Science & politics of 4500 yr old Rakhigarhi woman’s DNA & why it’s politically divisive | ep 266

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In episode 266 of Cut The Clutter, Shekhar Gupta separates fact from fiction, science from politics of the findings from a Harappan skeleton’s genome
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[@jaydipmajumdar7716]

I on the other hand would request to ban this channel as it’s spreading quite bad views about the Indians.

[@adityalocopilotecorly6111]

1. INDUS VALLEY PEOPLE ARE VEDIC PEOPLES ( PASHUPATI SEALS, SWASTIKAS) AND WERE TRUE INDIANS 2. INDIAN PEOPLES MIGRATED TO CENTRAL ASIA

[@navintiwari112]

6:46 Vasant Shinde confirmed OIT, but Gupta jee through his "Nehruvian scientific temper" negated the scientist himself and proclaimed: "Reading the study I don't see the evidence that makes him take that leap of faith." Thanks Gupta ji to clarify that you know about the findings of paper better than the author, Vasant Shinde himself...

[@OmSharma_TGG]

Worst media platform ever....always against Hindus

[@TruthSeeker69921]

Whatever in sanskrit is aryan's making.. they were invaders with horses came to north india.. they created sanskrit, vedic system, caste system by making themselves as brahmins of the highest hierarchy.. the true indigenous ppl are the dravidians(tamils) likely originated from harappa civilisation at the lost river of sarawathy.. there is even an ancient tamil city of Harappa in pakistan.. u guys can google and see.. but indian government is covering up because mostly are aryans and they will nvr acknowledge tamil as the oldest spoken language in the world.. soon links to indus pictograph are being decrypted using spoken Tamil.. incredible breakthrough.. that would bring back glory to Tamils whom were suppressed by the aryans for centuries till today.. so dont believe onto whatever the aryans made.. they are the crook brahmins plundered india's wealth and followed by british.. the original proto-shiva seal found in harappa civilisation in a meditative state can be directly linked to south india... incredibly the harappa civilisation emphasised on drainage system, fertility, equility, animal rights, self and social well being plus also meditation.. all these with emphasise to water can be seen in our Tamil culture.. the aryan's are from mesopotamian blood where they believed in gods, kings, pyramids, zigurats, temples, hierarchy totally different from harappa civilisation where there was not even weapons or war.. that is the ultimate shiva's teaching brought over by the dravidians to south india.. aryan mixed and destroyed most of the authentic Tamil teachings.. by right dravidians dont even pray during their civilisation, they only meditate because they have already came to realisation thousands of years ago.. om namah shivaya

[@dharamveerpradhan5683]

This woman is so lucky to have her DNA discussed after 5000 years on youtube on the internet...!!!

[@OmSharma_TGG]

...and this Truth has pissed the left wing media. Now they have nothing to sell to the Muslims. Satyameva Jayate !

[@Vivek-ib9st]

We are lucky that we were able to extract her DNA.

[@bharati6]

This comment lightened up the whole discussion to another level. 😂

[@disprofundis3477]

Woman be like: To mai kya karun?

[@langietor]

her name was Trjhana

[@coolbuddyshivam]

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." - Hegel

[@BirdiePariRicoFriends]

Well said.

[@extraterrestrial46]

Still Indians mostly hang on to it to justify themselves and to produce their beliefs.

[@maskyb3509]

@@extraterrestrial46 says in your name .

[@jaidevtyagi1033]

That brilliant turd's work is very complex. I'd like to say you cannot learn from Hegel because he wrote terrible/complex/weird stuff.

[@sujayaiyer2090]

@@extraterrestrial46 Yes. Humans have to progress and hillbillies from all nations need to grow up and increase the grey matter in their brain.

[@jaidevtyagi1033]

Why are people forgetting everyone came from Africa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nakshatra1402]

@@abhisheksainani You might wanna know about Mesopotamia. Came before indus valley and existed a lot longer. It doesn't exist now. Neither does harappan.

[@sidharthsuresh207]

@@abhisheksainani Egyptian Civilization: hold my beer

[@abhisheksainani]

@@sidharthsuresh207 not as old as Indus valley civilization

[@sidharthsuresh207]

@@abhisheksainani proof?

[@abhisheksainani]

@@sidharthsuresh207 Wikipedia.

[@rohitkalra3988]

Still looking for comments from 'eminent' historians like Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib.

[@samcum77]

Hahaha ..nice comment.

[@rohitkalra3988]

@@samcum77 Now, SC has refused to admit Irfan Habib's research on Babri masjid as evidence. To think that these guys were portrayed as leading historians and intellectuals by our media.

[@samcum77]

@@rohitkalra3988 both Irfan habib and Romila Thapar are bluff masters..of history

[@anandkh3612]

🤣🤣

[@junglebook1837]

Kal hi boli madam k Ashok Mahabharata se pehle the.. pagla gyi hai

[@omchadha5549]

Decluttering ends when Mr. Gupta says " its all about kon kiska baap tha".😂😂😂

[@deeproychoudhury6679]

Hell yeah. Love Shekhar Gupta and his honest analysis of the different types of madness that happens on both sides of the political spectrum. God bless you Shekhar ji for being so neutral.

[@criticalthinker7165]

@@deeproychoudhury6679 - what crap.. analysis has to be based on factual data, not somebodies wishful thinking like what this joker is doing? He is not even authorized or competent to do such an analysis.

[@criticalthinker7165]

@Abhijit Sanyal - guys like shekar are paid by political org (NGO) to create a narrative out of thin air.. they think they are still leaving in the legacy days of british raj/emergency rule.

[@fatehdharmender3495]

@@criticalthinker7165 well said bro 👍🏽👍🏿😍

[@fatehdharmender3495]

@@criticalthinker7165 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏾👍🏻

[@jayaramanganapathi9385]

I actually laughed at Shekar when he said the lady was a haryanavi.

[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@jayaramanganapathi9385]

@@babla69420 thank you for the details.

[@nitishnayak1005]

@@jayaramanganapathi9385 there in no separate Ariyan ideology lol

[@sekumar123]

@@babla69420 Read the book The Horse, the Wheel, and Language How Bronze-Age Riders From the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World (David W. Anthony)

[@sekumar123]

@@jayaramanganapathi9385 Read this .. available on net: The Horse, the Wheel, and Language How Bronze-Age Riders From the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World (David W. Anthony)

[@subhrangshupratimsarmah3962]

History has always been a political tool. Can't escape it.

[@abhishekphand4789]

Yes. But it was best used by left. First to use it effectively was Romans.

[@sumitkumawat8996]

We can, if enough people are aware.

[@lateshpatil5307]

@@abhishekphand4789 well since 753 BCE to be exact

[@sakshampandey7342]

@@abhishekphand4789 what? The Romans were leftists? The same Romans who created an Empire and proliferated a world religion? That sounds like a very anti-left thing to do.

[@abhishekphand4789]

@@sakshampandey7342 when did I say Romans were leftists? I said Romans used history as a political tool which is accurate. They showed themselves as higher than others, their leaders as the best. The has written history in a way to glorify their deeds and colonisation

[@MetaGPT]

He is not able to hide his frustration . Seems as if these people will permanently loose control of India.

