Holiday Box Showdown! Has their value decreased each time?

[@vojtadrasner2440]

You should each design ideal Christmas box. (same price, roughly same box discount and put in what you each would want from such box)

[@Jack-wy4cg]

Found the GW employee.

[@petervansan1054]

@@Jack-wy4cg good, maybe they could redesign battle sisters to include multimelta

[@johnny_turk9983]

i second this. i'd like to hear their views on their own Christmas box and what you want in it.

[@amycox7508]

That’s a great video idea

[@vojtadrasner2440]

@@Jack-wy4cg nope, I just like this type of their videos

[@SlainBlackguard]

I literally switched from podcast to youtube just to see the hat animation and lens flare. Thanks for the content!

[@nickvjohn]

I liked the bastion box purely because i love how tts made rogal dorn

[@thefloatingcontinent9897]

Aww yeah been waiting for this. You two have become my fave 40K KZbin channel.

[@alfadasfire]

Too late, they sold out instantly lol

[@alfadasfire]

just checked the site of my local shop, the ONLY one that is still available is the Spesh muhrine one. The rest sold out instantly.

[@Zieg_Games]

Loving the Finhammer episodes!

[@WillHammer117]

had to book a holiday day in on the saturday to be able to go to gw and buy the angron box in the opening minutes. personally i really like box's having a big named character in them, makes gettting a primarch easier as its not one box that's 100 quid but it's also better for newer players. atleast in my opinion i think newer players should be the priority in christmas boxes. I fully realise all the box's still sell out to veteran players anyway but ya know.

[@doppelduffer]

Invader ATV was sold in the imperium comic for £8.99. Getting it at any price now feels like a rip off

[@johannestafelmaier616]

I have to somewhat disagree on the Guard Box and some others. First, Christmas boxes are not meant to be bought twice, the pre-order system even prevented that. The entry cost into Warhammer is very high, and this is GW reducing it to gain (new) people playing new (sub) factions. This is also helped by the fact that they are strongly limited (FOMO), and sold at the perfect time... Christmas. Second, especially in the Guard box, they are all new minis. GW is currently in the process of replacing many older kits as seen in the latest Space Marine release wave. The new kits usually also have less obvious mould lines etc. Therefore, I think the Guard box is quite good. Would honestly hate it if there was a Leman Russ in there, I think Rogal Dorns look so much better...

[@ninneplug]

Wanted the Votann box, but it sold out online and no local store could get me one. They're limited to 3 of each and all are spoken for. Really irritating, especially when people are posting here they got multiple sets. Considering everything else is sold out for 6+ months at a time I'm just gonna give up on ever building the army up at this point. Either stick the crap in a closet until GW pulls their head out or sell it on eBay and use the money on other products companies actually want to sell me. Also I'm hoping tons were bought by scalpers so I can laugh at the eBay auctions where they try to sell Votann boxes for $500-600 not realizing that there's nothing special or limited edition in the set and the main draw was the discounted price. They're just gonna be trying to sell normal models for way over retail for no reason.

[@kikolokopo_toys]

Christmas boxes should be a LOT of weird stuff, different types of units AND one centerpiece type model/unit. I dont wanna have 15 minis for christmas, I want a lot of stuff to do for like 2 months

[@gregsmw]

honestly, any discout box thats a spam of 1 unit is bad imo i would VASTLY prefer 4 different units, over 3 of the same with 1 extra, no matter what they are

[@ohgodno2733]

@@gregsmwnow while I do agree I have to say the guard box should get a pass sense 20 guys and 2 Rogal dorns for less than 300 buck in freedom is good and if you get the combat patrol(or cadia stands sense now on places like Amazon it’s cheaper) you now got around 885 points for only 340 freedom papers of units you want to run with only one dupe and the field ordnance batterie which you probably don’t want to

[@gabemamede5793]

Trust me you definitely don't want that, we've had those types of boxes before and they are a god aweful entry point to the hobby. In the past it would be stuffed with unplayable garbage that no one would ever buy

[@mastodonseven]

​@gabemamede5793 Depends if you are coming at it from the perspective of painter vs a player

[@richardpearce234]

I don't think our hosts understand Guard. 60 infantry isn't the max you'd want in an army, it's the minimum for a balanced force. And command squads are great for building stand ins for our absurdly overpriced characters, so having a few extra is great. 2 combat patrols and this holiday box is a very good start to an IG army.

[@legodragon1999]

What do you typically run for IG lists? I hear a lot of comments from Poorhammer being frustrated by the focus on Cadian infantry, as opposed to Krieg.

