Seriously though, learn 2nd Edition and get together with your friends. Small armies, unchanging codexes, individual combat resolutions, gun jams, vehicles with hit locations, card-based psychic phase where everyone plays... it's the most fun.

[@Deamonized11]

Sisters being not only one of the worst armies balance-wise but also in cost really stings. They're my favourite army but I really don't want to collect/play them in this state :')

[@unheardtuna1998]

I am an Admech player. Welcome to my pain.

[@theotv5522]

I don't play sister, but like Brad said, only idiots buy their armies off GW stores. Ever since I heard that, any 40k stuff I buy, I bought it off 3rd party sites. I suggest you do the same.

[@terricon4]

And with a 3d printer and some Sunloo Water Washable Grey Resin, you can print out most units at like 50-300 points per dollar.Custodes/Grey nights you can literally print an army for less than ten bucks if you hollow and are careful with your supports and such. Plus bases, bases do add a bit if you print them, or buy them, but I think I make my case. Space marines coming out at like 15-25 cents per unit, IG and sisters like 10-18 cents each, an IG sentinel with all weapon options for $1.20 (base included), you get my point. If you're playing with friends, just buy a printer, even maybe a share buy for your gaming group, and ever just gets to take turns on printing time with it (just pop someone elses print off the base and leave it in a UV proof box for them to come buy and clean up all their prints whenever it's their time). If your club just wants to mess around with trying other armies, or trying new minis to pain or other things, it's a good buy. And if split that's like $50 per person for the up front investment.

[@IronWarriorBarrak]

Good old plastic crack. Even more expensive than real crack funnily enough. Plus god forbid Games Workshop lowers the prices for these tiny men

[@Vorpal_Wit]

This was fascinating content guys. Kudos, and thanks to the data monkeys in the background that helped you out.

[@vexron5872]

Both my wallet and my brushes will come to fear Ad Mech as much as I do, but I will persevere as the Omnissiah decrees.

[@davydatwood3158]

I do love the efficiency of "dead Queen coins" since that hits almost the entire Commonwealth. A most palpable hit, sir. One of the things this episode is highlighting is that it is *weird* to me how 40K has taught us that every datasheet should have a separate model or kit. It's very, very different from many games and very different even from the beginning of 40K where there were a handful of actual models, but they gave you lots of options for how to use them in the game and you just painted/kitbashed them to be what you wanted. I dunno, this is probably me entering my "get off my lawn" stage but to me it's not odd that 20% of the Drukhari stats sheets don't have official models, it's odd that 90% of the Eldar *do*.

[@lets-fetz-lets-play]

I´m Impressed great work. I like your presentation and Categories. Even for me who is not the best in Math I could understand how you calculated everything. Thanks for that. 👍

[@otaris2099]

One kit I always appreciated was the Tzeentch Chariot. You can build it into either the Burning Chariot and a Herald on foot or you can build it into the Exalted Chariot and have the Exalted Flamer on foot. If you dont feel like attaching the blue horrors to the chariot as decoration you can just put them on some small bases. Getting two separate units and some extra blue horrors for the price on one box is nice. If you can find this kit as part of the start collecting tzeentch box its even better.

[@CTCParadox]

I don't even really play 40k anymore, but listening to you two guys talk shit for an hour or so is always entertaining. Cheers.

[@pablohalcon]

Thanks fellas. I'm trying to get back in after a 20 year hiatus.