[@niranjanbaburaopatil]

Right

[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@namanshrivastava2814]

@@babla69420 hey brother i think you need to do research and if you really believe that dravidians lived in harappan civilisation and aryans came from somewhere out of indian subcontinent to the indian subcontinent then please do watch this fully. most probably you know you are wrong and hence you will not watch this fully.' kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoWTZqVui6tmbMk

[@fab8187]

@@babla69420 n word 😠😠😠

[@gazibizi9504]

@@namanshrivastava2814 Dravidians also came from outside. Zagrosian farmers from South Iran are Dravidians.

[@sajanraghavan]

"One woman who died 4500 year's ago. We don't know what her name was ..,,😂"

[@mohawkadi375]

Sajan Nair ye bus Gupta Jee Bol sakte hain 😂

[@CAAnmoldeepsingh]

I laughed pretty hard at that line 😂😂

[@satheeshkumar8251]

Her name was Dravidian

[@mgsa5722]

Rss will surely name her pragya thakur

[@Akon1998hell]

@@satheeshkumar8251 naah trust me her name was Arya

[@ticklingtick9292]

That womens name was "Rajneeti" .😂

[@sonis.8491]

😂😂😂.. By the way, hi from tropic of capricorn🙌✋

[@AgniveshArya]

What is Aryan ???

[@suhanapandey1778]

Tropic of Gemini proto history par bhi rajneeti !

[@adityaranaadityarana7833]

@@AgniveshArya A person with good habits ~according to vedas and tripitaks

[@nandaveerum4399]

@@adityaranaadityarana7833 Buddhist tripitakas?

[@ticklingtick9292]

And she used to dance on "teri aankhyo ka yo kajal" ...🤣🤣

[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@adarsharao]

His disappointment was evident.. he was one of those who kept propagating lies for so many decades...

[@deepjyotibhattacharjee4582]

She is a haryanvi 😂🤣 Good point though.

[@samarjk107]

@Pravinkumar Shetty who cares

[@papastalin1543]

@Pravinkumar Shetty who cares

[@scientificatheist9381]

Majority of Indians or indegenious untouchables do care.

[@siddharthsharma7836]

@@samarjk107Politicians do

[@siddharthsharma7836]

@msc14111990 Shekhar Gupta is from haryana. That's why he is so happy

[@ranjitmpawar]

Very succinct and clear explanation with more focus on explaining the research and concepts rather than the controversies! Good stuff!

[@Dekanalini]

I am amazed that Print took so long to discuss this very important information after so many months since the finding and the carbon dating.

[@avng1680]

Its Sad how our own people are not ready to accept n appreciate this Great outcome of research. Being an ayurveda student I feel This thing should be the most breaking news in India. But nobody cares

[@Lovely-zg3ob]

@Reeshi Tas 😅

[@nishasharma378]

​@Reeshi Tas FYI there are thousands of industries producing Ayurvedic commodities. And we don't need to put science against Ayurveda. It is used for complementing medical science. When COVID hit us, people who had low immunity were the most affected, Ayurveda and a healthy lifestyle were the key to improving people's immunity. Also Patanjali has put forward many peer reviewed research papers for their commodities. But those research papers are never shown by the media.

[@nishasharma378]

​@Reeshi Tas Patanjali is already doing scientific analysis of its products. I'm pretty sure if a thorough systematic long term scientific study is conducted, the benefits of Ayurveda would be well observed.

[@nishasharma378]

​@Reeshi Tas I dont want to endorse any brand or Patanjali as I myself find too much preservatives added to its products so I prefer taking from the natural sources themselves.

[@cyogian]

Keezhadi is on the way. 😂

[@NitinSharma-yo3xu]

Lol, it is already proved that There aws sanskrit and it(Indus valley) was a vedic civilisation due to finding of some coins and clay elephant which have been mentioned in brahman granth(6500 to 7000 years old) which is vast explanation of vedas and hawan kund as been found too and a inscription of a person in yoga posture has been found too it is said to be that he is Shiv.

[@vijayjosh5895]

@@NitinSharma-yo3xu Dreaming?

[@suhanapandey1778]

Nitin Sharma How did you determine the dates ?

[@suhanapandey1778]

Nitin Sharma Get a class 6 level history textbook

[@adwaitvedant3297]

@@suhanapandey1778 watch Brainwashed Republic episodes by neeraj atri..people who are talking about class 6 ncert books..I used to beleive the same thing like u..about what is written in the ncert..3 yrs back...Now I have studied various history books...I can confidently tell u...there was no aryan invasion..yes migrations have happened several times...there was no state boundary at that time before the formation of 16 mahajanapadas which became the first political states ...plz dont blindly beleive anything written on one book....history is not that linear that u guys feel...

[@vk4633]

Amazing ShekAr Sir, when you talk about history it is so fascinating for people like me.

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[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@MDYOUSUF-tl8sk]

Mudit Trivedi, an archaeologist and anthropologist, at the University of Chicago , has written an article on this topic, published on 15th Nov, in the Hindu newspaper.

[@MrApache160]

DNA don't play politics, we should agree scientific facts.

[@lateshpatil5307]

Hence everyone hates them. DMK party won't be happy.

[@nandhakumar9408]

amarnath says this dna tamil dravida civilization after one week sanskrit politics comes change aryan vedic civilization

[@user-jw8yk9ki1r]

L P lol asses haha only one excuse u say is we were brainwashed by Dmk .shit .its a clear excuse !lol Dmk is telgu .they will hide our history along with u .first of all I can’t realize u .ok in ur view let’s get outta of Dmk politics ,then what u want us to do ?accept sanskrti and vedhic while there is another culture better than sanskrti called tamil exist ,it’s a imposition .duh truth hurts

[@peterparker-pl8wt]

If you don't know means it's not fact? It's fact the north politics play big role with South. Do you know now in Tamil Nadu excervations in Keezhadi, the north ASI saying it's fake. Do you think it's fact. There are lot of people going to see that place. How can they say that? Watch NewsX channel about INV and KEEZHADI excavations and artifacts that were found both places 99 percent same. Get some knowledge before talking about history or archeological research.

[@aj9969]

DNA actually proves the foreign origin of Aryans.. the R1a1 haplotype originated in Europe and spread to India.

[@KunalPawar1620]

I've recently discovered this ThePrint and I love the way Shekar Gupta reports. I wish we had more people like him.

[@pradhyudh]

Studied bio in pu ,knows lot more about science than any politician, still very humble and allows juniors of much more lower experience to explain stuff

[@kentkagle3850]

You are a great and endearing reporter Your subjects are attention keeping.And your English make me smile. I tuly enjoy watching your very interesting video reports.Thx Kent of Tampa

[@siddharthsharma7836]

It's great that you favoured (directly or indirectly) a scientific point of view, given that the world is more pseudo scientific then ever. Keep the good work.

[@lateshpatil5307]

LoL he sided with science, he took more time talking on what's a steppe than explaining things.