[@mouthwide0pen]

Yeah, 60 sounds like a lot until you remember that it's 120 points for 20 Cadians. 20 Cadians are the equivalent to 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Eldar Storm Guardians (and their lil artillery thing ig), 5 Khorne Zerkers, etc. Like they even acknowledge with other hordey infantry (nid gaunts) that you're probably running 60 of them if you're trying to use gaunts in a balanced list, but they seem to treat Guard as if people only play it with 90% tanks. I get not knowing armies well, but cmon, you treated Nids right and they use battleline the same way! Hell, 60 hormagaunts is still less reasonable than 60 cadians, bc unless you're doing a swarm oriented list, or just fucking love hormagaunts, you'll still probably have a mix of termagants and hormagaunts, whereas Guards basic infantry aren't mechanically all that different. Nobody has any reason to run Cadians and Krieg in the same list aside from thinking that they both look cool.

[@MaelMoroni]

@@legodragon1999 Ironically you should never ever run Cadians, every other infantry has better abilities and weapons

[@Hello-bp8dx]

@@legodragon1999​​⁠​⁠not OP but I am a guard main. The number can honestly depend on what kind of list you’re running, but as another commenter said 20 of our guys is roughly the same strength of the standard squad of almost every other army. Basically, in you’re running a regular old combined arms type list, you’re looking at around 100-120 bodies. For a tank focused list, about 60-80; for an artillery list, 80-100. And of course infantry focused lists will go even higher. It’s even possible to do a pure infantry list and get about 360 models on the board (and it’s strangely viable, too). PS: Kreigers and Cadians actually have separate datasheets. The basic gist is that cadians take objectives better while kreigers are more tanky.

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

Hosts are dead set on guard being the "Only tanks" army and ignore the existence of troops on a frequent basis, according to Brad and Erick the only way to play guard is 80 Leeman Russes and like one squad of infantry to sit on the back objective, why? simple, they don't like horde armies (unless you are nids ig) and Horde guard players find it annoying (Hell, I aint even a guard player and I find it annoying)

[@Barrlounge]

What ive slowly learned from these past few videos is the Poorhammer patreon is basically paying to work for Brad and his crazy episode ideas 😂

[@theotv5522]

What else did you expect from a Thousand Son chaos marine?

[@_Morph1ne_]

60 guardsman is like, 40% of the way to “never need guardsman again”

[@tomtheconqerur]

So 150 guardsmen in total?

[@desertwynd30]

​@@tomtheconqerura fine start

[@RockyX123]

All infantry guard! 6 * 20 man Cadians - 120 (720 points), 6 * 20 man Infantry - 120 (720 points), 5 * 20 man Catachans - 100 (550 points) totaling 340 infantry! Might need to remove half a squad for an HQ but 60 guardsman isn't even close to enough!

[@krahnjp]

"If you have an aunt or an uncle who's buying 200 US dollars worth of stuff, hook me up with that aunt or uncle." I totally wasn't thinking adopted aunt, I was thinking Brad wanted a new sugar mamma/daddy on the side for his GW fix.

[@StephenMAdam]

What I got out of this video: there's a magical store that sells $85 Angrons..... now to find it 😂

[@elevenone]

I managed to pick up a Skarbrand recently for $90. Deals are out there, just gotta be patient and keep your eyes open 👍

[@demon1103]

Crazy thing is...almost. In UK after the 20% off they get there(because they get lowest base price as well as the best standard discount for 3rd party stores), Angron comes out to £80, which equates to $100 USD.

[@tuurderom2017]

@@demon1103they don’t get of, you guys just get scammed

[@NostalgiaVivec]

@@demon1103 can confirm got angron for like £84 plus a few quid off with my loyalty points. Recently got a questoris NIB for £55 too off FB marketplace they MSRP at £105 and on 3rd party stores go for about £80-90

[@velphidrow]

​@@demon1103 what standard discount for 3rd party stores. Everywhere I've been is MSRP

[@tkelly6121]

We should buy these for our friends as great christmas presents right?

[@spacechannelfiver]

If they were still made of pewter you could put them in their shoes like a cat with lego.

[@UrbanArmada]

Give them money so they can buy their own stuff.

[@MrLFJ7]

lol

[@devonolson6018]

We need a dream faction box video, I'd love to see what you guys would pick for fairly balanced starter boxes, you guys could even pull a GW and try and fit in a kit that doesn't sell well for each faction

[@McGunpla]

I feel that “perfect starter box was 6 months ago”. I’m trying to get into the hobby with Salamanders and the battleforce is 1.5xmsrp

[@DJ_Birdman]

Agreed. Cause the Salamanders Strikeforce box gave you. Adrax, 3 Aggressors, 3 Eradicators, and I believe 20 Intercessors along with Salamander Primaris frames. Which is an amazing starting point for someone wanting to play Salamanders. Or even just getting some decent units for marines.

[@timunderbakke8756]

The only Christmas box I regret missing out on was the Knights box last year. I really want to make a Chaos Knight army and that would have been great but of course I was a dummy and saying “nope not going to start a new army” back then. I’m pretty sure I’ll never see a thousand sons box set that’s worth it because I already have the major centerpiece.

