STONEHENGE & WAUN MAWN - Breaking down the Bluestones | Prehistory Guys PODCAST March 2021

[@mkrmkr3805]

Chuffed to bits that I stumbled on your channel. Like two skool boys gone rogue because they know their shit. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 🙏

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

"Like two skool boys gone rogue because they know their shit". Yep - we'll take that!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@philpaine3068]

In Canada, at pow-wows, a long-time favourite is the "jingle dance", a women's healing dance, for which a special dresses are made. The dresses are sewn up with anything that can make a sound. Dentalium seashells, bits of metal, whatever. The dance is said to have originated in northwestern Ontario, inspired by a dream. It is now danced by women at pow-wows throughout Canada and much of the U.S. The dresses are beautiful, and the sound is loud enough to match the drums. The elk teeth may have performed a similar function.

[@janetmackinnon3411]

..."The gloss of certainty which was painted over this whole question"...what felicity of language!

[@JoellenFowler]

I've been recently looking at Whymarks' work for my dissertation in Archaeology and I would absolutely love to see him being interviewed!

[@cork..]

Rupert's "smooth fm" podcast voice is my favourite

[@beaatpeace2490]

This was brilliant lol Tyvm for the info And laughs. Happy you pointed out the media sometimes exaggerates archaeology info. Frustrating to see a story: "Neolithic child, Mary, & her spotted pup found!" when all the archaeologist said was, "found: child's skull & dogtooth" 🤣😂 (Took a page out of the media's book with that example 😁)

[@JimBagby74]

Its exciting to be paying attention while these questions are considered.

[@Kipple]

Always a joy listening to you both. Cheers. 🙂

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Thank you kindly!

[@louisbaldwin7097]

remember there was a blue stone found under an earlier long barrow on the salisbury plain

[@ruthcherry3177]

Thanks again for bringing clarity after the press, or in fact the BBC, muddied the waters yet again in search of a sensational story. You keep digging, so we don't have to! 👏👏👏

[@dafyddleethomas8742]

Hi Prehistory Guys, I just have a little suggestion/idea to throw in to the "origin of Stonehenge" hypothesis. I heard a long time ago that bluestone has acoustic properties (sorry, too long ago to remember any references). So I ask: Is the bluestone circle and horseshoe at Stonehenge a giant xylophone/glockenspiel? This could explain why so much effort was made to transport particular megaliths such distances. It would also explain why such efforts were made to bring the stones from specific, other existing circles. It could also explain the different types of bluestone (different acoustic pitch properties). It could also explain why the bluestone were rearranged several times and the sarsens could be seen as an acoustic echo chamber. I recommend that a qualified team attend Stonehenge with croquet mallets and chromatic tuners to carry out an experiment to ascertain whether the bluestone have different pitch properties according to an existing or obsolete musical scale. As an engineer, musician and well traveled, free thinker this came to me as a combination of intuition, inspiration, acumen, insight and formulation of lateral knowledge, experience and wisdom. Sincerely, Dafydd Thomas.

[@nellspencer6417]

There was a programme on tv recently, presented by Megan Fox, (NOT on the BBC), where she investigated the sound qualities of the (I think) blue stones. The professors were sceptical and very surprised when it was discovered that the pitch, tone etc of the stone was beneficial to healing.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Check this out Dafydd phys.org/news/2020-09-uncovering-acoustical-properties-stonehenge.html

[@dafyddleethomas8742]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Great comeback. Now these folks need to do follow up investigations to find out whether the stones themselves were the instrument.

[@sallyreno6296]

Y'all are great!

[@inkerlot]

Thank you

[@Tipi_Dan]

Momentous stuff.

[@neilwiseman6129]

Just tumbled across this channel, and may I say it's well worth the time. Nice to know someone is looking at these things with a level head. I don't know which of you is on the right, but I'm loving the Mike Pitts shirt! I've lots to say about Stonehenge in general and the Bluestone Trek from Wales specifically, but I will save it for another time. Cheers!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@nancythomas-wardm.b.a2993]

Just discovered you..thx guys best night since the lockdown...Welsh up a big mountain (with vapours) in Turkey...new sub

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Michael here. That's great to hear Nancy. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊

[@Archangelm127]

Digging the new camera setup etc, guys. I always learn so much from you.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@bozo5632]

Waun Mawn was the showroom for a henge shop.