[@VijayKumarIITSrExecutive]

Really appreciate the speaker's passion and effort. It's amazing how Rekhagarhi DNA findings have been politicized. Not surprised though since this is a sensitive topic for many Indians as well since many have their identity attached to greatness of noble Vedic culture and Aryan ancestry. A few questions that pop up in the mind: * If India's political boundary today also included all the ancient Vedic cultures (Europe, Iran etc) and was called "Bharata", would one still be trying to prove "Out of India" theory? * Why not have a "Out of Kishkinda" theory where forest dwellers of Kishikinda jungles moved northward and mixed with Indians living in the gangetic plain (sure they do have some common genes)? or an "Out of Mexico or Brazil" theory where European migration into Americas never happened but it was the reverse? * How does one account for the fact that Europeans and most other Indo-European speakers in West Asia DO NOT HAVE any (that is, zero or virtually zero) South Asian IVC-related admixture in their DNA? (IVC = Indus Valley)? Does it not clearly show the direction of migration? I think an Aryan "Migration" happened and not invasion - IVC was already on a decline when Aryans came to India. Sure there were some initial violent interactions between Aryans and early settlers people in IVC, but that was a norm between different tribes/races around the world at that time and shouldn't be judged by today's moral standards (Classic books such as Sapiens or Third Chimpanzee is a great read in this area). My admiration for "Maryada purushottam" Lord Rama or Vedas still stands tall despite Aryan migration. An example of invasion is what Putin is doing in Ukraine today which is totally immoral. I do understand there could be a political ramification of this where a certain section calls "descendants of these Aryan settlers" (read "upper castes") as "foreigners". Many fear this has the potential to divide India and I acknowledge that sentiment, however in today's connected globalized multicultural world, people of all cultures/castes/races are "melting", does it matter anymore? If one reads books such as Sapiens and The Third Chimpanzee, we would understand how homo sapiens around the world are all connected, and have continuously migrated & come together to bring about big changes in how we live since we were hunter gatherers. No ethnic group around the world can claim an “original” homeland anymore, including the aborigines in Andaman or in Papua New Guinea. People need to be educated about this and the one-ness of entire humanity and not fall into trap of "one group is more exclusive/superior than other". Ironically, isn't this what "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" is about which we Indians are so familiar with? We shouldn't judge history by today's moral standards. History should be accepted as it is without any shame - be it good or bad. Glory of our ancient past doesn't become any less, and I am still proud of our Aryan forefathers. In conclusion, I would like to say that choice of words do matter as it has the power to send subconscious messages when we hear them. The words "invasion / raiders / annihilators / barbarians" isn't the right one to use for reasons mentioned above - context and history should be taken into account as well. Historians have a moral responsibility to be sensitive to perceptions created by the words they use.

[@vivekra]

Shekhar Gupta contradicts his own tweet where he said "Aryan invasion theory gets a setback from DNA study of 2500 BC Rakhigarhi skeletons" Now he is taking a more nuanced stance. He should have at least mentioned why he changed his mind.

[@creamlayer]

UAPA

[@Vibing_sigma]

I want to know if anyone in India is left who does not have the R1A1 DNA and have the same DNA which is found in this women .

[@sureshs7972]

@@Vibing_sigma sss ppl of Lakshadweep and some tribes (irulargal) of thamizh naadu have same like dna the woman had.

[@sureshs7972]

It is true Aryan invade india

[@Vibing_sigma]

@@sureshs7972 I recently came to know that R1 is a Y male chromosome ,that is the reason this women does not have R1 .

[@shantanusapru]

When dealing with such issues/topics, it would be nice if you could (like most other news/newsy sites in the West) you could add a link/URL to the original scientific articles. In fact, I think it is high time Indian journalists started linking to their orig. sources (esp. if they're web/video/text sources & not just human sources), even in non-science related topics...!

[@digital945]

if they provide links how they can mold facts 😁 most of people just get information from cover and its business of these people to work undercover 😁🙏

[@shantanusapru]

@@digital945 😄👌

[@sadenb]

Strangely my comment is deleted by Print. It was a factual rebuttal to what Gupta said . So even Print is delving into this. So when you poke deep, you get to know who have what ideologies in mind . People who appear to have national interest in their minds are not so.

[@vishalcsharma]

Shekar Gupta, thank you so much for covering something which is not daily petty politics and which forces us to think in a different way. I am not sure if you would read my feedback, but please keep on publishing video articles like this once in a while. Thanks!

[@indirasawhney7301]

Arun Shourie has written a book named "Eminent Historians", wherein he brings to light the works of all these so called intellectuals who have been portrayed as heroes of India. Not even the famed Romila Thapar et al. have been able to provide answers to the arguments Arun Shourie makes. People must read such works to get a first hand information on such issues.

[@lateshpatil5307]

Now I know what I'm going to do for the next week

[@NelsonRajkamal]

Just say it's Tamil people DNA.

[@manikandan_ip]

@Nakshatra Star truth will hurts.

[@okthen.2235]

There is no genetic basis of aryan dravidian caste divide. The so called aryan r1a1 is found in the highest concentration in Toda tribes in Nilligri hills who are purely Dravidian in language in culture and next highest in Manipuri people who are sino-tibetian, both having more than that in punjabis. Leftists never report this? perhaps some political agenda ?

[@sarthakhambir9978]

Why does nobody talks about indo-greek empires and indo-persian empires the Kushans, the Hanas were greeks and persians who adapted indian culture and their empires stretched till delhi !! Maybe that's where the mixing happened

[@ananthpai3385]

The southern kingdom of pallava was supposed to have indo Persian roots. And another southern kingdom of nolambas had pallava roots...

[@shivamzr6339]

persians were a vedic clan named Parsua , and even their capital was called Parsuapur . Zoroaster's name was ZutraAstra which was a sanskrit name and the greeks called him Zoroaster.

[@rohitroll2119]

Scientific DNA study < leftist ideological (Cause they're liberal)

[@amanshukla8758]