[@iharpo9292]

Honestly i felt similar about the nids box this year. I kinda wish it didnt have the hive tyrant because theres so many hive tyrants floating around on ebay and stuff. Its been in like, every value box for nids for years

[@TheJohnApocalypse]

It hurts to look at American prices for Warhammer. Like a Kill Rig here costs around £70 and Outriders cost around £30

[@shadowmetroid18]

It's because the exchange rate was decided in the 90s when the pound was strong.

[@nebulonian1385]

Australians have just brutal prices, exchange rate's about 2 AUD to 1 GBP, but they pay a 3 to 1 rate. 224 for a Kill Rig and 98 for Outriders. Interesting to contrast them with Japan, which has a similar exchange rate (after the yen are cents math) but much lower prices, 18700 for a Rig and 8300 for Outriders. I get that their pricing models are from a bygone time, and they like to talk about how much it costs to ship things out there, but I can't imagine trying to partake in this hobby at GW prices over there.

[@charmingdruid9]

@@shadowmetroid18that’s just gw terrible argument for more profit lets be real

[@-Seek-17]

Mate over here in Norway it's 90$

[@iharpo9292]

​@@nebulonian1385gw shifting the costs to the consumer is pretty dogshit when they likely ship in large bulk quantities. Espescially making it a difference of 10-40 dollars or more

[@lionman8295]

As a Raven Guard player I love that we got our own box! I just saw it walking by my local game store one day and was surprised when I saw that because GW kinda forgets about us! And it’s everything a Raven Guard player could want. Except Reivers. I can’t help them there.

[@TheTopo8798]

It was previous year box but, yeah, I liked that there were boxes for less popular legions instead of DA, SW and BA

[@BrandonL337]

I've honestly been eyeing that box for a raptors side project, and just harvest the reivers for bits

[@iharpo9292]

The reivers could be given the bolt carbines and just run as incursors or smthn

[@MrSemtexHD]

Video Idea. Create you ideal Combat Patrol or Christmas Box for every Army. That would be interesting

[@bloodhazard67]

I would watch that. It sounds fun.

[@CatCraine]

Honestly a great idea. As a Space Marine player, I actually enjoyed the thematic boxes that were based around a single chapter.

[@RaptorianxdReviews]

My wife got the Votann box, and I got the Tyranid one. Need those Nids for Horde mode, and also the Emissary is just cool. My wife was kinda falling out of love with the hobby until we played Horde mode, and now she's looking to pick up the Combat Patrol too so she has the whole army like you said lol I tried to get her to get the Ork one because I love Squigs, but she plays Ork vehicles and already has a Kill Rig, so it didn't really interest her. I could have picked it up for myself I guess, but I wanted the Nid box more and money is expensive "It hurts when I get up." You didn't have to come for me like this Brad, you didn't have to go for the throat

[@briochepanda]

"The Voh-taaaahn~" is so very melodious. Edit: Also, you understandably forgot the lift suited guys with the heavy weapons, one of the coolest but under represented units in the range.

[@Dram1984]

The problem with the guard box is the “value” is in the free guardsmen, but I don’t know any guard player that needs more guardsmen. We all have tons already and tons unpainted because we get them in every box we buy. For a starting player I think they’re great (except you’ll quickly have too many command squads).

[@LollipopKnight2]

As a starting Guard player, that's pretty much my opinion. I do have too many Command Squads, using this and a couple of the Combat Patrols (and I arguably have too many Dorns, since I picked one up before the Christmas boxes got revealed), but at least they add meaningful durability to a squad through their medic's Feel No Pain, and help get Orders all over the board, even after casualties. But I am expecting to enjoy not having more Guardsmen to paint, and doing it purely for art reasons. Still, I plan to pick up another couple of Shock Troops boxes, to kitbash some Catachan-equivalent squads together. My first planned list is going to have 80 dudes, and some Scions.

[@theverlorenguardsman]

Despite collecting guard for a few years now, I actually don't mind the extra command squads flying around. They're not terrible to kitbash into other things. I've done psykers, Regimental advisors, commissars, and some book characters for my tanith.

[@DragonuFear]

The problem is infantry squads are silly expensive, and value boxes are often aimed towards players starting armies over veterans. Without the old 15 dollar box of 5 cadians you really need infantry in the value boxes to cut the cost of a guard army down.

[@iharpo9292]

​@@DragonuFearikr i love how gw wants to sell you stuff and price it based off of how much of an army it takes up, unless thatd take the price below like 60 or 50 bucks. Outriders being 60 is ridiculous for literally 1 and a half sprues

[@0ohmit0]

I have 120 guardsmen and I still don't have enough. I welcome the sea of infantry. Might of been nice to had it as 2 squads of kriegsmen though

[@Azzo114]

Aah poorhammer talks shit about valueboxes once again, now thats the content I came for!