[@charlesoberdorf8478]

I was just going to say it may have been a storage area of a sort...

[@abisu5273]

Yes, with some stones selected from other sites around. Not to mention other stones collected en route.

[@stoneagesteve5395]

very enjoyable thankyou :)

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Kameleonline]

Hello Gents, on the Bluestones topic, it seems to me that - like any factory outlet, the quarry folk up in Wales were in need of a bit of a showroom. Lots of customers dropping into the area, all after some quality bluestone. So they set up a circle at Waun Mawn to show off the merch. It's been knocked up by the lads from the workshop, so it's a bit rough and ready, but it shows off the range nicely. Looks like the buyers from Wiltshire liked what they saw, but wanted a mix of some fresh stuff from the 'spotted rock' quarry, some other choice-cuts from the rhinestone (sp?) and unspotted quarries - and then (not normally allowed!), they insisted on picking out a few from the 'just for show, not for sale' mock-up in the Waun Mawn showroom. Including the one in hole 91. Special exception made for the Wiltshire crew, perhaps the Welsh boys' best ever customers? Jobs-a-good-un, stick 'em in the back of the van, and off down the A40 we go.... Hence why we have a nice range of different types of bluestone at Stonehenge, not all one kind. Agree?

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Reckon you've nailed it 😂 🤣 😂

[@lesleygrain2120]

Standing on the Preseli Hills many moons ago (probably 40 years) with the quarry behind us looking down at the stone circle just below we had exactly the same thought. Standing up there you are also aware of how close the sea is making you wonder is the stones were transported by water. I remember a tv program some time ago exploring this possibility. A bit of experimental archaeology which failed when the stone they were transporting sank in Milford Haven but that this led to the discovery of other stones lying in the mud of the Haven. Does Mr Parker Pierson’s paper discuss any other routes to Stonehenge other than overland?

[@ruthcherry3177]

This idea sounds just like the ones, the very much dearly missed, Terry Pratchett used to come up with... love it, because even if it isn't true, it could well be. 🤔 Nobody knows. I wish he were here to write it; I'm sure Detritus and Lias Bluestone, maybe even Breccia would have starred. 🧡😢

[@samb3513]

Yay! You sent Rupert a proper camera!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Well not really, Canon finally released software to run my camera as a webcam. Doesn’t work very well though, so I’ve bought a capture card to run it through hdmi. It’s still not ideal because it’s a big camera and I can’t look at you at the same time as looking at my screen - hey ho, it’s improving in stages. R

[@samb3513]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys It is indeed! I have been loving the content since discovering Standing With Stones a few weeks ago, and am already looking forward to visiting sites as soon as travel is back on the menu (holidayed in Wales every year as a kid and never once saw any of these places!) Thank you both for the excellent content!

[@treering8228]

Opium and cannabis, bet they were feeling pretty damn good. Thanks guys, this was fun, once again.

[@MrGerryodonothing]

The number of stones in any circle, or circle complex e.g. Kealkill is exact as the number is responsible for the exact alignment of the circle. A special case is Grainseach where one stone is split in two and counts as one, or two or one and it's other half, (one and a half) in order to show a special number when 360 degrees is applied to it; very clever stuff, as there is no such thing as half a stone.

[@grinninggoat5369]

Just for anyone who wondered about it... Aside from the specific burial site using teeth from up to 9 Elk on 1 female's adornment. Assuming all the teeth of an elk had a purpose and were used and, maybe about 3,500 teeth out of 4,000 total recovered were elk teeth, that is about 150 elk known to be utilized over the period people in that area were enamored with Elk tooth "bling". It would be nice if a large sampling were dated and the estimated population over that time. Would maybe help determine of everyone used Elk teeth or just certain members of the society based on the prevalence of elk teeth and population. An estimated 150 to 500 elk ised fpr teeth bling over a long period of time doesn't seem like everyone was using them to bespangle themselves with many teeth per person. Maybe the teeth accumulated in a family or by an individual over time and was passed down if not all teeth foimd in 1 burial were dated a hundred or more years apart.