@Msvks Indeed, and many "enlightened folks" mistake these Proto-Indo-European people to be Europeans, and so think them as somehow a part of "White Supremacy". This isn't leftist propaganda, this is a scientific discovery. In fact, the Proto-Indo-European people didn't even look much like modern day Europeans, as revealed by facial reconstruction through DNA sampling. Their features included dark (almost black) hair, dark (almost black) eyes, and fair skin (but not as fair as a modern day European). So how can these people say that Proto-Indo-European people were Europeans, when actually they lived in the Eastern regions of Steppe Grasslands. Actually Proto-Indo-European people were the common ancestors of Greeks, Indo-Aryans, Persians, Romans and Turkic & Steppe cultures. But that's not to say that they didn't intermix with the local populations. In fact, there is more than enough evidence that this intermixing was very heavy. This also suggests that the Indo-Aryans had, most probably, Migrated to India, and NOT invaded India. Now these facts are true because of a number of reasons. First there is the archaeological evidence. There is 0 archaeological evidence that Indus Valley People had any chariots. But there is huge archaeological evidence that Proto-Indo-European people had chariots. In fact, if you look at any ancient region during the start of Iron Age. where there were any kind of invasion or migrations, you'll find that the natives never had chariots, but these invaders or migrators did, which further proves the point that chariots were introduced in India by Indo-Aryans which were not native to the subcontinent. Also there is 0 archaelogical evidence that Indus Valley People had discovered Iron, but yet again there is huge archaelogical evidence that Indo-Aryan people had discovered Iron and so they used weapons made up of Iron, which coupled with the chariots, gave them a huge advantage against the natives. The second is the DNA ancestry. Most modern day Indians have a chromosome that is particular to people in the Middle East, Central Asia, North Africa and Eastern Europe. Similarly, they also have a chromosome that is particular to people in South Asia only. This is the biggest proof of intermixing of populations. The last and most important of all is linguistics. If you do a linguistic deconstruction and then reconstruction of Ancient Greek, Sanskrit, Ancient Latin, Old Persian and certain Dardic languages, then you'll find that most of them have similar sounding words, or have similar word roots. This all points towards one thing that all these languages had a common ancestor, and that language was the Proto-Indo-European language. Now why do we say that PIE is the mother of all Indo-European languages? Why isn't it the other way around? That's because archaelogical findings and carbon dating have shown that the Proto-Indo-European people had lived way before the people of Indus Valley actually created a civilisation, so obviously their language is much older. Now I don't know what more to say. I mean, if you look at a country as large as India, you have people who speak different languages, have different customs and traditions, and not just that, people living in even the same part of India can have very distinct facial features, be it skin colour, eyebrow ridges, lip width, nose width etc. So when there's already so diversity in our country (certainly more than most other countries), then why is it so hard for you to digest the fact that this diversity could very well be due to intermixing of native and foreign populations. It's not propaganda. It's a theory, and a plausible theory at that. To claim that Indians never intermixed with foreign migrators, remained isolated for thousands of years, and yet somehow have one of the most diverse population in the world right now, is bonkers to say the least. There was most probably a significant foreign migration into India towards the end of Bronze Age. And that's not even a crazy argument, since human populations have a knack of travellingnfrom one place to another, and for intermixing with other populations, more than you can even imagine. As regards to this being "White supremacist propaganda", then no. Sorry, but it isn't propaganda. It's an on going research, which as of now, strongly points towards these Central Asian (and not European) Indo-Aryan people migrating into India and intermixing with the natives, including Harappan people, to form the hugely diverse population that we have today. And it's not bad or anything. Personally, it feels good to see that although a lot of people in South Asia, Middle East, Central Asia, Eastern Europe and North Africa, now have different cultures, speak different languages, and even look different, but just 5000 years ago, our ancestors were (mostly) those same Central Asian nomads of the Steppe, which connects these different people. So in a way, it unites us humans. You should take it positively this way, rather than scorning it for not "matching your ideology".

[@gouravdey497]

OIT( Out of India Theory) is true. Now we have lots of evidence, which can easily debunks the AIT/AMT theory. 1. Charriot burials are found. 2. Swastika seal found 3. Most importantly Vedic Altars are also found 4. Agriculture originated in India, it is proved, and they migrated outward. 5. Mittani inscription, where vedic god names found.( 1300-1400bc.) 6. Saraswati river dried-up around 1900bc. Even we have Archaeological sites like Kalibangan, Chanhudaro etc. Which flourish besides Saraswati river. 7. Horse remains are also found.

[@amanshukla8758]

@Msvks Yeah, bro. I get how you feel. These people only want to see one side of the argument, and fail to analyse the topic critically and scientifically from both sides, hence they reach on the wrong conclusion.

[@amanshukla8758]

@Msvks Exactly my thoughts, mate! India has had a very long history and such a diverse culture and heritage. I'm a North Indian by the way, and to be honest, mostly the less educated or illiterate people here support the counter-theory. The educated ones here don't support this counter-theory. Still, it hurts me to see that so many people are so blinded by their ideologies that they fail to analyse things rationally and scientifically. Such people just want to "prove" that their culture, language or religion is better than the others. Indeed, they are paranoid that the India's diversity could hamper its unity. But in doing so, they fail to realise that the real beauty and greatness of India lies in the principle of Unity in Diversity. The fact that we remain United as a country even after so many differences is highly remarkable and, as you stated, worth celebrating.

[@amanshukla8758]

@Msvks 😃👍🏻

[@balavenkatesh6388]

Adichanallur was 3000 years old. Has articrafts contain Tamilzhi script.

[@manikandan_ip]

Rakhighari dna results similar to Tamil dna dude. Facts are hidden 😓😓😓. Because it can rewrite the history.

[@adityanarayan3909]

@@manikandan_ip it's not only matching with the tamil dna dude but with majority in the subcontinent. And yes history should be rewritten without any political motives 😊. No facts are hidden by anyone, why many papers are not published is that we cannot make conclusions by just excavating a little, more excavations are needed.

[@utkarshrastogi2482]

You forgot to mention that the person who documents history and who interpret it are different. That later is leftist most of the time especially for India case.

[@vighig1903]

Later is leftist 🤣🤣🤣 What a joke..! Who tried to purposely mislead that Rakhigarhi DNA debunks Aryan migration when in reality it proves Aryan migration? It was right wing media. Who purposely tried to show sinauli chariot as horse drawn when in reality it was bull pulled? It was right wing guys. There are many such cases where the right wing desperately did and want to do misinterpretation of actuall research findings.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

Oh really 😂

[@zehahahha]

Shekhar Gupta at his best....a complex and fairly esoteric issue simplified with few words, an old hindi song and obviously a hint of satire and sarcasm....This is what i subscribed your channel for

[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@zehahahha]

@@babla69420 looking past the facetious ending to your rather late yet timely reply I would let you know that my position on the Aryan invasion/migration theory is that it is a whole lot of bunkum which was concocted by western "scholars" of linguistics and when that couldn't stand the rigors of adequate evidentiary standards they were imminently followed by "scholars" in genetics in the post-modern era. The entire basis of the theory is rooted in deep seated insecurities of the west regarding their insignificance in ancient civilizations, as with everything else they want to hyphenate themselves into significance by usurping it through arguments fueled more by sophistry and creativity rather than science. I would refer you to the book "Aryan Invasion: Myth or Fact?: Uncovering the evidence" which has tried to objectively evaluate all the mental gymnastics that the western scholars have to go through to justify which side of the road between India and Europe came first. I for one am not too bothered who my great great great great great...grand father was since i like to learn my lessons from the wisdom of our mythological texts more than the foolishness of modern archeologists plagued with seeking answers to questions which are banal at best and utterly divisive political tools at worst. Cheers.

[@1981kakhiladi]

shekhar you missed a very vital part of study which shows harrappan skeletons were found found in eastern iran and Turkmenistan which shows harappan were migrating outside india to iran and central asia not otherwise so dr shinde was correct in proposing oit

[@babinjose]

No

[@siddharthsharma7836]

The skeleton were found in Haryana, more over there were site of in afghanistan but that's it and they weren't migrating westwards because no harappan genetic material was found in middle east or in europe, both of whom genetic history had already been discovered. I really don't understand from where do you get such outlandish assertions.

[@rdlongview83]

It seems inclusive and empowering to Indian people IMO, (I'm N European ancestry). I welcome the news that shows the truth above long standing lies and stories that need to fall.

[@JAOM]

Very nicely explained Sir. I have been trying to simplify the "Aryan Vs Dravidian" hot debate by going through a lot of documents, DNA reports, Max Mueller Reports, Baba Saheb Ambedkar's speech and it took me 3 months to write a 13-page script for a video. Then it took me 10 days of editing the script to omit all the "political" themes and I came up with an 8-minute simple video with a simple narrative, which I posted on my KZbin channel. Some liked it and some did not but I tried to skirt all the controversies.

[@adruvitpandit5816]

The real issue is not Aryan Invasion, everyone came from somewhere, the problem is R1A1 haplogroup found in brahmins was not even present in that maternal RNA sample. And thats the problem Brahmins are struggling with. We may have no connection to the oldest civilisation found in India, which is hard to digest for many people, and they are just busy confusing two different topics.