[@1xoACEox1]

You guys should compare start collecting/combat patrols over the years. And the old school battleforce boxes. But yeah that SM box is so transparently dangling 15 of the new shiny assault guys in front of you so they can get rid of the atvs and bikes.

[@GeorgePtacek]

In defense of your statement on the guard box: as a guard player myself 40 infantry from this box and the combat patrol alone is not enough. Most guard players run a minimum 60 and an average of 80-90. If you’re going heavy into infantry that number goes well over 100. If there is anything certain with guard, you can never not use another 10 or 20 infantry here or there.

[@Rook986]

Here's hoping next year we'll have a Emperor's Children xmas box with Fulgrim and a bunch of noise marines

[@scerpalman]

I may well be wrong, but I think the Daemon Fulgrim release for the Horus Heresy all but confirms that we won't be getting a 40k update to Fulgrim or Emperor's Children for a long, long time.

[@wailmerpail]

​@@scerpalman40k emporer children is alr confirmed in the works its almost guaranteed to drop in a year or two

[@mizter5597]

​@scerpalman my wallet hopes so, my brain weeps if true

[@Skykid3307]

Well, there's now an Emperor's Children Index. It's trash, but it most likely means that either the end of this year or sometimes next year, we'll get a proper release for them.

[@kyubimage9526]

The Tyranid Box is a bit of savings, but I think the real reason it sold out so fast is because Norns have been out of stock since release. I personally do not need another flying hive tyrant to take up an entire case, so I can wait till the fabled day when I find a norn at my flgs.

[@gammafighter]

The Sylvaneth box from last year was killer. If you built it for max points, it was like 1300 and all useful units. For another $200 or so, you could make a legitimately solid starting army.

[@BoldAndSpicy]

And no one seems to have wanted it, much to my benefit. I was able to pick it up for $130!

[@cthulhubecausewhynot1182]

The Ossiarch Box this year is absolutely bonkers value. Morghasts are a pain in the ass to find in the US, you get a LK, and you get more of your anchor units (Mortek+Nanny and Kavalos). It’s very solid and the Harvester is pretty fun to paint.

[@cactus_judy3929]

The nighthaunt box was as well. Really good value units wise and a solid spread of battleline depending on army build

[@jozefkeresturi2139]

41:00 I love these episodes. They are a good way to figure out the current state of 40k prices.

[@sockylogic2014]

I am looking forward to my squig box. I really want a 2K army of squig orks. Not big into the rest of the ork line. Definitely tempted to buy 2 if my local game store has a second copy.

[@chunliam]

I was so angry at how fast the boxes sold out. These should be for newbies getting into the hobby and someone casually wanting to pick this up would just never get a chance. I tell people to play AoS cause it’s more newbie friendly and the models are more available/cheaper

[@mannofdober873]

Leagues box: Cool. Awesome. Nice mix of units. Got me to start a Leagues army. The box I got. Guard box: Cool. Awesome. Personally would've swapped one of the Dorns out for either a Leman Russ or a pair of Sentinels, but it's a neat tank so it's fine. Tyranids box: Cool. Awesome. Nice spread of units, but I've pretty much got all that stuff anyway. Doesn't matter so it's fine. Orks box: Not a huge fan of Snaggas. Not that I don't like 'em, just not interested in 'em. Fine I guess. Don't really care. Space Marines box: Boring. Shit. Terrible. Garbage. Who the fuck came up with this box. World Eaters box: WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND EIGHTBOUND?! THIS THING SOLD OUT *IMMEDIATELY.*

[@blake-peace]

Only the World Eaters and Tyranid boxes are sold out in Australia

[@skylar.benson]

You guys talk so much crap about space marine players… you’re never wrong, but it still hurts.

[@t.mcgarry4]

Christmas boxes are so weird man. They're clearly designed and marketed as gifts, but for the majority of people it's a hard sell to ask them to spend $250-$300 depending on what currency you use on, to someone who is unfamiliar with the hobby, literally just plastic toys.

[@Tekkaman76]

as always these guys are my north star in the wonderful word of poorhammer and in saving our hard earned imperial credits

[@brianhall4182]

The fact that an ATV costs 50 dollars and Outriders cost 60 is absolutely disgusting. They should not, under any circumstances, cost anywhere near that much money. ATV should be 35 dollars most like the old Attack Bike was.

[@merica6502]

I found the Kill dakka war band discounted at my lgs one day. Long story short, I'm now at 5000 plus points of orks

[@Quaaludio]

exact same story for me

[@ummdustry5718]

09:15 y'know a warhammer 40k themed happy meal toy actually isn't the worst idea in the world (from GW's perspective), hooking all those kids on plastic crack at the same time...