[@deormanrobey892]

Barrels of beer near funerary sites? The mythical Irish - Egyptian connection rears it's head. 🤪

[@ashleyKennedy5]

Beer was used as a food. Modern use of beer to get pissed wasn't the main reason beer was brewed by ancient societies. Bread and beer were used to feed on.

[@bozo5632]

In ancient times people went to the pub for ritual consumption. In modern times we have quarantine.

[@ggrindle1868]

Awesome, love the content! Thanks

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

Hi guys...for the upcoming q & a.....do you think the (apparent) correlation between Thornborough, Orions Belt and the Giza pyramids is a) bullshit b)coincidence or c)evidence of a cultural connection deeper than we know of or d) none of the above best wishes and take care

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hia Jimmy! Could you repost here? kzbin.info/door/iqJJdLFUaWLpTeuNmmJTXAcommunity?lb=UgyrFNhoh4DPePaPLoN4AaABCQ

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys I've got early on sets parkinsons twitchy as eff...takes me ages on me phone you sadists! Lol best wishes and take care

[@StonedustandStardust]

You gentlemen give me the VApoors......Great vlog.

[@louisbaldwin7097]

it seems to me when you look large circles there are normally other circles in the complex , so probably theres another welsh blue stone circle near waun mawn to be found ,

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

That's right. There are at least five circles or remains of circles in the vicinity of the Preseli quarries that probably need further investigation. Tim Darvill has already reported on this. Michael 😊

[@louisbaldwin7097]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys are they blue stone circles ? the ones to the south of the preselis are not

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

@@louisbaldwin7097 I'm not clear on that. Tim Darvill reports that at least the two remaining stones of Meini Gwyr are bluestones I believe though. M.

[@louisbaldwin7097]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys i remember reading aubry burl saying they werent blue stones but another volcanic rock , but if darvil has done the most recent work and says they are i stand correct , cheers for reply michael .p.s. love the show

[@DavidPowell-xn9ys]

i am welsh and believe the stone circles represent bloodlines of ancestors in their own community of the circle, each stone a bloodline being lifted at a solstice in a ritual to add to the remains of the bloodline. I think the stones were moved because bloodlines expanded and the permanence of the bones in the chalk.

[@louisemason2918]

"i did not miss anything with dung" i freakin love you two

[@pesticle98661]

Considering the incredible revelations coming from the Electric Universe plasma sciences, we have a clue hinting at an electrical environment much different than today's. How the heavy weights involved can not be answered by today's standards, let us consider these stone configurations actually organized the magnetic fields in ways we can not imagine. Consider a time when these forces may have been manageably balanced and our environment today is actually a broken version, short circuited, as random lightning strikes now display. In view of utterly no inkling of possible causality exist and the incredible reach of our imagination, I challenge myself to consider the slightest hint of explanation. After a few years now, I find this pursuit continues to solidify.

[@abisu5273]

I haven't seen the BBC programme so thanks very much for this. Really interesting but boy have you sent me down a rabbit hole for a few days playing catch up.. What really interests me now is.....Were the stones moved collaboratively or by slave power? It could have been either. Good to get the old brain ticking over.and the imagination oiled.

[@SuperRobinjames]

using the dung to lower the burning temperature may be the same as the modern use of cannabis vapourisers, which is to vapourise the psychoactive chemicals (available at lower temps) without burning and producing more toxic, carcinogenic, tar laden smoke.

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

39:50 sound like they got the right idea o me! Lol best wishes and take care

[@Uk5haky]

I plead the 5th (but I’ve never smoked dung)😂😂😂 classic.

[@grinninggoat5369]

Greek review of a Scythian vapor bath: "Their bath's smoke vapors are outstanding and the complimentary cookies left by the fire leave you very happy and mellow but, for some reason they make you so hungry you can't stop eating them even though they taste like dung."

[@stevorobo7455]

You swapped sides, don't do that again 😝😂😂😂

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

It's far too much fun messin' with folks heads! 🤣

[@stevorobo7455]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@amberann1229]

🤣

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

34:58 love your imagination Rupert!