[@harshajitbarman1231]

where did you get that R1a1 is found in Brahman have some sense 😂

[@mja2239]

@harsha A simple Google will bring up the wiki page. It's found more in upper castes than in lower castes

[@gouthamlakinapally2283]

Very informative..thanks

[@ShivamKumar-xs5ic]

I'm more confused after watching this video 🤣

[@sourabhbhattacharya3411]

Who started it? India and Indians has right to respond.

[@adityabhangle7632]

@@AnuragSinha7 Bhaiya.. Scientific documents dikhao jisme "Aryans" ka invasion disapprove kiya hai?

[@aryavedaherbalssameemaryav481]

Loved this episode.....u explained it very well..like u always do

[@sekumar123]

Read this The Horse, the Wheel, and Language How Bronze-Age Riders From the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World (David W. Anthony)

[@teepee431]

Thanks. Very useful commentary.

[@rajendrajagtap2436]

Truth has come out put it in order Mr Shekharji🙏

[@babla69420]

Traditions change, hinduism isnt purely aryan ideology, it was developed mostly under harappan influence. It is like a language, never born but always changing. The hinduism we see today is the result of mixing of then declining mature harappan and then developing aryan culture( which was then codified with writing of rigveda) and the later sub vedas, upnishads and puranas which often go a slightly different direction than vedic one shows the highly dravidian influence. India is a castle with hindu kush, Karakorum, himalyas, and arakan in north and arabian sea, indian ocean and bay of bengal in south which often influenced the indigenous civilizations to go in a self centered isolation, but the heavy influx of migrations continued on due to fertile plains and good monsoon. Three main migrations took place, first 65000 years ago by modern humans straight from africa, 9000 years ago from zagrosian farmers from southern iran and 4000 years ago aryan nomads from southern Kazakhstan ( they had the greatest influence on india which can still be seen in languages and ideologies). And then many minor migrations from other communities like Tibeto-Burman and Austronesian speakers, greeks, jews, huns, shakas, parsis, turks, syrians, Portuguese, french, english and many more. India has been a melting pot for all of its history, and since multiculturalism doesn't always go peacefully, we've had our fair share of violence, which we can learn from and grow. . . Nigga

[@koustavsen5672]

History and politics came together!! You cant separate them

[@bappadityadas5461]

"Aryan Invasion Theory" is a superbly created myth to suit abrahamic preachers and left backed historians...

[@MrAnikethjayanthi]

And you are a moron.

[@IndianArma]

You’re an idiot. Just like a flat earther. It was never an ‘invasion’ but a gradual migration. Confirmed by 115 scientists in peer reviewed studies.

[@AnindyaMitraDigitalStoryteller]

Abraham was a semite not Aryan so your claim doesn't stand

[@MihirMishraMe]

Dear Librandus - India never invaded Italy but still Rahul baba has half Italian DNA.

[@siddharthsharma7836]

See technically Indo-europeans arrived in India around 1500 BC, where as the arrived in europe around 2500 B.C. the similarities between Vedic religion and European pagan religion are enormous. There is no proof of indus people leaving south asia, even till today we don't find genetic footprints of Indus people in europe. Also vedas were written between 1500B.C. to 1000 B.C. putting all this together it is fair to say that Indo-europeans were the people who brought Vedic Culture in India, from Central asia with there language which in the influence of indigenous languages turned into sanskrit. Weather they invaded or migrated is debatable. But Certainly People Indus Valley were far superior both in intellect and techniques then them. If it was not upto 900 years of drought in India the Indus Civilization could have reached uncomparable heights.

[@redwingpharma5492]

Lovely presentation & subject

[@suresh5308]

Instead of finding from where they came, decide where we are goung

[@simaya1000]

On point...

[@Noone-gz8li]

Yeah

[@sambhavraichand2601]

You decide that ...my job is to to find where we came from

[@sekumar123]

They migrated to the South.

[@vamshikrishna9916]

Knowing our history is as important as future..

[@dashingsanchit4348]

Im am amazed how so called aryan tribes only decided to compile vedas after they entered india and not before that when they were in europe its amazing how they instantly get enlightened just after entering in india and not before that some left channels like print still trying to defend ait and confuse indians abt new evidence of oit theory🤣🤣.who ever likes history pls go and listen it from a renowed historian or best read urself and decide we dont need Interpreters like them impose their Narrative and perspective on us

[@abhihamburg]

There were no Aaryans

[@anamelessmonster]

*Nomad people

[@babishak.b3001]

Exactly, someone with sense at last.

[@amgc1978]

The day entire north Indians start to focus on the indigenous south Indians you can begin to cut the clutter. Ref :-- Keezhadi Adichanallur

[@music-arun4926]

CORRECT.

[@mrryan9433]

What if they migrant to North because of some purpose? Indias is not only about North vs South there are many people having different genes exist in India . They also have their own culture, custom.

[@chandrashekarambekar5008]

This video left me with more clutter and confusion.. should this show be named confuse and clutter??. 🤔🤔

[@joputhiyaparambil07]

Mr Gupta likes morning walks.

[@ganeshchidambaram5586]

brilliant work sir!!! not even used a word about the DNA results claiming that the women was dravidian and TAMIL orgin DNA in the whole video.. aryan brains are clever enough to bias ignorant population but was not clever enough to bias science coz science tells ultimate truth.. in tamil they say 'VAAIMAIYE VELLUM" meaning "TRUTH ALONE AND ALWAYS TRIUMPHS"

[@pragsri8377]

Who are Aryans ? I mean North Indians have South Indian dna as well along with others. So we all are South Indians may be got mixed. And also every human being is equal.

[@user-zy8vk2ip8o]

@Randeep Sharma it matters a lot, many south Indians who grew up in the north cannot forvet the bullying they have undergone ... it happens now too ... madrasi is very subtly used as a bad word! Same problem with Guptaji's clan and extended clan of leftists... they will only look at what suits their atory.

[@mrryan9433]

Came out of this dravid vs aryan theory plse

[@mrryan9433]

@@user-zy8vk2ip8o for your kind information People of UP, bihar is also discriminated in the country including South. Many people laugh on north indians because they don't fluent in english and their languages. People use words "bhaiyyes" To harrase them

[@user-zy8vk2ip8o]

@@mrryan9433 hmmm..... people who have been bullied and insulted know how it feels... what is common between all of us is our Gods... we should be focussed on our common past... that should dominate our social discourse. Sadly, we are dominated by the "ulta chashma" serial which pokes fun at south indians.

[@flipflop1758]

Sanskrit came from outside India, most probably from Caucasus mountain and ancient Syria. The refinement of the language did happen in this sub continent.

[@sekumar123]

True. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language How Bronze-Age Riders From the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World (David W. Anthony)

[@deebadubbie]

Excellent summary! Thanks - really clears up the mind!

[@tuhinroy1565]

From Aryan Invasion theory they went to Aryan migration theory just wait for few decades a picnic theory might also come up, this theories survive because the west will never accept that Indian was the mother of all civilizations. I recommend a book "The Rigvedic People" written Dr.B.B.Lal a brilliant insight to these theories.