[@uwesca6263]

Besides 2 squads of cultists and a myphtic blight crawler i never brought a singular box for any of my warer armies. Only big boxes most of the time with a discount. So far not bad.

[@macaroni_21]

Something i thought about during this video, what should Warhammer minis be priced at? I mean, we all know Warhammer is over priced, but by how much? Like, how much should a box of infantry be? How about a character, or vehicle/monster?

[@BlackSquadPro]

Hey, 2022's Admech box was great! Buy two of them and you're set for like half an army! Also the Knight Box was incredible, we shall never see it's like again...

[@BL_Lusha]

I think it shold be pointed out that the Cadian Defense Force is a better value than the old Bastion Platoon. Back in the day, those cadian guard were only 35$ (maybe 45$ with the cadian upgrade sprue? but im pretty sure that sprue dropped in late 2021) And the old Sentinel was *dirt* cheap. While the comparison to now $$ might be good, I don't think its a true comparison to prices back then vs now, as the *new* cadian guard

[@BL_Lusha]

I should waited on my response a bit, but I also just don't like the old box tbh. The tanks it includes are well... bad tanks

[@tracesosebee5485]

As a Guard player, I have wanted at least 1 Rogal Dorn tank since they released, but could never get my hands on one. As soon as I saw this had 2 Dorns, I grabbed at it because I already have a nearly full Guard army

[@darklordofcaliban3551]

But where can you get them ? (Now) The Space Marine box is really bad if you take into account that the ATV is in Warhammer Imperium Magazine, so the savings compared to where you can get them alternatively is really bad.

[@MechaEmperor7000]

The price hike is more drastic in canada where I think they went from like 220 to 280. Combined with our taxes (which can be up to 13%) this is quite a huge jump for the average collector.

[@kej6753]

Their value is generally terrible for the amount of money you have to put in. When I first bought holiday boxes they were 80ish dollars, now they are 200+ Who the fuck can afford them anymore? I don't care about how much you save because I can't realistically afford the box in the first place.

[@AsuraBoss]

I ordered two of the Orks boxes because every single bit can take two variants of it if it's not an infantry kit and it gets you so many options. I'm stacking it on with my CP and the Boarding Patrol.

[@Gloomshimmer]

my printer finished the last berserker from the box i couldnt buy, today. looks good. cost.....40 bucks for resin

[@Incogneto_mode]

My family does a gift exchange and my aunt got me (who plays space marines) and I PRAY she doesn’t get me the space marine box

[@NostalgiaVivec]

for the guard box. as a guard player you NEED like 50-60 guard at least if you're going armoured to be competitive. if you're going arty you need way more and if you're going pure infantry you need WAY WAY more. Command Squads are useful not for having like 2 command squads but because you can get a command squad and kit bash 5 different HQs for cheap.

[@Kibbet21]

For me it was the soulblight gravelord one vs the 2 years ago one its the exact same but instead of more chaf units you get dogs and beasts that's it its the same box

[@13Progamefail]

Hey, Funny story from a german here the World eaters were sold out almost instantly and the Crap marines are still available 4 days later. 🤣 however i myself am happy that i got myself a set of the Tyranids (sold out after the first hour) so im gonna see if i can get my hands on a leviathan box next month so im really good off in the mix and match department (I literaly just started collecting the tyranids like half a month ago). The rest sold out also quite quickly but to me it so fucking hilarious that their "poster children" are so unwanted😆 considering the value of the box it's no surprise but still im smiling thinking about it

[@echoesactzero5131]

That ending remarks of the "go back in time 6 moths to get your aemy box" is some thing some one actually told me when i was contemplating votann but instead of 6 months it was like a year

[@DelzaArmy]

I hate how great the ork box savings is because I just bought two

[@timunderbakke8756]

I mean, if I played orks I’d be all over it. I just cannot let myself buy a horde army and then jump all in. I also think part of my problem is my brain only has so much capacity for 40K and I’m struggling to retain all the knowledge.

[@coffeelemon6496]

The Space Marine box might not be good. But god dammit, I'm a White Scars Player, so I'm taking it!

[@Birdmanesp92]

Nothing is more funny than spiteful love like getting someone a centerpiece miniature near $200 just to piss them off

[@notarealfirstnamenotareall746]

I'm under the impression that they roll a bunch of dice and select units off a paper depending on what the dice say after throwing in whatever they can't sell and/or are pushing.

[@knobjob2839]

I gotta say GW will be my last stop for any minis. eBay and proxy models ftw.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

3:15 God I wish I could still get em that cheap. I am lucky to find outriders at under $50 now I would also say that comparing the DG/TS box to WE is very reasonable

[@lordcastellan4735]

Remember the cadian and catachan defense force boxes? It was 2 infantry squads, a command squad, a chimera, a leman russ, and a heavy weapon squad.