[@chrisdavis7617]

Could someone answer a couple questions for me. I'm hearing impaired and there is no CC yet, takes days sometimes. I want to hit the next ? & Answer session. When and what time will it broadcast. Thank you in advance.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi Chris, it's next week, Tuesday 9th March at 8.00pm UK time. Be sure to say hi in the comments if you join us!

[@chrisdavis7617]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Thank you so much. I'm an arrowhead hunter from Ohio. Lots of Mounds around here. I hunt the plowed corn fields. I found you guys because I have DNA hits for myself from some of the places you have been. The Orkney Isle was my search

[@nickhewitt1402]

You forgot to mention the Griswold family visit.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

😂😂 I'd never seen that!! Thank you - Michael

[@graemerigg4029]

You would need that amount of beer to convince a group of people that it was a good idea to pile a heap of stones into a point.

[@bozo5632]

Talk about hotboxing, oo-whee.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

So, they got some more stone for the bigger house they were building, adding it to some known and loved ones? How many Abbies met the same fate in Tudor times - its claimed the people just grabbed the stone from greed, the powerful mainly - why are so many bits of destroyed religious buildings scattered thru many villages nearby - are the seeking the power of the stones "spirit" not just cheap building materials? We are so far from the times where physical items were seen as containing spirit....hang on, how many "relics" - glass of piggies bones to quite Chaucer - are still venerated? All lovely speculation and what ifs - love it - guess thats why Im not listening to a podcast by The Maths Guys - actually this is more pre Math, nothing had yet been codified, do you fancy adding The Pre Math Guys as some of search tag?? - certainty is well dull. I doubt very much the why will ever be decypherable, but the when should get more accurate as tech improves. Love it, etc keep up ye good work etc, by the way, you're on the wrong side of the bloody picture, Im having to watch this in the mirror

[@bozo5632]

IDK... The Neandertals survived a dozen polar shifts before that one.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hi Bo, Rupert here. Yes, maybe not a dozen but that is a valid point. It could be that a combined set of circumstances made this event somehow different. I guess the point about this particular flip is that they have correlated findings from around the world. Who knows, maybe it was no more then another thorn in the Neanderthal side.

[@itarry4]

The BBC History at the end of the day is pop culture history. They have to be factual but also have to entertain. They will obviously stretch points when it makes a better story rather than sticking with the actual 100% truth. While they probably won't put right lie to the audience they will happily omit facts or loosely use facts to tell a far more interesting story. I've no real problem with it as if you actually want the real facts then you should do the reading and research what was found yourself anyway and a more interesting story will attract more people and give them some amount of interest in a subject they might otherwise ignore or not bother with. Its why shows like this and others who use a much more direct "here's the information connect it yourself" approach than the "here a whole complete story" model the BBC needs to use. If they gave facts without the "hook" or the story, conclusions and all then most of the people who watch their history stuff would tune out. Most people who aren't completely in it for the history and are invested in the story at least as much, which most of a BBC history audiences is want the whole thing, they expect a neat package they can understand and consume. At least they are watching and learning history even if it's not the total honest factual truth but a rounded "story". The story is the thing not just the hi-story.

[@bozo5632]

It only takes a few seconds to give a false impression that will last a lifetime.

[@itarry4]

@@bozo5632 unfortunately yes but I still think at least having an impression and so an interest has a value. It doesn't harm those who are only interested at a base story level and has the opportunity to attract some who will get a genuine interest and then dig for more reliable and educational sources themselves. If it even creates interest in one person who then takes it further and develops a real interest then to me that's a positive.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

Without the Beeb Slant kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3aphX2seJmlaqM its part of series of new Archeological developments in Wales, not aimed at bigging up rating, it is more tenatative, less dogmatic and certain.Most of the rest of the series is in Welsh, but there are subtitles

[@abisu5273]

@@Cheeseatingjunglista thanks for that. Very clear and asking the same questions that I want to ask. Particularly the Why.

[@abisu5273]

@@CheeseatingjunglistaI'm guessing you already know this.but it's worth catching the Q+A session also. Mike is at 2h17m.

[@samb3513]

Why must it always be rituals! Perhaps they just liked beer? I do really appreciate that you guys approach these sometimes dogmatic appraches with a bit of healthy scepticism.