[@deepakgoyal483]

Meanwhile ISLAM (1400 years old) is feeling like I AM A JOKE TO U😂😂😂😂

[@ZainKhan-hz5kx]

Its a wrong presumption that islam is the religion which strated with prophet mohammad (PBUH) 1400 yrs ago quran refutes it very beautifully...quran says adam noah ibrahim suleiman isaac jesus (PBU them) all were muslims.... islam was made perfect and made pure by removing all man made stuff from previous religion by prophet Mohammad (PBUH) A muslim is not a muslim unless he doesnt belive in adam to jesus that all were his prophets Quran makes it very clear in this verse “The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, “We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers” - and they say, “We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).” (Al-Baqarah 2:285) Allahu akbar...truth always remains and falsehood perishes...love my religion

[@sailendradewan]

Shekharji, you didn't mention the most important finding of the study. The Rakhigarhi skeleton has genes very close to those of Andamanese hunter-gatherers (these people still live in the Andaman islands today such as the Jarawa, Great Andamanese, Jangil, Onge and Sentinelese). The Rakhigarhi skeleton also has pre-agriculture Iranian genes (~87%). Mixing of the ancient hunter-gatherer people with other people, such as those from pre-agriculture Iran and Steppes, happened later to form the present genetic pool of modern Indians.

[@jennyvarshavski3138]

But how did they reach these islands as I don't think they could travel from here to indus

[@Lucifer-dd2nr]

Steppe population only forms 20% of modern day Indians

[@prasadranjan1987]

Wrong info

[@deepaganapathi7111]

Excellent and lightly presented - jayaraman ganapathi

[@tj8053]

Well spoke sir. Unfortunately we have lot of people who twist facts for their selfish goals or agendas.

[@cyrusirani5080]

like some youtubers

[@navintiwari112]

6:46 Vasant Shinde confirmed OIT, but Gupta jee through his "Nehruvian scientific temper" negated the scientist himself and proclaimed: "Reading the study I don't see the evidence that makes him take that leap of faith." Thanks Gupta ji to clarify that you know about the findings of paper better than the author, Vasant Shinde himself...

[@jonik2121]

Didn't u know he is a great Genetic scientist🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@shiblyalrahaman1425]

Did you even read the article or do you just belive the other because he said so? Vasant Shinde did not satisfactorily substantiate his leaping conclusion.

[@deepaksingh3172]

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. India wasn't just Mohanjodaro or Harappan civilisation with vast empty space behind. AIT is bunkum

[@DeependraSingh11]

@@soheil527 1400 yr old mulkahs talking about history! Lol😂

[@FunTalezReaction]

@@soheil527 he him self was not teenager

[@mukeshagrawal577]

SG is so confusing. Can anybody sum it up?

[@extraterrestrial46]

How exciting and amazing would it be if I get to meet that man in Harappa who was my gggggggreat grandfather.

[@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl]

By tracing the genes how does one conclude knowledge came from outside, knowledge has evolved out here over a period of time .... pity the chaps who state civilization was brought in when there is clear literary evidences of the metamorphosis of knowledge evolving in this geography... sad a few calling themselves intellects have been selling with ulterior motives, this as history on us all these years.. there's more evidence of ramayana events than Alexander's Indian conquest which are based purely on Greek literature written 300 years after his comming, whereas one can extrapolate digitally the astronomical data with the dates of written events mentioned in ithicas besides there's lots of regional folklore & traditions along the route ram was said to have traversed before reaching Lanka, even the shallow stonework underneath the Ramsethu connecting the island with the mainland is technically claimed to appear more man made than natural.... there's need for scientific research in the universities... atleast there's need to educate these so called historians not dismiss these as mere as mythology.....

[@DeepakKumar-ny9li]

Dear Krishna kumar, why asking foreigners for proof. Where is your intellect to prove it. Even if it is true, it shows the dirty mindset of our community for not transferring technology to others, except Brahmins as par Manu Samhita. If Brahmins are no knowledge it was not grown. Neither scripted. This is called biasedness and discrimination towards own community by Brahmins. And you feel proud of it. When you have no evidence to prove your ability except Ramayana and Mahabharata, how we will become wishwguru. Simply because you're telling it and you are brahmin. A born super by caste. Very funny. This is the reason India became slave for hundreds of years because Brahmins never wanted all the citizens to prosper. Now playing victim. Again you people are that dirty trick, but will be failed miserably as time is changed.

[@KrishnaKumar-yw8tl]

@@DeepakKumar-ny9li thanks for ur comments.... the issue raised by u of brhamanical sence of superiority had been a serious deterrent for our dharmic wisdom which made genius like gautham buddha , ambedkar's appearance from time to time..... The issues on hand is different, the children's of macaulay education practiced for some time now are septical of indigenous traditions and blindly accepted the western narrative... the new elites with vested interests have taken lies based on obvious biases as gospel truths.... There's so many education institutions run by religious mutts minting money by running proffessional courses who can institute serious studies to through light on the aunthecity of our traditional ithicas which can't be dismissed as mythology

[@XanxViperYT]

@@DeepakKumar-ny9li bro there is no evidence of caste sysytem in any vedas or granth , but yes there was varna system their in which people got that post by their merit . toh ye kehna ki "brahaman ni ye glt kiya aur wo glt kiya" glt cheez hai kyuki brahman ek job tha jo ki koi bhi paa skta tha, please ko bhi statement dene se phele uss chezz ko thik se padh liya kro , kyuki Mahabharat ko likhne wale Maharishi Veyas ek lower caste tha aur Ramayan ko bhi likhne wale Maharishi Valmiki bhi lower caste ke tha

[@reeteshs02]

What seems to have happened is that while people came from outside, the culture was either a mix of Indian original people's culture and the Steppe pastoral people's culture or predominantly an Indian original culture. The reason being that this culture has certain aspects not found anywhere else (Vegetarianism, burning of funeral pyres, the emphasis and deep respect for knowledge, relative non-violence, less social & gender divisions, very well laid out cities etc). We lost a lot of these great aspects and some made us weaker as a nation also (probably specially the emphasis on non-violence), but there is bound to be immense respect for such an advanced culture in such ancient times.

[@deepbanik3992]

I am not sure if this episode decluttered anything, a 'sunday' break for CtC

[@Perumanian]

Sir , what I see from comments, your viewers are more knowledgeable than you think 😀 it is apparent you are the one trying to muddle a scientific conversation!

[@VijayKumarIITSrExecutive]

Were Mughals and British of Indian Origin? As per OIT this maybe the case. This is the ancient migration path of Vedic Hindus: Ahimsak civilized Vedic Hindu from India --> Central Asia (yamnaya, sintashta, Andronovo who were nomadic and violent) + Afghanistan + Iran --> Europe + England. This entire Vedic land was "Bharata". Then logic says these very same people came back and ruled India as Mughals and English! So Indians came back to rule themselves?🤔 Prithvi gol hai bhai, sab moh maya hai!

[@chiragmehta2612]

As a child was thought AIT and it was imposed on kids and now there is credible evidences already there that AIT never happened and it’s not our (Indian) origins. Still our kids are been thought this is schools. Systemic brainwash is still happening at large scale and that’s the reasons we need to know the origins and not for kaun Kiska baap hai. In fact I would appreciate if you can cover the AIT in detail and with honestly (as science is curiosity) for the viewers and let them decide what is the fact.

[@sekumar123]

The Horse, the Wheel, and Language How Bronze-Age Riders From the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World (David W. Anthony)

[@JaspalSingh-hb8em]

No you need to know it was Punjab since ancient times, therefore she was a Punjaban....