[@carna-9501]

Pepperidge farms remembers

[@Sneaker3719]

As a new player who is itching to break into World Eaters, this box looks absolutely delectable. Plus, Poorhammer signing off on it is just the confirmation I need to know I'm not getting screwed. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

[@gumbspleengle5270]

Unfortunately its already out of stock

[@Sneaker3719]

@@gumbspleengle5270 Not at my local game store, though! So I'm all set.

[@3Xero3]

If I hadn't already bought Angron, I would've jumped on it right away.

[@changrcaterham5784]

So the conclusion is that Space marines take an L every year and only now was it noticed

[@awsomepokemon1060]

WE box selling out in less than a hour (I cannot get one)

[@84jesterx]

I bit the bullet and went for the tyranid on. It has literally all of what I need to complete my post Leviathan release set that I got. I'm actually ecstatic for. I paid way too much, but I cannot wait to have those freaking new hormagants and Genestealers...and that sexy new nornqueen

[@Gurmudgin]

I see my 500 dollar yeet into orcs has been approved by Poorhammer. Thank you for enabling my addiction. FOR THE SQUIGZ!!!!!

[@toschememestation1031]

By Grabthar's Hammer... What a Savings

[@Birdmanesp92]

Best holiday box was the Squigalanche box. The Ork box is close second

[@boutinpowered8373]

You forgot to mention the large double upgrade kits included with the Raven Fuard and Imperial Fist boxes, on top of the characters. So you lose potentially $80-90 value on those. I'll probably be grabbing a second of the new SM boxes to go with my first. Same for the Tyranids one that I already ordered. I collect Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Black Templars (all with Deathwatch shoulders) so the new SM box is super valuable to me as I own zero jump troops and can always use more bikes, lol. The Tyranids boxes will bring my Norn and Tyrant collection up to 5 each. These days you want two Flyrants for your Vanguard Detachment. So some good value to keep me busy next year.

[@cptkrank6802]

I was somewhat relieved that SIsters didn't get a box this year, though it's hard to get Sisters at a discount, I still have the last 2 Sisters Christmas boxes on my shelf (because Sisters at a discount is an auto-buy).

[@quahodron2756]

In puncto shrinkflation: The favorite potato chips of my daughter was like 200g in 2005 and is now, for the same price, .... 75 gramms. It's outrageous.

[@evulutionofgaming]

Just for the future, if your are stuck getting pushfit, clip a small bit of the pins they will fit better. With the outriders i broke the pins off completely, as a couple were broke in the indomitus box and made it easier to make the gap minimal. Hope this help someoen.

[@stoneosborne9247]

The Thousand Sons box from last year was my first foray into the tabletop portion of Warhammer. Think it's kinda cool that I started and finished my first year of the hobby with Daemon Primarchs.

[@Argorok87]

Starting Votann, managed to get one copy of the Christmas box (would have tried for two but was also getting the Orks) from my FLGS but managed to find a Sagitaur at a discount as well which I've grabbed. Then I'm going to use the loyalty points the store offer for another Hekaton in the future. More roundabout way than getting two of the Christmas box but pretty good way of getting that sweet double up of the expensive/hard-to-find vehicles.

[@mangohub3252]

I think the votann and ork boxes are incredible and glad I got them

[@sonicwingnut]

So I managed to get hold of 3 Christmas boxes - two Votann and a World Eaters one @ 25% off RRP so £315 for all 3. The objective with the WE box was get a cheap Angron - Already sold the 6x Eightbound for £60, selling the Berzerkers for £30. So that's a £25 Angron model. Second Votann box got rid of half the hearthguard and extra characters which equals a Sagitaur, Hekaton and 5 Hearthguard for like £45-50 I think.

[@SolarComms]

Not gonna lie.... I was expecting a "And they are already out of stock" after the transition to the show at 0:26. Great episode. I hope the patrons ask for an AoS episode.

[@3Xero3]

Well.... half are out of stock if that counts 😅

[@Gajaczek93]

I bought Bastion Strike Force recently because I am building imperial fists based army. It fills all my Gravis-clad desires and I get aggressors which are strong now. Gordon I didn't own so was a good pickup for me.

[@peterclarke7240]

I just still find it so depressingly on-brand that GW FINALLY bring back a fan-favourite race, the Squats, but make them outrageously expensive. I mean, I get it. They're nice, new models, and GW want to make as much money as possible...But it still makes me sad. Fortunately, Mantic Games Forge Fathers and Wargames Atlantic Einherjar are a thing, so, ya know. sod you, Gee Dubya!