[@bokhans]

Elk? Isn’t it moose? Moose is älg in some languages like Swedish.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Relocated from Wales to England? Maybe, possibly OR a second site in its own right and destroyed by either the Romans, Vikings or the English.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

They all arrived millennia latter - as the English didnt bother destroying Stonehenge, why would they march into Wales to destroy a smaller version? Put Michael Parker Pearson into the Youtbe search box, you'll get the detail from him, he ran the dig and analysis team

[@bozo5632]

It could have been destroyed by a farmer - it wouldn't have to be a Roman policy decision. Or the Welsh one might have been moved to somewhere else that isn't Stonehenge. Or the Welsh rented the Stonehenge stones for a wedding and returned them to Wiltshire.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

PS: When the English took Wales, English Kings built many castles in Wales to maintain power stones from this Henge could have been used to build those castles. The English Kings would not have made notations as to where the stone came from.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 England and the English do not exist till the late 7th./early 8th c - modern times really. This is referring to 3,000+ bc - so, it cant be ANY of the goups you mention, the whole notion of the Nation state as we know it some 4000 years after they were dead. Yes you have crushed by the English, I mean accepting the name Wales, form the Anglo Saxon Walhaz or Wallash menaing foreigner is proof positive on the depth of control/contempt. My family were Pictish by decent -we used to share a common tongue mate - I have no reaon to care for the English. Be proud, you are Cymru, older and so very much better than them, you need no fantasy history to prove it

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

@@bozo5632 Or you might just be talking thru yer arse - I know which seems most likely

[@robedwards5709]

Alas that’s the BBC these days. They take one line and won’t accept any alternatives

[@HeatherMyfanwyTylerGreey]

What about Druids donating stones from their henges to contribute to Stonehenge. Sorry l pre-empted you.

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

By the way the juxtaposition of Michael to the right and Rupert to the left is highly distressing! Lil

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Normal service will be resumed ... 😊

[@HerreNeas]

Iree, distressing

[@kc3718]

the welsh stone henge theory has been kicking about for over 30 years....i heard of it whilst an undergrad at the begiining of the 90's. Finding a theory and trying to make it fit some shaky evidence seems a bit tabloid,

[@stumccabe]

Start buying shares in sun screen companies to make a fortune when the magnetic flip happens.

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

19:59 sorry guys but you must know they're called blue stones because when you wet them they turn blue? Come on!

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

Hello Jimmy, Rupert here. We'll concede that that is possibly the best explanation for the name, but they don't turn blue do they? At best some of them turn a slightly more bluey grey than an average granite. It's hardy Lapis:)

[@jimmyviaductophilelawley5587]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys yeah you've got to break then first to get true blue wet effect. .can't remember where I saw it (sorry! ) some documentary or other but the effect is unmistakable! Best wishes and take care

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

Again attacking a strawman argument. The paper never claimed an entire circle was moved. And here we are again pretending like it did, then debunking it. MPP's paper is clear on this topic: only evidence for one stone having been moved from Waun Mawn to Stonehenge. Other stones from other sites may have been moved but this requires further research.

[@ThePrehistoryGuys]

How many times .... of course the paper doesn't make the claim. The programme however does imply it and that's the story the media have run with . Where have you got it in your mind we're attacking MPP? Talk about setting up a strawman!

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

@@ThePrehistoryGuys Yeah where on earth would I get this idea? Maybe it's the way you guys express yourself. You simply could have stated "the paper never makes the claim - contrary to the documentary - an entire circle was moved, but in contrast only speaks about one specific stone". In your recording you never bother making this distinction like you're doing now in the comments. PS: I'm not defending MPP that's where you get it wrong, I'm defending the thesis in his paper. This is not personal, merely intellectual.

[@llwyde1104]

Please at least attempt correct Cymraeg/Welsh pronunciation...it spoiled an excellent listen. Even a cursory glance at a guide would help you. Or ask somebody..what would you do in France or anywhere else in the world. We've lived alongside you for about 1500 years now so there really is NO excuse.