[@MultiUttara]

Thank you for the information

[@fullaranag]

It could also be that india had her own civilization, which was enriched by outside input. After all that is how things keep improving. You see, river Ganga plays greater role in our religion and life than Indus and we have our holiest places not in the Indus valley but in the gangetic belt.

[@adityashinde5119]

Heard about Saraswati river from the Vedas?

[@b.l.0427]

Indus nahi Sindh bool shindhu bhi bohot important river hai but AJ hamlogo ka pas nahi hai but Saraswati river

[@fullaranag]

@@b.l.0427 ni. Sindhu is not deemed as holy as River Ganga.

[@b.l.0427]

@@fullaranag not as but it's a holly river but you know Sindh is situated a place where india fought many wars against other power

[@b.l.0427]

@@fullaranag if your current location become full of conflicts and wars you will try to leave this place you will remamber your son might but not your grand son nor his son will remamber

[@mindvoice5534]

In india,Tamilnadu.Excavation under process: *keeladhi கீழடி−excavation under process now.(2600yrs min) **Athichanallur ஆதிச்சநல்லுர்−not started still(3000yrs min) ***Arikamedu அரிக்கமேடு−not started still(more than 3000yrs) *****Kodumanal கொடுமனல்−not started still(more than 3000yrs). once we finish all excavation.lot of people will get heart attack. ******* என் உயிர் மொழி காலம் கடந்த வரலாறு கவிதை தொடங்கிய வரலாறு ஞாலம் வியக்கும் வரலாறு -எம் தமிழ் மொழியின் வரலாறு மாந்த இனத்தின் முதல்மொழி மண்ணில் பிறந்த முதல்மொழி ஏந்தும் இலக்கண முதல்மொழி எழுச்சி இலக்கிய முதல்மொழி சொற்கள் கிடக்கும் சுரங்கமொழி சோதி மிக்கப் புதியமொழி நிற்கும் வளமை நிறைமொழி நீண்ட வரலாற்று பெருமைமொழி

[@sourabhmate1411]

It's ever correcting science. We can only make judgements. There's no final conclusive truth.

[@mrryan9433]

Of course their is civilization because ancient people are doing business/trading with foreigners through sea. India have numerous civilization

[@albertantony3161]

Gr8

[@vmatthews9437]

Shekhar : You could've ended your lecture by proudly saying that " I'm also a Haryanvi ! " ===== Matts'

[@balurasve8097]

I'm surprised when you said , we gave knowledge to the world it means we are the guru since very beginning.

[@sb9060]

Sekhar is praising scientific excavation n analysis of the pre historical era but ignoring the very outcome on that very basis of scientific new data coming out.... he is very much busy in describing the insignificant grasslands at the cost of implications or significance of this archaeological scientific sources of ancient Indian history as a whole... this is an escaping form of journalism from the core scientific outcomes in disguise of everything on earth. This is only possible from a person having background of economics and talking about science but can't extract the scientific essence for lack of objectivity ....

[@rahulchawla6256]

completely agree with you. He is speaking in a similar fashion as left liberls he refering to.

[@mastrammeena328]

@@rahulchawla6256 he does to support Modi policies

[@suripri97]

Agree. Very well distracted.

[@Ladisingh9]

Today ,you are saying us to sing the song NAIN KYA KARO) but you didn’t give the same advice to left in past

[@nrusimha11]

Love the highly abbreviated but accurate description of the science - not an easy thing to do. One small correction of names: Alek-chender fought with Purushottam, Alexander did not fight with Porus.

[@pastafarian3758]

Isn't it Alok chandra fought with Purushottam.?

[@questionsofhistory7989]

There is no genetic evidence that the Aryans did not migrate to North India 4000 years ago. The Aryans came from the Andronovo culture and established the caste system. This is why Brahmins have the highest frequency of steppe DNA.

[@alpeshmittal3779]

I am bit naive to these arguments but has one question and if someone can answer it would appreciate it: if Aryans came from outside of India, why don't they talk about their Homeland or journey in any of the books. There are no talks about great kings who were leading their armies into Bharat. All stories always to talk about as if people were from this land. Second : I feel that southern languages still use very high number of Sanskrit words compared to current northern languages. How do you explain that?

[@ELP1791]

It is the aryan brahmins who are in south who deliberately mixing sanskrit in southern languages .

[@SuperBooboohaha]

We we all belonged to this place who come Dravidian languages are so different in grammar . So called influence on Dravidian language are mostly loan words .

[@himanshukumar-hr9jr]

I read history because it is in Syllabus of UPSC

[@civilcivil6810]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXqZeGiPoZKZeNE ये देखो

[@martinam3241]

Mr.Gupta has not mentioned about the prevalence of steppe gene r1a1 which is not found in the DNA of the Rakhigarhi woman but found 30% + amongst brahmins and other higher caste people. He too plays politics by withholding this information which goes to prove steppe gene presence in India is post IVC and its presence in upper caste people means these upper caste people came from steppes.

[@greaterbharat4175]

Gawar 😂😂 , woman has xx chromosome , and male has xy chromosome ,woman cannot carry xy , r1a1 is y chromosome , also haplogroup R1a is originally Descendants of haplogroup f ( early Indian male haplogroup )

[@vighig1903]

​@@greaterbharat4175 lol First of all R1a is a y-chromosome Haplogroup. Obviously geneticists don’t/can’t find it in a woman’s DNA. What they look for is “Steppe ancestry” They can do so, by checking the Autosomal DNA of the woman. Humans have 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex chromosomes (the X chromosome and the Y chromosome). That’s what they did. They found Steppe ancestry, thus proving Aryan migration.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

​@@vighig1903 so what's the problem now??? Why all this fight not you but the comment section

[@ayushvatsya5688]

Good to know that this gentleman looks at mahabharatha as our itihasa and not myth as is preached by those who feel shamed of our culture.

[@shauryasahu6062]

Baba saheb ambedkar rejected aryan invasion theory

[@sskgrs]

Politics aside, Indians are mostly a mix of hunter-gatherers group that migrated from Africa 70,000 years back, Elamo-Dravidian migration around 7000 years back from southwest Iran (Indus valley people) and the so-called Aryans from the central Asian Steppes around 3500 years back. There were significant mixing early on until the caste system was put in place about 2500 years back. So Indians by and large are in a spectrum with the more light brown skinned people having the central Asian gene on one end of spectrum, the dark-skinned people on the other end of spectrum with more of the original hunter gatherer gene and majority in the middle which is a mix of all 3 types. Right wing politics would try to disprove this in the hope of creating a united nation with indigenous Hindu roots, but the truth is far from that.

[@Agnostic7773]

😂Who said Elamites are black or brown? What is the proof for mix of Elamite and Dravidian?

[@Agnostic7773]

Do you think so called Congress secular party agree to your shit? In that fact Nehru belongs to Central steppe immigrant ancestry

[@kathirko]

Dear Shekhar Gupta, we should speak. DID Vedic culture divided Indian people and set Caste system out in the society. that is more important than .. when is Vedic stuff came in.

[@freetraveller5364]

Well said.