[@Forestxavier20]

In my eyes, a good Christmas Box is as close to 1000 points you can get within 300 dollars. Make that 400 dollars or so with Horde armies like Genestealer Cults, Imperial Guard, and the main Ork Boyz. They should be Combat Patrol/Boarding Patrol Supplementary (ie Don't make it just Combat Patrol+) They are relatively balanced or at the very least themed if they are specializing. Space Marines, you should have had this done as a White Scars themed box this year to at least JUSTIFY why half of it was vehicles and the other half was Jump Pack Assault Intercessors. Newest Lines and Newest Armies should get their pick of box first. Votann and World Eaters literally couldn't get their models so this Christmas Box for each is great. Following that, Themed Boxes should be the focus: Orks got a range update and refresh, so let's throw a bone to the Squiglovers. Next: Lore Boxes: Tyranids Box fits Leviathan; Space Marines make sense because they are always the front and foremost. Finally: Pure Value Boxes: The Cadian Defense Force is the reason your local Imperial Guard player is crying tears of joy and praising the God Emperor whilst munching on a 24 pack of crayons. They got a box or two because at 700pts per box, they just got their army up to 2k and it only costed them around 700-1000 dollars. With these ideas in mind, a Battleforce Box would be relatively balanced to show off the army or being themed around a specific subfaction like the Snakebites in this current Ork box, they would be ready or close to ready for an Incursion game, with ensuring that people who want to get into the newest armies or buy the newest line of models for their faction can, theming around current lore, and finally ensuring that some people can afford to play their army.

[@Verity98765]

This years Marine box was also the worst value in terms of overall savings compared to standard RRP -20% (at least in UK prices). Votann was £78 off, Orks £64, Guard £54, Tyranids £48 and Marines only £46. Many places weren't even selling at 20% discount so you're potentially only really saving like £20. It felt like they were trying to take advantage of the "Space Marines always sell factor" in a time when that is now no longer as true.

[@StarkMaximum]

The problem with the Space Marines box, in my humble opinion as a Space Marine player, is not anything to have to do with the value, it's just the variety. Put the Outriders and the ATV aside for now because they're kind of bad. That box is nothing but jump pack marines. Like, it's three five-man squads of jump marines and a jump captain. That's not...that's not anything. The Votann have six units _total_ and they still have more unit diversity than the Space Marine box has (note that number is sarcasm do not try to gotcha me by telling me exactly how many units that army has, I know it's 12 and that's counting Uthar and the generic Kahl as different units). If I want _specifically_ jump pack Marines, that box is a okay deal only because buying one means I probably never have to buy a jump pack ever again in my life. But if I'm not interested in that, the box has absolutely zero pull for me. Which is great, in the grand scheme of things, because I means that's 200-250 dollars I don't have to fucking spend. But I will point out, the Heavy Intercessors are my favorite unit in the whole codex, so I _would_ buy a box that was just 15 heavies and some other stuff. Yeah, I know it's the exact same deal, but I do like the heavy boys and I _do_ want those en masse.

[@R3K7NO]

Ah yes, great value boxes of old. Back in older editions, and I mean back around 4th edition, transports and troops were sold in a box together. So you'd get 10 CSM/SM and a Rhino, or 10 Guardsmen and a Chimera. It made it difficult as a poor student, since things were more expensive, and it felt like you needed a tank list to even compete. But ultimately it was a great deal, and GW ended up selling a lot more vehicles than they otherwise probably would have. This would be the best idea for value boxes. Take a faction troop, dedicated transport, upgrade kit and maybe even a leader/character and slap them together- oh wait... Still the best value boxes used to be the starter kits. The 3rd edition boxed set came with 10 Tactical Marines, 1 Landspeeder, and 20 Kabalite Warriors. It was also extremely reasonably priced. 4th edition with BfM and 5th with AoBR had exceptional value. 6th started going downhill - it had amazing value, but the price started to increase painfully with Dark Vengeance, but also had some of the best Chaos Space Marine sculpts.

[@dragonling748]

In AU, the space marine box was 285 (third party) and 3 Jump Intercessors and a Captain is 280. I'll pay $5AUD for 3 out riders and an ATV. But if I didn't specifically want 20 Jump intercessors, and waited for the Christmas box incase they showed up, then I'd be pissed at this box.

[@PhillipOnTakos]

That Space Marine box wasn't very good. My brother though was able to get basically a 75-100 dollar discount on it's original price, because it had been sitting in a store for over a month past the discontinuation. He grabbed it mostly for the jump pack units but those dumb bikes/ATV have been super helpful. Getting it at even more of a discount helped justify the still crazy price. We do live in Canada so keep in mind the prices are higher over here than you guys in the States. It was still a major discount which does give that moment of weird bias towards the box. It's still the worst one BY FAR.

[@Naxthural]

As a reminder, Ebay is a GREAT way to get a lot of miniatures. Maybe not precisely what you want each time, but I have 3000 points worth of misc black templars including 5 Dreadnoughts, 4 Rhinos, a drop pod and well over 50 marines, Helbrecht and more for 350 US.