[@andrewwhelan7311]

What do you make of the human remains found under the stone holes in stone henge originating in this area of wales? New research suggests that the people who pre dated the Egyptians civilization had very similar 'mini Stonehenge ' type calendar oriented megalithic techniques in Egypt? In the ancient British tradition, it is claimed that the Cymru originated in the area of Egypt/ Syria and got to this island during the early migrations. Same megalithic ideas / same dna as the pharaohs and cymric language having the same root meaning as the ancient tongue. See Cymroglyphics by Ross Broadstock on u tube. Yes the only language that can be used to decipher hieroglyphs is the language of the Cymru / Cimerians. They were not celts at all. Of course, being native British history, all this is regarded as myth and legends. However, I think ancient British history needs a new and fresh approach because it appears to be increasingly evident that this history has been airbrushed and deleted from the record. By the way, love your style and delivery. Very entertaining. Heddwch / Peace in the ancient tongue.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

Could not disagree more, but really it would need hours to point out even the logical fallacies in it, the underlying assumption of a weird Welsh "Chosen People"is more a religious/cult madness that is never effective by gainsaid by any facts - witness the continued, Aliens did it, nonsense

[@cysgodycastell]

This is not a great job of breaking down the archaelogical nonsense presented in this programme. You will be aware that every aspect of this programme is debunked intelligently elsewhere. I live in the Preseli Hills (and putting aside the poor pronounciation of the place names), I am struggling with your repeated references to the bluestone quarries, the evidence, at best, for any quarrying (other than for local buildings, burial mounds and walls) of these stones is sketchy. The quarrying ideas and general acceptance of human transportation of stones from west Wales to Wiltshire by MPP and his team is poorly evidenced and always has been. I know these sites well, visited the digs, went to the talks at Castell Henllys and always thought that this was a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. MPP preaches to the converted and is such a lofty archaeologist that the commonly held view of the masses is that he must be right and be beyond criticism. It is my view that MPP's work is a classic case of confirmation bias, he has been committed to his theory for a long time and shoehorned what little evidence he has to fit in to his beliefs. You give MPP far too much credit and respect for this crackpot theory. You are right in suggesting that the stones originated in West Wales but there are other far more pertinent theories on how the stones went east that you simply ignored. To believe that they were erected in a grand circle at Waun Mawn, quietly biding there time for hundreds of years prior to being dragged to Salisbury Plain is pure lunacy. (PS. My understanding of those strontium tests was that the results concluded that they could have come from elsewhere in the British Isles, including Scotland, not just West Wales).

[@stevorobo7455]

Here, I'll give you some of my Scottish local place names to pronounce and see how you get on 🙄 While he may have not have got them spot on, he gave it a great go and for that he deserves 10/10 as most other programs would label them site 1-4 👊 As for the rest of your comment, because you live there and went to the digs doesn't give your opinion any more purchase than anyone else's.

[@Cheeseatingjunglista]

Are you suggesting Scotland as likely source? We have no way of knowing the stones Totemic value, peoples all over the world have carried their Totems with them when they moved. The Totem power of Stones is still acting, a specific stone was taken from Scotland where its claim to fame was having had a lot of different Kings arses on it - carried off to London, so that a differnet line of KIngs could set their arses on it - Stone of Destiny, still moving back and forth. I doubt MPP is entirely right but think he is probably the right territory, as for lunacy, your complete dismissal is closer to such a state

[@stevorobo7455]

@@Cheeseatingjunglista 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant 👌

[@itarry4]

@@Cheeseatingjunglista he was commenting on the fact you were unimpressed with their attempts to pronounce Welsh names, despite a decent attempt at it considering where they come from. Then he points out standing next to someone doing something doesn't make you an expert.... Not sure where the totem stuff came from. Maybe standing around watching people in the cold has had an effect. Also they actually say that the theory that the stones were used in a stone circle in Wales for any length of time before being moved was far from proven. You've made it sound as though they were agreeing with the BBC film when they were doing the total opposite. They made their points well and were easy to understand but you appear to have missed this because you think you know more so didn't actually take in what they said. Other than "humans" transporting them how exactly do you think the stones were moved as this fact is a well known fact. Not that they were used anywhere first but they definitely come from Wales and were definitely moved. So how are you suggesting this was done if not by humans?

[@michaeldarby3503]

I dont believe there is a Welsh language, I think they just string a heap of constanants together to confuse we English.