[@munavvarfairuzeks]

It's nice to bring these lenses to see the past

[@suren.chowdary]

Sir, I have a boubt !! I heard Sindhu civilization has toilets, water management system . If a civilization has so much advance knowledge how any can say they are stelppies??? If supposedly it's correct why they built brick Houses??? As you said they are not permanent residents. If Sindhu civilization is the first civilization? How can someone teach already Developed civilization.??? If ARYANS really had VEDIC Civilization if which better than SINDHU civilization. WHERE WAS THE ARYAN civilization before invaded INDIA. They might have built cities more developed in nature. SO uncivilised people came INDIA and thought civilized peopl ??? She maybe HARYANVI, we treat her as INDIAN . JAI HIND

[@advityat]

@msc14111990 Islam is about 1500 years old. The migration they are speaking of is from 2000 years before that. Were you trying to be funny or are genuinely that stupid?

[@nandhakumar9408]

suren Chowdary no no india has multiple language spoke.shes dna look like tamil thiravida people.hehe

[@saravanababu427]

@msc14111990 first read history. that time no Muslim ,no christian and even no Hindu also .that is the truth bro.

[@NitinSharma-yo3xu]

@@saravanababu427 arya are hindu which is starting from birth of first human.

[@sakshiminivlogs]

Right, sindhu civilisation was advanced, had brick houses, toilets in home, proper drainage system, shipping ports as well, evidence of trades are there but sindhu civilisation got perished due to some reasons, some say natural causalities floods, droughts, famine, disease. Aryans theory is about later period.

[@deeproychoudhury6679]

This whole comments section is filled with people who have started arguing about the validity of the Aryan invasion theory. It truly shows us just what kind of a world we are living in today. We are living in a world where crazies on the left think that every great invention has happened because of western civilization. And then there are crazies on the Hindu right who think that everything good that has happened is because of the Vedic civilization. Christian right wingers would say that the West civilised the entire world. Muslim right wingers would say that Islam is the only true way and all the good that has happened in this world has happened because of the Golden Age of Islam during 800-1100 AD. Maybe one day even Buddhists would jump into the fray and start claiming that atomic science would not have existed if the Buddha wasn't born in Nepal. Every culture has this mindset of seeking validation by slapping their own backs and bragging about their so-called achievements. It just seems so depressing that we live in the 21st century and we still do not acknowledge this simple fact that all the progress that the human civilization has made is because of the combined efforts of all cultures and empires that have lived on this planet. No single culture is necessarily superior or inferior to any other culture. It is this supremacist mindset that is responsible for so many problems today. Please everyone. Just calm down. Just for once, think of yourself as a human first and then as a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian or a leftist or a right-winger. And another thing. I am grateful to the entire team of The Print(including Mr. Shekhar Gupta whom I really love) for bringing such non-partisan perspectives on various hot-button topics. God bless The Print. God bless everyone. Love from Kolkata.

[@ajayjojo1024]

If only people could just get this

[@abhishekphand4789]

Agreed. A culture develops in a specific geography and is valid only in it. Imagine celebrating holi with water in Iceland or having Ramazan on North pole where there is no day or night for 6 months. a culture is only valid till it's geography. And as far as Aryan invasion theory goes, even dr Ambedkar declined it.

[@kavisiddu]

@@abhishekphand4789 Ambedkar is not a scientist or expert on language or on history. If we accept that India has seen inward and outward migration on all times and ready to consider everyone as equal citizen of India then there is no issue here. I study history and want to know our past just for the sake of curiosity and not to claim superiority on others. Just wait for few more decades and you may get clear picture about our past.

[@rahulray9983]

@Sushmita Rathore Aryan Invasion Theory has been debunked several times by Historians yet the Left clings onto it to suit their propaganda

[@abhishekphand4789]

@Sushmita Rathore migration if it has happened, happened 3500 years ago while caste systems isn't that old. It came up later.

[@jagadeeswaranr3821]

Scientific truth never divides people...

[@rahulchawla6256]

Niraj Rai, the lead Genetisist of Rakhigarhi, in public claimed that they are working on a ground breaking paper which will be out soon and it will prove the Out of India theory. So lets wait and see.

[@bvshenoy7259]

This may be an interesting article. Please circulate among your friends. *Five waves of Indo-European expansion from the South Asian Urheimat: An Out of India Theory model* by Igor A. Tonoyan-Belyayev, July 2018 Saint-Petersburg, Russia. *Very interesting and a fair analysis* www.academia.edu/36998766/Five_waves_of_Indo-European_expansion_a_preliminary_model_2018_ Namaste.

[@rahulchawla6256]

@@bvshenoy7259 Thanks this one is new to me. I will give it a read. Although, Rigveda do mention about Vedic people migrating out of India in big numbers, so this paper may corroborate with Rigvedic records. I think there is more than enough multi disciplinary evidence in support of Out of India theory. The complete rigvedic chronology, puranic chronology, dating of Mahabharat & Ramayana and Vedic artifacts found in Indus Valley sites all together makes a good case. Srikant Talageri has done an amazing job presentic irrefutable linguistic evidence of the origin of Proto Indo European language in india. As Niraj also said, its only the NON Scholars of India specially in media are the paid propagators of Aryan theory. Otherwise there is no "Certain" evidence of inflow of large migrations or languages.

[@gurnidarsingh2830]

@@rahulchawla6256 I watched Talageri's videos, he made excellent points. His books are also very good in terms of the content.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

It will soon be debunked 😅

[@Ipadsp]

So there was no aryan invasion ? At the maximum migration - why can’t Shekhar Gupta say it ?

[@lateshpatil5307]

Because if you say that makes Indian culture great and make the western overlords and self hating miscreats have an inferiority syndrome.

[@godbless5150]

@@lateshpatil5307 Sanskrit is foreign language of Russian and European languages family. 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHvHd5yBr7GGbqc 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5OQgJ2Xhbtno5o The oldest Sanskrit inscriptions founded in Russia . 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2KsiZuAqtJlnbM 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4m4lmxrmNyErcU 3 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3PPoZKefdqsrKc 4 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eanNfGaMp61qbrs 5 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIOxZZuJqphnabM 6 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHbal4Owlrlng6M

[@aK-dd2kb]

कंगले अपना इलाका छोड़ कर खाने की खोज मे बाहर निकलते हैं, भारत हमेशा से संपन्न और ज्ञान से भरपूर था

[@savitasingh49]

Delusional.

[@vnabarajithan7894]

All over the whole world the historical authors accept & conclude Harappan Mohenjadaro history with the dravidans history except few in India... pathetic...

[@krishanpalsinghmalik9812]

May you kindly provide full reference of journal in question where this study has been published along with the comments of reviewing referees.

[@bharatindian6633]

When history speaks in favour of India: Commies responce "Tau mein kya karoon".... Ab tak poori Indian commie political ideology "Aryan Theory" aur jativaad per hi chal rahi thi.

[@rajeshginka1650]

Well said sir..

[@ROMI-fx1dj]

Aryans were aboriginal Indians who laid foundation of Vedic period in india ..they took their culture and technology from india to Persia and Europe... ! Aryans spread over large region Europe to iran and hindukush mountains to vanarasi ghats

[@greaterbharat4175]

@DARK haplogroup f

[@atacama1000]

@DARK no they're not

[@atacama1000]

@DARK you know nothing about India's genetics.

[@atacama1000]

@DARK they got seperated from India tens of thousands of years ago.

[@andreamessiasgomes7118]

Absolutely not! ​@@greaterbharat4175