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

As a guard player, I feel like I have to say I fundamentally disagree with the "too many troops" complaint for our boxes. This the Imperial Guard; we can out-horde the Tyranids on the table-top, and considering infantry guard is pretty good right now, you can NEVER have too many guardsmen. I do agree that double-Dorns in a box may be a bit much, I would like to see other vehicles make an appearance, and also the re-vamped Heavy Weapons Teams. Like come on, where the hell are they? Also as far as the being Cadian goes, the thing about Guard is that they are practically meant to be the customizable faction; Cadian equipment is just kinda seen as the universal standard for the Astra Militarum, so with minimal effort you can proxy Cadian troops as practically any force in the galaxy. That's always been a major hobby advantage for us.

[@07734Jr]

In regards to the Krieg issue, I feel like the reason they don't do it is because there is only 1 plastic Krieg kit. As much as I want a full plastic refresh of Krieg, they aren't going to add them to combo boxes because they don't match the aesthetics of virtually every other Guard kit (FOB, Scout Sentinel, Rogal Dorn, Command Squad, etc). Ideally, I would like an upgrade sprue so I can convert at least my tank commanders and stuff without buying from forgeworld.

[@MrunHide]

What you said about the Guard boxes, them being only interesting for complete beginners, can also be said about the Tyranids boxes. As someone who plays Tyranids since 4th edition I don't need any more Hormagaunts, Genestealers or Hive Tyrants. I don't understand why people are so hyped for the Tyranids box. You get a Hive Tyrant and "bigger Hive Tyrant"-looking model as well as small, fast melee guys and the other small, fast melee guys. Should've thrown out the Hive Tyrant and the Genestealers for something like a Carnifex and one of the new Bio/Pyrovores. Would make for a more interesting and balanced mix in my opinion.

[@zwiebelbart7496]

Please explain why you hate on outriders so much :'D i Play 6 of Them with the ATV and a chaplain in a firestorm detachment and in literaly EVERY Game my opponent does Not know how to Deal with Them. This is almost 40wounds with T5 which can move 18 inch and can still shoot. And within 12 Inches they got devastating wounds from the chaplain.. outriders are Just damn awesome.

[@thelonelybolter8245]

3:28 So obviously GW has not reprinted tzaangors since 2016, because, you know, they're tzaangors. So, the question is, exactly how MANY did they make back in 2016?

[@Admiralkirk95]

I'll be entirely honest I just wanted spearhead force for the jump pack units. But as a new player I had no idea the outriders were that bad of a model that they don't go together right. And the ATV is usable but it requires outriders for it's passive to work. Still, 15 jump intercessors and a jump captain. I needed that causemy army is a bit light on melee right now. Secondly, considering combat patrols. The space marines have effectively like five or six of them. Every box no matter the subfaction is using basic units that not sub faction exclusive. Not a single one has jet pack intercessors. I get the idea of giving a box that gives a bunch and a captain for that very reason. The outriders and atv feel like a sort 'just throw it in, we need to expand the box a bit to make it look comparable. I think it's a decent box for newbies if you're looking for some melee. But it's clearly the worst of the boxes, and is thankfully the cheapest. And thast's totally fine since Space mariens gets like 50% of the support and shelf space compared to other factions. FInally You were saying Spearhead is like 320 american. I got it for 250 Canadian. So I'll consider it a steal.

[@Daemonik]

Before the pricing came out, i was considering the Marine box. Next force is planned to be Raven Guard, so all those Jumpers would have made a good core. Unfortunately, the box is £140, and the contents excluding the Outriders and Invader come to significantly less than that when bought from a 3rd party store. So, nope. No interest in any other force in the boxes. Potentially might have been for a T'au one, but no such luck. Not that anyone had any stock 15 minutes after pre-order started anyway!

[@Fisthammet]

Flicking through old white dwarfs and catalogues is seriously depressing; battle for skull pass was £50 and had over 100 models in it, now the battle boxes are about 2× or 3× more expensive than back in 2006, and you only get about 30-40 models. I get nearly 2 decades is a long time, but god damn, have they lost the plot.

[@Brickfrog427]

_> I actually like the Space Marine box. If I had a huge amount of money lying around I would get it for Christmas. I've just finished putting together that ancient kit with the motorcycle sidecar gunner and kind of fell in love with it and how goofy it is. I fully accept the Invader ATV as the true spiritual successor. I only ever got three of the Outrider bikes. The jump pack dudes and captain look pretty neato and I don't have any jump pack marines at all.

[@falsehero2001]

Space Marines would have been better served being Blood Angel themed. They never got a box during NOT Space Marine mid edition refresh. Dante, the Jump Captain, 10 Jump Intercessors, 6 Inceptors, and 2 Blood Angel upgrade sprues would have been a better value than the bikes and Mario kart.